#US_Election | Logs for 2020-12-07
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[23:53:43] <c0lo> Just provide physical evidence, not just hearsay.
[23:52:56] <c0lo> Feel free to call whoever you want in court.
[23:52:27] <c0lo> It is however the burden of those CT to prove that their "connected dots" are something else than the result of their minds.
[23:51:26] <c0lo> I wonder how many conspiracy theorists are willing to dox "the woman with the blonde braids".
[23:47:26] <carny> oops silly joe
[23:47:18] <carny> instead he told the press that he had the 'most inclusive voter fraud' team ever
[23:46:46] <carny> you would think that joe biden more than anybody would want to legitimize his victory with a full investigation
[23:46:07] <carny> the fact that there are zero calls to audit the election flaws from the democrat establishment is a key indicator that the corruption goes all the way to the top
[23:45:23] <carny> i wonder how many marxists who are so eager to dox elections observers will call for mr jones to appear in court
[23:44:47] <systemd> ^ 03'MAN IN RED' IDENTIFIED Atlanta State Farm Arena 'Suitcases of Ballots' Ralph Jones
[23:44:46] <carny> https://www.bitchute.com
[23:43:53] <SedBot> <c0lo> carny, video survaillance, yeah? One should be able to find the moment those "suitcases" were placed under the table. How come this "redhanded" info never surfaced with your gatewaypundits?
[23:43:52] <c0lo> s/surfaced/surfaced with your gatewaypundits/
[23:42:47] <c0lo> carny, video survaillance, yeah? One should be able to find the moment those "suitcases" were placed under the table. How come this "redhanded" info never surfaced?
[23:26:40] <carny> the amount and quality of crowd sourced investigations on this election is staggering
[23:26:05] <systemd> ^ 03BREAKING: CROOKED GEORGIA ELECTIONS SUPERVISER Filmed Pulling Out Suitcases of Ballots from Beneath Table IS IDENTIFIED -- IT'S RUBY'S DAUGHTER! (Video)
[23:26:04] <carny> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[23:25:54] <carny> interesting i didn't know they had managed to identify the woman with the blonde braids yet
[23:22:27] <carny> sorry ware county
[23:22:14] <carny> wane county provided the proof that the machines flip in person votes but nothing about mail-in ballots
[23:21:20] <carny> that's how they manipulated the process to ensure that hand recounts would always match (ensure that audits went top down instead of bottom up) but i think we're still missing a piece of the puzzle
[23:19:18] <carny> hmm although in georgia there is the additional wrinkle of the secretary of state's office receiving all the tabulations on election night and ordering the precincts and countis not to do their own reporting
[23:18:10] <carny> i can imagine backdoored software run by an intel org with the budget of the cia being that capable but there are a lot of moving parts to make the ballot stuffing coincide as well
[23:16:06] <carny> unless this hammer system is so accurate and the ballot stuffing operation was so responsive that the two were coordinated perfectly
[23:15:25] <carny> the problem i have with that scenario is that it doesn't explain the 'concidence' of biden's 'margin of victory' being exactly twice the percentage of vote flips done by the impounded dominion machines
[23:14:30] <carny> but it was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of trump support so they had to rely on massive ballot stuffing to make up the difference
[23:14:01] <carny> the analysis that i've heard many times now from most of the folks with expertise in fraud investigation or elections is that they had expected to be able to flip the election to biden with a static algorithm that shaved a set percentage of votes in most precincts
[23:12:43] <systemd> ^ 03Fact check: Biden vote spikes and county recount do not prove Democrats are trying to steal the election in Michigan and Wisconsin
[23:12:42] <c0lo> https://www.reuters.com
[23:11:52] <systemd> ^ 03Trump Renews Ballot ‘Dump’ Conspiracy Theory Claim
[23:11:50] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[23:10:37] <systemd> ^ 03Donald Trump's MASSIVE DUMP REMIX - WTFBRAHH
[23:10:34] <c0lo> Enjoy carny https://www.youtube.com
[23:10:08] <carny> again they weren't even trying to hide their ballot stuffing
[23:09:39] <carny> 138,600k for biden and somewhere near 3,200 for trump in the same spike
[23:09:05] <carny> that is probably the 138,000 ballts dumped in i think michigan
[23:09:02] <pinchy> the machines that count the mail in ballots
[23:08:39] <carny> oh wait you might be talking about the vote dump statistics
[23:08:21] <carny> pinchy: that's what's being said about the 2 hours of secret counting in georgia
[23:08:08] <requerdanos> so, his points were adhered to in previous elections, but broken in this one?
