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[00:01:48] <halibut> c0lo: Specifically, let b == c == d (or a == b == c for a negative slope). That is a limiting case of what I thought FatPhil wanted, but it sounded like FatPhil also wanted to allow the case where the probability distribution was discontinuous at both boundaries.
[00:02:17] <halibut> In the b == c == d limit, the trapezoidal distribution is continuous at a.
[00:03:35] <halibut> If I understood the description, it is as though there is a larger distribution, and you cut a thin slice from it. You have zero on both sides of the slice, and then it jumps up to some nonzero value, is roughly constant, and then jumps back down to zero at the other side of the slice.
[00:04:16] <halibut> A uniform distribution would be the 0th-order approximation of such a slice. Allowing for a slope at the top would be the 1st-order approximation of such a slice.
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[01:01:37] <c0lo> "the case where the probability distribution was discontinuous at both boundaries." - that's just the sum of an uniform and a trapezoidal distribution, renormalized. Makes the things a bit more complicated (to separate the weights between two terms)
[01:03:14] <halibut> Summing distributions and renormalizing, in general, is difficult. Here, though, it's just a linear curve, and all the necessary integrations are actually quite easy.
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[03:00:06] <Runaway1956> Damn - I just learned that I've "volunteered" to be a term limits activist.
[03:00:17] <Runaway1956> Kinda like the military, LOL
[03:00:50] <chromas> Why do we need term limits?
[03:00:58] <chromas> Why not just vote out the 'bad' guys?
[03:01:16] <chromas> Activistate me, good sir
[03:01:34] <Runaway1956> Because 'Muricans are too damned stoooopid to vote for names they don't already recognize.
[03:01:50] <Runaway1956> Severely limited people, according to the Monkey Theory.
[03:02:08] <chromas> What if we legally required politicians to get new, randomly generated names every term?
[03:02:38] <Runaway1956> FWIW - I believe term limits are needed, but I don't plan to do much more than argue for it in forums such as SN
[03:02:43] <Runaway1956> and maybe donate a few dollars
[03:03:20] <Runaway1956> I'm too damned old to storm the capitol and threaten Nancy Palooka. ;)
[03:03:31] <Runaway1956> No-grab
[03:03:32] <chromas> I propose a limit on the term "runaway". It's high time we came up with a new one.
[03:03:55] <Runaway1956> Good luck with that - it's a dirty job that nobody else wants.
[03:04:49] * Runaway1956 wonders how well you would do trying to replace aristarchus
[03:05:36] * chromas petitions the internet to change "runaway train" to "self-exited wheeliechain"
[03:06:15] * Bytram suspects no more successful than anyone else who tried over the past couple millennia
[03:07:03] * Runaway1956 petitions the internet to swap Bytram with chromas
[03:07:31] <chromas> He's not a term though, so the limit does not exist
[03:08:00] <Runaway1956> You don't know Bytram all that well - he's actually the Terminator
[03:08:27] * Bytram might be a factor, though? Besides "b" comes before "c", so I don't think we'll get swapped, anyway.
[03:08:27] <Runaway1956> Lean, mean, and indestructible.
[03:08:32] <chromas> But is he a null-terminator? I didn't realize he was a c-man
[03:09:43] * Bytram appreciates the enthusiasm, but I've been a day away from death a couple-three times now, so I have no doubts about my own mortality.
[03:10:57] <Runaway1956> Mehhh - like an old lion, you gotta keep roaring, or the scavengers will creep up on you.
[03:16:07] <Runaway1956> Grabbed a bittorrent with *all* of the Dr. Who seasons. Was downloading nicely for a couple hours, now it's down to ~50 kps
[03:16:37] <Runaway1956> gonna take three months at that rate . . .
[03:16:47] <chromas> It'll go faster if you exclude the last couple Drs
[03:17:14] <chromas> Did old British TV have interlacing?
[03:17:47] <Runaway1956> Dunno, I know about as much about British TV as most 'Muricans.
