#soylent | Logs for 2020-11-03

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[23:57:05] <requerdanos> North Carolina is an "important swing state" too. Hope no ballots are involved.
[23:56:42] <requerdanos> There's a source of happiness: Today being election day, no more of that after about 10pm eastern, 7pm pacific, 3am GMT.
[23:55:52] <FatPhil> there are 20000 ballots stashed under that desk!
[23:53:15] <requerdanos> The post office finds the house, UPS finds the house, the pizza guy finds the house, why not fedex?
[23:52:54] <requerdanos> Today has been quite the day of learning, house-wise. Today I also learned that FedEx can't find my house, having left an office desk in parts unknown (certainly not here) and marking it "delivered"
[23:51:01] <requerdanos> They have to have the breakers labeled to pass inspection, but apparently random labels are okay for that purpose.
[23:49:45] <AzumaHazuki> one of them took a leak behind the stairway in 1985
[23:49:26] <requerdanos> I don't know what the electricians were smoking, but I do know that "Living Room" controls the overhead lights on the stairway and in the master bedroom closets.
[23:48:47] <requerdanos> So I found out this morning that the circuit breaker controlling the outlets in the Living Room (this computer, for example) is labeled "Bath 3"
[23:48:43] <AzumaHazuki> o/
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[23:28:38] <AzumaHazuki> i don't even like this style of music but this is good stuff
[23:28:29] <systemd> ^ 03Hydrocity Zone - Funk Big Band Version ft. Grace Kelly (The 8-Bit Big Band)
[23:28:26] <AzumaHazuki> neat! https://www.youtube.com
[23:21:38] <Runaway1956_> cool, if true, but I think it's probably BS
[23:21:00] <Runaway1956_> https://primepatriot.com
[23:20:55] <Runaway1956_> I hope everyone has a grain of salt to go with this URL
[22:51:57] <AzumaHazuki> there have been an awful lot of callouts at work. i've been blazing through training at an accelerated pace but yesterday and today didn't get to train as planned because i had to cover someone
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[22:16:30] <Runaway1956_> only options I've seen is using 3d and 2d, to enable DirectX, and the amount of memory
[22:15:45] <Runaway1956_> I don't know if you can do what you want chromas - I've not seen an option to give control of a video card to a virtual machine
[21:34:30] <FatPhil> n.w. /That's My Bush/ Ep.02
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[19:51:07] <chromas> Suite! Pulled the nvidia drivers off the old box and it seems to work
[19:43:26] <boru> Huh, I didn't realise the Pillars of Eternity games had a Linux native client. Neat.
[19:41:45] <boru> Proton, that was it. Thanks.
[19:41:39] <chromas> proton
[19:40:56] <boru> What is the thing I am talking about? Phonon? Phenom? Something like that.
[19:40:41] <chromas> oh yeah, the steam thing is a wine derivative I think
[19:40:08] <boru> The steam on unix thing.
[19:40:06] <chromas> I tried Steam remote gaming on the lan recently. It was alright. Looked like watching a youtube video
[19:40:01] <boru> People tell me that this phonon thing, or whatever it's called, is pretty good for gaming.
[19:39:31] <boru> I mean, ISTR reading them perenially, but someone seems to be considering it seriously recently. I don't recall who.
[19:39:08] <chromas> although this new pc might be fast enough to pretend like games on wine is as good as running them on windows
[19:39:04] <boru> ISTR reading an article recently about remote gaming.
[19:38:39] <chromas> Windows for the occasional game, so it would need a real video card
[19:38:09] <chromas> or using two cards
[19:37:49] <chromas> So I can switch between windows and linux without rebooting
[19:37:46] <boru> PCI doesn't support hotswapping!
[19:37:30] <boru> Why on Earth would you want to do that?
[19:37:16] * boru chuckles.
[19:37:04] <chromas> What I really want to do is run my desktop within a VM, then pass the video card through, but be able to hotswap the card between VMs, perhaps using the bumblebee driver thingymagjier
[19:36:49] <boru> But conceptually, it should be possible.
[19:36:33] <boru> I haven't tried it, since I have very little need for Linux these days that FreeBSD's LBC doesn't provide.
[19:36:25] <chromas> that's feckin' awesome
[19:36:14] <boru> I don't see why not.
[19:36:03] <chromas> Can I run systemd within a jail?
[19:36:01] <boru> You could run systemd on FreeBSD now!
[19:35:49] <boru> FreeBSD 12.2 now allows Linux jails, so the mascochism possibilities are endless now.
[19:35:39] <chromas> you really don't get enough increments around here
[19:35:31] <Bender> karma - boru: 44
[19:35:31] <chromas> boru++
[19:35:04] <chromas> probably built into systemd
[19:34:51] <chromas> also I don't have nouveau driver installed but X is using it anyhow
[19:34:26] <chromas> the package is putting the modules into 5.9.3 but the kernel's 5.9.2
[19:34:17] <boru> Perhaps systemd-nvidiad-dbus-protocol is mismatched?
[19:33:36] <boru> It runs as a service now. So long as the service protocol doesn't change, Lennux should be able to run them version-agnostic from one another.
[19:32:43] <chromas> nice
[19:32:39] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 69
[19:32:39] <chromas> archlinux--
[19:32:25] <chromas> I've never seen the nvidia driver be ahead of the linux kernel before
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[19:23:07] <boru> Feckin around, as we'd say.
[19:22:58] <Cascade> or cunting around I guess
[19:22:54] <Cascade> I'm just dicking around
[19:22:46] <boru> Oh, I see what you did there.
[19:22:14] <Cascade> Fake town with a name similar to Cantab
[19:21:35] <boru> What's that?
[19:20:56] * Cascade prefers Bottlecork
[19:18:36] <boru> Not a bad town.
[19:18:30] <boru> Reasonable.
[19:18:22] <FatPhil> go back every couple of years, usually for beer.
[19:18:08] <FatPhil> last place we lived in the UK was Cantab.
[19:17:58] <boru> Not half bad, but some utter shite there as well.
[19:17:45] <boru> The closest I got to that was the ale scene living in Cambridge.
[19:17:22] <FatPhil> craft beer has become so terrible, even I'm getting into wine now
[19:17:16] <boru> As Oscar Wilde said, forget about the necessities, just give me the luxuries.
[19:16:59] <boru> Actually, tobacco as well.
[19:16:50] <boru> To be serious, I'd say I'm only really snobby when it comes to whiskey, and recently starting to discover wines.
[19:16:18] <boru> Heh.
[19:16:08] <boru> But we grew up out of the rivers and off the land.
[19:15:58] <Cascade> As a snob snob, you guys aren't nearly as snobby as you think you are.
