#soylent | Logs for 2021-08-13

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[00:15:13] <c0lo> Hey, bytram, any idea why all journal entries render everything that follows the first <a href> link as it extends to the end of the journal? Did somebody released some code past QA or what?
[00:16:27] <Bytram> c0lo: do you have a link?
[00:25:28] <c0lo> Hmmm... Happens intermitently, may be related to any rendering of the Journal entry after you mod a comment in it.
[00:26:17] <c0lo> Once I got out to the main S/N page and then came back to the same journal, everything rendered fine.
[00:27:11] <Bytram> c0lo: link to journal, please?
[00:27:51] <c0lo> I modded this comment and, after the mod was applied, it happened https://soylentnews.org
[00:27:52] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | #freearistarchus ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:29:42] <Bytram> clicky
[00:36:46] <Bytram> c0lo: Looks fine to me (I'm busy reading the story's comments atm)
[00:38:13] <Bytram> usually, if I notice strange formatting, I try refreshing the page while also bypassing anything my browser may have cached (pressing Ctrl+F5 in Firefox)...
[00:38:27] <Bytram> that usually clears things up.
[00:42:17] <Bytram> NB: there seems to me a slow "something" (memory leak?) happening on the site. Pops up very roughly 2-4 weeks apart. I restarted Apache a day ago, which forces it to read everything fresh from the DB again. IOW, this problem (CSS rendering problems), based on prior experience should probably not recur for a few weeks.
[00:57:34] <c0lo> Heh, https://soylentnews.org - all the journal entries are "fucked-up-links rendered" in Firefox (even after Shift-refresh). The same page looks fine in Chrome (which I prolly opened more than half a year ago)
[00:57:35] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of aristarchus (2645)
[01:00:24] <c0lo> And, coming back to the same from another chain of clickety, gets to render the page fine.
[01:06:38] <Bytram> clicky
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[01:07:41] <Bytram> quick glance (again in FF, v91.0 on Linux) looks fine
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[01:10:37] <Bytram> c0lo: I've seen strange formatting of links appear on the site when anything *other* that just an HREF= appears in an anchor tag.
[01:10:43] <Bytram> in this case, I see:
[01:10:50] <Bytram> These need to be exposed. So, first, <a href="https://popular.info/p/the-obscure-foundation-funding-critical" title="popular.info">The Fine Article: from Popular Information</a>
[01:10:52] <systemd> ^ 03Popular Information ( https://popular.info )
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[01:11:47] <Bytram> So, it could be that this part of the link is problematic: title="popular.info"
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[01:20:48] <c0lo> Interesting.
[01:20:52] <c0lo> bytram++
[01:20:52] <Bender> karma - bytram: 170
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[01:22:21] <Penelope> The furor over some mod squad is rather amusing, IMO
[01:23:00] <Penelope> The "other side" pretends that they don't have their own moderation squad that gangs up on the "wrong" ideas and opinions.
[01:25:04] * Penelope runs along to spend her mod points wisely
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[01:30:42] <AzumaHazuki> ....was....was that a Penelope pit stop?
[01:36:10] <Bytram> c0lo: thanks. I've run into it *many* times on bot subs. Dunno why once an anchor element containing extra, non-"href=" stuff would behave that way, but I've seen it happen countless times. I trim the excess and then all seems okay. ::shrug::
[01:37:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Perseids Meteor Shower Peaks August 11-13 - https://sylnt.us - local-space-weather
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[03:08:50] <c0lo> Hmmm... you mean the rehash doesn't sanitize the attributes of the <a> in journal entries?
[03:09:02] * c0lo goes to give it a try
[03:13:32] <c0lo> bytram, it doesn't seem to be the case. The "title" attribute is generated by rehash; even when I use it, its value is overwritten.
[03:20:55] <c0lo> The behaviour seems to be consistent to "Ignore all attributes but href, generate a title attribute with a value set to the domain name"
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[03:56:18] <Runaway1956> huh - I think I have a pretty good arch linux install
[03:56:50] <Runaway1956> it took a bit of extra work to get vbox guest additions working, but I think it's working right now
[04:01:02] <t3> a deer just /hissed/ at me
[04:02:01] <t3> the bastards are going to become jerky with that attitude
[04:04:42] <AzumaHazuki> those are the zombie deer
[04:04:44] <AzumaHazuki> don't eat them
[04:16:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Travellers Rage as Vodafone Brings Back Data Roaming Charges - https://sylnt.us - read-the-small-print-before-signing
[04:16:42] <Ellenor> if ever I release my own KFBSD distribution, should I speak of it here
[04:34:05] <c0lo> =submit https://freenews.live
[04:34:34] <Ellenor> eeeeeee
[04:37:52] <c0lo> too breaking that one
[04:39:26] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[04:39:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Germany Won't Give Money to Afghanistan If Sharia Law Introduced -Foreign Minister" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:42:42] <c0lo> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[04:42:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Climate Change is Making People Think Twice About Having Children" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[06:25:42] <chromas> #smake Runaway1956
[06:25:42] * MrPlow smakes Runaway1956 upside the head with a ration
[06:25:51] <chromas> Metal straws are pretty great
[06:26:03] <chromas> They don't get that gross taste after sitting in water for a couple hours
[06:26:12] <chromas> Biodegradable plastic was a misteak
[06:27:10] <chromas> "Hey, how about making the plastic break down so it gets into everything and does unpredictable and irreversible damage to the ecosystem instead of letting it sit inert until we come up with better recycling technology?"
