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[23:51:22] <AzumaHazuki> all in the GL/yuri genre, now i think of it...Kannazuki no Miko, Maria-sama ga Miteru, YamiBou (not typing the entire thing out), Utena, Aria, and Sailor Moon
[23:50:09] <AzumaHazuki> for all that i'm using an anime avatar i've seen maybe 6 series all the way through and only one was actually that long
[23:49:59] <trialmember> pokemon is my favorite anime
[23:49:46] <AzumaHazuki> never figured you for a weeb
[23:49:21] * TheMightyBuzzard buggers off to get his anime marathon on
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[23:45:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally prefer beef if i'm doing broth but i'm not terribly picky. anything but fish is fine.
[23:43:17] <AzumaHazuki> got these drumsticks for $0.75 on the pound. even beef feet are double that these days and they have no meat, so i think i'll be making a bunch more of this
[23:42:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully, there's still plenty of meat that they don't charge extra for the bones in
[23:41:58] <Bender> karma - hipsters: -12
[23:41:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> hipsters--
[23:37:44] <AzumaHazuki> unfortunately now that bone broth is trendy hipster chow, bones i used to get given free now cost $BUX
[23:36:58] <AzumaHazuki> pretty sure like every culture ever figured out broth. i love being able to make stuff from even bones and scraps :)
[23:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> chimichangas and margaritas for dinner. good ole american melting pot.
[23:28:27] <AzumaHazuki> perfect for the homemade chicken broth and drumstick meat soup too
[23:26:57] <AzumaHazuki> i love these. when indoors.
[23:26:53] <AzumaHazuki> spring thunderstorm <3 ~o~
[23:18:11] <pinchy> come on firefox android update
[22:33:29] <chromas> It's for the good of the land
[22:33:23] <chromas> We'll infect you before $badguy does
[22:19:49] <AzumaHazuki> ohh boy...i can see where THAT'S going. "defensive malware" sounds like a contradiction in terms to begin with
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[20:29:02] <janrinok> u2
[20:27:44] <AzumaHazuki> good luck
[20:27:22] <janrinok> I've got to go - tomorrow approaches fast and I have to be up fairly early in the morning. Nice talking with you Az, enjoy the rest of your weekend, and I'll catch you later.
[20:24:42] <janrinok> in which case they are wrong - but they can live their lives however they want. If they ask for my opinion I will gladly give it, but otherwise I'll continue to enjoy myself until they want to try and change my circumstances. Then I will fight back - and win.
[20:22:33] <AzumaHazuki> basically, a lot of people are born into good situations and think they earned their way there, and that manifests as gibbertarian bullshit, victim blaming, and selfishness
[20:20:54] <janrinok> I think that was a baseball analogy that went completely over my Brit head....
[20:20:04] <janrinok> indeed I am, and I've tried to make others around me feel the same way
[20:19:55] <AzumaHazuki> you seem not to have let this go to your head but there are entirely too many people who were born on third base and think they hit a triple
[20:19:21] <AzumaHazuki> you're one of the lucky ones, is my point
[20:19:03] <janrinok> I didn't say they were earned. I've happily squandered some of them. But nobody can tell me what happens next - well, not with any degree of certainty that would convince me that they are correct.
[20:18:21] <AzumaHazuki> this idea scares the local gibbertarian types, but it's the truth. we can do only so much, no matter how well prepared or "meritorious" we are
[20:17:54] <AzumaHazuki> most things are
[20:17:50] <AzumaHazuki> how do i put this into words clearly? those 67 years were not "earned," they were largely luck
[20:17:34] <janrinok> Are you trying to convince me that I should worry about what might happen?
[20:16:46] <janrinok> I'm sure there will be some who will be happy at that point. Me? I'll just be dead.
[20:16:40] <AzumaHazuki> but the world is bigger than you, and you did not have those 67 mostly good years without there being a price for it...
[20:15:39] <janrinok> then what I have left can be measured in hours - so what? I've had 67 good years, anything else is a bonus! :)
[20:14:50] <AzumaHazuki> and you won't deserve it. it will just happen
[20:14:44] <AzumaHazuki> no one is an island...and we have far less control over that than you think. you could be laid low tomorrow by illness and never "enjoy whatever you have left"
[20:13:58] <janrinok> I've enjoyed my life , and hope to continue enjoying whatever I have left, so I have no regrets.
[20:13:10] <janrinok> I'm more of an 'we're only here once, and nobody gets out alive' type of guy....
[20:11:03] <AzumaHazuki> just based on plain old physics, everything is connected to some degree. even if you have a hard limit in the form of the speed of light, and by definition regions of spacetime whose light cones will never intersect
[20:10:24] <AzumaHazuki> it sounds deep, but it's very simple. it's obvious when you think about it
[20:08:06] <janrinok> that sounds pretty deep....
[20:06:29] <AzumaHazuki> i wish i could just disappear too...i'm a lost child in time, always have been. but i see too much how everything is connected and how things emerge from previous circumstances
[20:04:42] <janrinok> but I don't try to impose my views on others or influence their choices. Not my problem.
[20:03:36] <janrinok> he explains it far better than I ever can
[20:03:03] <AzumaHazuki> that's the one!
[20:02:26] <upstart> ^ 03The Tragedy of systemd
[20:02:25] <janrinok> https://www.youtube.com if you get some time
[20:01:49] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, SysVInit has serious issues, but OpenRC and Runit are the solutions...SystemD is trying to do too much and isn't doing it right
[20:01:17] <AzumaHazuki> instead they seem to have infiltrated Linux as a whole, gaslit Debian into using it (which has knock-on effects on the entire Linux ecosystem) and acted like we've always been at war with Eastasia^W SysVInit
[20:01:12] <janrinok> as I said, the man is an ass. But I don't know how many linux devs fit that description either so it is a moot point.
[20:00:19] <AzumaHazuki> then they should have kept it internal, or even better, advertised it as their own New Hotness (TM) and *let people get jealous.*
[19:59:47] <janrinok> However, peottering is an ass, but he writes what he is paid to write, and RedHat needed this software to handle their cloud offerings while improving start up speeds and security.
[19:59:44] <AzumaHazuki> that and its tendency to try to be all things to everyone. it's offering false modularity; no one actually builds only this service but not that service of systemd
[19:59:19] <AzumaHazuki> i don't actually mind using it day to day, as long as nothing breaks. again, the implications of who is coding it, why they're coding it, and the arrogant opacity of it are what worry me
[19:58:18] <janrinok> There is a bit of a learning curve, but once it clicks you have to ask yourself why wasn't it done sooner. Well, actually it was. It was an idea borrowed from the Mac, but done properly. The actual concept has been around for over a decade.
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[19:56:10] <janrinok> well, it wasn't designed with us in mind. It is very good at handling containers and spinning up large numbers of machines in the cloud, but having got into it it is also very easy to use and quite powerful. I don't worry about it any more.
[19:54:04] <AzumaHazuki> it's not systemd itself so much as who's coding it and what their probable agenda is, as well as how utterly counter to the Unix Way it is
[19:53:44] <AzumaHazuki> SystemD scares me witless. i very nearly switched off Linux entirely a few years ago...
[19:50:31] <janrinok> I've currently got Debian on my servers, and a mix of Ubuntu and Fedora 29 on my main machines. I run several other distros as VMs though.
[19:49:15] <janrinok> Sorry, I recall reading that in a comment you made recently, I suppose I should have remembered
[19:48:40] <AzumaHazuki> Artix, for now. I've been using Arch for the better part of 10 years, with some Void for a while. I miss Gentoo but don't have the hardware grunt for it
[19:47:51] <janrinok> which distro have you settled on, or do you change every so often?
[19:46:11] <AzumaHazuki> not likely. i'm aware this tends to creep people out a bit and don't dress remotely like that for interviews, for example
[19:45:48] <janrinok> doesn't sound as though our paths have ever crossed then :0
[19:45:36] <AzumaHazuki> think "Caucasuai yuurei with a chapstick-lesbian wardrobe and glasses"
[19:44:59] <AzumaHazuki> it would be impossible to miss me. i'm 5'10", usually dressed all in black, with knee-length hair and a permanent case of Grump Cat Face
[19:44:18] <janrinok> You know, on a site like ours, we all develop imaginary images of the characters that we meet, yet we could all be standing in the same room and not know each other! We are a weird bunch...
[19:42:49] <AzumaHazuki> ...incidentally this is one reason i do not drink. hate throwing up, and i have way too much hair for someone to hold out of the way during an offering to Cloacina, brown-eyed goddess of the sewers :v
[19:42:31] <janrinok> I'm lying in bed laughing my head off now!
[19:42:00] <AzumaHazuki> it's the cirrrrrcle of fifths~ / and we booooooze us allll / through despair, and hoooope / through puke and droooool~ / till we fiiiiiind our place / on the porcelain pee stump / from the cirrrrcle / the cirrrrlce of fifths~ o/~
[19:40:53] <janrinok> Circle of Fifths - you hum it and I'll drink along to it...
