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[00:17:30] <Runaway1956> I don't expect editors to pick this one up - but the woman is truly despicable
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[00:48:05] <Runaway1956> =submit https://bioengineer.org nothing like COVID gain of function research
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[00:49:24] <AzumaHazuki> oh fuck no
[00:49:33] <AzumaHazuki> do not mess around with my coffee
[00:52:01] <Runaway1956> =submit https://bioengineer.org
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[00:53:02] <Runaway1956> Huh - if you don't drink at least a carafe each day, you ain't a coffee drinker
[00:55:24] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.smh.com.au The Mack Truck of tanks!
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[00:56:53] <AzumaHazuki> what is it with all the biological fucking around going on anyway? Ars has an article about people messing with E. coli genomes and accidentally making them virus-proof against certain phages
[00:57:21] <AzumaHazuki> given how bacteria swap genes like mad, this doesn't seem like a wise idea. are we looking at the answer to the fermi paradox here or what?
[01:00:43] <Sulla> To some extent gain of function experiments are necessary to predict future versions to pre-make vaccines and treatments
[01:00:52] <Sulla> Is this e-coli thing like that or some other fuckup?
[01:02:02] <Runaway1956> =submit https://nypost.com Can I get an NFT for that?
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[01:02:59] <Runaway1956> The answer to the Fermi paradox would be aliens importing the viruses.
[01:04:56] <Runaway1956> F. Lee Bailey dies - age 87
[01:05:23] <Runaway1956> One of the world's best bullshitters based on his two most famous cases
[01:06:39] <Sulla> I in general like toshiba. But can i trust their air conditioners
[01:09:35] <Runaway1956> I think Toshiba air conditioners spy on you and phone home frequently?
[01:09:43] <Sulla> probably
[01:09:50] <Sulla> but do i care if they are spying for the japanese? no
[01:09:54] <Runaway1956> Put one in every window, lol
[01:10:36] <Sulla> i dont like how everything is "smart"
[01:10:38] <Runaway1956> Well, you're half right. The Japanese don't really care what you're doing, but they're selling that data to China and Russia, who, in turn, sell that data to the NSA
[01:11:00] <Runaway1956> Data is always for sale
[01:11:08] <Sulla> As long as I can call to request backups of my in-person conversations
[01:11:34] <Runaway1956> I hate being recorded when I'm talking to myself . . .
[01:11:38] <Sulla> "Yeah I made a killer clam chowder last night, I was drunk and yelling the ingredients as I added them, do you have record of that?"
[01:12:11] <Runaway1956> I don't even trust myself with some data
[01:13:39] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: This story? https://arstechnica.com
[01:13:41] <systemd> ^ 03Researchers rewire the genetics of E. coli, make it virus-proof ( https://arstechnica.com )
[01:14:09] <Runaway1956> =submit https://nypost.com
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[01:14:24] <Sulla> Then they should do it again until he learns
[01:14:32] <Runaway1956> How ironic that a gay Asian has become a Republican hero, much hated by the liberal left
[01:15:03] <Sulla> He seems to do a pretty good job of actually showing events instead of just pontificating on them
[01:15:06] <Runaway1956> One might conclude that Republicans are more inclusive than Democrats
[01:15:33] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: ISTM they were intentionally knocking out codons to see if they could be (??) freed up for some other purpose?
[01:15:50] <AzumaHazuki> yes
[01:16:04] <Sulla> But it is still secluded in a lab right?
[01:16:10] <requerdanos> data storage, perhaps?
[01:16:33] <Runaway1956> Secluded until it isn't secluded any longer, much like COVID
[01:16:46] <requerdanos> arguing facts not in evidence there.
[01:17:10] <Sulla> To say its not possible is just as invalid
[01:17:33] <requerdanos> to say it's known as a fact either way is lying. knock it off.
[01:17:51] <Sulla> To say that it is known that its wild is also lying
[01:17:56] <Runaway1956> Which facts are we discussing?
[01:18:03] <Bytram> it's been way too long since I studied any genetics in school and I only skimmed the article.
[01:18:12] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[01:18:13] <systemd> ^ 03Researchers rewire the genetics of E. coli, make it virus-proof ( https://arstechnica.com )
[01:18:32] <Runaway1956> ahhhhhhhhh - looks like . . . .
