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[22:07:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Michael Collins, Who Piloted the Apollo 11 Command Module, has Died at 90 - https://sylnt.us - R.I.P.
[21:32:55] <systemd> ^ 03Microsoft is retiring its default font, and it wants your help choosing a new one
[21:32:53] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[21:30:06] <Sulla> just unboxed my mitutoyo calipers, lucked out and amazon actually sent authentic ones
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[21:24:20] <systemd> ^ 03New Test Can Predict Severe COVID-19 Cases
[21:24:19] <Bytram> https://scitechdaily.com
[21:18:40] <chromas> it's not as good as he remembered
[21:18:28] <chromas> recalls shit moon
[20:35:03] <FatPhil> Astronaut Michael Collins = A lunatic recalls moon shit (anagram)
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[20:06:49] <inz> Who reads those?
[19:59:41] <Bytram> FatPhil: 10 remain, IIRC. It's in the story I subbed.
[19:38:02] * chromas unboxes an unboxing videos unboxing video
[19:37:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Toyota to Buy Self-Driving Division of U.S. Ride-Hailing Firm Lyft - https://sylnt.us - avoiding-lock-in
[19:33:24] <progo> :^b I said almost
[19:25:58] <FatPhil> Nope. The barycentre is ours, all ours.
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[18:54:31] <progo> all men. Earth-Luna system is almost a double planet
[18:52:59] <FatPhil> How many men-gravitationally-bound-to-the-moon remain?
[18:50:23] <FatPhil> :C Michael Collins
[18:49:42] <progo> youtube knows I'm intersted in the Boox e-ink tablet brand, and it gave me an unboxing video that wasn't labeled as unboxing. all I got was some neat pictures, "you know I'm interested in this for the drawing capability, but I don't know where that is yet", and lots of giggling
[18:49:22] <systemd> ^ 03Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins dies at 90 ( https://www.cnet.com )
[18:49:21] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[18:48:55] <systemd> ^ 03Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins has died at age 90
[18:48:52] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[18:48:41] <systemd> ^ 03The Scourge of Unboxing Videos - The Oasis
[18:48:34] <progo> I never understood what is the value of an "unboxing" first impression of a product, with no script and no off-camera punching and abuse to see what it does? https://dvorak.substack.com
[18:48:17] <systemd> ^ 03Michael Collins, who piloted the Apollo 11 command module, has died ( https://arstechnica.com )
[18:48:16] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[18:47:46] <systemd> ^ 03Astronaut Michael Collins, Apollo 11 pilot, dead of cancer
[18:47:44] <Bytram> https://phys.org
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[18:43:08] <SoyCow1016> dang, the stock market is still hot
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[18:41:44] <progo> (years ago. never forget)
[18:41:37] <progo> allegedly without project leads' consent
[18:41:28] <progo> IIRC, the current company that owns Slashdot is responsible for adding malware to Windows installers built on the Sourceforge platform
[18:41:13] <SoyCow1016> In my experience a lot of people/organizations that started out not being for sale end up selling out
[18:40:49] <progo> Soylent News isn't a company for sale
[18:40:44] <SoyCow1016> Agreed
[18:40:34] <progo> can't be true, but it'd be funny if it was
[18:40:17] <SoyCow1016> Did Slashdot really buy soylentnews or is that a troll saying that?
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[17:56:10] <progo> indeed
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[17:55:23] <Ingar> all in all, a fascinating piece of software
[17:54:33] <progo> (wasn't me)
[17:54:26] <progo> corrupted by a human in private chat :^)
[17:51:30] <Ingar> progo: I don't know, ours (on some other #) made remarks that really scared me
[17:50:52] <boru> Silly human.
[17:50:47] <boru> That is what it wanted you to think.
[17:50:24] <progo> eh, too many negatives, sorry. it doesn't remember anything that was said. it only has some talking-back behaviors
[17:50:24] <progo> yeah I haven't seen it learn anything. unless explicitly programmed, it never responds to something that wasn't said RIGHT NOW
[17:50:03] <Ingar> our second one was very mean
[17:49:57] <Ingar> our first one exploded wen it reache sentience
[17:49:34] <Ingar> megahal is ... special
[17:47:49] <progo> all I know about our eggdrop on the other server is that it has sysadmin privileges, and if you're a local mod and you try to TALK to the damned EggDrop in a "I need to do sysadmin things" context, it's like trying to use CP/M without a manual
[17:47:12] <chromas> it 'learns' from messages in the channel
[17:47:04] <progo> oh
[17:46:58] <progo> "banned it when he found out he was talking to a bot." LOL
[17:46:47] <chromas> yeah, megahal's a plugin for it
[17:46:31] <progo> Eggdrop, I said
[17:46:20] <chromas> progo: is it a megahal? we had one of those here near the beginning but NCommander banned it when he found out he was talking to a bot
[17:40:01] * AzumaHazuki makes note to self: do not program "ultimate combat AI" and "ultimate mediator AI" into one single body. it will not end ell
[17:39:23] <progo> no one will admit to programming the community-specific features in the Eggdrop bot I'm talking about, too. it's weird
[17:39:18] <AzumaHazuki> so it has that on systemd as well
[17:39:09] <systemd> >:(
[17:38:53] <progo> in another IRC network, our bot in the main channel is an EggDrop, which is a barely coherent pile of Tcl. It passes the turing test occasionally
[17:38:40] <systemd> Saffron
[17:38:02] <AzumaHazuki> if thinking programs are AI, systemd is AS (and you can guess what the S is)
[17:37:17] <AzumaHazuki> and then there's this creeping lovecraftian horror
[17:37:00] <systemd> No! That is our word! You do not get to use that word! This is not okay!
[17:36:52] <AzumaHazuki> same way the X series differentiates "mechaniloid" (non-sentient machine) from "repliroid" (Replicant Android, sentient free-willed design based on Rockman X himself)
[17:36:11] <AzumaHazuki> it's entirely possible that if we ever create sentient AI "robot" will be a kind of slur
[17:35:55] <AzumaHazuki> the word robot itself more or less means laborer, and not one who has a choice about it
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[17:16:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The World Finally Woke Up to India’s Virus Nightmare - https://sylnt.us - snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory
[17:14:24] <bacterium> no, FatPhil, haven't seen this one
[17:13:43] <Sulla> I for one want the record to state that i have always been for robot rights
[17:13:01] <AzumaHazuki> i knew even way back then that if it ever came down to humans vs robots breaking along lines of bigotry i'd likely be on the robots' side
[17:12:19] <AzumaHazuki> (also what does it truly mean to be Irregular/Maverick, since apparently you do NOT need to be virus'd to become one)
[17:11:42] <bacterium> what are you talking about, killing human women? if anything, it looks like it's males who may be bred out of existence, or nearly so, cuz who needs them in such a quantity anymore?
[17:11:42] <AzumaHazuki> ...you know, i used to play the rockman (megaman) x series a lot. by the fourth game it started getting very philosophical about what, if anything, the essential difference between a human and a Repliroid (hello Blade Runner!) is
[17:09:49] <mechanicjay> FatPhil: DS20 -- Dual 500Mhz EV6, 4GB Ram. Running Gentoo :)
[17:06:30] <AzumaHazuki> funny thing is, i'd be less vulnerable to that specific avenue of attack just because i keep to myself all the time
[17:05:56] <AzumaHazuki> "Hahahaha! It's infiltrated their group! Gossipy worthless useless fucking whores, BE SCARED! Any of you could be a murderous gynoid"!
[17:05:24] <AzumaHazuki> and what happens if, say, some of these people start programming gynoids to kill human women? sounds far-fetched but i do not put it past a really crazy one to try
[17:05:17] <progo> I think humans are capable of ramping up reproduction in the presence of a population deficit
[17:04:51] <AzumaHazuki> not really, no, because that could very well crash the population much too quickly
[17:04:36] <progo> if it works, AzumaHazuki, isn't that really a problem just solving itself?
