#Soylent | Logs for 2019-05-03
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[00:06:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Instagram Helps Top Artists Boost Earnings - http://sylnt.us - for-certain-levels-of-top
[00:20:12] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Was away for a bit today and now see you are back... how'd the interview go?
[00:20:54] <AzumaHazuki> went well, but there are other candidates than me for this position, so i'm assuming i won't get it
[00:21:07] <AzumaHazuki> with my luck they'll be young university grads with biology degrees
[00:21:15] <Bytram> that sounds... postively negative
[00:21:37] <Bytram> cheaper does not necessarily mean more cost effective
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[00:22:43] <AzumaHazuki> things have kept going so wrong for me for so long i don't know any other way to be. this pharmacy thing utterly blindsided me, at least, the why of it. i knew it was coming, just not why
[00:23:06] <AzumaHazuki> if i'd known that place was in the middle of essentially a civil war i'd never have accepted the offer in the first place
[00:23:19] <Bytram> sadly, there are some things in life where I can only conclude: sense no makes.
[00:23:26] <Bytram> at least for now.
[00:23:46] <Bytram> I'm open to the idea that things may look different many years from now.
[00:23:50] <Bytram> oops,,, gtg
[00:24:20] <RandomFactor> I'm rather cynical about how things will look many years from now. But i would be happy to be wrong. Hasta.
[00:27:59] <Bytram> I've had circumstances that took over 20 years for me to be in a situation where my prior conclusions, though valid from the information I had at *that* time, in lieu of new circumstances gave me a different perspective.
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[01:12:08] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: FYI: Spam mods have been reversed and spam moderator has been spoken with. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
[01:13:02] <AzumaHazuki> who was the one modding Ari spam? Uzzard seemed to have no issue with it and even told him he was spamming
[01:13:11] <AzumaHazuki> because if it was him, we have a serious problem here
[01:13:18] <AzumaHazuki> admins cannot do that shit
[01:14:04] <Bytram> Let me just assure you that I have directly communicated with the spam-modder and made aware that future abuses will not be ignored and will result in a ban.
[01:17:31] <Bytram> Nobody, and I mean nobody, staff or otherwise, is above the rules.
[01:18:22] <AzumaHazuki> who was it, please? because i keep suspecting it was Uzzard and he has both motive and circumstantial evidence in the form of that post pointing to him
[01:18:23] <Bytram> Do note: We are human, though, and in the heat of the moment may forget... but then it is incumbent upon us to set things right
[01:18:45] <Bytram> We do not publicize who mods whom.
[01:19:29] <Bytram> And nobody is above a moderation ban. I made that abundantly clear.
[01:19:34] <AzumaHazuki> i'll just have to go assuming it was him then
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[01:21:51] <AzumaHazuki> and, Bytram, we are starting to have a real problem with the alt-right here. did you see that link i posted before?
[01:22:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, go for it. it's an accurate assumption. i still say he was spamming his ass off but Bytram's absolutely right that it wasn't covered in the guidelines.
[01:22:45] <AzumaHazuki> so it was you then? jesus, you ought to know better especially after you personally modbanned ME for doing that to RDT
[01:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> rdt did no such thing. ari got my mods for something quite specific.
[01:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> he posted multiple, top-level comments, as ac so it looks like consensus and pushes actual discussion farther down the page to keep it from being seen as easily.
[01:24:54] <chromas> I thought the proper action in that case was to post "samefag"
[01:25:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have modded him the same if he were saying how awesome catfishing is.
[01:25:16] <Bytram> To which I counter, mod as Troll or Flamebait, set a threshold, and move on.
[01:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, naw. not our place to out him. he did it himself though so...
[01:25:43] <chromas> do it as ac
[01:26:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't post as ac
[01:26:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> like ever
[01:27:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> so Bytram was absolutely correct that this specific method of spamming isn't covered in the guidelines but i very much believe it should be. technique not content.