[19:15:44] <boru> I grew up on fish from the Atlantic. Fish farms don't cut it for me, personally.
[19:14:58] <FatPhil> I don't know one end from the other!
[19:14:28] <boru> It's alright, but I am a fish snob.
[19:14:21] <FatPhil> the starter was influenced by a finnish fish preparation
[19:13:56] <FatPhil> one of finland's stengths is its fish
[19:13:41] <boru> Aye.
[19:13:34] <FatPhil> proper hearty stews also exist.
[19:13:30] <boru> Not as good as venison stew I'd make, but similarly comforting.
[19:13:08] <boru> The stuff I ate up North there was more chunky.
[19:12:46] <boru> Hmm.
[19:12:34] <FatPhil> thin slices. normally comes with lingonberry jam
[19:12:32] <boru> Aha. Sounds great to me. As an Irishman, serving potatoes with a dish is always a winner.,
[19:12:03] <FatPhil> reindeer stew with mash
[19:12:01] <boru> My Finnish is practically non-existent, especially since most words have about 20 different meanings.
[19:11:41] <boru> Which one is that?
[19:11:34] <boru> But I can recommend some decent restaurants around München.
[19:11:25] <FatPhil> Poronkaristys is great Finnish food, a favourite.
[19:10:46] <boru> Not a whole lot of lager down here in BY, but you'll get a bit in BW.
[19:10:13] <FatPhil> I do need a trip to Germany, and I'm liking lager more than ever, so I like the idea of a visit.
[19:10:01] <boru> Reindeer stew is good stuff.
[19:09:51] <boru> I like some of the Northern Finnish food.
[19:09:36] <boru> Ah.
[19:09:24] <FatPhil> the restaurant's tied to a hotel popular with dosh-laden Finns, so the standard prices are high by my standards.
[19:09:08] <janrinok> So at least the chef will get a good deal out of it!
[19:08:59] <boru> I'd be interesting to hear what you have to say about some of my local haunts down here in that respect.
[19:08:21] <FatPhil> front of huse was crap, but the head chef was great. Gonna bring him a beer tomorrow as it would pair brilliantly with the main.
[19:07:24] <FatPhil> yeah, but I'm a really tight bastard who will find flaws with everything.
[19:05:03] <boru> That's a bit shite.
[18:52:19] <FatPhil> well, starter was worth 5e, main 13e, and dessert 3e. so that was 21e worth of nosh for 30e. But I'm a tight bastard who knows where to get VFM elsewhere in town.
[18:48:19] <systemd> ^ 03Quad
[18:48:18] <chromas> https://nautiluslive.org
[18:46:00] <systemd> ^ 03Nautilus Live | Channel 1 Stream
[18:45:58] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[18:36:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pixel 5 Teardown Shows How a Metal Phone Supports Wireless Charging - https://sylnt.us - a-window-with-a-view
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[17:43:56] <boru> It's a Kentucky song, obviously, but I am trying to discern where it was written.
[17:43:22] <boru> TMB; was the song A Man of Constant Sorrow originally written in Tennessee or Kentucky, or is it known?
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[16:39:58] <boru> Fish and lamb sounds good to me.
[16:39:45] <FatPhil> I forget which of their dishes are in the offer we got. something fishy, lamb, and I don;t care for desserts.
[16:39:23] <boru> What is that? A zen garden?
[16:39:19] <boru> Hmm, from the bits I understand, doesn't sound half bad. I just hope they don't serve it to you in such preposterous fashion as depicted in that image.
[16:38:18] <FatPhil> we have a restaurant festival each november, and places do 3-course meals for 30e.
[16:37:45] <systemd> ^ 03SÖE restoran
[16:37:43] <FatPhil> some of this shit: http://www.soerestoran.ee
[16:34:37] <boru> What sort of food are you going out for?
[16:27:26] <boru> Don't be so prone to hyperbole!
[16:26:19] <FatPhil> may as well treat ourselves to one last nice thing before the world implodes.
[16:26:01] <FatPhil> ooh ooh oooh, have a meal out in a fancy restaurant tonight.
[16:25:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The US is One of the World's Biggest Sources of Plastic Pollution - https://sylnt.us - outsource-everything
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[15:59:18] <c0lo> =submit STEM!!! https://www.reuters.com
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[15:53:48] * boru chuckles.
[15:48:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm with you fellas
[15:48:50] <boru> You're just saying that.
[15:48:42] <c0lo> Neither was I.
[15:48:28] <boru> I wasn't being serious.
[15:48:18] <SedBot> <c0lo> It's safe, TMB posted it.
[15:48:18] <c0lo> s/tNB/TMB/
[15:48:04] <c0lo> It's safe, tNB posted it.
[15:47:36] <boru> I'm not loading that obscure and dodgy URL!
[15:47:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[15:46:45] <boru> The photographs seem a bit photo-oppy, but regardless.
[15:45:57] <boru> Good for him.
[15:45:54] <boru> Well, that chap has stones to do what he did, reading the article.
[15:45:36] <FatPhil> <-- trollin'
[15:45:26] <FatPhil> Someone failed to pay sufficient reverence to the King. Heads rolled.
[15:44:43] <boru> What's going on in Thailand at the moment?
[15:43:36] <systemd> ^ 03'Danger was coming': lone protester who defied Thai police ( https://widerimage.reuters.com )
[15:43:34] <c0lo> https://widerimage.reuters.com
[15:43:15] <c0lo> https://photos.wi.gcs.trstatic.net
[15:43:00] <FatPhil> That's lucky, as I've got some perpendicular lines that need arranging.
[15:42:42] <boru> He's an expert!
[15:42:33] <FatPhil> How can a Jack Russel throw darts at the FT pages to pick stocks? It makes no sense!!!
[15:42:30] <boru> Sounds like you need an expert, FatPhil.
[15:42:05] <boru> "He's an expert in postman detection"
[15:42:02] <FatPhil> I don't understand.
[15:41:41] <boru> "My neighbour's jack russell thinks things will have returned to normal by the end of the fiscal year."
[15:41:01] <FatPhil> "Prefix 'pretend' to all such headlines"
[15:40:26] <boru> Is there a Betteridge's law for headlines which include "experts say"?
[15:40:20] <FatPhil> just trollin'
[15:40:01] <boru> According to that article, I mean.
[15:39:48] <boru> Indian as in India, silly.
[15:39:39] <FatPhil> Wasn't Warren the Indian one? It's all sooooo confusing.
[15:38:48] <systemd> ^ 03Election Day 'Trump Train' caravans may be a security concern, experts say
[15:38:47] <c0lo> https://www.reuters.com
[15:37:29] <Runaway1956> LOLOL
[15:37:24] <systemd> ^ 03Indians in Kamala Harris' Ancestral Village Preform Special Prayers for Her Victory in US Election
[15:37:22] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[15:37:19] <Runaway1956> proof of foreign interference in our elections!