[19:40:12] <janrinok> I've only recently been able to ditch it completely - my satnav would only update under Windows, but now I have changed satnav and it just connects directly to my router so Windows is gone. Stuck with Win7 though, never went up to 8 or after.
[19:38:59] <AzumaHazuki> am trying to teach myself music theory the hard way. is not working. "circle of fifths" sounds like a drinking game
[19:38:37] <AzumaHazuki> eh...i still keep a windows VM around for Anvil Studio, my MIDI sequencer
[19:38:05] <janrinok> I was only still running both Windows and Linux back then, before I was confident enough to make a clean break
[19:37:10] <AzumaHazuki> Leech is very old. i got it back on the art.gnome.org site in...2005?
[19:36:38] <janrinok> they're new to me - or at least that is what my failing memory suggests
[19:35:43] <AzumaHazuki> i remember a very dark black and blue-buttoned theme called Humanoid OS X and a GTK2 theme called Leech that worked wonderfully together
[19:35:24] <janrinok> yep, and it is still awesome
[19:35:15] <AzumaHazuki> oh, they kept it around?
[19:35:00] <janrinok> The MATE desktop on Fedora 29 is actually called MATE Compiz - I love it
[19:34:24] <AzumaHazuki> i think Linux desktop peaked arouns 2012 in this regard
[19:34:15] <AzumaHazuki> and Compiz was awesome. it still works but it's fallen out of favor
[19:33:05] <janrinok> I remember that too!
[19:32:30] <AzumaHazuki> one of my fondest memories of Linux is the Xubuntu desktop of about 6-9 years ago, the one that used its own theme and the Tango icons and looked like Gnome 2.0
[19:32:05] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, yeah, scripts running under Caja so they appear in my menus etc
[19:31:32] <janrinok> ...but I much prefer the old school desktops to the bling of the latest offerings or, as you said, the perceived need to imitate a smart phone.
[19:30:50] <chromas> Konqueror's still around. Nobody talks about it, though
[19:30:46] <AzumaHazuki> extensions to Caja or something else?
[19:30:27] <janrinok> I have a bunch of scripts which I have used under both GTK2 and GTK3 MATE. They do things that I need to do but which might not be common for everyone. I've not been able to implement them under Xfce.
[19:29:58] <AzumaHazuki> though, old-school Konquerer was my favorite
[19:29:48] <AzumaHazuki> oh yeah. i like Explorer but PCManFM is better for me
[19:28:53] <chromas> Even better than Windows Explorer?
[19:28:34] <AzumaHazuki> Caja is also ugly and unconfigurable compared to PCManFM, which is still the best file manager i've ever used
[19:28:08] <janrinok> I certainly don't like Gnome+GTK3, but I don't have any problem with the speed of MATE. It can display data faster than I can think...!
[19:27:24] <AzumaHazuki> plus i remember reading a thread on OMGUbuntu's forums that apparently theming is a "side effect" of how GTK3 actually works
[19:27:02] <AzumaHazuki> GTK3. it's slow, clunky, and too big and puffy
[19:25:47] <janrinok> what is it that you dislike? Anything specific or just not for you?
[19:24:36] <AzumaHazuki> mate just doesn't feel right to me somehow...Xfce does Gnome 2 better than Gnome 2 did it at this point. Wish they weren't moving to GTK3
[19:23:29] <janrinok> Hi Az, I've settled on MATE as my desktop. It uses the latest software but sticks to the old traditional desktop
[19:21:36] <AzumaHazuki> something went really wrong with Linux DEs about 5-6 years ago...GTK3 mostly, but also chasing this flat/smartphone look
[19:19:38] <chromas> KDE4+ also don't rotate taskbar text for vertical panels either :(
[19:14:06] <AzumaHazuki> Xfce 4.2 GTK theme, elementary icons, Plastik WM border theme, single old-style panel...this feels nice
[19:13:48] <AzumaHazuki> Xfce makes a better KDE3 desktop than KDE4 or Plasma 5 do. I kind of like this
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[19:02:26] <exec> welcome janrinok: Paimpol, France, 10°C/50°F, 9:02 pm GMT+2, Sunday, 5 May 2019
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[13:37:27] <Bytram_> have a great day everyone!
[13:37:22] <Bytram_> wish I could stay and chat, but really gtg
[13:37:07] <Bytram_> Just a quick check-in. Have another crazy-busy day at work today and am so looking forward to having tomorrow off!
[13:36:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4749
[13:36:35] <Bytram_> coffee++
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[08:56:02] <Runaway1956> here they come, two by two, with hands of blue
[08:55:33] <chromas> , said the tsa agent as she snapped on a glove
[08:55:25] <Runaway1956> Oh - real donald? LMAO
[08:55:23] <chromas> it doesn't hurt to check
[08:55:11] <Runaway1956> Is that like "alt-right"?
[08:54:46] <Runaway1956> I don't think I'm rDT
[08:53:28] <chromas> A lot of 'fake news' sites. Are You rDT?
[08:53:15] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[08:52:50] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[08:52:48] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.rt.com
[08:52:41] <chromas> Thanks, Jenny McCarthy
[08:52:00] <Runaway1956> ohhh - bubonic plague?
[08:51:29] <chromas> The lack of news could be news
[08:50:41] <Runaway1956> Last night and tonight, I've scrolled several hundred news feed titles - mostly just crap - rockets in Israel, moron dem candidates in US - lil Kim shooting his wad in Asia
[08:49:49] <chromas> only if he's not lazy
[08:49:26] <Runaway1956> A guy can outsmart dumb websites - sometimes
[08:49:03] <chromas> Not sure. foxnews.com isn't quite as bad as Fox News Channel
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[08:48:43] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[08:48:34] <Runaway1956> Which is the classier site - fox, or sun?
[08:48:26] <chromas> He didn't put a fix in for gizmodo's shitty code so this prayer will probably go unanswered
[08:48:17] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[08:48:16] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.thesun.co.uk
[08:47:46] <chromas> for those dumb website who put parameters in the title tag
[08:47:31] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: need to change your regex to something like <title.*?>.*?<
[08:45:48] <Runaway1956> Awww, plowboy, come on!
[08:45:26] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[08:45:25] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.foxnews.com
[08:45:08] <Runaway1956> I may be prejudiced, but here's one for the "Smoky Mountains are Amazing" department
[08:17:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GNU Guix 1.0.0 Released - http://sylnt.us - dunno-what's-gnu-with-you
[07:59:05] <chromas> well I don't have office anyhow, and pirating is against the law. I wouldn't download a bear!
[07:57:21] <AzumaHazuki> i am fairly certain that is a dark ritual to summon one or more elder things
[07:57:13] <chromas> for fun, of course
[07:56:51] <chromas> excel maybe, or powerpoint
[07:56:44] <AzumaHazuki> why
[07:56:33] <chromas> If I had MS Office, I'd make an irc bot in that
[07:56:23] <chromas> I wonder if VBA does sockets
[07:50:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know it takes less time to write something in rust than in perl6 though and rust takes longer than c.
[07:49:59] <chromas> "Rakudo, a compiler running on MoarVM, the JVM and other backends."
[07:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's several interpreters. one prolly is.
[07:49:01] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[07:48:39] <chromas> I thought I read the interpreter is part-java. Was that correct?
[07:47:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> quick to develop in, not necessarily speed though that's nice as well.
[07:47:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> scripting languages should be quick and not bitch about trivialities. that's for compiled shit.
[07:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl6 is already what happens if perl 5 and python have a baby, so incest
[07:45:50] <chromas> python 3
[07:45:38] <chromas> Imagine if perl 6 and python had a babby
[07:45:35] <AzumaHazuki> why, because the interpreter instantly tells you you're full of shit instead of typing it out each time?
[07:44:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl 6 is much more annoying than you
[07:44:34] <AzumaHazuki> oh, brave sir robin~ o/~
[07:44:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is? fuck this shit then. TMB out.
[07:44:01] <chromas> no, TheMightyBuzzard, you don't understand. This isn't BASIC. It's perl 6
[07:43:57] <AzumaHazuki> you're desperately trying to soothe your bruised ego. you miscalculated badly before and got surprised, and responded in a panic
[07:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> goto 10
[07:43:37] <AzumaHazuki> keep telling yourself that...
[07:43:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i just think i'm winding you up at this point.
[07:43:22] <AzumaHazuki> you are running the "defeated bully" script almost verbatim
[07:43:10] <chromas> you should be watching the boondocks
[07:43:09] <AzumaHazuki> do you really, truly think you're fooling anyone, Uzzard? aside from yourself? I have seen this scenario play out dozens of times before
[07:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> quaking in my bvds, yep.
[07:42:31] <AzumaHazuki> you've admitted i do scare you though :) not for any realistic reason, and you're not scared of me for the reasons you should be, but you're frightened
[07:42:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, now i need to watch boondock saints again
[07:42:09] <chromas> laughing is good for you, and what's good for your gander is worth two in the bush
[07:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, come and see the violence inherent in the azuma. you terrify me and ruin all the things i've already thought through from every argument angle you're going to make. it hurts my butt.
