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[23:58:59] <RandomFactor> FatPhil's got my taste in music nailed I see.
[23:57:33] <systemd> ^ 03Wishbone Ash - Phoenix
[23:57:30] <FatPhil> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[23:57:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> my current recommendation: Baker's 107. unfortunately i'm out cause i drank the last the other night. rua it is
[23:57:26] <RandomFactor> Now the Irish make some decent beer
[23:57:00] <FatPhil> I think the Irish pot still tech, which is different from the scottish tech
[23:56:15] <FatPhil> different tech
[23:56:01] <requerdanos> How does the 'e' affect the flavor?
[23:55:14] <RandomFactor> Dewars is my current choice. But i make no claims to being anything but a wimp.
[23:54:19] <FatPhil> oooh - I am a whisky (no 'e') drinker
[23:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, man, we still play em daily
[23:53:54] <FatPhil> zep was basically not on UK airplay after about 1973
[23:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> and bourbon
[23:53:26] <FatPhil> if there's one thing I do like/admire the US for it's the radio that's still playing good music
[23:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're on the radio on forza horizon 4 or 3 or something
[23:50:50] <RandomFactor> no kidding, i'm subscribed and dont remember ever doing it
[23:50:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> first time i heard them guys i was like "wtf, a zeppelin song i never heard?"
[23:49:07] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:48:58] <FatPhil> send pics...
[23:48:51] <FatPhil> I'm not sure you're my type
[23:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, blow me and i'll owe you one
[23:48:22] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Greta Van Fleet - When The Curtain Falls (Official Video)
[23:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt Greta Van Fleet when the curtain falls
[23:47:45] <FatPhil> ... because 69's a bit of a mouthful ...
[23:47:24] <FatPhil> technically that could be said about almost any number
[23:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> 68 ftw
[23:46:48] <RandomFactor> 8 more
[23:46:47] <RandomFactor> you get
[23:46:44] <RandomFactor> 77> 69, because....
[23:46:30] <FatPhil> what's 8more?
[23:46:20] <RandomFactor> Figured you were attached to 8more
[23:46:09] <FatPhil> wha?
[23:45:57] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 77
[23:45:57] <RandomFactor> fatphil--
[23:45:51] <RandomFactor> Ohhh, bummer
[23:45:37] <RandomFactor> Points for that
[23:45:35] <FatPhil> donkey shite
[23:45:29] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 78
[23:45:29] <RandomFactor> FatPhil++
[23:45:17] <systemd> ^ 03Roy Smeck
[23:45:15] <FatPhil> Eddie van Halen's granddad: https://www.youtube.com
[23:44:57] <RandomFactor> I'm still watching Dread Zep
[23:44:46] <FatPhil> did you see my "granddad" thing?
[23:44:03] <FatPhil> EvH did say he was influenced by Page and in particular Heartbreaker
[23:43:11] <FatPhil> it's a classic
[23:41:45] <RandomFactor> That's an interesting fusion
[23:40:29] <systemd> ^ 03Dread Zeppelin HeartBreaker
[23:40:27] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[23:39:55] <systemd> ^ 03Van Halen - Eruption Guitar Cover ( https://www.youtube.com )
[23:39:52] <RandomFactor> https://youtu.be
[23:38:29] <RandomFactor> I miss Tina S
[23:37:59] <systemd> ^ 03Van Halen - Eruption/You Really Got Me
[23:37:57] <FatPhil> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[23:37:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Create Nanoparticles that Deliver Gene-Editing Tools to Specific Tissues and Organs - https://sylnt.us - itty-bitty-tweezers
[23:36:47] <FatPhil> Van Halen refernce!
[23:35:08] <RandomFactor> Not sure, you really got me
[23:34:21] <chromas> Don't they kinda go together though?
[23:31:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm more of a hot for teacher fan than eruption
[23:27:22] <systemd> ^ 03Goodbye Spandex
[23:27:19] <FatPhil> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[23:19:53] <systemd> ^ 03Arthritic Shredfest
[23:19:51] <FatPhil> technically, this probably wouldn't have happened without EvH: https://www.youtube.com
[23:12:28] <c0lo> (grin)
[23:12:21] <systemd> ^ 03Save Lentil As Anything, organized by Lentilian Anonymous
[23:12:21] <c0lo> Save a lentil https://www.gofundme.com
[23:09:13] <FatPhil> n.p. Eruption by every band that ever did a respectful coverof it
[22:38:47] <chromas> they could have Flint Simulator or something
[22:38:08] <chromas> games is their thing though
[22:36:13] <requerdanos> or indeed have involved games at all, but would have stuck to providing water.
[22:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they really wanted them to get clean water, they wouldn't have put shitty games in the bundle.
[22:17:08] <chromas> I don't see anything I like. Sorry, people
[22:17:01] <chromas> Humble Bundle: "Help 4.5k people get clean water with video games"
[21:25:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Design the World's Fastest Ultraviolet Camera - https://sylnt.us - quick-pic
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[20:44:54] * TheMightyBuzzard buggers off to do other stuff
[20:44:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> following is not to be confused with being friends with. given an annoying friend who posts dumb shit you don't want to see but that you do want to remain friends with so they can tag you, reply to you, and such, you can unfollow them and not see anything they post unless it has your name attached.
[20:41:47] <RandomFactor> You can follow people on facebook? I thought they just followed you and you wondered how they found you and why they followed you since you never post.
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[20:17:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. i just unfollow anyone posting political stuff on fb. it's for funny memes and baby pictures.
[20:12:01] <requerdanos> still, just about every "Read This!" shared on "social media" Should have a link "Is this true?" that just automatically pops up a box saying "Nope."
[20:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. what they choose to fact check (or not) alone says worlds about their agenda. and that's without even going into their checks being reliably true or not.
[20:08:30] <carny> it used to be useful for finding out things like 'is the nieman marcus cookie recipe real?' but those days are long gone
[20:07:42] <carny> snopes is an aggressive disinformation propaganda source
[20:06:39] <requerdanos> "But you can research it to see whether any parts of it may be true."
[20:06:12] <requerdanos> I dunno, just about every "Read This!" shared on "social media" Should have a link "Is this true?" that just automatically pops up a box saying "Nope."
