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[03:06:13] <chromas> We know llms are full of shit except when they agree with us
[03:42:29] <c0lo> not a good time to be an elon
[03:42:30] <c0lo> 2nd starship gone fireworks, tesla stock losing 5%+ in a day and his AI is bullshiting Trump in a non-flattering way
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[06:10:30] <duke> LLMs are much like chromas in that regard!
[06:13:05] <duke> =sub https://www.eff.org
[06:13:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Trump Calls on Congress to Pass the “Take It Down” Act" (21p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:16:27] <duke> =sub https://www.euronews.com
[06:16:28] <systemd> duke, 04submit failed: Parse failed
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[06:16:50] <duke> =sub https://www.euronews.com
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[06:30:54] <duke> wgy
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[06:33:22] <chromas> gotta ban all the ips
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[06:34:08] <duke> why
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[12:31:19] <c0lo> =submit https://thehill.com
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[12:47:53] <c0lo> =submit https://www.nbcnews.com
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[13:47:22] <c0lo> =submit https://www.npr.org merge with prev
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[18:31:57] <duke> someone has vhosted me? cute.
[18:32:07] <duke> Also, wrong.
[18:32:56] <notk0lie> who are you then?
[18:33:28] <duke> I am duke. Bow before me, and tremble.
[18:33:45] <notk0lie> k, whats your user # on sn
[18:34:23] <duke> Pure AC, used to have an account, but got tired of all the damn censorship.
[18:34:37] <notk0lie> so what account was that?
[18:36:03] <duke> Doxing is against the rules, notrk0lie!
[18:36:22] <notk0lie> Ok?
[18:36:27] <notk0lie> What's that have to do with what I asked.
[18:36:39] <notk0lie> Answer the question or stop claiming random weird unsubstantiated shit.
[18:36:47] <notk0lie> Anything else is pointless.
[18:37:06] <duke> Get my old nick, get he email addy, get my credit card number, we all know the routine.
[18:37:37] <notk0lie> What routine?
[18:37:49] <notk0lie> I've never pulled anyones email address or credit card information.
[18:38:06] <notk0lie> I don't even know how getting your email would give me your credit card number.
[18:38:16] <duke> The janrinok routine! Deny, delay, defuse.
[18:38:19] <notk0lie> More unsubstantiated shit.
[18:38:24] <notk0lie> I'm not janrinok
[18:38:52] <duke> I have no evidence of that. Are you a bot?
[18:39:32] <notk0lie> Well I'm identified as kolie despite the nick name currently.
[18:39:52] <notk0lie> And I think you have a pretty good indication we are not the same person.
[18:40:17] <duke> So you are sockpuppeting?
[18:40:31] <notk0lie> So, as much as anything in this life, I think you would trust I am not janrinok, given that kolie and janrinok are almost certainly seperate people.
[18:42:02] <notk0lie> you also claim censorship and to not be certain people, but you have done very little to identify said censorship, or substantiate in any way that you are being censored or that you are anyone else other than what you claim not to be.
[18:42:14] <notk0lie> I have never sock puppeted.
[18:42:53] <notk0lie> But I've never really had the need or desire too I suppse.
[18:43:05] <duke> Are you kolie, or notk0lie? Can only really be one.
[18:43:16] <notk0lie> in this case, they are the same.
[18:43:45] <duke> What is a sockpuppet, but one person with two usernames?
[18:44:14] <notk0lie> I suspect that almost certainly you are the individual that comes in here regularly claimning not to be arisarchus, and perhaps you aren't actually aristarchus, but you are the same individual that comes here and does this bit.
[18:44:38] <duke> Take a look at McGrew's journal on Musk and wikipedia. Disaster.
[18:44:49] <notk0lie> Ok well I use vanity names on IRC, but they are all under identified accoutns and clearly a play on my real id.
[18:45:15] <duke> Just because chromas tags someone, that is not a false identification on their part.
[18:45:42] <notk0lie> I know your the individual that comes and here and get's tagged a lot.
[18:45:53] <notk0lie> And that despite the many names, it's the same individual.
[18:46:23] <duke> _you're_ identification by typos, another well known janrinok technique.
[18:46:25] <notk0lie> Rightfully or wrongly associated to be aristarchus, I couldn't care on that part.
