#soylent | Logs for 2026-06-07
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[06:19:00] <chromas2> I think NCommander added in Gopher
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[08:37:03] <janrinok> chromas, is gopher up now? I do not seem to be able to connect to it.
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[10:05:31] <chromas> janrinok: no idea. I don't think I have a gopher client.
[10:06:09] <chromas> I just remember NC thought it was neat and added it. Also he had some amount of nntp integration too also additionally as well
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[10:57:59] <AlwaysNever> having SN available in gopher space would certainly be neat
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[14:36:06] <AlwaysNever> I've booted my old laptop which I used up to 2009, and there I have a RSS-reader with a lot of now-dead blogs...
[14:36:11] <AlwaysNever> time's a bitch
[15:41:22] <chromas> timezones doubly so
[16:44:29] <AlwaysNever> could anyone write son "extended ASCII" character like a Cedilla or an accent, I'd like to check how this X-Chat displays it...
[16:44:37] <AlwaysNever> *write some
[16:47:37] <prg> é
[16:48:25] <fab23> ä ö ü
[16:50:00] <fab23> AlwaysNever: If I remember correctly, X-Chat (or HexChat) you can set some "magic" charset and it will understand iso-latin1 and utf-8 for reading, typing is another story.
[16:55:45] <AlwaysNever> fab23: thanks, this is my old laptop with X-Chat 2.4.1 and kernel 2.4.22 and locale ISO-8859-1 - as expected, those characteres you typed look like giberish.
[16:57:46] <AlwaysNever> I'm firmly of the opinion that Unicode is evil, specially for not being a superset of ISO-8859-1
[17:12:45] <fab23> AlwaysNever: I typed the German umlauts ae, oe and ue, but in UTF-8, of course
[17:13:20] <fab23> AlwaysNever: If I remember correctly it could be set with /charset irc
[17:14:49] <fab23> AlwaysNever: there are also some other evil charsets around, like from old IBM systems, EBDIC or somesuch
[17:16:21] <fab23> still in use, I think, maybe in some banking systems, or passenger flight stuff
[17:20:49] <fab23> ah https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:20:54] <systemd> ^ 0303EBCDIC - Wikipedia
[17:21:12] <fab23> "Sorting EBCDIC puts lowercase letters before uppercase letters and letters before numbers, exactly the opposite of ASCII."
[17:25:55] <AlwaysNever> but EBCDIC don't pretend to be ASCII computeres, they are EBCDIC computers
[17:26:29] <fab23> 🙀
[17:26:53] <AlwaysNever> Unicode pretends to be compatible with ASCII computers
[17:27:35] <fab23> I will write en- and em-dash: – — (-:
[17:31:05] <AlwaysNever> nothing but gibberish in my screen, :-(
[17:32:17] <AlwaysNever> gonna reboot now...
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[19:44:19] <chromas> hm, aren't æ ä ö ü not actually real ascii though?
[19:49:30] <AlwaysNever> those " æ ä ö ü " are not rendering in my side, so they are not ASCII
[19:51:06] <chromas> I saved them with ascii encoding but the editor apparently converts on display. fpos
[19:51:20] <chromas> � � � �
[19:51:38] <chromas> encoding--
[19:51:38] <bender> encoding: -1
[20:06:20] <chromas> � � � �
[20:26:17] <fab23> I do remember, that with 8-bit ASCII we also were able to type ä ö and ü, but now they are typed as UTF-8.