#soylent | Logs for 2021-10-19

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[00:33:11] <Teckla> Does Linux assume /tmp is the official temporary directory, or is there perhaps an environment variable, or something else, where that could be configured?
[01:00:00] <AzumaHazuki> you could probably symlink it somewhere
[01:05:36] <tedious> Teckla: Try TMPDIR yet?
[01:08:56] <Teckla> tedious: That's it, thank you
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[01:11:39] <tedious> Yay!
[01:26:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Announces New M1 Pro and M1 Max SoCs for MacBook Pro - https://sylnt.us
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[02:15:07] <SoyCow4823> Thanks to our fearless leaders, California has even more vagrancy, crime, and drive-by shootings.
[02:15:32] <SoyCow4823> Hell, a block away, we got like 4 niggaz livin' outta a U-Haul
[02:15:52] <SoyCow4823> Never seen that one before.
[02:16:24] <SoyCow4823> Now, that's gotta be some grand larceny there. "Ima use my stimmie to rent a U-haul"
[02:16:35] <SoyCow4823> "But I ain't givin' it back"
[02:16:54] <SoyCow4823> Hahahahahha. But how would that happen? Cops are too scared to confront and arrest Niggaz.
[02:17:58] <SoyCow4823> Gotta hand it to all the recent shootings (that the news won't report), though, they're keepin the hood more quiet
[02:18:50] <SoyCow4823> People always talk about MUH VAN LYFE but they'd best make room for a new face -- BLACKFACE.
[02:19:49] <SoyCow4823> I seen more niggas livin out of cars in one block than I have white people livin' a proper van lyfe
[02:21:12] <SoyCow4823> It's so bad that niggaz be bustin' drive-bys against other niggas who ain't even have apartments.
[02:21:28] <SoyCow4823> The prostitutes are back, too.
[02:22:00] <SoyCow4823> I got ripped off by a nigga sellin' CD's
[02:22:37] <SoyCow4823> I gave him 5 bucks for one of his CDs, but when i took it home and tried to play it, nothing was on it. Just Black scribbling on the top.
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[02:43:09] <SoyCow8979> Prices are rising, politicians are crooked, violent crime is skyrocketting, and yet our politicians are whining about "hate crimes." Unit 8200's data collection of American chatter probably has them nervous.
[02:43:28] <SoyCow8979> "Oh, and ignore the hate crimes against Asians. Those don't count!"
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[03:39:44] <AzumaHazuki> if eth ever actually did work for boston dynamics i can see why they canned him
[03:40:11] <AzumaHazuki> their robot dog probably tried to piss on him or bury him every time their paths crossed
[04:02:14] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I refer you to the .topic for this channel which states, in part, "Please keep discussions civil". This is your first and only warning.
[04:02:48] <AzumaHazuki> does that apply to our driveby spammer? asking for a friend :D
[04:03:28] <AzumaHazuki> also, didn't you have me on /ignore?
[04:04:35] <Bytram> Yes, it does, and they get kicked (and banned) as the situation allows. Does not change the warning you received.
[04:04:56] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: ^^^
[04:05:29] <AzumaHazuki> is there a way to get the situation to allow it more?
[04:07:01] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: what is "it"?
[04:07:29] <AzumaHazuki> eth there getting kicked and banned. i'm on here at weird hours, so i'd be happy to help
[04:08:45] <Bytram> I appreciate the offer. Will have to discuss it with other the admins.
[04:12:11] <AzumaHazuki> no sense in me just complaining about a problem when i can help with it, right?
[04:16:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 11 Runs on 1-Core Pentium 4 Because Microsoft Forgot to Disable It - https://sylnt.us - 2021's-Pentium-Bug
[06:24:40] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[06:24:41] <systemd> ^ 03Idiocracy
[07:05:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sim City for Food Science Takes on Listeria Outbreaks - https://sylnt.us - passing-interest
[07:19:50] <chromas> Nobody plays Sim City anymore. Should be creating the Cities: Skylines of Food Science
[07:37:18] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[07:37:20] <systemd> ^ 03Weekend at Bernie's
[07:37:22] <chromas> classic
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[08:30:31] <FatPhil> does anyone do javascript?
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[08:45:04] <inz> FatPhil, sometimes
[08:47:35] <FatPhil> some website's spamming my browser console with messages, so I'm trying to understand its JS, and it kinda looks retarded, but I'm not sure, as I don't do JS.
[08:48:28] <FatPhil> Does this make any sense at all:
[08:48:30] <FatPhil> o=this.headers["content-length"]===false?true:false;
[08:48:30] <FatPhil> if(o){
[08:48:30] <FatPhil> delete this.headers["content-length"]
[08:48:30] <FatPhil> }
[08:49:05] <FatPhil> if o, then this.headers["content-length"]===false, so what is delete this.headers["content-length"] for?!?!