[01:27:36] <Bytram> Digging up some old neurons, we did have some talk about giving a Unique ID of some kind -- within a single story -- to distinguish ACs. Each story has a new set of unique IDs.
[01:27:50] <Bytram> AC1, AC2, AC3...
[01:27:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i still like that idea
[01:27:57] <Bytram> =)
[01:28:35] <Bytram> "Strive to understand your problem, don't try to solve it. A fully-stated problem embodies its solution."
[01:29:32] <Bytram> ^^^ read that 35 years ago and have tried to live by that guidance ever since... hasn't let me down, yet.
[01:29:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ima go ahead and mod ban myself for a month. anyone have any objections?
[01:30:15] <Bytram> is that the standard duration for this case?
[01:30:25] <Bytram> ISTR 1 month and then 6 months?
[01:30:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> 30 days or a month, i forget
[01:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima just add a month to the date cause fuck math
[01:31:08] <Bytram> that'll work.
[01:32:51] <Bytram> so, until: 2019-06-02
[01:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't personally think i deserve one but it's better to hold staff to an impeccable standard.
[01:33:52] <Bytram> Sounds like a chicken that lost its beak. Im-peck-able.
[01:34:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly an armor-plated worm
[01:34:26] <Bytram> And, I agree with the reasoning, too.
[01:34:32] <Bytram> ROFL!
[01:34:49] <Bytram> Or, maybe something from... Dune?
[01:35:07] <Bytram> What were those things called?
[01:35:41] <Bytram> Why can't I remember? It's only been 40 years since I read it!
[01:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> sand worms
[01:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> they had fancy made-up names too but i ain't gonna remember it
[01:36:24] <Bytram> =g Novel Dune Sand worms
[01:36:25] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org(Dune) - Sandworm (Dune) - Wikipedia
[01:36:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, it's 20m till bedtime and i haven't eaten today. gonna solve both of those.
[01:36:53] * Bytram just checked and can confirm the mod-ban was put in plave.
[01:37:02] <Bytram> s/plave/place/
[01:37:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> good cause i dunno where plave is
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[01:38:25] <Bytram> =g plave
[01:38:26] <upstart> https://www.urbandictionary.com - Urban Dictionary: Plave
[01:38:37] <Bytram> o_O Orly?
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[01:41:35] <Bytram> br e ak time.
[01:45:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fecal Transplants May be Best Answer to Antibiotic-Resistant Bacteria - http://sylnt.us - transplant-what?
[01:46:09] <chromas> from the shitpost dept
[01:48:45] <AzumaHazuki> from the eat shit and live? dept
[01:50:36] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++
[01:50:36] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 13
[01:52:19] <Bytram> I was *this* close to that applying to me just over two years ago. In the hospital for 6 days getting IVs for Vancomycin and Uni-something
[01:52:45] <AzumaHazuki> yiiikes...
[01:53:16] <Bytram> After three days, the infection started advancing further. They had to up the dose of *both* of them.`
[01:53:34] <Bytram> Took a couple of months before my arm started to look normal again.
[01:53:44] <Bytram> cellulitis--
[01:53:44] <Bender> karma - cellulitis: -1
[01:54:01] <chromas> is there a cellulosis?
[01:54:17] <chromas> or celluliasis?
[01:54:30] <Bytram> halitosis?
[01:55:23] <chromas> Learning the old languages is too much work to find out which suffixes are used where
[01:55:44] <Bytram> =g cellulitis
[01:55:45] <upstart> https://www.mayoclinic.org - Cellulitis - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic
[01:55:46] <chromas> For example, why isn't there geonomy?
[01:56:14] <Bytram> in relation to?