[07:41:24] <AzumaHazuki> i know i shouldn't be laughing at you, but this is so incredibly predictable...
[07:40:54] <AzumaHazuki> like any bully who gets his ass whooped, your instinct is to gather reinforcements. you really never did grow up inside, did you?
[07:40:25] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, and now you're trying to enlist help!
[07:40:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, did you put a goto loop in the azumabot?
[07:39:47] <AzumaHazuki> right, like i said...
[07:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above
[07:39:32] <AzumaHazuki> i keep telling you that, and yet....
[07:39:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you keep saying that and not supporting it. repetition does not make truth.
[07:38:59] <AzumaHazuki> you made my point for me. you rushed right into it, and your panicked flurry of insults and hasty retreat afterwards are proof that even you realize you fucked up
[07:38:30] <AzumaHazuki> again...whatever you need to tell yourself to get to sleep at night
[07:38:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i graduated from that level of internet bullshit before you could type. watching you noob it up is funny though.
[07:37:47] <AzumaHazuki> that's actually not much of a surprise given your previous performance, i guess...
[07:37:32] <AzumaHazuki> what, you didn't understand it the first time?
[07:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm interested in how many times you can rephrase the traditional 4chan "u mad, bro?"
[07:37:12] <AzumaHazuki> and you didn't even realize you did it
[07:37:07] <AzumaHazuki> keep telling yourself that, Uzzard. you are desperately trying to salve your wounded ego. fact is, you made my argument for me
[07:37:02] <chromas> wow, bullyshaming. Just wow.
[07:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> keep going. this is actually more entertaining than listening to you try to argue.
[07:36:02] <chromas> Speaking of Robin Hood, has Kevin Costner been in any good movies?
[07:35:49] <AzumaHazuki> you act exactly like the local playground bully after getting schooled
[07:35:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above.
[07:34:29] <AzumaHazuki> looks like he was throwing shit and screaming like a chimpanzee...followed by running off bare-assed
[07:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure. go ahead thinking that. i won't further interfere with your delusions.
[07:34:07] <chromas> "chimpout"? that's even worse than "gibs"
[07:34:03] <AzumaHazuki> i do wonder why i keep trying sometimes honestly
[07:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's only so many times you want to bang your head on something before you realize it's not going to break.
[07:33:28] <AzumaHazuki> no, you have not, and in fact you have made my point for me, and your obvious chimpout reaction upon being shown this shows even you know it
[07:32:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, seriously. you're wrong. i've repeatedly proven it. and you refuse to even attempt to understand what i say.
[07:32:18] <AzumaHazuki> and stick the flounce this time
[07:32:10] <AzumaHazuki> run along now, Brave Sir Robin
[07:32:02] <AzumaHazuki> bull~shit
[07:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, nah, i just get bored saying the same thing over and over and over and you still not understanding. lost causes aren't as entertaining.
[07:30:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet. fishin weather.
[07:30:16] <exec> 10Humboldt, TN - currently 58°F, cloudy, wind N at 8 mph, humidity 98% - Saturday cloudy (56°F:68°F), Sunday partly cloudy (50°F:73°F), Monday partly cloudy (59°F:80°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (65°F:85°F)
[07:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[07:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid bot
[07:30:03] <MrPlow> got http response code 401
[07:30:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[07:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> forgot what i came in here in the first place for
[07:29:41] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[07:29:41] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[07:22:15] <AzumaHazuki> what a child you are. i have even less respect for you now than i did before
[07:21:58] <AzumaHazuki> and you think spewing a bunch of insults is going to disguise that
[07:21:37] <AzumaHazuki> you lost. you fucked up. you kicked it square into your own goal
[07:21:29] <AzumaHazuki> pull the other one, mate, it's got bells on
[07:21:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll go watch more anime.
[07:21:22] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, right.
[07:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, just getting bored.
[07:21:03] <AzumaHazuki> right now you're just throwing a temper tantrum
[07:20:53] <AzumaHazuki> no one likes a sore loser. you'll feel better after a nap
[07:20:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are so utterly full of shit. you spout things that not even your ass can believe.
[07:20:41] <AzumaHazuki> go to bed. you fucked up
[07:20:34] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[07:20:26] <AzumaHazuki> you made my point for me. and now the accusations come flying thick and fast
[07:20:16] <AzumaHazuki> if what i said before is "just semantics," then you have reiterated my point that someone who is not able to exercise his or her freedom is not actually free, even if he or she technically is
[07:19:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you're splitting hairs because you've lost the argument.
[07:19:46] <AzumaHazuki> you're losing it. you just made my point for me
[07:19:39] <AzumaHazuki> you're getting desperate, Uzzard
[07:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you just blathered nonsense
[07:19:18] <AzumaHazuki> oh, sorry, did i come on too strong? :)
[07:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and yes, you are absolutely ego driven because you do not attempt to convince, you wish to compel.
[07:18:54] <AzumaHazuki> nice own goal there
[07:18:51] <AzumaHazuki> ...and if you think that's the same thing, then you've made my argument that someone who is not able to act on freedom is not in fact free :)
[07:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> semantics
[07:18:21] <AzumaHazuki> at most someone's possible/available actions can be constrained
[07:18:02] <AzumaHazuki> no one can take away someone else's free will
[07:17:53] <AzumaHazuki> ...what?
[07:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> just. said. it.
[07:17:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have just said that it's okay to take away someone's free will if you believe they're wrong.
[07:17:39] <AzumaHazuki> gladly: you insist that everything is ego-driven here. you inist that someone has to think they are god by comparison to someone else to even think of saying "you know, I think my way is better"
[07:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> bullshit, point out the strawman.
[07:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no. correctness of position has nothing to do with it.
[07:16:58] <AzumaHazuki> you're strawmanning again, as you always do when you fuck up
[07:16:45] <AzumaHazuki> no, completely on the nose
[07:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> irrelevant
[07:16:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no getting around that. one of these days you're going to realize i was right and smake yourself.
[07:16:27] <AzumaHazuki> uh, no it's not? at most, the only requirement is a belief that in one specific arena one knows more than whoever one is talking with
[07:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, you do. it is a requirement to believe so before you can go demanding your will be enacted on others against their own
[07:15:27] <AzumaHazuki> and no, i don't. if i thought i were better than everyone else, i'd say so, because it would produce the kind of tremendous ego that would see nothing wrong with saying so
[07:14:54] <AzumaHazuki> which is, ironically, a very childish thing to do
[07:14:48] <AzumaHazuki> you lump anything you don't like under the heading of "treating like a child"
[07:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think you're better than everyone else
[07:14:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, fundamental difference between us
[07:14:32] <AzumaHazuki> strawman
[07:14:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, unless they in fact are children
[07:14:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and my ideology says nothing about consequences because there is no excuse for treating your fellow man as if they're children to be taken care of by your adult self.
[07:14:01] <AzumaHazuki> guess what? it's not working. humans are not islands.
[07:13:48] <AzumaHazuki> like i said...you don't want to be bothered with the consequences of your beliefs. this is your way of trying to absolve yourself of any
[07:13:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh no. i'm very big on personal responsibility. including my own.
[07:13:08] <AzumaHazuki> who do you think you're fooling?
[07:13:00] <AzumaHazuki> it says you don't want to be bothered with the consequences of your ideology
[07:12:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth hurt?
[07:12:33] <AzumaHazuki> bullllllll-shit, private pyle
[07:12:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine fundamentally says you are equal to me and i shall not treat you otherwise.
[07:12:15] <AzumaHazuki> so you're saying your ignorance is as good as someone else's knowledge then
[07:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> my ideology grants every person freedom from me thinking i know better how to live their lives than they do. yours says otherwise.
[07:10:57] <AzumaHazuki> liar. your ideology places your idea of freedom above everything and everyone else
[07:10:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> my ideology places every other person's humanity and value on par with my own. yours sets your own above all.
[07:10:19] <AzumaHazuki> you're done. go the hell to bed, Uzzard
[07:10:04] <AzumaHazuki> don't fucking insult our intelligence
[07:09:59] <AzumaHazuki> "ideological instead of practical," you said it yourself. and you are deluding yourself; your ideology places your idea of what freedom is over everything else
[07:09:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> given that my ideology places people above everything, that's demonstrably false.
[07:09:24] <AzumaHazuki> no, you pulled it out of yours, and i'm commenting on how bad it smells
[07:09:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> please, you just pulled that out of your ass there.
[07:08:47] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. ideology above people, dogma over reality. thank you for finally admitting it
[07:08:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it's ideological instead of practical
[07:08:26] <AzumaHazuki> this is why i say you will only learn when you suffer
[07:08:16] <AzumaHazuki> okay, but that's...you. and that's naive as hell
[07:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> means a lot to me even then
[07:07:45] <AzumaHazuki> if you cannot exercise your freedom, then theoretically having that freedom means jack and shit
[07:07:30] <AzumaHazuki> beyond a certain point, some things are necessary co-conditions of freedom
[07:07:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're saying it's not as great if you don't also have $blah. this is true but it does not make $blah part of freedom.