[01:18:41] <requerdanos> some people say it's "a fact" that covid started in the wild, but that's not known as a fact at all
[01:18:58] <Runaway1956> we agree on that statement requerdanos
[01:19:00] <Sulla> I think its up in the air, but that all options need to be looked at
[01:19:13] <requerdanos> some people commit the same error, but from the other side.
[01:19:18] <Sulla> If wild then it is what it is, if it was an accidental lab leak then we need to look at better security
[01:19:21] <Runaway1956> However, for me to say "I'm pretty sure it came from a lab" is legit
[01:20:05] <requerdanos> sort of like when I was saying "I am calling the election for so and so." take what we know and extrapolate a conclusion. makes perfect sense.
[01:20:25] <Runaway1956> agreed
[01:20:34] <AzumaHazuki> in a sane timeline this thing would be impetus to shut down gain of function research IMO
[01:21:09] <Bytram> so long as you add a confidence interval for the statistics
[01:21:15] <Runaway1956> Impetus? We don't use that word in polite company.
[01:21:59] <requerdanos> super e-coli being used in bio-neural gel packs in digital cameras, storing the video and photos
[01:22:39] <Runaway1956> who wants to volunteer to wash dishes?
[01:22:50] <Runaway1956> .
[01:22:53] <Runaway1956> .
[01:22:55] <Runaway1956> .
[01:22:59] <requerdanos> I deliberately ate off paper plates tonight.
[01:23:03] <Runaway1956> fine then, I'll do them again
[01:23:06] <Runaway1956> lol
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[04:34:32] <SoyCow5467> Jews == SCUM.
[04:35:03] <SoyCow5467> Keep the Goyim Muzzled while they are in our territories!
[04:35:30] <SoyCow5467> We're not ready to unmask and unmuzzle you Goyim.
[04:36:05] <Sulla> ten minute verdict is that Toshiba makes good ACs
[04:36:13] <SoyCow5467> And you wonder why nobody wants to work for face-diaper Jews!
[04:36:35] <AzumaHazuki> who keeps letting this schizophrenic nutbar out of the padded cell?
[04:37:07] <SoyCow5467> Shut up, you fucking faggot nancy.
[04:37:09] <Sulla> In a half hour the Toshiba has cooled the upstairs from 85 to 75 degrees, something that the old one wasn't able to do even after hours
[04:37:16] <SoyCow5467> The MEN are speaking.
[04:37:42] <AzumaHazuki> you're no man. you're something that crawled out from under a rock
[04:37:55] <AzumaHazuki> i'm more of a man than you and my period started yesterday
[04:38:48] <SoyCow5467> REddit was a recent discussion somewhere.
[04:38:56] <AzumaHazuki> get a fucking life already. at least get some new material
[04:39:19] <AzumaHazuki> it's not any religion's or ethnic group's fault you're a failure at life circling the drain
[04:39:26] <SoyCow5467> Schwartz, one of the few good Jews in the world, was offed so his purple-haired Jew buddies could go for GLOBOHOMO.
[04:39:56] * AzumaHazuki pokes Deucalion, FatPhil, chromas, and the sleeping Bytram, in no particular order
[04:40:07] <SoyCow5467> HAHAHAHHA
[04:40:57] <SoyCow5467> Some freedom of speech ya got there.
[04:41:21] <AzumaHazuki> when you start talking out the end with teeth, let me know
[04:41:47] <AzumaHazuki> also, news flash? freedom of speech doesn't mean a captive audience or freedom from consequences, and an irc channel isn't a government entity
[04:42:00] <SoyCow5467> Glo-BO*clap clap*
[04:42:14] <SoyCow5467> HO-MO*Clap clap*
[04:42:34] <AzumaHazuki> even if every last jew or whoever on the face of the planet keeled over and died, you would still be a hopeless loser. your problems are innate.
[04:42:47] <AzumaHazuki> so ask yourself...what are you going to do to better yourself?
[04:43:08] <SoyCow5467> I don't know. Thanks to Jews, I don't have free speech.
[04:43:44] <SoyCow5467> I can't speak about anything without having them deplatform me and cut off my funding.