[01:56:29] <chromas> geo
[01:56:56] <chromas> There's astrology and astronomy. Geology but no geonomy
[01:57:21] <chromas> I guess I need to invent it and get some federal grants to do whatever it is
[01:57:22] <Bytram> "logy" comes from ancient Greek: Logos
[01:57:47] <Bytram> means, roughly, "study of"
[01:58:11] <Bytram> hmmmm,
[01:58:27] <Bytram> https://etymonline.com
[01:58:29] <upstart> ^ 03Online Etymology Dictionary ( https://www.etymonline.com )
[01:59:08] <chromas> >:(
[01:59:20] <Bytram> https://www.etymonline.com
[01:59:21] <upstart> ^ 03astorology
[01:59:24] <chromas> their search field is dark gray but so is the text inside it
[01:59:39] <Bytram> try again: https://www.etymonline.com
[01:59:40] <upstart> ^ 03astrology ( https://www.etymonline.com )
[02:01:01] <Bytram> astrology (n.)
[02:01:01] <Bytram> late 14c., "calculation and foretelling based on observation of heavenly bodies," from Latin astrologia "astronomy, the science of the heavenly bodies," from Greek astrologia "astronomy," literally "a telling of the stars," from astron "star" (from PIE root *ster- (2) "star") + -logia "treating of" (see -logy).
[02:01:01] <Bytram> Originally identical with astronomy and including scientific observation and description. The special sense of "astronomy applied to prediction of events" was divided into natural astrology "the calculation and foretelling of natural phenomenon" (tides, eclipses, dates of Church festivals, etc.), and judicial astrology "the art of judging occult influences of stars and planets on human affairs."
[02:01:10] <Bytram> In Latin and later Greek, astronomia tended to be more scientific than astrologia. In English, the differentiation between astrology and astronomy began late 1400s and by late 17c. this word was limited to the sense of "reading influences of the stars and their effects on human destiny."
[02:01:52] <Bytram> https://www.etymonline.com
[02:01:53] <upstart> ^ 03astronomy
[02:04:12] <chromas> + nomos "arranging, regulating; rule, law,"
[02:04:36] <chromas> But it's just studying. sounds like they didn't know how to use their own language! Checkmate!
[02:05:28] <Bytram> 55 entries found
[02:05:28] <Bytram> astronomy (n.)
[02:05:28] <Bytram> c. 1200, "astronomy, astrology, scientific or occult study of heavenly bodies," from Old French astrenomie "astronomy, astrology," from Latin astronomia, from Greek astronomia, abstract noun from astronomos, literally "star-regulating," from astron "star" (from PIE root *ster- (2) "star") + nomos "arranging, regulating; rule, law," from PIE root *nem- "assign, allot; take." Perhaps originally with reference to mapping the constellations
[02:05:28] <Bytram> or movements of planets.
[02:07:48] <Bytram> Both pertained to the tracking of the stars and planets, but astrology ascribed paranormal(?) meaning to it, whereas astronomy stuck to their motions and, later, how they were created, "lived", and "died"
[02:17:13] <Sulla> What's wrong with a logged in user posting as ac?
[02:30:35] <Bytram> Sulla: nothing... that's why it is an option when you go to post a comment.
[02:30:47] <Bytram> [ ] post anonymously
[02:31:04] <Sulla> if I'm going to make a good point I do it as ac so it stands on its own merits
[02:31:35] <Sulla> As Thomas Paine did with Common Sense
[02:31:41] <Bytram> I look at it as... conveying information
[02:31:50] <AzumaHazuki> i don't ever post AC
[02:31:53] <Bytram> there are times when a comment should stand on its own
[02:31:55] <Sulla> Course he also didn't want to get dead
[02:32:08] <Bytram> well, actually all *shoul*
[02:32:12] <Bytram> *should*
[02:32:40] <Sulla> AC is better. Let's things be of their own merit. Ideas shine, personalities do not
[02:32:55] <Bytram> otoh, there are times when I find it helpful to lend a little more "weight" to the discussion and.or to tone down the discussion, and then it is more useful to do so with my nick
[02:33:31] <Sulla> Funny, Amazon skips season 1 ep 13 of brady bunch that talks about measles like a joke
[02:34:18] * Bytram notices the time.