[23:07:41] <carny> the pdf is available online and i linked to one source here
[23:07:38] <c0lo> So, if you want checks and surveillance at each stages, make he laws for the next ellections.
[23:07:18] <carny> most of his points were broken somewhere in this election
[23:06:57] <c0lo> The law system has that nagging bad habit of not being applicable to things that happen before the law came into effect.
[23:06:52] <carny> if you don't trust anything that any republican has ever said in american history maybe you could read former president carter's elections fraud prevention recommendations
[23:06:46] <pinchy> so they said it must have been altered in the database after the fact
[23:06:44] <requerdanos> well, that must be true, if it were alleged.
[23:06:19] <pinchy> i heard from somewhere the machines had counted more than were physically possible according to the machines specs in the time they had
[23:05:59] <carny> only the absence of controls
[23:05:52] <carny> but i reiterate one more time that physical evidence is not necessary to invalidate an election
[23:05:27] <carny> easy to get when they were just printed and trucked to the counting site
[23:04:55] <carny> hard to get in a ballot that's supposed to be folded in 1/4 and put inside 3 envelopes
[23:04:49] <c0lo> And my urine can feel UFOs. Really. You must believe me.
[23:04:30] <carny> oh and lack of creases
[23:04:19] <carny> wrong paper wrong ink wrong printing process
[23:04:04] <carny> one long time elections worker testified that she could *feel* the difference in the fraudulent ballots
[23:03:54] <requerdanos> I mean the president's lawyers couldn't drum up enough suspension of disbelief for "Tucker Carlson" who does literal UFO segments with a straight face
[23:03:38] <carny> again you failed to glean basic facts from these hearings
[23:03:19] <carny> instead it appears that all of the party corruption has strengthened and spread
[23:02:58] <requerdanos> Interesting thing about that expression "red handed" -- it indicated there's physical evidence to make the hands actually change colors
[23:02:46] <carny> you might have thought that stealing iowa from bernie in 2016 was enough to cause some serious introspection and reform
[23:02:12] <c0lo> carny should just learn to face reality instead of connecting imaginary dots.
[23:02:05] <carny> how much treason can their party tolerate?
[23:01:50] <carny> they should also be even more angry that it appears the fraud was coordinated with at least 2 sitting republican officials
[23:01:20] <carny> and they should be very angry about that
[23:01:08] <carny> their leadership tried to steal an election in multiple states and they got caught red handed
[23:00:51] <carny> the left really should just learn to face reality
[23:00:21] <carny> i strongly suspect none of them had even been informed of the tapes' existence 5 minutes prior to the hearing beginning
[22:59:39] <carny> which you would know if you watched the hearing
[22:59:29] <requerdanos> I make no claims about their fatigue status.
[22:59:28] <carny> the observers testified to that effect before they even knew of the tapes' existence
[22:59:09] <carny> furthermore if you want to claim that they simply got tired and went home you also have to explain why they came back 2 hours later
[22:58:46] <requerdanos> Other than allegations to accompany the deceptively presented tape
[22:58:31] <carny> the observers testified to that effect
[22:58:18] <requerdanos> There is, of course, no indication that the observers were expelled.
[22:58:17] <carny> once again there is a broken chain of custody of ballots so the burden of proof is on the defense to show those ballots were genuine and counted accurately
[22:57:48] <carny> even if you could zoom in on the video and show there were proper bureau of elections seals on proper containers it still does not remove the taint of expelling the observers before continuing the count in secret
[22:56:58] <c0lo> I couldn't care less about your care less.
[22:56:46] <requerdanos> *illegal ballot suitcases
[22:56:44] <carny> your opinion just makes it 10,001
[22:56:18] <carny> i couldn't care less if i tried ;]
[22:56:13] <c0lo> Nobody looked and presented the video segment when those crates where placed under those tables. Why is that?
[22:56:05] <carny> the fact that a well oiled machine is able to crank out 10,000 articles claiming it was debunked does not prove anything
[22:55:35] <requerdanos> I gotta say, I am not with you on this one.
