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[00:47:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook is a Hub of Sex Trafficking Recruitment in the US, Report Says - https://sylnt.us - more-you-know
[00:49:16] <t3> I imagine facebook is a major hub for any kind of recruitment in the US
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[03:16:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mr. Trash Wheel is Gobbling Up Millions of Pounds of Trash - https://sylnt.us - not-so-good-at-counting
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[04:37:07] <Runaway1956> Fort Smith mass shooter put down before he reached critical mass
[04:37:14] <Runaway1956> https://www.5newsonline.com
[04:37:15] <systemd> ^ 03Fort Smith Police investigate shooting that left 2 people dead
[04:38:21] <Runaway1956> Good guy with a Mossberg put a stop to that!
[04:38:34] <Runaway1956> https://www.sportsmans.com
[04:38:36] <systemd> ^ 03Mossberg MVP Predator Rifle
[05:03:04] <AzumaHazuki> the new windows "11" looks like something you could have done in kde plasma 6 years ago. in fact, i bet it's already being copied
[05:48:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Senate Confirms Lina Khan to Federal Trade Commission in a 69-28 Vote - https://sylnt.us
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[06:51:13] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.upi.com SURGE THAT BORDER, BABY!!
[06:51:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Biden Administration Expands Central American Minors Program" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:56:05] <FatPhil> Framatome is a French nuclear reactor business. It is owned by Électricité de France (EDF) (75.5%), Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (19.5%), and Assystem (5%).
[06:56:09] <FatPhil> Assystem
[06:56:30] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.smh.com.au I'll skip that bucket list item.
[06:56:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Peru Elections: Pedro Castillo Claims Victory" (40p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:56:49] <FatPhil> no wonder Taishan 1's letting off dangerous little farts right now
[06:57:16] <Runaway1956> Without an assystem, your headsystem would be fokked
[07:00:02] <Runaway1956> =submit https://kfor.com
[07:00:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cherokee Nation AG Adds Charges Against Oklahoma Woman Accused of Election Fraud in Council Race" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:09:59] <janrinok> Runaway1956, how many of these subs do you think we will publish, bearing in mind the main focus of our site?
[07:10:27] <janrinok> They are prime material for you journal.
[07:10:40] <janrinok> s/you/your/
[07:10:40] <SedBot> <janrinok> They are prime material for your journal.
[07:22:16] <chromas> he's just trying to keep up with ari
[07:42:49] <FatPhil> Nonsense, the stories are totally bonerific, man
[07:43:27] <FatPhil> hmmm, but he failed to sub the bonerific ones. Runaway1956, up your game!
[08:05:25] <chromas> failed to sub. maybe he just didn't wanna be below the bone
[08:17:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Starlink Dishes Go into "Thermal Shutdown" Once They Hit 122° Fahrenheit - https://sylnt.us - Dishy-McFlatface
[08:23:22] <chromas> the internet has no chill
[10:26:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Unplanned' Outages hit Texas Power Plants in Soaring Temperatures - https://sylnt.us
[10:36:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Unplanned' Outages Hit Texas Power Plants in Soaring Temperatures - https://sylnt.us
[13:30:11] * Teckla peers at Bender
[14:24:26] <FatPhil> he's been doing that since forever
[14:24:57] <FatPhil> sometimes with a much larger interval, I don't remember it being as near as 10 minutes, normally it's about an hour
[14:26:46] <FatPhil> bots--
[14:26:46] <Bender> karma - bots: -53
[14:44:09] <Teckla> Well, he is, after all, only running a meager 6502.
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[14:47:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 11 Build Leaks Ahead of Launch - https://sylnt.us - abandon-'ship'
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[15:02:49] <Teckla> Those Windows 11 UI changes don't look interesting to me. A fresh coat of paint over the same old surface.
[15:18:17] <Bytram> "Longhorn" redux?
[15:18:51] <chromas> What was wrong with Bender?
