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[01:14:22] <mrpg> MEta has money to build a looong cable thru asia? all that money from people's watching info / behaviour? who pays for that? do ads really make that much money? do businesses really sell that a in this world? hm...
[01:14:56] <mrpg> Do really ads help sell stuff that much? sod off.
[01:16:44] <mrpg> 40.000 km 10.000 millones de dólares. HA.
[01:17:33] <mrpg> Meta ~160.000 millones de dólares en 2024, ads. Google too.
[01:19:00] <mrpg> global ecommence 6 trillones de dólares annually
[01:20:34] <mrpg> I was thinking poor people dont have money to.... but I remembered yes they don't but banks do, so take this preaproved loan.
[01:34:59] <mrpg> https://www.youtube.com
[01:35:14] <mrpg> motley crue
[01:43:42] <halibut> I also do not understand how ads make that much money.
[01:45:00] <halibut> I think it is just really high volume. If a single ad view is worth a hundredth of your smallest monetary denomination, multiply by 100 billion view a month is a billion monetary units.
[01:45:50] <halibut> If you typical ad is for a product worth 10 monetary units, then it only needs to convince 1 / 1000 users to buy the product when they might not have otherwise to make it worthwhile.
[01:46:47] <halibut> Those numbers seem reasonable to me. 1 / 1000 users is practically unnoticeable to me, but in aggregate, it works out.
[01:47:54] <halibut> Say there is a population of 1 billion people using the Internet on a daily basis. You only need ~3 views per person, on average, per day to make 100 billion views in a month.
[01:50:36] <mrpg> Yes, and cost for them is nothing, be it 1 or 100 000 ad impressions
[01:52:05] <halibut> I guess it is sort of the financial equivalent of 0 * infinity. In mathematics, when you have a limit of the product of two functions, one of which trends towards zero, and one of which trends towards infinity, you have to work to figure out if the final limit is 0, infinity, or some finite number.
[01:52:37] <halibut> Here, you have (cost) * (number), where cost is really close to zero, and number is really really large, and it is hard to know without digging into it whether the product ends up near zero, or really big.
[01:53:30] <halibut> Even without digging into it, given the market size of the leaders in the space, I think we can safely assume that it is really big (or they are actually getting their money in other ways ... but the ad thing does seem likely).
[02:11:45] <mrpg> yes, scale is hugmongous
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[08:11:36] <chromas> This systemd is llm-debugged and refactored. Let's see how long it lasts
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[08:13:16] <c0lo> https://phys.org
[08:13:55] <c0lo> =sub https://phys.org +https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/bv6j-q22p
[08:19:41] <chromas> hm
[08:19:59] <chromas> =rehashctl login
[08:19:59] <systemd> k
[08:20:07] <chromas> =sub https://soylentnews.org
[08:20:08] <systemd> chromas, submit failed: 04char 1811 (line 34): mismatched tag: </head> != <link> (opened on line 33)
[08:20:14] <chromas> at least it tried
[08:20:38] <chromas> https://google.com
[08:20:43] <chromas> fpos
[08:21:12] <chromas> time to smack the bots around
[08:22:29] <chromas> at least it doesn't crash :D
[08:28:30] <chromas> http://yahoo.com
[08:28:31] <systemd> ^ 0303Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos; ( https://www.yahoo.com )
[08:28:44] <chromas> maybe google just doesn't have a title
[08:31:12] <janrinok> good morning chromas
[08:31:26] <chromas> g'day janrinok
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[09:58:46] <Ingar> good morning
[10:37:38] <janrinok> good morning Ingar
[10:37:55] <janrinok> sorry for the delay, I was outside playing with my dog.
[10:40:24] <Ingar> np, this is IRC
[10:40:47] <janrinok> how many pianos have you got today?
[10:42:54] <Ingar> I have 3, an upright acoustic with a possible broken frame, an old roland electrical with a note that doesn't work, and a stage piano
[10:43:56] <Ingar> the roland is 25yrs old electronics , so I don't think a repairing it makes sense
[10:44:53] <Ingar> the stage piano plays ok but the speakers suck so I only use it with headphones
[10:45:01] <janrinok> Ah, that explains it. The are entirely different and you cannot use one to repair another.
[10:45:23] <Ingar> indeed
[10:45:24] <janrinok> What sort of music do you prefer to play
[10:45:54] <Ingar> I had a classical music education so I do like playing the bachs and the beethovens and all that
[10:46:21] <Ingar> but I play modern stuff as well
[10:46:33] <Ingar> or jsut some jammin'
[10:46:42] <janrinok> Just for yourself or do you ever perform in public?