[22:55:30] <carny> it was 'debunked' the instant the video was shown to the georgia state senate by a democrat senator who had never even heard of it before
[22:55:02] <systemd> ^ 03Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia
[22:55:01] <c0lo> https://apnews.com
[22:54:59] <carny> it was not investigated
[22:54:33] <requerdanos> I mean, you were telling me that no one would investigate the suitcase thing at all, and come to find out it's been investigated and none of the claims stand under scrutiny, I thought this would make you happy
[22:54:15] <carny> just because the secretary of state hasn't been indicted for fraud or bribery yet does not mean he gets to make surveillance video go away with a press release
[22:53:54] <systemd> ^ 03PolitiFact - No, Georgia election workers didn’t kick out observers and illegally count ‘suitcases’ of ballots
[22:53:54] <c0lo> https://www.politifact.com
[22:53:35] <systemd> ^ 03No, Atlanta Didn’t Count Illegal Ballots In Secret (Or In Suitcases)
[22:53:33] <c0lo> https://www.forbes.com
[22:53:28] <carny> there was no content that i saw that did not come one of those sources
[22:52:58] <carny> i skimmed that article and i think i counted at least 4 individuals quoted who are expected to be guilty of bribery or other corruption charges in this case
[22:52:53] <requerdanos> the irony in you of all people questioning the veracity of a source is mind-blowing, but it's what factcheck is reporting and from where that's significant.
[22:52:13] <carny> i hate to have to pull rank on you here but no serious analyst gives factcheck.org serious credence
[22:51:24] <systemd> ^ 03Video Doesn't Show 'Suitcases' of Illegal Ballots in Georgia - FactCheck.org
[22:51:24] <requerdanos> Oh, the suitcase video! You'll be happy to know they sorted that one out, https://www.factcheck.org
[22:51:22] <carny> once again that means you can't send the republicans home at 2am and continue counting open boxes of ballots
[22:51:04] <carny> you must have observers for the counting and challenging of ballots for a secret ballot election to be fair
[22:50:24] <carny> that means you can't send the republicans home at 2am and continue counting open boxes of ballots
[22:50:22] <c0lo> In a population of 300M, you are bound to find enough liers and delusional people.
[22:50:16] <requerdanos> "swarn affidavidats" are the equivalent of "someone said" - and whatever someone said can be supported, or disproven, or whatever, by evidence.
[22:50:09] <FatPhil> same reason
[22:50:06] <FatPhil> false
[22:49:58] <carny> you must have an unbroken chain of custody of ballots for a secret ballot election to be fair
[22:49:50] <FatPhil> For exactly the same reason Zuzu messed up her logic this morning (my time).
[22:49:40] <carny> hundreds of swarn affidavits demonstrate this did not happen
[22:49:21] <FatPhil> false
[22:49:10] <carny> you must have unbiased observers throughout the process for a secret ballot election to be fair
[22:49:05] <FatPhil> the claimant of the unexpected claim.
[22:48:51] <c0lo> The burden of proof shall forever stay with the claimant
[22:48:42] <Bytram> ciao
[22:48:35] <carny> it's really not that hard to understand
[22:48:33] <FatPhil> that's better
[22:48:27] <FatPhil> No!! There proof! of fraud!
[22:48:21] <FatPhil> Shit, I got that wrong....
[22:48:16] <Bytram> I allege carny is making stuff up
[22:48:05] <requerdanos> I accuse you of being a marxist conspiracist, for example.
[22:48:04] <FatPhil> No!! They're proof! of fraud!
[22:47:44] <requerdanos> Allegations can be supported by evidence, disproved by evidence, or can simply be noise, but by itself an allegation is not evidence of anything except that there was some accusation made by somebody
[22:47:36] <systemd> Russell's teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon - https://en.wikipedia.org's_teapot
[22:47:35] <c0lo> =w Russell's teapot
[22:46:52] <c0lo> carny, GTFO. You can't prove a negative.
[22:46:50] <FatPhil> allegations are not evidence. full stop.
[22:46:46] <requerdanos> Here is the fundamental logical fallacy separating the rational people from the conspiracist people: "Allegations are evidence"
[22:46:20] <Bytram> conspiracytheories--
[22:46:08] <c0lo> One on top of the others, I'm still to understand when the alleged "switch votes to Biden fraud" took place.
[22:46:04] <Bytram> Just need to find 24 more cards... somewhere! Keep looking!
[22:45:55] <carny> this really shouldn't be hard to understand
[22:45:55] <requerdanos> I FOUND IT!!!!!