[03:19:43] <chromas> Ah, so Dr Who, the IT Crowd and Red Faction
[03:19:47] <chromas> or Red Dwarf
[03:47:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - As More Bacteria Grow Resistant to Antibiotics, Scientists are Fighting Back - https://sylnt.us
[04:12:29] <Bytram> #weather los angeles
[04:12:30] <MrPlow> Los Angeles City Hall, 200 North Spring St, Los Angeles, CA 90012, USA - Today: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 55/43F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 98%, Wind ~2mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 63/45F, Humidity: 67%, Precip: 10%, Wind ~3mph. Sun: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 70/54F, Humidity: 47%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~3mph.
[04:18:55] <c0lo> halibut, re "Summing distributions and renormalizing, in general, is difficult." Not particularly when the two distributions are linear + uniform. But...
[04:20:08] <c0lo> ... "Here, though, it's just a linear curve, and all the necessary integrations are actually quite easy." true. Just don't do it just for an origin-symmetric distribution.
[04:21:05] <halibut> You mean where p(-x) = -p(x)? But that makes the odd moments so much easier to compute!
[04:21:27] <halibut> Sorry. Meant even instead of odd.
[04:21:40] <halibut> Normalizing is a little difficult, though.
[04:36:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dissecting the Anatomy of Planetary Nebulae Using the Hubble Space Telescope - https://sylnt.us - the-real-dying-star
[08:25:46] <chromas> is this true? https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[08:43:22] <FatPhil> Nope
[08:44:45] <FatPhil> Switzerland does, though
[08:45:23] <FatPhil> A bunch of the ex-soviet -stans do too, if you want an Asian example, but I forget which ones.
[08:46:45] <FatPhil> I'm sure if Turkmenistan has one, the submarines are plated in Gold, knowing their president.
[08:46:59] <c0lo> =w Navies of landlocked countries
[08:47:00] <systemd> ground forces to cross or travel along a lake or river. Landlocked countries that have navies today include: Azerbaijan – Although Azerbaijan borders - https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:53:05] <FatPhil> Caspian Sea, and Black Sea, are reasonable excuses. I'm not sure Lake Geneva is, though.
[08:56:07] <c0lo> See also https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:56:08] <systemd> ^ 03Declaration recognising the Right to a Flag of States having no Sea-coast - Wikipedia
[08:56:47] <c0lo> "a land-locked state could register ships and sail them on the sea under its own flag"
[08:57:26] <c0lo> "Today, land-locked states which have merchant vessel fleets include Austria, Azerbaijan, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Hungary, Laos, Luxembourg, Mongolia, Moldova, Paraguay, Slovakia and Switzerland, though of these, only Ethiopia, Laos, and Mongolia have no river/sea port from which the high sea can be reached. "
[08:57:55] <FatPhil> Luxembourg's a great example - it's just one mountain, nothing more!
[08:57:58] <c0lo> So, nothing wrong with a ship sailing under Mongolian flag.
[08:58:29] <FatPhil> Nor should there be.
[08:58:38] <FatPhil> What does the flag mean?
[08:59:12] <c0lo> Beat me if I know what sailing under one flag means.
[08:59:14] <FatPhil> If a flag on a boat means a country has a sea port, then there's something terribly wrong with your use of semiotics.
[09:03:46] <c0lo> I tried to make sense of https://thediplomat.com
[09:03:47] <systemd> ^ 03Mongolia’s Dubious Merchant Navy
[09:04:23] <c0lo> Looks like it's related with some registry that links a ship to its owner (at least)
[09:05:21] <c0lo> But I give up, I'm not curious enough to spend my weekend time understanding this.
[09:13:00] <FatPhil> it's like saying a group of athletes can't form a bobsled team because their country doesn't get snow.
[09:13:09] <FatPhil> =g cool runnings
[09:13:10] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Cool Runnings - Wikipedia
[09:14:01] <c0lo> https://slate.com
[09:14:03] <systemd> ^ 03How Many House Republicans Believe the Jews Attacked California With a Space Laser?
