#soylent | Logs for 2021-11-02
« return
[23:51:13] * Runaway1956 did dishes last week
[23:50:57] <Bytram> biam dishes
[23:50:52] <Bytram> biam dished
[23:50:34] <Bytram> oh, k
[23:50:31] <Runaway1956> The joke was, I made him sit and watch me drink a drink, while he had none
[23:50:05] <Bytram> you wanted HIM to pay for it
[23:49:57] <Runaway1956> Nope I paid for my drink - DID NOT pay for a drink for him - he was broke as broke could be and couldn't buy a drink
[23:49:51] <Bytram> that was the joke, right
[23:49:28] <Bytram> so you did not pay?
[23:49:07] <progo> ha
[23:49:03] <Runaway1956> Kid just couldn't understant that.
[23:48:54] <Runaway1956> Told him I wanted "a drink", I've had "a drink" and I'm ready to go
[23:48:36] <Runaway1956> Got up, ready to leave, he says "Are you out of money, or what?"
[23:48:17] <Runaway1956> We stopped at the pub, I ordered a Scotch and water, sat there for awhile, and sipped it down.
[23:47:54] <Runaway1956> On the way home from work, I told him I wanted "a drink"
[23:47:41] <Runaway1956> I pulled a cruel one on my stepson years ago -
[23:47:36] <progo> that's a hard night of drinking for me in my 40s
[23:47:22] <progo> I'm thinking "why am I feeling weird and light headed? … oh. derp."
[23:47:10] <Bytram> and that's the difference. An alcoholic's mind it different. When most people's brains say "That's enough", a real alcoholic's mind says "NOW you're talking! Give me more of that!"
[23:47:09] <progo> like 45 minutes later I wind down at the computer and flow into bed
[23:46:58] <progo> last night I had hot cocoa with 2 ounces of rum
[23:46:43] <progo> yep
[23:45:44] <Runaway1956> First and only time for that!
[23:45:15] <Runaway1956> Buncha Germans filled me full of jagermeister, and I went out like a light
[23:44:54] <Runaway1956> The drunkest I've ever been was totally unintentional
[23:44:05] <Runaway1956> But getting drunk is for fools
[23:43:56] <Runaway1956> I can sorta halfway understand people who like to drink - I drank my share when I was younger
[23:43:33] <Bytram> ... so far
[23:43:20] <progo> she's eventually going to hurt someone and lose her nursing career before she finishes school
[23:43:02] <progo> told our family at the dinner table
[23:42:56] <progo> my niece is "a good drunk driver"
[23:42:52] <Bytram> the closer one looks, the more dire the circumstances. They cannot quit, even when they desperately want to. :(
[23:41:01] <progo> lady friend got me drunk. she was drunker :^)
[23:40:44] <Runaway1956> I think it proves how manly they are progo
[23:40:39] <progo> why the hell would I want to get that sick again, on purpose?
[23:40:30] <progo> I've been properly drunk, like… once
[23:40:21] <progo> but I don't understand at all dumb-ass 18 year olds and 20 somethings getting smashed 3 or 4 nights a week
[23:40:03] <progo> I understand addiction, a little, from outside
[23:39:29] <systemd> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com - Q Continuum | Memory Alpha | Fandom
[23:39:29] <Bytram> =g star trek Q continuum
[23:39:22] <Runaway1956> “Wer sind diese teufelshunde?” --Some Forgotten German
[23:38:23] <Runaway1956> “Do you want to live forever?” --Dan Daly
[23:35:01] <progo> *drink
[23:34:54] <progo> my mom wouldn't trink any alcohol until like 5 or 10 years after her father died from alcoholism and smoking
[23:33:53] * Bytram has had far too many friends struggle with alcoholism... I would not wish it on anyone. "At first it was fun! Then it was fun, with troubles. Then it was *just* troubles."
[23:27:51] <systemd> ^ 03“Sliding Home…Woo Hoo! What a Ride!…”
[23:27:50] <Runaway1956> https://eflorence.wordpress.com
[23:27:47] <Runaway1956> You should read this (again?) Bytram
[23:26:11] <Runaway1956> lol
[23:18:38] <Bytram> if you still can =)
[23:13:19] <Bytram> (Think About It)
[23:13:05] <Bytram> tai
[23:12:55] <Bytram> Nor any of the weeks, months, and years that precede them?