[22:45:46] <carny> all elections are fraudulent until proven otherwise
[22:45:34] <carny> allegations of fraud are evidence that call into question the integrity of an election
[22:45:12] <FatPhil> requerdanos++ first digit correctly calculated!
[22:45:02] <requerdanos> most people's number of votes is more than one?
[22:44:54] <carny> you really need to learn how elections work
[22:44:40] <carny> requerdanos: wrong
[22:44:38] <Bytram> One of my (surprisingly) most interest college math courses (we started with Calculus 1 and it went on for 6 semesters, plus statistics) was Fundamentals of Mathematics (Senior "gut" courcs) where we stared with Peano(sp?) principles/axioms(?) and derived whole number system, integers, rational numbers, real numbers, and complex numbers, too. Extremely illuminating class!
[22:44:35] <c0lo> After that, the recounts showed ignorable vriations.
[22:43:49] <systemd> ^ 03GA county finds 2,800 votes on memory card not uploaded during tally, election officials say
[22:43:47] <c0lo> https://www.macon.com
[22:42:47] <c0lo> I remember 3 cards with votes discovered at the first recount in GA that were not uploaded into the system - around 2800 votes. Attributable to human error.
[22:41:47] <requerdanos> The number of votes cast by each voter is most often having the first digit "1"
[22:41:01] <Bytram> Kewel!
[22:40:38] <FatPhil> Bytram: from my mathematical background, you really want several orders of magnitude to be involved before Benford starts to become relevant. I studied it deeply with an infinite range of orders of magnitude, where it becomes a perfect fit.
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[22:38:26] <FatPhil> Ah, nope, Azuma mentioned a recount. The one I am thinking of was the "sweep" before ending the first count that discovered a disproportionately pro-biden, but still trump-favouring dump of votes.
[22:38:09] <requerdanos> I am sure there is someone going to say "More votes for Biden is just what you would expect in a totally rigged election, that proves the fraud"
[22:38:02] <c0lo> Ignorable amounts, FatPhil
[22:37:00] <FatPhil> c0lo: there was at least two recounts which gave more votes to Biden, wasn't there?
[22:36:51] <requerdanos> Things that are not evidence: {Allegations|Accusations|A Tweet|A YT Video|An Editorial|Someone's Narrative}
[22:35:50] <carny> has he stayed with that narrative or has he refined it after criticism do you know?
[22:35:12] <FatPhil> Or it means you're a conspiracy theorist who is lining up two things that have no connection with each other, and making claims that are not disprovable.
[22:35:11] <c0lo> Exactly whe the fraud has taken place on those machines? Because there were 3 recounts in GA and the results matched close enough.
[22:35:08] <carny> straight linear vote flipping in closed source software is so crude
[22:34:17] <carny> it means they don't care that much about getting caught and that is a brutal indictment of just how far gone our republic is
[22:34:07] <FatPhil> nah, shiva was never onto anything. He pumped 1 wrong assumption and 2 new degrees of freedom into the data. - from some angle you're going to see something weird. (and viewed from the mirror angle, you get the same weirdness for biden too. case closed)
[22:33:52] <carny> honestly it makes me feel worse that they used such sloppy methods to corrupt the process than if they had done a brilliant job
[22:32:49] <systemd> https://www.dominionvoting.com - Dominion Voting Systems: Home
[22:32:48] <Bytram> =g dominion voting machines
[22:32:21] <c0lo> (gotta love how an Accountant tweet have more sigbificance than the words of elected GOP officials)
[22:32:19] <carny> impounded dominion machines that is but in tneory any system running smartmatic software is similarly suspect
[22:32:02] <FatPhil> That vid doesn't mention Simpson's Paradox, which is remarkable relevant for the "never sum percentages" point Matt makes, and a good way of connecting different bits of how to misuse maths.
[22:31:58] <systemd> ^ 03Benford's law - Wikipedia
[22:31:57] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:31:28] <Bytram> read the Wiki page.
[22:31:28] <carny> what we now know from impounded machines in wisconsin and georgia is that there are votes being flipped algorithmically
[22:31:16] <Bytram> it's a *generalization*, not a guarantee... that things tend too follow such a distribution, not that everything does
[22:31:03] <carny> i suspect he was 'on to something' but didn't visualize it properly
[22:30:33] <FatPhil> yeah, the ones we were ranting about at the time.