[04:43:56] <AzumaHazuki> gotcha, so you're going to spend the rest of your life blaming everyone else for your own failures. what funding do you even have?
[04:43:59] <SoyCow5467> They're too entrenched. Too powerful.
[04:44:47] <AzumaHazuki> yeah pretty sure BD shitcanned you because you're insane and/or incompetent, Eth...
[04:45:03] <SoyCow5467> I got enough funding to call out every Jew that's fucked me over ...over the years.
[04:45:34] <AzumaHazuki> uhh-huh. but if it's all of them collectively then you by definition don't. you're sounding schizophrenic
[04:45:35] <SoyCow5467> And you ain't seen a damn dime of it. Try calling Soros!
[04:45:53] * AzumaHazuki just wonders what happens to people to turn them into this
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[04:46:26] <Sulla2> gg gramps. top plug in outlet and bottom plug are different circuits
[04:46:38] <Sulla2> one of which is is controlled by a lightswitch
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[04:48:07] <SoyCow5467> Try interacting with Jews in real-life.
[04:48:19] <SoyCow5467> They're all rotten pricks.
[04:48:37] <SoyCow5467> And traitors to every country they manage to infest.
[04:49:16] <AzumaHazuki> [citation needed]. you can find shit examples of pretty much every religion, ethnicity, and political camp
[04:49:25] <AzumaHazuki> and then there's whatever the hell you are
[04:50:31] <SoyCow5467> Yes, you can, in Syria. But in America, Jews are behind it.
[04:51:03] <SoyCow5467> And we don't much like people who find it okay to collaborate with Nike on beating our towns and people up.
[04:51:06] <AzumaHazuki> you actually think any of the people causing the country's economic misery worship anything but Mammon? Deluded fool.
[04:51:30] <AzumaHazuki> this is a clear case of bowing before a golden idol. if you want to rage and froth and fume, get your target right
[04:51:35] <SoyCow5467> 'Specially not ugly inbred beady-eyed weasels like the Jews who are behind it.
[04:52:10] <AzumaHazuki> your own permanent, entrenched failures in life stem from your internal problems. you will never solve them by trying to blame others.
[04:53:06] <SoyCow5467> you're a shit psychologist. People who are too honest get banned, and Jews are more than happy to foster such an environment, because criticism ultimately leads up to them and they know it.
[04:53:25] <AzumaHazuki> buddy, i don't need to be a psychologist to notice you're fucked in the head
[04:53:43] <SoyCow5467> I may be so but at least I'm not a Jew.
[04:54:00] <AzumaHazuki> but you're still a failure, and you did it to yourself
[04:54:04] <SoyCow5467> Not ugly in the face, not hated by every society I manage to infest.
[04:54:17] <SoyCow5467> Nah. I'm successful.
[04:54:25] <AzumaHazuki> ...dude, if your face looks anything like your mind you're uglier than the north end of a southbound mule
[04:54:54] <SoyCow5467> Oh shit you got me there. My ego is bruised.
[04:54:57] <AzumaHazuki> and how in the hell does getting canned from boston dynamics and getting stuck on welfare equate to success?
[04:58:23] <Sulla2> I hope beyond hope that Sars-2 was not leaked intentionally
[04:58:52] <AzumaHazuki> i wouldn't think it was intentional. The CCP is evil, not stupid.
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[04:59:31] <AzumaHazuki> but evil and stupid do intersect when it comes to cost cutting and i wouldn't be at all surprised if they simply weren't keeping BSL4 protection up to snuff
[04:59:41] <Sulla2> I'm going to chose to believe for the moment it was an accident
[04:59:49] <AzumaHazuki> also, christ on a motorbike, can we please get some more ops in here?
