#soylent | Logs for 2021-02-16
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[00:06:59] <AzumaHazuki> Memo to Cuckaway1956: shit you say on the internet is forever :D watch your mouth!
[00:07:10] <AzumaHazuki> (don't bother replying, I've got you on ignore)
[00:08:54] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: You appear in this channel and the first thing I saw you do is insult a member of the community. Remember: "shit you say on the internet is forever :D watch your mouth!"
[00:09:24] <AzumaHazuki> I know, the channel's logged :) Good. Posterity will see it.
[00:10:11] <Bytram> One hour timeout coming your way
[00:10:19] <Bytram> .devoice AzumaHazuki
[00:10:19] -!- mode/#soylent [-v AzumaHazuki] by Aphrodite
[00:11:18] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: This is the primary channel people enter when joining our IRC. You have received prior warnings.
[00:11:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, devoice doesn't do anything unless the channel is moderated =P
[00:11:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think you were looking for .quiet
[00:11:50] <AzumaHazuki> who pissed in your whole-grain oatie-Os this morning?
[00:11:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Shhhhh!
[00:12:03] <Bytram> 135+140
[00:12:33] <AzumaHazuki> Don't worry, I'm busy with other stuff, so go ahead and silence me for an hour. That, too, will be noted...when people see "Oh, this guy cares more about tone than content."
[00:13:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet AzumaHazuki
[00:13:38] -!- mode/#soylent [+q *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[00:13:43] <Bytram> I have seen Runaway1956 make a genuine effort to be civil in this channel, as was requested directory of him and of you.
[00:16:34] * Runaway1956 prefers milled oatie-Os to whole grain
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[00:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, see, the thing is, this ain't the place for that shit. this is the very first place folks land when they feel the need to converse with staff realtime. you can verbally castrate anyone you like as often as you like on the site either in comments or journals but this here particular channel needs to not be Ragefest 2021.
[00:21:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ Thanks for putting it so succinctly.
[00:21:57] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 417
[00:26:01] <Runaway1956> Martyb++
[00:26:01] <Bender> karma - martyb: 18
[00:26:11] <Runaway1956> TheMightyBuzzard++
[00:26:11] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 418
[00:26:36] <Runaway1956> Ooops
[00:26:41] <Runaway1956> Bytram++
[00:26:41] <Bender> karma - bytram: 158
[00:26:47] <Runaway1956> martyb--
[00:26:48] <Bender> karma - martyb: 17
[00:26:49] <Runaway1956> lol
[00:32:27] <Bytram> Even when combined, it looks like still have a ways to go!
[00:34:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, since i'm not really in a position to pay attention for an hour, ima say point made and go back to being busy.
[00:34:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> .unquiet AzumaHazuki
[00:34:44] -!- mode/#soylent [-q *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[00:35:01] <AzumaHazuki> LOL!
[00:35:34] <AzumaHazuki> Just so you know, some of this stuff leaks back into the forums. someone posted the precise same comment, byte for byte, twice, so one got a Troll and the second got a Spam. Play Stupid Games etc
[00:37:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, already addressed: https://soylentnews.org
[00:37:52] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Parler is Back Online After a Month of Downtime ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:38:35] <AzumaHazuki> It's a lot of work keeping the admins on the straight and narrow about stuff like that. s'why I make it very visible
[00:40:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> grassy ass. i got a pretty stable moral compass but ain't none of us anything but fallible human beings.
[00:40:40] <AzumaHazuki> that would have gotten a real-life LOL if i were the kind to real-life LOL
[00:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should try, makes the house more pleasant to be in
[00:41:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, gotta scoot for a bit. yall have a pleasant, restful evening.
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[01:45:15] <SwahiliWilli> lol @ AzumaHazuki
[01:45:43] <AzumaHazuki> u mad, bro? as the kiddies are wont to say
[01:46:08] <SwahiliWilli> lol
[01:46:52] * Bytram yawns
[01:46:52] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[01:47:28] <AzumaHazuki> yup, someone's mad :)
[01:47:52] <Bytram> =yt bert & I mad dog
[01:47:52] <systemd> https://youtube.com - BERT Neural Network - EXPLAINED! (11:37; 53,126 views; 👍2,181 👎17)
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[01:48:06] <Bytram> =yt "bert & I" mad dog
[01:48:07] <systemd> https://youtube.com - BERT Neural Network - EXPLAINED! (11:37; 53,126 views; 👍2,181 👎17)
[01:48:18] <Bytram> =yt "bert and I" "mad dog"
[01:48:19] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Mad Dog -- Robert Bryan & Marshall Dodge (21; 164 views; 👍0 👎0)
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[01:49:56] <AzumaHazuki> you forgot to change your name, SW :) your new hostmasks popped up with the same identifier before the not-a-domain-name
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[02:00:46] <kyonko`> steiner's gate is a visual novel
[02:00:56] <kyonko`> its like a lazy version of an rpg
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[02:12:27] <progo> Bytram: I learned years ago from "Bert and I" tapes my grandparents had: sea gulls and summer people get their goddamned nosese into everything
[02:12:30] <progo> *noses
[02:13:20] <Alfred> whowas swahiliwilli
[02:13:42] <Bytram> prolly EF
[02:14:52] <Bytram> Their humor was so dry, it should have been declared a fire hazard.