[02:34:23] <Bytram> oi.
[02:34:52] <Bytram> should be getting to bed. Have several busy days at work ahead.
[02:36:07] <Sulla> Have a good one. I should do the same but watching Brady bunch with the kids
[02:36:24] <Sulla> Getting ready for a month long "vacation"
[02:36:30] <Sulla> So lots of 10 hour days to prepate
[02:36:30] <Bytram> except... there are only 3 stories in the story queue, won't get us anywhere near through the night.
[02:36:40] <Sulla> I'll go lookin
[02:37:51] <Sulla> unsure on source validity, but interesting
[02:37:53] <Sulla> https://m.greenwichtime.com
[02:37:55] <upstart> ^ 03Chinese database is tracking cellphone usage, car location and even electricity usage of Xinjiang residents
[02:39:11] <Bytram> let me rephrase that... there's a bunch of stories in the submission queue (for editors to poke at), but only 3 in the story queue (where poked-at stories are scheduled for release)
[02:39:36] <Bytram> and now there's 4
[02:39:38] <chromas> the sub hole needs a new name. It's not really a queue
[02:39:52] <chromas> I'll poke at it in a bit
[02:40:17] <Bytram> chromas: could you please push out the Peter Mayhew story? It is a bit time-sensitive
[02:40:50] <Bytram> or, when you get around to it, just slot it in around: 2019/05/03 09:24:00
[02:41:46] <Sulla> who is Peter mayhem
[02:41:51] <AzumaHazuki> Chewie
[02:42:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:42:10] <Sulla> As in the most inferior Star X series?
[02:43:33] <Bytram> "space opera"
[02:43:42] <Sulla> https://abc13.com
[02:43:43] <upstart> ^ 03Neck cracking caused 28-year-old man to suffer a stroke, doctor says
[02:45:10] <Sulla> Add that to my list of irrational fears along with the snapple cap telling me I eat spiders in my sleep
[02:45:59] <Bytram> free protein!
[02:46:14] * Bytram bets you didn't see that one coming
[02:46:27] <chromas> Time sensitive? Is he about to have been 75?
[02:46:45] <Bytram> no, but the newsof his passing was released jsut recently
[02:47:35] <Sulla> Was annoyed when spock died and was bitching about copd and how smoking ruined his life. He already outlived the average US lifespan and got to enjoy sweet sweet nicotine
[02:48:17] <Bytram> and gasping for breath for his last several years
[02:48:43] <chromas> that's because he saw the new star wars
[02:49:42] <Sulla> At least he lived long enough to see the thing he was most famous for written out of star trek official timeline for a shitty m.bay movie
[02:50:38] <Sulla> He wasn't a dumb guy, he knew the risks, he smoked anyways.
[02:50:51] <Bytram> =g BGP
[02:50:52] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Border Gateway Protocol - Wikipedia
[02:51:03] <Sulla> I don't understand nicotine addiction
[02:51:15] <chromas> =yt baysplosion
[02:51:16] <upstart> https://youtube.com - Michael Bay Presents: Explosions! | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim (41)
[02:51:27] <Sulla> I can smoke three cigars a day for a month, like 3 packs a day of nicotine, then not smoke for two months with no effect
[02:51:37] <Sulla> Is it really that hard to not nicotine?
[02:51:57] <Sulla> Michael Bay did terrible to star trek
[02:52:05] <Bytram> stopping is one thing... *staying* stopped is another.
[02:57:45] <Sulla> Guess that makes sense
[03:04:17] <Bytram> chromas++ thank you!
[03:04:18] <Bender> karma - chromas: 256
[03:04:30] <Bytram> overflow error
[03:05:51] <Bytram> chromas: oh, I have 3 other stories in the subs queue that *should be* just review and release.
[03:06:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Charged With Running ‘Shadow Banking’ Service for Crypto Exchanges - http://sylnt.us - but-is-it-real-theft?