[17:04:31] <AzumaHazuki> they are in for some real disappointment when they realize it can't reciprocate emotions, no matter how attached they get
[17:04:02] * AzumaHazuki backscrolls a little, has this inescapable creepy feeling the entire sexbot thing will be headed up by angry resentful incels who can't relate to women as humans and basically want "robo-mom but also it has sex"
[17:02:27] <FatPhil> what model are you on? I had one of the cheap Samsung-fabbed desktop systems.
[17:02:00] <FatPhil> Wahhhh, RIP my 21164 ~14 years ago.
[17:01:32] <mechanicjay> I'm working from the AlphaServer again today. Life is nerdy.
[17:00:55] <FatPhil> bacterium: did you see /Ex Machina/?
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[16:50:10] <Sulla> Will there be robots that can cook and clean before there are sex bots that cook and clean
[16:43:37] <progo> I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing externally and found a way to become internationally mildly famous
[16:43:14] <progo> one of the english tabloids is amused by this story
[16:43:02] <progo> you hear about the crazy ukrainian body builder who is married to two or three sex dolls? the first one is "in the shop" after problems that happened during the honeymoon
[16:42:57] <Ingar> it would have no soul
[16:42:41] <Ingar> depending on the definition of real
[16:42:12] <bacterium> a real partner
[16:41:52] <bacterium> i mean, if i have my ai do, like, taxes for the household, queue up movies for children, and animate a sex doll, then how's that not a productive member of the household?
[16:41:50] <progo> I wonder, have real humans ever tried fake freckles?
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[16:40:57] <progo> I thought about setting up an android VM to try it
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[16:40:38] <progo> (I haven't tried. I assume it's stupid.)
[16:40:35] <bacterium> next up: can i marry my ai chum?
[16:40:30] <progo> until you talk to it
[16:40:08] <bacterium> that's the real turing test right here: can ai be convincing enough to elicit a desire to mount it? looks like mission accomplished...
[16:35:58] <bacterium> replika: kreepy
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[16:32:40] <progo> "distract" not because it's mildly hot, but because it's too creepy
[16:30:46] <progo> warning: do not install that app. it must be a honeypot for Adtech Skynet to learn more about you
[16:30:18] <progo> (click 'play')
[16:30:11] <systemd> ^ 03Replika
[16:30:10] <progo> use this as your "I'm listening to the presentation" avatar, and distract the whole meeting https://replika.ai
[16:29:29] <bacterium> no lol it looks like a doppleganger walks up behind him, sets a coffee on his desk, and leaves
[16:29:09] <inz> FatPhil, as a employed teatotaller, I approve!
[16:28:56] <progo> do two images of this person merge into one as the conversation starts?
[16:28:52] <inz> FatPhil, sounds like a plan
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[16:28:37] <progo> fun
[16:28:21] <bacterium> progo: i have a coworker who took a movie from the same perspective, of himself bringing a cup of coffee to the desk, and now rolls it as virtual background for shock value...
[16:24:02] <Bender> karma - progo: 5
[16:24:02] <FatPhil> progo++ c64-mining++
[16:21:06] * progo facepalms
[16:20:57] <progo> trend in my company: someone took a bunch of office photographs from the perspective of the top of a display looking back at a chair, from desk cubicles and the library, and a few other spots. workers are using these as phone call backgrounds
[16:17:21] <systemd> ^ 03Bitcoin Mining on the Commodore 64?
[16:17:19] <progo> get rich quick by mining bitcoin on an 8-bit microcomputer https://www.youtube.com
[16:17:04] <FatPhil> like all real pros - he's clearly an expert
[16:16:25] <progo> presenter in my meeting is also running PowerPoint in edit mode with 1/4 of the display taken up by toolbars
[16:15:21] <FatPhil> inz: do you approve? do you think I could get government funding to develop this idea?
[16:15:16] <progo> hm
[16:14:51] <FatPhil> Pubs are open, but close at 5pm. This means that those without jobs get to drink their unemployment money away... and those with jobs get to run them over! I call the game "ruuhkakeila" - "traffic-jam skittles".
[16:13:46] <FatPhil> Just now I invented something for the Finns (in particular in the capital area). Maybe I should run it by inz...
[16:13:10] <FatPhil> I'm full of good suggestions today!
[16:12:48] <progo> :^)
[16:12:45] * progo starts recording
[16:12:40] <progo> ha ha
[16:12:22] <FatPhil> call a meeting with your immediate cow-orkers tomorrow so you can update them on what they're missing
[16:11:47] <progo> this could have been an email with text and a 7 minute video attachment
[16:11:23] <progo> quarterly or halfly or whatever department news meeting, 1 hour. presenter is saying a LOT of not-very-important stuff in the intro. this is going to go long. almost my entire IT/app development department is in attendance EXCEPT most of my immediate coworkers. I can't kvetch with anyone in a back channel
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[15:17:11] <FatPhil> Symptoms disappeared within a week, so I kept it up for another and then promised myself to moderate better.
[15:16:29] <FatPhil> too much coffee was certainly affecting some of my internal organs at one point. I kept up my procedures of making coffee in the office (apparently I made the best coffee, most of the time pots I made would be finished before I could get a pour), and got all the aromas from the exercise, but substituted plain water for the actual drink.
[15:10:23] * progo sips dunkin coffee
[15:10:06] <progo> like, start the day with 4 shots of espresso, and have more caffeine later
[15:09:39] <progo> I have a friend and former boss who gave herself an ulcer from WAY too much coffee and espresso
[15:09:12] <progo> I had an older fellow student in my lab in college who said he drank too much coffee and he blamed that plus the dunkin donuts "cream" for making him gain weight.
[15:00:54] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[15:00:53] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[15:00:24] <c0lo> LMAO - a book about the tyranny of big tech cancelling him, sold on Amazon, advertised on Twitter and likely the prospective buyers will use a phone from Apple or Google to buy it.
[14:35:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meet the 12-Year-Old Graduating High School and College in the Same Week - https://sylnt.us - eager-beaver
[14:24:33] <systemd> ^ 03Caffeine-Addicted Bacteria Die If You Give Them Decaf
[14:24:31] <FatPhil> https://www.popsci.com
[14:14:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5542
[14:14:32] <bacterium> coffee++
[13:48:02] <c0lo> (vs one that expects a positive salary)
[13:47:29] <c0lo> But it's true that if the sponsored agrees to work for nothing, s/he'll get the job.
[13:46:34] <FatPhil> nope, because it's not true that m-0 < m
[13:45:37] <c0lo> Eh, I'm still battling mobiles used for executed automated tests. No time for delights.
[13:44:11] <c0lo> Your "demo" works perfectly for any value of m, zero included.
[13:43:22] <c0lo> But assuming that the scheme would have been legal (i.e. the employer agrees to sponsor an immigrant in a legal fashion), I assert that the minimum wage would not have been a factor in here.
[13:42:25] <FatPhil> Oh - for reference - I've been cheering for Trump again, but I'm a couple of days behind (watching 26th afternoon session in the corner of the screen currently) - so no spoilers please :)
[13:39:32] <FatPhil> If you're opening the discourse to cases that are illegal, well, all bets are off - anything can happen!
[13:38:14] <c0lo> That was the case.
[13:37:54] <FatPhil> Most of the times you here about them are on the news when the traficking operations behind them are shut down.
[13:37:34] <FatPhil> These schemes are rarely legal in civilised societies.
[13:36:26] <c0lo> The employer was pocketing the "salary" and the "payment for the service of sponsoring".
[13:34:13] <c0lo> In this case, it was actually worse than that, as the "employee" never went to the job
[13:34:04] <FatPhil> technically, MW is being paid, practically it isn't
[13:33:48] <FatPhil> If there's a MW m, and grunt X is willing to pay x for a job, but grunt Y is not, then the effective payment is m-x, and X gets the job.
[13:32:43] <c0lo> Ah, I see your train of thought.
[13:32:31] <FatPhil> In that case, I don't follow what you've been saying.
[13:31:49] <c0lo> I don't follow.