[05:00:11] <Sulla2> And that the "closing down internal travel from wuhan, but allowing external travel" was just not letting a crisis go to waste
[05:01:06] <AzumaHazuki> you know, Sulla2, it's a weird feeling to know we're standing on the edge of about a dozen different avalanches about to go off...i don't quite know how i adjust to it
[05:02:16] <Sulla2> I'm trying to find the article now, but on ChinaDaily (or another one of the state owned media) I read an article the other day about China needing to have enough nuclear weapons to defend itself for if all world powers attacked at once, it noted this was espeically in light of the recent US delve into Sars2 origins
[05:02:30] <Sulla2> It is scary seeing articles like that, especially knowing that they got past the censors
[05:03:10] <Sulla2> Hopefully my lack of finding it means they pulled it
[05:03:55] <AzumaHazuki> i'm basically with you on this, hoping this was an accidental release but suspecting not
[05:04:06] <Sulla2> It would kind of solve a lot of internal issues china has right now
[05:04:20] <AzumaHazuki> oh well...one good thing about all this philosophocal and paranormal research i've done is i have zero fear of death at least
[05:04:51] <Sulla2> No effect on children, reduces the damage to their economy due to aging population, damages world economy more than theirs
[05:05:28] <Sulla2> But, lets say they did release it. That's a huge bargaining chip to end their GoF research and push back any outward talk about retaking taiwan
[05:05:37] <Sulla2> Lowers the chance of war significantly
[05:05:55] <Sulla2> Also would mean we would need smart negotiators, which dont exist
[05:07:00] <AzumaHazuki> i suspect that would make a war of a sort more likely
[05:07:17] <Sulla2> Too costly for the US, even for people like Bolton
[05:07:33] <AzumaHazuki> i.e., some nationstate or consortium (NATO) would take the gloves off, reveal dozens of zero-days, and utterly destroy China's IT, power, etc infrastructure
[05:07:48] <AzumaHazuki> would this be a genocidal war crime? yes. do i think anyone who'd do that gives a shit? no
[05:08:34] <Sulla2> I'm highly sceptical of war, and I say this as someone who is a hawk on the issue of Taiwan
[05:09:10] <Sulla2> any head-to-head conflict would cost the entire US navy, half of our airforce, in exchange for only sinking their navy, negating their air force, and maybe doing some hits on coastal military facilities
[05:09:28] <Sulla2> I mean the actual hawks might go for it, but its just nonsensical
[05:09:44] <Sulla2> their production could outmatch ours and fill the vacuum left by the loss of the pacific fleet
[05:10:07] <AzumaHazuki> it is...in conventional terms. i suspect if it came to that something unconventional would be done, likely an infrastructure attack. EMP bombing maybe
[05:10:14] <AzumaHazuki> most likely this would start with heavy sanctions
[05:10:37] <Sulla2> It would be interesting given Russia has indicated they will side with India in any conflict
[05:10:54] <AzumaHazuki> god, what a time to be alive. even goddamn russia--hah, yeah, took it right out of my mouth, even fucking russia isn't that insane
[05:11:23] <Sulla2> Russia benefits from rattling the saber enough to get weapon contracts
[05:11:29] <Sulla2> which is what, their #2 or 3 export
[05:11:42] <Sulla2> but China is cutting into this profit, and also threatning Siberia
[05:12:00] <Sulla2> by "threatening" i mean the ever-present "that always belonged to China" statments and "it will eventually be ours again"
[05:12:56] <Sulla2> I mean i dont like Putin, but they make the most money from proxy wars
[05:14:50] <Sulla2> I think that it could still be proven though that Sars2 was natural
[05:15:07] <Sulla2> but we need to know what the intermediate stage was
[05:15:19] <Sulla2> Something doesn't just pop up and cause a million+ deaths
[05:15:29] <Sulla2> it has trial periods first as it hones its genes
[05:16:20] <Sulla2> The deaths of i think it was 6 miners would have been one of those, but what is the likelyhood of going from 6 and burning itself out, to showing up a thousand miles away and turning wildfire
[05:17:48] <Runaway1956> Sulla2 still awake?
[05:17:50] <Sulla2> blah blah blah chinese state media "we were superhelpful to the WHO, but why are they being biased against china and not testing Italy"
[05:18:07] <Runaway1956> Believe it or not, I spent about 3 1/2 hours on that
[05:18:18] <Runaway1956> so much for a one hour read, lol
[05:18:22] <Sulla2> Its a really interesting article
[05:18:52] <Runaway1956> The thing is, I've read bits and pieces of that, amounting to more than half of what was printed there
[05:19:00] <Runaway1956> but, pulling it all together?
[05:19:00] <Sulla2> It has been around for a while
[05:19:08] <Runaway1956> THAT takes work
[05:19:25] <Sulla2> Did he talk in the article about the virus appearing to be evolved for greater effacicy indoors?