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[22:30:15] <carny> do you mean the dr shiva plots?
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[22:29:52] <SoyGuest49133> I never got round to plotting the various things that I had intended (I was lazy and arrogant, I knew they were bullshit claims immediately, and had no immediate audience to prove that too), but plotting the equivalent chart for biden absolutely kills their claims stone dead instantly.
[22:29:46] <Bytram> carny: at it's simplest, ISTM an observation that spacing on a logarithmic basis gives more space to small digits than large. (Think spacing on a slide rule vs on a ruler)
[22:29:40] <carny> but according to benford's law all of those people are guilty of faking their transactions for some mysterious reason
[22:29:10] <carny> if you audit atm transactions in the united states you're going to find an enormous spike that start with 2 and a smaller spike of 3 because stupid and or poor people withdraw $20 every time and smart and or rich drug dealing people withdraw $300 every time
[22:28:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Do these scatter plots reveal fraudulent vote-switching in Michigan? (18:16; 581,443 views; 👍39,848 👎2,783)
[22:28:37] <SoyGuest49133> =yt aokNwKx7gM8
[22:28:25] <systemd> No results
[22:28:25] <SoyGuest49133> =yt aokNwKx7gM8 does a very shallow, but absolutely fatal, debunking of the Shiva loonacy.
[22:28:04] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - There's a sucker born every minute - Wikipedia
[22:28:03] <Bytram> =g there's a sucker born every minute
[22:27:58] <carny> personally i don't place much stock in benford's law in the first place
[22:27:32] <carny> i'm quite sure there are a minimum critical mass of idiots in any political demographic we can identify
[22:26:50] <carny> agreed
[22:26:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Why do Biden's votes not follow Benford's Law? (17:46; 1,833,995 views; 👍80,055 👎6,938)
[22:26:42] <SoyGuest49133> =yt etx0k1nLn78
[22:26:29] <SoyGuest49133> ided to fling that in case it stuck. It didn't.
[22:26:23] <SoyGuest49133> carny: I give the ones that actually reach court some respect, accountability is important, and correct procedures and protocols need to be seen to be done, which sometimes mean they need to be *proved* to be done, rather than just presumed. However, the flappy trumpaloons who fling poo on twitter will apparently fling anything around, and it appears some idiot who had heard of benford's law dec
[22:26:13] <carny> i'd love to see a psych survey where people were shown a photo of ted cruz and 99 pedophiles rapists and serial killers and asked to identify the criminals and guess their crimes
[22:16:56] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[22:16:55] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[22:12:48] <carny> so much for american peace and justice
[22:12:26] <carny> or blowing up each others kids with car bombs
[22:12:00] <carny> the silver lining is that the corrup republicans are going to be stabbing each other in the back
[22:11:07] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[22:11:06] <carny> anyhow this is the impression i'm getting of what we're in store for if the fraud is allowed to stand https://twitter.com
[22:10:16] <carny> ugh stupid web formatting
[22:10:14] <carny> 4
[22:10:11] <carny> 0
[22:10:09] <carny> 0
[22:10:06] <carny> 1
[22:10:04] <carny> They slinked off stage when crowd chanted “Defend Trump”
[22:10:04] <carny> Replying to @robbhurstCPA
[22:10:04] <carny> Dec 6
[22:10:04] <carny> @shadeballsbyX
[22:10:04] <carny> XavierC,LLC
[22:09:39] <carny> and this response
[22:09:28] <carny> 3/3 We have been watching. We will not forget you sat by and did nothing while Georgia burned.
[22:09:25] <carny> Dec 6
[22:09:25] <carny> @robbhurstCPA
[22:09:24] <carny> Robb Hurst, CPA 🐸
[21:09:38] <systemd> Starlink is a satellite internet constellation being constructed by SpaceX providing satellite Internet access. The constellation will consist of thousands - https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:09:37] <Bytram> =w spacex SN9 height
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[20:52:37] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Binford - Wikipedia
[20:52:35] <chromas> =g binford tools
[20:12:00] <Bytram> Neat! TIL today... TYVM!
