#soylent | Logs for 2020-07-01

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[00:00:06] <Bytram> halibut++ Why had I never heard of "Wat" before? That was hilarious!!
[00:00:06] <Bender> karma - halibut: 3
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[00:17:37] <AzumaHazuki> so. some absolute galaxy-brained senior citizen came into the pharmacy not wearing a face cover. when i asked him if he had a mask, he held up a bandana. didn't put it on, mind, just held it up
[00:17:49] <AzumaHazuki> like...some kind of corona-repelling lucky rabbit's foot or something
[00:19:16] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[01:36:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mercury and Algal Blooms Poisoned Maya Reservoirs at Tikal - https://sylnt.us - science-and-history
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[02:54:38] <chromas> "As an example, the Internet was built on top of the Linux operating system and the Apache web server application, both open source softwares. On top of that, TCP/IP was created through open source, proving that the Internet not only adopted open source technology but was largely successful because it was built on an open source protocol. The wisdom of the crowd came together in the ’80s to iterate and improve upon a technology to make
[02:54:38] <chromas> it best in class."
[02:54:46] <chromas> I learned something today. Thanks Intuit!
[03:09:48] <Bytram> chromas: Are you serious? *Maybe* Unix was around when DARPA funded DARPANET which ultimately became what we know as the internet, and which was based on the OSI's 7 layers, from which we've come to see developed TCP/IP, but Linux had NO part in it that I am aware of.
[03:17:16] <Bytram> The "web" (World Wide Web) came from Tim Berners-Lee who was working at CERN at the time. It was built to make use of TCP/IP and from which HTTP (Hyper Text Transfer Protocol) was originated (based on SGML - Standard Generalized Markup Language), and only after *that* was in place did Apache have a chance to get *started*.
[03:18:35] <Bytram> Now it's late, and I'm tired and this stuff was a long time ago, but I suspect my recollection is closer to reality that what you quoted above.
[03:18:54] <Bytram> and, with that, is time to get some sleep.
[03:19:04] <Bytram> have a good night everybody!
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[03:41:28] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[03:41:30] <exec> └─ 13YouTube
[03:41:30] <systemd> ^ 03Spider vs Penis (Priapism) - Smarter Every Day 98
[03:46:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Vaccine Targeting Aged Cells Mitigates Metabolic Disorders in Obese Mice - https://sylnt.us - Mitigating-Marginal-Mouse-Metabolism
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[05:45:07] <SoyCow7704> We are under attack from Bolsheviks.
[05:46:43] <SoyCow7704> If you wish to enjoy this country how it was, dispel the negative effects from the two-percent.
[05:48:25] <SoyCow7704> The Catholics and General Flynn have implicated the two-percent.
[05:49:25] <SoyCow7704> The Chinese and their useful narco-buddies South of the border are smuggling drugs, money, weapons
[05:51:51] <SoyCow7704> Now I will shit on you. China! I SUMMON YOUR POWER!
[05:52:07] <SoyCow7704> *Shit flies all over the city streets*
[05:52:28] <SoyCow7704> HAHAHAHA,
[05:53:25] <SoyCow7704> You all are dum-dum dodos
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[05:56:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Embarrassingly Apple's Two-Tear Old ARM Chip Benchmarks Faster Than Microsoft's Surface Pro X - https://sylnt.us - oldie-but-goodie
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[07:27:00] <inz> FatPhil, your yesterday's operator precedence dilemma has its own subsection on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org
[07:27:01] <systemd> ^ 03Order of operations - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[07:27:01] <exec> └─ 13400 Bad Request
[07:43:48] <boru> Wikipedia. Feh!
[07:56:23] <inz> Should it be written Wikipædia?-)
[08:08:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Passes Hong Kong Security Law - https://sylnt.us - security-for-whom?
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[08:34:38] <FatPhil> chromas: Waiting for Destin to do one about diarrhoea titled "sharter every day"
[08:36:19] <chromas> FatPhil++
[08:36:19] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 68
[08:38:57] <boru> He seems like a nice chap. I enjoy watching his videos.