[15:19:04] <requerdanos> bender repeats a story if it gets edited
[15:19:31] <chromas> only when the headline changes, which is the only important part ;)
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[15:20:16] <Teckla> requerdanos: Ah, that makes sense. Is it possible for Bender to put [edited] at the end to when it's an update rather than a create?
[15:20:27] <Teckla> That would be neat. :)
[15:20:46] <requerdanos> bender is just reading the rss feed, and repeats because an edit apparently updated the rss feed.
[15:28:46] <Teckla> Ah, okay. Bummer!
[15:30:24] <FatPhil> so it's stateless apart from knowing the time it last ran?
[15:31:26] <requerdanos> that sounds like a logical conclusion, though I am only guessing and sounding knowledgeable.
[15:33:30] <t3> has anyone here actually used any of these decentralized chat apps for everyday use (tox, jami, briar)?
[15:33:46] <t3> =submit https://www.theregister.com
[15:33:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Realizing This is Getting Out of Hand, Coq Mulls New Name for Programming Language" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:33:54] <requerdanos> when I tried tox the sound quality was pretty bad
[15:34:20] <requerdanos> I tried both the utox and qtox clients. been about a year ago though.
[15:34:40] <FatPhil> https://edition.cnn.com
[15:34:43] <systemd> ^ 03Four people were rescued off a boat 'teetering' at the edge of a Texas dam, police say
[15:34:56] <Teckla> t3: Never heard of those decentralized chat apps, though the subject interests me. Thanks for mentioning them, so that I can check them out.
[15:35:07] <FatPhil> photo says that "teetering" didn't need scare quotes
[15:41:20] <t3> thanks, requerandos
[16:36:38] <progo> is "edition.cnn.com" still random CNN fans writing stories without being paid?
[16:36:48] <progo> or is it stringers, not being paid?
[16:37:15] <progo> I remember hearing something about "no one gets paid for stories" when that site launched
[16:41:31] <Bytram> Runaway1956: ^^^ what janrinok said. The SoylentNews' editorial staff volunteer their *limited* spare time. cf Aesop's Fable about the boy why cried wolf. Your submissions make *more* work for us. Please do not spam the submissions queue.
[16:44:54] <Bytram> Imagine you were an editor. No pay. Limited spare time. It's a beautiful day and you'd rather go outside and relax in the sun. And come upon these "spammed" submissions. How would YOU feel?
[16:45:56] <progo> ask the programmer nicely to add a shadow ban feature so the spammer sees his records but editors don't :^)
[16:46:12] <progo> I'm saying that mostly sarcastically
[16:47:20] <progo> I see someone greenlighted my single submission about freenode killing itself. I got the warmfuzzies
[16:48:09] <progo> I'm still somewhat in shock that they DELETED ALL CHANNELS AND USERS, without even trying to port the data over and simply require a password reset
[16:48:41] <progo> I mean, I stopped caring about "Freenode" a few weeks ago, but what kind of idiot junta is running it now?!
[16:49:54] <Bytram> Maybe they actually tried, discovered how difficult that would be, and just gave up? Screw it... Just nuke it and start fresh! :/
[16:50:39] <progo> the writer of the story I quoted also pointed out that they didn't pre-announce it or blog it, and are putting on the appearance of dumb incompetence
[16:51:10] <progo> oh well
[16:51:15] <progo> long live Libera.chat
[16:51:39] <progo> today I learned, also, next wednesday is the "third wednesday of june"
[16:51:59] <progo> Boston Linux and Unix meets on the third wednesday in june. without comment, the site says this month's meeting is next week :^)
[16:52:10] <FatPhil> I've realised some of my music is still on vinyl only, and I'd like to format-shift it as permitted by copyright law, so need an illegal download site - anyone got any suggestions?
[16:52:28] <FatPhil> In particular, I'm looking for Ted Nugent, as I'm a shittypants redneck.
[16:52:36] <progo> hmm... libgen only has texts, right FatPhil?
