#soylent | Logs for 2025-12-25
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[00:10:43] <Runaway> Well then - new router is up and running, and all the apparent "lag" that I've experienced is gone. Click a link, and I MIGHT wait for a whole second for it to load.
[00:11:43] <Runaway> I'm hoping, among other things, that I'm no longer disconnected from IRC multiple times per day.
[00:36:48] <AlwaysNever> Runaway: from this IRC I am disconnected about every two days, but I don't know if the problem in on my side or not.
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[01:14:10] <Runaway> That's interesting AlwaysNever
[01:14:58] <Runaway> I've always assumed all the problem was at my end, or at least most of the problem.
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[10:52:55] <Ingar> Runaway1956: you jinxed it
[11:04:47] <AlwaysNever> In GNU's "screen", doing the magic key Ctrl+a twice takes you back to the previous screen session; in BSD's "tmux" the magic key is Ctrl+b, but it looks like the "twice trick" doesn't work - Am I missing something?
[11:09:12] <AlwaysNever> OK, Google's Gemini tells me in tmux I need "Ctrl+b, l", for toggling between the current and last window
[11:09:38] <AlwaysNever> LLM really are search on steroids
[11:10:15] <AlwaysNever> https://gemini.google.com
[11:10:16] <systemd> ^ 03Gemini - direct access to Google AI
[11:10:51] <chromas> LLMs get a lot wrong and make shit up, but so do search results
[11:11:10] <chromas> tmux > screen ;)
[11:11:47] <AlwaysNever> I'm told a lot that tmux > screen ; I'm also told a lot that systemd > sysvinit.
[11:12:19] <chromas> anything's better than sysvinit
[11:12:28] <chromas> even screen
[11:13:32] <AlwaysNever> sysvinit is fun and affords a lot of fascinating shell reading, systemd is boring and you deal with soul crushing INI files
[11:14:16] <chromas> sysvinit doesn't even has shell scripts. that's just all addons
[11:14:37] <AlwaysNever> beautifull addon missing from systemd
[11:15:01] <chromas> just make a systemd unit that starts a shell script to start other shell scripts :D
[11:15:33] <chromas> they used to have it. not sure if sysv support is still there.
[11:15:47] <AlwaysNever> I would have to surrender my soul to dealing with INI files, I thought that was left behind with Windows 3.1
[11:16:16] <chromas> ah, you prefer OUTI files
[11:17:00] <chromas> I tried void for a bit. it's got runit
[11:17:21] <chromas> plus you can use musl instead of gnu bloat
[11:18:45] <AlwaysNever> I don't consider GNU to be bloat, but they certainly have done their share of bad choices...
[11:19:24] <AlwaysNever> like their system daemon manager "shepherd" in a weird language, and their libc deprecating utmp/wtmp
[11:19:51] <chromas> I wonder why nobody ever picked up shepherd
[11:21:49] <chromas> maybe if they rewrote it in rust
[11:22:31] <AlwaysNever> it's done in the Guile dialect of Scheme, a no-go for a low level system dependency