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[06:25:33] <AlwaysNever> USA has nothing but nukes left against Iran: https://www.youtube.com
[06:25:36] <systemd> ^ 0303Russia Just Forced a Massive Shift
[06:28:22] <AlwaysNever> How will it feal in Europe to breath the fumes from nuclear-toxic gasoline burned in our cars?
[06:28:32] <AlwaysNever> It's gonna be a party
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[07:03:52] <chromas> Europe is busy burning itself down
[07:18:49] <AlwaysNever> burning wood is always healty
[07:18:54] <AlwaysNever> *healty
[07:18:59] <AlwaysNever> *healthy
[08:02:45] <janrinok> Ingar, you will recall that I have had problems with your astro images. I have found that if I access the link from you index page ...../media/astonomy the image opens as expected. The quoted links that I see on here have embedded %20 rather than actual spaces and they seem to be part of the problem.
[08:03:51] <janrinok> Just thought that I would mention it :)
[08:05:41] <janrinok> The photo of Brocchi's Cluster is absolutely brilliant. There must be millions of stars in that image and they are each reasonably well defined.
[08:11:38] <chromas> Weird that your irc client doesn't support %20
[08:12:40] <Ingar> janrinok: thanks for the praise :)
[08:12:57] <Ingar> but that %20 issue really looks like something client side
[08:13:19] <Ingar> but I'll 'underscore' the next image for you ;-)
[08:20:47] <halibut> Geez, Ingar. Your images are of space, they take up a lot of space ... isn't that enough space? Do you really need to put spaces in the URLs, too?
[08:22:08] <chromas> Imagine a Librewulf clustre of underscore-connected stars.
[08:24:31] <halibut> I have not seen Brocchi's cluster before. Interesting that in that image, it represents a minority of the stars.
[08:25:18] <halibut> Pretty good color separation on the stars in the asterism. Are the background stars reddish from dust?
[08:28:18] <Ingar> halibut: reddish from dust, and also a bit because of processing
[08:28:47] <Ingar> I kinda found out about that cluster by accident
[08:29:02] <Ingar> someone made a picture of the sky with a smartphone and asked me what that 'faint blob' was
[08:29:12] <halibut> I was about to ask how you chose your targets.
[08:29:37] <halibut> I do not think I have ever browsed your images before. I just found 2026-05-25-Sun-F128.jpg ... beautiful.
[08:29:54] <Ingar> ah that was a good one indeed :)
[08:30:17] <Ingar> stacked image though, not a single shot
[08:30:41] <Ingar> halibut: Brocci's CLuster is fairly easy to find with binoculars btw
[08:30:58] <halibut> If I am reading Wikipedia before, the asterism is about twice as wide as the moon (visually). Is that correct? Seems like it should be more than a faint blob in a smartphone picture.
[08:31:12] <halibut> ... or were they picking up the open cluster to the side of the asterism?
[08:31:42] <Ingar> halibut: I'f IO'm not mistaken, my image is about 3x3 times the size of the moon
[08:31:57] <Ingar> so that estimate seems to be correct for the entire cluster
[08:32:26] <Ingar> the issue is that most of the stuff is very faint
[08:33:00] <halibut> Re 2026-05-08-M51 Whirlpool Galaxy.jpg: I do not think I have ever seen an image of M51 so zoomed out. It looks surprisingly lonely. Nice background galaxies, too.
[08:34:31] <halibut> The stars of the asterism are apparently mag 5 to 7-ish ... I would have thought they would show up as faint specs in a smartphone image, or discrete points if they exposure was longer. Are the background stars the ``faint blob''?
[08:35:29] <Ingar> halibut: I think it was a handheld image
[08:36:59] <halibut> Re 2025-12-26-B33 Horsehead Nebula-full.jpg: I was hoping for a picture of the Flame Nebula. I really like the way the colors are differentiated between that and the background of the Horse Head.
[08:37:41] <halibut> I guess I am not surprised by the handheld image. How did you go from ``faint smudge'' to actually finding it (or finding what it was)?
[08:38:23] <Ingar> I just found that original image, he did actually get those stars
[08:38:36] <Ingar> but iot's on discord, pasting the link won't work
[08:39:10] <Ingar> halibut: once you recognize the general earea of the image, you can check a starchart program ;-)
[08:40:00] <Ingar> imagine someone taking a picture of a city and asking about a particular building.
[08:40:23] <Ingar> you'd probabely recognize a few big ones, but you wouldn't know all the small ones
[08:41:06] <halibut> I realize I am ``picturing'' this wrong. The picture was probably at least 5 degrees wide, wasn't it?
[08:41:45] <Ingar> yeah, those handhelds were pretty wide
[08:41:45] <halibut> Standard cell phone picture ... probably more like 20 degrees?
[08:41:58] <Ingar> and the author told me wat general area it was, so that helped too
[08:42:06] <halibut> I see. That would make even a few distinct stars look a little smudge like at that scale.
[08:44:06] <Ingar> halibut: if you refresh the directory, you should see two files brocci_handheld?.wbp
[08:44:10] <Ingar> *webp
[08:45:37] <Ingar> (if you image a line from Vega to Altiar, brocci is about 2/3rds along the way)
[08:45:41] <Ingar> *Altair
[08:45:46] <Ingar> need more coffee :-D
[08:48:32] <halibut> Wow. That line of stars really looks weird in that. That reminds me of the 38 cluster. Are you familiar with that?
[08:48:52] <Ingar> that doesn't ring a bell
[08:49:20] <Ingar> unless, you mean MEssier 38 ?
[08:49:26] <Ingar> (starfish cluster)
[08:51:27] <halibut> I am trying to find some images of it, but M38 and RCW 38 are all that are coming up. No, it is not those.
[08:52:30] <Ingar> there's a Cr 38 (COllinder 38) that's also a cluster
[08:53:17] <Ingar> oh that's the "37 Cluster" lol
[08:53:18] <halibut> Whoops. Got that wrong. It's the 37 cluster, not 38. NGC 2169. https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:53:20] <systemd> ^ 0303NGC 2169 - Wikipedia
[08:53:37] <Ingar> halibut: well id is designated COllinder 38, but it is called the 37 cluster becasue of appeareance
[08:53:39] <halibut> 38 is one louder.
[08:54:06] <Ingar> halibut: I haven't done that before. That could be something for this winter
[08:54:40] <Ingar> (It's in the constellation Orion)
[08:54:42] <halibut> I think, like the coathanger, it looks much weirder in a larger view with lower exposure.
[08:55:11] <halibut> Yes, I think it's a little ways off the Betegeuse shoulder.
[08:56:09] <Ingar> yeah, North of Betelgeuze in the 'Sword'
[08:56:53] <Ingar> halibut: do you own a telescope, or jsut general interest?
[08:58:29] <halibut> No telescope, but I gotten a few chances to play with them in the past. They are fun.
[09:01:37] <halibut> That is all the time I have for today. Thanks for chatting!
[09:10:09] <Ingar> halibut: yw, thanks for the interest!
[09:30:49] <janrinok> Ingar, the handhelds show very clearly how much better your system is, but for handheld images that are still very good. When you say handheld were you steadying your hand against another fixed object?
[09:37:51] <Ingar> janrinok: I didn't make the handhelds myself
[09:38:50] <Ingar> personally, I use a tripod a lot
[09:39:27] <Ingar> add in a small camping chair and all ready to yell at clouds
[09:52:06] <janrinok> lol