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[07:19:01] <Ingar> Site is alive.
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[09:36:18] <c0lo> dead is alive
[09:37:49] <janrinok> mornin' c0lo
[09:38:07] <janrinok> or evenin' for you I suppose
[09:38:21] <c0lo> mornin' to you, janrinok
[09:39:11] <c0lo> AEST is currently GMT+11
[09:39:51] <c0lo> 20:40 around here, yes.
[09:39:52] <janrinok> so 21:40'ish for you?
[09:40:34] <janrinok> miscalculate my CET,GMT and AEST
[09:41:00] <janrinok> any plans for the weekend?
[09:41:55] <c0lo> Half of it is gone, not to much time to make plans. I'll try tomorrow to make the cabinet for the table saw.
[09:42:27] <c0lo> 39C today, tho'. I'll see if it will be cooler tomorrow.
[09:43:06] <c0lo> If not, readin' S/N and wasting time inside.
[09:43:09] <c0lo> You?
[09:43:11] <janrinok> I didn't know that you were into carpentry too. I don't do much in Winter as it is v. cold in my workshop. fliptop has quite a good carpentry business going though.
[09:43:55] <janrinok> I'm working on some software - and I have a bit of the routine stuff to do on the site too. Other than that, no special plans.
[09:48:25] <c0lo> I'm in too many things, never got enough determination to get them at a higher level.
[09:48:50] <c0lo> Smells like retirement ahead, tho', I need to get ready.
[09:49:51] <c0lo> Which is weird, there are some good years 'til then and the COVID last year damaged my smelling sense.
[09:50:20] <janrinok> has it affected your sense of taste - the are often connected?
[09:50:29] <janrinok> *they are
[09:51:24] <c0lo> A bit, yes. I see my spice jars emptying a bit quicker.
[09:52:25] <janrinok> That is unfortunate - I enjoy my spicy food and French prefer their food to be more bland, tasty but not exciting.
[09:54:09] <Ingar> c0lo: are you in the desert?
[09:54:31] <c0lo> 'twas worse 2-3mo ago, it started to come back.
[09:55:38] <c0lo> Ingar, the blizzard in Melbourne comes for the north-west. Guess what's there?
[09:56:06] <c0lo> s/comes for/comes from/
[09:59:08] <c0lo> I just looked on the weather forecast for tomorrow. 22C over night, cool change in the morning, 24C max tomorrow, a sprinkle of chances for some rain.
[10:00:06] <janrinok> that looks a bit more comfortable for me - probably too cool for you?
[10:00:52] <c0lo> It's a good temp range for sleep.
[10:02:46] <janrinok> I'd prefer around 18C but I can understand the difference in normal ambient temperatures
[10:03:09] <c0lo> I'm allowed to start making noises at 9AM tomorrow, 't's weekend. I need to start putting that cabinet together, has been about 4w since I suspended to work on it on various pretexts.
[10:03:16] <janrinok> Your temps are good for daytime here
[10:04:12] <Ingar> c0lo: just curious ;-) it's about 2C here :D
[10:04:20] <c0lo> 18C is like max temp at winter time. Having frost once in a decade or so.
[10:04:51] <Ingar> that's like a nice late spring day here
[10:05:10] <c0lo> 2C is usually the minimum at winter tome in Melb. If I want snow, I need to go on the mountain side.
[10:05:46] <Ingar> we don't get that much snow here, but I don't recommend it
[10:05:54] <Ingar> it's so white and cold
[10:05:57] <c0lo> Dirty melting snow, Ingar? Or are you past it?
[10:06:20] <Ingar> c0lo: we're past the thaw, last week was actually quite nice, but temps dropped again
[10:06:39] <Ingar> we're in the swing zone between the cold north and the warm south
[10:06:56] <janrinok> it has just started a mix of rain and hail here. I'll cross off gardening from today's tasks...
[10:07:29] <c0lo> Ah, so you're closer to the Gulfstream, right?
[10:07:42] <c0lo> s/closer/close/
[10:07:48] <janrinok> I'm on the N French coast
[10:08:08] <Ingar> "march showers" and "april whims"
[10:08:26] <Ingar> c0lo: I'm a few 100km north of jan
[10:09:23] <c0lo> Yeah, figures. East Europe is a bit harsher. Or was while I was living there.
[10:09:38] <janrinok> It still is!
[10:09:51] <Ingar> but it might clear out in the second half of the night
[10:10:09] <Ingar> should do moonshots
[10:10:36] <c0lo> Netherlands, Ingar?
[10:10:48] <Ingar> c0lo: almost, belgium
[10:12:14] <janrinok> ... but we don't hold that against him
[10:12:53] <c0lo> Fleming or Walloon, if you don;t mind me asking?
[10:13:09] <Ingar> Flemish, np
[10:13:33] * janrinok likes c0lo's style. No mucking about there....
[10:13:36] <Ingar> I do speak french though
[10:14:15] <Ingar> I just don't like writing it ;)
[10:14:31] <janrinok> Even the French don't like writing it
[10:15:39] <c0lo> yeah, it's how I remember it.
[10:16:01] <c0lo> Not that English is a lot more logical.
[10:16:14] <Ingar> no but it needs less keys
[10:16:46] <c0lo> Ah, the various accents, yes.
[10:18:33] <c0lo> janrinok, what proglang is eating your weekend?
[10:20:29] <janrinok> I have been using Python for a long time now but I am switching to Go. It is much more interesting and far better for the type of software that I am having to write.
[10:21:41] <c0lo> (I sorta got very tired of programming. The "do something you like and you'll never work" turned the most delusional statement I heard in my life)
[10:22:07] <janrinok> The flagging of spam requires a whole set of interface routines for admins/editors to use. So I am having to write the routines to do that which must interface with the soylent db, and then produce HTML web pages for presentation.