[23:08:12] <Runaway1956> Do you plan on using your brain after the grave?
[23:07:56] <Runaway1956> Bytram - if your brain declines from cradle to grave, what of it?
[22:56:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yahoo Pulls Out of China Over "Challenging" Business Conditions - https://sylnt.us
[22:48:30] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Drinking Linked to a Decline in Brain Health From Cradle to Grave: Harm Prevention Policies Must Tak" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:48:21] <Bytram> =asub https://www.sciencedaily.com
[21:34:21] <Runaway1956> Not really neutral, but better than the rest
[21:34:05] <Runaway1956> APnews is being far more neutral on this than most of the other networks
[21:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03Instigator or victim? Rittenhouse on trial in Kenosha
[21:33:39] <Runaway1956> https://apnews.com
[21:19:32] <chromas> I like how the the page, title and bot all have different titles for the same link
[21:18:40] <systemd> ^ 03Boxes Seen Strewn Along LA Railroad Tracks Amid Cargo Container Theft
[21:18:39] <chromas> https://www.nbclosangeles.com
[21:18:21] <chromas> No need for wood; I've got gas
[21:13:18] <Runaway1956> When you carry firewood in, that will change.
[21:12:42] <chromas> the birch isn't in right now
[21:09:17] <Runaway1956> Okay, so you're poplar, not birch.
[21:08:58] <chromas> Everyone else was doing it...I just wanted to be popular
[21:08:38] <Runaway1956> why do you hate me?
[21:08:27] * Runaway1956 slips off a branch and hits every branch on the way to the ground
[21:08:01] * chromas gives Runaway1956 Tree Style Tabs
[21:07:47] <Runaway1956> Holy shit - I have a couple hundred tabs open again - each tab is so little I have a hard time clicking it
[21:07:46] <chromas> I'm imagining that it's got its own NAT-ed subnet, so you'd need to disable that. I know regular routers usually have a special Bridge Mode that makes them just an access point into the lan, without its own dhcp and stuff
[21:06:24] <Runaway1956> I'll have to check it out later, I'm about out of screwaround time today
[21:06:22] <chromas> mmm...chocolate
[21:05:52] <Runaway1956> though I did see a brown hottie of color yesterday
[21:05:48] <chromas> Should be able to set it to be a bridge to your lan instead of NAT
[21:05:25] <chromas> that's kool kids of kolor
[21:05:19] <chromas> racist
[21:05:10] <Runaway1956> nope, no Kool Kolored Kids here
[21:04:54] <chromas> ...K
[21:04:47] <Runaway1956> KK
[21:04:40] <chromas> Don't know anything about mesh wifis
[21:04:21] <Runaway1956> I can't share files and folders between wired computer and wireless
[21:03:55] <Runaway1956> Now, can you direct me to some "networking for dummies" so I can integrate my wired network with the wireless?
[21:02:56] <Runaway1956> probly not - unless you set something to netgear website, like maybe NTP or some such
[21:02:32] <chromas> also, I'm pretty sure the configuration page comes by dial-up carrier pigeon
[21:02:06] <chromas> I wonder if my switch that always wants to redirect to netgear's website has open source firmware
[21:01:19] <Runaway1956> DD-WRT is good stuff, IMO
[21:01:10] <Runaway1956> I rather like Netgear - for consumer grade stuff, it's open source, and you can install whichever firmware you like
[20:57:23] <chromas> Runaway1956: Netgear wifi? My condolences
[20:56:26] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[20:37:23] <Runaway1956> Plus, I can monitor attached devices from one screen - no more juggling screens - no more wondering "WTF is THAT device?"
[20:36:36] <Runaway1956> One password to rule them all!
[20:36:29] <Runaway1956> There should be no more crying about "I can't connect"
[20:34:27] <Runaway1956> Whoo-hooo - upgrading wireless network from a jumbled mess of stuff, to a Netgear mesh network
[20:15:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Store 5 Gigabytes Using "5D" Optical Data Storage, Claim Up to 500 Terabytes Possible - https://sylnt.us
[17:25:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Fi is Getting (Limited) End-to-End Encrypted Phone Calls - https://sylnt.us
[16:22:25] -!- AzumaHazuki has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[16:12:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pushing Renewable Power Immediately Could Save Trillions in Health Costs" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:12:15] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://arstechnica.com from the no-excuses dept.