[08:49:32] <inz> No, doesn't make any sense.
[08:49:57] <inz> Especially since === is comparison without type coercion, so it must indeed be false, any falsy value is not enough.
[08:50:22] <inz> Sounds like someone tried to fix a bug they did not understand.
[08:52:01] <inz> Also, I don't really think that altering the content-length header has any effect at the point when JS is run
[08:53:06] <FatPhil> it later goes on to use
[08:53:15] <FatPhil> those headers for stuff it sends out
[08:54:07] <inz> Well, actually it sounds a bit like their backend has some issues, which obviously are worked around in frontend.
[08:54:08] <FatPhil> so is ===false the equivalent of an is_defined() predicate?
[08:54:19] <inz> no
[08:55:13] <inz> ===false is like "is this the instance of the singleton boolean object for false values"
[08:55:53] <inz> For the check to be true, the content-length property/key/whatchamacallit must exist, and be exactly false
[08:56:12] <FatPhil> ah, so this.headers["content-length"] would exist, just be specifically a boolean false. A rather bizarre value for something supposed to represent textual headers.
[08:56:28] <inz> Yep
[08:56:56] <inz> If it were only two equal signs, then 0 (or "", or null, or undefined) would also match
[08:57:22] <inz> oh sorry, undefined and null won't
[08:58:13] <FatPhil> JS is weird
[08:58:21] <inz> yes
[09:01:45] <FatPhil> it looks like this code has been written by someone who thinks he's programming LISP, lots of lambdas and currying
[09:04:09] <FatPhil> oooh, looking deeper, I don't think this shitty library is actually at fault, it's the caller that's specifically asked it to be spammy on the console, so I can stop delving into it!
[09:05:37] <FatPhil> however, I have no idea where the initialisation will be
[09:08:16] <inz> Modern JS is lots of lambdas.
[09:08:20] <inz> Or maybe only lambdas.
[09:46:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Planet-hunting Satellite Discovers a Dying Star 'Switching on and Off' - https://sylnt.us - go-on,-give-us-a-flash!
[09:56:39] <chromas> Were there lens flares? Probably J J Abrams just rebooting the sun
[10:07:17] <FatPhil> I don't have a problem with lambdas, I am a LISPer, it's just that they seem to be used 3 times more often than needed. Anything that creates an anonymous function, immediately calls it, and then does nothing else with it, seems retarded.
[10:12:17] <FatPhil> I see here something like n.foo=function(n) { var i; return function(){ var u; u=/*do stuff with n*/; return u; }() }; which, unless I'm missing something, looks completely insane.
[10:18:11] <chromas> is a lambda just an anon function pointer assigned to a variable?
[10:21:40] <FatPhil> doesn't need to be assigned anywhere
[10:21:53] <chromas> is a lambda just an anon function pointer?
[10:22:21] <FatPhil> if you don't care about the concept of closures, then yes.
[10:22:51] <chromas> was that the local variables that don't reset when they go out of scope?
[10:23:44] <FatPhil> not really, it's state that is brought in from outside the function at time of creation that it's allowed access to when called.
[10:24:39] <FatPhil> e.g. function multiplier(by) { return function(val){return val*by}; }
[10:25:40] <FatPhil> 'by' is magicked into the function that's returned. you can create any number of unary helper functions, each can multiply by a different 'by'.
[10:26:18] <chromas> So it's like OOP with extra magic to pretend it's not
[10:26:19] <FatPhil> JS syntax may be mangled, I'm not fluent.
[10:26:38] <FatPhil> it's more like lisp with extra noise to pretend it's not
[10:27:54] <FatPhil> (multiplier (by) (lambda (val) (val*by))) if I remember my lisp (which has been 20+ years)
[10:28:16] <FatPhil> missing defun in there, I suspect
[10:34:57] <chromas> All this just to pretend it's not all GW Basic underneath
[11:15:49] <FatPhil> as I say, it's basically trying to pretend it's not LISP.
[12:26:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dark Matter Alternative Passes Big Test - https://sylnt.us
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[14:46:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Planet-Hunting Satellite Discovers a Dying Star 'Switching on and Off' - https://sylnt.us - go-on,-give-us-a-flash!
[15:16:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lucy’s Solar Panel Hasn’t Latched--A Problem for a Mission Powered by the Sun - https://sylnt.us - technical-difficulties
[15:19:09] <FatPhil> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[15:19:11] <systemd> ^ 03$10bn James Webb Space Telescope unpacked in Kourou
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[16:16:39] <Runaway1956> Whoa! Inflation surcharge?