[02:15:35] <progo> "come to think of it, you can't get there, from here."
[02:16:23] <Bytram> "Don't you move a god-damned nch"
[02:16:29] <progo> ++
[02:16:39] <Bytram> s/ n/ in/
[02:16:39] <SedBot> <Bytram> "Don't you move a god-damned inch"
[02:17:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Is This Beverly Hills Cop Playing Sublime’s ‘Santeria’ to Avoid Being Live-Streamed? - https://sylnt.us - copyright-law-enforcement
[02:17:48] <Bytram> I can't remember the name of it, but one of my favorites involved a fairgrounds, a coupe, and a ride in an airplane.
[02:17:59] <progo> I've been trying to settle down and write a pastebin (to my specifications) all weekend (bank holiday today). my latest obstacle is a 10 minute sneezing fit. I think I should give up
[02:18:00] <Bytram> s/pe/ple/
[02:18:00] <SedBot> <Bytram> I can't remember the name of it, but one of my favorites involved a fairgrounds, a couple, and a ride in an airplane.
[02:18:34] <Bytram> yep... give up sneezing!!!
[02:18:52] <progo> Bytram: i thought it was a baloon. "where are we?" "you're in a baloon, you goddamned fool."
[02:18:57] <progo> *balloon
[02:19:12] <Bytram> different story
[02:19:22] <progo> okay i don't know the airplane one
[02:19:42] <Bytram> =yt "bert and I" "stunt plane"
[02:19:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Fun Day in the Stagger EZ (03:26; 6,125 views; 👍132 👎9)
[02:20:00] <Bytram> hmmm
[02:20:32] <Bytram> =yt "Robert Bryan & Marshall Dodge" "stunt plane"
[02:20:33] <systemd> https://youtube.com - No News -- Robert Bryan & Marshall Dodge (01:11; 399 views; 👍5 👎0)
[02:21:06] <progo> I'm not messing with youtube. I'm on a Raspberry Pi and I refuse to use Chrome
[02:21:20] <Bytram> =yt "Robert Bryan & Marshall Dodge" "plane"
[02:21:21] <systemd> https://youtube.com - No News -- Robert Bryan & Marshall Dodge (01:11; 399 views; 👍5 👎0)
[02:21:24] <progo> it seems that the reason Youtube is so slow on slow computers is you're not using Chrome, and they ship nasty bad code if you don't
[02:21:35] <progo> this is the reason Microsoft Edge team gave up on their browser engine
[02:21:41] <Bytram> =g youtube-dl
[02:21:42] <systemd> https://rg3.github.io - youtube-dl
[02:21:56] <progo> vlc plays youtube fine. that's too many steps for casual conversation :^b
[02:22:09] <Bytram> progo: ^^^ works like a charm
[02:22:35] <progo> copying and pasting a url is too many steps for casual conversation
[02:23:07] <Bytram> handles many more site besides just yt
[02:23:21] <Bytram> k
[02:23:40] <Bytram> which model Pi do you have?
[02:24:02] <progo> raspberry pi 4 (B?) in a tiny box with a fan
[02:24:05] <progo> on a 4k display
[02:24:30] <progo> I bought it for a presentation. it suits me as a desktop though, as long as I'm not using Office 365 or anything Google
[02:24:33] <progo> which I'm not
[02:24:49] <Bytram> neat
[02:24:58] <Bytram> how much memory?
[02:25:16] <progo> *I bought the 4k display because windows on my employer laptop is terrible at rendering low-res fonts, and this display wasn't expensive
[02:25:29] <progo> the Pi has 8GB of RAM
[02:27:05] * Bytram has a 4K UHD TV as his monitor, but this old laptop can't drive it that high. I've using it at 1920 x 1280
[02:27:42] <Bytram> My laptop has 4 GB RAM.
[02:28:20] <Bytram> otoh, I do have a 1 TB SSD, which *really* helps a lot! Speedy little bugger. it is.
[02:28:40] <progo> I was thinking of switching the Pi to 2k/1080p (exactly 1/4 resolution) but it feels like a waste to do it
[02:29:11] <progo> I need to work out how to script media players to run full screen 1080p, while everything else runs at full resolution
[02:29:19] <Bytram> The first computer I ever bought had 4 KB RAM.
[02:29:19] <progo> not high priority but I know you can do that in Ubuntu
[02:29:48] <Bytram> sounds like it would be really nice -- best of luck to you!
[02:29:49] <Runaway1956> Well, crap - I guess we're in line for rolling blackouts starting tomorrow
[02:30:03] <progo> sorry Runaway1956. texas?
[02:30:06] <Runaway1956> https://www.ktbs.com
[02:30:08] <systemd> ^ 03Power outages caused by winter storm force rolling blackouts across Texas
[02:30:11] <Bytram> break time (aka time to do the dishes)
[02:30:28] <Runaway1956> I'm in Arkansas, but the wife just told me that we are part of it
[02:30:45] <Runaway1956> some part of our electricity comes from or through Texas
[02:31:25] * Bytram notes we have a story coming out on that very topic in a bit over 2 hrs from now
[02:31:44] <Bytram> biab
[02:32:03] <Bytram> Runaway1956: hope everything works out okay for ya!