[20:05:06] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bytram> we fewer snopes and more syups
[20:05:06] <chromas> Bytram: s/y.*/yups/
[20:04:41] <Bytram> we fewer snopes and more syesses
[20:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> all absurd but true stories
[20:03:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it's still ongoing. they even started up an actual news site just to poke even more fun at snopes. notthebee.com
[20:03:17] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Eruption Guitar Solo--Eddie Van Halen (10:58; 23,876,827 views; 👍96,848 👎3,871)
[20:03:16] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[20:01:22] <systemd> ^ 03The Babylon Bee - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[20:01:21] <halibut> Wikipedia recounts an amusing feud between Babylon Bee and Snopes: https://en.wikipedia.org
[19:56:06] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Eruption By Edi Van Hallen (02:04; 1,133 views; 👍52 👎0)
[19:56:04] <Bytram> =yt eruption -remaster -cover -tribute
[19:55:48] * Bytram notes resurrection of names of old
[19:55:21] * systemd crutchyly pits a gigabyte of brussels sprouts against TheMightyBuzzard
[19:55:20] <Bytram> =grover TheMightyBuzzard
[19:55:15] <systemd> https://youtube.com - VAN HALEN - ERUPTION GUITAR SOLO TRIBUTE - RIP 1955 - 2020 (03:21; 1,723 views; 👍435 👎2)
[19:55:14] <Bytram> =yt eruption -remaster -cover
[19:55:07] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Van Halen | Eruption | GUITAR COVER (2020) (02:32; 22,673 views; 👍4,078 👎14)
[19:55:05] <Bytram> =yt eruption -remaster
[19:54:56] * systemd faithfully mixes an overflowing treasure chest of ciri poo with Bytram
[19:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> =gday Bytram
[19:54:49] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Eruption (2015 Remaster) (01:43; 1,295,724 views; 👍28,367 👎1,640)
[19:54:47] <Bytram> =yt eruption
[19:54:38] <systemd> ^ 03Woman Immediately Healed After Touching Hem Of Trump's Suit Jacket
[19:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[19:54:24] <Bytram> FatPhil: I've not seen it, either. Never used Facebood, either. From what I've read of the company's backbround, and how movie productions tend to take "liberties" with the material, I'd rather spend my time on something more productive.
[19:53:24] <systemd> ^ 03Church Guitarist Finally Has Excuse To Play 'Eruption' During Sunday Service
[19:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[19:53:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're PROPER comedians, they'll rip on anyone being stupid
[19:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> way, way better
[19:50:38] * halibut was confused until realizing that Babylon Bee is like The Onion.
[19:48:19] * TheMightyBuzzard laffs
[19:48:16] <systemd> ^ 03Biden Even More Determined To Not Get COVID After Finding Out He Could Lose Sense Of Smell
[19:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[19:46:51] <halibut> FatPhil: I have not seen The Social Dilemma, but after reading the Wikipedia page, I would like to watch it. Thanks. Have you seen it, and, if so, do you recommend it?
[19:15:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM to Break up 109-Year Old Company to Focus on Cloud Growth - https://sylnt.us - out-with-the-less-profitable
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[18:34:26] <AzumaHazuki> okay, off to work
[18:30:32] <AzumaHazuki> my version will be simpler (no eggs and such) but based on this profile and set of bulk ingredients
[18:29:15] <systemd> ^ 03Peruvian Chicken Stew with Corn
[18:29:13] <AzumaHazuki> https://beyondmeresustenance.com this is what i was looking for :)
[18:25:07] <AzumaHazuki> that's a very mesoamerican thing: new world tubers, beans, and turkey. i've got some giant white hominy i'll try for the next batch
[18:11:55] <requerdanos> Interesting.
[18:07:13] <AzumaHazuki> goes great with ground turkey and black beans
[18:06:41] <AzumaHazuki> sweet potatoes work in chilli :9
[17:55:46] <arti|work> like ascii art>
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[17:06:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Cloud Issues Continue With More Global Outages - https://sylnt.us - microsoft-cloudy-future
[15:25:37] <chromas> FatPhil needs an irc bot that converts links to articles into walls of irc messages
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[15:05:19] <Bytram> ;)
[15:04:51] <SedBot> <Bytram> <FatPhil> today is the longest pubcrawl since the accident, so I hope I don't fall
[15:04:51] <Bytram> FatPhil: s/il/ll/
[15:04:45] <Bytram> s/il/ll/
[15:04:28] <FatPhil> today is the longest pubcrawl since the accident, so I hope I don't fail
[15:04:03] <Bytram> time for me to get a move-on. laters!
[15:03:48] <Bytram> obliged
[15:03:35] <Bytram> FatPhil: thanks a bunch for the feedback, hope you have a good rest-of-your-day!
[15:03:33] <FatPhil> tonight's a pubcrawl, but I'll page up back to this bit either tonight or tomorrow. if it becomes an asksoylent, I'll chip in there
[15:01:28] <Bytram> k
[15:01:25] <Bytram> Heh, could make a good "ask soylent" story for the weekend.
[15:01:05] <FatPhil> I can't read any links now, I'm on my phone, and it can't see 99% of the web
[15:00:56] <Bytram> that was more a rhetorical question, btw,
[15:00:32] * Bytram whines is FatPhil's general direction. ;)
[15:00:05] <Bytram> still, is this just an oversight of the CSS standards group? (1) I cannot imagine I'm the first to encounter this. (2) They seem to be a pretty sharp lot. (3) That Stack Exchange question confirms another person has queried this. (4) for every question that *is* asked, there are (pick a number) others that are considered but not posted.
[15:00:03] <FatPhil> their browser did that, don't whine at me.
[14:59:45] <FatPhil> one of my webpages has *no styling at all*, and some friends keep complaining that the text's too small.
[14:58:28] <FatPhil> But I'm an arse, and if 99% of users are using browsers that do something dumb, then 99% of users deserve to see something dumb.
[14:57:44] <Bender> karma - pedantic: 2
[14:57:44] <Bytram> pedantic++
[14:57:18] <FatPhil> I would use semantically pedantic markup, if I didn't trust browsers to do the right thing, I'd add a CSS rule for em>em
[14:57:02] <Bytram> nod nod; hence my qualification... yet, that is the only way I've ever seen nested italics presented. Then consider what should happen when that nesting is, in turn, nested. I should not have to modify the source plain text to change the appearance.'
[14:56:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stem Cell Sheets Harvested in Just Two Days - https://sylnt.us - bumper-crop
[14:55:04] <FatPhil> also note that the APA disavows the typical browser choice of physical markup for semantic emphasis. so any attempts to look at APA for insights into HTML will lead to madness
[14:51:59] <systemd> https://stackoverflow.com - Nested italics in HTML - Stack Overflow
[14:51:59] <Bytram> =g CSS nested italics
[14:46:35] * Bytram just swapped <i> for <em>... got the same result as before -- nested italics presented as italics
[14:43:03] <Bytram> oh, wait.... give me a couple minutes
[14:42:09] <Bytram> CSS provides the markup for the plain text; I should mark up the text for what it *is* and leave it to the CSS to present it correctly.
[14:41:05] <Bytram> ^^^ this one
[14:41:01] <Bytram> <em>Demographic Characteristics of Study Participants (</em>N<em> = 250)</em>
[14:40:54] <Bytram> Okaaaay, so how would you mark up that example I just gave?
[14:40:39] <FatPhil> the fact that ems are usually implemented using italics is not relevant.
[14:39:57] <FatPhil> That APA guide is talking about nested italics, not nested ems.
[14:39:04] <Bytram> I'm not arguing the *concept* -- I agree with what you suggest -- but this is the only way I recall ever seeing it done. nested italics become reversed to non-italic
[14:37:49] <Bytram> I can imagine other style guidelines may have other proscriptions, but I don't ever recall seeing anything different.
[14:37:10] <FatPhil> but the stress should be *greater* in the nested ems, normal style is not greater emphasis than single-emphasized style unless you want a paradox.