[06:27:50] <chromas> and then when they discover microplastics everywhere, surprised pikachu face
[06:27:58] <chromas> it's like when they pressed Lockout Changes in Wargames
[06:33:23] <boru> I agree.
[06:33:33] <FatPhil> microplastics clogging up the environment are more the non-biodegradable plastics. the biodegradable ones do break down eventually, it's just not as quick as we'd like.
[06:35:10] <FatPhil> compostable plastics are the ones people should have been focussing on. Or just training people to reuse long-lasting bags many times. I'm not sure why that's so hard.
[06:35:38] <boru> Or just stop using plastic and go back to other recyclable food containers like glass.
[06:35:48] <boru> Or paper, whatever.
[06:36:01] <FatPhil> When I go shopping, I always have a rucksack, because, when I was picking up my shoppinglist, I had an awareness that a shop was about to occur.
[06:36:10] <FatPhil> Paper's pretty terrible for the environment
[06:36:23] <FatPhil> needs ~50x re-use or something
[06:36:29] <boru> Better than plastic, it's more easily recyclable.
[06:37:03] <FatPhil> less of a disaster in the hands of lazy fucks, yes
[06:37:09] * boru nods.
[06:37:26] <boru> That said, I wonder if it would make our deforestation problem worse than it already is.
[06:37:39] <FatPhil> but it's still not even that biodegradable. It'll be recognisably a bag in 100 years.
[06:37:48] <boru> Replanting isn't so much of a problem as felling old growth.
[06:38:01] <FatPhil> If it incentivises use of forests, it incentivises planting forests too.
[06:38:21] <FatPhil> The biggest planters of trees in Finland are the paper mills
[06:38:27] <boru> Sure, but it doesn't stop one of the major problems of deforestation which is felling old growth.
[06:38:59] <boru> Trees make oxygen, old growth supports an entire ecosystem, including other trees.
[06:39:34] <FatPhil> not all forests are created equal - and in some it's not the trees that are supporting everything. The amazon is kept alive by microbiota.
[06:39:52] <FatPhil> fell the trees, regret it years later, and you can't replant trees, as the microbiota have gone.
[06:39:53] <boru> People seem to misunderstand even the importance of desertification to the environment with respect to trees.
[06:40:13] <boru> The Amazon is partially kept alive by dust from the Sahara desert.
[06:41:01] <boru> The microbiota are kept alive by old growth. It's quite an incredible system.
[06:41:19] <boru> How fungi and old growth support the entire forest.
[06:41:33] <boru> I have a great book about it, but I'm sure there are documentaries also.
[06:42:13] <FatPhil> BBC's /Nature's Microworlds/ 2012
[06:43:02] <FatPhil> yeah, the microbiota need the trees and the trapping of the minerals. Once the good stuff's leached away, bye-bye biota.
[06:43:32] <boru> I was trying to find one in particular on odysee, but it's only on youtube, alas.
[06:43:52] <boru> I will see if it's on bitchute
[06:44:00] <FatPhil> During lockdown, the Beeb's been recycling a whole load of old nature documentary series. We've gorged ourselves, it's been great.
[06:44:21] <boru> Yeah, shame they haven't continued to focus on their original goal in that respect.
[06:44:34] <FatPhil> It's about the only thing they're doing right nowadays.
[06:45:22] <boru> David Attenborough will be a big loss when he goes.
[06:45:36] <FatPhil> The comedy's picked up a bit now they've got a mandate to stop being so bloody politically biased. (Which they had forever, but never acted on)
[06:45:56] <FatPhil> The man who made tennis balls yellow - fact!
[06:47:16] <FatPhil> he was controller of the BBC during the transition to colour, and he suggested to wimbledon that it would make better telly if the balls were more visible, and it was such a success it stuck.
[06:48:54] <boru> I didn't know that. Wtf.
[06:49:25] <FatPhil> Ah, yes, QI, that's another good thing that the Beeb does.
[06:51:22] <FatPhil> Someone leaked a 2+-hour long Zoom recording of a not-yet-released program a couple of weeks back. The reason the editing sometimes seems brutal is because the editing has to be brutal. The uncut version did flow reasonably well, good bants, I'd probably watch it in preference to the cut one.
[07:06:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Valve's Upcoming Steam Deck Will be Based on Arch Linux--Not Debian - https://sylnt.us - cutting-edge
[07:07:09] <chromas> from the btw-I-run-arch dept.
