#soylent | Logs for 2022-02-22
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[00:10:27] <FatPhil> inz: just posted an update to mersenneforum thread ...
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[01:21:59] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[01:22:00] <systemd> ^ 03Danish police ask for help in tracking possibly escaped kangaroo
[01:22:24] <Runaway1956> I expect they'll be seeking asylum in Estonia soon
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[02:23:58] <tedious> Has anything happened in ukraine today?
[02:47:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Turning Waste PPE Into Water and Vinegar - https://sylnt.us - recycling-pee?
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[02:58:16] <Runaway1956> No tedious, nothin happened in Ukraine - but Russia sent troops into the newly recognized breakaway republics east of Ukraine
[03:00:40] <tedious> Newly recognized what?
[03:01:06] <Runaway1956> Newly recognized republics I believe - not sure if they are socialist republics
[03:01:18] <tedious> Isn't there a sea east of ukraine?
[03:01:37] <Runaway1956> https://www.themoscowtimes.com
[03:01:42] <systemd> ^ 03NATO Condemns Putin's Recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk - The Moscow Times
[03:01:55] <Runaway1956> Not any more - they have a little bit of coastline to the south
[03:02:49] <Runaway1956> Now, all the blowhards shut up and sit down, or things are really gonna get real
[03:15:50] <tedious> Oh ok you mean those 2 regions are no longer ukraine so ukraine doesn't have a sea on its east border.
[03:16:06] <Runaway1956> Exactly what I mean
[03:16:24] <tedious> Ok thanks.
[03:16:51] <tedious> It's been a long week. :)
[03:16:52] <Runaway1956> Everyone on the US/NATO side are very carefully not using the "invasion" word
[03:17:17] <Runaway1956> If they push that rhetoric much harder, Russia may just invade
[03:19:01] <tedious> Isn't that what they want so they can justify starting a war?
[03:19:11] <tedious> They'll be able to say that putin started it.
[03:21:11] <tedious> Maybe I'm reading too much russian propaganda but it seemed to me that nato was the aggressor by moving their missiles and troops closer and closer to russia's borders.
[03:28:03] <Runaway1956> That's how I see it tedious - NATO/US/UK thought that when the Soviet died, Russia also died
[03:28:47] <Runaway1956> If they were going to snatch all of the Soviet's old territory, they should have done it in the first couple years
[03:29:10] <Runaway1956> They dragged ass about it, so they can no longer claim that 'Fortune favors the bold'
[03:29:23] <Runaway1956> Putin is much bolder than all those fools in suits
[03:36:38] <tedious> Doesn't he wear a suit most of the time too?
[03:36:58] <tedious> When he's not shirtless in the snow and wrestling bears.
[03:54:53] <tedious> https://bdnews24.com
[03:54:55] <systemd> ^ 03Tanks seen in Donetsk after Putin recognises breakaway regions
[04:29:25] <chromas> burrito++
[04:29:25] <Bender> karma - burrito: 1
[04:49:52] <tedious> https://www.vox.com
[04:49:53] <systemd> ^ 03Did Russia just invade Ukraine?
[04:51:16] <tedious> Though Russia hasn't yet staged the large-scale land invasion that the Biden administration has been publicly warning about for several days, ....
[04:51:29] <tedious> So in other words no.
[04:52:29] <tedious> Russia did not just invade ukraine and your headline is a a bunch of crap.
[04:54:16] <Runaway1956> Every talking head in 'Murica seems to agree that Russia is being unreasonable - then they mention the Minsk agreement, and totally fail to explain what that agreement was about
[04:54:41] <Runaway1956> The west has not observed the Minsk agreement, either in spirit, or in the letter of the agreement
[04:55:26] <Runaway1956> We could have shut down any invasion months, years ago, simply by agreeing that Ukraine would never become part of NATO, or host any NATO troops, missiles, aircraft, etc
[05:08:09] <tedious> I have heard over and over that the usa and ussr had some sort of agreement for nato not expanding one inch to the east.
[05:08:44] <tedious> But because it wasn't in writing of course american's corrupt politicians have conveniently forgotten all about it.
[05:16:18] <Runaway1956> We conveniently forget treaties that are put in writing. We've reneged on almost all treaties with Native American tribes that have ever been written for instance
[05:25:12] * Runaway1956 needs to get to bed
[05:26:48] <halibut> Does anybody think a particular ``contributor'' to this channel would benefit from the insightful analysis and correction to certain views provided by this comic? https://www.smbc-comics.com
[05:26:49] <systemd> ^ 03Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Zardax
[05:30:26] <inz> FatPhil, that's quite an improvement (even if it's just a constant factor speedup)
[05:36:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New US Department of Defense Guidelines Promote FOSS - https://sylnt.us - adopt-buy-create
[05:48:22] <tedious> Runaway1956: Of course I may be being foold be more russian propaganda and that agreement never happened.