[20:07:06] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Benford's law - Wikipedia
[20:07:05] <Bytram> =g benford's law
[18:46:15] <carny> fatphil so far i haven't seen any court case or any legislature hearing even mention benford's law just fyi
[18:44:16] <carny> and that necessarily includes all of these georgia republican officials who are saying 'everything was perfect nothing to see here'
[18:43:29] <carny> as he makes clear he was attempting to expose corruption in all parties
[18:43:02] <systemd> ^ 03Garland Favorito: Ware Cty GA Machine Shows Software Programmed to Flip Votes to Biden ( https://www.youtube.com )
[18:42:59] <carny> requerdanos: if you really do care about learning the truth of what happened in the election and you're not just another marxist troll here's the election observer/voter integrity advocate who was not allowed in front of the committee in georgia https://youtube.com
[17:08:28] <SoyGuest49133> Aha, Standup Maths has debunked the Dr. Shiva scatterplot-based proof! of fraud! in michigan. Youtube id aokNwKx7gM8
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[16:49:12] <SoyGuest49133> Ah, I didn't know trumpaloons were flinging around Benford's Law as a proof! of fraud! Use of that's a very easy one to blow out of the water.
[16:15:20] <SoyGuest49133> It's almost as if they have the memory span of pondlife, and just don't remember that they've been bullshitted to 100 times in the last few weeks.
[16:14:53] <SoyGuest49133> What amazes me is that every time there's a new fraud fairytale, the trumpaloons jump up and down with excitement apparently thinking they've finally proved it all, and then instantly ignore them when they're debunked.
[16:11:51] <requerdanos> some people are going to be either crushed, or totally unconvinced, by the evidence revealed by investigation into what happened and how it came out.
[16:10:11] <requerdanos> I don't know enough at this remove to judge whether the observers were good or poor, but have enough information to know that the trumpian accusations were not borne out by evidence.
[16:05:57] <SoyGuest49133> I can vaguely understand seeing a bunch of staff leaving, as their tasks have been completed, and thinking the evening's over. However, you're not a very good observer if you're that much of a sheep.
[16:04:27] <requerdanos> *everybody left!* but "a state election board monitor and investigator from the Secretary of State’s office both returned to watch the counting until its completion."
[15:59:04] <requerdanos> not suitcases, full of not illegal votes, counted in the normal course of work, doesn't have quite the same trumpian ring to it.
[15:57:41] <SoyGuest49133> " seems like a pretty swift "we know you're lying, you know you're lying - give it up now" response.
[15:57:12] <SoyGuest49133> "But you cut the bit where we accepted those perfectly standard ballot boxes an hour earlier!?!?!?
[15:56:24] <requerdanos> investigation into suspected fraud is appropriate; investigation into imagined fraud strikes me the wrong way.
[15:56:13] <SoyGuest49133> However, when you're using selective editing of the camera footage, your efforts should be compared to Sasha Baron Cohen's Rudy clip in Borat 2.
[15:54:36] <SoyGuest49133> Certainly, all procedures should be accountable, and so an investigation into an imagined fraud was fully appropriate.
[15:52:27] <requerdanos> I sheepishly admit that I was not surprised that investigation revealed something other than what trump(ists) claimed.
[15:51:39] <SoyGuest49133> requerdanos: ah, another case of trumpaloon conspiracy theorists making shit up. Now there's a surprise. SUrely the law of averages says that eventually one of their fever dreams will turn out to be true!
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[15:20:34] <systemd> ^ 03Video Doesn't Show 'Suitcases' of Illegal Ballots in Georgia - FactCheck.org
[15:20:33] <requerdanos> I sure am glad they investigated that "Suitcases of Illegal Ballots" video. https://www.factcheck.org
[14:48:12] <Bytram> :^)
[14:47:59] <Bytram> or 10-dimensional chess?
[14:46:08] <c0lo> Look like scortched earth "if I can't have it, neither GOP will"
[14:44:02] <systemd> ^ 03Analysis | The Trailer: What Trump supporters in Georgia believe
[14:43:52] <c0lo> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[14:33:57] <Bytram> Keep practicing and might get... perfect!
[14:31:43] <c0lo> bytram, only the false claims Trump and his team made after the election and they'd be too many for any amateur.
[14:28:39] <Bytram> c0lo: systemd: ^^^ 13,435 so far -- even 1% of that would be 134. And, so far, I have never once heard him own up to making a mistake. Must be nice to be so perfect, right?
[14:26:49] <systemd> https://www.washingtonpost.com - President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over ...
[14:26:48] <Bytram> =g washington post trump how many lies falsehoods
[14:26:45] <systemd> Search failed: HTTP request returned status code 503 ()
[14:26:44] <Bytram> =g washington post trump how many lies falsehoods
[14:26:27] <systemd> https://www.washingtonpost.com - GOP Rep. Kinzinger wages a lonely fight against Trump's ...
