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[00:00:56] <systemd> ^ 03Thread by @COsweda on Thread Reader App
[00:01:42] <AzumaHazuki> pretty much every single one of those links, just by name alone, is steering me toward "no, no he has not."
[00:02:28] <driveby> lol
[00:02:41] <driveby> https://www.bbc.co.uk :)))
[00:02:45] <systemd> ^ 03Trump sued for fraud by niece Mary
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[00:39:02] <driveby> https://www.npr.org
[00:39:03] <systemd> ^ 03Report: Satellite Images Reveal Suspected Detention Sites In China's Xinjiang Region
[00:40:04] <lld> needs more camo netting
[00:42:12] <driveby> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[00:42:14] <systemd> ^ 03Finchley rapist attacked woman a week after arriving in UK
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[00:54:00] <AzumaHazuki> kheeee-rist. wine wants me to recompile big piece of the system with abi_x86_32. this quite literally doubles compile time for things like llvm. it takes almost an hour now vs <30min
[00:54:40] <AzumaHazuki> any big updates are going to get done overnight from here on
[01:34:52] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I'm starting to wonder if you might have some kind of messed up dependency in there. No first-hand experience, mind you, you is sure has that "code smell" about it. Also, if you are running into this, there's a fair chance that someone else has, too. Might may to take a quick couple of searches to see if someone else has run into this, and what they did.
[01:35:36] <AzumaHazuki> this seems to be normal from what i've read...it makes sense, too, since you need to compile two sets of binaries, one for each uarch/abi
[01:36:11] <Bytram> will you need *both* of those abi's in order to run stuff, though?
[01:36:22] <AzumaHazuki> for the specific packages Wine depends on, yes
[01:36:35] <AzumaHazuki> i haven't set this system-wide, I'm not that big a masochist
[01:37:07] <Bytram> ahh, okay. So, wine is built on stuff that requires, umm, "the world", so you need to build it, too?
[01:37:36] <Bytram> "it" being that whole mess of a dependency tree
[01:38:18] <lld> wine needs 32bit userspace to run 32bit windows programs
[01:38:29] <lld> there is no thunking yet
[01:38:54] <lld> 32bit Linux userspace is mostly just there otherwise
[01:39:06] <AzumaHazuki> ^ this. i could probably cut down the use flag set even more than i did here, but am choosing to compile in a few things i may not need
[01:39:45] <Bytram> lld: okaaay, that makes some kind of sense to me now. thanks1
[01:39:58] <AzumaHazuki> this is still going to end up a waaaaay leaner build than the usual "everything including the kitchen sink" ones binary distros have, by necessity, to provide
[01:40:21] <Bytram> I guess nobody thunk to do that, yet? ;^)
[01:40:28] * guy_ points out that an hour compile time is incredible, considering it used to take days
[01:40:31] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: nod nod
[01:41:16] <AzumaHazuki> linux has gotten a lot more complicated since i started using it back in 2004. Much more versatile though. now if only GTK hadn't gone bugshit nuts...
[01:41:28] <Bytram> guy_: and that was after spending days to download disk images over dial-up, uphill, both ways, in a blizzard! Right?
[01:41:44] <Bytram> ;)
[01:41:54] <AzumaHazuki> i remember when the gnome-light metapackage took 45 minutes. On a single-core Pentium-M 1.3 GHz
[01:41:58] <guy_> Uh-huh - toook six days to download my first ISO, I shit you not
[01:42:37] <Bytram> and, of course, there was always that one time someone picked up the phone to make a call and blew up the download.
[01:42:54] * AzumaHazuki feels her blood pressure spike a bit, reading that...
[01:43:05] <guy_> And, that was precisely when I learned to FTP instead of relying on some download manager
[01:43:35] * Bytram tried to remember the protocol that was more tolerant of that kind of.... impediment. kemit? ymodem?
[01:44:12] * guy_ doesn't know
[01:45:25] <Bytram> I was slow in trying to play with linux... but spent plenty enough time on-line -- had two phone lines at one time. One dedicated to dial-up, other for voice calls.
[01:46:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - YouTube: Copyright Lawsuit Plaintiff Uploaded Own Movies Then Claimed Mass Infringement - https://sylnt.us - painted-into-a-corner
[01:46:25] <Bytram> IIRC, I had a 286 w/ 2 MB RAM. 10 MHz with one wait state, or 12 MHz with two wait states...
[01:46:34] <Bytram> =g Procomm Plus
[01:46:35] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Procomm Plus - Wikipedia
[01:46:43] <guy_> My first online days were 56k modems, and only after we got a local dialup ISP
[01:46:53] <Bytram> Yes! I think that was it.
[01:47:16] <Bytram> oh, and an amber monitor with a Hercules-compatible card.