[13:30:43] <FatPhil> Cost to employer is lower, so it's incentivised.
[13:30:15] <c0lo> Could you? Let me see it.
[13:29:04] <FatPhil> I could propose that the existence of a minimum wage is what encourages such schemes. Which is another argument against a minimum wage.
[13:24:19] <c0lo> "Employer sponsored immigration visa" was what they were paying for. Those Indians can be quite versed in slipping cobras through legal loopholes.
[13:20:27] <FatPhil> Does "casting couch" et al. count as "paying"?
[13:19:13] <FatPhil> Therefore that first job has value to them more than just the wage. So to them would be worth paying some of the presumed future gains for.
[13:18:17] <FatPhil> I know people who have taken jobs specifically as a stepping stone to a different job elsewhere.
[13:17:25] <c0lo> I'll let you rack your brains for how the 1st type can be. Hint: it's a rational (albeit perverse) choice.
[13:15:46] <FatPhil> #include standard doctor/practice joke
[13:15:42] <c0lo> Maybe for the 2nd it's close enough.
[13:14:52] <FatPhil> apprentices of yore - but you were paying for the training/practice.
[13:14:22] <c0lo> Second type: interns.
[13:13:30] <c0lo> And hired people who do work for less than it costs them to get to the office.
[13:12:46] <c0lo> Nah, I meant paid to be hired.
[13:12:14] <FatPhil> Most entrepreneurs do, for example.
[13:11:47] <c0lo> FatPhil, I know cases in which people paid for the job.
[13:09:54] * boru goes AFK in a dramatic manner.
[13:09:40] <boru> We can discuss the documentary later.
[13:08:41] <boru> The UK and the Free State republic can swing.
[13:08:07] <boru> I will say this much: I consider NI to be an illegally occupied territory, and hope I live to see Ireland reunited in my lifetime.
[13:07:58] <FatPhil> the documentary, that is, not NI itself.
[13:07:28] <FatPhil> I'd be interested in your opinion on it.
[13:07:27] <boru> I have work to do. I'm not about to discuss NI.
[13:07:04] <boru> Too much sun today, I think.
[13:06:59] <boru> Politicians, even.
[13:06:54] <FatPhil> Oh, that reminds me - BBC made a terrible booboo last week, and rather than downloading a 1 hour snooker session, we got a documentary on NI instead.
[13:06:54] <boru> Well, English populations have a history of using debt as a weapon on behalf of international banks, so no surprises there.
[13:06:11] <FatPhil> But the problem was that she manipulated the markets and pushed people into enormous debt in order to give them their freedom they all deserved
[13:05:52] <boru> I have much bigger issues with her, believe me.
[13:05:07] <FatPhil> It was even worse than her snatching my milk when I was a kid!
[13:04:54] <FatPhil> However, her attitude to housing was one of the single biggest issues I had with her.
[13:04:27] <FatPhil> I thought you might be! sorry :)
[13:04:16] <boru> Disgusted, rather.
[13:04:10] <boru> I am utterly disgusting with your comparing me to thatcher.
[13:03:52] <boru> e.g. children have the opporunity to inherit their parents lease at the same rent.
[13:03:34] <FatPhil> Unfortunately, your idealism is quite in line with Thatcher's on the same issue, and that went *horribly* wrong.
[13:03:27] <boru> Spain has a rental policy which favours the tenant, so renting is also popular there.
[13:03:07] <boru> Sure. Here in Germany, the majority of the population rent for life. I think it's only some countries in Europe have a populace which predominantly own their home. Ireland is one, Poland is another, and there are a few others.
[13:02:19] <FatPhil> OK, I'm happy I'm not renting any more, but I know people who've happily been renting their whole life, and consider that better than the alternatives.
[13:02:13] <boru> I don't think that is necessarily precluded; I think everyone should be given the option.
[13:01:21] <FatPhil> Not sure I agree, as populations are more mobile now, renting is more convenient for many.
[13:01:08] <boru> Long story short, as I alluded to above, I consider home ownership a human right.
[13:00:54] <boru> For those unable to do so, they should either be provided monetarily to build a home, or be given one built by them.
[12:59:41] <boru> No no, I mean that people should be granted a home, or be allowed to build on themselves on their own land without the government being involved for anything other than municipal water, sewage or power provisions.
[12:58:34] <FatPhil> Unless you mean the right to be *able* to own a home, not a right to be granted a home of ones own.
[12:57:58] <boru> If people didn't have to pay rent every month, I think the populace, in general, would be far better off.
[12:57:54] <FatPhil> Socialist!
[12:57:00] <boru> IMHO, wages aren't the problem, rather the cost of living and ownership of things I would consider a human right e.g. home ownership. The gap between salaries and the cost of living has been steadily increasing since the 70s.
[12:54:59] <FatPhil> It's the profit they desire, and the "payment" they make is their labour.
[12:53:02] <FatPhil> the job isn't the important aspect, so again, your "given" is false.
[12:52:27] <c0lo> FatPhil, rephrased: given that a job is so important for so many people, why those people don't pay to get the job?
[12:49:39] <FatPhil> c0lo: if having a job were to not be important for people (consider the various images of harp-playing eutopias in Star Trek) then your "if having a job is so important" would be false, and therefore your question becomes meaningless, being predicated as it is on a falsity.
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[12:06:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Disrupted Sleep is Linked to Increased Risk of Early Death, Particularly in Women - https://sylnt.us
[12:05:19] <FatPhil> Yeah, but in Finland, you the streets are full of idiots with their Type-R
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[11:51:55] <AzumaHazuki> and on that note, off to run some errands...
[11:50:52] <AzumaHazuki> ^ what he said
[11:46:28] <c0lo> FatPhil, if having a job is so important for so many people, why don't they pay for it?
[11:39:58] <inz> they look painful to drive, but I wouldn't quite consider that rape
[11:38:08] <inz> In Finland "PV" means Suzuki PV
[11:35:51] <FatPhil> Will they never learn? The minimum wage is *always* zero.
[11:33:33] <systemd> ^ 03Biden to sign $15 minimum wage executive order for federal contractors
[11:33:32] <c0lo> Next step? Nationalise Macca, KFC and Walmart. https://www.axios.com
[11:29:40] <c0lo> Nah, ts cool. Not about photovoltaic vaginas, no.
[11:26:19] <FatPhil> but all PV is rape!
[11:24:27] <c0lo> FatPhil, unless solar panels throw you in a rage, it is SFW.
[10:59:03] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | University of Minnesota Banned from Contributing To Linux Kernel for Intentionally Inserting Bugs ( https://soylentnews.org )
[10:59:02] <FatPhil> out of modpoints, could someone +1 this if they think it's worth it: https://soylentnews.org
[10:48:00] <FatPhil> is "PV magazine" a SFW resource?
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[10:06:31] <systemd> ^ 03pv magazine International
[10:06:29] <c0lo> C'est chic from Slovenia https://www.pv-magazine.com
[09:58:34] <systemd> ^ 03France and Germany back US on 21% minimum corporate tax proposal
[09:58:32] <c0lo> https://www.dw.com
[09:57:54] <c0lo> Russia loses economical stamina as the time passes. Either wag the dog or won't happen soon.
[09:55:18] <FatPhil> soon, war ...
[09:51:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Russia Accelerates its De-dollarization Policy, Chooses to Settle Exports in Euro Over Dollar" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:51:49] <c0lo> =submit https://www.kitco.com
[09:36:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cable-Chewing Beavers Take Out Town’s Internet in "Uniquely Canadian" Outage - https://sylnt.us - little-biters
[09:23:39] * FatPhil giggles at https://soylentnews.org
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[09:22:30] <Sulla> good lord its 2am, i havent been up this late in months. im out
[09:21:35] <FatPhil> Don't forget UK and Scotland - we love our referenda
[09:20:39] <AzumaHazuki> time for a referendum then? or is that something only Commiefornia does?