[14:36:48] <Bytram> <em>Demographic Characteristics of Study Participants (</em>N<em> = 250)</em>
[14:36:20] <Bytram> the last line is displayed as:
[14:35:38] <Bytram> Demographic Characteristics of Study Participants (N = 250)
[14:35:37] <Bytram> When words that would normally be italicized appear within text that is already italicized, those words should be set in standard (nonitalic) type, referred to as reverse italicization. For example, if an italic symbol appears in a table title (which is also italicized), use standard type for the symbol.
[14:35:37] <Bytram>
[14:35:37] <Bytram> Reverse Italics
[14:35:36] <Bytram> https://apastyle.apa.org (scroll down to Reverse Italics):
[14:33:09] <systemd> https://apastyle.apa.org - Use of Quotation Marks
[14:33:08] <Bytram> =g grammar nested italics style
[14:30:46] <systemd> https://helpx.adobe.com - Drop caps and nested styles
[14:30:46] <Bytram> =g nested italics style
[14:29:52] <Bytram> embedded italicized text from *that* document in *this* document, it is presented in normal text... which matches with what I had been taught *way* back when.
[14:29:52] <Bytram> FatPhil: (sorry, stepped away for a bit) that runs counter to what I had learned. I have a book of readings. At the top of each page is a quotation from another work. This quotation is stylized as italic on each page. Following the quotation is some text that offers a perspective on the quote which is styled in normal text. On occasion, the quoted text contains text that -- in the original source -- was stylized italic. So, to set off the
[14:06:14] <FatPhil> em within em is still just em, so italic generally.
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[14:01:21] <Bytram> or am I missing something?
[14:00:55] <Bytram> This *is* <em>font-style: italic</a>, but this *should* be <em><em>font-style: normal</em></em>, by default... at least on Pale Moon.
[13:59:20] <Bytram> ugh.
[13:59:10] <Bytram> maybe it was a little-known family tradition?
[13:58:15] <FatPhil> well, a salmon pasta bake can be lovely, but there's nothing "traditionally lasagne" about it.
[13:57:43] <Bytram> ick
[13:57:34] <FatPhil> In a curious reversage, one of the things on offer today was "traditional salmon lasagne"
[13:57:33] <Bytram> baaafish
[13:57:16] <Bytram> Perfect!
[13:57:02] <FatPhil> Next time the g/f suggests we should have fish for lunch, I will start dropping terms like those into my suggestions.
[13:55:53] <Bytram> I appreciate the complement, but I just love how quickly you took that concept and ran with it in an even more hilarious direction!
[13:54:57] <Bytram> :D
[13:54:52] <Bender> karma - bytram: 141
[13:54:52] <FatPhil> Bytram++
[13:54:48] <FatPhil> you did the inventive part though!
[13:54:45] <systemd> https://prostbrewing.com - Prost Brewing: German-Style Brewery in Colorado | German Biers
[13:54:44] <Bytram> =g prost
[13:54:33] <FatPhil> cheers :)
[13:54:22] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 77
[13:54:22] <Bytram> FatPhil++
[13:54:17] <Bytram> I *love* it!
[13:54:03] <Bytram> ROFL!
[13:53:58] <Bender> Added quote 992
[13:53:58] <Bytram> !grab FatPhil
[13:53:45] <FatPhil> big fan of moofish, also of quackfish and oinkfish.
[13:53:43] <Bytram> I don't get it. The barometer is on the rise since yesterday, and it's hard to get myself going today. Maybe I overdid it trying to get things done while the barometer was on a long, downward spiral.
[13:52:11] <Bytram> :D
[13:52:06] <Bender> Added quote 991
[13:52:06] <Bytram> !grab requerdanos
[13:51:57] <Bytram> fwiw, I mostly only like Moo Fish... I mostly only like fish that say "Moo"!
[13:51:06] <requerdanos> I'm a square drone!
[13:50:35] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 76
[13:50:35] <Bytram> FatPhil++ TYVM -- I learned a new word today
[13:47:56] <inz> me neither, just relying on televised occurrences
[13:46:57] <FatPhil> but I refuse to even open tins that are bulging outwards.
[13:46:35] <FatPhil> I've never had it, or even been in its vicinity
[13:31:39] <inz> aka. instant projectile vomit
[13:28:27] <FatPhil> coulda been worse, could have been surströmming
[13:27:31] * systemd excitedly stuffs a ⅓ cup of sadness into carny
[13:27:30] <FatPhil> =globalisation carny
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[13:14:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Fake News is Biggest Global Cybercrime Concern" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:14:23] <systemd> Submitting "Fake News is Biggest Global Cybercrime Concern"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com:443 )
[13:14:19] <RandomFactor> =submit perspective https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com
[13:09:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Engineers Create Helical Topological Exciton-polaritons, a New Type of Quasiparticle" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:09:32] <systemd> Submitting "Engineers create helical topological exciton-polaritons, a new type of quasiparticle"...
[13:09:26] <RandomFactor> =submit delectrifying https://phys.org
[13:06:17] <systemd> ^ 03Engineers create helical topological exciton-polaritons, a new type of quasiparticle
[13:06:16] <RandomFactor> https://phys.org
[12:57:42] <systemd> ^ 03Is Warren Buffett the Wallet Behind Black Lives Matter?
[12:57:41] <driveby> https://www.tabletmag.com
[12:52:38] <systemd> ^ 03The Social Dilemma - Wikipedia
[12:52:37] <FatPhil> ANyone seen https://en.wikipedia.org ?
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[12:48:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Owning an Electric Car Really Does Save Money, Consumer Reports Finds - https://sylnt.us - dollars-and-sense
[12:35:34] <FatPhil> requerdanos = square drone
[12:35:32] <FatPhil> Are you a quadcopter?
[12:32:52] <requerdanos> FatPhil, provider of odd words = Disapproved dolt, or whiff rod (anagram)
[12:22:06] <FatPhil> Elliot Rodger's "War on Women" = Morose loner won't wed a girl (anagram)
[10:36:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Announces Zen 3 CPUs - https://sylnt.us - everything-zen
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[09:01:44] <FatPhil> Trofim Lysenko Denisovich = Oh, insincerity moved folks (anagram)
[08:26:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Zoologists Uncover New Example of Rapid Evolution - Meet the Sulawesi Babblers - https://sylnt.us - feeding-babblers-spilled-the-beans
[08:13:51] <systemd> ^ 03I’m horrified
[08:13:49] <chromas> https://old.reddit.com
[07:08:23] <FatPhil> the best thing about it is that it's free and available as a background for OSM, so that's the layer I do my OSM edits over as it's higher resolution than all the others.
[07:06:23] <FatPhil> I don't think it's anything special, just any old GIS system. More functional than most though. Still as buggy as all hell though.
[07:05:36] <chromas> What is this X-GIS software they're using? A buttsearch just leads to the same web site
[07:03:56] <FatPhil> Factually correct, but I will confess to deliberately misleading you.
[07:03:29] <FatPhil> muahahah - also, my office: https://upload.wikimedia.org
[07:01:48] <FatPhil> my office: http://xgis.maaamet.ee :-)
[06:59:31] <FatPhil> Our office is ~400m SW of that.
[06:58:17] <FatPhil> yeah, but Nolan blew up Linnahall http://xgis.maaamet.ee
[06:57:37] <chromas> I think the only Nolan movies I've seen were the Batman ones
[06:57:34] <guy_> damn phil you look angry
[06:57:21] <chromas> Bay's got moar explosions
[06:57:08] <FatPhil> some of the reviews online did compare Tenet to a Bay production!