[07:07:07] <AzumaHazuki> sure it does. he's free, right? no government to speak of there. he can do whatever he wants
[07:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> so? it has nothing to do with freedom.
[07:06:28] <AzumaHazuki> sure, the kid made bad choices
[07:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i've changed plenty over the years. even some since i've been here.
[07:06:23] <AzumaHazuki> ...tell that to the starving kid in Africa, the one born to malnourished parents, four years old and stick thin, being stalked by birds of prey
[07:06:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> freedom isn't supposed to be freedom from consequences
[07:05:51] <AzumaHazuki> i know you're never going to change, because you have a deeply emotional--not rational--need not to. i don't know why or what caused this, but you've found a local minimum and won't budge
[07:05:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> your freedom got you there unless you allowed someone to infringe on it previously
[07:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> edge cases like national defense excepted of course
[07:05:17] <AzumaHazuki> yes, there is. if you're so malnourished you can't think or walk straight, you have no ability to exercise your supposed freedom
[07:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> you do not get more freedom by taking it away
[07:04:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, there is not
[07:04:44] <AzumaHazuki> there is more freedom and more ability to exercise it when these are not issues
[07:04:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ham without cheese isn't all that great, so cheese must also be ham?
[07:04:32] <AzumaHazuki> again: one is not able to exercise that freedom when one is malnourished, sick, etc
[07:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you just try to add freedoms that aren't actually freedoms.
[07:03:46] <AzumaHazuki> i know, Uzzard. it was obvious from day one. that statement of yours is internally inconsistent though
[07:03:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i value freedom above everything. yes, even death. yes even quite a lot of suffering.
[07:03:09] <AzumaHazuki> and your values are self-destructive of themselves
[07:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it is a value judgment.
[07:02:54] <AzumaHazuki> ...keep telling yourself that
[07:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> my arguments and ability to articulate them has improved quite a bit from having to turn the understood into the laid out here.
[07:02:27] <AzumaHazuki> face it, Uzzard, you're willfully wrong. you refuse to understand this simple concept because it would force you to remake your entire worldview
[07:01:58] <AzumaHazuki> wrong *and* an asshole *and* bad at Brave Sir Robin'ing his way away
[07:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> tip of thanks. sincere.
[07:01:43] <AzumaHazuki> 0/10
[07:01:25] * TheMightyBuzzard tips hat
[07:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> you help there. i have to spell out things that i never bothered even putting into words since they were so blindingly obvious
[07:00:26] <AzumaHazuki> you're not keeping it very consistent or tidy
[07:00:14] <AzumaHazuki> this is not a new concept
[07:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> my mind is the only one i'm in charge of
[07:00:07] <AzumaHazuki> you simply refuse to understand that "freedom" is nothing without the ability to exercise it
[07:00:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> to use a word of my childhood, duh
[06:59:39] <AzumaHazuki> in your own mind, yes
[06:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you keep trying to say that but you've never made an argument i haven't shot down
[06:59:16] <AzumaHazuki> there are a distressing number of people like you though
[06:58:59] <AzumaHazuki> ironic, isn't it? that you would cling to a worldview that undermines the freedom you risked your life for...
[06:58:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i signed up to get shot at for people's that i don't even like much. it matters a bit to me.
[06:58:08] <AzumaHazuki> something tells me you wouldn't when you're right on the edge of death
[06:57:57] <AzumaHazuki> let's see how much you would in extremis...
[06:57:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i still prefer the freedom
[06:57:39] <AzumaHazuki> okay, you can, but you're wrong
[06:57:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> because i have
[06:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes i can
[06:57:25] <AzumaHazuki> you cannot tell me someone is free to pursue their goals when they can't feed themselves
[06:57:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> free to make your own choices and live with the consequences
[06:57:02] <AzumaHazuki> free to starve, to die of exposure, to catch whatever awful disease you want...goodie
[06:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're wrong
[06:56:43] <AzumaHazuki> there is a tremendous difference
[06:56:38] <AzumaHazuki> no, i think lack of essentials makes one not free
[06:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you just think comfort also qualifies as freedom.
[06:56:06] <AzumaHazuki> it's always been your naive idea of what you think freedom is and what you think will ensure it
[06:55:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> not for me, for everyone.
[06:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> freedom. it's always been freedom.
[06:55:20] <AzumaHazuki> oh, i got the meaning ages ago. i wanted to see exactly where the nub or crux was
[06:54:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i expect you did. the problem is that's what you set out to do instead of trying to receive the meaning i'm trying to impart.
[06:53:02] <AzumaHazuki> i confirmed what i needed to know...
[06:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg. AzumaHazuki's evil plan to keep me up way past bedtime succeeded. curse you, red baron!
[06:51:17] <chromas> daleks are the cl4p-tp of dr who
[06:51:11] <chromas> good point
[06:51:03] <AzumaHazuki> stairs are...problematic, too
[06:50:35] <chromas> Well, they probably don't step in shit too often, but just kick it over and it's done
[06:50:31] <exec> 10Washington, DC - currently 66°F, light rain showers, wind E at 3 mph, humidity 93% - Saturday showers (63°F:75°F), Sunday rain (55°F:66°F), Monday partly cloudy (57°F:75°F), Tuesday sunny (58°F:82°F)
[06:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather hell
[06:50:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know you're going to hell for that, right?
[06:49:37] <chromas> daleks are the jar jar of dr who
[06:49:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> kids got a kick out of sounding like a dalek
[06:49:02] <AzumaHazuki> not so much about the Genesis. I know it's a Yamaha YM2612 but not how FM synths work
[06:48:44] <AzumaHazuki> i could go on about the NES and Gameboy sound chips for ages :3 and the SNES's SPC700, which is seriously like alien technology
[06:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i only really ever cared about it enough to build both hardware and software 30Hz ring mods
[06:47:43] <AzumaHazuki> well...usually up to the 7th or 9th harmonic, and some filtering to deal with the weird ringing overshoots at the boundaries
[06:47:17] <AzumaHazuki> but yeah...regarding music i'm a fan of 8 bit stuff, because the waves are simple and i know how to make them. Squares are the sum of an infinite series of odd harmonics of sine waves for example
[06:47:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but it still requires a bit more doctor visits than the alternative.
[06:46:31] <AzumaHazuki> though, not like either of us are going to be pregnant, sooooo
[06:46:30] <chromas> AzumaphexTwin
[06:46:19] <AzumaHazuki> i wouldn't mind being my girlfriend's obgyn
[06:46:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> kills the magic
[06:46:08] <chromas> You'll just have to make all your tunes on the computer. Hiyo Python, Away!
[06:46:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can kinda get musical theory but it bores me. kinda like you don't want to be your new girlfriend's obgyn
[06:45:13] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, why did i and only i have to be born this way?
[06:45:08] <upstart> https://youtube.com - "Do-Re-Mi" (beer version) - Lauren Molina (1:18)
[06:45:07] <chromas> =yt 4DuVfncOvvQ
[06:45:02] <AzumaHazuki> i'm too deaf to get music theory but i get the physics and math of it rather well. still rankles, having siblings with musical talent and perfect hearing
[06:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> and he says a url
[06:44:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause other bots already did that for urls
[06:44:36] <chromas> lazy mercurial
[06:44:27] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[06:44:22] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with foo"); drop table smakes;
[06:44:22] <chromas> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[06:44:19] <chromas> Why doesn't MrPlow give the title? It's available in the api
[06:43:51] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[06:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt 4DuVfncOvvQ
[06:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> they tried metric time for a very short but confusing amount of time back in the day in france
[06:42:34] <AzumaHazuki> pretty much never, since harmonic relationships are based on powers of 2 from what i can tell
[06:42:13] <chromas> there should be 10. when is metric coming to music?
[06:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, you should have been a fan of The Who then. little lighter fluid, smashy smashy, sweet grand finale that is rather more of a finale than expected
[06:41:26] <AzumaHazuki> 8? there's only 7 in a scale...
[06:41:06] * chromas sends AzumaHazuki those 8 magical notes
[06:40:56] <chromas> Cello, eh
[06:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can technically play guitar. by which i mean if i try to learn a song on a guitar, i can learn it. i don't enjoy it or do it more than once a year though.
[06:39:54] <AzumaHazuki> meh. i got stuck making screechyfart sounds on a cello in seventh grade regardless
[06:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it took less than a week for me to get sent to the teacher's office to listen to the radio and do my other homework.
[06:38:56] <chromas> That's why Jesus invented Melodyne
[06:38:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't carry a tune in a bucket
[06:38:15] <chromas> Sing us a song, you're the Buzzard man
[06:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i took music instead of gym. that's where all the girls were and i'd rather look at them than naked guys in a locker room.
[06:36:53] <AzumaHazuki> i take a Taoist approach to this: the "ten thousand things" are ephemeral. too many people are chasing illusions
[06:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. less in the south, midwest, and southwest but it definitely exists even there.
[06:35:49] <AzumaHazuki> i took a lot of ribbing for being interested in farming and agriculture and shop class back in NYC. people thought it was weird. there is some truth to the "city slicker" stereotype
[06:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, to some degree. it was always a damned hard and risky job though.