[05:19:44] <Runaway1956> Hmmm - something that sorta leans that way
[05:19:56] <AzumaHazuki> christ, what a mess
[05:20:10] <Runaway1956> thermal sensitive stuff, but that sort of misses the indoors mark
[05:20:21] <Sulla2> If you get a chance watch the Brett Weinstein interview, who is himself a professor of evolutionary biology with specialization in bats
[05:20:38] <Runaway1956> LOL - two hour video? I'll pass for now
[05:20:47] <Sulla2> The original virus sample that is closest to SARS2 came from horseshoe bats
[05:21:08] <Runaway1956> Yes, that original mining incident, when they got sick
[05:21:12] <Sulla2> Yet some parts of the virus would make it not a good virus to effect them
[05:21:21] <Sulla2> Pandolin doesn't explain it either, same issue
[05:21:28] <Runaway1956> Bingo
[05:21:34] <Sulla2> It also proliferates way better indoors than outdoors
[05:21:43] <Sulla2> now maybe thats just how cave viruses work
[05:22:02] <Sulla2> or it could have been replicating (intentionally or unintentionally) in a lab before it jumped
[05:22:46] <Runaway1956> When you think about it, virtually all virusess work better indoors, where circulation will rapidly bring them into contact with new hosts
[05:22:57] <Sulla2> Yes
[05:23:17] <Runaway1956> Standing on top of Everest, I could spew all sorts of unholy pathogens - and affect nobody
[05:24:20] <Sulla2> Either way the article was very disturbing
[05:24:27] <Sulla2> and seemed well sourced
[05:25:21] <Sulla2> Its really tough because I think GoF research is important, but that was because I thought we could trust level 4 labs
[05:25:40] <Sulla2> If level 4 labs are failtrain, the research needs to be ended
[05:25:48] <AzumaHazuki> nothing like this can be trusted out to infinity
[05:25:51] <Runaway1956> We trust in God, all others pay cash
[05:25:59] <AzumaHazuki> if nothing else, simple human error is going to make a leak inevitable
[05:26:34] <Sulla2> The thing that always itched at me was "would a lab leak be worse than a small pox variation popping up that we weren't ready for"
[05:26:46] <Sulla2> SARS2, if GoF, kind of settles that once and for all
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[05:27:18] <Runaway1956> Mmmmm - smallpox has a proven track record, whereas COVIDS is still new
[05:27:33] <Runaway1956> COVIDS could eventually be worse than smallpox, but not really likely
[05:28:07] <Sulla2> The very scary thing, is that we could have a new fellow traveler along with humans for good
[05:28:16] <Sulla2> Cost of yearly flu mitigation x2
[05:28:39] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. this is why i don't think gain of function work can be unilaterally called good or bad. depends what they're working on
[05:28:48] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but, it is in the nature of things that it will eventually mutate to co-exist with man
[05:29:02] <Runaway1956> turn into an especially nasty cold, and we just live with it
[05:29:14] <Sulla2> SARS1 must have been far worse in China than we all know
[05:29:14] <AzumaHazuki> rather, though, i would focus less on gain of function and more on "what are common elements to, for example, the entire betacoronaviridae family?" and see if there are any drug candidates
[05:29:22] <Sulla2> possibly, SARS could also evolve in the other direction
[05:30:17] <Sulla2> The black death did that. How many hundreds of years did it take for it to burn itself out?