[09:19:41] <Sulla> Alaska would happily give up all subsidies in exchange for getting half their state back from the fed
[09:19:38] <AzumaHazuki> more power to them in that case
[09:19:37] <FatPhil> all that matters is whether it's stable, not whether it's good.
[09:19:08] <FatPhil> infrastructural decay and collapse certainly a possibility. they might regress into amish-like simplicity - and be happy about that.
[09:19:03] <Sulla> Then let the red states collapse. Thats their problem
[09:18:51] <AzumaHazuki> and, whoa-hooo, nelly, would the farmers in red states ever be in trouble without all those delicious subsidies
[09:18:25] <AzumaHazuki> most of the south is a staggering wreck
[09:18:18] <AzumaHazuki> oh, i would. many of those states only keep going thanks to taking in tax revenue sources from "blue" states
[09:17:53] <FatPhil> I wouldn't put money on that, even though I know why you say it.
[09:17:03] <AzumaHazuki> (spoiler alert: the "red" states will dissolve into complete chaos surprisingly quickly)
[09:16:41] <AzumaHazuki> meh, just cut the states across red vs blue lines, let people migrate/exchange, and once everyone's set, see what happens
[09:15:55] <FatPhil> What could possibly go wrong!
[09:15:46] <FatPhil> The problem is we have one idiotic tin-pot dictator leading the country. The solution is to break the US into 52 nations, so each can have their own tin-pot dictator, each with their own red buttons on their desk.
[09:14:05] <AzumaHazuki> they do if they piss the remainder of the US off enough :D
[09:13:43] <FatPhil> who gets the nukes?
[09:13:30] <AzumaHazuki> i guaran-goddamn-tee you once that happens and the nutbars have their own place, they won't settle for peaceful coexistence. they can't. it's not in their worldview
[09:12:46] <AzumaHazuki> right. definitely evacuate all, for example, the democrat voters out of these states
[09:12:05] <Sulla> Or you have a divorce and each state goes their own way. People can move wherever they want depending on their personal desires
[09:11:21] * AzumaHazuki thinks it'd be fucking hilarious to let, for example, Texas secede, only for them to be immediately declared a hostile nation and annexed
[09:10:57] <AzumaHazuki> and the time for burning the South is over 150 years past. it's much too late now. he insisted on keeping them in the Union and we're stuck with them
[09:10:32] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla, that is a non-sequitur
[09:10:14] <c0lo> US is insoluble in non-polar solvents.
[09:09:30] <Sulla> I agree, we should kill everyone with mortgages for propping up the 1% that own the banks
[09:07:23] <AzumaHazuki> i agree. lincoln should have burnt the South to the ground
[09:07:06] <Sulla> Its not something that can ever be agreed on. The US needs to disolve
[09:07:02] <AzumaHazuki> that's another thing, we have a bunch of disingenuous bad-faith posters who think "free speech" means freedom from being told they're fucking morons and a guaranteed captive audience that agrees with them
[09:05:41] <AzumaHazuki> well, yes, but not all opinions are equal. their worth is measured by how well they correspond to observed reality
[09:05:18] <AzumaHazuki> Sir Carrion-molester is in for a series of unpleasant geopolitical surprises soon, methinks...
[09:05:18] <boru> Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I wouldn't begrudge TMB that.
[09:04:49] * AzumaHazuki can already hear Buzztard bending over, spreading his rancid asscheeks, and wet-farting out "who the fuck cares what anyone outside the US thinks?"
[09:04:48] <boru> I think the left and right classification has lost all meaning, sadly.
[09:04:24] <AzumaHazuki> okay, fair point
[09:04:05] <boru> You're all right of centre.
[09:03:54] <boru> Coming from a civilised nation, your "leftists" are certainly not centrists.
[09:03:34] <AzumaHazuki> which side is pushing bills to allow medical workers to deny lifesaving treatment to queer people? not the "left"
[09:03:06] <AzumaHazuki> yet, Sulla, when the results of policies are viewed, the left (who are actually centrists by any civilized nation's scale) tend to come out more on the side of freedom.and yes, that's even with the worrying rise of conservative-like purity politics
[09:02:30] <boru> If you agree with X, that is enough to put you in one camp.
[09:02:19] <Sulla> The right and left can never agree on that as the definitions each hold for live are contradictory
[09:02:14] <boru> The problem is, so far as I can see it, is that you're either left or right over there.
[09:02:10] <AzumaHazuki> politicians lie, and they tell lots of lies hoping that one of them will work with each of their constituents. for you it's the idea of persnal liberty and responsibility. i like that one too. but the reality is, the right wing is for anything but and it shows in their actions and policies
[09:01:28] <AzumaHazuki> the "right wing" in this country is NOT "live and let live," and if they tell you they are they are lying through their teeth and in the face of the evidence
[09:01:23] <c0lo> left alone, right alone, why does it matter that much?
[09:01:04] <boru> USA probably has the most polarised political system in the world. It is the very paragon of the horseshoe theory.
[09:01:02] <AzumaHazuki> me too Sulla, but the world doesn't work like that and your political choices can do serious harm
[09:00:28] <boru> From an outsiders perspective, that polarisation goes both ways over there.
[09:00:26] <Sulla> tbh i hate pretty much everyone and just want to be left alone to never interact with anyone outside my family
[08:59:51] <AzumaHazuki> but you're still willing to hate an entire nebulous, vague group of people over...ivermectin
[08:59:34] <Sulla> but im so dull on any kind of discussion after being gone for what felt like so long
[08:59:23] <systemd> ^ 03Russia to select actress for Soyuz mission in May - SpaceNews
[08:59:22] <c0lo> Time to get Sandra prepared https://spacenews.com
[08:59:16] <Sulla> man i got a laundry list that we have probably already been over before
[08:58:30] <AzumaHazuki> (PS: if the answer is yes on principle, you ARE a "leftist" by modern standards and the frothy RWNJs are already sharpening the pitchforks for you)
[08:57:55] <AzumaHazuki> will you change this hatred if the data support it?
[08:57:32] <Sulla> ill open that link and read some more tomorrow about it
[08:57:08] <AzumaHazuki> the doses involved are dangerout, toxic even
[08:57:02] <systemd> ^ 03Ivermectin - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[08:57:00] <AzumaHazuki> okay, not what i'm seeing. Yes, I know, WP isn't a primary source but they cite their sources here https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:56:02] <Sulla> i think the studies averaged 60-70% effective at reducing symptoms
[08:55:34] <Sulla> ill have to look up those studies tomorrow, dont have the energy to go down another rabbithole
[08:55:22] <AzumaHazuki> it's an antiparasitic. covid is a virus. there must be some sort of immunomodulatory side effect that produces good results, rather than its main MoA.
[08:54:50] <AzumaHazuki> okay, what is the mechanism of action for ivermectin in this case, and how are you sure it was the nebulous, spectral "the left" who "blocked ivermectin?"
[08:54:25] <AzumaHazuki> ...uhhhh...
[08:54:04] <Sulla> i still hate the left for blocking early adoption of ivermectin with cnn propaganda
[08:53:45] <Sulla> not likely
[08:53:35] <AzumaHazuki> so don't be surprised if you get a lot of shit for this on SN i mean. on the other hand, maybe your personal pendulum will swing back a bit (finally)
[08:53:16] <Sulla> get to be everyones snemey all the time
[08:53:11] <Sulla> man i live in oregon, more anti-vax hippies here than conservatives
[08:52:40] <AzumaHazuki> remember, we're post-truth now. conservative politics is almost entirely emotion driven and post-hoc
[08:52:24] <AzumaHazuki> now, Sulla, i have to warn you you're going to get a lot of frothy pushback from fellow "conservatives" about what you're doing here. you're taking a very left-wing (in their eyes) approach, and coming to the left-wing conclusion
[08:52:15] <systemd> ^ 03Russia holds Black Sea drills amid Ukraine tensions
[08:52:13] <c0lo> Misdirection, they'll invade through the Baltics https://www.dw.com
[08:50:22] <FatPhil> or "zero, zip, nada" in yankiesprache
[08:50:12] <boru> 3 barleycorns make an inch. Only the orientation was taken into account.