[03:09:32] <Sulla> >if you have to get sick, nothing beats the measles
[03:09:40] <Sulla> >no medicine, inside or out
[03:11:09] <Bytram> okay, that's another story done.
[03:12:49] <Bytram> will have to do at this point.
[03:13:19] <Bytram> have a great night everyone!
[03:13:22] <Bytram> .awy
[03:24:36] <fnord666_> gnight Bytram
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[04:46:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What Makes a Planet Habitable? - http://sylnt.us - Drake-Equation
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[06:26:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hives With Over Half-Million Bees Burned and Drowned in Brazoria County, Tx. - http://sylnt.us - these-are-varroa-bad-people;-why-can't-they-bee-nice?
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[06:39:40] <exec> welcome SirFinkus: Olympia, WA, 7°C/45°F, 11:39 pm PDT, Thursday, 2 May 2019
[06:55:39] <FatPhil> ~weather
[06:55:46] <exec> 10Tallinn, Harju County, Estonia - currently 34°F / 1°C, cloudy, wind W at 16 mph, humidity 69% - Friday cloudy (27°F:40°F / -3°C:4°C), Saturday showers (33°F:49°F / 1°C:9°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (32°F:50°F / 0°C:10°C), Monday partly cloudy (37°F:52°F / 3°C:11°C)
[06:55:55] <FatPhil> fucking snowed on me as I walked home from the pub last night
[07:57:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Arsenic Breathing Microbes Found in Oxygen-Poor Ocean Depths - http://sylnt.us - I'll-hold-my-breath-until-my-face-isn't-blue
[09:36:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chewbacca Actor Peter Mayhew From ‘Star Wars’ Dies at 74 - http://sylnt.us - Chewieeeee!
[09:38:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.buzzfeednews.com
[09:38:18] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[09:38:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> 🦆WAT.
[09:38:43] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[09:42:05] <chromas> https://www.emojicode.org
[09:42:06] <upstart> ^ 03Emojicode
[09:42:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah I was trying to put a duck emoji followed by "WAT" in the submit but I fucked it up
[09:42:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> too late now
[09:42:49] <chromas> You can sub it again
[09:43:03] <chromas> But you should still click that link
[09:43:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> also too early now; I don't want to clean litterboxes then take a shower then go to work.
[09:43:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh....that sounds awful.
[09:43:39] * AndyTheAbsurd closes tab
[09:45:30] <chromas> 🥆
[09:45:46] <chromas> oh this is a good one 🥪
[09:46:55] <chromas> [🥪]++
[09:46:55] <Bender> karma - [🥪]: 1
[09:51:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> {}+[]--
[09:52:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> []+{}--
[09:52:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> doesn't like either of those, eh?
[09:52:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> (It's funny what the difference between the two is in javascript.)
[09:52:46] <chromas> (It's funny what the difference between the two is in javascript.)++
[09:52:46] <Bender> karma - (it's funny what the difference between the two is in javascript.): 1
[09:52:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> ][++
[09:53:12] <chromas> (oYo)++
[09:53:12] <Bender> karma - (oyo): 3
[09:53:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> dammit. the karm of ][ should be 2, since that was used on some Apple 2 systems.
[09:54:15] <chromas> (][)++
[09:54:15] <Bender> karma - (][): 1
[09:54:25] <chromas> [)(]--
[09:54:25] <Bender> karma - [)(]: -1
[10:03:21] <chromas> firefox-- # why use the cache when you can just reload the page when using the back button on a completely static page with no javascript?
[10:03:21] <Bender> karma - firefox: -21
[10:46:58] <FatPhil> (o)(o)++
[10:47:09] <FatPhil> something's very wrong
[11:11:18] <Bytram> ((o)(o))++
[11:11:38] <Bytram> (this is a test)++
[11:11:38] <Bender> karma - (this is a test): 1
[11:11:43] <Bytram> ???