[06:34:46] <AzumaHazuki> granted, mostly because corporate has bought out large chunks of uncle sam
[06:34:36] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. and both corporate and uncle sam have made smallholders' lives hell
[06:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> independent farmers don't do an incredibly difficult and risky job rather than selling out to corporate and then sell out to uncle sam.
[06:33:55] <chromas> Yeah, spanking the illegal employers would be much cheaper and more effective than a dumbass wall
[06:33:32] <AzumaHazuki> repubs love slave labor, dems are cynically trying to grow a voting bloc (and some of them also love slave labor)
[06:33:09] * chromas nods
[06:33:01] <AzumaHazuki> neither party will because both parties benefit from the suffering of illegals abroad and here
[06:32:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't actually know any farmers, do you? they'd all quit. nearly to a man.
[06:32:30] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, about that...you could solve most of the illegal immigration issue yesterday by imposing death-penalty-equivalent fines on companies caught hiring or using them
[06:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> by nationalizing the industry?
[06:31:55] <chromas> They could replace illegal Mexicans with onion-picking robots
[06:31:46] <AzumaHazuki> no, but you can make it so one bad year doesn't ruin the farmer
[06:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> farmers in particular. you cannot make that an inexpensive endeavor.
[06:31:21] <AzumaHazuki> that's the knock-on effect i'm speaking of
[06:31:12] <AzumaHazuki> they will have much more motivation and ability to do their work if they are not facing existential threats, do you get it?
[06:30:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> people still have to preform work. they will want paid for it until their replicator ships.
[06:30:39] <AzumaHazuki> and, again, post-scarcity does not mean infinite and does not mean ignoring thermodynamics
[06:30:27] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, people like you who would rather commit harakiri with a rusty butterknife than let that kind of thing happen is the problem...
[06:30:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of it is truly post-scarcity still.
[06:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but you've got a problem there.
[06:29:53] <AzumaHazuki> the knock-on benefits alone will save billions if not trillions.
[06:29:29] <AzumaHazuki> maybe the best way to think of this is, we should be looking to move the goods and services with the least-elastic demand off the scarcity paradigm first
[06:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't have to buy the marketing
[06:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless they're grown in a lab for a tenth or less the cost.
[06:28:54] <AzumaHazuki> not so. diamonds in partcular are a cartel good and soaked in blood
[06:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we can't. they're an insanely long way down the road.
[06:28:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> point being, there's no reason to not have them if you can afford them and want them.
[06:28:29] <AzumaHazuki> we need to prioritize. we can get replicators going AFTER we get the power problem solved
[06:28:02] <AzumaHazuki> yes, because they're birds :v
[06:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> and yet birds still steal shiny things
[06:27:49] <AzumaHazuki> and with more than 10, one runs out of fingers
[06:27:35] <AzumaHazuki> because by definition, crystalline carbon is not a biological need. we cannot eat it, for example
[06:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> why not?
[06:27:13] <AzumaHazuki> we need to prioritize
[06:27:08] <AzumaHazuki> some of that is going to have to go. no one needs a closet full of diamond rings
[06:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can get a lot of it cranking out but it's never going to be infinite, so we can't act like it is.
[06:26:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> of energy
[06:26:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> abundance above and beyond what people need to live in most developed societies
[06:26:01] <AzumaHazuki> define "wealth." gold means nothing to a starving man on a desert island
[06:25:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe a while from now but not now.
[06:25:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't have the ability to create that much energy. we can remove scarcity but we can't create wealth
[06:25:25] <AzumaHazuki> and we need to adapt to changing conditions
[06:25:20] <AzumaHazuki> we need more and smaller farms. we need people not to think of smallhold as a dishonorable life choice.
[06:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was gonna say "food don't grown on trees, you know" but you don't appreciate my humor.
[06:24:52] <AzumaHazuki> we so could. couple power with desalinization and bam, there's the water solved. crops are harder, especially because the US's monoculture fucking sucks
[06:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff. power we could do. the other two we couldn't.
[06:24:24] <AzumaHazuki> well i don't mean star trek replicators
[06:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you mean something other than actual post-scarcity, say what you mean.
[06:23:54] <AzumaHazuki> fine, call it the first step to post-scarcity then: getting power, water, and basic food decoupled from the scarcity paradigm
[06:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, the webster's fallacy
[06:23:29] <AzumaHazuki> ah, the Nirvana fallacy again.
[06:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> without exchange.
[06:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> green energy is not post-scarcity. post-scarcity is being able to get whatever you want whenever you want.
[06:23:10] <AzumaHazuki> er, yes we have...? at this rate China's going to beat us to most of this out of sheer necessity of 1.5 billion mouths to feed
[06:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we have not.
[06:22:37] <AzumaHazuki> we have had most of the pieces since the 70s or before you know. oak ridge had a working thorium reactor. we have amazing solar panels. we have concentrating solar
[06:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it physically could not.
[06:22:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, that's your main problem. you think you know the future.
[06:22:05] <AzumaHazuki> it could. and it would but for greedheads and perverts and sociopaths who just want to watch the world burn
[06:21:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> post-scarcity will not happen in your lifetime or mine.
[06:21:27] <AzumaHazuki> there is no solution to this problem. the Gordian knot can only be cut, not untied
[06:21:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> then we all die.
[06:21:12] <AzumaHazuki> we have one chance, ONE, and that is to get post-scarcity tech going and widely available. we all die otherwise
[06:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> shades of gray
[06:20:54] <AzumaHazuki> his ideas cannot work
[06:20:50] <AzumaHazuki> I am no Marxist, Uzzard.
[06:20:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't either. you just try to get away with it by playing his song more softly.
[06:19:57] <AzumaHazuki> Marx commits the same fallacy you do but from the other side: he doesn't take human nature into account
[06:19:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's more or less accurate
[06:19:32] <AzumaHazuki> Marx was a natural born critic, and this is something i said upon reading him in 8th grade. that means he points out the issues but for fuck's sake don't ask for his advice
[06:19:28] <chromas> systemd is my government. Control everything
[06:19:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i have every faith marx meant well but he created an enormous force for evil
[06:18:43] <AzumaHazuki> and, Uzzard, I'm practically a hermit. i'm a left libertarian in exile. i also think the government should do the minimum...it's just that "the minimum"is a hell of a lot for a complex society
[06:18:06] <AzumaHazuki> then you have never truly studied history
[06:17:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i just think well-meaning asshats like you have done the most damage throughout the history of the world.
[06:17:43] <AzumaHazuki> you think you'd be lord of all creation if it weren't for taxes
[06:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sheep if you prefer.
[06:17:23] <AzumaHazuki> admit it, you think civilization's constraints are holding you back from being your best, don't you?
[06:17:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i see the human race as humans. you see them as pawns.
[06:17:06] <AzumaHazuki> and there's an undercurrent of teenage angst in there too, i can't help but notice. lots of "fuck you i won't do what you say"
[06:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> internet arguments are either fun or not had.
[06:16:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, still not mad.
[06:16:32] <AzumaHazuki> face it, Uzzard, you got mad and had a few Freudian slips there, and revealed to us all that you basically see the human race as a bunch of chimpanzees. your worldview is even worse than zero sum
[06:16:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, that's because you never actually listen to us. you might read the words but only so you can think up an argument.
[06:15:37] * NCommander throws a potion of gain ability at TheMightyBuzzard
[06:15:31] * TheMightyBuzzard waves at the boss
[06:15:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> relatively
[06:15:26] <AzumaHazuki> hilarious, that idea, from a guy whose entire lifestyle is based around fishing, masturbation, and roommates
[06:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i just got dumber
[06:15:16] * NCommander appears in a poof of smoke
[06:15:00] <AzumaHazuki> my hypothesis is they think they're being held back by the rest of society
[06:14:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless NCommander's here
[06:14:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i am the smartest guy in the room.
[06:14:42] <AzumaHazuki> these gibbertarian dickheads always think they're the smartest guy in the room...
[06:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> public office isn't required. voting for someone who implements authoritarian policies is all that's necessary
[06:14:28] <AzumaHazuki> his worldview is Lord of the Flies, and he thinks he's Johnny instead of Piggy
[06:14:07] <chromas> hilarious turn of phrase, though, "passing the conch"
[06:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's why they're necessary 'evils"
[06:13:56] <AzumaHazuki> wait, what? no, I just want to see basic common sense about human nature followed. i have no designs on public office
[06:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, but you have the hubris to think you should.
[06:13:36] <AzumaHazuki> Soooo, if "<+TheMightyBuzzard> you do every time you vote for a tax supporter, yes." then how do you propose to fund the "necessary evils" you mentioned?
[06:13:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you always change the subject.
[06:13:05] <AzumaHazuki> oh, I agree YOU shouldn't be making the choices. jesus fuck we'd end up passing the conch in a month
[06:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i've logically proven it before. you have never been able to refute it.
[06:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it boils down to me thinking human beings should be in charge of their own lives instead of me making their choices for them. you disagree.