[06:56:36] <FatPhil> can you see I'm angry!?!?!
[06:56:21] <FatPhil> we went to the fancy screen with the plush reclining seats (leg was still in a bad way), and paif 10e per fukcing ticket. I feel well ripped off.
[06:56:09] <chromas> I tell ya hwhat, we'll send over Michael Bay to Finnish off your buildings
[06:55:27] <FatPhil> Movie was bollocks though.
[06:55:22] <FatPhil> However, he blew up a building only 400m from my office, so that was cool.
[06:55:01] <chromas> I only remember the one on the bus
[06:54:43] <FatPhil> do you remember when I took a photo of all the massive cameras/lights in my street last year? That fucking scene was left on the cutting room floor. Fuck Nolan.
[06:54:17] <chromas> Did they use wool back then?
[06:54:09] <chromas> Middle-ages period
[06:53:32] <chromas> well shit
[06:53:31] <FatPhil> as I mentioned yesterday, they're filming a middle-ages period drama in the square presently, and apparently there are some carriages on display
[06:52:22] <FatPhil> ooops, wrong window
[06:52:15] <FatPhil> smells of poop?
[06:48:06] <chromas> :'(
[06:47:52] <FatPhil> See, my ++ was better than your ++
[06:47:37] <Bender> karma - cheese: 24
[06:47:37] <FatPhil> cheese++
[06:47:31] <Bender> karma - cheese: 23
[06:47:31] <chromas> cheese++
[06:46:34] <systemd> ^ 03Classic — Beemster Cheese
[06:46:32] <FatPhil> currently enjoying this puppy: https://beemstercheese.us
[06:45:36] <FatPhil> I tend to like my cheese 18 months old, not prepared to do that experiment with milk
[06:44:54] <chromas> I am gonna judge you! Fuck you for trying to avoid cheese!
[06:44:31] <FatPhil> fuck you for judging me!
[06:44:19] <FatPhil> nah, I put the milk in first, because I wanted to check it hadn't turned into cheese
[06:39:23] <chromas> Did you put in a pinch of salt?
[06:38:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 629
[06:38:51] <FatPhil> tea++
[06:38:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 628
[06:38:51] <FatPhil> tea++
[06:38:44] <Bender> karma - tea: 627
[06:38:44] <FatPhil> coffee--
[06:38:42] <FatPhil> fuck me, this is the most disgusting cup of coffee I've ever made.
[06:38:10] <FatPhil> systemd is just a pawn of the patriarchy.
[06:36:57] <systemd> FatPhil, you're a socialist!
[06:36:57] <chromas> =socialist FatPhil
[06:36:53] <chromas> Also
[06:36:48] <chromas> no u
[06:35:54] <FatPhil> This is going swimmingly!
[06:35:44] <FatPhil> Because you're so dumb.
[06:35:25] <chromas> Was she doing a Trump impression? Shit, I hadn't even noticed
[06:35:00] <FatPhil> but in trump-talk, zuzu won, and everyone else should be ashamed of themselves.
[06:34:44] <chromas> No, YOU'RE dumb!!
[06:34:38] <chromas> We can reenact it though if you want. I'll start:
[06:34:31] <FatPhil> yeah, I think every single contributor needed a fucking slap
[06:33:41] <chromas> If by fun you meant tedium
[06:33:33] <FatPhil> you yanks need to be awake at more civilised hours, so that i can join in.
[06:33:11] <FatPhil> looked like I missed some fun last night
[06:08:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We Might Not be Able to Understand Free Will with Science. Here’s Why - https://sylnt.us - mental-masturbation
[06:01:26] <guy_> The question of the day: Are idli the most boring things in the world?
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[05:10:35] <SoyCow0495> =submit https://www.nationalgeographic.com
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[04:41:40] <lld> bageling? in my slideshow?
[04:41:20] <A-J-O-T-D> These were mostly British Jews.
[04:40:59] <A-J-O-T-D> I remember that one of them even slipped a subtle star of David into a corporate powerpoint.
[04:38:27] <A-J-O-T-D> I'd like to mention that corporate Jews were the ones overseeing the outsourcing of the manufacture to China.
[04:38:24] <guy_> Didn't you tell us the same thing a few days ago, Ethanol?
[04:37:38] <A-J-O-T-D> On that exact same shit, by the way. I even helped with the chemical manuracturing aspect of it here before I left.
[04:36:41] <A-J-O-T-D> It's hilarious to read because I was working on the Boston Dynamics-Hwawei contract when I abruptly quit for reasons.
[04:34:52] <A-J-O-T-D> They probably had a semitruck worth of the shit in that factory.
[04:34:33] <A-J-O-T-D> Because when Chinks get ahold of it, FOOOF and Kaboom!
[04:34:17] <A-J-O-T-D> Or manufacture, for that matter.
[04:34:12] <A-J-O-T-D> Unfortunately, carbonyl iron powder is a very nasty and dangerous chemical that no Chink should ever be allowed to handle.
[04:33:36] <A-J-O-T-D> We had other plants in China, where we moved production. The Chinese government likely took those formulations and gave them right over to Hwawei.
[04:32:42] <A-J-O-T-D> I'm convinced that the materials technology used was invented in the US in the Boston Dynamics plant where I worked and actually formulated and conducted EM testing of those materials.
[04:31:41] <lld> I hope it involves animes
[04:31:29] <lld> >< guy_> When I said "JoJo" she went to her computer to look her up
[04:31:07] <A-J-O-T-D> The Hwawei building was conducting materials science R&D related to telecom applications, specifically 4G and 5G.
[04:30:28] <A-J-O-T-D> Kind of a follow-up on the Hwawei building explosion. Nothing too damning.
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[03:58:49] <c0lo> @guy_ was thinking you may want to add Attenborough together with Soros in your collection of scarries.
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[03:57:37] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[03:46:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Confirms 'Slow Blinks' Really Do Work to Communicate With Your Cat - https://sylnt.us - blink...blink
[03:39:50] <guy_> "Ask your doctor if Regeneron is right for you!"
[03:38:57] <c0lo> ("confirmation bias")
[03:38:13] <SedBot> <c0lo> A 3rd party steps onto the stage. guy_: oh, look, 3 liars now.
[03:38:13] <c0lo> s/step/steps/
[03:37:59] <c0lo> A 3rd party step onto the stage. guy_: oh, look, 3 liars now.
[03:36:59] <systemd> ^ 03REGENERON!
[03:36:58] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[03:36:49] <guy_> fekkin coffee cup is empty, fekkin coffee pot is empty, fek fek fek
[03:36:45] <requerdanos> sadly true.
[03:36:09] <guy_> if that were to happen, more people could figure out that everyone on stage is a liar
[03:35:49] <guy_> yes, very much yes!
[03:35:38] <requerdanos> I'd like to see third party candidates up on the debate stage.
[03:34:21] <AzumaHazuki> never gonna happen. this country's locked in
[03:34:07] <guy_> I would truly love to see a third party - ANY third party - start getting those federal campaign funds
[03:33:23] <guy_> not that my individual vote matters - I'm in a solid Republican zone here
[03:33:18] <requerdanos> Remember, "bipartisan" does not mean "neutral" -- that's a lie. It means "R's and D's ganging up against you."