[14:46:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Student Cracks the High-Dimensional Quantum Code - https://sylnt.us - get-unknotted
[13:15:59] <inz> chromas, and Microsoft auto-dials you with an indian accent?
[13:11:06] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The One Ronnie (47:57; 126,093 views; 👍657 👎35)
[13:11:05] <FatPhil> =yt one ronnie
[13:00:08] <chromas> Headline showed up a second time; coming up with a new crappy joke sounds like work
[12:45:40] <FatPhil> you spammin'?
[12:07:10] <chromas> Windows already detects crashes and auto-dials Microsoft
[12:07:10] <chromas> Another copycat feature
[12:06:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Wants iPhones to Detect Car Crashes, Auto-Dial 911 - https://sylnt.us
[11:07:48] <chromas> Alternatively, redefine "deforestation"
[11:07:35] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 154
[11:07:35] <chromas> FatPhil++
[11:06:49] <FatPhil> Headline: "World leaders promise to end deforestation by 2030". Twisted interpretation: "Total deforestation of the planet must be completed no later than 31 Dec 2029".
[09:16:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - John Carmack Issues Some Words of Warning for Meta and its Metaverse Plans - https://sylnt.us - building-blocks
[09:06:40] <chromas> 🎵Ch-ch-ch-chia!🎵
[09:06:22] <chromas> That's old hat. We've got proof of storage space now. Who's got more storage than MS, Google and the NSA?
[09:05:34] <FatPhil> how would you trust it? you'd need some kind of proof-of-work scheme, surely?
[08:40:37] <chromas> oh TLS. Put it in the cloud!
[08:40:26] <chromas> Sounds like we just need to reinvent the way DNS is done. Put it in the cloud
[08:26:24] -!- lld [lld!~lld@2001:f40:tmx::psnr] has joined #soylent
[08:23:52] <boru> The joys of cloud bullshit, and corporate dependency on ms...
[08:23:39] <boru> Looks like ms messed up their TLS cert deployment here in .de this morning. All of their .de domains have the .com wildcard certs on them, it seems.
[08:19:25] -!- x0908d3b2 [x0908d3b2!~quassel@2605:ea00:1:j::qvto:oymn] has joined #soylent
[08:13:07] -!- x0908d3b2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[06:27:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CT Scan of a Pumpkin - https://sylnt.us - Why-can't-every-day-can-be-Halloween?
[05:29:56] <chromas> We tested a couple of those webby clients as replacements for the current sn irc webpage since its development is dead, like our irc server
[05:28:45] <chromas> oh maybe I deleted it
[05:28:00] <chromas> also have a Lounge instance set up somewhere
[05:27:49] <chromas> I'm using postgres and made a crappy search page for it
[04:32:12] <progo> The Lounge doesn't have an integrated pastebin
[04:31:48] <progo> I'll use "what are the known bugs and fixed bugs like" as my rubric for Convos, and maybe give it a try this month
[04:30:54] <progo> quassel's log search system is "it's an sqlite file. have fun."
[04:30:37] <progo> I kinda agree
[04:30:34] <progo> The Lounge (similar. not Perl) or Convos has a ticket saying "we will NOT implement DCC."
[04:02:47] <chromas> I don't know about perl code being hard to secure; I'm pretty sure programmers of other languages are doing a pretty good job at that
[04:00:36] <chromas> and a decent log search system. there was a webby search but I think it was abandoned
[04:00:08] <chromas> quassel's pretty sweet, though it's missing some features of other clients, like DCC
[03:44:42] <progo> i'm using quassel now (C++, Qt, split proxy and end user client). Quassel is definitely a lot easier to deploy than how Convos might work
[03:42:32] <progo> input sanitization issues all over the system
[03:42:20] <progo> I've heard it's very hard to make a perl web app actually secure
[03:42:05] <progo> my understanding so far: Convos is a perl app. it is an IRC proxy client thing with most web browsers as the actual client. irc session lives forever in the proxy and doesn't log out unless you tell it to. includes a personal pastebin, and stuff like inline previews for any urls shared in a channel
[03:39:08] <chromas> is convos really the simplest? What about ii?