[07:08:18] <c0lo> Paper... papyrus. Like the reed, right? Seems that's possible to make paper of reeds, except one needs water and it's a bit harder to harvest than trees.
[07:09:16] <boru> I understand why they want to use a rolling release; proton needs newer wines to keep up for steam play.
[07:09:26] <chromas> Cross breed your grass to run on salt water and grow it out in the ocean
[07:09:53] <c0lo> How about we plant more elephants? https://www.youtube.com
[07:09:57] <systemd> ^ 03Turning elephant dung into paper
[07:10:37] <chromas> shits to sheets, next, on Sick Sad World
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[07:13:16] <c0lo> Besides, cereal straws is suitable as well. A bit more silica in the composition, but this opens a new dimension for TP.
[07:13:55] <c0lo> s/is suitable/is a suitable raw material/
[07:13:55] <SedBot> <c0lo> Besides, cereal straws is a suitable raw material as well. A bit more silica in the composition, but this opens a new dimension for TP.
[07:19:29] <c0lo> =submit so-it-has-come-to-this https://www.newsweek.com
[07:19:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03U.S. and Taiwan Coast Guards to Hold First Joint Drills at Sea: Report" (65p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:27:35] <FatPhil> can some gods grant me some more modpoints - the spamfire hasn't been fully put out yet
[07:28:18] * chromas spawns 100,000 mod points
[07:30:41] <c0lo> =doi 10.1038/d41586-021-02167-5
[07:30:43] <systemd> Journal Reference: The world must cooperate to avoid a catastrophic space collision, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-021-02167-5">10.1038/d41586-021-02167-5</a>)
[07:31:23] <c0lo> =submit https://doi.org
[07:31:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The World Must Cooperate to Avoid a Catastrophic Space Collision" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:32:46] <c0lo> =submit https://techxplore.com
[07:32:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03US Legislation Aims to Break Grip on App Stores" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:06:52] <FatPhil> chuck some my way, then, you selfish bugger!
[08:08:29] <chromas> What makes you think you deserve some app stores?
[08:09:04] <chromas> Would it be abuse to use the bot's account to spammod?
[08:09:24] <chromas> Actually I don't think I've used any of my own. Link me some moddable comments, dawgg skillet
[08:09:49] <chromas> I've finished this keyboard. Looks like shite
[08:09:57] <chromas> Yes, definitely shite
[08:10:16] <FatPhil> just see my recent 20 mods, that's the story where most are
[08:11:12] <chromas> oh, ari's shitpost?
[08:11:49] * chromas saves his precious points
[08:11:49] <FatPhil> but to be honest, this is ineffectual gwhackamole - the "disable anonymous posting from this address" switch needs to be flicked, spam mods aren't even an elastoplast, as the posts are still usually visible.
[08:13:15] <FatPhil> one of the wackos' journals, yup, I forget which one.
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[08:39:30] <chromas> https://www.msn.com
[08:39:31] <systemd> ^ 03Japan mayor apologizes for biting athlete's gold medal
[08:39:50] <chromas> probably thought it was gelt
[08:45:22] <raxas> japan is failing, they lost the pumpkin to the storm
[08:45:28] <raxas> On Monday, Tropical Storm Lupit apparently damaged Yayoi Kusama’s "Yellow Pumpkin," an icon of Kagawa Prefecture's Naoshima. Residents have been known to move the sculpture when powerful storms threaten to uproot the artwork, but it was unclear why they did not this time.
[08:45:59] <chromas> They did it...or didn't do it on purpose
[08:46:33] <FatPhil> giant inflatable pumpkins are a dime a dozen, in fact they come round for free every 4 years even when you don't want one, boom tish
[08:55:30] <raxas> the old lady is 92, psych https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:55:32] <systemd> ^ 03Yayoi Kusama - Wikipedia
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[09:04:29] <c0lo> =submit teach-them-younger https://www.nbcnews.com
[09:04:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Toddler Shoots, Kills Mom During Video Call After Finding Gun, Florida Police Say" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:08:07] <raxas> what next? ban toddlers to save the moms...
[09:11:50] <c0lo> Looks easier to ban toddlers than to ban guns in US, raxas, yes.
[09:12:17] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theregister.com
[09:12:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Huawei Stole Our Tech and Created a 'Backdoor' to Spy on Pakistan, Claims IT Biz" (24p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:14:40] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[09:17:30] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1038/s41928-021-00631-8 https://techxplore.com
[09:17:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Researchers Take Step Toward Next-generation Brain-computer Interface System" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:27:43] <c0lo> =g We can't live forever
[09:27:44] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Queen - Who Wants To Live Forever (Official Video) - YouTube
[09:29:17] <chromas> https://phys.org
[09:29:18] <systemd> ^ 03Climate change will transform cooling effects of volcanic eruptions, study suggests
[09:29:24] <chromas> cooling supervolcano when
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[09:46:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Aluminum Cans Slowly Replace Plastics to Tackle Marine Pollution in Japan - https://sylnt.us - what-goes-around-comes-around
[09:52:44] <c0lo> Whatabout aluminium cannots?