[05:58:30] <tedious> s/foold be/fooled by/
[05:58:30] <SedBot> <tedious> Runaway1956: Of course I may be being fooled by more russian propaganda and that agreement never happened.
[07:44:02] <tedious> https://www.thejournal.ie
[07:44:04] <systemd> ^ 03Riot police clash with New Zealand anti-vax protesters
[07:44:28] <tedious> Big pharma's narrative is falling apart but the greedy bastards can't get the hint.
[08:02:10] <boru> But now you have war to distract you. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, and all of the FOI and whistblower documents detailing many of the things the "conspiracy theorists" and "anti-vaxxers" have been talking about for the last 2 years.
[08:03:44] <boru> "Sadly", herd immunity to omicron has done what "vaccines" have been unable to do, according to bill gates.
[08:04:06] <boru> You have to feel sorry for them, missing out on all of those extra billions.
[08:13:45] <tedious> Well a few months ago we discussed the patents that they had on this virus going back years.
[08:14:08] <tedious> So who knows what other viruses they have ready to go.
[08:16:19] <boru> I had to laugh at the utterly unreadable (due to redaction) documents provided by the NIH related to virus research in Wuhan: https://theintercept.com
[08:16:20] <systemd> ^ 03NIH Sent The Intercept 292 Fully Redacted Pages Related to Virus Research in Wuhan
[08:17:10] <boru> Not to mention the breadcrumbs now linking Pfizer and fauci to gain of function research at Wuhan at labs known to not have the correct level of security for storing bioweapons.
[08:17:34] <boru> Or that in 2014, the israelis were caught selling these types of (US) bioweapons to china.
[08:17:48] <tedious> It's like these jerks wanted it to leak and infect the world.
[08:18:01] <boru> Or that at the beginning of the pandemic, they said that by "pure luck" they had been working on vaccines for these specific types of viruses.
[08:18:14] <boru> And how quickly that went out of the news cycle.
[08:18:49] <tedious> And since they already had the vaccine technology patented years in advanced I'm sure big pharma was just waiting for their chance to cash in.
[08:19:20] <boru> It's now clear that the pharma companies knew about the side effects, and purposely stopped the trials so those results wouldn't have to be provided to authorities for approval.
[08:19:58] <boru> It's in black and white in meeting transcripts from both Pfizer, AZ and Moderna.
[08:20:47] <boru> Canada and Germany are still pushing vaccine mandates probably because money has already changed hands and contracts have been signed.
[08:22:31] <boru> I don't think it will work in Germany because, legally, MRNA medicine is classified as gene therapy and not a vaccine. Ergo, legally, they can't force people to get gene therapy even during an "emergency".
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[08:23:30] <boru> I thought this was a really great read: https://thephilosophicalsalon.com
[08:23:31] <systemd> ^ 03A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy: Systemic Collapse and Pandemic Simulation - The Philosophical Salon
[08:26:28] <boru> I'm trying to find that graph of the ECB and Federal Reserve total assets from 2018 to 2021. It's very telling.
[08:26:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How NASA Plans to Destroy the International Space Station, and the Dangers Involved - https://sylnt.us - crash-and-burn
[08:28:06] <boru> Ah yes, here we go: https://cms.zerohedge.com
[09:04:24] <FatPhil> Those curves are going to the moon! How I can I buy in?
[10:19:03] <boru> Marry a Rothschild.
[11:25:19] <FatPhil> https://1.bp.blogspot.com
[11:26:52] <janrinok> I've saved that image!
[11:44:16] <FatPhil> collect the set: https://4.bp.blogspot.com
[11:45:42] <janrinok> lol
[11:46:01] <janrinok> where on earth did you unearth those from?
[11:48:00] <FatPhil> https://scarfolk.blogspot.com
[11:48:01] <systemd> ^ 03Scarfolk Council
[11:50:02] <boru> These remind me of those demotivation posters that Despair used to make.