[18:46:38] <notk0lie> The difference is I'm not trying to hide or care.
[18:46:53] <notk0lie> See, I have great sec ops if I need to lie and deceive.
[18:47:01] <notk0lie> I just don't give a fuck too.
[18:47:12] <notk0lie> Because unlike you, I don't have these kind of agendas.
[18:47:27] <duke> The alleged aristarchus no longer posts. But the effects of his banning remain.
[18:47:36] <notk0lie> Cool.
[18:47:55] <notk0lie> And the effects are that your shit posts get removed I suppose?
[18:48:24] <notk0lie> Let's review some of these winning comments in journal 18896
[18:48:36] <notk0lie> These are yours?
[18:48:45] <duke> More that the quality of submissions and discussions has really fallen off.
[18:49:23] <notk0lie> The two are not related.
[18:49:45] <notk0lie> Submissions and discussions take participants.
[18:49:50] <notk0lie> If people don't want to participate fine,.
[18:50:59] <duke> Censorship, oh, what did the neckbeards used to say? The internet treats censorship as network damage, and routes around it. Participants have been driven away by censorship.
[18:51:20] <notk0lie> I don't see evidence of censorship.
[18:51:38] <notk0lie> Where is yours?
[18:51:43] <duke> And you are not janrinok? Sure . . . .
[18:51:58] <notk0lie> I'm just waiting for you to substantiate really anything you say.
[18:52:09] <notk0lie> You claim censorship. Ok. Cool.
[18:52:17] <notk0lie> Interested in that if it occurs.
[18:52:34] <duke> Obvious rebuttal, as one soylentil likes to say.
[18:53:13] <notk0lie> Perhaps its obvious to you?
[18:53:25] <notk0lie> Because you already have your own experience and indications which you are no tsharing.
[18:55:31] <duke> Distinguish yourself from janrinok, complete the flagging protocol so that deletions can be reviewed by the community.
[18:56:06] <notk0lie> Which would you like reviewed.
[18:56:15] <notk0lie> I'm looking at them right now.
[18:56:35] <notk0lie> Tell me which of your fine posts deserve further scrutiny.
[18:56:49] <notk0lie> I am happy to disclose the exact text of any of your censorships.
[18:57:36] <duke> not to me, community, what do you have to hide?
[18:57:45] <notk0lie> Nothing, I will show them right here idgaf.
[18:57:49] <notk0lie> Give me a cid, lets do this.
[18:58:35] <duke> I cannot see any of the deleted comments, as is janrinok's intention, and I did not make any of them.
[18:59:18] <notk0lie> | 1388317 | <p>Discrepancy in comment count. Showing 28, but then it is 64, so the difference have been deleted? That is an excessive amount, and suggests censorship that is loosing the bottle. </p>
[18:59:26] <notk0lie> | 1388322 | <p>** This comment has been flagged for extrajudicial censoring. **</p>
[18:59:37] <notk0lie> | 1388328 | <p>Comment count discrepency: initial count 30, going to journal shows 70, so 40 comment have been deleted? And all the **Flagged** comments are not among them? This is serious rate of deletion! Heavy handed censorship! This comment is being flagged for deletion, as we speak. </p>
[18:59:47] <notk0lie> | 1388333 | <p>Comment count discrepancy: previous comment flagged and deleted, but if you pay attention, you will notice that comment counts for this journal entry are about 30 ab initio, but when you get inside, are over 70. This means that some 40 comments have been deleted. Over half of the comments on SoylentNews are not acceptable to our Head Censor, and so are removed. The SoylentNews you are seeing is not the real
[18:59:47] <notk0lie> SoylentNews, it is the carefully curated propagana machine of a certain madman from Normandy. May the Goddess have mercy on our souls. </p> |
[19:00:02] <notk0lie> | 1388430 | <p>**Flagging deletions. 30/82 comments remain, and most of those are flags.**</p>
[19:00:10] <notk0lie> All posts from the same person.
[19:00:43] <duke> You have over 250 to choose from, some are sure to be stinkers, but the deletion count if off topic? Janrinok reasoning.