[03:38:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Trojan Source" Bug Threatens the Security of All Code - https://sylnt.us - sky-is-falling-again
[03:37:17] <progo> gn
[03:37:16] <progo> thanks
[03:37:14] <Bytram> ciao for now.
[03:37:06] <Bytram> ;)
[03:36:53] <Bytram> chromas: boru: ^^^
[03:36:45] <progo> also i'll look at the app's bug list
[03:36:28] <Bytram> good luck!!!
[03:36:24] <progo> I'll blather about it later probably
[03:36:11] <Bytram> there are others here who could do (much much) more to help you sort things out.
[03:35:05] <progo> okay. have a good night
[03:34:55] <Bytram> don't have any input or suggestion in that area.
[03:34:28] <Bytram> progo: My only exp with IRC comes as being a user on this site, and getting a few additional perms so that if something goes sideways, someone else could guide me in helping get thing stabilized...
[03:31:41] <progo> oh sorry. gn
[03:31:36] <progo> currently using Quassel
[03:31:23] <progo> I've seen some nasty examples of "if you do what's in the manual, your app is full of exploits"
[03:31:05] <systemd> ^ 03About Convos - The simplest IRC client around
[03:31:04] <progo> Bytram: would you recommend I as a personal server owner run an IRC client called Convos, as a service for me, even if it's written in Perl? https://convos.chat I'm afraid of Perl really
[03:30:56] <Bytram> time to hit the sack
[03:30:43] <Bytram> It's getting late here...
[03:30:00] <Bytram> thank TMB for implementing it.
[03:29:19] <progo> yes
[03:29:13] <progo> and I know Soylent has supported unicode only, as long as I've read it
[03:29:02] * Bytram notes that the green site still does not support Unicode
[03:28:47] <progo> I know the fork point from slashcode was … wtfish
[03:28:31] <progo> you are brave
[03:28:15] * Bytram tested the implementation of Unicode on SoylentNews. =)
[03:26:52] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 62
[03:26:52] <Bytram> teamwork++
[03:26:40] <progo> yep
[03:26:30] <Bytram> looks to be live, now!
[03:26:15] <progo> Bytram: thanks for clarifying my jargon, too
[03:25:47] <progo> no worries
[03:25:45] <progo> maybe caches or something
[03:25:20] <progo> but it was not live like 10 minutes ago
[03:25:17] <Bytram> this one?
[03:25:11] <systemd> ^ 03"Trojan Source" Bug Threatens the Security of All Code - SoylentNews
[03:25:10] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:25:10] <progo> well there it goes
[03:24:38] <progo> (not a complaint)
[03:24:36] <progo> how come the time in my story's URL has come and gone (in UTC) and it's not live yet?
[03:23:42] <Bytram> progo: ^^^
[03:23:25] <systemd> Coordinated Universal Time or UTC is the primary time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time. It is within about 1 second of mean solar - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:23:24] <Bytram> =w UTC
[03:16:44] <progo> but I have no idea what time zone(s) the web site is in
[03:16:35] <progo> exciting
[03:16:34] <progo> I can feel my second ever soylent news post creeping to the top of the queue…
[02:53:56] boru` is now known as boru
[02:53:53] -!- boru has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by boru`!~boru@zkpq-34-032-27-296.dynamic.mnet-online.de))]
[02:53:51] -!- boru` [boru`!~boru@zkpq-34-032-27-296.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #soylent
[01:45:51] <chromas> "This trailer feels like a random group of sentences, behind some music. I actually didn't understand the movie concept at all."
[01:45:38] <systemd> ^ 03Zeros and Ones Trailer #1 (2021)
[01:45:37] <chromas> ah, found FatPhil's trailer https://www.youtube.com
[01:23:42] <Runaway1956> "Never trust an actor with a gun." -- Abraham Lincoln
[00:47:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - France Gets a New Anti-Piracy Agency in 2022 - https://sylnt.us
[00:22:20] -!- AzumaHazuki [AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time] has joined #soylent