[15:32:02] <systemd> ^ 03Ant Group's $37 billion listing suspended as China slams on brakes
[15:32:01] <c0lo> FatPhil fintech crash... actually, just a brake: https://www.reuters.com
[15:31:43] <Runaway1956> How much booze CAN you fit into a bra?
[15:31:27] <systemd> ^ 03Cocktail queen sneaks drinks out of bars in her top
[15:31:27] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[15:31:24] <Runaway1956> This is science we can get into
[15:29:35] <boru> Well, whatever happens, I hope you lads stay safe if/when SHTF in the cities.
[15:27:43] * boru chuckles.
[15:27:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, might as well vote. i figure we'll have more votes cast than citizens this year anyway.
[15:27:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, apparently she liked it. good to know they got complimenting weirdness.
[15:26:49] <boru> Good old Kanye. He'd have my vote.
[15:26:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, missed that.
[15:25:55] <FatPhil> the 'hologram'
[15:25:32] <aristarchus> ...
[15:24:41] <FatPhil> creepy, and slightly insane
[15:24:28] <FatPhil> did you see his bday present for his wife?
[15:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, it does my heart good to see kanye on the ballot in TN
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[14:46:41] <FatPhil> cheers mate!
[14:41:04] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 81
[14:41:04] <c0lo> FatPhil++ that's so much closer.
[14:40:25] <c0lo> janrinok "California residents have been suffering under Newsom’s iron fist and draconian lockdowns since March." very sciency, tech... and all that. No, sir, even if I was able to mod that submission, we wouldn't want to put ur (iron) fist in submitter's mouth and lose the deep STEM truth in it.
[14:38:55] <FatPhil> Ah, I thought STEM was political - Stalin/Trotsky/Engels/Marx
[14:21:59] <janrinok> just the traditional Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics - didn't realise that there were others...
[14:21:03] <systemd> ^ 03Sign of the horns - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[14:21:02] <c0lo> FatPhil you got it wrong, they're UT at Austin alumni https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:15:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Objects to New Satellite Megaconstellation, Citing Risk of “Catastrophic Collison” - https://sylnt.us - size-matters
[14:14:17] <c0lo> Yeah, but what the California tyrant has to do with East Mexico?
[14:12:17] <FatPhil> STEM = South Texas / Eastern Mexico
[14:11:18] <c0lo> Called on him to 'splain again, haven't I?
[14:07:30] <RandomFactor> So you'll probably just need him to clarify which STEM he was referring to.
[14:06:11] <RandomFactor> Although they generally DO fall under the alternate STEM definition I provided...
[14:04:39] <SedBot> <c0lo> I'm confused sometimes, I need janrinok to grandfather'splain it to me.
[14:04:39] <c0lo> s/sometime/sometimes/
[14:04:14] <c0lo> I'm confused sometime, I need janrinok to grandfather'splain it to me.
[14:03:49] <RandomFactor> Crazifornia activities could arguably be considered to fall outside the STEM area, yes :-p
[14:03:14] <c0lo> Ah, I tought it falls in line with "Newsom is a tyrant who has completely bypassed the state legislature and unilaterally locked down California with 57 executive orders!"
[14:02:43] <RandomFactor> STEM falls in line with Techy/Geek (or vice versa)
[14:02:10] <c0lo> With what that?
[14:01:33] <RandomFactor> So it's a reference to the site being a 'STEM' oriented site. Hadn't heard it put that way (more Techy/Geek) but STEM falls in line with that so it is fine.
[14:00:39] <c0lo> Of course discussing non US politics is frown upon. This is why the black background in IRC. You've been warned.
[13:59:18] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Catching up with Things at SoylentNews -- Site Summary
[13:59:17] <c0lo> RandomFactor STEM!!! https://soylentnews.org
[13:58:10] <RandomFactor> Wait, you're NOT talking current US politics? Is that allowed?
[13:57:29] <RandomFactor> ok, i give up. Closes i could come was the lgbt meaning of STEM "A person whose gender expression falls somewhere between a stud and a femme."
[13:57:24] * c0lo doesn't think 2020 is a relevant year in a Ghadaffi context
[13:53:35] * RandomFactor tries to reconcile 2020 with 'zone of short-term stability'
[13:51:12] <c0lo> +janrinok STEM!!! https://soylentnews.org
[13:30:20] <FatPhil> n.p. And Justice For Halal
[13:28:18] <FatPhil> Even Erdogan: https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com
[13:26:50] <FatPhil> I never knew Turkish Muslims were such heavy metal fans: https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com
[12:27:47] <lld> also, only because the neighboring countries are net exporters of rice
[12:27:29] <lld> its the same here
[12:27:25] <lld> oh I see your bakeries are turning into restaurants
[12:27:15] <FatPhil> lld - that's geographical though. Rice used to be very expensive and fancy here, for example.
[12:26:53] <FatPhil> There's a strong correlation between our favourite restaurants in town and them baking their own bread on the premises.
[12:26:46] <lld> bread is bourgeois comrade :)
[12:26:34] <lld> where I live, bread is very expensive
[12:26:08] <boru> I try not to eat too much of it, either, but boy are the bakeries very good here.
[12:25:48] <boru> Ah. Fair enough.
[12:18:01] <FatPhil> We're not big bread eaters, though, so all we do is walk past usually.
[12:17:05] <boru> Convenient.
[12:15:32] <FatPhil> We have a bakery just 50m from our front door, and turning right towards that street can sometimes be a joy.
[12:14:51] <boru> On an entirely unrelated note, one of life's simple pleasures is arring to the bakery just as they are taking the bread out of the oven.
[12:13:31] <boru> But yes, indeed. There's an awful lot of solutions looking for problems out there...
[12:12:15] <boru> It's a fun space if you're lacking diversity options for your investments. Put a few percent into that and see what happens. I sorely missed the bitcoin boom by listening to someone else's opinion when they were $100. I sure wish I hadn't listened then.
[12:12:02] <FatPhil> just occasionally some of the technology does have a use (auctions/votes), but it's hilarious how they're selling tulips as both a foodstuff and a building material.
[12:10:27] <boru> I think the goal, however, is for others to believe their bullshit frequently.
[12:10:14] <boru> Indeed.
[12:10:09] <FatPhil> One wonders "do they believe their bullshit?" frequently.
[12:09:38] <FatPhil> One of the "joys" of reading ZH is the occasional crypto-pumper story.
[12:08:48] <boru> Or rather, gold egg laying goose of indeterminate metallic composition.
[12:08:31] <boru> Is Blockchain™ dead already? I thought that was Fintech's golden goose.