[10:47:04] <Ingar> I have performed in public, but it is not something I do regularely
[10:47:29] <Ingar> and I just got out of a slump where I didn't play much for a few years
[10:48:59] <Ingar> I did play on my mom's funeral
[10:49:34] <janrinok> Well done for playing at her funeral! She will have appreciated that. I've got a guitar, banjo, bodhran and assorted tin whistles but I haven't played much for years. I used to play occasionally in pubs and folk clubs but I seem to have left all that behind.
[10:51:40] <Ingar> Every now and then I play my dad's old recorder, but I'm not very good at it ;-)
[10:52:58] <janrinok> I suspect that if I tried to play any of my instruments now I wouldn't be much good at it. I really ought to find some time to practice, but may days already seem full!
[14:11:13] <AlwaysNever> janrinok: my father says: do all you want to do before you retire, after retirement you won't have any free time for anything!
[14:43:46] <janrinok> He is a wise man!
[15:43:46] <AlwaysNever> What if... the geopolitical chaos unleashed by Donaldo Trumpo is just collateral damage of a bigger plan: to keep the US Dollar relevant at a global scale: if chaos is exported, the US $ can keep selling itself as the "shelter currency" of the world - Donaldo Trumpo exports chaos as a "bait" to import global capitals into the US $ Currency.
[15:45:06] <AlwaysNever> That's why Iran is saying that it will only allow petrol tankers to pass Hormuz if they cargo is denomitated in Yuans - the Iranians have seen Donaldo Trumpo's game.
[15:47:02] <AlwaysNever> My forsight is Iran will be nuked
[15:47:31] <AlwaysNever> Therefore a narrative is needed to justify that
[15:51:24] <AlwaysNever> of course the narrative will not make mention of currency hegemony, but of fighting evil and defendind freedom
[17:45:00] <prg> the religious nutjobs are trying to start armageddon so that jesus returns, so nukes would certainly help with that.
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[18:38:19] <janrinok> It seems that the US admin is just realising what a pot of shit they have created for which they do not have any response. Last week when the UK offered to send a carrier Trump responded with a rebuke that it was way too late as the war was over. Now he is suggesting that the UK and others should send vessels. The UK is waiting for a formal request.
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[18:40:01] <janrinok> Trump has also said that Iran has asked for negotiations for peace. Iran has denied this responding we were in negotiations with the US when they attacked us. Why would we want to talk to them now? Seems like a fair point....
[18:49:15] <chromas> ...if true
[18:50:38] <janrinok> I believe it, it is Trump who is now not sure where he is going.
[18:51:07] <AlwaysNever> I'll repeat myself: the USA is unexpectedly finding itself in the bad side of a proxy war.
[18:52:56] <chromas> Unexpectedly?
[18:53:25] <AlwaysNever> The thought the "Iranian excursion" was goind to be Venezuela 2.0...
[18:53:57] <chromas> Proxy war is our 7th biggest export
[18:54:31] <AlwaysNever> Venezuela is a reasonable country, Iran are religious nutjobs ready for martyrdom
[18:55:33] <chromas> Kill 'em all then
[18:55:57] <AlwaysNever> to be in the good side of a proxy war is for your puppet to fight for your interests, to be in the bad side of a proxy war is being the one doing the fighting
[18:57:21] <AlwaysNever> yeah, the USA will have to nuke its way out of this mess, the narrative is going to be intense, and USAid dismantled in such a circumstance of need!
[18:58:23] <chromas> Nuke the entire middle east
[18:59:07] <AlwaysNever> chromas: well, it HAS to be done without killing the pension funds of MAGA voters...
[18:59:48] <chromas> Are their pensions different from anyone else's?
[19:00:11] <chromas> it's all tied to nvidia now. Just keep the ai hype up and all will be okay
[19:02:23] <chromas> Butt don't let the multi-thousand-year Hatfield-Mccoy situation distract you from all the western governments and big tech suddenly jerking each other off at once over internet id
[19:05:05] <AlwaysNever> What a disingenuos thing to say: as if the Middle East somehow has had more wars than Western Europe!
[19:06:06] <fab23> janrinok: Maybe the orange man is a Teselecta, but instead of run by humans, it is run by an hallucinating AI.
[19:06:10] <chromas> I'm sure the Martians and the Sunnenites also have their battles, but nobody was talking about them
[19:07:00] <chromas> fab23: that's why he went all in on nvidia
[19:07:10] <chromas> needs moar compute
[19:07:14] <fab23> chromas: sure
[22:07:26] <c0lo> If Trump nukes anything, Putin will nuke Europe. Because it's "fair game, open season"
[22:13:33] <c0lo> =sub https://www.sciencedaily.com +https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2514628122
[22:15:46] <c0lo> Eff, systemd is unusable.