[16:52:46] <progo> Pirate Bay still lives
[16:52:51] <Bytram> progo: maybe they feared server load at the appointed day/hour would nuke the server(s)? That said, I agree that it certainly show VERY poor form and concern for the users.
[16:53:06] <progo> DO NOT ACCESS PIRATE BAY unless you know what you're doing and your browser is PARANOID
[16:53:13] <progo> it will try to eat your desktop
[16:54:07] <progo> FatPhil: have you considered digizing the records you possess?
[16:54:22] <FatPhil> pirate bay only has magnet links, most of which don't ever resolve
[16:54:36] <FatPhil> my record player is 2000km away...
[16:54:49] <progo> you need a portal gun
[16:54:52] <chromas> That's the only way to preserve the 'warmth' of teh vinyls
[16:55:13] <progo> just put your speakers on a coffee mug warmer
[16:55:35] <FatPhil> wear earmuffs?
[16:55:53] <chromas> The hairs, wow and flutter are as the artists intended
[16:55:58] <FatPhil> go down on someone while listening to the music?
[16:56:13] <chromas> no it's da vinyls, you touch yourself
[16:56:14] <FatPhil> This is Ted Nugent we're talking about, Wango Tango, anyone?
[16:56:46] <Bytram> =YT TED NUGENT
[16:56:47] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Ted Nugent - Stranglehold (08:25; 34,193,105 views; 👍181,250 👎11,780)
[16:56:55] <progo> FatPhil: there's a LOT of old not-licensed-to-share media, on archive.org
[16:56:59] <Bytram> hth ;)
[16:57:23] <FatPhil> I bought dupes of most of my vinyl on CD, as CD's better, and of course have all of those ripped. Every so often I find something I didn't buy a CD of.
[16:57:25] <Bytram> break time
[16:57:55] <chromas> is kick-ass torrents still around?
[16:58:28] <FatPhil> that got a bit dodgy and untrustworthy, I did find several things I needed there that were slightly obscure.
[16:58:32] <requerdanos> Not as such, no. When it evaporated, several other copycat sites appeared, none approching the real thing
[16:58:44] <chromas> ed2k is still around, too
[16:59:42] <chromas> oh yeah, some buttorrent clients have dht search so you might be able to find stuff sans tracker
[17:00:16] <requerdanos> I heard deluge and ktorrent work pretty well resolving dht-only torrents.
[17:00:57] <progo> I like the thrill of fighting malicious ads on Pirate Bay
[17:01:14] <chromas> why are you loading ads?
[17:01:29] <FatPhil> I've been "downloading" C49B3BC6C7E978E9787425C137168DFDA5630709 or about 3 months now. been at 97% for 2 of those months
[17:01:30] <progo> operational expenses? i dunno
[17:01:42] <progo> haven't actually looked at it recently.
[17:02:17] <FatPhil> ah, pirate bay is JS buttrape
[17:02:36] <progo> my sister and I were psyched, when I found a torrent of a recent UK-only Blu-Ray HD release of Northern Exposure, with ORIGINAL MUSIC AS BROADCAST!
[17:03:00] <progo> unfortunately my home server where I was going to process it into DVD-Video for her went stupid and broke, and I haven't had the energy to solve that problem
[17:03:05] <progo> I have it here, offline
[17:03:20] <progo> I can't remember if i found that on pirate bay or some other look-alike site
[17:03:26] <FatPhil> for british stuff, we used to use demonoid, it had loads of telly from wat back.
[17:03:32] <progo> I used Transmission on the magnet link and it did the DHT search thing
[17:03:46] <chromas> Does she still need it on a disc or has she moved into the modern age?
[17:04:07] <progo> she, my sister? what?
[17:04:17] <chromas> yes
[17:04:47] <chromas> can you just stick it onto google drive or something and email her the link?
[17:04:55] <progo> the Blu-Ray Northern Exposure release in UK a few years ago is the only "physical" or "streaming" release ever, with the original music
[17:05:12] <requerdanos> as opposed to random polkas?