[02:32:18] <Bytram> afk
[02:32:23] <Runaway1956> Well, part of our heat is electric, but we have propane as well
[02:32:24] <progo> Runaway1956: do you have head and/or enough insulation?
[02:32:40] <progo> ah
[02:32:40] <Bytram> progo: s/ad/at/
[02:32:56] <Runaway1956> We're alright for heat - but, "enough insulation" is a matter of opinion
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[02:41:42] <Runaway1956> TMB's sub on penises is at least half interesting
[02:42:00] <Runaway1956> Not that I've ever put my penis on a pedestal . . .
[02:51:59] <Runaway1956> My feeds are full of "gorilla glue girl" headlines - have been for days
[02:52:16] <Runaway1956> Shit so stupid, it makes you want to cry, because people are that dumb
[02:52:21] <chromas> nice break from trumporona
[02:53:06] <Runaway1956> I seriously think that if I were that dumb, I would do everything possible to hide it
[02:53:55] <chromas> if you were that dumb, would you be aware of it?
[03:01:40] <Runaway1956> I guess you probably wouldn't be aware of it
[03:02:22] <Runaway1956> Christ I'm worn out - in and out of the house all day, and the cold kicking my ass all the way
[03:04:31] <Runaway1956> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[03:04:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Neanderthals Used Stone Tool Tech Once Considered Exclusive to Homo Sapiens" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:05:04] <Runaway1956> That story might be a waste - I don't know why anyone would believe that neanderthals did not use tools
[03:05:52] <Runaway1956> One of those stories from southern Africa linked fire to ancestors older than neantherthal or homo sapiens
[03:07:01] <Runaway1956> https://www.smithsonianmag.com
[03:07:02] <systemd> ^ 03The Earliest Example of Hominid Fire
[03:10:46] <chromas> they might've been using tools that were homo-only
[03:11:01] <chromas> conversely, we humans probably used no-homo tools
[03:11:31] <Runaway1956> Aren't there any homo-neutral non-gendered tools?
[03:15:24] <Runaway1956> https://nebelwelt.net
[03:15:58] <Runaway1956> don't know if that's "newsworthy" chromas - it looks interesting, but I'm not a coder or anything
[03:17:30] <kyonko`> you won't be having any fire where you are going buddy
[03:28:38] * Bytram had completely run out of steam -- see you tomrrow!11
[03:30:54] <Runaway1956> Florida kid, Florida kid, does whatever a meth kid can
[03:30:58] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[03:30:59] <systemd> ^ 03Florida 7-year-old survives sanitation truck dump after hiding in garbage can
[03:46:25] <Runaway1956> https://kfor.com
[03:46:41] <systemd> ^ 03Stunning video captures fiery electrical surge traveling down power line during storm
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[04:16:39] <bacteria> yeah well wow is kinda same perspective, though definitely very different in oh so many ways
[04:17:17] <bacteria> satan++
[04:17:17] <Bender> karma - satan: 10
[04:24:03] <chromas> Runaway1956: you could write up something on the closure thing. looks like nobody else has
[04:24:17] <chromas> at least, all I've seen so far is other sites linking to the pdf with no comments
[04:27:13] <chromas> actually, two pdfs. one has plural "enclosures" and is much shorter
[04:46:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Texas’ Power Grid Crumples Under the Cold; Millions Without Power, Cell Phone Service Disrupted - https://sylnt.us - can-we-save-some-of-that-for-the-summer?
[04:55:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, penises are always interesting. unfortunately they're mostly interesting in the chinese curse sort of way unless the one in question is mine.
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[07:17:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ebola is Back: Liberia on Alert, Guinea and the DRC Report Deaths - https://sylnt.us
[07:20:08] <chromas> hasn't it been back for a couple years now?
[07:25:09] <kyonko`> chromas: BUT THIS TIME THE WORLD IS READY
[07:26:31] <chromas> Good point. I'm already quintuply-masked
[07:27:44] <kyonko`> chromas: put out that fire in your chest
[07:27:47] <kyonko`> snuff it
[07:28:23] <chromas> don't snuff my heart
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[10:10:46] <Ingar> wtf
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[10:10:56] <Ingar> soylentnews.org is broken
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[10:11:00] <Ingar> www.soylentnews.org is not
[10:15:57] <Ingar> works now, wtf
[10:17:15] <Ingar> images and colors were gone
[10:17:42] <Ingar> also, Ebola never went away
[10:36:27] <chromas> sn has ebola
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[10:42:24] <drussell_> CSS is disappearing intermittently again...
[10:43:27] <drussell_> Looks like Ingar noticed about half an hour ago also ^^^
[10:44:02] <Ingar> ah is that what happens
[10:44:41] <Ingar> heh it's the other way aroudn now, CSS on soylentnews.org, no CSS on www.soylentnews.org
[10:47:03] <drussell_> It is basically random on any one page.
[10:47:14] <drussell_> A reaload or two will return with CSS functional
[10:48:59] <drussell_> Oh, and note that comment counts on the main page are not updating again either...