[06:12:10] <AzumaHazuki> ohhhh lordy, here comes the crazy! alllll taxes are theft right? you've said that before!
[06:11:54] <AzumaHazuki> that's what you think you're saying. that's how you justify it. at the end of the day, your worldview boils down to chimp warfare
[06:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you do every time you vote for a tax supporter, yes.
[06:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're too bloody stupid to grok that though.
[06:11:26] <AzumaHazuki> oh, you fear me? :) you think i'm ever going to come and "take your shit?"
[06:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they do not. they come down to help others as best you can but don't let azuma take your shit and do it how she thinks it should be done.
[06:10:54] <AzumaHazuki> you don't have to say the literal words to be saying the concept, you autistic-screeching bawbag
[06:10:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> never once have i said fuck you, got mine unless quoting you.
[06:10:25] <AzumaHazuki> your worldview and your beliefs come down to you against the world, zero sum, everyone against everyone else. that is "fuck you got mine," "come and take it from me"
[06:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i did not.
[06:10:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> we ARE apes.
[06:09:56] <AzumaHazuki> you said it yourself
[06:09:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh please. you always fall back to that and it's never true. get a new line.
[06:09:44] <AzumaHazuki> you are trying to throw your own humanity away. this is how apes act
[06:09:23] <AzumaHazuki> you've shown yourself to be a complete moral nullity with the last 10 minutes of conversation or so, to begin with. Look what you were reduced to. revenge. "fuck you, got mine." "come and take it from me."
[06:09:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> pick whatever words you like. you believe they are either mentally or morally less than you and need your guidance.
[06:08:43] <AzumaHazuki> where did the term "evolved enough" come into it? stop putting words in other peoples' mouths
[06:08:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you say so every time you declare "you aren't evolved enough to properly allocate your assets, so i'm going to take them and do it for you".
[06:08:11] <AzumaHazuki> now you're just butthurt and spewing worse-than-strawmen
[06:07:58] <AzumaHazuki> ...what the fuck?
[06:07:51] <AzumaHazuki> whereas you, by your policies, implicitly believe ANYONE who suffers and can't avenge themselves (how primitive!) deserves it. THAT is thinking of people subhuman
[06:07:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you think everyone in the nation except you is sub-human for starters.
[06:07:26] <AzumaHazuki> Don't quit your day job for psychoanalysis. I think a bunch of individual people are subhuman
[06:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm a font of human decency compared to you. you think half the world is sub-human.
[06:06:53] <AzumaHazuki> God, you're full of shit
[06:06:45] <AzumaHazuki> that is a bare naked assertion and it takes a third grader 10 seconds to think of scenarios in which there is not, in fact, a way
[06:06:28] <AzumaHazuki> you lack imagination, to say nothing of basic human decency
[06:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> then you're not trying hard enough. there's always a way.
[06:05:52] <AzumaHazuki> and if you cannot "make the bastards pay?" On account of, for example, they own the entire system?
[06:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> one is a victim, the other isn't.
[06:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you get fucked over you either cry and join a support group or you solve the problem and make the bastards pay.
[06:05:04] <AzumaHazuki> ant-buggering, self-serving horseshit
[06:04:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> victimhood is the difference between embracing despair and taking responsibility for yourself going forward.
[06:04:04] <AzumaHazuki> i hear every word loud and clear, including the ones you yourself don't realize you're saying
[06:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you're not.
[06:03:53] <AzumaHazuki> oh, i'm listening all right
[06:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not even remotely listening, are you?
[06:03:43] <AzumaHazuki> now you're backpedaling and trying to mince words
[06:03:33] <AzumaHazuki> this proves it. all this shit you're talking is nothing more than your attempt to excuse your complete lack of morals and humanity
[06:03:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> being fucked over may not be but deciding to be a victim after you have been most certainly is.
[06:03:00] <AzumaHazuki> ...they lacked the informed consent to make that choice, Uzzard, that is the entire fucking point
[06:02:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> victimhood is a choice.
[06:02:21] <AzumaHazuki> tell me they were not "victimized." I don't give a fuck if the word hurts your feelings, it is the one that fits
[06:02:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty fucked up, what about it?
[06:02:04] <AzumaHazuki> so how about, for example, the people in the Tuskeegee Study? you know, the ones who were infected with syphilis without their consent?
[06:01:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's teaching them daddy government will make it all better.
[06:01:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's teaching people not to take responsibility for their own lives.
[06:01:27] <AzumaHazuki> aha, and there it is, the nub of your issue
[06:01:15] <AzumaHazuki> this is like probing an open wound with a stick...
[06:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> victimized? fuck that. that's a pussy word.
[06:01:06] <AzumaHazuki> you're replying, yes...but you're not actually answering
[06:00:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not remotely taking me apart. i'm answering everything you ask.
[06:00:37] <AzumaHazuki> and what good does that do for the people who were victimized? it's a single point of failure for them!
[06:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no single point of failure
[06:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it has very much to do with people. you break it apart into smaller areas of regulation so that if one gets fucked up and not to your liking, you can leave and go to another.
[06:00:11] <AzumaHazuki> look, we all know you're full of shit. i'm only taking you apart bit by bit so anyone following this mud wrestling match can see your essential malfunction, the crux of your disease
[05:59:43] <AzumaHazuki> you are one person. not all of them can. do not generalize
[05:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> the very poorest can also move. i have been the very poorest several times and moved during.
[05:59:12] <AzumaHazuki> your criteria are "crosses state lines or not." That has shit-all to do with people
[05:58:58] <AzumaHazuki> horse. shit.
[05:58:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> all people, not just the ones i like.
[05:58:49] <AzumaHazuki> no, they cannot. the very poorest would not be able to. they'd have nowhere to go and no means to leave anyway
[05:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i am putting people over ideology.
[05:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't have any reason to be fucked. they can leave.
[05:58:23] <AzumaHazuki> this is precisely what I mean about "moral priority inversion bugs." You are putting ideology over people.
[05:57:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> well you said they weren't being shipped to tn. that cuts out the feds.
[05:57:54] <AzumaHazuki> why should that one town be fucked?
[05:57:44] <AzumaHazuki> suppose they can't? suppose some greedhead controls enough of the food supply in that one town that everyone's exposed?
[05:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. that's a SC problem. if they don't like it, they know how to fix it.
[05:57:15] <AzumaHazuki> what is it about the knockon effects of air pollution you get but foodborne illness you don't?
[05:56:48] <AzumaHazuki> okay, but you have no issue with everyone in one town in, say, South Carolina, getting sick because of ratshit sausages as long as they're not being shipped to Tennessee?
[05:56:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/are/air/
[05:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> poison any are and who knows where the hell it's going
[05:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause the river crosses state lines
[05:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> poison the mississippi in missouri, it affects the folks down in louisana
[05:56:00] <AzumaHazuki> this is where we begin to part ways
[05:55:50] <AzumaHazuki> because Mammon forbid we infringe on someone's LIBERTY to make maximum profit
[05:55:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> on a federal level? only if state lines are crossed.
[05:55:22] <AzumaHazuki> so, no regulations about keeping radium out of the toothpaste and rat feces out of the sausage...?
[05:55:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's only hell to live in if you value comfort over liberty.
[05:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's really all the feds need to be doing though, and keeping things like tariffs between north and south carolina from becoming an issue.
[05:54:35] <AzumaHazuki> what point is there in keeping a government going, a society going, if it's hell to live in?
[05:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> okay, that's fairly obviously true. but, in the words of bad-voice-acting-dubbed Zero from Megaman X4, "WHATAMIFIGHTINGFORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAARRRRGH?!"
[05:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well who is these elected fuckwads up in DC. not a great system but any other is going to be worse.
[05:52:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if you don't have a military to keep your government unconquered, you don't get to keep that government.
[05:52:43] <AzumaHazuki> not even you believe that. and i said who, not what
[05:52:32] <AzumaHazuki> LOL
[05:52:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> logic primarily.
[05:52:03] <AzumaHazuki> who decides which evils are necessary? :)
[05:51:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> clue in darlin. see above re necessary evils. read the words.
[05:51:28] <AzumaHazuki> it's as clear as day. you say you protect it, no one else. what happens if you're up against someone stronger who wants your possessions?
[05:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i am saying it's my responsibility though.
[05:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i'm not. you're reading that in so you can have something to argue with.
[05:50:41] <AzumaHazuki> not to mention you're implicitly saying that if you can't protect what you decide if yours, you deserve to lose it
[05:50:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in a perfect world, yes. we don't live in one though, so necessary evils are going to have to happen. they should be minimized as much as possible though.
[05:49:54] <AzumaHazuki> the flip side of you saying that government is made of individuals and has no right to decide is that individuals are exactly as unworthy
[05:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the exact wrong question.
[05:49:32] <AzumaHazuki> who made you God?
[05:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i define what is mine. i protect that right. i'm also willing to chip in for a government to lend a hand there. evil but less so than the alternative.