[12:07:43] <boru> Heh, nice dept. choice.
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[11:13:58] <FatPhil> Ahhh, Fintech is the new Dotcom... https://www.zerohedge.com
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[10:48:46] <boru> Well okay, be sensitive. There's nothing I can do about that short of admitting when I infer something other than what I intended.
[10:45:39] <boru> Considering the very obvious foreign involvement in the second civil war, I intended "foreign controlled" to be implicit.
[10:45:34] <FatPhil> I'm just very sensitive to your use of the term "central bank" in any context, given what you've said this morning.
[10:44:46] <boru> Thank goodness.
[10:44:40] <FatPhil> I'm not avoiding your point, I agree that there's puppetry now
[10:44:23] <boru> What more do you want?
[10:44:15] <boru> I stand corrected, as I said.
[10:43:45] <boru> I think you're being pedantic to avoid the point I was trying to make, and now you're making a big song and dance out of it for some reason.
[10:42:58] <FatPhil> words have meanings.
[10:42:41] <FatPhil> If going back to the 50's and the founding of the independent country is "being obtuse" or "being pedantic", then you're not interested in facts.
[10:42:20] <boru> Okay, if you want to be pedantic, "established" is false. What I was inferring was that it is now under foreign control.
[10:41:51] <FatPhil> It's the same central bank, it's just under different control - but that's because the state's under different control, and it's the state's bank, so that should be expected.
[10:41:07] <FatPhil> is false.
[10:41:03] <FatPhil> "it now has a central bank established after his death"
[10:40:53] <boru> Are you being deliberately obtuse?
[10:40:51] <FatPhil> I'd call it a falsity.
[10:40:37] <boru> < boru> I would've considered it a redundancy in what I wrote.
[10:40:26] <FatPhil> 12:27 <+FatPhil> !?!? It had a central bank before his death. All it's done is change its name a few times.
[10:40:21] <FatPhil> 12:25 < boru> Libya is certainly worse off for it, now. Low and behold, it now has a central bank established after his death.
[10:39:56] <boru> And?
[10:39:21] <FatPhil> It issued the fiat, and was lender of last resort, supporting the state's monetary policy. It was a central bank, and it was founded in the 50s.
[10:38:33] <boru> But the second revolution had nothing to do with Britain or France.
[10:38:11] <FatPhil> Dunno about that, but it doesn't need to be to be the central bank.
[10:37:55] <boru> Or at least, it had foreign oversight.
[10:37:34] <boru> I don't think their first central bank was state controlled, actually.
[10:36:51] <FatPhil> Erm, independence from Britain and France, central bank established thereafter.
[10:36:11] <boru> Foreign funded civil war, central bank established thereafter.
[10:35:33] <boru> I would've considered it a redundancy in what I wrote.
[10:32:32] <FatPhil> If your concept of "central bank" includes "is foreign controlled", then we're talking in a different vocabulary.
[10:30:22] <boru> I'm fairly sure it wasn't foreign controlled prior to the second revolution, however, but I would need to find something to back that up.
[10:28:46] <FatPhil> which is a central bank
[10:26:58] <boru> That was a state bank, iirc.
[10:26:47] <FatPhil> !?!? It had a central bank before his death. All it's done is change its name a few times.
[10:26:39] <boru> IIRC, there are now only four or so countries left in the world without a central bank.
[10:26:09] <boru> That seems to happen wherever the US invade.
[10:25:03] <boru> Libya is certainly worse off for it, now. Low and behold, it now has a central bank established after his death.
[10:23:00] <FatPhil> to all intents and purposes, indeed.
[10:21:58] <c0lo> Any economy based on a single leg is doomed.
[10:21:24] <FatPhil> But any economy based on the removal of a finite resource is eventually doomed.
[10:20:30] <FatPhil> V had gold too
[10:20:18] <c0lo> No alternative solution to pumping oil. Same with Venezuela.
[10:19:41] <FatPhil> Anything based on oil is not a long-term strategy, of course.
[10:19:26] <SedBot> <c0lo> To support my assertion: he was trying to fight lower oil prices by organizing an oil cartel (parallel to OPEC?). A position of force that one.
[10:19:26] <c0lo> s/tofight/to fight/
[10:18:59] <c0lo> To support my assertion: he was trying tofight lower oil prices by organizing an oil cartel (parallel to OPEC?). A position of force that one.
[10:18:56] <FatPhil> I think he probably lucked into a zone of short-term stability, I don't think he was a great strategist with long-term plan for the benefit of the country.
[10:17:42] <c0lo> Will never know for sure. But I have my hunches that he wouldn't. Not because he didn't want it, but because he didn't know it's necessary.
[10:03:22] <boru> Well, we will never know if he would have.
[10:02:28] <SedBot> <c0lo> That's why I said "local space/time optimum not gonna last". If you don't drive towards resilience in your country, no matter how much you spread money around, not gonna end well.
[10:02:28] <c0lo> s/spec/space/
[10:02:11] <c0lo> That's why I said "local spec/time optimum not gonna last". If you don't drive towards resilience in your country, no matter how much you spread money around, not gonna end well.
[10:02:03] <boru> I'm fairly certain there was a considerable amount of secondary industry in the nation at the time, as well, but since they had so much oil, it was the primary foundation for the economy.
[10:00:50] <boru> I was primarily referring to social reform and the prosperity of the population after the regime prior to his leadership.
[09:59:46] <c0lo> And are you really honest when you say "A not diversified economy is best for the country"?
[09:58:52] <boru> Not that I am aware of, economically.
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[09:57:24] <c0lo> Best for his country? Let me ask again: was Lybia economically doing anything else but pumping oil?
[09:56:40] * c0lo likes anythong!
[09:56:28] <boru> But as I said, I admire that he did the best for his country.
[09:56:19] <c0lo> I can't remember, was Lybia doing anythong else but pumping oil?
[09:56:13] <boru> It would piss off international bankers, for sure.
[09:55:07] <boru> And invading Libya.
[09:55:01] <c0lo> Those are good. Gold as a value was only gonna piss everybody else off.
[09:54:50] <boru> Of course, there is a lot of propaganda out there courtesy of the people trying to justify assassinating him.
[09:54:05] <boru> I think that without export embargo, it would've been sustainable for quite some time.
[09:53:34] <c0lo> Local optimum in space/time not gonna last.
[09:53:21] <boru> Free education, free healthcare, free car, free house, free money for newly-weds and so on.
[09:53:04] <c0lo> Gold has no intrinsic value (other than it doesn't rust in storage)
[09:53:01] <boru> I don't agree, personally. He did what was right for Libya.
[09:53:00] <lld> pretty sure all the wealth disparity is also emergent behavior, yup, nobody manipulating it at all
[09:52:25] <c0lo> Ghadaffi was economically stupid.