[03:32:44] <requerdanos> heh that's about the only way the libertarians get coverage
[03:32:40] <guy_> that's how much coverage anyone outside the duopoly gets
[03:32:26] <guy_> When I said "JoJo" she went to her computer to look her up
[03:32:05] <guy_> Dear wife asked me tonight, "Well, who are you going to vote for this time?"
[03:31:13] <requerdanos> Sorry you missed it, I guess.
[03:30:53] <guy_> was there a conversation? not that I noticed . . .
[03:29:23] <requerdanos> So tmb killed the conversation.
[03:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, thas all i got left in me. ima go grab one more smoke then sleep.
[03:24:10] <systemd> ^ 03Melanie - Brand New Key (Audio)
[03:24:08] <guy_> https://www.youtube.com
[03:23:14] <guy_> There's a song for that
[03:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i can drive to the good skating spots
[03:22:39] <guy_> if I need to skate, I'll tie the skates to my feet
[03:22:27] * guy_ doesn't plan on stepping on a board ever again
[03:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is not a situation i spect to continue though
[03:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and even not having touched one for 25 years, i can still do more tricks than her.
[03:21:25] <guy_> well, that too
[03:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think she does mostly cause it's boring skating by yourself
[03:21:09] <c0lo> @AzumaHazuki - well, there's a lot to be slide on that entropy slope until the maths emerges.
[03:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, sufficiently advanced technology and all that. space ships be damned, we been advanced for thousands of years.
[03:20:36] <guy_> I expect the little girl tolerates you skating with her because you make her look good
[03:20:36] * AzumaHazuki is in constant amazed, grateful wonder at things like this, how basic physical constants gave rise to everything we observe
[03:19:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, i LIKE skateboarding though. just haven't had a skateboard or anyone to skate with in 25 years or so.
[03:19:39] <c0lo> (done for now, need to put some work to finish the week)
[03:19:36] <AzumaHazuki> nope, emergency. plain old physics, creating chemistry, creating biochemistry, all sliding down along a simple entropy gradient...and, voila, ethanol!
[03:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> that ain't emergent behavior, that's fuckin magic of the highest order.
[03:18:51] <c0lo> You don't need to, TMB. You will pass the middle-age stage even without cardio.
[03:18:51] <guy_> actually, tobacco marinated in good yeasty extractions can be good
[03:18:13] <c0lo> (yeast with glocose will cause some emergent behavior too. Put that in your gestalt, but don't smore it, guy_)
[03:17:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> only middle aged at the moment but i'm training hard
[03:17:36] <guy_> you mean your OLD cardio-allergic ass?
[03:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> like literally. too hard to keep them both open. skateboarding is kicking my cardio-allergic ass
[03:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. got one eye closed already.
[03:15:53] * AzumaHazuki starts counting down...
[03:15:48] <guy_> lol
[03:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> guy_, introduce it to yeast. way more fun than just glucose.
[03:15:32] <c0lo> TMB, too tired to join?
[03:15:08] <SedBot> <c0lo> Just be careful with how much glucose you're taking, guy_.
[03:15:08] <c0lo> s/glocose/glucose/
[03:14:50] <guy_> just another motte and bailey
[03:14:46] <c0lo> Just be careful with how much glocose you're taking, guy_.
[03:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you guys look like you're having fun this evening.
[03:14:35] <AzumaHazuki> you can't handle this kind of thinking. you desperately need the world to be simple black and white sharply-delineated categories
[03:13:30] <AzumaHazuki> THAT is gestalt in action
[03:13:24] <AzumaHazuki> THAT is emergence
[03:13:15] <AzumaHazuki> take glucose. it's just C/H/O. Where, when looking at carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen by themselves, is even the concept of "glucose" hinted at? but arrange them just so, and...glucose
[03:13:09] <requerdanos> wait, that was me
[03:13:01] <lld> whoah autism
[03:13:01] <requerdanos> russian, german, whatever, both foreign, amirite?
[03:12:59] <guy_> and you play fucking games denying that there is even an antifa
[03:12:57] <c0lo> Word free associations again
[03:12:46] <AzumaHazuki> jesus
[03:12:45] <AzumaHazuki> ...gestalt is german you fucking ignoramus
[03:12:34] <guy_> "emergent behaviour and gestalt phenomena" - sounds like Russia and the bolsheviks to me
[03:12:25] <requerdanos> kind of like yes, the government tracks you; no, not by secret waves coming out of your radio
[03:12:22] <AzumaHazuki> the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and may produce behavior you wouldn't expect from looking at the parts
[03:12:04] <AzumaHazuki> see above just now
[03:11:57] <guy_> cause me trouble?
[03:11:52] <AzumaHazuki> i notice it's very difficult for people like you to handle the idea of emergent behavior and gestalt phenomena
[03:11:41] <guy_> and these kidnappers are part of that whole "idea"
[03:11:38] <requerdanos> rioting assholes who are a secret undercover george soros group are not a real thing.
[03:11:31] <c0lo> Well, CT-ists have many idiocies, this doesn't make them a thing.
[03:11:28] <AzumaHazuki> this kind of thing seems to cause you trouble, runaway
[03:11:20] <requerdanos> rioting assholes are a real thing.
[03:11:17] <AzumaHazuki> so i'd expect that there are separate (and perhaps very different) sub-sects of antifa, but antifa itself is more a loose ideology than a coherent group
[03:11:09] <guy_> meanwhile, Portland can't go about it's business because all these assholes are rioting
[03:10:44] <lld> c0lo: those riots are an idea
[03:10:38] <AzumaHazuki> you can find some common themes and ideas across most or all of them
[03:10:25] <AzumaHazuki> kind of like...there's no one single monolithic Christianity but there are definitely well-defined sects of Christianity. Does that help?
[03:10:16] <requerdanos> There are a thing within the domain of right-nutjob conspiracy theorism, sure
[03:09:55] <c0lo> Antifa riots - are those a thing?
[03:09:53] <AzumaHazuki> looks like a subset of antifa members with similar worldviews. there's no monolithic antifa but there can be monolithic blocs within it
[03:09:52] <requerdanos> "antifa" is a key word in information processing. When you hear it, you can immediately increase the chances that the speaker is a right-wing nutjob conspiracy theorist.
[03:09:31] <guy_> Oh, I get your point - denialism
[03:09:27] <AzumaHazuki> common ideology?
[03:09:10] <guy_> so, why do they "provide security" at so many antifa riots?
[03:08:55] <AzumaHazuki> you are kind of missing the point here
[03:08:49] <AzumaHazuki> okay, and they would also differ with other people who call themselves antifa
[03:08:34] <requerdanos> "But I read on retardedcousins.com that it was a george soros plot!" yeah, okay.