[10:23:31] <c0lo> Ewwww... my condolences, janrinok, for your soul ;)
[10:23:32] <janrinok> I have rarely written anything for web displays so that means I am really looking at HTML, CSS, Bootstrap and a host of other technologies which are new to me.
[10:24:48] <janrinok> It could all be done in Python but Go is much faster and therefore more responsive.
[10:27:39] <c0lo> When I needed JS, I sorta had a pleasant affair with Vue.js - she promised to be less opinionated and kept her promise.
[10:27:56] <c0lo> In any case, JS is promiscuous.
[10:29:16] <janrinok> much of the CSS and js is hidden from me in Bootstrap so I can get a reasonable display very quickly and start trying out ideas for how we will actually manage the data. It looks a simple concept but there are lots of potential gotchas and corner cases.
[10:31:32] <c0lo> The road from MVP to production quality is harsh and long, I know.
[10:31:48] <c0lo> It's always so.
[10:33:02] <janrinok> I am learning a lot (or at least I hope that I am learning!) but the apparent slow progress is frustrating as you say.
[10:34:44] <c0lo> And when you finally patched here and there and everywhere for all corner cases, you feel the urge to throw away everything and start from scratch, with the illusion it will turn better. It seldom does, so chances are you are better if you resist the temptation.
[10:35:00] <janrinok> Noted :)
[10:35:35] <c0lo> The best quality of a software that works is that it works.
[10:35:54] <janrinok> lol! I can't argue with that...
[10:43:48] <Ingar> It's a general principle
[10:43:54] <Ingar> The best computer is the one that works
[10:44:03] <Ingar> The best camera is the one you have with you
[10:44:14] <Ingar> The best telescope is the one you are using :)
[10:44:39] <Ingar> been more into using stuff than tinkering with stuff
[10:48:44] <c0lo> True, Ingar, but there's a implicit nuance in there that, for makers/tinkerers, transforms the principle into its "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" conjugate.
[10:50:09] <Ingar> Soylent Wisdom at its finest
[10:51:01] <janrinok> this is why I like this site!
[10:52:09] <c0lo> Not quite Soylent, it's more sharing from (my) softeng experience - others are free to disagree.
[10:52:46] <c0lo> If it's one off, make it work and never fix its guts.
[10:52:53] <janrinok> The site is people - and we have far more of the good ones than the bad ones
[10:53:54] <janrinok> Unfortunately, what I am writing will have to eventually become part of the rehash repo and so must be maintainable in the future.
[10:55:02] <c0lo> Comment it copiously, make it work and forget about it until you need to come back to it.
[10:56:19] <c0lo> Especially if you're doing work from the position of a greenhorn in specific tech stacks/frameworks.
[10:57:31] <janrinok> again, noted!
[10:58:11] <c0lo> 👍
[10:59:23] <janrinok> Time for me to prepare my lunch! laters guys
[10:59:31] <c0lo> Enjoy.
[10:59:45] <janrinok> it is eating - I always enjoy eating!
[11:02:03] <c0lo> Huh, 10PM, I think it's a good time to make a bread dough and let it rise in the fridge for tomorrow.
[11:03:03] <c0lo> (best acquisition in 2024 - a Bosch oven with steam feature)
[11:04:24] <Ingar> interesting
[11:36:35] <c0lo> I like crusty bread. Hard to find here, and the artisan bakers ask for a pint of blood from the first born for every loaf you try to buy from them.
[11:37:19] <c0lo> COVID lockdowns was a good opportunity for me to get into bread making.
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[12:05:00] <c0lo> Speaking on interesting https://www.youtube.com
[12:05:03] <systemd> ^ 03Science Can't Explain This Woman's Superpower
[12:06:26] <pinkerton> =sub https://arstechnica.com
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[12:07:34] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
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[16:58:01] <drussell> I saw my first cyber "truck" yesteday in real life... It was on the back of a tow truck headed down the mountain in the opposite direction I was going...
[16:58:04] <drussell> Gave me a chuckle
[16:58:39] <drussell> First one I see is broken. Seems fitting! haha
[16:59:11] <drussell> Somebody probably tried driving it in the snow or through a pudddle or something.
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[17:08:16] <janrinok> what, you think somebody actually bought one to drive? What a ridiculous idea!
[17:15:45] <fab23> they may be useful in some places :) https://www.reddit.com
[17:15:47] <systemd> ^ 03Reddit - Heart of the internet
[17:16:18] <drussell> LOL
[17:18:00] <drussell> Talking heads on "news" are blabbing about how Tesla stock has lost half its value from the lofty highs, but failing to mention that it's still overvalued 10x to 20x when you actually compute the value of a car company
[17:19:03] <drussell> Like, simplistically, Ford's P/E ratio is 6, Tesla is still over 100 after halving in value
[17:19:31] <drussell> The current valuation apparently assumes that it is going to replace the entire auto industry worldwide.
[17:19:45] <drussell> That ain't going to happen with the Chinese learning how to build cars.
[17:21:50] <drussell> The current market cap is still over 800B while actual business analysis says it should be worth about 80B, BEFORE the recent worldwide sales decliens of about 75%
[17:22:15] <drussell> I hope it goes down in flames, killed by its own "ambassador" musk
[17:23:53] <drussell> I also don't think NVIDIA should be worth more than about 1/4 what it is... Surely eventually this AI bubble will go pop?!
[17:25:00] <fab23> stock market and real life are to separate things, don't mix them :)
[17:25:25] <drussell> They're linked, though :)
[17:25:39] <drussell> There's often a bit of a delay, of course... haha
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[22:00:08] <petain> =sub Trump appoints self as President of Colombia University https://www.thestar.com
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