[01:49:11] <Bytram> my first modem that I bought was 1200 baud (ZoomModem), but I actually started in middle school with a teletype, acoustic couple, rotary dial phone to connect to the high school's PDP/8/
[01:49:23] <AzumaHazuki> i actually didn't get online until 2001 if you can believe that...
[01:49:25] <Bytram> s/couple/coupler/
[01:49:53] <AzumaHazuki> had one king hell mountain of a ramp though! from "never online" to "gentoo as first linux" within 3 years
[01:49:54] <Bytram> that's okay, you can play on my lawn. ;)
[01:50:05] <Bytram> yowza
[01:50:25] * Bytram would type in games from a book:
[01:50:34] <Bytram> =g 101 computer games
[01:50:35] <systemd> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com - 101 BASIC Computer Games
[01:51:26] <AzumaHazuki> i've always been the sort to just jump in at the deep end and learn. that's also how i went from "hey, I can read the labels on the back of the aspirin bottle, hire me" to PTCB-certified in like a year
[01:52:37] <Bytram> that's impressive.
[01:52:47] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: pm?
[01:52:58] <AzumaHazuki> sure
[02:32:19] <lld> Bytram: thunking between different code models is hard, since the CPU needs to switch modes
[02:32:51] <lld> even on Windows, for every 32bit thread, there is a shadow 64bit thread that goes live every time a thunk happens
[02:33:23] <lld> an interrupt is fired to kick it into action, and move the data to the 64bit kernel end
[02:33:49] <lld> code that runs completely in userspace might not do anything like that
[02:34:20] <lld> sooner or later, that code is going to write to a file, or make a network socket
[02:36:52] <Bytram> that makes sense. FWIW, in the early 80's I worked at IBM and did testing of their VM operating system. Real memory, virtual memory, scheduler, dispatcher, etc.
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[03:11:14] <AzumaHazuki> classy as a long, wet beer fart in the Louvre
[03:27:34] <requerdanos> trolling a tiny crowd of--hexchat is saying 53 people here--seems hardly worth the effort.
[03:28:53] <requerdanos> How many are undecided voters? Of those, how many will swoon to the appeal of such junk?
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[03:45:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Needs Your Help to Expose YouTube’s Recommendation Algorithm - https://sylnt.us - sudden-exposure
[04:55:55] <AzumaHazuki> fucking finally done compiling wine and its deps
[04:56:58] <chromas> Now you've gotta start on the latest version that just came out :D
[04:57:17] <AzumaHazuki> nah, i've got stable wine-vanilla 5.0.1
[04:57:33] <AzumaHazuki> it's for an ancient program called super jukebox i remember using on win98
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[05:57:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DOJ Unveils Trump Administration's Legislation to Reform Tech's Legal Liability Shield - https://sylnt.us - whittling-away
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[08:07:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Bans New Internal Combustion Engines, Starting in 2035 - https://sylnt.us - extra-carb-compliant
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[10:16:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - James Bond Villain Michael Lonsdale Dead at 89 - https://sylnt.us - R.I.P.
[10:37:05] <FatPhil> Overheard from a table on the square: 'I'd reccommend the chicken. It's the safe meat in Estonia'
[10:39:19] <FatPhil> Tales from the Loop absolutely antirecommended. It's just sci-fi 5 minute shorts stretched out to be an hour long. And not using any of that extra 50 minutes to provide explanations for the woo-woo, which is forgivable in shorts.
[11:34:19] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[11:34:19] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[11:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:34:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5354
[12:28:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MoonRanger Robotic Rover Will Seek out Water on the Moon - https://sylnt.us
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[14:31:07] <FatPhil> Woowoo! I live in a "hellhole" - I'm so happy! https://www.youtube.com
[14:31:09] <systemd> ^ 03FragerU - The Left VS The Right
[14:37:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ARM Announces Neoverse V1 and N2 Cores - https://sylnt.us - poetry-from-the-Matrix?
[15:42:28] <guy_> Isn't this just spam?
[15:42:31] <guy_> https://soylentnews.org
[15:42:32] <systemd> ^ 03streamwise: SoylentNews Submission
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[16:15:14] <FatPhil> guy_: is that one of your 500 US internal political affairs subs?
[16:15:29] <FatPhil> in that case, yeah, probably could be considered spam.
[16:56:02] <FatPhil> Did khallow fall out of his highchair and bang his head while eating his oatmeal? He's gone megaderp in the last few days.
[16:57:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ancient Persians were Making "20th-Century" Chromium Steel 900 Years Ago - https://sylnt.us - Shiny!