[03:08:32] <guy_> https://www.redneckrevolt.org
[03:08:28] <guy_> these boys would differ with you
[03:08:23] <AzumaHazuki> the only way you know someone is antifa is if they say they're antifa, and what they mean by that may differ from what the next self-professed antifa person means
[03:07:35] <AzumaHazuki> antifa is an ideology, not a group. think 4chan Anonymous
[03:07:21] <guy_> antifa is an anarchist spinoff and it's real
[03:07:19] <AzumaHazuki> note also the company he keeps
[03:07:12] <AzumaHazuki> actions speak louder than words, and the action i see here was to go after Whitmer as opposed to, for example, DeSantis
[03:07:07] <guy_> utter nonsense
[03:06:56] <requerdanos> Some information: There is no "antifa" except as a conspiracy theory of the right-nutjobs
[03:06:40] <guy_> but, go ahead and eat up that mainstream media spin
[03:06:40] <AzumaHazuki> and see, THAT is an ad-hom
[03:06:36] <AzumaHazuki> let's see who he "makes common cause" with :) as someone i know says
[03:06:28] <guy_> if you had any information, it would surprise me
[03:06:00] <AzumaHazuki> what about it? he still went for Whitmer over Trump I notice. sounds like deflection to me. not enough information to hand here
[03:05:57] <guy_> these "kidnappers" are more akin to Antifa than to anything on the right
[03:05:51] <requerdanos> I tried to watch it but a fact-checker thing popped up over it
[03:05:15] <guy_> did you bother to watch the little video in which the "suspect" denounces the right, and Trump, and all the rest?
[03:05:04] <AzumaHazuki> :)
[03:05:02] <requerdanos> I see the difference you mention.
[03:04:42] <requerdanos> oh, okay.,
[03:04:39] <c0lo> @AzumaHazuki he's making free word association. Given 'Zumi, he continues with Lenin and Stalin.
[03:04:37] <AzumaHazuki> no, that was just an insult. he hasn't made an argument yet soooo :D
[03:04:34] <guy_> exactly
[03:04:22] <requerdanos> ad hom such as "take your meds and go to bed you fat old sack of crap. you're not equipped for this" ?
[03:04:11] <AzumaHazuki> learn what words mean, shithead
[03:04:04] <AzumaHazuki> it's a subset of ad hom
[03:04:01] <AzumaHazuki> ...no? tone-trolling means "attacking someone's tone instead of their argument"
[03:03:53] <guy_> men don't even hear those tones you dumb shit
[03:03:45] <guy_> so now you admit that it is you who is tone trolling
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[03:03:35] <A-J-O-T-D> This concludes our featured annoying Jew of today. Good night, and God bless.
[03:03:19] <AzumaHazuki> what the cinnamon-toast fuck do Lenin and Stalin have to do with you not liking my tone?
[03:03:15] <A-J-O-T-D> And while we're at it, stop pouring over your receipts after checkout and then shitting up the checkout line asking for a do-over because you got overcharged 10 cents and don't know how to read a fucking coupon.
[03:02:58] <guy_> Stalin was also correct I presume
[03:02:57] <AzumaHazuki> take your meds and go to bed you fat old sack of crap. you're not equipped for this
[03:02:49] <lld> c0lo: ? I wasn't paying attention to the screaming match, mostly chatting with requerdanos
[03:02:43] <AzumaHazuki> what the fuck does lenin have to do with this? what kind of alzheimer-induced non-sequitur is that?
[03:02:11] <requerdanos> I say that bitchy and condescending are not as nice as sweetness and light, but it's true that they don't affect the truth or falsity of what one is saying.
[03:01:58] <guy_> lenins was correct I suppose
[03:01:56] <c0lo> @lld at guy_'s "you're a bitter pointless woman, how could you have a point?" As for the GP, that's a story guy_ shared more than one year back.
[03:01:53] <AzumaHazuki> and if you don't want to be bitched at and condescended to...maaaaaybe stop being wrong?
[03:01:30] <AzumaHazuki> i may be bitchy and condescending but i'm also correct
[03:01:22] <AzumaHazuki> who says bitchy is wrong, and who says condescension is wrong? how do those things negate an argument?
[03:01:00] <guy_> bitch is wrong and condescencion is wrong - it's what you expect from a privileged white broad
[03:00:59] <A-J-O-T-D> Do your part and have some dignity: don't ruin traffic on a major thoroughfare because you are shameful enough to sit in an hour line to go 30 feet, all just to save 3 cents per gallon getting Costco gasoline.
[03:00:51] <requerdanos> argument is an intellectual process.
[03:00:34] <AzumaHazuki> toooooone-trolling, is not an arrrrrgument
[03:00:24] <AzumaHazuki> sure. but does that make me wrong? :)
[03:00:12] <guy_> so, you're a condescending bitch who pities someone you disagree with
[03:00:09] <AzumaHazuki> it'd be hilarious if it weren't tragic. and i may be developing a taste for dark humor
[03:00:04] * requerdanos suspects more clarification might come from sedbot
[02:59:56] <lld> what are the secondary effects? what are the after order effects?
[02:59:55] <AzumaHazuki> you reveal SO MUCH about yourself completely unintentionally with the things you say runaway
[02:59:45] <guy_> dafuq you even talking about c0lo ?
[02:59:32] <lld> requerdanos: yeah, for most parts I just want to say "slow down, don't rush things just because it looks obvious"
[02:59:29] <AzumaHazuki> but do continue
[02:59:25] <AzumaHazuki> i hate her policies. herself, personally? i just pity her a bit, but don't really know her enough to hate
[02:59:20] <c0lo> @guy_ and you are a bitter decrepit old man, how can you have a point? (how's that GP of your going, managed to find one yet?)
[02:59:06] <guy_> you hate her
[02:59:06] <A-J-O-T-D> They will turn 2 whole turn lanes and 30 feet of road into L.A. rush hour on the 405 just to save 3 cents per gallon for gas.
[02:58:44] <guy_> I'm cheering for the female USSC nominee
[02:58:40] <AzumaHazuki> please, keep going. expose yourself in real time, over and over and over again. you do my job for me so well
[02:58:32] <requerdanos> lld, looks like we mostly agree
[02:58:20] <A-J-O-T-D> They will sit in lines miles long shitting up traffic to save 3 cents per gallon on gas.
[02:58:18] <AzumaHazuki> man do you ever hate "uppity" women!
[02:58:17] <lld> and shouldn't be discounted simply because one of the effects is your intended goal
[02:58:11] <AzumaHazuki> :) i love it, runaway. you do my work for me!
[02:58:02] <A-J-O-T-D> Today's featured annoying Jew is the Costo Gas Jew
[02:58:01] <requerdanos> Seriously, none of you has ops?
[02:57:56] <guy_> you're a bitter pointless woman, how could you have a point?
[02:57:49] <lld> they too are effects
[02:57:48] <A-J-O-T-D> And now, it's time for our featured "Most Annoying Jew of the Day"
[02:57:45] <lld> and what are the effects of killing a few million people?
[02:57:34] <AzumaHazuki> but, thanks for proving my point :)
[02:57:32] <lld> so you killed rude people, how many more will you go?
[02:57:22] <AzumaHazuki> it does because of people who "think" like you
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[02:57:20] <requerdanos> Indeed so!