[17:05:19] <progo> she doesn't have anything that can play blu ray, and she barely knows how to use the family roku
[17:05:26] <progo> I can convert it to DVD-Video, some day
[17:05:47] <FatPhil> ffmpeg to the rescue
[17:06:11] <progo> I had no problem with the audio and video. my first attempts on the first few episodes yielded strange errors with the caption tracks
[17:06:13] <chromas> requerdanos: probably. that's what happens when the music licenses expire.
[17:06:34] <progo> random pop music substitutions
[17:06:35] <chromas> they just paste in random muzak or youtube stock music or something
[17:06:49] <progo> the music tracks are named in the script. music is VERY IMPORTANT on this series
[17:07:01] <requerdanos> that sounds like something of a pre-broken system
[17:07:31] <chromas> is that before-broken, or already-broken?
[17:07:41] <requerdanos> broken in advance of use
[17:08:03] <chromas> thanks, disney. thisney
[17:08:05] <progo> most of the Northern Exposure music was both ecclectic and only ever licensed for TV broadcast, in perpetuity
[17:08:49] <progo> Nina Paley makes animated films single-handedly, and after film #1, she declared "fuck copyright. I'm using whatever music I want."
[17:08:50] <requerdanos> defective, as they say, by design
[17:10:02] <FatPhil> In the modern era, where you can make your millions within minutes, I think the original 14 year copyright isn't a bad law. Queen Mary, or whatever it was.
[17:11:05] <progo> FatPhil++
[17:11:05] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 127
[17:11:27] <chromas> but I need to make a thing once and have my grandchildren still be able to buy a yacht for their yacht long after I'm preserved in my space car
[17:11:28] <progo> my position on copyright is: 5 year monopoly for anything. source code, music, script, novel
[17:11:31] <progo> you've got 5 years
[17:11:48] <progo> the EFFECTIVE monopoly time on copyrights of movies in Nigeria is like 6 days
[17:12:00] <progo> the producers make money by making movies FAST
[17:13:02] <requerdanos> sounds as if nigeria, like the US, is not a great model for copyrights.
[17:15:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Freenode Commits Suicide - Deletes All Its Users - https://sylnt.us - deleting-your-most-valuable-asset
[17:21:50] <chromas> https://www.msn.com
[17:21:51] <systemd> ^ 03Analysis: Windows 11 has leaked. It's a bunch of BS
[17:22:14] <progo> the new start button doesn't seem to be in a corner
[17:22:34] <progo> that story was posted on soylent earlier today
[17:22:50] <chromas> ah
[17:22:58] <chromas> as an editor, I don't have time to read the site :D
[17:23:03] <progo> lol
[17:23:19] <progo> I half expect the start key to ALSO be broken
[17:23:38] <chromas> oh now I see the Bender posting
[17:24:18] <chromas> I also see Firefox still has the age-old problem of randomly saying it can't connect to a server instantly, without actually trying
[17:24:51] <progo> lovely. I haven't seen that. I use de-googled "Waterfox" on my work computer
[17:25:10] <chromas> g3?
[17:25:27] <progo> hm?
[17:26:19] <chromas> there was waterfox current and uh, some other one, where you could still use pre-webextensions extensions, but now there's G3, which is more modernerer and doesn't allow old extensions
[17:26:37] <progo> oh. I only use 'waterfox-current'
[17:26:53] <chromas> ah, classic was the other
[17:27:24] <progo> I want the faster Firefox or Chromium engine, with no google services. (Mozilla is Google.) outside my work computer I use Ungoogled Chromium. that won't install on my work computer due to some enterprise shitware problem
[17:27:28] <chromas> it's too bad nobody leaked classic opera source
[17:28:06] <progo> I still remember YEARS of a situation where Opera is the only browser in the world (among many) where "popups are not allowed" ACTUALLY WORKED as labeled
[17:28:39] <progo> (option switch, I mean. actually worked)
[17:29:07] <chromas> and also zoom zoomed the whole page instead of just increasing the font size
[17:29:13] <progo> now we have "autoplay audio is not allowed" … doesn't work, in Chromium and Firefox
[17:29:24] <progo> yes yes
[17:29:46] <chromas> opera was pretty kickass
[17:30:07] <chromas> except for 12
[17:30:25] <progo> remember when Opera's marketing department went crazy and published an internal analysis tool when they released their 'which persona are you?' campaign?