[05:31:11] <AzumaHazuki> and of course, we know there are enough wealthy psychopaths who really think they'd survive an apocalypse of that sort in their bunkers
[05:31:14] <Runaway1956> That's just it - COVIDS isn't going to burn out in two years, or ten,
[05:31:24] <Runaway1956> it's going to take no less than a couple generations
[05:31:36] <Sulla2> It could if we did a real lockdown instead of these fake weak lockdowns
[05:31:39] <AzumaHazuki> they won't of course, their staff will turn on them or they'll suffer some medical condition they can't be treated for, but i don't doubt they're thinking alng these line
[05:32:07] <Runaway1956> It's too late for lockdowns -
[05:32:14] <Sulla2> No its not
[05:32:19] <Runaway1956> the time for that was Dec, Jan, Feb a year ago
[05:32:25] <Sulla2> Its just worse for the economy if we do it now
[05:32:28] <Sulla2> but its not too late
[05:32:39] <Sulla2> You just need to break the cycle of new infections
[05:32:43] <Sulla2> Starve it out
[05:33:18] <Sulla2> Hell even Steve Bannon called for a full 45 day economic shutdown last February to starve it out
[05:33:43] <Sulla2> If you have 15 days of infectiousness, you go to 30 for secondary infections
[05:33:51] <Sulla2> and thats it
[05:34:44] <AzumaHazuki> the US is too stupid and its politicians largely too evil for this to work properly. this all assumes a competent government
[05:34:48] <AzumaHazuki> we had...Trump and company
[05:34:51] <Runaway1956> OK, and how do you enforce that throughout all of Africa, South America, all the islands, Central America, all of Asia, as well as Europe and North America?
[05:35:22] <Runaway1956> We couldn't even shut down aviation worldwide for 45 days
[05:35:24] <Sulla2> Either they do it or you dont open the borders
[05:35:32] <Sulla2> They will eventually comply
[05:35:47] <Sulla2> "Trump and company" no politican would have the will do do that, all of them are weak
[05:35:49] <Runaway1956> dasss racisssss!!
[05:36:14] <Sulla2> side benefit? no more flu replication, common cold, anything else with a 15 day infectious period or less
[05:36:21] <AzumaHazuki> i disagree, sorry. i think if the dems had the house, senate, and presidency, they'd have had the confidence
[05:36:25] <Sulla2> Bullshit
[05:36:32] <Sulla2> They were saying shutting down china travel was racist
[05:36:40] <Sulla2> We would have been hti sooner and harder
[05:36:45] <Runaway1956> bullshit squared
[05:36:48] <Runaway1956> maybe cubed
[05:36:51] <Sulla2> it was far too late when we did it anyways
[05:36:54] <Sulla2> because Trump was weak
[05:36:54] <AzumaHazuki> they're a bunch of triangulating, weak-willed idiots, i won't disagree there
[05:37:11] <AzumaHazuki> christ almighty, WHY could I not have been born canadian?
[05:37:28] <Runaway1956> Because you were an evil bitch in a previous life?
[05:37:37] <Runaway1956> Karma.
[05:38:18] <Sulla2> Are they still giving Astrazenica up there?
[05:41:37] <AzumaHazuki> no idea
[05:43:35] <Sulla2> Chili set minimum age for AZ to 45 this morning. Hopefully if they are doing that they have access to other vaccines to fill the under 45 group
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[06:58:37] <chromas> $burrito taco
[06:58:37] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at taco
[07:42:41] <FatPhil> there was basically no "shutting down flights from china" anyway. that was a pure fabrication.
[07:43:46] <FatPhil> US citizens were hoovering up the germs in china and bringing them home by the thousands (of people, not of germs) continually.
[07:44:49] <FatPhil> "No X unless Y" doesn't mean "no X", it means "still X, because Y, just less of it".
[07:45:23] <FatPhil> shitdowns/lockdowns are not "less of", they are "none".
[07:45:39] <Sulla2> yes and that was a mistake
[07:47:50] <FatPhil> the only question is "are total shutdowns feasible, long-term?", and I'm not sure they are.
[07:48:26] <chromas> Just put everyone in a bubble
[07:48:34] <FatPhil> Taiwan's still vulnerable, ditto Oz, ditto NZ. A localised panic every month or so is no way to continue for years/decades.
[07:49:15] <Sulla2> The goal is to stop replication of the virus enough to prevent mutations that we wouldn't be able to handle until such a point
[07:49:24] <Sulla2> So you take Taiwan or Nz and pump em full of vaccines
[07:49:29] <Sulla2> they get to skip steps
[07:51:54] <FatPhil> you have to stop replication *worldwide* though. One India, which I emphasise has *not* been hit properly yet, despite all the BBC stories saying how terrible things are for them presently, can magic up a googol new virions overnight, every one a potential "new variant", if the shit does hit the fan there. Which means any jabs in Oz/NZ could be futile.