[09:18:03] <FatPhil> He does. There was a patch where they got a bit samey, so I stopped watching them. I don't think I was learning anything from them, but they were cool.
[09:20:22] <boru> Yeah, I suppose. Some of them were a bit dragged out as well.
[09:21:07] <boru> Ben Eater and Vsauce are good also. Pootube is largely an utter waste of bandwidth, but there is the occasional good content on there.
[09:21:19] <boru> I like the Royal Institute stuff as well.
[09:28:42] <FatPhil> I don't know Ben Eater. Vsauce pretty good - did you see his long-form series? RI can be good too.
[09:28:55] <boru> I still haven't watched it, no.
[09:29:06] <FatPhil> I fucking hate Numberphile though. Seeing physicists butcher mathematics is painful.
[09:29:21] <boru> Ben Eater builds computers on breadboards, that sort of thing. His recent series was building and programming a 6502.
[09:29:35] <boru> I mean, nothing new for me to learn there, but it's a cool project.
[09:30:06] <boru> Yeah, numberphile had a lot of potential, but I can't stand the guy presenting it, and yeah, they make a pig's ear of some of it.
[09:30:06] <FatPhil> The best breadboard project was the 1-cycle-per-day computer
[09:30:34] <FatPhil> not sure if that was on youtube or just hackaday
[09:30:55] <FatPhil> its clock signal was the sun
[09:30:56] <boru> No idea. I think hackaday is terrible as well.
[09:31:44] <chromas> Especially in the comments. That's probably true everywhere though
[09:47:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Embarrassingly Apple's Two-Year Old ARM Chip Benchmarks Faster Than Microsoft's Surface Pro X - https://sylnt.us - oldie-but-goodie
[09:52:56] <boru> Indeed.
[09:53:06] <boru> The September that never ended.
[09:53:19] <boru> It's a shame stupidfilter never went anywhere.
[09:53:51] <boru> Or some sort of IP based eugenics protocol.
[09:54:14] <boru> Perhaps idiots could be chemically castrated electrically via the Internet.
[09:54:48] * boru goes to write an RFC.
[09:55:39] <chromas> !grab boru
[09:55:40] <Bender> Added quote 971
[10:18:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Foreign Adversaries Likely to Exploit Critical Networking Bug, US Says - https://sylnt.us - hole-plugging
[10:41:16] <FatPhil> "The coin shortage because of CoViD-19".
[10:41:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:41:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5292
[10:47:46] <chromas> https://www.sciencedirect.com
[10:47:46] <systemd> ^ 03Computational analysis of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 surveillance by wastewater-based epidemiology locally and globally: Feasibility, economy, opportunities and challenges
[10:47:47] <exec> └─ 13Computational analysis of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 surveillance by wastewater-based epidemiology locally and globally: Feasibility, economy, opportunities and challenges - ScienceDirect
[10:47:57] <chromas> "Volume 730, 15 August 2020"
[10:47:58] <chromas> seems legit
[10:48:38] <chromas> Do they put the stuff online weeks before the "issue" is published?
[10:49:12] <boru> Usually, yeah. Papers go public for peer review, then into a journal which gets published later.
[10:49:59] <Bytram> =gnu chromas
[10:50:00] * systemd sneakily planks 40 gallons worth of gashyl greens for chromas
[10:50:03] <Bytram> =gnu boru
[10:50:03] * systemd unwittingly drops a pit of stones on boru
[10:50:48] <chromas> =gnome3 Bytram
[10:50:48] * systemd thoughtfully hallucinates a butt's worth of gummy bears with Bytram
[10:51:37] <Bytram> gummy bears are troublesome if you are wearing braces
[10:51:44] <Bytram> anybody here have experience buying music online?