[02:57:15] <AzumaHazuki> ...non-sequitur. this place didn't HAVE to suck
[02:57:11] <lld> you need to also look at the other effects of your action, not just the intended result
[02:57:06] <c0lo> @lld if you think so, the nature will have some surprises for you
[02:57:00] <guy_> that from the "murica sucks" girl who is leaving it all behind
[02:56:58] <AzumaHazuki> i'm operating on an objectively higher level than you are. now that itself says nothing about the contant, but THAT also happens to be more closely aligned with observable reality than yours
[02:56:27] <requerdanos> Your measurement system sucks.
[02:56:24] <AzumaHazuki> happens to be true though :) compare our grammar, diction, sentence structure, etc
[02:56:07] <guy_> more nyah nyah nyah
[02:56:06] <requerdanos> However, I submit that killing people who are incivil is not a good process, despite its being better by your measurement
[02:56:01] <lld> c0lo: that's just playing musical chairs
[02:55:54] <AzumaHazuki> i have plenty intelligent to say. you refuse to comprehend it. and possibly can't comprehend some of it
[02:55:41] <requerdanos> Or I might decide: "I will kill all these assholes who say mean things." This will probably bring about more of the desired result.
[02:55:36] <c0lo> @lld there's no intended result, there's only "Can this process continue for long enough on the limited Earth that we live on?"
[02:55:29] <guy_> come back when you have something intelligent to say
[02:55:20] <requerdanos> I might decide: "I will say nice things." This will probably not do it.
[02:55:18] <guy_> nyah nyah nyah
[02:55:04] <AzumaHazuki> that's what you choose to hear
[02:55:03] <requerdanos> Let's say my intended result is that we hear fewer mean things, and here more nice things.
[02:54:50] <guy_> What I hear from the left is "We have truth on our side, we don't need no steenkin facts"
[02:54:30] <lld> a good process is harder to come by, a process that does produce the intended result
[02:54:12] <requerdanos> Thank you sedbot. It's suddenly much clearer.
[02:54:09] * AzumaHazuki will continue being "a tiresome bitch," can keep it up (heh) longer than runaway can
[02:53:59] <lld> that makes it a bad process, it doesn't even do what it was set out to do
[02:53:51] <SedBot> <c0lo> @guy_ "that's what I hear from the left - the ends justifies the means" - age damages hearing and comprehention, we all know that
[02:53:51] <c0lo> s/damage/damages/
[02:53:50] <AzumaHazuki> that's what he CHOOSES to hear
[02:53:34] <c0lo> @guy_ "that's what I hear from the left - the ends justifies the means" - age damage hearing and comprehention, we all know that
[02:53:34] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Whitmer, Media Caught in Another Lie - Anarchist Arrested For Plot to Kidnap and Kill Whitmer Hates President Trump, 'Trump is a Tyrant' (VIDEO)
[02:53:33] <guy_> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[02:53:27] <guy_> watch the fucking video and stop pretending these fools are "right wing"
[02:53:13] <AzumaHazuki> so cry harder. if you can't stand it, leave
[02:53:13] <requerdanos> There are good processes that don't produce the desired ends.
[02:53:04] <AzumaHazuki> but that doesn't make me wrong :) and look what you've been reduced to! "I don't like you" is not an argument
[02:52:45] <lld> requerdanos: of course, but if the process often produces different ends than intended, it is not a good process
[02:52:42] <guy_> symmetry be damned, you're a tiresome bitch
[02:52:29] <AzumaHazuki> reality gets in the way
[02:52:26] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Whitmer, Media Caught in Another Lie - Anarchist Arrested For Plot to Kidnap and Kill Whitmer Hates President Trump, 'Trump is a Tyrant' (VIDEO)
[02:52:25] <guy_> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[02:52:22] <AzumaHazuki> sorry, but insults like that aren't symmetric. they don't work equally well in both directions
[02:52:02] <guy_> you are just one tiresome bitch zumi - you can't learn because you won't learn
[02:51:46] <lld> the road to hell is also paved with good intentions, I am also sick of psychopaths making use of unintended consequences and failures to gain
[02:51:41] <requerdanos> The means should preferably produce ends, but it's not a requirement. saying "I will do wrong because I think the chances of forcing an outcome by doing right are small" is itself wrong
[02:51:35] <AzumaHazuki> you are so full of shit, runaway. you're not even a liar. if the liar is truth's rapist, the bullshitter is truth's impotent, morbidly-obese, 80 IQ pimp, unable even to appreciate the truth for what it is
[02:50:47] <lld> since the ends justifies it
[02:50:42] <lld> that means the most cruel and evil acts are mandatory and obligated
[02:50:35] <AzumaHazuki> i worry about both equally. the ends do not justify the means, but the means also have to produce ends. the key is keeping it all moral
[02:50:34] <guy_> that's what I hear from the left - the ends justifies the means
[02:50:14] <lld> anyone that tells you the end result justifies the means is just a mad man
[02:50:10] <requerdanos> What of it remains, I wish to retain.
[02:50:00] <requerdanos> This is a coping skill to help me hold onto my sanity.
[02:49:57] <lld> requerdanos: very much so
[02:49:42] <requerdanos> I worry, in short, about the process, moreso than the outcome
[02:49:41] <AzumaHazuki> it's because the kind of attitude necessary to do this is a positive feedback loop to begin with. it accelerates and reinforces itself
[02:49:27] <requerdanos> I worry about, did I do whatever was right/did I do what I could, not, did I bring about the outcome I would have preferred to see.
[02:49:18] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[02:49:17] <guy_> https://twitter.com
[02:49:02] <requerdanos> Ah! There's the rub. worth bothering with.
[02:48:45] <AzumaHazuki> well, it's a probabilistic thing for me...think "this line represents a place where the chances of ever crossing back over are so low as not to be worth bothering with"
[02:48:44] <lld> what what truly motivates determines what kind of anarchist they are
[02:48:08] <requerdanos> We probably disagree about where the line is, though.
[02:48:06] <lld> yes, they are the definition of anarchist
[02:48:04] <guy_> most assuredly in Seattle
[02:47:45] <guy_> anarchists are the people revolting in Portland and Seattle -
[02:47:36] <requerdanos> I am sure there are one-way barriers, sure.
[02:47:26] <AzumaHazuki> keep flapping your fat foodsucker, runaway. you do yourself more damage than i could ever, ever do to you
[02:47:04] <lld> so yeah, that's my view of a "right wing anarchists", they're just anarchists that envy the state, but can't bring themselves to admit it
[02:46:59] <guy_> the border is just a few hundred yards away, make a run for it lol
[02:46:55] <AzumaHazuki> when you not only throw your human card in the incinerator, but laugh while doing it, and go "take that, libs!" while doing it, you have crossed a one-way barrier
[02:46:30] <requerdanos> There are points of unlikely return. Not quite the same, though.
[02:46:12] <AzumaHazuki> ...these people do not, because they will not. there are points of no return
[02:45:48] <requerdanos> Ah, but everyone learns by centimeters, every day
[02:45:26] <requerdanos> instead of "Sorry, didn't realize you were a moron"
[02:45:14] <AzumaHazuki> the people who most need that example are never, ever going to learn from it. they laugh at us when we take the high road. so fuck that and fuck them
[02:45:11] <guy_> you should do some self examination
[02:45:09] <requerdanos> so I say "Gee, I am sure you could understand it if you applied basic vocabulary skills."