[14:26:26] <Bytram> =g washington post trump lies falsehoods
[14:26:23] <Bytram> ???
[14:26:11] <systemd> Search failed: HTTP request returned status code 503 ()
[14:26:11] <Bytram> =g washington post trump lies falsehoods
[14:23:49] <SoyGuest49133> the democracy docket page wasn't bad for the saner side of things, indeed, if a bit JS-laden for my tastes.
[14:22:13] <SoyGuest49133> I just presumed someone would collate the full freak show of claims, there's a lot of nerds out there on the internet.
[14:19:23] <c0lo> As for the absurd claims Trump made public... never wanted to keep track of them and their evolution.
[14:17:52] <systemd> ^ 032020 Post-Election Litigation
[14:17:51] <c0lo> I sorta looked on the https://www.democracydocket.com for some days immediatelly after the election, but then the weather became too floody for the time I had available.
[14:15:11] <systemd> ^ 03Dershowitz explains how Supreme Court could get involved in Georgia election challenge
[14:15:11] <SoyGuest49133> https://www.foxnews.com
[14:10:26] <SoyGuest49133> I know the beeb did a "trumps 10 top fraud claims debunked" article, or something like that, but there are closer to 100 than 10, I'm sure.
[14:09:30] <systemd> ^ 03Why Trump's election fraud claims aren't showing up in his lawsuits challenging the results
[14:09:28] <SoyGuest49133> Has anyone drawn up a list showing the disconnect mentioned here: https://theconversation.com
[14:08:21] <SoyGuest49133> And maybe you (they) could eventually migrate towards democracy!
[14:07:48] <SoyGuest49133> The RINO split potential is certainly interesting. I'd like to see Dims split down a "socialist" divide too. Maybe having 4 parties rather than 2 would be good for the other parties that everyone forgets about.
[14:03:48] <requerdanos> I don't even speak [Any Slavic Language], I just know what sounds the letters make
[14:03:08] <requerdanos> The borat posters hurt my eyes
[13:58:08] <c0lo> But maybe I'm mistaken about the number of vengeful Angry White Men(TM)
[13:56:58] <systemd> ^ 03Search Twitter - #rino ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[13:56:57] <c0lo> Looks like if the breitbarf&the pack can't hurt the smowflakes anymore, they are happy to take the Angry White Men(TM) out of GOP voting base. https://twitter.com
[13:55:57] <SoyGuest49133> Or Voyadt, as the posters say.
[13:55:05] <SoyGuest49133> Don't worry, I rant at Borat posters too.
[13:52:15] <c0lo> (well, I took a chance. Apologies for the pain)
[13:50:56] <c0lo> ... the Special Snowflake(TM) crowd didn't split. The Angry White Men(TM) seems to the point of splintering if not splitting.
[13:50:16] <SoyGuest49133> I can't laugh at 'tyaditphyas', I find it painful to even have in front of my eyes. (not least because there's no 'I' in Russian Cyrillic, the eta-derivative is rendered more eta-like.)
[13:49:50] <c0lo> "This year its the Angry White Men(TM) crowd, rather than the Special Snowflake(TM) crowd." Now that I think of ot, the things are different a bit...
[13:45:19] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[13:45:18] <c0lo> (chuckle) https://twitter.com
[13:43:01] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[13:43:00] <c0lo> Speaking of funny https://twitter.com
[13:42:51] <SoyGuest49133> This year its the Angry White Men(TM) crowd, rather than the Special Snowflake(TM) crowd.
[13:41:55] <SoyGuest49133> The Hillary mob last year was hilarious with their deer-in-headlights stares when the numbers came in. The trumpaloons are just as funny this time round, but in very different ways.
[13:40:30] <SoyGuest49133> response is a bit dumb as well. "you're going to have half of the country uncertain about what just happened and disgruntled going into the future." - erm - just like last time, and the previous time. In such polarised systems, losers rarely understand how or why they lost, and of course they're disgruntled. They just lost. It's kinda natural.
[13:39:56] <c0lo> Creating expectations. Both side are doing it, except that Trump uses twitter, FatPhil.
[13:36:05] <SoyGuest49133> Why do US MSM political pundits know less about the US political system than a damn foreigner?