[11:11:56] <Bytram> coffee++ Much more important!!
[11:11:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4746
[11:18:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Measles Case on Cruise Ship Leads to Quarantine in St. Lucia - http://sylnt.us - problem-with-close-quarters
[11:48:34] <Bytram> time to get ready for work... up up and awaaaaay!
[11:48:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> I just got to work a few minutes ago.
[12:47:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What is 768K Day, and Will It Cause Internet Outages? - http://sylnt.us - living-on-the-edge
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[14:26:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Went Undetected in Citrix's Internal Network for Six Months - http://sylnt.us - where's-waldo
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[15:03:45] <cmn32480> coffee++
[15:03:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4747
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[15:56:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Qualcomm Will Pocket Almost $5 Billion from Apple Settlement this Quarter - http://sylnt.us - chump-change
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[15:59:49] <chromas> Five dollars billion
[16:03:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> $5,000,000,000
[16:07:01] <chromas> Shouldn't it be gigadollars? Where's the metric?
[16:08:10] <chromas> 5 gigamoneys
[16:25:34] <AzumaHazuki> hmm...do you think i should go for a more masculine look during interviews? I'm pretty far into the femme side, and it's the only time i wear makeup
[16:25:44] <AzumaHazuki> but am wondering if a pantsuit may be a better idea than a dress
[16:26:06] <AzumaHazuki> ...doesn't really match super-long hair though. that look usually goes with a close bob
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[16:27:14] <Sulla> ~contribute https://www.bloomberg.com
[16:27:17] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[16:27:56] <AzumaHazuki> ...jesus fuck, PIGS can catch it?!
[16:28:21] <cmn32480> not that different from people
[16:28:49] <Sulla> i think the title is kinda fake newsy
[16:28:51] <Sulla> "african swine flu"
[16:29:01] <Sulla> correction, swine fever
[16:29:01] <cmn32480> that is why they are often used as human analogues in med schools, and other persuits
[16:29:35] <AzumaHazuki> i knew that much, but i didn't think they were close enough to be affected by this one...
[16:29:54] <AzumaHazuki> with hindsight, though, Ebola is a fairly simple virus and its MoA is a glycoprotein.
[16:32:13] <Sulla> https://www.baltimoresun.com
[16:32:14] <upstart> ^ 03More bald eagles found dead on Maryland's Eastern Shore as authorities struggle to solve 'systemic' poisonings
[16:32:37] <Sulla> people using poison to kill "pets animals" rather than the cheaper method of paying a redneck with beer
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[16:32:45] <Sulla> pest*
[16:35:31] <Sulla> https://www.forbes.com
[16:35:34] <upstart> ^ 03Bubonic Plague Kills Couple, Quarantines Tourist Flight And Causes Border Chaos ( https://www.forbes.com )
[16:36:16] <AzumaHazuki> Marmot. Thought so. For some reason those things contain bubonic plague
[16:36:43] <Sulla> I think gophers are carriers here in the states
[16:37:13] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, 's why we switched off gopher and onto http
[16:39:09] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.anandtech.com from the ideapads-but-with-higher-margins dept.
[16:39:11] <upstart> Submitting "Lenovo Readies New ThinkBook Family of Laptops"...