[17:06:37] <AzumaHazuki> he's just been backed into a corner, FatPhil
[17:06:54] <AzumaHazuki> that is, topics have come up that directly force him to double down on his selfish sociopathic bullshit and he's getting cagey
[17:08:12] <AzumaHazuki> not ashamed of course, because as a probable sociopath, he lacks the physical wiring to feel prosocial emotions. but he's upset and annoyed and angry that all of us stupid, weak, emotional normies are all up in his grill
[17:09:22] <FatPhil> I've almost always disagreed with him, but have been able to have an adult discussion with him historically. However, he seems to be deliberately misinterpretting and misunderstanding *really simple things* in utterly bizarre ways now.
[17:10:26] <AzumaHazuki> he's backed into a corner, like i said. he sold his soul, lost his humanity in a slow drip, and now all he has is that base sociopathy
[17:11:16] <AzumaHazuki> some people were always this way. i think others become this way over time due to bad influences and personal weakness--Runaway, Phoenix666, Sulla. Hallow, Buzztard, Entropy, and jmorris IMO are born sociopaths though
[17:16:13] <FatPhil> that's what the bozo bin's for
[17:17:45] <AzumaHazuki> the what now?
[17:46:29] <FatPhil> bozo bin = killfile, so basically the foe list and a good solid will-never-see-em down-weighting of foes in your settings.
[17:47:33] <AzumaHazuki> seems a little counterproductive. if you don't see these people they get to spread their poison unopposed
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[19:06:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Launches "Elkhart Lake" Embedded Atom CPUs: x86 With ARM Cortex-M7 - https://sylnt.us - put-two-atoms-together-to-make-a-molecule
[20:33:48] <FatPhil> Commenting code's hard...
[20:33:49] <FatPhil> # This finds the widget or widgets to to which to apply a particular
[20:33:52] <FatPhil> # configure option
[20:34:05] <FatPhil> nearly got stuck in a loop reading that
[20:39:59] <halibut> Please re-read the last two lines and do what they say.
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[21:16:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nikola Stock Plunges 26% after Fraud Claims Complicate Hydrogen Plans - https://sylnt.us - trust-us
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[23:18:54] <guy_> Huh - Starchy has made a submission that borders on both readable and rational
[23:19:02] <guy_> Think he took his meds today?
[23:20:08] <guy_> meanwhile - looking at images of Barrett - she used to be pretty
[23:20:17] <guy_> then she went kinda plain
[23:20:55] <guy_> most recent photos bear a similarity to Pelosi
[23:21:20] <guy_> I hope that doesn't continue
[23:21:29] <requerdanos> hello. welcome to the discussion.
[23:21:42] <guy_> NO NO, not me!
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[23:24:56] <driveby> https://thuletide.wordpress.com
[23:24:57] <systemd> ^ 03Groundbreaking New Study Proves that Vikings were actually Racially Diverse Liberal Progressives.
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[23:25:17] <guy_> hey Ethanol
[23:25:19] <Hua-Wah-Wah> Here's another interesting true story that you probably won't believe
[23:25:26] <Hua-Wah-Wah> Yo wuddup
[23:25:33] <guy_> we don't believe
[23:25:49] <guy_> does it have Jews in it?
[23:26:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Offers its Untested COVID-19 Vaccine for Free to UN Officials - https://sylnt.us - Would-you-try-it?
[23:26:23] <Hua-Wah-Wah> Part of the reason why I'm no longer working for Boston Dynamics is because I inadvertently (almot) sabotaged a contract between Huawei and Boston Dynamics.
[23:26:41] <requerdanos> hello. As I was just saying, welcome to the discussion.
[23:26:51] <guy_> Were the Chinese really Jews in disguise?
[23:27:04] <Hua-Wah-Wah> guy_ : Jews were involved, as they are always at the top whenever somebody gets bought out by a Private Equity firm. Jews are the boardmembers and primary stakeholders.
[23:27:21] <guy_> I knew it - EF never has a story without Jews
[23:28:37] <Hua-Wah-Wah> Hwawei wanted data from an experiment I was running. I realized that there was no way in fuck that they were going to get the data they wanted because managers had lied to Hwawei's managers about certain product characteristics.
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[23:29:12] <Hua-Wah-Wah> It was also then that I realized why they had promoted me months before we negotiated my resignation: I was to be their fall guy
[23:29:23] <Hua-Wah-Wah> High risk, high reward job.
[23:29:52] <guy_> It's good to know that EF will fall on his sword when the time is dramatically correct
[23:29:56] <requerdanos> As ever, please try to have a net-positive contribution level.
[23:30:10] <guy_> or grammatically correct
[23:30:24] <requerdanos> I dunno, that's probably less importanter.
[23:30:52] <guy_> I'm on the edge of my seat here EF, don't stop now!
[23:30:55] <Hua-Wah-Wah> I wasn't too keen on giving technology with stealth applications to the Chinks. But no laws were being broken so I continued with the experiment. For technical reasons I will not explain, it became apparant that they wanted some good data, and no laws of physics were going to get them good data with the products in question.