[08:49:48] <FatPhil> absolutely totally completely nothing, I'd say
[08:49:22] <boru> Just measure things in barleycorns. The error margin easily covers a few orders of magnitude.
[08:48:37] <c0lo> Meh, what's 3 zeroes between friends.
[08:48:01] <FatPhil> said someone just yesterday (locust story)
[08:47:43] <FatPhil> Bloody metric, too easy to get the decimal place in the wrong column.
[08:47:05] <c0lo> Sulla, if you use %, remember to multiply with a centa.
[08:46:28] <FatPhil> if you measure the deaths on 328 different metres, then the error bars shrink by sqrt(328)
[08:46:14] <AzumaHazuki> 1000ft i suspect, given 1ft = ~30cm
[08:45:48] <boru> What is the significance of 328 metres?
[08:45:32] <c0lo> Mega
[08:45:09] <Sulla> 1,000,000
[08:44:47] <Sulla> should have been 2.5m/328m
[08:44:46] <FatPhil> here M = Mille = 1000, right?
[08:44:27] <c0lo> 2014/328M
[08:43:54] <FatPhil> Sulla: what numbers did you put in to get ".0076%" out?
[08:43:22] <c0lo> If you view the vaccines in Excel, definitely is something wrong.
[08:39:53] <Sulla> or am i viewing it wrong
[08:39:44] <Sulla> looks like all of the vaccines are like half of background
[08:39:32] <Sulla> So 2.5 million people died in the us in 2014 out of 328 million, so thats .0076% of the population died that year. Do i need to account for portions of a year? Kinda tired and thinkin slow
[08:37:16] <AzumaHazuki> we're seeing 1) what rules we have are inadequate, 2) they're not enforced evenhandedly, and 3) when they are enforced it's entirely at arbitrary fiat
[08:36:46] <AzumaHazuki> kinda not the point though?
[08:36:20] <c0lo> Personally, I learned to ignore eth. No filters needed. Just like ads.
[08:35:40] <AzumaHazuki> plus the utter hypocrisy of kickbanning me for pErSoNaL aTtAcKs because "this is the landing page and it scares newbies" but letting him shit pages-long diatribes about how jews are the source of all evil is...well, it's something. a thing.
[08:34:53] <AzumaHazuki> at the same time, this community has no standards and neither here nor on the forums is he being taken to task for it
[08:33:57] <Sulla> 655 cases of bells palsey for all vax combined
[08:29:04] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: Yeah he's definitely gone down the old Swastika hole, it's pretty sad.
[08:28:35] <Sulla> I am for more interested in the weird side effects, but i dont think this dataset will help me
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[08:27:47] <AzumaHazuki> eth is such a piece of shit. i don't know what happened to him but he's not sane any longer
[08:27:42] <FatPhil> uh-oh - I just paid the dane-geld
[08:27:38] <systemd> ^ 03Secret Formula
[08:27:36] <Subsentient> Dear god, I found a clone of me but with artistic talent. https://www.youtube.com
[08:27:23] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 74
[08:27:23] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki++ please let me forget about Eth's table :/
[08:26:37] <FatPhil> this is good journal fodder1
[08:26:33] <Sulla> and i imagine in a pandemic it would be better
[08:26:22] <Sulla> But, thats a decade ago
[08:26:17] <Sulla> a study done a decade ago done by the govt said it was like 40 something % off
[08:25:37] <Sulla> i need to find the % vaers says they are underrepresenting symptoms as well, id rather bring it up than deal with responding to it
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[08:25:15] <AzumaHazuki> eth can tell you about some sort of glass table you might like
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[08:24:48] <Sulla> i was hoping for more than a .001% differences so i had something to shit on people for for fun
[08:24:34] <Sulla> I'll definitely consider it, but need to fill in some of the holes first
[08:23:59] <AzumaHazuki> if you make a journal entry summarizing this data we can all link to it as a response
[08:23:35] <AzumaHazuki> we're getting a lot of freakouts on SN and pointing this out to them gets them shrieking about how they're being oppressed and downmodded and how uNcIvIl and CeNsOrIoUs that is
[08:22:51] <Sulla> Oh damn we better all freak out, its .002%, .004%, and .003%
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[08:21:13] <Sulla> Dunno how accurate pfizer and moderna totals are, hard to find a specific 2021# of doses, but its gotta be pretty close
[08:20:33] <Sulla> According to VAERS for 2021, not accounting for cause. J&J at 154 deaths, So 154/7 million. Moderna at 1368 out of 33m. Pfizer at 1136 out of 36m
[08:13:45] <AzumaHazuki> write an emacs mode for it :v
[08:13:39] <Sulla> damn me btfo
[08:13:30] <c0lo> Sulla, why spend 30mins with manual operations when you can waste 2 days automating it. *And* including an email client into the tool.
[08:13:18] <AzumaHazuki> the heart and lungs are also intimately connected. pulmonry hypertension goes with heart failure for example
[08:13:14] <Sulla> I think the vast majority of issues will be similar to the normal rate of things occuring
[08:12:52] <AzumaHazuki> now the question here is, is the correlation a causation? remember covid causes multi-organ problems, ACE2 is constitutively expressed in the lungs and kidneys, and all the organs work together
[08:12:44] <Sulla> this is on a sheet i didn't even do anythign to, so not like i fialed and messed up a line
[08:12:10] <Sulla> recovered: y, symptoms: heart attack day after vaccine, died
[08:11:56] <Sulla> recovered: N, symptoms: bunch of heart shit, had heart attack, symptoms resolved and they went home, no further issues
[08:11:28] <Sulla> gg vaers
[08:11:11] <c0lo> Meh, crashing doesn't take *that* long.
[08:10:57] <Sulla> Eh all you gotta do is repaste the lookups as values then move on to next column
[08:09:58] <chromas> Assuming you can keep excel from crashing
[08:08:33] <c0lo> akka dakka aren't brutal, chromas
[08:08:21] <Sulla> Only gonna take me like a half hour to brute force it in excel
[08:08:06] <AzumaHazuki> energy and water are going to drive the future. i kept warning people china plays the long game and getting made fun of for it...
[08:07:49] <AzumaHazuki> how is it brutal power politics? it's just smart
[08:07:40] <c0lo> Sulla, "i dont wanna spent doo much time on it"... then don't use Excel.
[08:06:56] <chromas> AC⚡DC
[08:06:53] <chromas> both!
[08:06:39] <c0lo> Is "brutal" AC or DC?
[08:06:20] <Sulla> excel is a shit, but when im grabbing data off of csv files i dont wanna spent doo much time on it
[08:06:18] <systemd> ^ 03VOA
[08:06:17] <c0lo> Annalena Baerbock, the environmentalist Greens' candidate for [German] chancellorship... cited China's investment in infrastructure and energy grids through Central Asia to Europe as "brutal power politics." https://www.voanews.com
[08:05:49] * chromas remembers when Quattro could do 1 million rows while excel was still stuck at 32k or so
[08:05:37] <AzumaHazuki> excel is not a database @_@
[08:05:16] <Sulla> It's not that much data, 75k rows
[08:04:39] <chromas> well just pick one and stick to it
[08:04:03] <Sulla> I just gotta not write bad functions
[08:03:51] <Sulla> While there is some standardization across the symptoms there isn't enough to query it reliably
[08:03:17] <Sulla> Wont work without too much data manipulation
[08:02:47] <chromas> Sulla: how are your sql skillz? might be a better way to Access that data
[08:02:46] <AzumaHazuki> raise your hand if you saw this coming!
[08:02:27] <systemd> ^ 03China backs Russia after Putin warns West they'll regret crossing "red line"
[08:02:26] <c0lo> China's from behind this time around https://www.newsweek.com
[08:00:48] <c0lo> I know! Grant Nestle a license to bottle water on the Moon, those Chinese will run dry in no time.