[10:51:55] <boru> =gaudiloquent Bytram
[10:51:55] * systemd deviously piles a 55 gallon drum of meat on Bytram
[10:52:10] <Bytram> bacon++
[10:52:10] <Bender> karma - bacon: 339
[10:52:21] <boru> I buy my music on bandcamp these days.
[10:52:43] <Bytram> You can *buy* music there?
[10:52:53] <boru> Granted I have an oft weird and obscure taste in music.
[10:52:53] * Bytram is looking for a new release
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[10:52:58] <boru> Yeah, you can.
[10:53:10] <boru> Cuts out the record labels, though they've started to permeate the site as well.
[10:55:05] <Bytram> Amy Allen has a new single out today from an upcoming album. Single's title is "Queen of Silver Linings"
[10:57:04] <boru> If it's mainstream stuff, amazon music is probably where you want to go.
[10:57:19] <boru> Or spotify, but I've never used that, so who knows if you can buy it there.
[10:58:31] <Bytram> I looked at amazon, but I did not see it... could be my unfamiliarity with online services or all the ad-blockers etc. I have installed
[10:59:46] <Bytram> Amy Allen signed with Warner, so I'd like to think it would be generally available, but maybe I'm looking for it too early in the day?
[11:01:46] <boru> I don't see anything on bandcamp or amazon music
[11:01:51] <boru> itunes perhaps?
[11:02:02] <Bytram> never used it...
[11:02:14] <boru> Nor I. They're just the outlets I know of.
[11:02:32] <Bytram> I'm at: https://www.apple.com
[11:02:33] <systemd> ^ 03iTunes
[11:02:46] <Bytram> they want me to download iTunes
[11:03:15] <boru> I tried searching on spotify, but they force you to the language site of the country they think you're in, so I don't understand how to search on there.
[11:03:36] <boru> And on trying to change language: upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: connection termination
[11:03:42] <boru> I really hate the web.
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[11:06:19] <Bytram> We tend to ignore the things that go smoothly and pay attention and remember the troublesome and problematic side of things
[11:07:32] <boru> Quite the opposite. I continue to use www sites which aren't a shitshow. They are ever present in my mind from positive experience.
[11:08:36] * Bytram has some relatives with iPhones who I suspect has iTunes installed. I'll let them wake up and then ask if they can see/get it for me.
[11:08:50] <Bytram> boru++ you do have a point there.
[11:08:50] <Bender> karma - boru: 41
[11:09:13] <boru> I have no idea how I have acquired 41 points of karma.
[11:09:32] <boru> Must be a secondary emission cosmic ray strike.
[11:09:44] <boru> Which reminds me, I should try my SN sub again.
[11:09:49] <boru> Where is the begometer at now?
[11:09:55] <Bytram> well, there's an obvious next step...
[11:10:00] <Bytram> boru++
[11:10:00] <Bender> karma - boru: 42
[11:10:07] <Bytram> =)
[11:10:17] * Bytram goes to check
[11:11:19] <boru> Oh, I see. You're well into the stretch goal now. That's great news.
[11:12:16] <Bytram> yep, the Beg-o-Meter is up-to-date for the entire first half of the year... we got a $30 sub since then, which after fees (PayPal in this case) nets us another $28.83
[11:13:21] <Bytram> It most certainly is!!!!
[11:13:40] <boru> FFS, I've allowed payments in NA on my card, but still it seems to fail. Wtf.
[11:15:12] <Bytram> Stripe accepts most major credit cards, at least Visa, MC, Amex off the top of my head and prolly many more
[11:16:00] <boru> Yeah, I've got MC.
[11:17:06] <Bytram> that should work!
[11:20:24] <Bytram> afk for a while
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[12:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:00:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5293
[12:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, you should call your bank and push buttons until you get a human being.
[12:01:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not sure if that'll actually resolve the issue but having someone to yell at will certainly make you feel better.