[23:32:09] * guy_ yawns
[23:32:09] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into guy_'s gaping mouth
[23:32:40] <Hua-Wah-Wah> So I did what any red-blooded American would do in that situation: Conducted the experiment anyway, waited until the deadline, and then called out sick for a week.
[23:33:37] <Hua-Wah-Wah> I'm sure Hwawei got the data they wanted, eventually. But I'm not going to be a part of that fucking nonsense.
[23:33:43] <guy_> Well, there goes the story of heroism . . . .
[23:34:16] <requerdanos> As part of "assume good faith" I am going to assume that this story gets better.
[23:34:30] * guy_ goes back to old copies of Captain America comics
[23:37:33] <guy_> https://www.youtube.com
[23:37:35] <systemd> ^ 03Bonnie Tyler - Holding Out For A Hero (Video)
[23:38:12] <Hua-Wah-Wah> The story does continue but the rest is kinda mundane. Needless to say, shortly after my resignation I got both coronavirus and full state unemployment.
[23:39:05] <guy_> Did the Lone Ranger get unemployment between gigs?
[23:39:06] <Hua-Wah-Wah> The rona lasted a month or two, but it was weird because there were no symptoms during the day...then at night time extreme fever/stiffness and soreness
[23:39:24] <guy_> sounds more like malaria than corona
[23:39:37] <Hua-Wah-Wah> harfing up balls of yellow and grey custard
[23:40:51] <guy_> Ahhh, here comes the guy in white, riding a white horse, everything gonna be good now
[23:41:15] <Hua-Wah-Wah> guy_ you sound like a poorly-trained GPT2 bot.
[23:41:37] * guy_ feels an angel sliding up to me
[23:42:03] <FatPhil> "J'ai pete tous" as they say in france
[23:42:18] <FatPhil> plus accents, but I don't do accents, because ASCII forever
[23:42:22] <Hua-Wah-Wah> There's no happy ending to the story. I've been sitting on my ass looking for jobs and shitposting on every forum that hasn't kicked my off yet.
[23:42:54] <Hua-Wah-Wah> People are pretending to be hiring, but everybody's waiting until later this year to actually made the decision whether or not to hire
[23:43:23] <Hua-Wah-Wah> My body killed off the rona earlier this year and symptoms have disappeared entirely.
[23:43:24] <requerdanos> local fast food place is advertising "$300 sign on bonus" on their sign
[23:43:32] <guy_> nothing good is going to happen on the hiring scene til next year - but I can't be assed to care anymore
[23:44:23] <Hua-Wah-Wah> requerdanos - I tried that during desperate times. They won't give you the time of day unless you both know spanish and have a shitty resume with fast food experience.
[23:44:27] <Hua-Wah-Wah> agreed, guy_
[23:45:12] <requerdanos> My spanish sucks and I have not worked for a restaurant for many years.
[23:46:57] * guy_ wonders if you can get health certificate after COVID-19
[23:49:02] <Hua-Wah-Wah> guy_ they have to know that you had it if they want to certify you having it
[23:49:24] <Hua-Wah-Wah> unless you died in a meth lab explosion. Then the coroner will notate that you died of complications from COVID-19 infection
[23:50:11] <guy_> That's my question though
[23:50:18] <Hua-Wah-Wah> anyway, I'm off. Possibly to return later for some shite-posting.
[23:50:49] <guy_> If I DID die in a meth lab explosion, and if I were certified as COVID positive, then I came back to life, could I get a health cert to work at McDonald?
[23:51:50] <Hua-Wah-Wah> Oh by the way, I posted this all because I just read the article about Hwawei building burning. The most likely cause is lax Chinese standards, but I could see a big fire starting if they were trying to roll certain chemicals used for their applications.
[23:52:44] <Hua-Wah-Wah> There are chemicals used in those applications that are like magnesium except that they can light on fire due to shock and light vaccuum pressure.
[23:53:01] <guy_> faxinating
[23:53:10] <Hua-Wah-Wah> And like magnesium, once they get lit, you ain't stoppin' it until it stops itself and exhausts its fuel.
[23:54:18] <Hua-Wah-Wah> And put into the hands of corner-cutting Chinamen, you have accidents like these waiting to happen.
[23:56:08] <FatPhil> Humans are expendable
[23:56:19] <FatPhil> ship in the next batch
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[23:57:08] <guy_> his story still needs more Jews, or it's just not an EF story
[23:58:51] <FatPhil> The tone was just to gentile?
[23:58:56] <FatPhil> too
[23:58:58] <FatPhil> dammit
[23:59:18] <FatPhil> reminder to self, charge the AAAs and drop fewer characters
[23:59:24] <guy_> when EF gets gentrified, things are really going downhill