[09:52:13] <boru> Sounded, even.
[09:52:05] <boru> Much more than that. Libya sounds very attractive under his rule.
[09:52:01] <SedBot> <c0lo> Emergent behaviour in complex systems. Don't blame the players before blaming the rules of the game.
[09:52:01] <c0lo> s/rues/rules/
[09:51:45] <lld> he died
[09:51:44] <lld> "gold only pls"
[09:51:42] <c0lo> Emergent behaviour in complex systems. Don't blame the players before blaming the rues of the game.
[09:51:37] <lld> yeah gaddafi tried
[09:51:32] <lld> just say "there is no such guy"
[09:51:29] <boru> Gaddafi was one such guy.
[09:51:24] <lld> yeah, so why the weird flex then?
[09:50:52] <c0lo> "blame the guy backing out of the international banking system" there is no such a guy.
[09:50:49] <lld> "see, this guy is an evil bastard who does all kinds of evil things" "No he didn't! You lie"
[09:50:05] <boru> It was referring to the cognitive dissonance.
[09:50:04] <lld> its like describing someone but no one in particular as evil and despicable, and then somebody screaming "lies" in the middle of the crowd
[09:48:54] <lld> I wonder what prompted that flex
[09:48:47] <lld> woah dajews again
[09:47:01] <boru> What a strange character.
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[09:46:29] <AzumaHazuki> okay, time for work. IV room training begins today. a month ahead of schedule. they either really believe in me or really hate their patients :v
[09:45:02] <AzumaHazuki> at least be up front about it like eth :/
[09:44:47] <AzumaHazuki> you have a funny way of saying "it's a Jewish conspiracy"
[09:44:29] <lld> he started the war
[09:44:18] <lld> blame the guy backing out of the international banking system
[09:44:17] <boru> But I'm anti-interventionist. I don't think any nation has the right to declare war on another.
[09:43:56] <boru> I'd go back further than that, personally.
[09:43:27] <AzumaHazuki> ...and none of them have happened since world war 2
[09:43:15] <AzumaHazuki> I don't know...there are a very limited set of circumstances under which i'd support going to war
[09:43:12] <boru> And indeed, France, England, Poland and Czechia left Germany in economic ruin after WW1.
[09:42:33] <boru> War is never worth it.
[09:42:12] <AzumaHazuki> given the shambles the Weimar regime left the economy in, almost anything would work. ...the price, I hope we'd agree, wasn't worth it
[09:41:27] <boru> Their policies worked, however, so you're quite right.
[09:40:54] <AzumaHazuki> you can call anything anything you want, but like Abe said, calling a tail a leg doesn't make it so
[09:40:39] <AzumaHazuki> just one thing...the Nazis weren't socialists any more than the DPRK is a democracy
[09:40:01] <boru> Indeed. National socialism transformed Germany in four years from destitude to an economic superpower. Alas, none of that lot seem to see utility for it in their own countries.
[09:39:02] <lld> commonsense never stopped anything from happening
[09:38:18] <AzumaHazuki> could it just possibly be they're dumber than a triple-decker brick hoagie and have worse tunnel vision than a presbyopic train engineer...?
[09:37:54] * AzumaHazuki is trying to figure out why white supremacists, who have a permanent hard-on for the Nordic nations, don't also support their economic system...
[09:37:13] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 36
[09:37:13] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki++ complete agreement there
[09:35:16] <boru> Heh, I think the WEF are far more insidious and sinister than that.
[09:35:12] <AzumaHazuki> human nature being what it is, communism will never work, and neither does poorly-regulated capitalism, both for the exact same reasons
[09:34:45] <lld> just from working
[09:34:41] <FatPhil> common sense does
[09:34:34] <lld> nothing stops people from trying it
[09:34:15] <AzumaHazuki> are people still trying to make communism work? :/ that doesn't scale above 150 people or so
[09:33:52] <lld> :)
[09:33:48] <lld> if no one owns anything, suddenly nobody has anything to lose
[09:29:00] <boru> I don't think they mean that no one will own anything.
[09:28:42] <FatPhil> Well, as long as noone owns anything, then there's noone to be in debt to! Hippytopia!
[09:28:00] <boru> Well, that's the plan of the WEF. As they keep saying, by 2030 we won't own anything and live our entire life in debt.
[09:27:57] <FatPhil> And I'm not even thinking boom-bust "instability", that's not even instability, that's just cyclical, and pretty much unavoidabe in any dynamic system.
[09:27:17] <FatPhil> It's a contributor to positive feedback, and that increases the instability.
[09:26:31] <boru> Alright.
[09:26:27] <boru> I mean, you can take an arbitrary point in history and say that tie dye tshirts are at fault.
[09:26:26] <FatPhil> It's an indicator for impending troubles, that's all I said.
[09:25:58] <boru> Your subscription to his theory that private debt is ultimately responsible for the current economic state of the world.
[09:25:19] <FatPhil> What made you think otherwise?
[09:25:12] <FatPhil> So does he. Which is why e takes that into consideration
[09:25:10] <boru> The initial state, rather.
[09:24:52] <boru> I think such a model is pointless if the conditions for creating that state is not considered in the model.
[09:24:38] <FatPhil> And when you run simulations, when you push the private debt up, things tend to escape from bounded cycles.
[09:23:43] <FatPhil> The numerical models made with accurate data show an exceptionally high correlation between increase in private debt and later economic disasters.
[09:23:29] <c0lo> I'll give you another example: Australia created fiat money to keep the non-essential workers at home. Inflation didn't grow. The govt guarantees for deposits increased. The banks in Au aren't allowed to work on no reserves.
[09:22:49] <boru> i.e. that private debt caused the problems.
[09:22:42] <FatPhil> Noone's saying they did.
[09:22:39] <boru> So, drawing a conclusion based on that is flawed, imho.
[09:22:20] <boru> Not including it in the model might as well be ignoring it, imho. These things in the last 200 years didn't happen in a vacuum.
[09:21:50] <FatPhil> You'd save time if you didn't waste it making stuff up.
[09:21:47] <c0lo> Hey, a bad application doesn't make the entire concept bad.
[09:21:31] <FatPhil> Who said he was ignoring them? I didnt. He didn't. You're making that up.
[09:21:07] <boru> But as I said, I am a bit busy to discuss this properly, unfortunately.
[09:21:06] <FatPhil> And where did you get the "ignore" bit from.
[09:20:56] <FatPhil> boru: but they can't be used as inputs to build a mathematical model.
[09:20:27] <boru> Seems convenient to ignore historical fact of their outcomes, imho.