[12:26:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mathematical Noodling Leads to New Insights Into an Old Fusion Problem - https://sylnt.us - noodling-around
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[14:36:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We Don't Really Own the Digital Possessions That We Buy Online - https://sylnt.us - gone-with-the-wind
[14:40:19] <boru> Did they ever figure out what caused that spike in nuclear isotopes in the Baltic?
[15:05:21] <FatPhil> it reached our national press, and that of finland, but there were no updates after the initial story.
[15:05:36] <FatPhil> they've all be rained down on me in the last 2 days, I'm sure
[15:17:25] <FatPhil> Ugh, DDG's broken (or changed its interface) if I do a search from my search bar (palemoon) I get no results, just the plain ddg search front page
[15:19:07] <FatPhil> hmmm, I removed the ddg search option, and then reset to defaults, putting it back, and now it does a redirect, so is blinky and slow, but at least vaguely works now.
[15:20:19] <FatPhil> except it doesn't, all the links are ddg redirects that 404 at their nginx
[15:21:24] <FatPhil> ahh, the reset default was "DuckDuckGo", I was using "DuckDuckGo HTML" previously
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[15:39:06] <FatPhil> and reinstalling the plain html one works as it used to
[15:39:18] <FatPhil> so either palemoon broke something, or ddg changed their interface
[15:46:33] <boru> Sorry, I was outside filming lightning.
[15:46:55] <boru> Is DDG any good these days? I'm using startpage at the moment.
[15:47:49] <boru> That fissile detection was interesting though. I thought it was a bit of a cop-out of the organisation's policy that they "don't investigate the source".
[15:51:00] <RandomFactor> https://www.forbes.com
[15:51:02] <systemd> ^ 03Russia’s New Super Weapons May Be Cause Of Radiation Leak
[15:51:02] <exec> └─ 13Russia’s New Super Weapons May Be Cause Of Radiation Leak
[15:51:20] * boru rolls eyes.
[15:51:29] <boru> I see the American propaganda machine is at it again.
[15:52:45] <RandomFactor> The only article i've seen that even tries to put a source on it. One article does not a propaganda machine make.
[15:52:47] <FatPhil> DDG is pants!
[15:53:05] <boru> They literally go from reactors to ICBMs in two paragraphs.
[15:53:47] <RandomFactor> ok...
[15:54:07] <RandomFactor> There's really not that much difference in the media's mind
[15:54:16] <FatPhil> startpage looks better than DDG, I'll give it a run for a week or so
[15:54:20] <FatPhil> boru++
[15:54:20] <Bender> karma - boru: 43
[15:54:33] <boru> "Don't pay attention to NATO 2030 everyone! These isoptopes are obviously Russian in origin!"
[15:54:52] <boru> Startpage is hit and miss, but it's rare that I need to do a websearch these days.
[15:56:12] <RandomFactor> Is NATO 2030 more than a discussion at this point?
[15:57:29] <FatPhil> forbes article doesn't list the same isotopes as our local news, Co-60 missing.
[15:58:47] <RandomFactor> Co-60 would indicate reactor source
[15:58:49] <FatPhil> the fact that forbes quote the “These isotopes are most likely from a civil source.” implies they know their whole story's bullshit
[15:59:36] <boru> Quite sure the JSF F-35 B61-12 certification is a precursor to NATO 2030.
[15:59:53] <boru> Considering the rate at which purchase is being pushed over here.
[16:00:39] <boru> I'm glad I'm a citizen of a non-member, personally, but if it continues to go the way it is, I'll certainly start thinking about living in a non-member state.
[16:01:49] <FatPhil> boru: you're EAPC though, so you're basically NATO
[16:03:06] <boru> I didn't vote for it, nor do I consider the Free State to be a legal goverment in Ireland.
[16:17:19] <RandomFactor> https://www.youtube.com
[16:17:21] <systemd> ^ 03Seattle police move into CHOP, arrest at least 23 people.
[16:17:21] <exec> └─ 13YouTube
[16:18:17] <RandomFactor> Best comment "Only took showing up at a politicians house for them to grow a backbone... shocked..."