[05:49:16] <AzumaHazuki> and more importantly, is it equally true in all cases of all possessions at all times that it is a greater moral good for you to have it than that someone else not suffer past a certain point?
[05:48:32] <AzumaHazuki> how do you define what is yours, and who protects that right?
[05:48:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you're still wrong. there is no magic number of people that makes taking what is not yours moral.
[05:48:03] <AzumaHazuki> one aspect of how they lived was "in small, close-knit communities"
[05:47:52] <AzumaHazuki> we've had this discussion before: free will decreases as group size increases
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[05:47:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a damned important word there.
[05:47:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> how they voluntarily lived you mean?
[05:47:01] <AzumaHazuki> and, er, you may wanna look into how exactly the Essenes and the Apostolic Christians actually lived...
[05:46:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Boeing’s Own Test Pilots Lacked Key Details Of 737 Max Flight-Control System - http://sylnt.us - no-need-to-no
[05:46:41] <AzumaHazuki> bingo again! he didn't say how or how not to do it, he said to do it
[05:46:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> jesus wasn't a socialist. he said take care of folks who need it but he didn't say take from others to do it.
[05:46:23] <AzumaHazuki> because she at least makes a capable ruler of Crystal Tokyo in the 3000s according to the comic book continuity
[05:45:55] <AzumaHazuki> i'm gonna friggin' write in Sailor Moon on the 2020 ballot at this rate
[05:45:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> not i
[05:45:41] <AzumaHazuki> Who says I'm going to vote Sanders?
[05:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's scamming you and you're blinding yourself to it.
[05:45:20] <AzumaHazuki> ...and of course, we all know what they did to the last socialist jew who said be good to the poor
[05:45:09] <AzumaHazuki> He's still Jesus Christ compared to the entire GOP and half the Democrats, notably, the corporate half
[05:44:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, there are probably three then. all of whom haven't been in office quite a year.
[05:44:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sanders? the millionaire socialist who got that way on government wages?
[05:44:35] <AzumaHazuki> careful with those hasty generalizations
[05:44:26] <AzumaHazuki> None? Anywhere? On any level? Not one?
[05:44:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are no redeemable politicians.
[05:44:12] <AzumaHazuki> i'd still rather see them all hang, with the possible exception of Sanders, of course...
[05:43:56] <AzumaHazuki> not how it works. there are still some redeemable people in that party, unlike the GOP since, say, 1981
[05:43:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> good start, now go one by one until you're not voting D anymore.
[05:43:08] <AzumaHazuki> he'll fry in hellfire with the rest of them
[05:43:01] <AzumaHazuki> and Byrd or Bird or whoever can go fuck himself
[05:42:47] <AzumaHazuki> again: you don't get to pretend it's still 1955
[05:42:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> democrats then. klan members then. democrats now.
[05:42:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do get to recognize former klan members in the dnc though
[05:42:01] <AzumaHazuki> you don't get to pretend it's still 1955
[05:41:52] <AzumaHazuki> who cares? the Dems and the GOP traded places with the Southern Strategy was implemented
[05:41:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oopsie
[05:41:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, how many former klan members are in the gop vs how many in the dnc?
[05:41:13] <AzumaHazuki> are you trying to make me die of laughter?
[05:41:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit no. the GOP don't invoke whiteness. they never have really. that was always a democrat thing.
[05:40:53] <AzumaHazuki> yeah you kinda backed yourself into a corner there, shitbird
[05:40:23] <AzumaHazuki> so it's okay when the GOP does it?
[05:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes even the GOP is right
[05:40:03] <AzumaHazuki> specifically the rural poor
[05:39:54] <AzumaHazuki> ...sounds a lot like what the GOP tells white folks, yeah
[05:39:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they believe it. and it becomes true.
[05:39:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> they tell them failure is their lot in life unless they vote $party
[05:39:35] <AzumaHazuki> the "democrats run the plantation" space was the last one i needed
[05:39:25] <AzumaHazuki> Bingo! That's my entire card filled out!
[05:39:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> bullshit. the only ones keeping races down today are the politicians claiming to help them.
[05:39:07] <AzumaHazuki> you are fucking diseased, Uzzard.
[05:38:57] <AzumaHazuki> and they're not calling for "life on a silver platter" either. that's a strawman and everyone knows it
[05:38:30] <AzumaHazuki> no, you sheltered fucking prick. marginalized TODAY as well
[05:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> historically marginilized = their grandparents or farther back had it shitty so they should be handed life on a silver platter instead of having to go through the pains everyone else does?
[05:37:41] <AzumaHazuki> identity politics is the antithesis to the thesis of segregation. you don't want identity politics, fix the underlying causes
[05:37:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> so is every last democratic politician and in fact any politician who speaks to people according to their skin color instead of as americans.
[05:37:08] <AzumaHazuki> like i said before: don't be surprised when a group historically marginalized and lumped together starts organizing along those lines
[05:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, it is. so is black lives matter.
[05:36:35] <AzumaHazuki> not speaking of you specifically, and you (specifically) know that
[05:36:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't marginalize anyone. nearly nobody does.
[05:36:14] <AzumaHazuki> and by that definition, white supremacy is the textbook definition of identity politics. hell, one group is even called "Christian IDENTITY"
[05:35:52] <AzumaHazuki> "identity politics" itself is a strawman. you do not marginalize entire groups based on skin color or language or religion and then get to act surprise when they organize along those lines
[05:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> support us because $foo is keeping you down!
[05:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> my entire ass. what do you think identity politics is all about?
[05:35:21] <AzumaHazuki> you don't know when to shut up and stop shooting yourself in the foot, do you?
[05:35:07] <AzumaHazuki> the "progressives" are not attempting to start a race war, dipshit
[05:34:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and while i may speak out against progressive racism, i will not say they should be silenced.
[05:34:36] <AzumaHazuki> ...aaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha! Yeah, fuck them, with their integration and their labor laws and all that fascist horseshit
[05:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> really? tell that to the democrats. they've been doing it for decades.
[05:33:56] <AzumaHazuki> the projection is incredible
[05:33:50] <AzumaHazuki> fuck you, no i have not. people can think whatever they want. they aren't allowed to start goddamn race wars with what they think
[05:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've long since chosen the former.
[05:33:24] <esainane> "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." -- H.L.Mencken
[05:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> again, you can either think you are qualified to control the thoughts others are allowed to think or you can realize that is epic hubris.
[05:32:54] <AzumaHazuki> it's the opposite of a threat. I am *not* evil and I don't actually hate you
[05:32:41] <AzumaHazuki> ...that's not a threat, you dumb bastard
[05:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you keep threatening me like that. do you think it scares me?
[05:32:27] <AzumaHazuki> disagreement is not hatred, not even at 90 dB
[05:32:00] <AzumaHazuki> if i were "horribly evil," Uzzard, we would not be having this conversation. You would be dead. If I actually hated you, rather than were just disgusted with you, you would be dead. You are such a fragile fucking whiny drama queen
[05:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can either think you are qualified to control the thoughts others are allowed to think or you can realize that is epic hubris.
[05:31:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you can not.
[05:31:07] <AzumaHazuki> you can "protect the scoundrels" without letting them recruit for their cause. and don't you even start with that shit, no one with three sparking neurons buys it
[05:30:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not on my level. you're much worse. you are in fact horribly evil.
[05:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. if you don't protect the scoundrels you're doing nothing but queueing up to be called a scoundrel yourself.
[05:30:29] <AzumaHazuki> don't fucking try and pretend I'm down on your level, shitbird
[05:29:56] <AzumaHazuki> and that should scare the shit out of any rational person
[05:29:49] <AzumaHazuki> if they disagree that, for example, putting kids in concentration camps is evil...then yes, i believe they have relinquished their human card. you don't.
[05:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> it doesn't with me
[05:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> exactly
[05:29:28] <AzumaHazuki> Depends on what they disagree over
[05:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're never going to trust my judgment. you see many people who simply disagree with you as evil and subhuman. i don't. neither of us are going to change.
[05:28:42] <AzumaHazuki> there are plenty of things i disagree with there. that's normal. you don't see me, for example, railing against people who like systemd and calling for THEM to be banned
[05:28:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> but much like you don't put razor wire and machine gun nests around your home to deter salesmen, you don't go controlling things that aren't being abused.
[05:28:08] <AzumaHazuki> no, we are not, Uzzard. and your continued insistence that we are is making me a lot less likely to trust your judgment
[05:27:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i'm prepared enough.
[05:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you say cesspool, i say people who say things you don't like. we're both talking about the same thing.
[05:27:06] <AzumaHazuki> that is surprisingly naive of you. "who would have peace, must prepare for war." you know better than that when you code, or at least i damn sure hope you do
[05:26:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> if something hasn't been exploited, there's no need to implement stronger controls. that's exercising power for the sake of exercising power.
[05:26:25] <AzumaHazuki> we are going to get the feds up our asses one of these days.
[05:26:07] <AzumaHazuki> and shove that "hurr hurr we're not gonna silence people who disagree with you" strawman up your ass sideways. i am not calling for censorship of people who i disagree with; i'm pointing out that this place is becoming a cesspool and the admins are letting it happen
[05:25:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh there are plenty. i won't go into details because that would make me have to fix them all next week instead of possibly never.