[07:52:49] <Sulla2> Not if you property closed borders. NZ doesn't have a rush for vaccines because they are able to contact trace, so focus can be on India
[07:53:22] <FatPhil> So you've changed your story
[07:53:31] <Sulla2> im drunk so spell it out
[07:54:10] <FatPhil> 3 minutes ago it was "10:49 < Sulla2> So you take Taiwan or Nz and pump em full of vaccines", now it's " NZ doesn't have a rush ... focus can be on India"
[07:54:49] <Sulla2> Dont think thats different. Places that dont have an outbreak with property restricted borders are stable with contact tracing
[07:55:02] <Sulla2> opening up sooner rather thn later with vaccines would be great, but not absolutely necessary
[07:55:31] <Sulla2> my assumption is that you are maintaining mask wearing and 6ft distances continued in Nz etc
[07:56:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Morphing Computer Chip Repels Hundreds of Professional DARPA Hackers - https://sylnt.us - scatter-brains
[07:57:31] <FatPhil> I think Taiwan has almost no prophylactic measures in place. They just quarantine like they mean it and contact trace like dogs on heat. So 99.9999% of the population can just live their normal lives.
[07:57:45] <Sulla2> Well taiwan wasn't retarded
[07:57:54] <Sulla2> They started shutdown Dec 31st
[07:57:56] <Sulla2> warned the world
[07:58:06] <Sulla2> and everyone ignored them because muh high and mighty WHO disagreed
[07:58:20] <FatPhil> I know Oz has very strict quarantine, otherwise known as "quarantine". Not sure about day-to-day living for the masses.
[07:58:57] <Sulla2> Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
[07:59:09] <Sulla2> whatever the CCP says, look into it
[08:01:03] <FatPhil> Ditto WHO
[08:01:07] <FatPhil> They had one job...
[08:01:20] <Sulla2> CCP learned from SARS1
[08:01:32] <Sulla2> Make sure WHO doesn't mess up SARS2 and ruin the Chinese economy again
[08:01:51] <Sulla2> got a guy who covered up a disease in Africa and made him head of WHO
[08:01:53] <Sulla2> problemo solved
[08:42:29] <chromas> https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net
[08:42:50] <chromas> a key just for kyonko
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[10:35:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Top Acoustic Amplifier Emerges From 50-Year-Old Hypothesis - https://sylnt.us
[10:53:20] <FatPhil> https://www.italy24news.com
[10:53:21] <systemd> ^ 03Please Wait... | Cloudflare
[10:53:37] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.italy24news.com
[10:53:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Please Wait... | Cloudflare" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:54:00] <FatPhil> "The first invisible sculpture sold for 15 thousand euros."
[10:54:35] <FatPhil> Can nothing be a work of art? According to Salvatore Garau, yes, and obviously also according to those who bought his latest work.
[11:33:00] <inz> Emperor's New Sculpture
[12:30:15] <Runaway1956> https://www.foxnews.com
[12:30:16] <systemd> ^ 03Bald eagles kill 54 lambs on Idaho farm
[12:30:53] <Runaway1956> The rancher speculates that the eagles are killing sheep instead of fish, because the lake is colder than usual
[12:31:20] * Runaway1956 remembers watching eagles diving into the Bering Sea, which never warms up
[12:33:29] <Runaway1956> https://bbcbreakingnews.com
[12:33:31] <systemd> ^ 03Dr Fauci demands China release records of nine patients who got sick before the pandemic – My Blog
[12:33:52] <Runaway1956> better title: Fauci being forced to pretend he has balls after recent revelations
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[13:36:04] <FatPhil> https://www.taiwannews.com.tw
[13:36:07] <systemd> ^ 03Mom gets teen Han Kuo-yu haircut to keep him home during Taiwan's outbreak
[13:38:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Top Acoustic Amplifier Emerges from 50-Year-Old Hypothesis - https://sylnt.us
[14:12:29] <chromas> Now the kid's got an excuse to skip out on the video chats for school
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[14:47:14] <c0lo> cummmmbia
[14:47:19] <c0lo> =yt -QsFDeJE27U
[14:47:20] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Denver Nuggets eliminate the Portland Trail Blazers from the NBA Playoffs | NBA on TNT (13:16; 229,063 views; 👍4,216 👎133)
[14:47:34] <c0lo> heck no!