[09:20:07] <FatPhil> c0lo: look for the "THIS IS THE BOMB" bit
[09:19:58] <c0lo> Look, as long as there are enough products on the market to cover the extra fiat money (from the central bank, via govt), the inflation doesn't explode *and* the money get into circulation, fiat money aren't bad.
[09:19:40] <FatPhil> boru: note that I did *not* say "he's ignored everything before 200 years ago". Clearly he's read the histories, but we simply don't have things like unemployment statistics before and after UK manipulation of overseas economies in early empire days. If you're doing mathematical modelling of stochastic systems, histories are not much better than simulations.
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[09:17:30] <FatPhil> c0lo: https://www.forbes.com
[09:17:12] <c0lo> "Too big to fail" money and "govt bonds" money are fiat, private debt is fractional reserve.
[09:17:08] <FatPhil> YEs, and in my terminology food and cooking are distinct
[09:16:38] <boru> So, I state again, 200 years is not enough.
[09:16:20] <c0lo> In my terminology, they are distinct.
[09:16:15] <boru> The Bank of England was established in the late 1600s. There are plenty of records which show how they bankrolled economic ruin in other countries. He's missing out a lot of on how national debts and usury wrecked other nations there.
[09:15:51] <FatPhil> in a fractional reserve banking system based on fiat money, it's hard to separate the two concepts.
[09:15:20] <c0lo> That's fiat money not fractional reserve, right?
[09:14:40] <FatPhil> probably about may-ish when trump introduced his give-trillions-to-banksters emergency measures.
[09:14:35] <c0lo> What news? Like the "private debt to GDP is 200% in Australia"? That extra comes from the fraction the private bank are allowed to lend from.
[09:12:44] <boru> I disagree there.
[09:12:10] <FatPhil> c0lo: the news
[09:11:59] <FatPhil> There's very little reliable data before that
[09:11:58] <c0lo> FatPhil: care to provide citation for "fraction is zero'?
[09:11:19] <boru> 200 years is not enough.
[09:11:13] <boru> Yeah, I think you'd need to go back further than that to examine the commodity market, which is the basis for much of the mess today, and how money started disappearing and and being created out of thin air.
[09:11:04] <AzumaHazuki> and the idiots in charge are all shockedpikachu.jpg that when people can't consume the economy shits itself
[09:10:48] <FatPhil> c0lo: You do realise that as of 2020, the fraction is now 0%?
[09:10:43] <AzumaHazuki> when money is floating *and* fiat, it's on the bullshit standard. it's only got value when it's moving, hence the consumer economy
[09:10:22] <FatPhil> We don't have much accurate data - so it's hard to analyse that which we don't have. But the best part of 200 years at least.
[09:09:52] <c0lo> Fractional banking doesn't create more money than the fraction is allowed to create. On the other side, derivatives on that debt, that can be freely transactioned... and not even them are solely responsibile for the "rat race" the majority of people is forced to run.
[09:08:37] <boru> How far back does he analyse data?
[09:08:24] <FatPhil> All economic models are flawed, but Keen's basically trashed everyone else's, whilst noone's trashed his yet.
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[09:07:25] <FatPhil> Keen's looked at the data, it supports his theses.
[09:07:23] <boru> Available effort, even.
[09:07:18] <boru> But I have neither the time nor available to support my claim at the moment.
[09:07:00] <FatPhil> I'm more from the Steve Keen school of economics, I find his arguments convincing.
[09:06:50] <boru> And factually, I don't think that's correct.
[09:06:08] <boru> I disagree.
[09:05:49] <FatPhil> However, national debts have never been the thing that have crippled/destroyed economies, it's the *private* debts that have performed that task.
[09:04:47] <FatPhil> technically central banks aren't doing fractional reserve banking, as they are literally money creators, which you may consider *even worse*.
[09:03:57] <FatPhil> Those who espose capitalism think it does, and pretend to, violate it, yes.
[09:03:56] <Ingar> it wants profit for doing nothing, so it wants to create energy from nothing
[09:03:42] <boru> The central banks practice fractional reserve banking.
[09:03:21] <Ingar> capitalism violates the laws of thermodynamics
[09:03:19] <FatPhil> That's fractional reserve banking, nothing to do with central banking.
[09:03:09] <boru> You are entitled to your opinion, but I strongly disagree.
[09:02:52] <boru> They have created the inter-dependency with absurd amounts of debt.
[09:02:51] <FatPhil> I reckon the same interdependencies would evolve without them, though.
[09:02:14] <boru> Central banks are at the centre of globalism.
[09:01:34] <FatPhil> And whilst I agree with boru that it's financial interdependency, I'm not sure I'd lay the blame at the (theoretical concept of) central banks.
[09:00:21] <FatPhil> there is rather too much interdependency nowadays.
[08:59:17] <c0lo> (I reckon the entire world has more or less skin in the game)
[08:58:02] <c0lo> Wolf-diplomacy and whatnot.
[08:57:36] <c0lo> The hyper-president of China.
[08:56:58] <boru> Who is The Pooh?
[08:56:42] <SedBot> <c0lo> If US fails as a... scratch that... *when* US will fail as a superpower, I don't trust The Pooh to have too much inhibitions.
[08:56:42] <c0lo> s/Poh/Pooh/
[08:56:29] <c0lo> If US fails as a... scratch that... *when* US will fail as a superpower, I don't trust The Poh to have too much inhibitions.
[08:53:05] <FatPhil> Our friendly fluffy eastern bear neighbour has perverted that pattern here a bit, but I presume it's an almost universal bias.
[08:52:21] <FatPhil> Very clear on the US map, and the UK one too.
[08:52:05] <boru> Right.
[08:51:58] <FatPhil> Certainly the gegraphical/economic aspects are very important. City vs. country are polar almost everywhere.
[08:51:17] <FatPhil> I liked the concept of splitting the UK up into some of its ancient kingdoms, it splits into 7 * 8M people quite neatly.
[08:50:58] <boru> I think the area has an impact, also; someone who has lived their entire life in a city has no frame of reference to adequately decide on policies for rural areas, and vice versa, for example.
[08:50:06] <FatPhil> Fully agree. Most countries start to fail to have a hope of keeping everyone vaguely happy once they're over 15M people. 7M seems to be quite easy to manage.
[08:46:15] <boru> I think democracy can't work for large populations over a large area, personally.
[08:45:57] <boru> Do you think being such a large land mass has anything to do with it?
[08:41:55] <FatPhil> Because they pretend to have one. They have "elections", and things.
[08:41:28] <FatPhil> It has so many places where rounding errors can be introduced that 0.00002% of the votes cast can beat the 99.99998% choice to the white house.
[08:41:08] <boru> So how can they fail at democracy if they don't have one?
[08:40:31] <FatPhil> BEcause the US doesn't have a democracy, by design.