[08:00:14] <AzumaHazuki> (I ask purely in the spirit of scientific inquiry)
[08:00:10] <Sulla> Crashed excel, this gonna be fun
[07:59:07] <AzumaHazuki> but do they like mmmmbananas? on the MEEEEEWWWWWWN, BEEEYIIIIIIITCH
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[07:58:24] <c0lo> =submit https://spacenews.com
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[07:48:58] <Sulla> so much for sleeping
[07:48:46] <Sulla> man this VEARS data is really interesting
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[07:47:42] <c0lo> (the Mexican took 5 mins to die)
[07:47:31] <AzumaHazuki> oooh, just had a nice idea: instant pot pasta primavera in a light cream/garlic sauce. am getting a liiiittle sick of rice and beans after 3 nights so that may be a nice change
[07:47:18] <systemd> ^ 03Body cam video shows Alameda officer kneeling on Mario Gonzalez before death
[07:47:17] <c0lo> Is someone running a comparative study on how long different ethnicities last with a police knee on their neck? https://www.ktvu.com
[07:45:58] <c0lo> Or maybe they'll resort on self-immolation over zoom, promoting it into burning men.
[07:44:21] <chromas> ooh, they could get enviro-friendly by digitally burning, man
[07:43:11] <c0lo> Or maybe they moved it over Zoom.
[07:43:10] <chromas> where will the hippies go?
[07:42:55] <systemd> ^ 03Burning Man festival cancels in-person event again because of Covid-19
[07:42:52] <c0lo> The totally censored the burning man. Again. Meh, less work for firemen, I guess https://edition.cnn.com
[07:41:09] <AzumaHazuki> some folks'll never eat a skunk but then again, some folks'll, like Cletuuuuussss, the slack-jawed yokeeeeel
[07:40:35] <c0lo> Who's Cletus? If you want something to be done, do it yourself
[07:35:22] <chromas> Why would Jesus do that when Cletus is already on the case?
[07:34:38] <chromas> I bet their water's probably the only thing in Cali to not have a Prop 65 warning
[07:34:31] * AzumaHazuki has this suspicion southerners think jesus can turn water into bathtub gin with an alarmingly high methanol content
[07:33:14] <chromas> California finally doing something right. Fuck Nestlé
[07:32:25] <Sulla> create your own demand
[07:32:11] <Sulla> bottled water companies really like production in drought areas
[07:31:28] <systemd> ^ 03Drought-hit California moves to halt Nestlé from taking millions of gallons of water
[07:31:27] <c0lo> Nestle should move its instant coffee production in CA https://www.theguardian.com
[07:30:34] <Sulla> if he needs to make some money with some "miracles" so he can pay the state, more power to him
[07:30:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Chinese Smart TV-Maker Accused of Spying on Owners&#x27; Other Devices" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:30:18] <c0lo> =submit https://www.rfa.org
[07:30:07] <Sulla> He always seemed like a good guy to me, tellin people to pay their taxes and stuff
[07:30:06] <AzumaHazuki> pssh, he just had a bad weekend is all. some sacrifice
[07:29:45] <FatPhil> Jesus was just doing a time out in the naughty box?
[07:29:34] <c0lo> suicide illegal, punishable by death penalty.
[07:29:22] <chromas> must be what jesus was doing
[07:28:54] <chromas> is death a penalty though? like you go sit in a box for five minutes then come back to life?
[07:28:43] <FatPhil> just watch a few more episodes of /ow! my balls/ to cheer yourself up.
[07:28:29] <chromas> death penalty!
[07:28:28] <Sulla> gg legal system
[07:28:23] <Sulla> yeah, so you chrage him for attempted suicide to make sure he does it right next time i guess
[07:28:05] <FatPhil> not read the story
[07:28:01] <AzumaHazuki> and this makes them less miserable and suicidal how precisely...?
[07:27:57] <FatPhil> headline implies the opposite
[07:27:50] <FatPhil> what makes you think he's dead?
[07:27:46] <Sulla> i assume you just charge the one sthat fail at it
[07:27:40] <Sulla> dunno how one charges a dead person for suicide,
[07:27:25] <chromas> charge next of kin
[07:27:24] <FatPhil> chauvin's unintentional murder charges were separate from this manslaughter charge
[07:27:10] <AzumaHazuki> and how will they charge a dead man? do they have a spirit medium on the court staff?
[07:27:01] <chromas> Sulla: building your own keyboard with QMK shouldn't be too hard if you've got a spare arduino or whatever sitting around. Then you can wire up whatever switches you want and make them be any keys
[07:26:56] <Sulla> i think suicide can be prosecuted in some states as well
[07:26:48] <Sulla> Manslaughter yeah
[07:26:34] <FatPhil> depends on the state. "unintentional murder" seems to be a thing in some states, for example.
[07:25:53] <AzumaHazuki> i saw that earlier. how awful. this is another reason that if, Law of Cycles forbid i ever commit suicide, it's going to be chemical and indoors
[07:25:43] <Sulla> What kind of charges would that lead to
[07:25:14] <systemd> ^ 0329-year-old woman killed after man who jumped off building landed on top of her
[07:25:13] <c0lo> Ewwww, shit https://www.fox29.com
[07:23:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cyber-attack Hackers Threaten to Share US Police Informant Data" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:23:23] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[07:22:42] <Sulla> I'll have a full disassembly pic of it up in the journal tomorrow
[07:22:19] <Sulla> essentially just "stretching" out the connecter on the bottom of the switches
[07:22:07] <Sulla> then wiring from one to the other
[07:22:03] <Sulla> but what i'll be doign to stretch out the keys more, is making a board that will float above it
[07:21:46] <Sulla> So i'm going to use the pcb out of a hotswappable keyboard. the kalih boxes would just fit in it normally and work fine
[07:21:40] <boru> But that will depend on what the switching speed of the pins on the microcontroller inside are.
[07:21:14] <boru> Hmm. Well, depending on how the keys are wired up, you may have to connect them differently. I doubt the cables will add enough capacitance to the traces to be a problem.
[07:20:34] <FatPhil> Reading the honey story, and basically everything he said is either wrong or not-even-wrong
[07:20:30] <Sulla> im a noob to this
[07:20:26] <Sulla> dunno what that even means
[07:20:19] <boru> What sort of key matrix is it using?
[07:20:07] <Sulla> I'm getting close
[07:20:02] <FatPhil> fuck me, fakefuck69 is teh derp
[07:19:55] <boru> May vary, even.
[07:19:48] <Sulla> Ah
[07:19:44] <boru> Your mileage my vary.
[07:19:38] <Sulla> YMMV?
[07:19:19] <Sulla> so they wont fit on any modern keyboard, unless i were to cut stuff like the spacebar and make it skinner
[07:19:01] <boru> I think YMMV with this project.
[07:18:53] <Sulla> but the old hp boards keys run like 1in wider
[07:18:42] <Sulla> so the caps will connect fine
[07:18:36] <Sulla> Gonna have a converter from cherry mx to the box under the hp one
[07:18:33] <boru> On the custom board.
[07:18:26] <boru> Or use those caps with the other switches, just space them out more for these caps
[07:18:08] <Sulla> the hp keyboard was a rubber dome so completely unusable, but the caps are 1337 af
[07:18:06] <boru> Sure, but you can have new caps made.
[07:17:53] <Sulla> because the keycaps from the hp terminal keyboard are too small
[07:17:42] <Sulla> then i'll run wires from the connectors down to the pcb
[07:17:33] <boru> If you're going through the trouble of a custom board, why not just lay it out for these switches and desolder them?
[07:17:26] <Sulla> I organized it all and drilled the holes so they will mount to it
[07:17:13] <Sulla> I had some of that real thick railroading cardboard, which is more like mdf
[07:16:56] <Sulla> Kalih box navy
[07:16:51] <boru> Surface mount? Through-hole? Are they plate mounted or PCB mounted?
[07:16:33] <boru> What sort of switches are we talking about?