[09:15:13] <FatPhil> It was a coordinated attack! In 27AD they attacked both California and Bethlehem, the bastards.
[09:26:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Catalyst Moves Seawater Desalination, Hydrogen Production Closer to Commercialization - https://sylnt.us - seawater-splitting-at-low-voltage
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[11:41:59] <FatPhil> Blimey, that Greene sounds like a complete dumpster fire of a human: https://www.mediamatters.org
[11:42:01] <systemd> ^ 03A guide to likely member of Congress Marjorie Taylor Greene’s conspiracy theories and toxic rhetoric
[11:46:55] <c0lo> I... I sorta... I know it's totaly unhealthy, but I sorta feel a withdrawal-of-public-lunacy symptom since Trump is no more; it's sorta refreshing to see that an amount of crazyness is still on the public scene of politics.
[11:47:13] * c0lo slaps himself into reason
[12:10:49] <c0lo> https://www.politico.com
[12:10:49] <systemd> ^ 03GOP under pressure to take action against Marjorie Taylor Greene
[12:14:36] <c0lo> https://edition.cnn.com
[12:14:39] <systemd> ^ 03GOP House candidate in Georgia bucks CDC's recommendation and says 'children should not wear masks'
[12:15:46] <c0lo> "children should not wear masks,"... "forcing boys to wear masks is emasculating."
[12:17:02] <c0lo> Good God, what do you want woman, to have sex with little boys?
[12:23:17] <c0lo> =submit https://www.washingtonpost.com
[12:23:27] <systemd> Submitting "Time to double or upgrade masks as coronavirus variants emerge, experts say"...
[12:23:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Time to Double or Upgrade Masks as Coronavirus Variants Emerge, Experts Say" (36p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[13:05:06] <FatPhil> c0lo: yeah, she may be completely loonytunes, but apparently >90000 Georgians want her specifically in office.
[13:31:37] <c0lo> Yeah, well, that's the ugly side of democracy, what can one do? (there's a lot that can be done, a good amount of this world have democracies that are a lot more functional. Takes time, tho, and it doesn't come cheap)
[13:44:15] <requerdanos> I submit that there are people who are not looneytunes (not certifiably nutso) but who simply have poor, careless information hygeine--with the end result being the same as being an extra-crunchy nutjob as far as stated beliefs go
[13:44:39] <AzumaHazuki> hanlon's razor lost its edge a long time ago
[13:44:46] <AzumaHazuki> the end effect is the same
[13:57:06] <c0lo> Specific difference, AzumaHazuki, a proper looney is incorrigible, the redneck can be brought to date (IF you take time and are willing to support the cost of doing so). Since that's a very big 'if', the distinction is purely academic.
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[14:04:41] <c0lo> =smake chromas
[14:06:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In a World First, Physicists Narrow Down the Possible Mass of Dark Matter - https://sylnt.us - as-some-theorise
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[14:25:36] <c0lo> =smake bots
[14:26:44] <Teckla> Hey all, need a little tech help. I got my daughter some headphones with build in mic for her bday. The cord had two plugs (one for audio, one for mic). I need an adapter that lets her plug these into a standard laptop combo audio/mic port. What's the name of the adapter?
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[14:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake c0lo
[14:40:13] * MrPlow smakes c0lo upside the head with a thousand jihads
[14:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> =taco c0lo
[14:40:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[14:40:26] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a duck of geese
[14:42:14] <chromas> Teckla: try trrs (tip ring ring sleeve)
[14:46:47] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: can't help it. the box did the classic computer move of locking up for a bit then acting all innocent like nothing ever happened
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[14:48:21] <chromas> The sort of thing you'd think the one and only point of a preemptive multitasking operating system would be to prevent but doesn't
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[15:05:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, it wasn't locked up, it was on strike. all the resistors on the motherboard unionized on you and won't start doing their jobs properly again unless they get more paid time off.