[11:04:04] <c0lo> curl https://soylentnews.org | less
[11:04:06] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[11:05:14] <c0lo> bytram rot
[11:05:26] <c0lo> #blame
[11:05:38] <c0lo> !blame
[11:05:46] <c0lo> =blame
[11:05:46] * systemd points at Bytram
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[12:09:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> drussell_, Ingar: sorted. now ima go start coffee and have a smoke.
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[12:17:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple is Offering Free Apple Watch Repairs to Fix Power Reserve Charging Issue - https://sylnt.us || Zero-Days Under Active Exploit Are Keeping Windows Users Busy - https://sylnt.us - never-ending-battle
[12:30:44] * Bytram looked; see no CSS issues, counts seem ok
[12:39:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, see above.
[12:40:19] <Bytram> phone
[12:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'aight, i ain't sticking around this morning anyway
[13:05:16] <Bytram> back
[13:05:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Ahhh, I see it now. Tx!
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[14:37:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Prove That Deepfake Detectors Can be Duped - https://sylnt.us - back-and-forth
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[14:50:46] <Runaway1956> =submit https://nationalfile.com
[14:50:49] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03WATCH: Woman Gets Late-Night Police Visit for Anti-Mask Facebook Posts" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:58:00] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[14:58:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Revealed: Monsanto Owner and US Officials Pressured Mexico to Drop Glyphosate Ban" (35p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:06:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Texas’ Power Grid Crumples Under the Cold; Millions W/O Power, Cell Phone Service Disrupted[UPDATED] - https://sylnt.us - can-we-save-some-of-that-for-the-summer?
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[15:22:43] <BL00DDRINK3R> let the drinking commence !
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[15:27:23] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[15:27:25] <systemd> ^ 03We’re taking every-thong! Ukrainian bailiffs confiscate women’s PANTIES for Ministry of Justice auction to pay down debts
[15:36:10] <Runaway1956> =submit https://sputniknews.com
[15:36:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03China Eyeing Rare Earth Export Restrictions Targeting US Defence Industry, Report Says" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:46:12] <BL00DDRINK3R> I enjoy blood pie.
[15:46:18] <BL00DDRINK3R> blood cake, blood frosting
[15:46:43] <Bytram> BL00DDRINK3R: bye bye
[15:46:57] <BL00DDRINK3R> Bytram, ?
[15:47:01] <Bytram> well 1 hr timeout
[15:47:07] <BL00DDRINK3R> oh noes
[15:47:10] * BL00DDRINK3R shivers
[15:47:18] <Bytram> .quiet BL00DDRINK3R
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[15:47:54] <Bytram> This is the default channel people reach when entering IRC.
[15:48:15] <Bytram> Especially when needing to report site issues.
[15:48:25] <Bytram> .unquiet BL00DDRINK3R
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[15:48:30] <BL00DDRINK3R> whew
[15:48:35] <BL00DDRINK3R> understood my friend
[15:48:42] <Bytram> =)
[15:48:56] <BL00DDRINK3R> that was a long hour
[15:49:04] <BL00DDRINK3R> or it felt like an hour
[15:49:20] BL00DDRINK3R is now known as dietshasta
[15:49:29] * Bytram thinks you are a little late for Halloween
[15:49:40] <dietshasta> a little role play never hurt anyone ^^
[15:49:53] <dietshasta> i am now terry davis' favorite beverage
[15:50:12] <Bytram> Unless it's D&D, the it would be roll playing ;^)
[15:50:53] <dietshasta> have a great day my friend!
[15:51:00] <dietshasta> i know where to come now
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[15:55:28] <drussell_> CSS is intermittent again, comment counts on the main page are not updating either.!current_uid
[15:55:38] <drussell_> !current_uid
[15:55:46] <drussell_> !current-uid
[15:55:52] <drussell_> What is that command again? :)
[15:56:13] <drussell_> (And no, CSS is not borked again, that was obviously still just in my buffer at the bottom somehow
[15:58:17] <drussell_> !uid
[15:58:33] <drussell_> Bender offline?
[16:01:03] <drussell_> bacon++
[16:01:03] <Bender> karma - bacon: 340
[16:01:23] <drussell_> What gives, bender? Why you no tell me high uid?
[16:01:33] <drussell_> :) Stupid bot
[16:05:16] <Runaway1956> =submit https://asia.nikkei.com
[16:05:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Nikkei Asia" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:05:35] <Runaway1956> Bender got bent?
[16:06:05] <drussell_> I think he's just ignoring me....
[16:06:12] <drussell_> I must have pissed him off somehow or something... :)
[16:10:28] <Bytram> !uid
[16:10:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 14136, owned by shagster
[16:10:53] <Bytram> drussell_: ^^^
[16:11:36] <drussell_> Cool, thanks... I was just curious :)
[16:11:40] <drussell_> I hadn't checked for a while
[16:12:28] <Bytram> np! Unless I do it regularly, I often forget what bot does what and how to "phrase it", too!
[16:12:58] <drussell_> Well, I got it right but bender ignored me :) haha
[16:13:04] <drussell_> !uid
[16:13:14] <drussell_> see?
[16:13:27] <drussell_> Doesn't like me today...
[16:13:48] <drussell_> Or so I have to be logged in via nickserv or something? I can do karma
[16:14:09] <Bytram> !uid
[16:14:09] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 14136, owned by shagster
[16:14:22] <drussell_> I can't remember what my latest password is and the machine back home that has it on it is offline from the last power failure.