[16:38:31] <RandomFactor> https://news.uga.edu
[16:38:33] <systemd> ^ 03Light drinking may protect brain function
[16:38:33] <exec> └─ 13Light drinking may protect brain function
[16:39:19] <RandomFactor> Excess in defense of my brain is no vice!
[16:41:22] <RandomFactor> =submit you have to protect yourself https://news.uga.edu
[16:41:23] <exec> └─ 13Light drinking may protect brain function
[16:41:25] <systemd> Submitting "Light drinking may protect brain function"...
[16:41:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Light Drinking May Protect Brain Function" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:46:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Discover Spider Wearing 'Joker' Makeup, Name It After Joaquin Phoenix - https://sylnt.us - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
[17:50:26] <FatPhil> DOI not found: 10.15298/arthsel.29.2.09
[17:51:16] <FatPhil> despite that being precisely what's listed on the paper here: https://www.researchgate.net
[17:51:17] <systemd> ^ 03(PDF) A new and easternmost species of Loureedia (Aranei: Eresidae) from Iran
[17:52:54] <FatPhil> one sexy motherbiter: https://www.researchgate.net
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[18:26:41] <systemd> Submitting "Microsoft issues critical fixes for booby-trapped images – update now!"...
[18:26:41] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft issues critical fixes for booby-trapped images – update now! – Naked Security
[18:27:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Microsoft Issues Critical Fixes for Booby-trapped Images – Update Now!" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[18:57:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Ripple20' Bugs Impact Hundreds of Millions of Connected Devices - https://sylnt.us - ripple-effect
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[21:05:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ten Years of the Sun in One Hour – Nasa Releases Mesmerising Space Film - https://sylnt.us - here-comes-the-sun-♫♫
[21:20:01] <FatPhil> straw poll for USians: "one off" - "wat???", "I can guess what it means", "think I know, but would never use it", "odd englishism, but I know what it means", ...?
[21:23:11] <chromas> None of those options
[21:23:25] <FatPhil> Just drinking an imported US beer, and the commercial description on the label uses the phrase, and I was quite surprised.
[21:23:27] <chromas> "I know what it means and have heard people use it recently"
[21:23:45] <FatPhil> chromas: ah, so you do hear it in the US now?
[21:23:46] <chromas> would've expected it to be hyphenated though
[21:24:11] <chromas> I think I've only heeard it in the US until just now
[21:24:18] <FatPhil> A very well educated NY-er in the early 90s informed me that the phrase was completely alien to him.
[21:24:25] <chromas> Maybe I've seen it in a foreign-written article or something I guess
[21:24:31] <FatPhil> he declared it to be a pure englishism
[21:24:56] <chromas> Is NY one of the states now? :D
[21:25:21] <FatPhil> g/f (highly literate) says "clearly English, never heard an American use it"
[21:25:27] <FatPhil> NY is in quite a state, yes
[21:25:54] <FatPhil> does google n-grams still exist? that might have some insights
[21:25:56] <RandomFactor> the phrase 'one off'? Pretty common use.
[21:26:12] <FatPhil> g/f left US 25 years ago
[21:26:29] <FatPhil> so I reckon it's crept into the language in the last couple of decades.