[17:30:28] <chromas> having a few slashdot tabs would cause it to periodically lock up for awhile
[17:30:39] <chromas> no
[17:30:56] <progo> I can imagine the actual marketing consultants cringeing: "that wasn't meant to be the structure of your ads"
[17:31:25] <progo> they had all these models in over-the-top clothing: the organization nerd; the power user; blah blah whatever
[17:31:25] <chromas> But I do remember when they hid themes from the front page of the site so it was hard to find, then later they removed themes. Mozilla would later steal that idea
[17:31:30] <progo> they had slick names
[17:40:26] <t3> huh, no gvt-g in 11th gen
[18:33:24] <Teckla> This is a test.
[18:33:47] <requerdanos> What is being tested?
[18:39:27] <progo> confirmed. it is possible to say "This is a test."
[19:16:39] <Teckla> requerdanos: Hi and sorry -- I was testing some irssi config changes (which are working).
[19:45:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Ignored Last-Minute Warnings from the FAA Before Starship SN8 Launch - https://sylnt.us - Sergeant-Schultz-Solution-Succeded?
[19:50:58] <FatPhil> https://www.jwz.org
[19:51:00] <systemd> ^ 03Using Ritual Magic to Trap Self-Driving Cars
[19:56:53] <FatPhil> =g what is the ugliest language in india
[19:56:54] <systemd> https://www.nytimes.com - India's 'Ugliest' Language? Google's Answer, Kannada, Drew a ...
[19:57:07] <FatPhil> is that worth a sub?
[19:57:25] <FatPhil> maybe a weekend story
[19:57:36] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[19:57:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03India’s ‘Ugliest’ Language? Google Had an Answer (and Drew a Backlash)." (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:21:19] <chromas> too classist?
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[20:59:20] <Teckla> Just out of curiosity, why did Soylent News choose to create their own IRC server, instead of using one of the existing IRC networks?
[21:00:00] <Teckla> Not a loaded question or a trick question or anything, just honestly curious! O:)
[21:07:16] <chromas> I'm not sure about the irc specifically, but some of the people involved at the beginning had the idea of building up a whole hacker/nerd playground around SN
[21:10:48] <t3> irc is pretty old and stable, easy to deploy, doesn't require a lot of resources either, so it's easy to set up at a whim
[21:12:19] <t3> and none of the various successors allow the same level of unrestricted access
[21:37:42] <Teckla> chromas: Hmmm, that still seems possible!
[21:38:58] <Teckla> t3: I was thinking more along the lines that running an IRC server makes you a target, in case you express the "wrong" political opinion, or something. But, I guess running a web site puts you at that risk already!
[21:39:39] <progo> SDF bbs is a good playground. It's free open access on a cluster of Unix machines. Lots of services built with popular free software and with weird home grown things
[21:40:43] <progo> Multiple competing async forums on SDF. And competing live chat. :^)
[22:15:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why People Fall for Conspiracy Theories - https://sylnt.us - longest-distance-between-two-points-is-a...shortcut
[22:16:49] <chromas> all conspiracy theories or just the wrong ones?
[22:40:20] <progo> comments are quiet on that article, so far
[22:40:37] <progo> I wonder if everyone is avoiding the inevitable shouting match
[22:41:12] <progo> come on, someone throw a current events grenade into it!
[22:43:58] <chromas> A totally not gubbermint-spooked guy shot up a pizza place so that means Epstein Island was fake news
[22:53:40] <progo> GAH! can't I sit in a public plaza in peace without bugs crawling all over the table and my computer?
[22:53:49] <progo> I'll bet the government put the bugs here
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