[10:04:30] <chromas> they're unable
[10:08:11] <c0lo> I was hoping they quickly replace plastic.
[10:08:39] <c0lo> =submit https://medienportal.univie.ac.at
[10:08:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Modeling Uncovers an "Atomic Waltz" for Atom Manipulation" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:09:30] <inz> If cans contain things inside, then cannots must hold the thing outside. Hence a soda cannot would make us all drown.
[10:13:13] <c0lo> Fine with me, I'll float. Just replace plastic faster
[10:13:54] <c0lo> =submit https://www.ucl.ac.uk
[10:13:56] <raxas> not exactly if Klein made those cannots cans
[10:13:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Fifth of People Report a Complete Relationship Breakdown in the Past Year" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:14:51] <chromas> would that be a de-Klein?
[10:15:11] <inz> ENOTENOUGHDIMENSIONS
[10:15:16] <chromas> or an in-Klein
[10:19:34] <inz> I guess you need an in-Klein to hold a USB-A connector
[10:20:20] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1126/scirobotics.abf9710 https://www.techexplorist.com
[10:20:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03What Makes Fish Fins So Strong Yet Flexible?" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:24:53] <raxas> =submit https://www.rt.com
[10:24:59] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Julian Assange is a Political Prisoner Worn Down by a Rigged Judicial System That Will Never Stop Se" (35p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:28:00] <c0lo> =submit https://doi.org
[10:28:22] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Inaugural BMC Ecology and Evolution Image Competition: the Winning Images" (37p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:28:46] <c0lo> Very nice photos ^^^
[10:29:34] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[10:29:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Julian Assange Loses Court Battle to Stop US Expanding Extradition Appeal" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:34:59] <raxas> those insect photos are staged. lights from multiple directions are obviously arranged. that's not nature, but a lab
[10:36:17] <chromas> labs are natural
[10:36:22] <chromas> just ask wuhan
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[10:41:04] <raxas> I remember evolution biologist some 40 years ago, who insisted smoking factories are nature too. he considered industry as natural system evolved from biology stage
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[10:44:23] <raxas> https://cs.wikipedia.org
[10:44:24] <systemd> ^ 03Zdeněk Neubauer – Wikipedie
[10:44:39] <c0lo> =submit https://today.duke.edu
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[10:47:51] <c0lo> =submit koala-face-recognition https://www.qut.edu.au
[10:47:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03QUT Scales Up Search for Koalas With AI Hub" (27p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:50:56] <c0lo> =submit runs-faster-on-oil https://news.mit.edu
[10:50:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Why Boiling Droplets Can Race Across Hot Oily Surfaces" (35p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:54:02] <c0lo> =submit blue-hydrogen-is-black https://doi.org
[10:55:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How Green is Blue Hydrogen?" (73p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:57:46] <boru> When they say blue hydrogen, I presume they mean H-beta?
[10:57:58] <boru> In the Balmer series, obviously.
[10:58:27] <boru> Apparently not.
[10:58:29] <boru> Nevermind.
[10:58:52] <boru> They mean green as in ecological, not green as in the colour.
[10:59:14] <c0lo> Well, h-beta is emitting too.
[10:59:29] <boru> At those temperatures?
[11:00:10] <boru> H-beta tyically requires fairly energetic emissions, and I think it's a forbidden emission if my memory serves me.
[11:02:42] <boru> Well yes, of course it's forbidden since atomic H isn't stable on Earth.
[11:02:57] <boru> And they're burning molecular H (H2)
[11:03:33] * boru kldload basic_physics.ko && kldload coffee.ko
[11:09:04] <c0lo> How do you think it makes a line in thee mission spectrum if it's not emitting?
[11:09:31] <c0lo> s/ee/e/
[11:09:31] <SedBot> <c0lo> How do you think it makes a line in the mission spectrum if it's not emitting?
[11:09:40] <c0lo> =submit https://viterbischool.usc.edu
[11:09:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Is Your Mobile Provider Tracking Your Location? This New Technology Could Stop It. - USC Viterbi" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:10:24] <boru> Which?
[11:11:17] <boru> I am talking about energetic emissions, whereas that paper is discussing carbon emisssions.
[11:11:39] <boru> The Balmer series are energetic emissions produced by photon decay.
[11:12:00] <boru> Err, photonic emissions produced by electron decay, even.
[11:18:20] <raxas> can't we have just mesons for everything instead of funny protons or electrons
[11:18:38] <FatPhil> =yt V83JR2IoI8k
[11:18:38] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science (03:49; 4,771,695 views; 👍62,930 👎1,524)
[11:19:32] <c0lo> boru, I graduated physics, my humor may have suffered as a consequence.