[16:39:33] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Lenovo Readies New ThinkBook Family of Laptops" -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:39:46] <Sulla> "The large drop in black-footed ferret numbers began during the 1800s through to the 1900s, as prairie dog numbers declined because of control programs and the conversion of prairies to croplands. Sylvatic plague, a disease caused by Yersinia pestis introduced into North America, also contributed to the prairie dog die-off, though ferret numbers declined proportionately more than their prey, thus indicating other factors may have been responsible. Plague was
[16:39:56] <AzumaHazuki> (this may come off as too much advertisement and not enough news so feel free to drop it...just trying to counter the recent crapflood we're having)
[16:39:57] <Sulla> 2006–2007. Nevertheless, plague was proven in ferrets in May 2008. Since then each year 12,000 acres of their Conata Basin habitat is dusted and about 50–150 ferrets are immunized with plague vaccine
[16:40:04] <Sulla> found that interesting, from the black footed ferret wiki
[16:40:30] <AzumaHazuki> the world belongs to micro-organisms. we're just along for the ride
[16:41:05] <Sulla> bought a new t51 in college, still the most reliable laptop i have ever used
[16:41:28] <Sulla> Am a fan of the modern latitude line from dell, but the non-removable battery makes me unable to buy them
[16:41:39] * AzumaHazuki hugs her old T440s...got it used for $200, it's still chugging
[16:41:57] <Sulla> Nice
[16:43:20] <AzumaHazuki> of course i've had to put like $150 of upgrades into it over 5 years (fhd screen, 12GB RAM, small mSATA SSD) but it's been entirely worth it :)
[16:43:27] <AzumaHazuki> runs Artix Linux like a champ
[16:44:18] <AzumaHazuki> i've got a pretty OSX-like setup with Xfce, Plank, and the Vala Panel's Xfce appmenu plugin
[16:46:31] <Sulla> Never once used an apple product or computer
[16:46:58] <Sulla> I remember them being fisher price looking back in high school and never looking twice
[16:47:04] <AzumaHazuki> OS X has some interesting workflow possibilities with the dock and some nice aesthetics. it's just that everything else about it sucks
[16:47:12] <AzumaHazuki> thankfully, you can have what you want out of Linux :)
[16:47:24] <chromas> Artix looks pretty good, but without Systemd, who will keep instantly remounting my filesystem when I umount it?
[16:47:39] <AzumaHazuki> i actually specialize in mimicking other OS shells...i've got a lot of themes on opendesktop.org under the name "Hazuki" for that purpose
[16:47:45] <AzumaHazuki> including XP and Win2K themes for LXQt
[16:47:51] <Sulla> I tried to learn the linux when I got out of college, but kids killed my ability to spend time learning so I just stopped using a desktop
[16:47:54] <AzumaHazuki> ...which means LXQt now has exactly 2 themes worth using ;)
[16:47:58] <chromas> Anything for KDE?
[16:48:15] <AzumaHazuki> not at the moment, can't get the hang of inkscape...
[16:48:23] <Sulla> mmm win2k theme
[16:48:40] <AzumaHazuki> LXQt's QSS stylesheets are surprisingly flexible.
[16:48:55] <AzumaHazuki> https://www.opendesktop.org
[16:48:58] <upstart> ^ 03Why2K
[16:49:58] <AzumaHazuki> https://www.opendesktop.org
[16:50:00] <upstart> ^ 03eXperience-LXQt
[16:52:01] <chromas> The start button in XP looks squishy and I always wanted to quish it with my thumb, but now that touch screens have taken off, it's just an EGA graphic now.
[16:54:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> "The start button in XP looks squishy" ... I've always used Windows Classic theme where available, it makes everything look Win 95/98-ish.
[16:55:35] <AzumaHazuki> mimicking that start button exactly is probably impossible...i got close though
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[17:14:25] <AzumaHazuki> At some point i want to make original designs. it seems my skill is in replication rather than originals...this needs to change
[17:18:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> AzumaHazuki: don't forget that sucking at a thing but doing it anyway is the first step in becoming good at doing that thing.
[17:19:05] * AndyTheAbsurd also needs to remember this, and practice drawing/painting/other art forms more often.