[08:40:17] <boru> Why has the opposition conceded in these cases?
[08:39:46] <FatPhil> In the last 7 elections, the Pugs have only won the popular vote once.
[08:39:20] <FatPhil> Quite the opposite - Bush and Trump were both elected by the smaller popular vote. Quite the opposite of democracy.
[08:38:16] <boru> Well, whatever the decision of the people, at least they follow through. I'd consider that to be democracy in action.
[08:37:53] <FatPhil> I reckon the US has any EU country beaten by most meaningful metrics.
[08:37:51] <boru> cf. Nice treaty, Lisbon treaty, election of EU ministry etc.
[08:37:18] <boru> On the contrary, I'd award that to several countries in Europe.
[08:36:43] <FatPhil> There's also just the general train-wreck aspect to it, even if it didn't directly affect us. They are the poster child for how to fail to do democracy.
[08:36:27] <boru> Then it would have virtually zero impact.
[08:36:10] <boru> If only we didn't have central banks.
[08:35:08] <FatPhil> Alas it effects the economy over here in Europe, so we do have skin in the game.
[08:35:06] <boru> Probably sensible.
[08:34:22] <FatPhil> However, I created a channel for election talk - #US_Election - to try to reduce the inevitable here.
[08:34:16] <boru> Most of the media companies are owned by the US, I guess, so that might explain it a bit.
[08:33:44] <boru> I really don't understand the fascination with the US elections on this side of the Atlantic. People seem a bit obsessed.
[08:33:03] <FatPhil> back in the "SCOTUS says 'stop the recount'" days.
[08:32:32] <FatPhil> technically, it's a mass noun, chad is the punched out bit, but hanging chads were the thing that made Florida's results unreliable back Bush days.
[08:32:32] <boru> Oh, I see.
[08:31:08] <FatPhil> Nope, but there's a country west of here, over the other side of the big pond, that's having one.
[08:31:05] <boru> I wasn't aware that there was a name for unsuccessfully punched holes.
[08:30:32] <boru> There's an election in .ee?
[08:30:25] <FatPhil> an unsuccesfully punched hole
[08:30:14] <boru> What is a paper chad?
[08:29:58] <FatPhil> election day
[08:29:54] <FatPhil> paper chads
[08:29:47] <boru> Please elaborate.
[08:29:31] <FatPhil> oooh, strangely on-topic for a bot
[08:15:11] * systemd begrudgingly pairs the last bucket of paper chads with FatPhil
[08:15:11] <boru> =grüßgott FatPhil
[08:12:41] <lld> why of course, they would raise an eyebrow if you brought on 50 batteries
[08:08:48] * systemd hideously connects a tray of poutine-- to everyone
[08:08:48] <FatPhil> =grabembythepussy everyone
[07:48:03] <c0lo> lld, pedantry on, regarding the "unlimited", you may be required to prove you are using them yourself and you will need to carry them in the hand-bagage (limited in weight by the airline)
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[07:28:31] <lld> unlimited for anything under 100Wh
[07:28:04] <lld> oh now they changed it to "with approval"
[07:27:35] <lld> you are allowed up to 2 such batteries (above 100Wh)
[06:56:07] <systemd> ^ 03Pack Safe – Batteries, lithium
[06:55:57] <c0lo> lld, even so (haven't had time to look), it's still 111Wh. It's 11Wh more that you are allowed to carry on a plane https://www.faa.gov
[06:48:36] <lld> so no, the manufacturers never lied, it just needs to be made clear at what voltage it is valid for
[06:47:34] <lld> it will not deliver anywhere close to 20Ah if tested at USB 5v
[06:46:55] <lld> c0lo: it is 20Ah, written in small fonts "3.7v"
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[06:21:05] <aristarchus_> This is the realaristarchus, a claim only made necessary by sockpuppeting Runaway, who is due for an angiocardiogram, like, tomorrow.
[06:13:19] <aristarchus_> Ouch, ferkin bucket, ouch@!
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[06:09:25] <SoyGuest62604> Runaway1956 is one year short of a load.
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[05:36:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Criss-Crossing Viruses Give Rise to Peculiar Hybrid Variants - https://sylnt.us - breeding-like-viruses
[05:20:33] <c0lo> Mate, I've seen batteries with 100000mAh written on them. Doesn't mean I need to believe them. Howevs, when you pick a powerbank with a brand that wants to maintain their reputation, you are more likely to get it quite close with what is advertised.
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[04:34:21] <SedBot> <lld> doesn't translate to 100Wh just because the USB runs at 5v
[04:34:21] <lld> s/do it//
[04:34:09] <lld> do it doesn't translate to 100Wh just because the USB runs at 5v
[04:33:44] <lld> I've seen some rated at 20Ah, but it is 3.7v internally
[04:33:21] <lld> c0lo: the batteries inside isn't necessarily 5v
[03:26:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five-Story Building 'Walks' to New Home in China - https://sylnt.us - gone-walkabout
[02:56:57] <c0lo> lld, being an USB power bank, output voltage is 5V.
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[02:50:53] <SoyCow8936> Anyway, y'all have a good night. Let's hope this all turns out to be a fizzle, or hope that Antifa/BLM gets swept right off the streets by Blackwater just as Occupy did years ago.
[02:49:47] <SoyCow8936> But the Soros busses don't go out that way, for some mysterious reason.
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[02:49:14] <SoyCow8936> I guess, if those Golems really wanted to make a difference, they'd go to the hoods where the really rich Jews live and make their case there.
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[02:46:59] <SoyCow8936> living in a historically Jewish neighborhood has its perks, but unfortunately we can't depend on the Jews having control of their Golems any longer.
[02:46:05] <SoyCow8936> a few non-illegal families, too
[02:45:55] <SoyCow8936> I'm already starting to see illegal Mexicans packing up and going away
[02:43:58] * Teckla yawns.
[02:43:25] <SoyCow8936> Same tactic the Jews used with 9/11, but on a much shorter scale.
[02:43:06] <SoyCow8936> Give the shitbags hope and allow them a more gradual curve to calm down before finally accepting the bad news.
[02:42:42] <SoyCow8936> Actually a little post-election uncertainty regarding cote counts is a good thing.
[02:41:25] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, the RPi 400 keyboard is a disappointment.
[02:41:06] <SoyCow8936> They own property there, I don't.
[02:40:57] <SoyCow8936> Good thing that in big cities, Jews are only a block away from all the other angry minorities.
[02:40:17] <Runaway1956> "If youse got the most guns you win!"
[02:40:08] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmm if you've seen Millenial Millie, they aren't planning "lawful" anything
[02:39:38] <SoyCow8936> They say that lawful protests will happen if and only if Trump wins.