[19:00:54] <notk0lie> | 1390602 | <p>36/199! We are on the verge of 200 comments! I can bearly wate! janrinok must be sooo proud. A journal of nothing.</p> |
[19:00:56] <notk0lie> Give me a cid
[19:01:04] <notk0lie> What one?
[19:01:09] <notk0lie> take your pick.
[19:01:52] <duke> You have the admin privilege, I cannot see any of them. Your call.
[19:02:17] <notk0lie> Well you are claiming im cherry picking.
[19:02:34] <notk0lie> My answer to that is to pick one, im looking at them this is what I'm seeing.
[19:02:41] <duke> No, you are admitting you are cherry picking.
[19:02:51] <notk0lie> I went into that journal, chose a cid, checked it
[19:02:54] <notk0lie> those are the ones i got.
[19:03:03] <notk0lie> I randomly reviewed a few.
[19:03:41] <duke> This is the "review" part of "flagged for review"?
[19:03:55] <notk0lie> This is A review.
[19:04:27] <duke> No previous review? Just a euphemism for comment deletion and censorship?
[19:05:11] <notk0lie> What I am seeing, and all I have seen, when ever I have looked, is that one user, is being flagged for spam, according to the rules of the website.
[19:05:32] <notk0lie> If you are claiming that there is more censorship going on then that - I have seen 0 evidence to support it.
[19:05:59] <duke> Ah, the old TMB spam definition! Still useful! s/then/than
[19:06:04] <notk0lie> I do see that one user, one that is suspected of being aristarchus, is constantly being removed from the site, per decisions made according to site policy and judgements on that policy.
[19:07:08] <duke> Perhaps you should kick me, to reinforce the perception that SN will brook no discussions of deletion policy.
[19:07:19] <notk0lie> No one has supplied any hints, evidence, or substantiation that there has been anything else other then that, and despite my best efforts to seek additional information or conclusions, I can only support the one.
[19:07:55] <notk0lie> IF someone did have direct evidence or could support that claim, I'm all ears.
[19:08:12] <notk0lie> Any hint or anything other then what I already see would be most helpful for me to form another conclusion.
[19:08:24] <duke> Has anyone reviewed all the flagged comments? anyone?
[19:08:31] <notk0lie> I have.
[19:08:58] <notk0lie> The person flagging them has also reviewed them. Others are able to, I am not sure what others have or haven't done.
[19:09:02] <duke> ALL? That is why you are able to cherrypick?
[19:09:15] <notk0lie> You made a claim about the journal.
[19:09:27] <notk0lie> anything that has been flagged under the new policy, I have personally seen though.
[19:09:37] <duke> Statistical likelihood.
[19:09:39] <notk0lie> I rereviewed the journal posts at random to see if there was any thing unusual.
[19:09:53] <notk0lie> I don't typically scan an entire journals worth of comments, I scan them as they get flagged.
[19:10:03] <notk0lie> In aggregate, the ones I randomly picked where the usual.
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[19:21:59] <notk0lie> Man he almost always said something useful but the. Fails
[22:31:34] <notk0lie> So upon review of the data - I have once again concluded that - "I do see that one user, one that is suspected of being aristarchus, is constantly being removed from the site, per decisions made according to site policy and judgements on that policy" and that " despite my best efforts to seek additional information or conclusions, I can only support the one."
[22:32:21] <notk0lie> He's trying to stir up the pot, and he does post a lot, and make a great big deal about "censorship" but the only censorship happening is the removal of posts in concordence with the prior rulings about how to handle spam posts / posts from this user.
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[23:28:48] <jack> Pot::kettle; kolie::black
[23:28:57] <notk0lie> what up buddy.
[23:31:11] <notk0lie> come to tell me about those censorships yet?
[23:31:32] <notk0lie> I keep looking and all things point to the one person supposedly to be ari.
[23:31:47] <jack> you were harsh with duke.
[23:31:52] <notk0lie> not looking good lil buddy, I could use some insight into how there is more censorship I'm missing.
[23:32:09] <notk0lie> I wasn't harsh at all.
[23:32:20] <jack> no redemption.
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[23:32:33] <notk0lie> Show me the harsh words.
[23:33:01] <notk0lie> More baseless accusations and misdirection, that's all I'm getting from duke/jack/the void.
[23:33:13] <notk0lie> Light of facts, heavy on fud.