[11:20:30] <c0lo> =submit do-as-a-tibetan-does https://www.binghamton.edu
[11:20:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Research Shows Just 8 Weeks of Meditation Studies Can Make Your Brain Quicker - Binghamton News" (27p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:23:04] <c0lo> =submit fungus-face-recognition https://news.cornell.edu
[11:23:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Facial Recognition AI Helps Save Multibillion Dollar Grape Crop" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:24:11] <boru> It is Friday, and it has been a long week. You'll have to forgive my overlooking sarcasm and humour.
[11:25:13] <c0lo> =submit same-drugs-moar-patents https://news.epfl.ch
[11:25:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Database Could Accelerate Drug Repurposing for Various Diseases" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:25:41] <c0lo> boru, no worries mate.
[11:32:17] <c0lo> =submit blow-up-yellowstone-already https://doi.org
[11:33:13] <c0lo> =submit blow-up-yellowstone-already https://www.nature.com
[11:34:15] <c0lo> systemd doesn't like nature. Does it live in its mother's basement?
[11:36:36] <c0lo> =submit lampreys-will-be-excited https://news.epfl.ch
[11:36:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Swimming Robot Gives Fresh Insight Into Locomotion and Neuroscience" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:36:46] <boru> Probably written in python or something, and it has expanded to fill all of the memory on the machine and been OOM'd.
[11:37:33] <c0lo> Nah, it's in D. Must be something related with its author.
[11:39:06] <boru> If that were the case, it'd be written in powershite.
[11:39:19] <FatPhil> The problem is that since he's been in Oz, c0lo's replaced all bosons with bogans.
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[11:55:04] <FatPhil> wait? didn't I kick jman for his renick spam?
[11:55:54] <FatPhil> seems like it's every 70 minutes
[11:58:43] <boru> You can ban them and forward them to another channel e.g. #fix_your_fing_connection if it's that.
[11:58:52] <boru> I don't see it, because I have a smart filter plugin.
[11:59:12] <boru> I only see joins/parts/nicks for people who have been active in the channel in the last few minutes.
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[12:01:04] <FatPhil> sounds like a useful filter
[12:01:43] <boru> That is is. Fairly sure most clients have some equivalent available; this is smartfilter.pl for irssi with a few modications of my own.
[12:03:04] <FatPhil> found its github...
[12:04:59] <raxas> it's a script, the second renick is always 1 minute
[12:05:28] <boru> Could be something like my auto-ghost script if they d/c
[12:05:33] <boru> Does one of the nicks TO?
[12:07:23] <raxas> no. it's signal. conways new data in SoyGuest, renick is sync
[12:07:32] <FatPhil> yeah, that's why I had no qualms about kicking it/him last time, there clearly had been nothing sentient behind it for many days.
[12:09:23] <FatPhil> the 1 minute gap is the ircd doing the ejection from the registered nick
[12:09:31] <FatPhil> the 70 minute gap is the script
[12:09:35] <c0lo> FatPhil, I assure you bogans have nothing to do with systemd and d. Ask chromas if you don't believe me.
[12:12:18] <c0lo> =submit https://www.sheffield.ac.uk
[12:12:22] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03The Covid-19 Pandemic Has Widened the Gap Between the Rich and the Poor, and It's Not Finished Yet" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:13:26] <c0lo> ^^^ Not a problem if you can convince the pitchforker that the torch-bearers want to steal their pitchfork.
[12:17:46] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1038/s41586-021-03698-7 is-that-your-pocket-or-are-you-glad... https://www.ntu.edu.sg'smart'-fabric-that-can-stiffen-on-demand
[12:17:51] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'Smart' Fabric That Can Stiffen on Demand" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:20:14] <c0lo> =submit https://www.qut.edu.au
[12:20:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Hoo’s There? Citizen Scientists Needed to Identify Australian Owl Calls" (34p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:22:34] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1016/j.erss.2021.102208 lotsa-if-you-have-there https://www.sussex.ac.uk
[12:22:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Petrostates’ Global Influence Could Endure Beyond the Dominance of Fossil Fuels" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:24:37] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1016/j.irfa.2021.101812 https://www.sussex.ac.uk
[12:24:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Dollar Green: Stocks in Environmentally-minded Firms Fare Better Than Their Polluting Peers" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:28:38] <raxas> that article is flawed. it completely misses russia's hydrogen strategy. in 2030, russia will be top hydrogen exporter on this planet. because, cheap nuclear power and unlimited hydrocarbons sources
[12:29:04] <raxas> relevant facilities already under construction
[12:30:55] <c0lo> whenever hydrocarbon enters in the equation as a hydrogen source, it will be rejected.
[12:31:40] <c0lo> Otherwise, yes, the assumptions in that paper are flawed.