[02:44:57] <guy_> who slings shit first, always and forever 'zumi
[02:44:49] <requerdanos> I control the tone of my conversation, and set an example for others.
[02:44:36] <AzumaHazuki> this is also why i don't do "nice." i am sick and tired of that sneering bullshit
[02:44:19] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: forget "nice." Tone trolling is how dishonest ambulatory compost piles like runaway try to shut down opposition. it's a sociopathic gambit because it implicitly relies on your opponent's morals stopping them from getting the message across effectively
[02:43:30] <lld> so stupid that Orwell decided to write 1984
[02:43:06] <lld> the spanish civil war: the most headbangingly stupid revolution, direction wise
[02:42:53] <AzumaHazuki> ...and, good lord, if you think "muff-diver" is an insult no wonder your wife left you. straight men would have much happier relationships if they made love like gay women
[02:42:28] <c0lo> most of the "knowledge workers" fall in the libertarian-left.
[02:42:20] <AzumaHazuki> think GPL vs BSD here. the fewest restrictions up front does NOT necessarily result in the most freedom for the most people most of the time
[02:42:20] <lld> by the time the war nearly ended, the anarchists started to side with the fascists, and were put out like the communists after
[02:42:03] <guy_> and you're a muff diving moron, nyah nyah nyah
[02:41:57] <requerdanos> I was trying to say that a nicer way
[02:41:40] <AzumaHazuki> no it wasn't, you're just a fucking moron
[02:41:31] <guy_> that was an empty bag of verbal garbage 'zumi
[02:41:03] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: same here. "left libertarian in exile." I want the law to be as simple as possible but no simpler, and if that means it has to be somewhat complex to handle reality, so be it
[02:40:55] <guy_> not far from center on either axis
[02:40:51] <lld> and unironically selling the machinery to the state and no longer owning the means of production when short on money
[02:40:48] <requerdanos> So you are in the red, and I am in the green. That also makes sense.
[02:40:28] <guy_> I'm left wing authoritarian
[02:40:23] <lld> the socialist workers on the other hand, grabbed the factory machinary from their owners to start their own worker's collective
[02:40:17] <guy_> we live close together on the compass requerdanos
[02:39:46] <lld> it didn't
[02:39:45] <requerdanos> political compass puts me left-leaning libertarian. not super surprising.
[02:39:40] <c0lo> @lld that can't last long
[02:39:02] <lld> on punishment of exile
[02:38:49] <lld> coops that prohibit anyone from trading with outsiders
[02:38:28] <lld> the anarchists oth, setup coops
[02:38:28] <AzumaHazuki> what's wrong runaway, annoyed he's not taking your side immediately so you're going to start needling him now?
[02:38:18] <lld> guy_: more like I can't find any word to describe
[02:37:55] <guy_> c0lo i think lld is constipated so he feels the need for a movement
[02:37:50] <lld> for cold hard currency
[02:37:46] <lld> and confiscate the output to sell on the international market
[02:37:33] <lld> the communists consolidated all the workers and factories for "efficiency"
[02:37:05] <AzumaHazuki> or the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea
[02:36:53] <AzumaHazuki> ah, so a bunch of lying liars who lie in order to push their real agenda. kinda like the National "Socialists"
[02:36:51] <requerdanos> just sounds lukewarm.
[02:36:39] <lld> sounds oxymoron, until you see what they tried to do
[02:36:21] <lld> requerdanos: the most capitalist communism and the most statist anarchists
[02:36:14] <guy_> that's not a militia
[02:36:13] <requerdanos> How the Spanish civil war fits in, I honestly and candidly admit I don't see
[02:36:09] <guy_> they were going to buy their explosives from the FBI agent?
[02:35:59] <AzumaHazuki> and they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids and their talking dog
[02:35:47] <lld> guy_: the closest I see is the kind of crazy the spanish civil war brought on
[02:35:45] <guy_> most likely these six weren't smart enough to join any militia
[02:35:39] <AzumaHazuki> of course. i should have known
[02:35:25] <requerdanos> ah! it's secretly a left wing bunch of civil war nutjobs who want to kidnap the democratic governor of michigan. Much more likely
[02:35:22] <guy_> This looks like the same kind of sting
[02:35:13] <guy_> remember the Muslims who were setup in an FBI sting in New York?
[02:34:50] <guy_> azumahazuki - that "right wing militia" isn't passing the smell test
[02:31:35] <lld> political compass tells me I am a mild conservative, but who knows
[02:31:14] <lld> I can't find where I am even close to
[02:31:04] <c0lo> @lld try this: https://www.politicalcompass.org
[02:30:51] <c0lo> @lld why do you feel the need to subscribe to a movement? Aren't you just enough for yourself?
[02:29:15] <lld> everyone is crazy
[02:29:09] <lld> I don't even know what movement I subscribe to anymore
[02:27:51] <lld> basically statism envy
[02:26:37] <lld> I suppose its the spanish civilwar kind of anarchist
[02:24:50] <c0lo> @lld try this https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:19:26] <systemd> ^ 037 Inappropriate Moments James Bond Wouldn't Get Away With Now
[02:19:24] <c0lo> (hmmm... what the heck? Let's try) Morals over time in pop culture: https://www.youtube.com
[02:11:09] <lld> just so sick of the news putting in unrelated words together and leading you to the conclusion
[02:09:57] <lld> I suppose rightwing anarchists can be possible
[02:09:45] <lld> aren't those anarchists?
[01:32:53] <AzumaHazuki> to hold the positions most right-wingers in the US do requires moral insanity, i.e., a psychotic break with observable facts about human nature and society
[01:31:53] <requerdanos> I was somewhat impressed by the 'morally insane' description
[01:31:22] <AzumaHazuki> IMO they are mostly tripped up by some variant of the Just World Fallacy, combined with a severe lack of both imagination and ability to think ahead
[01:30:39] <AzumaHazuki> also, they have likely been lied to about what the positions they supposedly hold actually mean...or logically converge on when taken to their conclusions in the real world
[01:30:07] <AzumaHazuki> many of them are just ignorant
[01:29:54] <AzumaHazuki> the ones who hold economic ones, yes
[01:28:18] <requerdanos> Are there any people with right-tending positions who are simply honest people who disagree with opposing views?
[01:27:38] <AzumaHazuki> now, basically all rightwingers are dangerously insane, but most are also too weak-willed to do anything but armchair-general
[01:27:25] <requerdanos> Ah, your point is well taken.
[01:27:10] <AzumaHazuki> oh, no, i wasn't saying ALL right-wingers are nuts. Just that someone is trying to start a civil war and it ain't the people carny's accusing :)
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[01:24:20] <requerdanos> ah, I've seen this one. "Because this one group of right-wingers is dangerously insane, all right wingers are dangerously insane?"
[01:23:22] <AzumaHazuki> come on, spin your way out of this one you lying sack of hell
[01:22:56] <AzumaHazuki> look at this bunch of lefti--er...hm...
[01:22:53] <systemd> ^ 03FBI charges six who it says plotted to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, as seven more who wanted to ignite civil war face state charges
[01:22:42] <AzumaHazuki> hey carny, you were saying something about starting a civil war? https://www.washingtonpost.com
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