[21:26:46] <RandomFactor> probably out of production line manufacturing if i had to guess
[21:28:43] <RandomFactor> it's further back than a couple of decades, i knew it at least 30-40 years ago
[21:28:48] <RandomFactor> in the us
[21:56:25] <chromas> https://comicbook.com
[21:56:26] <systemd> ^ 03Beavis and Butt-Head Reboot Officially Announced
[21:56:27] <exec> └─ 13Beavis and Butt-Head Reboot Officially Announced
[21:56:30] <chromas> Now we're rebooting reboots
[21:58:24] <nutherguy> https://www.nytimes.com
[21:58:25] <systemd> ^ 03The Origins of ‘One-Off’
[21:58:25] <exec> └─ 13The Origins of 'One-off' - The New York Times
[22:01:18] <nutherguy> I still haven't created any virtual machines on this shiny new hardware
[22:01:32] <nutherguy> the shine is going to wear off before I get around to it
[22:01:38] <nutherguy> or, get a round tuit
[22:01:51] <chromas> Just make a one-off virtual machine
[22:01:57] <chromas> A one-off runoff
[22:02:31] <nutherguy> We're voting whether it's time for a nap
[22:02:41] <nutherguy> it's a runoff between me, myself, and I
[22:02:49] <chromas> I vote yea
[22:03:35] <nutherguy> I walked in the bedroom awhile ago - the wife was sprawled across the bed, and I didn't think I could get a fair share out of the leftover corners
[22:04:03] <nutherguy> maybe I'll go sit on the bed, and let the puppies wake her up . . .
[22:04:04] <chromas> The wife is now your blanket
[22:04:12] <Bytram> FatPhil: I'd not sure of the context you saw the phrase (link please if you have one, else a full quote would be helpful) but I've heard the expression "one off" before, and to me it means something akin to "It's not the real thing, but a very close copy". See: "Knock off". ==ALSO== Could be a genuine article off a manufacturing line, but it's not up to standards (e.g. failed QC) see "seconds"
[22:04:50] <chromas> Never heard it used like that before
[22:05:06] <Bytram> =g "one off"
[22:05:06] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - One-off | Definition of One-off by Merriam-Webster
[22:05:07] <nutherguy> mehhh - to me "one-off" means a one time thing, not likely to be repeated
[22:06:50] <Bytram> Then again, I *just* woke from a long nap, so take it with the proverbial unit of seasoning!
[22:07:15] <chromas> You require more minerals!
[22:10:59] <Bytram> and B-Vitamins
[22:39:38] <FatPhil> Bytram: that's not what the phrase means *at all*.
[22:40:04] <FatPhil> if any US-ians have that interpretation of the phrase please re-evaluate your answer.
[22:40:49] * Bytram is confused. I thought you were asking what the phrase meant, as in you did not know?
[22:41:16] <Bytram> If you knew what it meant, why/what were you asking?
[22:41:56] <FatPhil> I was asking how deeply the phrase had embedded itself in American, in opposition to English.
[22:42:24] <FatPhil> And the answers were interesting.
[22:42:55] <Bytram> Oh, in that case, certainly does not come up often in my area -- I'd say it's rare/obscure.
[22:43:57] <FatPhil> However, if the meaning has become completely mangled, then I was right in being surprised by correct use of it by Founders (Mich.) on their label.
[22:44:18] <Bytram> what was?
[22:45:16] <FatPhil> https://www.ratebeer.com
[22:46:12] <FatPhil> ``the quintessential taproom “one-off” beer'' - which implies the UK meaning, which is "a single batch", "made once", etc.
[22:46:27] <FatPhil> Hence my snark in my review.
[22:48:00] <Bytram> =g artisinal
[22:48:01] <systemd> https://jamiegeller.com - Artisinal Food - What Does It Mean? - Jamie Geller
[22:48:17] <Bytram> =g artisinal m-q
[22:48:18] <systemd> https://www.nytimes.com - The New Golden Age of Jewish-American Deli Food - The New York ...
[22:48:27] <Bytram> =g artisinal m-w
[22:48:27] <systemd> https://www.utilitydive.com - Brooklyn microgrid could supply residents with up to 10 MW | Utility ...
[22:49:37] <Bytram> =g artisanal m-w
[22:49:38] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Artisan | Definition of Artisan by Merriam-Webster
[22:54:09] <Bytram> =g bespoke m-w
[22:54:09] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Bespoke | Definition of Bespoke by Merriam-Webster
[23:17:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Indices of Health Under Our Feet - https://sylnt.us - what-have-you-been-excreting?