[12:35:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Highest-Ever Recorded European Temperature Apparently Logged in Sicily - https://sylnt.us
[12:35:55] <raxas> it's the core reason why russians are not freaking with electro cars, they have already hydrogen engines ready
[12:37:02] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1126/scirobotics.abe4088 now-do-like-a-tuna https://engineering.virginia.edu
[12:37:05] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08A Robotic Fish Tail and an Elegant Math Ratio Could Inform the Design of Next-Generation Underwater " (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:39:18] <raxas> =submit https://www.bakermckenzie.com
[12:39:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NotFound | Baker McKenzie" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:40:15] <raxas> =submit https://www.bakermckenzie.com
[12:40:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Russia Taking a Stand in Global Hydrogen Race" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:40:46] <raxas> =submit https://www.pv-magazine.com
[12:40:49] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03The Hydrogen Stream: Russia Unveils Hydrogen Strategy, Germany Provides More Funds for power-to-X" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:42:14] <raxas> lolbot gladly submits a 404 :]
[12:43:16] <c0lo> =submit doi-10.1371/journal.pone.0254434 https://www.sciencedaily.com
[12:43:21] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Belief in Social Darwinism Linked to Dysfunctional Psychological Characteristics, Study Finds: Socia" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:45:47] <c0lo> Yeah, raxas, I understood that the Russians believe hydrogen from hydrocarbon is a winning proposition. My assertion is they are wrong.
[12:46:47] <raxas> =submit https://www.morganlewis.com
[12:46:51] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Russia Releases Hydrogen Roadmap" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:47:24] <raxas> your assertion is wrong. top financials are already flocking there
[12:47:49] <raxas> it's end of dollar
[12:48:01] <raxas> s/dollar/petrodollar/
[12:48:01] <SedBot> <raxas> it's end of petrodollar
[12:54:19] <c0lo> Mate, Australia has moments in which there's a glut of electrical power. Frequent enough lately. From the 1/3 of homes having installed solar panels.
[12:55:31] <c0lo> It's only a matter of time for someone to restart those aluminium smelters to produce sheets for aluminium-air battery, recycling the aluminium hydroxyde in the process.
[12:55:53] <c0lo> I'll give it probably 10 years or so.
[12:57:42] <c0lo> Other chemistries to convert excess electricity in storable energy exist too - https://patents.google.com
[12:58:36] <FatPhil> chemistry not necessary, potential energy exists in many forms
[12:58:37] <c0lo> If you have enough energy, hydrogen is not bound to hydrocarbons.
[12:59:04] <raxas> you can't invade siberia riding your electric tanks
[12:59:34] <c0lo> FatPhil, chemistry has the nice advantage of being transportable.
[12:59:57] <c0lo> raxas, who the hell talks about invading Siberia?
[13:00:30] <c0lo> Besides, a tank will function well with methanol.
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[13:03:00] <FatPhil> that might be an advantage, but it wasn't in your requirements
[13:04:24] <c0lo> Implicitly it was. Hydrogen is a fuel one can transport in a fuel tank for mobility.
[13:06:59] <c0lo> Here, raxas, a way to obtain hydrogen on the go https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:07:00] <systemd> ^ 03Sodium aluminate - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[13:07:17] <c0lo> aluminium + caustic soda
[13:07:50] <c0lo> Both of them obtainable via electricity.
[13:22:11] <raxas> well even if do not invade, those russians still have to defend siberia with their non-electric tanks and trucks. electric toycars may look fancy to woke city population, but not good enough for wilderness, especially in winter
[13:29:32] <FatPhil> they'll ride in on wooly mammoths
[13:31:36] <raxas> surely mammoths are carbon-bad, worse than cows
[13:32:41] <FatPhil> per-mammoth, yes. I'm not proposing a billion mammoths
[13:33:42] <FatPhil> "The head of the World Health Organization’s origin investigation into COVID-19 has admitted that China basically ordered his team on what to write in their report and allowed them to mention the lab leak theory, but only on the condition that they didn’t recommend following it up."
[13:34:19] <FatPhil> Can we publicly hang, draw, and quarter Peter Ballszack now?
[13:34:37] <FatPhil> and everyone who sucked up to him
[13:34:53] <c0lo> Defend whatever they like, raxas, not like I'll cry after the money they'll waste in the process.
[13:43:33] <raxas> =submit https://www.spglobal.com
[13:43:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Russia’s Hydrogen Bet Sets Up Contest With Australia for Japanese Market" (35p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:46:11] <raxas> frankly, your solar pancakes cannot compete with nuclear plants for the price of primal energy source to hydrogen industry
[13:48:53] <c0lo> Then use that energy to get hydrogen from water and we're good.
[13:49:24] <c0lo> And please stop pointing to russian dicks, I'm in no mood for a pissing contest.
[13:50:39] <c0lo> All I said is the current energy producers from dinojuice will lose their influencing power in the future.
[13:50:57] <c0lo> Arab states and Russia included.
[13:53:23] <t3> less people buying gas > lower prices for other petroleum products > more demand for super-cheap plastics, jet fuel, etc
[13:53:41] <boru> Natural gas producers will continue to do well until battery technology improves, though. Or unless we find another energy source whose output can be regulated in a short time span. That means Russia, China and probably North American by way of Canada.
[13:53:52] <boru> Jet fuel is about to be in trouble, also.
[13:54:14] <boru> By 2050, I think, burning jet fuel will be responsible for 25% of carbon emissions.