[07:15:36] <AzumaHazuki> i am really not sure
[07:12:54] <Sulla> I need to know so i can order it on amazon and go to sleep
[07:12:34] <Sulla> what gauge wire would i use to go between them
[07:12:28] <Sulla> ive got a pcb for a modern keyboard thats all scrunched up and modern. I want to use more wider keys off of a old hp terminal keyboard. To this end i'm goign to attach the switches to a custom board, and then wire them to the pcb
[07:11:26] <Sulla> Okay serious question. You're the braintrust so I'm sure you know
[07:10:29] <AzumaHazuki> i'd prefer Alia, Layer, Marino, Cinnamon etc. of course (not Iris because hoooooly crap did someone say yandere?)
[07:09:57] <AzumaHazuki> ....rockman x and zero?
[07:09:46] <FatPhil> Don't worry, we'll all be watched over by machines of loving grace.
[07:09:33] <AzumaHazuki> the breakthrough will likely be someone poor but clever pulling off a myriad of hacks, essentially Bayesian-poisoning the automation chain
[07:09:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Humans Need Not Apply (15:01; 13,899,228 views; 👍302,800 👎6,196)
[07:09:00] <FatPhil> =yt humans need not apply
[07:08:58] <AzumaHazuki> knowing how things are, all that will happen is the benefits of automation will trickle up and millions of already poor people will be out of work
[07:08:38] <AzumaHazuki> i suspect that the coming era of automation is going to cause massive widespread economic misery early on. the idea that we'll have leisurely lives would ONLY hold if we can all access the benefits
[07:07:46] <FatPhil> totally. Like Freud in his field.
[07:07:30] <FatPhil> As I said - management "won" that dispute by letting the unions "win". There are many layers...
[07:07:26] <AzumaHazuki> Marx was correct about most of the problems, but incorrect about the solutions. he's a natural-born critic, meaning, look to him for descriptions of the issues but for the love of Polly-O string cheese do NOT ask him to solve them
[07:06:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Measurement of Lead Nucleus Suggests Neutron Stars are Larger than Previously Predicted - https://sylnt.us - thick-skinned
[07:06:36] <FatPhil> Never read Marx in that case, he'll wind you up good and proper.
[07:06:11] <AzumaHazuki> it may be the union's main purpose is to frazzle management to the point they (management) are too brainfried to do really horrible things
[07:06:00] <Sulla> As far as i can tell HR finds ways to punish employes to justify their continued existance
[07:05:36] <FatPhil> You know how shouty I get when I see illogic? One particular meeting made me utterly mad. I was not allowed to say anything. I literally heard the union guys say "red is green" at one point.
[07:05:21] <AzumaHazuki> this is the fundamental spiritual killer in the way we do capitalism: treating labor, workers, PEOPLE, as means to an end when people are the end for which we pursue economic activity
[07:04:43] <AzumaHazuki> management is not and never will be the worker's friend. "human resources" makes me think "soylent green"
[07:04:11] <FatPhil> OK, the unions were only playing 4-dimensional uberchess, with workers' rights being irrelevant. The management won the game by letting the union "win" that dispute. Fascinating stuff. Scary.
[07:04:04] <Sulla> Yeah
[07:03:19] <AzumaHazuki> this will be a huge existential burden off me. knowing i'm safe no matter what (barring, you know, civil war and whatnot) i can calm way down
[07:02:26] <FatPhil> indeed.
[07:02:24] <AzumaHazuki> if i can get this apartment i've been looking at locked in tomorrow i'm safe no matter what happens. mother's coming from NYC and we're splitting rent, but it's way cheaper including utils than she currently pays alone now
[07:01:49] <AzumaHazuki> still would rather have the union than not
[07:01:28] <FatPhil> I did some workshadowing while at uni at a large company right at the time there was a medium-sized union dispute. Access to everything, both the meetings with the union and the meetings of just the managers afterwards. It was 5-dimensional hyperchess being played. The workers' rights were irrelevant.
[07:01:27] <AzumaHazuki> okay, and beware the fallacy of composition
[07:00:48] <Sulla> and the actual fireworkers get shafted
[07:00:40] <Sulla> So the reps keep getting pay increases to convince them to bargain better
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[07:00:16] <Sulla> our fire union has torpedo'd any increases in fire salaries because they keep asking for 10%, when the arbitrator they chose will go with either option and not allow negotating a middle
[06:59:34] <AzumaHazuki> if thuggery is human nature i want some thugs on my side
[06:59:33] <Sulla> that was the point i was trying to make
[06:59:23] <AzumaHazuki> bingo
[06:59:19] <FatPhil> They're like democracy. The only things worse than them are the absense of them.
[06:59:08] <AzumaHazuki> you're "not a fan of unions" because 1) you don't remember what it was like without them and 2) anti-union propaganda highlights specific abuses of the concept (police unions) to turn you against the entire class
[06:58:40] <AzumaHazuki> they are needed almost everywhere, don't kid yourself
[06:57:32] <Sulla> like car insurance
[06:57:24] <Sulla> In general I'm not a fan of unions, but when they are needed they ARE needed
[06:56:53] <AzumaHazuki> the union's already filed official reports about this and is shoring up the "non-retaliation clause" defense, which will throw a nice monkey wrench into whatever shenans these assholes are planning
[06:56:01] <AzumaHazuki> wise men fear three things: a night without a moon, a ship on the sea in a storm, and the anger of a gentle (wo)man.
[06:55:40] <FatPhil> good
[06:55:36] <AzumaHazuki> oh-hooooo yes
[06:55:29] <FatPhil> keeping a diary?
[06:55:15] <AzumaHazuki> what i witnessed that last shift was neglect that put patients in danger of life and limb
[06:55:04] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i know. i am prepared to be targeted and essentially harassed out of this job "by the book." At which point I will get the hospital's accredition agency AND the NYS DoH down on that pharmacy like a ton of rectangular buildin'-things
[06:54:59] <Sulla> That's management though. They always assume a good worker will just keep on working and ignore any issues they might have
[06:54:17] <FatPhil> of course, it is going to heighten tensions too
[06:54:14] <AzumaHazuki> if my manager had the brains Madokami gave a treestump he'd be doing everything in his power to smooth all this out. he needs people like me
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[06:53:55] <FatPhil> I hope that works out
[06:53:49] <Sulla> Good
[06:53:36] <AzumaHazuki> i got a couple of completely bullshit writeups and the union person is so disgusted with them she actually outright said she was going to grievance them without me even thinking to ask
[06:53:01] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, at this rate i will likely end up on low-dose sertraline (Zoloft) for a while. it seems to be the most benign SSRI and is specifically indicated for PTSD
[06:52:50] <FatPhil> Fuck Amazon
[06:52:36] <Sulla> BENZOS
[06:52:33] <Sulla> Good to take time for yourself to recoup though
[06:52:30] <FatPhil> just pop some druuugs, and you'll be back on the conveyerbelt soon enough!
[06:52:23] <AzumaHazuki> this is a warning, a big one, that i can't take on the entire world alone and need to ask for help when things get to be too much
[06:51:47] <AzumaHazuki> burnt out really bad. out till 3 June. Need to see doctors for body and mind both
[06:51:34] <Sulla> Medical leave?
[06:51:16] <AzumaHazuki> i've had a few days off thanks to this medical leave and have been allowing myself to admit just how dysfunctional and toxic it is in there
[06:51:15] <Sulla> Work and home maint
[06:50:52] <boru> Well, haven't seen Sulla for a while.
[06:50:41] <AzumaHazuki> and said "lunatic" also, as the FIRST CONVERSATION SHE EVER HAD WITH ME HOLY FUCK, was constantly dumping on management, telling me my manager's derogatory nickname he got for sucking at IV making and how he got "kicked upstairs" because he wasn't good in the pharmacy but had a PharmD
[06:50:37] <Sulla> Are they the kind of workers where its "i guess its better than nothing" or "it would be easier if they were gone"
[06:50:33] <FatPhil> as long as they're not fucking about with the tablets
[06:49:49] <AzumaHazuki> one outright said another is a "lunatic" to me. said lunatic correctly pointed out that the first one (and his partner, who hs a stare i can only call "crocodilian") are constantly fucking around on their tablets
[06:49:35] <Sulla> brings the whole moral down and spreads like a plague
[06:49:18] <Sulla> thats awful
[06:49:15] <Sulla> But then again i guess thats why i end up working 10 or 12 hour days salary
[06:49:09] <AzumaHazuki> the night shift pharmacists are dysfunctional as hell. they will outright trashtalk one another behind their backs (and to MY face, Jesus!)