[15:07:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, ring n tip. that reminds me, i need to get ahold of the phone company and tell them to come remove their service from the church. the cable and box are currently lying on the ground and will never be used while we live there.
[15:12:05] <chromas> Keep them as decorations
[15:12:41] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: what's your opinion on running SedBot from a soybox?
[15:12:44] <chromas> SedBot:
[15:12:44] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[15:12:50] <chromas> hm so that one didn't time out
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[15:18:51] <Teckla> chromas: Thank you! That was it.
[15:19:05] <Teckla> chromas++
[15:19:05] <Bender> karma - chromas: 327
[15:20:11] <chromas> you're welcome :)
[15:20:23] <chromas> 3.5mm is the usual diameter, btw
[15:31:57] <FatPhil> Teckla: this kinda thing? https://www.amazon.co.uk
[15:31:57] <systemd> ^ 03Amazon.co.uk
[15:32:42] <FatPhil> Beware - when apple had jacks, they had their connections in a different order
[15:34:05] <FatPhil> I briefly worked on the jack connecter driver for the kernel, and apple headphones would confuse everything. (but anyone who plugs apple headphones into a nokia phone is confused already, so no harm is done)
[15:35:35] <FatPhil> sometimes just called a "combo" 3.5mm jack
[15:35:48] <Teckla> FatPhil: Yep, just like that.
[18:00:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, fine by me. beryllium. if you want it to stay yours, run it as you from your home directory. if you want it to be a system bot, run it as sylnt from ~sylnt. either way, set up a cron job to auto restart it.
[18:01:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap time now
[18:57:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Exoplanetary System Found with 6 Worlds in Orbital Resonance - https://sylnt.us - good-vibrations
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[20:58:09] <Teckla> naps++
[20:58:09] <Bender> karma - naps: 121
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[21:32:53] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[21:32:55] <systemd> Submitting "In the search for Covid protection, Cormac the 'extremely charismatic' llama may hold a key"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[21:33:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03In the Search for Covid Protection, Cormac the 'Extremely Charismatic' Llama May Hold a Key" (46p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:35:45] <c0lo> =submit https://www.gizmodo.com.au
[21:35:47] <systemd> Submitting "Physicists Are Reinventing the Laser"...
[21:35:54] <chromas> But where does WinAMP come in?
[21:36:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Physicists are Reinventing the Laser" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:36:15] <c0lo> =doi 10.1038/s41567-020-01049-3
[21:36:17] <systemd> Journal Reference: Travis J. Baker, Seyed N. Saadatmand, Dominic W. Berry, et al. The Heisenberg limit for laser coherence, <cite>Nature Physics</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41567-020-01049-3">10.1038/s41567-020-01049-3</a>)
[21:36:45] <c0lo> ^^^ https://arxiv.org
[21:38:30] <c0lo> =submit https://blogs.nasa.gov
[21:38:31] <systemd> Submitting "Green Run Update: NASA Proceeds With Plans for Second Hot Fire Test – Artemis"...
[21:38:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Green Run Update: NASA Proceeds With Plans for Second Hot Fire Test – Artemis" (7p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:42:31] <c0lo> =submit https://phys.org
[21:42:34] <systemd> Submitting "Dewdrops on a spiderweb reveal the physics behind cell structures"...
[21:42:51] <c0lo> =doi 10.1038/s41567-020-01141-8
[21:42:53] <systemd> Journal Reference: Sagar U. Setru, Bernardo Gouveia, Raymundo Alfaro-Aco, et al. A hydrodynamic instability drives protein droplet formation on microtubules to nucleate branches, <cite>Nature Physics</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41567-020-01141-8">10.1038/s41567-020-01141-8</a>)
[21:42:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Dewdrops on a Spiderweb Reveal the Physics Behind Cell Structures" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cats have a bad rap for being unsocial. they're even more social than people. i mean, how many people do you feel close enough to to stick your butthole in their face?
[23:36:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - There's a Curious Effect Urban Trees Might Have on Depression, Study Finds - https://sylnt.us - boosting-mental-health
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