[16:17:27] <Runaway1956> I'd paste the email into IRC, but it's probably a little too long for that nonsense
[16:23:30] <Runaway1956> Looks like maybe a new journal topic
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[16:58:20] <FatPhil> Inflation's *good*, didn't you get the memo?
[16:58:49] <FatPhil> "it means people are buying things" which means the economy's healthy, obviously!
[17:04:16] <AzumaHazuki> hurr, and the stock market is the entire economy so if that's doing well it means everything's copacetic
[17:34:17] <FatPhil> Don't blame me for the garbage that drools out of Psaki's idiotic maw.
[17:46:00] <AzumaHazuki> you know, this all represents the failure of the reagan revolution. 40 years of this supply-side horseshit.
[17:46:26] <AzumaHazuki> there are at least two lost generations because of it, to say nothing of the climate and geopolitical problems it caused
[17:50:17] <FatPhil> Don't let LBJ and Crooky McCrookface off the hook
[17:53:44] <FatPhil> But TBH, Woodrow Wilson pointed the US economy towards its path to destruction way back in 1913
[18:06:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Expansion of Wind and Solar Power Too Slow to Stop Climate Change - https://sylnt.us - Better-step-on-the-gas!-Oh...wait
[18:31:10] <Teckla> THAT'S WHY BITCOIN IS THE FUTURE!
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[19:18:38] <Runaway1956> My dog is entirely too happy - legs up in the air, sun shining on her belly, and squirming through the grass - she's just too happy and care free
[19:23:54] <chromas> Go out there and join in
[19:32:39] <AzumaHazuki> lol, so much for 2 days off. on the other hand, time and a half :3
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[19:58:15] <Bytram> Deucalion++ thank you!
[19:58:15] <Bender> karma - deucalion: 39
[20:02:19] <Deucalion> ?? I did nothing here :/
[20:08:41] <Bytram> ++ does not work "there", so I did what I could/
[20:08:48] <Bytram> Deucalion++
[20:08:48] <Bender> karma - deucalion: 40
[20:35:22] <chromas> I miss the old days when a microwave oven would do short beeps instead of a super long obnoxious one. How did we devolve so much as a society?
[20:43:38] <Deucalion> Take a soldering iron to it. Remove the beeper, put a resistor in the beeper place. Then eat cold food :D Just don't run it with the metal case off... I think it forms part of the faraday cage to keep the magnetrons in....
[20:43:42] <Deucalion> :D
[20:44:15] <chromas> Have you seen the vidya where a guy replaces his magnetron with lasers?
[20:44:22] <boru> Pft, that's what the waveguide is for.
[20:44:56] <boru> It's not that hard to mute things with a soldering iron, though.
[20:47:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sinclair Confirms Ransomware Attack That Disrupted TV Stations - https://sylnt.us
[20:48:21] <Deucalion> That sounds sinister boru
[20:48:51] <boru> Sounds like you need a taste of a soldering iron!
[20:49:09] <Deucalion> Bring it bitch :P
[20:49:51] * boru chuckles.
[20:52:49] <Deucalion> My microwave overheated massively on a long cycle simmer of something about a year back.... as in could not touch the exterior hot lest lose skin on contact (stainless steel skin).... subsequent test runs... same in ~1 min.... roasty toasty melt facey. Not pulled it apart yet and not clued up on microwaves.... sould a failed fan do that?
[20:52:53] <Deucalion> could*
[20:53:44] <Deucalion> Personally, I think the russians got to it, or covid. Maybe a squirt of Ivermectin the vents will help?
[20:54:01] * Deucalion jiggles
[20:54:03] <boru> I'd expect slight hot spots without a fan. Could be a thermal runway. Stick an LCR on it, if you have one. See if it starts drawing a lot of current.
[20:54:17] <Deucalion> LCR?
[20:54:40] <boru> LCR meter. Current clamp.
[20:58:54] <Deucalion> It didn't trip a breaker or fuse, just shut itself down due to overheat. I mean serious overheat in the unit. UK here so max 13A @ ~250V to protect the trailing flex fused in the plug. Glad I didn't use the top of the microwave to store random junk mail on or some such.
[21:01:53] <Deucalion> It still makes all the right noises - fans sound like they go, table turns, lights come on etc. But I'm too much of a pussy to run it with the outer skin off lest it cook me or wipe out radio reception for a 100mile radius :D
[21:02:12] <Deucalion> Then it gets really really hot
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[22:39:35] <Deucalion> Bytram++
[22:39:35] <Bender> karma - bytram: 173
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[23:38:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amount of Information in Visible Universe Quantified - https://sylnt.us
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