[16:14:26] <Bytram> hmmm, try copy/paste?
[16:14:38] <drussell_> !uid
[16:14:44] <drussell_> Nope, that was a copy of yours
[16:15:00] <drussell_> Bender just doesn't love me today.... Sniff... Sniffle...
[16:15:01] <Bytram> that is VERY strange!
[16:15:08] <Bytram> idea...
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[16:15:36] <me> !uid
[16:15:53] <me> Looks like Bender does not like "me" either!
[16:16:13] <drussell_> Indeed
[16:16:25] me is now known as you
[16:16:28] <you> !uid
[16:16:40] <drussell_> I'm pretty sure it used to work when I wasn't authed with nickserv
[16:16:50] <you> Doesn't like "you" either.
[16:17:04] <you> ;^)
[16:17:09] you is now known as us
[16:17:13] <us> !uid
[16:17:29] <drussell_> Bender is apparently being very anti-social today, I guess... :)
[16:17:30] <us> that proves it... Bender doesn't like us!
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[16:18:27] <Bytram> welp, I've gots a story I need to put some work into. Ping me if anything comes up.
[16:18:52] <drussell_> OK... Later...
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[16:33:18] <drussell> !uid
[16:33:19] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 14136, owned by shagster
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[16:44:58] <Bytram> =g smile emoji
[16:44:59] <systemd> https://emojipedia.org - Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes Emoji
[16:45:44] <Bytram> 😊
[16:47:41] <Bytram> 😁
[16:57:39] <FatPhil> =g stabbed in the eye emoji
[16:57:40] <systemd> https://tenor.com - Stab Eye GIFs | Tenor
[16:57:53] <FatPhil> far more useful
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[16:58:04] -!- mode/#soylent [+v requerdanos] by Aphrodite
[17:08:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In Violation of Einstein, Black Holes Might Have 'Hair' - https://sylnt.us - what-color-is-the-virtual-hair-of-black-holes
[17:08:39] <Bytram> =w hair musical
[17:08:39] <systemd> Hair: The American Tribal Love-Rock Musical is a rock musical with a book and lyrics by Gerome Ragni and James Rado and music by Galt MacDermot. The work - https://en.wikipedia.org(musical)
[17:18:09] <Ingar> because of COVID, black hole couldn't visit a barber
[17:24:08] <bacteria> coffee++
[17:24:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5496
[17:24:13] <bacteria> satan++
[17:24:13] <Bender> karma - satan: 11
[17:24:23] <Bytram> satin++
[17:24:23] <Bender> karma - satin: 1
[17:24:36] <Bytram> =yt nights in white satin
[17:24:36] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Nights in White Satin - The Moody Blues - in colour! (04:25; 11,202,794 views; 👍118,327 👎2,277)
[17:25:13] * bacteria chuckles
[17:25:21] * Ingar plays the 320kbit mp3
[17:25:27] bacteria is now known as bacterium
[17:25:45] <Ingar> this actually comes from my dad's collection, so it makes me sad :(
[17:26:17] <Ingar> I lied though, it's VBR
[17:26:30] <Bytram> Variable Bit Rate?
[17:26:36] <Ingar> yeah
[17:26:51] <Ingar> pretty high settings on the encoder though
[17:29:17] <Bytram> is that... good?
[17:29:33] <Ingar> "high quality"
[17:29:45] <drussell> There's nothing wrong with VBR as long as it allows enough total bandwidth, other than the fact that some modern decoders simply refuse to play anything VBR at all
[17:29:49] <Bytram> Seems like they cranked up the reverb
[17:30:16] <Ingar> drussell: the switching in bitrate can cause artifacts
[17:30:32] <drussell> In shitty decoders, sure
[17:30:55] <Ingar> lame3.98r MP3 VBR V0
[17:30:56] <drussell> It's tricky to do properly so most "modern" implementations dispense with even trying at all
[17:31:22] <Ingar> usually you don't hear those anyway
[17:31:28] <Ingar> but I have decent headphones
[17:31:39] <drussell> MP3 is all about "usually you don't hear xxx"
[17:31:46] <drussell> It all sounds like ass
[17:31:46] <Bytram> yep, the human ear is very sensitive
[17:31:58] <drussell> Give me raw PCM or bust!
[17:32:26] <Ingar> Bytram: I have a musically trained ear, and my hearing is rather good
[17:32:40] <drussell> It was "good enough" when storage space for a large collection was an issue, but now it is stupid to do
[17:32:46] <Bytram> disappointed. (1) Would have preferred to see the whole orchestra setup (2) Let out the whole closing "monologue"!!
[17:32:49] <drussell> "perceptual coding"
[17:33:12] <drussell> when you can easily store lossless
[17:33:12] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:33:32] <Ingar> drussell: my entire colelction in FLAC would still suck in terms of size though
[17:33:37] <requerdanos> If 320 sounds okay, then why not 256? if 256 why not 192? if 192 why not 128? etc all the way down to worse than a bad cell call
[17:33:59] * Ingar loans requerdanos the decent headphones
[17:34:06] <Bytram> ISTR there was a popular song at the time MP3(?) was being developed that caused no end of hassle... escapes me atm what it was. Female singer.