[05:24:57] <AzumaHazuki> your idea sounds good on the surface of it, but think a little more like the hard-boiled bastard we all know you to be: where are the logical errors and exploits in this system?
[05:24:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually there is a limit on posting from an ip. it's just not a terribly strict one.
[05:24:11] <AzumaHazuki> in particular, there is no real limit on AC posting, no limits on posts from a single IP or IP hash (though I know why), and the aforementioned problem of normal people never being able to beat a fanatic head on
[05:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i think twelve or so. all roads that involve controlling thought lead nowhere good. not ever.
[05:23:19] <AzumaHazuki> in the event you're serious, let me point out that your problem is an inability to think more than one or two moves ahead
[05:22:50] <AzumaHazuki> Aaaaahahahahaha, riiiight.
[05:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, if you mean we're not going to clamp down on anyone you disagree with, you're correct. it's every human's innate right to be as bloody stupid and wrong as they care to be. the only thing we're after is giving every individual the same size soapbox.
[04:40:54] <AzumaHazuki> look, janrinok told me it's up to the community to police the discussion. problem is, we don't really have the tools to, a normal person is never going to outlast a fanatic, we have no defense against a flash mob, and the powers that be don't seem to givea shit. this place is immunocompromised and just waiting to be assimilated
[04:39:10] <AzumaHazuki> :|
[04:38:53] <AzumaHazuki> the thought had crossed my mind, yes
[04:38:32] <chromas> Would you say he's on a...Nordic track?
[04:38:00] <AzumaHazuki> he didn't want to use the code word "Nordics" or "Aryans" because that would give the game away too fast
[04:37:25] <AzumaHazuki> and you know what? he more or less dodged it completely, though he did say his version of "white" included "Northern Europeans" only
[04:37:13] <Sulla> Yeah it was good
[04:37:04] <AzumaHazuki> Yeah, that's a point i brought up in my first answer to that guy
[04:36:46] <Sulla> White supremacy doesn't make sense because as soon as they aren't arguing about people on the outside they are arguing about the Irish or the poles
[04:36:07] <Sulla> Was what I meant
[04:36:04] <Sulla> >Seems like something I would agree on
[04:35:42] <AzumaHazuki> that's a strawman and you know very well it is
[04:35:36] <AzumaHazuki> oh shut up with that bullshit
[04:35:23] <chromas> oh you're correct. Everyone on the right is a white supremacist.
[04:35:01] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, it kind of is :/
[04:34:49] <AzumaHazuki> 23:29 < Sulla> The insane ones on the right are over reacting because they are being told that any interest in their past is wrong
[04:34:37] <chromas> To be fair, that's not at all what he said or implied
[04:34:16] <AzumaHazuki> Then drop that "oh the poor white supremacists are just upset because their specific national and ethnic cultures are being dumped on." That's not true.
[04:33:27] <Sulla> Already agreed it didn't above
[04:33:13] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla, a monolithic "white culture" does. Not. Exist. Not 100 years ago, several of the groups our modern neo-Nazis would lump together as "white" were at each others' throats and would slit anyone else's who suggested they were essentially the same
[04:32:20] <chromas> tds
[04:32:19] <AzumaHazuki> maybe because, newsflash, VIRTUALLY NO ONE AT ALL AND DEFINITELY NO ONE SANE HAS A PROBLEM WITH SWEDISH MEATBALLS, IKEA, OR THE FEAST OF ST. LUCIA!
[04:31:55] <AzumaHazuki> hmm, i wonder why the fuck that might be...?
[04:31:44] <Sulla> Trying to find a non-local example, hard to look when every word you Google brings up trump
[04:31:37] <AzumaHazuki> i said bork, not Bjork
[04:31:17] <chromas> Hey now, you can't just go around using the b-word like that
[04:30:49] <AzumaHazuki> ...thought so. so we can consider that line of argumentation bork-bork-bork'd
[04:28:43] <AzumaHazuki> name me one example you have seen where someone specifically tells you your Swedish heritage is a problem
[04:28:18] <Sulla> Maybe it's not a big thing in your neck of the woods, but what I described is common on the west coast
[04:27:21] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla, there are days I despair of you ever being redeemable :/ you ought to know better, you're smart enough to know better, and yet you habitually drop trou and splatter us all with this maliciously ignorant squitter
[04:26:24] <AzumaHazuki> no they're not, jackass. actually listen to what they say and what they're trying for. no one says it's wrong to celebrate Swedish, German, Polish culture. these people are making some mythical monolothic "white culture" up
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[04:25:59] <Sulla> So then you have a tit for tat back and forth with both sides escalating
[04:25:43] <Sulla> The insane ones on the right are over reacting because they are being told that any interest in their past is wrong
[04:25:36] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla, do you see the difference between "taking pride in my Swedish heritage" and white nationalism? if you do not, if you would even think to compare the two, then guess fuckin' what? you are a useful idiot for the alt-right
[04:25:07] <Sulla> Is not racist *
[04:25:03] <AzumaHazuki> ...jesus fucking Christ
[04:25:00] <chromas> Yes
[04:24:35] <Sulla> If I come from a town in the midwest that is 80% ethnic swede, and we have had for 80 years a yearly swede festival. Am I racist for saying that wanting to continue is racist? I am not saying the town should be kept 80% swede, I am just saying I want to still have the festival, is that wrong?
[04:24:15] <AzumaHazuki> now i know i'm the modern-day Cassandra, so no one's gonna fuckin' listen, and then everyone's gonna act all surprised and go "Oh if only someone had warned us!"
[04:23:35] <AzumaHazuki> word gets around
[04:23:31] <AzumaHazuki> let the record show this here and now: I am warning you all, SN is going to get hollowed out and its violated corpse used as another weapon in the alt-right's culture war if we do not crack down on this shit
[04:22:59] <chromas> I didn't look at the rest of the thread
[04:22:37] <AzumaHazuki> so he's been shitting the thread up and then gives up on any semblance of even pretending to argue, but that doesn't count as spamming...
[04:22:27] <chromas> nobody said it has to be exactly the same, but if it is, then it would be warranted
[04:22:22] <Sulla> But I think variations should count as spam
[04:22:06] <Sulla> It's always been that way
[04:21:56] <Sulla> Seems like something I would agree on
[04:21:54] <AzumaHazuki> oh so now it has to be an exact goddamn multiple-post?
[04:21:37] <chromas> If he's pasting it multiple times, I'd think the spam mod is warranted
[04:18:50] <AzumaHazuki> also, Sulla? If you tell me that shit isn't "behavior of a white supremacist" it will serve you right if your small intestine jumps up and strangles you from within for that kind of blatant lying
[04:17:10] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments ( https://soylentnews.org )
[04:17:09] <AzumaHazuki> and at this point he devolves into actual spamming, just copypasting the declaration of independence...https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=31370&page=3&cid=838641#commentwrap
[04:15:56] <AzumaHazuki> that is some kind of speed record. not even Uzzard sinks that low that fast
[04:15:41] <AzumaHazuki> notice in particular his record-breaking fall into "I know you are but what am I?"
[04:14:49] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments ( https://soylentnews.org )
[04:14:47] <AzumaHazuki> er, oops. here https://soylentnews.org
[04:14:25] <upstart> ^ 03Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location And Web History - SoylentNews
[04:14:23] <AzumaHazuki> start from here https://soylentnews.org and just chase this guy down the subthreads. note particularly how quickly he dissolves into pathetic asshattery when i start tarpitting him
[04:10:45] <Sulla> Can you give an example of what posts you consider to be just over the line from being "behavior I hate" and "behavior of a Nazi" or "behavior of a white supremacist". I know what that line is for aristarchus, but I don't know where it is for you
[03:55:13] <AzumaHazuki> i don't doubt now that SN is seen as a target for alt-right influence campaigns, and one with a uniquely weak immune system at that
[03:54:17] <Fnord666_> yawn
[03:53:48] <AzumaHazuki> and you know, the fact that the staff doesn't do anything about this shit reflects very badly on them. i am beginning to wonder if this place serves any purpose any longer
[03:53:10] <AzumaHazuki> he's gone into overdrive
[03:52:57] <Sulla> Azumahazuki are people still posting in the thread from days ago or is there some new thread it's happening in?
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[02:36:24] <AzumaHazuki> So, can I Spam mod that nutso white nationalist who's shitposting all over, or does that not count?
[01:36:40] <chromas> And those Koreans doing all our animations
[01:36:24] <chromas> Okay, it's not all natural, but it's mostly the Chinese we outsource all out manufacturing to
[01:35:30] <chromas> goalposts_moving.mpg
[01:35:20] <chromas> global warm is real, it's just all natural
[01:09:40] <AzumaHazuki> WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!
[01:09:33] <AzumaHazuki> global warming isn't real, you commie pinko liberal Muslim Jew Mexican socialist terrorist
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[00:27:47] * Deucalion sneaks in and rests by the fire