[11:50:29] <boru> https://despair.com
[11:50:29] <systemd> ^ 03Despair, Inc. - Demotivators®, The World’s Best Demotivational Posters
[11:56:52] <janrinok> It truely is amazing what exists on the interweb thingies
[13:43:51] <Bytram>
[14:20:10] <progo> I'm back on Google Chat. Hangouts plugin for libpurple broke last week. my friends can proceed having conversations with me under sillycon valley surveillance
[14:20:47] <progo> anyone have any tips for getting every friend and every contact onto a system that can't or doesn't spy? particularly one that works in BitlBee/libpurple
[14:40:40] <boru> Just stop using those other services and tell them where you reach you. If they don't try, then they probably weren't worth staying in contact with.
[14:40:59] <boru> I got family on to signal first, but now they're all on briar.
[14:41:15] <boru> (for phone IM, that is)
[14:42:01] <boru> Everyone else, it's email, IRC, or NNTP.
[15:50:28] <Runaway1956> I've skimmed a number of headlines - it appears that US/Euro is flabbergasted, unable to make a meaningful response to Russia
[15:50:50] <Runaway1956> Everyone probably waiting on Biden to assimilate the news
[15:51:32] * Runaway1956 has important stuff to do today - like spending money before inflation makes it valueless
[15:52:03] <janrinok> Well you ought to read better sources. Both the US and EU have already declared sanctions.
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[15:52:45] <janrinok> Sanctions have also been announce by members of the G7
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[15:55:35] <Runaway1956> Wait, do we regard sanctions as meaningful? Russia weighed all of that before making their move.
[15:55:51] <Runaway1956> Europe will pay more for gas as a result of sanctions
[15:56:53] <janrinok> well, where do you think 'meaningful' should begin - throwing nukes around? Somewhere in-between?
[15:57:38] <Runaway1956> My opinion - there is no meaningful response short of open warfare, which would quickly devolve into a nuclear exchange
[15:57:42] <chromas> We can interfere with their elections
[15:57:51] <Runaway1956> today's world has inherited MADness
[15:57:54] <FatPhil> Did I, or did I not, tell you all to buy 3NGL when it was in the 80s last week? Remember to cash-out before the glowey-mushroomy-thingy.
[15:58:51] <FatPhil> We import ~85% of our NG from or via Russia, we're fuxked
[15:58:58] <FatPhil> Finland's worse, i think.
[15:59:29] <Runaway1956> No worries FatPhil - we're lining up ocean going tankers to supply you with good 'Murican gas!
[15:59:43] <Runaway1956> for a reasonable markup of about 500%
[16:01:15] <FatPhil> We've always got the saudis. We can set up crypto mining rigs in Riyadh, and solve all our problems.
[16:02:17] <Runaway1956> check the date on this story - https://www.nationandstate.com
[16:02:18] <systemd> ^ 03US Sends Fleet Of LNG Ships To Fuel-Starved Europe
[16:03:52] <janrinok> + Your Source for Patriot News and World Reports+
[16:03:55] <Runaway1956> Japan doing the same https://www.reuters.com
[16:03:57] <systemd> ^ 03Japan to divert LNG to Europe amid Russia-Ukraine tension
[16:04:14] <Runaway1956> I didn't even know Japan was a fossil fuel producer
[16:06:26] <Runaway1956> Jan - when MSM fails to report real events in the world you have to take your news wherever you find it
[16:07:16] <janrinok> Look outside the US - there are lots of other countries out here
[16:07:33] <Runaway1956> https://babylonbee.com
[16:07:33] <systemd> ^ 03Russia Withdraws From Ukraine's Border But Leaves Behind A Beautiful Wooden Horse As A Gift
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[16:55:00] <boru> It seems more and more likely that Scholz is a US plant.
[16:55:12] <boru> As if Germany wasn't enough of a vassal state to the US already...
[16:55:39] <boru> Saying no to Nord Stream 2 is a mistake that they'll pay for. Pay a lot, and for a long time.
[16:55:53] <boru> It really seems like they're trying to reinforce NATO ties.
[17:02:29] <FatPhil> Looks like one of our local pubs is doing a special on beer and wings tonight. I've never heard any language apart from Russian spoken within, I wonder if this is some pro-Putin celebration.
[17:02:48] <Runaway1956> Bytram janrinok FatPhil and other usual suspects - https://soylentnews.org
[17:02:49] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Well-Functioning Fat May be the Key to Fewer Old-Age Ailments ( https://soylentnews.org )
[17:03:10] <Runaway1956> I was beginning to notice that, when I stumbled over the comment
[17:03:37] <FatPhil> counters have been flakey for days, I ignore them now!