[17:34:13] <drussell> Even 320 never sounded "right" to me, even with my very first experiemnts with the fraunhoffer codec in the early 90s
[17:34:20] <requerdanos> heh yes, I know why not.
[17:34:33] <Ingar> drussell: did it even do those high bitrates?
[17:34:36] <requerdanos> 320 sounds very good to me, near perfect.
[17:35:02] <Ingar> (I still have some files I encoded under DOS with the original frauenhoffer)
[17:35:28] <drussell> Yeah, it was one of the first things I investigated back then.... Had to haul out my Dynaco Mark VI tube amplifiers just to audition it all... and the Sennheiser HD400 phoens
[17:35:30] <drussell> phones
[17:35:48] <Ingar> drussell: in the late 90's I was a poor student :(
[17:36:00] * Bytram had the good fortune to join the "sound group" in college which set up (and tore down) all the equipment for concerts held on campus -- mostly in the student union. Even got to mix half a concert night. FUN!
[17:36:10] <drussell> I found it was OK for distributed, portable use, even down at lower bit rates but that you could most certainly hear that it was not the same
[17:36:41] <Ingar> the encoder did get better over the years though
[17:36:58] <drussell> SOME encoders became better.
[17:36:59] <Ingar> with recently encoded 320kbps mp3 I don't hear much of a difference with the original
[17:37:10] <drussell> The most commonly used ones ate *SHIT*.... even today...
[17:37:13] <drussell> ESPECIALLY today...
[17:37:16] <bacterium> head tilt
[17:37:17] <drussell> are
[17:37:19] <bacterium> mt
[17:37:24] <FatPhil> After some blind ABX testing, through reasonably high-end audio chips (such as in top-of-the-range desktop macs), and pukka separates hifi, I came to the conclusion that 160 was sub-par, 192 was almost always good enough, and 224 was just enough overkill to be sure I was safe.
[17:37:30] <Bytram> after putting on a concert, I'd go back to my dorm and listen to songs on my radio which had a volume control and a tone control.
[17:37:31] <Ingar> drussell: which encoder would you recommend ?
[17:37:51] <drussell> No idea these days.... I only do raw now
[17:38:12] <drussell> Well, I store .mp3 format also for random portable use or emailing to someone or somehting
[17:38:28] <Ingar> I mostly listen to music while cycling, so mp3 is rather ocnvenient
[17:38:32] <FatPhil> That was in LAME MP3 days. Opus should be better. I normally just use 160~192 Opus.
[17:38:48] <Bytram> What *was* her name? (The artist whose songs kept messing up their encoders/decoders.) I can *almost* remember!
[17:38:50] <Ingar> isn't opus a completely different codec ?
[17:38:58] <Ingar> (I do use lame for mp3 ofc)
[17:39:02] <requerdanos> Her name's Suzanne Vega.
[17:39:14] <Ingar> requerdanos: she lives on the second floor
[17:39:16] <Bytram> IIRC, she may also have sang "Luca" (lives on the second floor)
[17:39:22] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!
[17:39:29] <requerdanos> That's her :)
[17:39:30] <Ingar> :D
[17:39:31] <Bytram> TYVM!
[17:39:58] <drussell> I hear obvious artifacts in pretty much any compressed format, it drives me nuts
[17:40:15] <Bytram> Does anyone else recall her singing causing them troubles? Or is that just a folk legend?
[17:40:33] <requerdanos> I remember reading about it, but that memory is not recent.
[17:40:45] <Ingar> isn't "Luka" about child abuse and all that ?
[17:40:51] <Bytram> yeah, long ago for me, too.
[17:41:02] <Bytram> gtg; back in a few minutes
[17:41:16] <Ingar> oh well
[17:41:20] <requerdanos> Luka is about child abuse, but the song I recall giving the encoders problems was the original acapella Tom's Diner.
[17:42:02] <Ingar> need to do a ram upgrade on my home server
[17:42:05] <Ingar> RAM++
[17:42:05] <Bender> karma - ram: 2
[17:42:13] <drussell> "A few years ago, I used to see this group of children playing in front of my building, and there was one of them, whose name was Luka, who seemed a little bit distinctive from the other children. I always remembered his name, and I always remembered his face, and I didn't know much about him, but he just seemed set apart from these other children that I would see playing. And his character is what I based the song Luka on. In the so
[17:42:44] <drussell> ink he was just different."
[17:42:57] <requerdanos> in the soink?
[17:43:15] <drussell> Bye, By....
[17:43:36] <Ingar> soylink?
[17:43:46] <drussell> Doo de doo doo doo de doo doop in the diner round the corner...
[17:49:08] <Bytram> =yt Down round the corner
[17:49:09] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Creedence Clearwater Revival: Down On The Corner (02:47; 27,376,092 views; 👍77,096 👎2,159)
[17:49:27] <Bytram> =w Suzanne vega
[17:49:27] <systemd> Suzanne Nadine Vega (born July 11, 1959) is an American singer-songwriter, musician and record producer, best known for her folk-inspired music. Vega's - https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:50:00] <Bytram> "The song was used as a test during the creation of the MP3 format.[3] The critical role of her song in the development of the MP3 compression prompted Vega to be given the title of "The Mother of the MP3".[4]"
[17:50:07] <chromas> People still use mp3?