[13:54:51] <boru> And since biofuels are so much more expensive to produce with enough energy output for aviation, that means cheap flights are probably history as well.
[13:55:16] <t3> who is going to be able to convince any military to let go of their planes?
[13:55:31] <boru> I really wish there was more research and funding to make current technologies more efficient, or to find new battery technologies etc.
[13:56:14] <boru> AFAIK, the militaries are the people leading the research to find alternative fuels to mitigate reliance on some nations with whom they may one day be at war with.
[13:57:22] * c0lo goes to invent shipstone, just hold my beer
[13:57:44] <t3> relevant for europe and china, but the US, Russia, and many others have no reason to adopt other fuels
[13:58:14] <boru> Time will tell.
[13:59:24] <FatPhil> I reckon some time in the mid-40s, nucleal will make a huge impact
[13:59:28] <boru> If a better fuel (higher flashpoint, lower freezing point, higher energy output, cheaper source) comes along, I'd say they'll switch.
[13:59:36] <FatPhil> modulo typing
[13:59:51] <boru> I wish they'd get their act together with fusion. They've been at it ages.
[14:00:21] <boru> For large scale production, I see smaller thorium reactors operating at local level.
[14:00:26] <FatPhil> I wish they'd get their act together with Thorium/salt. That will give them a couple of hundred more years to work out fusion.
[14:00:43] <boru> Then at some point in the future, when fusion is "safe", that will probably deprecate some of that system.
[14:01:08] <boru> I agree. We'd have been there already if it wasn't for the MIC.
[14:01:17] <boru> They went with uranium because it had higher yield for weapons.
[14:01:41] <FatPhil> I want Estonia to start looking into Nuclear, specifically Thorium, and I don't care about the scale. Micro's fine, that will serve us well.
[14:01:51] <boru> Plus it'd solve the thorium disposal problem somewhat.
[14:02:19] <boru> It's a very toxic byproduct of several electronic manufacturing processes.
[14:02:37] <boru> Which at the moment is just dumped in coal mines etc.
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[14:11:30] <FatPhil> We have bugger all of our own energy, apart from shale (we're responsible for some of the fraking tech in the US!), I'd really like us able to start having enough to *sell* too.
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[14:11:51] <FatPhil> I genuinely think that energy will be one of the most important commodities in the future.
[14:12:52] <FatPhil> Even if that's decades away, now is the time to get in the lead.
[14:17:39] <c0lo> Recomended - nice to hear the supersonic crack unadulterated by engine noise or explosives https://www.youtube.com
[14:17:43] <systemd> ^ 03How to Build a Supersonic Trebuchet
[14:19:01] <chromas> Energy, you say. Bring back the Enron name!
[14:19:06] <c0lo> FatPhil, in one form or another, energy was always one of the most important commodities.
[14:20:20] <FatPhil> each time we come across a reservoir we think all our worries are over
[14:20:36] <FatPhil> that was black gold a century ago
[14:22:31] <chromas> texas tea
[14:22:57] <boru> You could do what we did and sell a large deposit you find off your coastline to an international petroleum company for peanuts (talking about the Corrib field)
[14:23:08] <boru> Bloody bellends.
[14:30:26] <c0lo> Power of solar radiation reaching Earth surface: 1.2e5TW. Power controlled by the whole humanity - about 20TW. Long way to Kardashev 1.
[14:32:41] <FatPhil> "Some opponents of the scheme cite concerns about the health, safety and environmental impact of the onshore aspects of the project. Others are concerned with alleged irregularities and precedents surrounding the project."
[14:59:25] <chromas> FF key seems to be the only one that repeats itself all the time
[14:59:55] * chromas blames ari
[15:15:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Launches £4m Fund to Run Fibre Optic Cables Through Water Pipes - https://sylnt.us - water-laced-with-leaking-porn?
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[17:55:07] <FatPhil> inz: now watching Pelle Miljoona live
[17:56:00] <FatPhil> I've seen him before, this is nothing that novel :)
[17:58:33] <inz> Did a 3000 km road trip one with my brother and his friend, a friend who insisted on playing Pelle the whole way.
[17:59:05] <inz> I think it had something to do with the fact that he needed to hide something in the bushes before we crossed the border.
[18:00:21] <FatPhil> even better, I'm sitting at the the end table of a local brewpub's terrace, with a great view of the stage
[18:00:36] <inz> nice
[18:02:48] <FatPhil> for roadtrips you need AC/DC surely
[18:02:58] <FatPhil> or status quo!
[18:04:06] <inz> Or the proclaimers
[18:05:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New BIOS Updates Will Make Windows 11 Support Less Annoying on Custom-built PCs - https://sylnt.us - planned-obsolescence
[18:05:38] <FatPhil> did you drive 500 miles?
[18:05:49] <inz> and 500 more
[18:05:52] <FatPhil> I've seen the proclaimers...
[18:06:08] <FatPhil> they were warming up before thhe gig
[18:06:13] <FatPhil> I didn't see the gig
[18:07:01] <FatPhil> was at some christain music godfellating festival, when I didn't have much brain.