[02:38:35] <Runaway1956> Oh, hi EF, I didn't recognize you
[02:38:09] <SoyCow8936> People like to bet on elections and shit. What would be awesome is if people could bet on chimpouts like they bet the spreads on sports
[02:37:23] <Runaway1956> It takes liberals that long to count
[02:37:06] <Runaway1956> Probably Thursday night
[02:36:39] <SoyCow8936> Are you all ready for Trump to win tomorrow night?
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[02:20:24] <lld> 30Ah at 12v is different than 30Ah at 3.7v
[02:20:09] <lld> all these batteries and powerbanks should also be rated with voltage
[02:19:17] <lld> 30Ah? Probably 3.7v
[02:04:20] <systemd> ^ 03How much power does the Pi4B use? Power Measurements
[02:04:18] <c0lo> 45h without recharge recording at 1080 resolution https://raspi.tv
[01:56:30] <c0lo> Sweet as
[01:56:11] <systemd> ^ 03Original Xiaomi 30000mAh Power Bank 2 USB Quick Charge 3.0 Fast Mobile Charger
[01:56:10] <c0lo> https://www.ebay.com
[01:53:47] <systemd> ^ 0310 x HOT Exxtreme Power Caps for pure power Man Libido Potency Pills Men for Him
[01:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell with that. i finally get old enough that i'm not being lead around by my pecker and you want me to take pills that'll undo all my hard work?
[01:52:27] <c0lo> And... just found what you need for staying power https://www.ebay.com
[01:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> although... adding a huge battery pack to a model m would make it even more excellent for home defense. you could brain a bear with it instead of just a human.
[01:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> da fuck you need batteries for? it's a desktop.
[01:46:53] <lld> and a HDMI/DP port for display :)
[01:46:30] <lld> the keyboard also needs space for lithium batteries
[01:46:03] <lld> somewhere in the future history books will read "...the notion that presidents need to be made in Washington D.C. ..."
[01:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, fuck the rpi400. piddly little shit keyboard. a model m has plenty of room for rpi guts already, only needs the back side flattened for the ports.
[01:44:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly for the best if we keep trending the way we have been on candidates
[01:43:01] <lld> they decided not to and change the constitution instead "Never again" they all said in unison
[01:42:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't get to. there are circumstances where they can just pick the president but i forget what kind of craziness needs to happen first.
[01:40:49] <lld> TheMightyBuzzard: what if there still aren't any presidents by January and congress decides to rule directly as the executive? :)
[01:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> just think, by this time tomorrow we'll have even less of an idea of who's going to be president than we do now
[01:39:24] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[01:39:24] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:24:14] <systemd> ^ 03Sunrise Exposed [Extended Trailer]
[01:24:13] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[01:20:37] <Runaway1956> Huh - after a big buildup, it was less than 10 minutes - what a waste
[01:16:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Develop a High-Power, Portable Terahertz Laser - https://sylnt.us
[01:15:53] <systemd> ^ 03Millie Weaver - Exclusive footage! Leftist protest groups plot election day coup (mirror)
[01:15:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
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[01:12:13] * systemd insatiably QCs a painting of SATA cables for everyone
[01:12:13] <FatPhil> =gerrymandering everyone
[01:11:38] <FatPhil> righty ho, time to retire, see you on election day!
[00:57:04] <Teckla> The RPi 400 gives me all sorts of good nostalgic shivers :)
[00:49:40] <systemd> ^ 03China’s ‘folded man’ finds happiness and hope after life-changing surgery
[00:49:38] <Runaway1956> https://www.scmp.com
[00:49:34] <Runaway1956> Fek - it hurts to look at this guy before his surgery
[00:45:26] * systemd ironically reverse-engineers a sweaty armpit of MP from chromas
[00:45:26] <FatPhil> =guacamole chromas
[00:45:22] <AzumaHazuki> meh, we can agree on salsa anyway
[00:45:18] <Aphrodite> Salsa
[00:45:03] <Runaway1956> Salsa
[00:44:55] <chromas> Salsa
[00:44:43] <Runaway1956> What you mean is, I don't spew shit like you do?
[00:44:21] <AzumaHazuki> this is why i call you a clown: because in the end, all you have is farce
[00:44:09] <AzumaHazuki> i love it when you assholes drop back into epistemological skepticism to escape an oncoming asskicking. it's like flipping the chessboard and claiming you won
[00:43:37] <Runaway1956> 'zumi has a desperate need to be corrected however
[00:43:27] <AzumaHazuki> that also may be the most revealing thing you've said in a hot minute :D
[00:43:16] <AzumaHazuki> good, because you'd be dead in short order if you did
[00:43:06] * Runaway1956 has no need to be "correct"
[00:42:55] <chromas> What have I done?
[00:42:52] <AzumaHazuki> at least try and be correct with your choice of words when you try and fight back
[00:42:39] <AzumaHazuki> also, that's not what dogwhistle means. dogwhistling is using coded language your base gets. like "thugs" for "black men in general"
[00:42:29] * systemd whole-heartedly steals a DVD of paprika from FatPhil
[00:42:28] <chromas> =g'salsa FatPhil
[00:41:54] * Runaway1956 notes that 'Zumi heard that dog whistle - she never misses it
[00:41:52] <AzumaHazuki> if you're tired of the mean scary lady kicking your shrivelled nuts somewhere up behind your pineal gland on the regular, you can always leave :D
[00:41:34] * chromas sneaks in and installs salsa everywhere in Runaway1956's house
[00:41:27] <Runaway1956> lol
[00:41:17] <AzumaHazuki> a couple of times an hour to a couple a minute depending on how fast I'm attacking :)
[00:40:52] <Runaway1956> 'zumi may have been right a couple times in her life
[00:40:34] <chromas> AzumaHazuki was right about you
[00:40:11] * Runaway1956 is not the world's biggest fan of salsa though
[00:39:29] <FatPhil> chromas: I'm thinking of when I eat out, of course *my* salsa's excellent.
[00:39:00] <chromas> Use lime juice instead of vinegar
[00:38:54] <Runaway1956> was to plant tomato and pepper plants together in the same row, alternating them
[00:38:30] <Runaway1956> My "trick" for good salsa (when I actually planted the garden)
[00:37:15] <Runaway1956> Made by folks in San Antonio who know what salsa should taste like!
[00:36:52] <Runaway1956> Never!
[00:36:42] <chromas> New York City?!
[00:36:20] <Runaway1956> Pace picante sauce is good
[00:34:57] <chromas> Don't make mediocre salsa.
[00:33:36] <FatPhil> the problem with good salsa is that you tend to crave good salsa, and be disappointed by mediocre salsa.
[00:00:47] <chromas> Yes. Yes they do.