[17:50:46] <drussell> "Karlheinz Brandenburg used a CD recording of Suzanne Vega's song "Tom's Diner" to assess and refine the MP3 compression algorithm. This song was chosen because of its nearly monophonic nature and wide spectral content, making it easier to hear imperfections in the compression format during playbacks. Some refer to Suzanne Vega as "The mother of MP3""
[17:51:05] <requerdanos> yes, for portable players and emailing, as discussed.
[17:51:41] <chromas> why not use mpeg4? all modern players support it
[17:52:06] <drussell> Why not use raw? Storage space is cheap now
[17:52:13] <requerdanos> not all players are modern. Not all collections have been converted, which would result in additional artifacts anyway
[17:52:52] <chromas> that's why you store flacs and convert to the latest codec with a cronjob once a year foro mobility/emailing purposes :D
[17:53:01] <drussell> Luckily I saved most of my collection in raw .pcm files pulled from Plextor CD-ROM drives, so even discs that have been stolen since, I still have bit-perfect copies of
[17:53:58] <chromas> I heard the legends of the great Plextor optical drives, but I guess they're just rebranded regular drives now
[17:54:31] <drussell> I don't know, I still use my old SCSI ones to pull in more discs when I need to, or do a whole collection for a friend...
[17:55:03] <drussell> My audio workstation has 6 CD-ROM drives on it... 4 internal, 2 in an external (formerly full height hard disk) SCSI case
[17:55:32] <requerdanos> I guessed the SCSI part when you said you were a Plextor purist :)
[17:56:04] <chromas> oh yeah, they're made by Lite-On now
[17:56:04] <Bytram> https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com
[17:56:05] <drussell> I have a couple of the IDE ones and I think one SATA one somewhere too, but the build quality of the physical drives got terrible in that era
[17:56:05] <systemd> ^ 03Tom's Essay
[17:56:30] <drussell> They could still DO nifty things, but they just weren't reliable...
[17:57:24] <drussell> I have another REALLY old Plextor 4x CD-ROM and my original Sony 926 burner in a different 19" rackmount external SCSI chassis from a Netframe 9000 quad PPRO
[17:57:52] <drussell> You have to put the discs into those little caddies on those drives
[17:58:14] <drussell> The Plextor has a little drop-down door you have to pull open, the Sony has a slot with an automatic door...
[17:58:50] <drussell> I have a bunch of SCSI TEAC 1x CD-ROM drives that could do good audio extraction also but I think a bunch of them went nuts one time and burned out the spindle motors...
[17:59:12] <drussell> I had like 6 or 8 of them in one of my server towers and I think they all died... :(
[17:59:36] <drussell> I might have a couple NOS ones somewhere though... I bought a couple cases of those 'back in the day'
[18:00:03] <drussell> I have lots of Panasonic 562s, also... (and 563s, I think that was just a firmware change)
[18:00:30] <drussell> They're kinda neat because they have proprietary commands that tell it to change the audio playback speed when you're using the drive itself to play back audio....
[18:00:54] <drussell> It made making prototype DJ variable-speed CD players really simple back in the day....
[18:01:22] <drussell> You just hooked up the audio output from the drive and sent it simple commands to play track x, change playback rate to x...
[18:01:58] <drussell> They were 2x drives so could play back at faster speeds, unlike the TEACs that were only 1x drives so couldn't spin up faster and pre-buffer even if they tried
[18:02:08] <drussell> Well, maybe they could...
[18:02:24] <drussell> I think the spindle motos died of getting stuck full-on, overspeed....
[18:02:46] <drussell> I don't think I ever hacked the firmware on those, I think they just frwaked out and died all by themselves...
[18:03:17] <drussell> I do remember pulling the power on one once because the spindle ran away, and I think I always just assumed that was the reason that the ones in that one tower died...
[18:03:50] <drussell> All got some sort of noise or something that made them freak out and turn the spindle motor just FULL ON until they fried...
[18:04:26] <drussell> I know I took at least one of them apart but never really saw what was cooked... Presumably the driver IC
[18:04:52] <drussell> Someday I'll pull one and see if I can figure it out.... Maybe someday when I'm old and grey haha
[18:05:19] <chromas> That was back when they had to program in the Planned Obsolescence™; now they just use thinner plastic gears
[18:05:44] <drussell> Those TEACs weight lie 4lb each... That server chassis is HEAVY just from the drives
[18:05:48] <drussell> kile
[18:05:52] <drussell> like
[18:06:04] <drussell> FFS, keyboard, work with me here..... (I hate this keyboard)
[18:12:10] <chromas> how many lbs is it?
[18:13:39] * Bytram returns from reading the NYT article about Suzanne Vega, fascinating!
[18:14:11] <drussell> The keyboard? Not enough... It's some piece of cheese made by Microsoft but it's the only USB one I have here at the lake with me.... I would take the BTC 5339 off the one server I brought with me but it has an AT connector (and an AT -> PS/2 adapter) and this laptop that is connected to the TV only has USB, no ps/2 port... too new ;)
[18:14:25] <drussell> The bottom of the BTC is made of metal
[18:14:54] <drussell> "Back when I was a kid, we had a thing called metal... Everything was made of it, lunchboxes, cars...."