[13:34:46] <SoyGuest49133> "do you now accept that he's president-elect?" Stephanopoulos asked Braun. Erm, because he won't become president elect until the actual presidential election, which is on 14th!?!??
[13:30:32] <systemd> ^ 03ABC's Stephanopoulos to GOP senator on presidential race: 'Why can't you accept the results?'
[13:30:31] <c0lo> Interesting https://thehill.com
[13:27:33] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Kemp, Lt. Gov. Duncan say no to special session over election, explain why
[13:27:32] <c0lo> https://www.11alive.com
[13:00:14] <Bytram> SoyGuest49133: Thanks for the suggestion... done!
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[11:21:49] <SoyGuest49133> Bytram: I think the topic can be changed now! Soemthing more generic would do.
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[08:32:31] <systemd> ^ 03Activists Begin Registering Young Voters In Preparation For Georgia's Runoff Election
[08:32:30] <c0lo> carny, FYI, be aware that Jan 5 will see 23000 more voters in GA. No, no deads, on the contrary https://www.npr.org
[07:46:29] <systemd> ^ 03The Million MAGA March hashtag has been taken over by images of pancakes
[07:46:28] <c0lo> pancakes, carny? https://www.motherjones.com
[07:44:57] <c0lo> I don't think so, that would be a massive dump that the TikTok crowd wouldn't appreciate. They're not very sympathetic with the trump's crowd.
[07:44:50] <carny> there's a fair bit of jerkiness that might be transformable into dancing with the right ai
[07:44:29] <carny> if you were really good at editing
[07:44:20] <carny> well i guess you could maybe do a music video with the surveillance video as a source?
[07:42:44] <FatPhil> are you saying the evidence will appear on tiktok?
[07:41:03] <c0lo> And I assume the 2nd ex-military guy has material evidence fake ballots were injected, evidence that can be presented to a court? You'd better get the ball rolling soon, clock's ticking.
[07:37:33] <carny> nothing you can do after that point to rescue the election from the taint
[07:37:15] <carny> garbage in garbage out
[07:37:00] <carny> then the 2nd ex-military guy says flat out that fake ballots were injected into the chain of custody
[07:29:24] <systemd> ^ 03The Massive Dump Trump Remix (With SNL Michigan Lady)
[07:29:22] <c0lo> Enjoy, carny https://www.youtube.com
[07:28:32] <c0lo> Weird how three rounds of recounting didn't reveal discrepancies.
[07:27:59] <systemd> ^ 03Fact-checking claims about Fulton County's election
[07:27:58] <c0lo> https://www.11alive.com
[07:27:13] <carny> add her to the list of traitors doing their best to subvert the course of justice
[07:26:41] <carny> so much for her 'debunking'
[07:26:31] <carny> its first airing was in front of that same democrat senator
[07:26:15] <carny> unfortunately for her at the time that video had been acquired from the convention center mere hours before and had been presented to absolutely nobody in the media
[07:25:34] <carny> she said that the surveillance video of the convention center where the observers were sent home and 4 people remained to count hidden suitcases full of ballots was 'debunked'
[07:24:39] <carny> in the georgia hearing the democrat senator who looks suspiciously like one of the ballot counters who showed up in photos during the counting made a slightly inconvenient statement
[07:23:43] <carny> uh oh
[05:07:55] <systemd> ^ 03Raccoon's Are Trying To Steal This Election (BBQ BEER FREEDOM REMIX)
[05:07:53] <c0lo> The explanations are simplier than you think, carny. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com
[04:30:09] <carny> if the ones around here are any useful sample they have already managed to forget the hundreds of thousands of screaming idiots chanting 'not my president' and swearing up and down that vladimir puting himself literally cheated hillary and installed bad orange man as president
[04:28:37] <carny> it might be foreign agitprop but that's unlikely
[04:28:21] <carny> i'm almost completely sure the leftist who made that actually believes their own bs
[04:27:41] <carny> lol
[04:09:55] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[02:55:39] <c0lo> What problem? Undead with brainz eaten by zombies? Stop the vote, count the vote? Frickin' racoons, man.
[02:48:16] <carny> i don't think we even have to watch the video to realize there's a serious problem in our republic
[02:47:43] <systemd> ^ 03Rep. Babin targets dead voters with ‘You must be alive to vote act’
[02:47:42] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[01:06:46] <Runaway1956> Glory is highly overrated.
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