[17:03:41] <Runaway1956> additionally, the "new" tags aren't updating properly when returning to a page already viewed
[17:04:22] <Runaway1956> Flakey? The Pillsbury Doughboy is in charge now?
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[18:17:06] * Runaway1956 sighs
[18:17:42] <Runaway1956> 30+ year old refrigerator stopped working months ago
[18:18:10] <Runaway1956> kids did a scramble to find a much smaller, used, fridge to put in it's place
[18:18:19] <Runaway1956> cost me nothing, so I can't complain much
[18:18:28] <Runaway1956> except, it has quit now
[18:19:59] <Runaway1956> I think that dear wife has her eye on a Samsung, about same size as the one we bought all those years ago
[18:20:32] <chromas> Is it a botnet device?
[18:20:59] <Runaway1956> Not sure about that chromas - it doesn't list any wifi features
[18:21:14] <Runaway1956> of course, I can block it at the router
[18:21:36] <chromas> But how will you know when to replace the water filter?
[18:22:02] <Runaway1956> lol - about the time I start getting brown ice, I know to change the filter!
[18:28:29] <chromas> Sounds like a death sentence. You need big Sammi to protect you by sending all your datums to the internet
[18:38:47] <FatPhil> all samsungs have been botnet devices for at least half a decade
[18:44:29] <chromas> Scamsungs
[18:44:39] <FatPhil> nah, they were quite open
[18:44:48] <FatPhil> should be a PHY on the back
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[19:00:30] <AzumaHazuki> um...
[19:03:27] <SoyCow3881> Looked back in the log, someone did notice that the front page counters aren't working (again).
[19:05:11] <SoyCow3881> Also some discussion of getting a new fridge. I'll repeat advice we got from a friendly repair guy when our old fridge died (nearly 15 years ago). We asked which brand he recommended. He said they are all about equal, and if you want the computers to last, put the fridge on a surge protector.
[19:29:23] <halibut> Concerning computers in refrigerators, I feel this may be relevant: https://xkcd.com
[19:29:23] <systemd> ^ 03Voting Machines
[20:24:39] <bacterium> happy 22/2/22
[20:24:46] <bacterium> coffee++
[20:24:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5603
[20:24:49] <bacterium> tea++
[20:24:49] <Bender> karma - tea: 637
[20:24:54] <bacterium> satan++
[20:24:54] <Bender> karma - satan: 30
[20:25:00] * bacterium wishes satan was tea
[20:25:10] <chromas> is that 22/2/22 or 22/2/22?
[20:25:25] <bacterium> yy/m/dd
[20:52:28] <Runaway1956> Good advice, SoyCow3881 - everything needs a surge protector these days.
[21:12:44] <SoyCow3881> Had the house service updated including a large, whole house surge protector, mounted at the breaker panel. It has a couple of large reassuring green leds that I see whenever I go past...
[21:29:39] <Fnord666> Unfortunately those prevent surges on the outside line from affecting the house, but don't do anything for surges that are generated inside the house, like those from refrigerators.
[21:29:59] <Fnord666> At least that's how I understand it.
[21:45:30] <FatPhil> yup, they provide spike gaps, but everything on one side can be affected by anything else the same side of the choke, no matter what the tech used.
[21:46:29] <FatPhil> Which is one reason why my UPS was able to destroy my DEC Alpha.
[21:48:35] <chromas> My 3d printer makes my fluorescent lights flicker
[21:48:55] <chromas> cheap_psus--
[21:48:55] <Bender> karma - cheap_psus: -1
[21:50:18] <Bytram> story counts are broken but site *is* up atm and I *AM* investigating
[21:54:55] <chromas> Gotta find all the tasks slashd handles and make some systemd timers
[22:00:05] <FatPhil> chromas: that might even be RF interference, it doesn't need to be over the wire.
[22:01:02] <chromas> I s'pose. It used to have problem with disconnecting from the serial-over-usb (heh) connection when a nearby light switch got turned off
[22:01:04] <FatPhil> Anything which switches currents on and off quickly sends out square waves, which basically contain all frequencies.
[22:02:15] <FatPhil> Bring in a professional scientologist with his e-meter to diagnose your problem.
[22:09:58] <SoyCow3881> When we added the whole-house surge, we didn't get rid of the surge protectors around the house...including the one on the fridge.
[22:55:17] <FatPhil> =yt Qg4K9vX9D7E
[22:55:17] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Andi Gladwin talking about Penn & Teller Fool Us (30:47; 6,744 views; 👍151 👎[hidden by butthurt Google employees])