[18:15:31] <Bytram> thanks for the trip down memory lane! And, now, I need to get back to finishing writing a wall-of-text (TM)
[18:15:46] <drussell> Good luck! :)
[18:15:51] <Bytram> tx!
[18:16:02] <Bytram> Ugh, one last thing I gotta go:
[18:16:29] <Bytram> =yt suzanne vega tom's diner
[18:16:29] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Suzanne Vega - Toms Diner (Official Music Video) (03:45; 8,506,264 views; 👍110,370 👎1,889)
[18:16:49] <drussell> Already played that a couple times :) haha
[18:16:59] <chromas> you can get ps/2-to-usb adapters. do it man
[18:17:23] <drussell> [09:43] <drussell> Doo de doo doo doo de doo doop in the diner round the corner...
[18:18:18] <drussell> Oh, I'm sure I have a couple adapters back in Calgary that would do the job, not to mention 100 other computers but I'm at the lake avoiding Covid lockdown with sane people
[18:18:38] * Bytram is not sure he'l recognize the song
[18:19:01] <Bytram> really gtg; laters!
[18:20:01] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[18:20:03] <systemd> ^ 03BTC 5339R-0 review (BTC foam and foil)
[18:20:53] <drussell> I thought all the R variants were rubber dome...
[18:21:38] <drussell> I can't remember now, we sold hundreds of them back in the day and I know I usually used the rubber dome version once they came out.... Geez, that's been a long time but yeah, that's the keyboard I have here on the server box
[18:22:00] <Ingar> chromas: Plextor indeed used to be awesome, afaik the brand was sold or something
[18:22:47] <Ingar> all up and running [tyrael][Linux 5.10.16-arch1-1][AMD Ryzen 7 1700 * 16 cores @ 2903/3000 MHz][NVIDIA GeForce GT 610][Memory used: 1545/64312 MiB][Swap used: 0/32767 MiB][Disk used: 5977/11514 GiB][Load 0.13][Uptime 3 min]
[18:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> because, Merica! https://twitter.com
[18:25:42] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[18:26:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and back to not being here
[18:29:37] <chromas> fuckin' twitter man
[18:29:43] <chromas> "Potentially sensitive content"
[18:29:56] * chromas clicks, gets clip of squinting Fry from Futurama
[18:41:48] <chromas> https://twitter.com
[18:41:49] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[18:41:54] <chromas> oh oops
[18:42:01] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[18:42:04] <systemd> ^ 03Honest Trailers | Lilo & Stitch
[18:42:19] <chromas> not sure why the address bar changed to that before copying
[18:42:59] <chromas> so Disney changed the drier Lilo was playing in into a wood cabinet with a pizza poster on the door
[18:44:06] <chromas> They love Lucasing their movies so much, Lucasfilm was a perfect match
[19:30:35] <Bytram> =g m-w ken
[19:30:36] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Ken | Definition of Ken by Merriam-Webster
[19:38:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Claim for Giant 'Planet Nine' at Solar System's Edge Takes a Hit - https://sylnt.us - Niburu-not-there,-again
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[21:15:48] <FatPhil> Oh, man, the cover of this book really grinds my gears: https://static.skepticalscience.com
[21:18:48] <inz> augh
[21:20:41] <FatPhil> Initially I thought it was just the usual mutually-interlocking-and-odd-in-number mistake, but no, they had to do something extra!
[21:32:59] <Runaway1956> Ugh - not much fun today - all weather related
[21:36:21] <Bytram> FatPhil: Yeah, all the gears have non-interlocking-capable teeth, they are all separate from each other so that means they couldn't engage if they wanted to, and, yeah, they are all going in the wrong directions.
[21:43:07] <Runaway1956> I think that's just a drawing of some random gear lying in the corner of the shop
[21:44:01] <Runaway1956> The directional arrows don't even make sense
[21:45:22] <Runaway1956> Did you buy the book FatPhil ?
[21:45:43] <chromas> clearly there are invisible gears connecting them together. did you even see the gaps?
[21:46:04] <chromas> that's the learning gap we've all heard about
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[21:46:27] <Runaway1956> Yeah chromas - except the gaps are smaller than the gear teeth
[21:47:30] <chromas> you just need invisible gears that have two sizes of teeth at the same time
[21:47:46] <chromas> one bigger set with some notches cut in at the other size ;)
[21:47:51] <Runaway1956> Grainger has those . . .
[21:49:17] <chromas> or maybe they did it on purpose. the mismatched gears and directions show you how what the book will teach you to debunk will be so obviously nonsensical once you've spent your money on the book
[21:49:50] <chromas> like the flat earth or jewsish slaves building the pyramids
[21:52:51] <Runaway1956> *sigh* I only thought I was sat down for awhile . . . here I go back out into the cold
[22:02:58] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: it's a freely available, so nope, no buying necessary.
[22:05:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spacex Loses Falcon 9 Rocket On Landing In First Of Two Starlink Missions - https://sylnt.us
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[23:38:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spacex Loses Falcon 9 Rocket on Landing in First of Two Starlink Missions - https://sylnt.us
[23:57:01] <c0lo> Poor SpaceX, it lost Falcon9 twice.