[18:07:16] <inz> brains are overrated
[18:21:35] <FatPhil> I'm happier now I've evolved one
[18:26:21] <Runaway1956> We are making progress toward fiber internet - they have their own website now!! https://fourstatesfiber.com
[18:26:22] <systemd> ^ 03Four States Fiber - Powered by Southwest Arkansas Rural Electric Cooperative
[18:26:36] <Runaway1956> Not much of a site yet, but it's there, lol
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[18:32:20] <Runaway1956> =submit https://advrider.com
[18:32:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Big Brother Grows Bolder in the EU & UK - Adventure Rider" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:34:15] <Runaway1956> That seems to beg the question: How will these control systems work when there are no speed limit signs?
[18:34:48] <Runaway1956> Hop on your "adventure" bike, drive 70 miles to a trail, go offroad, and the bike just stops, LOL
[18:35:28] <Runaway1956> parenthetically, I dislike that "adventure" bike designation - it's just silly
[18:41:56] <FatPhil> lots of things are silly
[18:42:15] <FatPhil> some of them get elected
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[18:51:21] <raxas> c0lo: that submit was S&P global site. a wall street as pure hell. not exactly "russian dicks" as you say
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[18:53:12] <raxas> somewhat I expected a funny reaction like yours. unfortunately for stupid followers, true capital knows no friends
[18:53:43] <raxas> and respects only profit, not politics
[18:58:57] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.scientificamerican.com
[18:59:04] <AzumaHazuki> i don't have a dept. line for this. this is bloody awful.
[18:59:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Unraveling the Complex Link Between COVID and Diabetes" (112p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:07:18] <t3> these laser welders keep tempting to me sell off all my assets and buy one
[19:10:29] <Runaway1956> Why would you want to weld lasers together?
[19:10:50] <Runaway1956> Or, do you use the welder to attach your laser to a shark?
[19:17:18] <t3> https://lasersystems.ipgphotonics.com
[19:42:17] <Runaway1956> Wow - didn't realize how long it takes to encrypt a new virtual machine
[19:42:36] <Runaway1956> I think it's been an hour, and it's only 43% done
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[20:46:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Michael Bloomberg Join Forces to Mine for Raw Materials in Greenland - https://sylnt.us - Mine!-All-Mine!
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[20:54:44] <chromas> Not suspicious at all
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[21:40:46] <c0lo> raxas "Nuclear energy colossus Rosatom said it had launched a program for hydrogen production from excess nuclear energy"
[21:40:50] <c0lo> All good.
[21:41:23] <c0lo> Because "– via electrolysis –"
[21:45:18] <requerdanos> so-called clean hydrogen, as opposed to hydrogen liberated from petrochemicals
[21:46:37] <chromas> Should be getting it from clean coal, for a double dose of clean
[21:47:21] <requerdanos> "they take the coal and they clean it" "windmills, the sound causes cancer"
[21:48:10] <chromas> grab that coal by the pussy!
[21:48:50] <chromas> =yt fhritp
[21:48:51] <systemd> https://youtube.com - FHRITP: Reporter confronts men who bombarded her with vulgarity (01:18; 5,802,072 views; 👍10,004 👎3,087)
[21:51:18] <chromas> "Comments are turned off."
[21:51:19] <chromas> of course
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[22:36:03] <c0lo> =submit https://www.businessinsider.com
[22:36:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03UK Defense Secretary: International Community Will Likely 'Pay' for Trump Deal With Taliban" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:36:39] <requerdanos> His favorite kind of deal, someone else pays. Total success.
[22:43:58] <c0lo> https://www.google.com
[22:43:59] <systemd> ^ 03embassy close afghanistan - Google Search
[22:45:51] <c0lo> https://www.nbcnews.com
[22:45:52] <systemd> ^ 03Parent attacks teacher after mask dispute on first day of school in California district, official says
[22:48:13] <requerdanos> in each and every "mask dispute" so far, it's been the antimasker nutjob who has been the aggressor.
[22:48:23] <requerdanos> almost a pattern forming.
[22:50:58] <c0lo> =submit https://www.aljazeera.com
[22:51:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pakistani Forces Clash With Afghan Protesters at Border Crossing" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:53:50] <c0lo> =submit https://www.quantamagazine.org
[22:53:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Physicists Create a Bizarre ‘Wigner Crystal’ Made Purely of Electrons" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:55:11] <c0lo> =submit https://www.vice.com
[22:55:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Zillow, Other Tech Firms are in an ‘Arms Race’ to Buy Up American Homes" (33p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:56:35] <c0lo> https://www.theguardian.com
[22:56:36] <systemd> ^ 03California man charged with killing his children claimed he was ‘enlightened by QAnon’, FBI says
[22:57:02] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
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[22:58:42] <c0lo> =submit https://www.commondreams.org
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[23:05:07] <requerdanos> "oil and gas" ... "fueling" ha ha, i get it
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