[14:47:57] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[14:47:59] <systemd> ^ 03Chico Trujillo - estival jazz 2018 Live
[14:48:12] <FatPhil> =g sgml xml rape
[14:48:13] <systemd> https://www.schnada.de - Erik Naggum's XML rant
[15:01:13] <c0lo> TGIF
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[15:47:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We're Not Saying It's Aliens: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Report Available on June 25 - https://sylnt.us
[16:38:50] <AzumaHazuki> i keep thinking, if it is aliens, that won't even surprise me anymore. i've seen and suffered and been through so much it's like...hardly anything really, truly shocks me now
[16:39:00] <AzumaHazuki> so if it is aliens, so what? what do we do about it?
[17:11:33] <progo> the UFOs that the media has been trotting out the past few months before today are not only easily explainable as mundane, they're easily REPLICABLE
[17:12:03] <progo> the triangles in the Channel Islands off San Diego: out of focus aircraft shot with a triangular aperture
[17:12:28] <progo> the flappy-headed TV people are completely useless or willfully ignorant of the simple concept of asking a few engineers what they think
[17:14:15] <progo> there was another one with a UFO in the targeting system of a navy fighter jet where the numbers burned into the video clearly indicated the jet's altitude, the range to the target below, and everything so that it can't possibly be anything but a duck or a goose. Dr. Michio Kaku: "it's breaking the laws of physics!!!"
[17:14:21] <chromas> I miss polygonal bokehs. Everything's circular now
[17:14:38] <progo> it wasn't very many pixels but it was clearly flapping wings
[17:17:14] <progo> disclaimer: show me a real UFO and we'll talk. laughably mundane stuff doesn't belong on TV
[17:18:02] <chromas> it's still a UFO though
[17:18:10] <chromas> You couldn't identify whether it was a duck or a goose
[17:18:12] <progo> but they're boring UFOs
[17:18:16] <progo> :^b
[17:18:33] <chromas> which one fits the bill?
[17:19:28] <chromas> oh I can tell it's summer now
[17:19:38] <chromas> Earwigs. earwigs everywhere!
[17:20:24] <chromas> All hiding under every single thing. Staying cool I guess
[17:30:52] <AzumaHazuki> seems like the entire planet's gone insane. and we're living in a time where you can't just pack up and go build a farmstead somewhere. not that i'd have all the necessary skills anyway
[17:31:03] * AzumaHazuki just wants to go somewhere safe and ride this insanity out
[18:02:14] <bacteria> yup, the planet is full
[18:05:25] <bacteria> where are you on this planet, 3chromas, if you don't mind me asking?
[18:09:08] <chromas> pacific northwest, us
[18:11:17] <bacteria> oh sweet, i am in north cal, the summer is here too :)
[18:11:41] <chromas> north cal is best cal
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[18:36:57] <chromas> They're gonna be disappointed when Google suddenly shuts down those chips
[19:59:54] <bacteria> cool beans, is that an earwig? http://melikamp.com
[20:00:10] <bacteria> the beach was littered with them that day
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[21:01:15] <AzumaHazuki> ah, the Space Core
[21:01:33] * AzumaHazuki hopes it keeps going "Space. Space. Space! We're in space. Space. Spacespacespace. Gottagotospace!"
[21:01:59] <chromas> Transformers—robots in the skies
[21:25:44] <halibut> So much space! Gotta see it all!
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[23:16:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mockingbird Song Decoded - https://sylnt.us - QNir1anaVu4
[23:19:51] <progo> translation: it's saying "it was aliens"
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[23:36:43] * AzumaHazuki wonders what Eth is going to think of netanyahu getting shitcanned, especially since he went out saying it'll be the end of the "global right wing" (we can only hope)
[23:37:25] <AzumaHazuki> i'd guess his head would explode, except he clearly would not be able to blow his nose if brains were C4 plastic explosive
[23:40:35] <requerdanos> I am not sure he distinguishes individual people
[23:42:56] <AzumaHazuki> well yeah, if he did he wouldn't be generalizing the way he does
[23:50:24] <Runaway1956> psychopath doctors giving speeches?
[23:50:31] <Runaway1956> https://bbcbreakingnews.com
[23:50:34] <systemd> ^ 03Doctor gave Yale talk called ‘Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind’ – My Blog