#soylent | Logs for 2024-02-09

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[03:18:44] <drussell> Ari submit whatnow?!
[03:19:08] <drussell> Blurp, blech, bleep, bloop?! LOL! :)
[03:19:33] <drussell> What a mroon!!
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[08:19:05] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:19:05] <chromas> ^ Bee Gees - Doin' Your Mom
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[08:29:05] <janrinok> and then the Cranberries' version too. epic.
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[17:36:18] <Ingar> chromas: my mom likes the beegees
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[20:35:33] <chromas> =yt deegees
[20:35:34] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Dee Gees | You Should Be Dancing (04:02; 6,792,790 views; 👍160,974 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])
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[22:07:56] <drussell> ^^ Now if it would just quit infesting Linux! ;)
[22:09:05] <drussell> (Not that I normally use Linux, I'm a BSD guy, but it causes difficulty porting things to BSD due to the infestation of Linux.)
[22:09:56] <chromas> it's all systemd now
[22:10:15] <chromas> no longer gnu+linux/x but systemd+linux/wayland smithers
[22:11:21] <drussell> Indeed. Pottering basically single-handedly caused dependency hell with virtually anything UNIX-like. The bastard!
[22:12:32] <chromas> I can't think of anything that requires systemd to run. KDE can use it but as far as I know runs fine without it
[22:12:40] <drussell> If someone ever builds a time machine to go back and kill Hitler, be sure to stop by sometime on the way back and take out Lennart!
[22:13:03] <drussell> Many things still work, but many features are unavailable due to dependency on systemd...
[22:13:27] <chromas> I'm using systemd right now for nspawn :D
[22:13:28] <drussell> Nobody seems willing to take the time to write workarounds for many, many things that are now systemd-centric. :(
[22:13:46] <chromas> that's all everybody else's fault
[22:14:01] <chromas> I remember the logind situation
[22:14:24] <chromas> "well nobody's maintaining [thing that came before logind]"...meanwhile, the maintainer was the guy who made logind
[22:15:17] <chromas> and if I IIRC correctly, maintained the thing that came before the thing
[22:15:23] <chromas> it's things all the way down
[22:15:46] <chromas> abandon old thing, make new thing, declare old thing useless because it's not maintained
[22:16:04] <chromas> butt on the plus side, we got pipewire out of it
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[22:21:09] <systemd> Join me!
[22:21:51] <systemd> I can't help that devs are lazy and depend on my libs
[22:25:15] <systemd> Distro maintainers like my unit files because they're too dumb to learn how to write shell and just copypasted init scripts from each other without understanding what they did. Not my fault.
[22:28:05] <requerdanos> an init system joke? Too soon
[22:28:58] <systemd> Nah it's cool; I took over the initramfs too, so it's never too early
[22:31:40] <chromas> hm I just discovered the editor named micro, which I guess is bigger than nano and pico
[22:32:17] <chromas> I keep ctrl-Xing to exit and it just deletes the current line
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[23:32:14] * chromas continues to make his network ever more unnecessarily complex
[23:33:20] <chromas> it's the ol' XY problem. I'm running arch on the server, but major updates to postgres require manual export/import, so the fix of course is to containerize it!
[23:35:04] <chromas> but it also turns out cheating on the database management with DBeaver doesn't help because it can't import its own exports
[23:36:22] <requerdanos> go go gadget mysqldump. just sayin.
[23:36:39] <chromas> well that's basically what it does, but with a mouse
[23:37:21] <chromas> but whatever command it uses for import, it says I need to use psql instead, so I gotta go use my keyboard like it's 1973
[23:37:58] <chromas> I should become a web developer
[23:38:12] <chromas> I find solutions to problems that I make for myself
[23:40:05] <chromas> Hm. new startup idea: Problems-as-a-Service
[23:45:45] <chromas> it'll have a package repo like npm or pip, except it will mix languages and encourage packages to do so as well
[23:47:10] <chromas> no wait, each package will be an xml and/or json specifying a url and protocol for the actual service, so everything is hosted
[23:48:02] <chromas> api.soylentnews.org/js/leftpad.js?string="Hello"&char=" "&length=42
[23:48:34] <chromas> is it al most april yet?
[23:57:41] <chromas> so I was thinking of doing functions-as-a-service for april 1 but I guess it's a real thing already. dangit