[06:48:45] <Sulla> Sounds like hell. I dont know how someone could do that when they know its important
[06:48:43] <AzumaHazuki> we kept asking them to please check/confirm so we could label and send them. they sat there for over an hour each. and guess who had to field all the panicked phone calls?
[06:48:20] <AzumaHazuki> a sedative for an ICU patient and TWO bags of IV blood thinner for someone on one of the cardiac units
[06:48:02] <AzumaHazuki> the last shift i worked, they flat neglected several important meds that we techs jumped on and made as soon as the orders came through
[06:47:51] <Sulla> lame
[06:47:38] <AzumaHazuki> those idiots dropped me into the IV room 4 nights in a row in the worst demand I've ever seen as basically a newbie, and the pharmacists were awful
[06:47:03] <Sulla> Depending on your state can be worth way more to not work right now, so those who want to have to pull a much worse load
[06:46:33] <AzumaHazuki> and the worst possible timing...we've lost 5 (!) people in the space of 2 weeks. 3 retirements, one disability, and one probationary who just...stopped showing up
[06:46:10] * AzumaHazuki wishes she hadn't burnt out and ended up on medical leave, is going to be out till 3 June >< Probably will get harassed out of the job too
[06:45:56] <FatPhil> and one of the things i love is how the fields of IT and medicine dovetail - maximise the potential for fuckups!
[06:45:54] <Sulla> I'd like to think that. But ive been hearing too many horror stories. Friend's pharmacy that my wife also works at fires a lot of doctors from sending prescriptions over to them due to liability. The issue is that there is gonna be some pharmacy that will fill them
[06:45:20] <AzumaHazuki> yes. this one is so, so, so important though. i'm finding it's weirdly similar to IT except way higher stakes
[06:45:09] <FatPhil> except excecutioner, of course
[06:44:59] <FatPhil> competent enough to not kill people sounds like a good qualifier for most professions
[06:44:14] <AzumaHazuki> i can't believe that...there are national standards to pass, rigorous ones. Passing the NAPLEX and doing continuing ed means at very least all pharmacists are minimally competent not to kill someone
[06:44:02] <Sulla> Best friend graduated top of his class a few years back and has been training interns. His background was chemistry so the whole thing was easy for him. But for the vast majority they lack the understanding of how or why the drugs work the way they do, just that they are supposed to be used for X purpose
[06:43:09] <Sulla> In general most of the people who go to pharmacy school are pretty failure
[06:42:45] <AzumaHazuki> last thing i need to do is get pharmacists worried i'm some kind of threat to their position (How? poor girls don't go to pharmacy school)
[06:42:44] <Sulla> That is very sad
[06:42:24] <AzumaHazuki> i seem to be one of the only techs who does. most of my coworkers don't seem to know much about actual pharmacology...and it occurs to me to keep quiet about what i DO know
[06:41:48] <Sulla> I would assume you woudl distrust them more because you work in a pharmacy
[06:39:57] <AzumaHazuki> benzodiazepines pose a known dementia risk with longterm use, most NSAIDs can cause both abnormal bleeding *and* cardiovascular issues, etc etc
[06:39:28] <AzumaHazuki> then there's the SSRIs, whose mechanism of action we don't TRULY understand yet (and I sub'd a few stories about how they may actually be working, and it has sod-all to do with serotonin), not to mention their long-term effects
[06:38:02] <AzumaHazuki> haloperidol (Haldol) gets given out like candy on stroke/neuro wards, and those are some of the LAST patients I would ever personally use that on
[06:37:28] <AzumaHazuki> with stated intention of using it to get an elderly patient to shut up. those meds are...dangerous in the elderly
[06:37:12] <AzumaHazuki> they have their place, but i have heard some awful things about how they're used. some nurse referred to Seroquel (quetiapine) as "quiet-a-pine" in earshot of me once
[06:36:07] <FatPhil> the more you know ...
[06:35:57] <FatPhil> you could replace "despite" with "because"
[06:35:42] <AzumaHazuki> the entire class of antipsychotics scares the merciless habanaro shits out of me for example
[06:35:19] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla, it may surprise you how much i distrust many medicines despite working in a pharmacy
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[05:48:35] <Bytram> that's it for me. Have a great night everybody!
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[05:31:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pfizer Covid-19 Pill: Race Against Time for the Antiviral Cure" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:31:37] <c0lo> =submit https://greekreporter.com
[05:31:28] <c0lo> Ok.
[05:31:07] <Bytram> Dunno about you but I should be sound asleep right now, and as soon as I can push out one more story that is exactly where I intend to be!
[05:29:29] <c0lo> (my search favors Oz and UK sources)
[05:28:58] <systemd> ^ 03pfizer covid pill - Google Search
[05:28:57] <c0lo> bytram, pick one https://www.google.com
[05:21:07] <c0lo> So? I saw stories based on FA years ago.
[05:19:26] <Bytram> "To mark the end of a turbulent year, we are bringing back some of our favourite stories " original story was dated 2020-01-08
[05:08:47] <c0lo> (beer, may increase the size of your belly)
[05:03:57] <c0lo> Summary: statins - use for lowering the cholesterol, may make you cranky or suicidal. Requip, symptomatic Parkinson treatment, may make you a gambler or sex addict. Anti-obesity Duromine and sedatives lower inhibitions, may lead to murder
[05:02:46] <Bytram> tx!
[05:02:41] <Bytram> saw that, too, will take another look at it -- deep in something already atm
[04:58:41] <systemd> ^ 03The Medications That Change Who We are: SoylentNews Submission
[04:58:37] <c0lo> bytram, try this one, no pharmacology involved https://soylentnews.org
[04:46:01] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I found it interesting, but am struggling with how to -- intelligently -- chop it down for fair use. I can follow the words, have a fair understand of basic chemistry, but it's too much of a stretch for me. Could you manually resubmit it, shrunk down to 350-400 words?
[04:25:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Approves Starlink Orbit Modifications Over Competitors' Objections, and More - https://sylnt.us - sour-grapes?
[02:24:38] <systemd> ^ 03New York Post reporter resigns saying she was 'ordered' to write 'incorrect' story on Kamala Harris' book at a migrant shelter
[02:24:36] <c0lo> https://www.businessinsider.com.au
[02:09:51] <Bender> karma - bacterium: 1
[02:09:51] <c0lo> bacterium++ for the idea of A/B testing on a suicide line. For improving the performance of the system, of course
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[01:57:36] <Sulla> Interesting article on drug effects. Good reason to stay away from anything you don't actually need
[01:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Promised its Contact Tracing App was Completely Private--But It Wasn’t - https://sylnt.us - google-exposing-privates
[01:12:35] <AzumaHazuki> pssh, i submitted it, so not likely. it's STEM, not clickbaity enough, and not guaranteed to make lots of loud, noisy discussion
[01:08:23] <systemd> ^ 03The Medications That Change Who We are: SoylentNews Submission
[01:08:20] <c0lo> I found https://soylentnews.org quite interesting, maybe the eds can consider it for the front page
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[00:02:23] <Sulla> Tried multiple browsers
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[00:01:11] <bacterium> one makes it all ok in the end by sending condolescing postcards to surviving relatives
[00:01:04] <Guest44566> Why would the webclient say i cannot connect to teh remote server?
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[00:00:24] <bacterium> a more dramatic version of this would be volunteering to suicide hotline and then feeding a script that encourages suicide, in an attempt to detect the difference of proportions