[17:35:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alzheimer’s Disease Is A ‘Double-Prion Disorder,’ Study Shows - http://sylnt.us
[18:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, i need to write a DE and call it LGBQT
[18:23:58] <AzumaHazuki> whoa, it's been not even 30 hours since the interview and i've already gotten a reply asking for references o.o awesome
[18:24:07] <AzumaHazuki> still not going to count on getting this but it would be amazing
[18:33:37] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: they already have that but it's called guhnome 3
[18:35:27] <AzumaHazuki> explain why i don't use it then? :D
[18:35:45] <AzumaHazuki> time after time i find myself back on Xfce or Flux/Openbox
[18:39:51] <chromas> lxqt's a lot better now than when I first found it. I might even switch from kde. I just need to find some ridiculously glassy themes
[18:40:35] <AzumaHazuki> LXQt is not ready yet. Its settings are fragmented all over the place, requiring no less than 5 different themes (LXQt, Qt itself, GTK2, GTK3, and Openbox)
[18:41:06] <AzumaHazuki> the devs need to grab a bunch of KDE's systemsettings5 code and redo the LXQt config nerve center from scratch
[18:48:09] <chromas> The biggest and most important problem kde has is the disk usage widgets are crap.
[18:48:49] <chromas> oh and the akonadi/strigi/baloo thing
[18:50:13] <AzumaHazuki> latte-dock works weirdly too. stops alerting you of "urgent" hints after a few seconds, sometimes doesn't at all
[18:51:49] <chromas> Steam has the opposite problem—randomly highlighting itself as urgent
[18:53:45] <chromas> have you looked at Cairo-Dock?
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[18:53:54] <AzumaHazuki> yes. it's eye-searing
[18:54:21] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://liliputing.com from the cow-launched dept.
[18:54:23] <upstart> Submitting "First new Earthworm Jim game in 20 years is on the way... as an Intellivision Amico exclusive - Liliputing"...
[18:54:45] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "First New Earthworm Jim Game in 20 Years is on the Way... as an Intellivision Amico Exclusive - Liliputing" -> https://soylentnews.org
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[18:55:19] <chromas> I remember Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure seemed to be a sprite swap of Earthworm Jim. Or maybe the other way around
[19:10:48] <SirFinkus> steam is one one of the buggiest and low effort pieces of desktop software I've had the displeasure of using
[19:11:45] <chromas> Have you seen the Epic store?
[19:11:54] <pinchy> whats so buggy about it?
[19:12:31] <SirFinkus> well, the latest issue in a long string of issues is the UI will randomly lock up, requiring a restart to fix
[19:12:52] <pinchy> I only used pirated steam games. I used the desktop GOG client tho. it was ok but really didnt see a need for it
[19:12:53] <SirFinkus> I haven't decided whether that's better or worse than it just spinning up a core to 100% for hours
[19:14:09] <pinchy> I prefer 'installs' where u just unzip and file and run it. if its and actual EXE install then I run it in a VM and grab the output and put that on the real machine
[19:14:49] <pinchy> sometimes it might need some .net DLLs but u can just drop those in the folder with it
[19:15:07] <pinchy> usually all the net-api-*blah.dll stuff
[19:15:37] <SirFinkus> just froze again, I think because I had the audacity to try to adjust the size of the chat window
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[19:15:50] <ErnestTBass> #submit https://www.engadget.com
[19:15:51] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[19:16:06] <ErnestTBass> #submit https://www.engadget.com
[19:16:07] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[19:16:17] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[19:16:42] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[19:17:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alaska Will Connect to the Continental US Via a 100-Terabit Fiber Optic Network - http://sylnt.us - that's-a-lot-of-cable
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[19:18:59] <SirFinkus> and just locked up again, didn't do anything to it this time, you get the point
[19:21:28] <mrpg> They can just expose 100 000 users on purpose. MAybe then it won't be 1 600 000 by accident
[19:46:07] <mrpg> Is it trolling if I go to devuan and report this https://www.devuan.org as a 404? please fix this link.
[19:46:08] <upstart> ^ 03HTTP Error 404
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[20:35:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.businessinsider.com sounded crappy though
[20:35:53] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[20:36:19] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[21:02:44] <Sulla> MTA--
[21:02:44] <Bender> karma - mta: -1
[21:09:51] <AzumaHazuki> Postfix issues?
[21:16:16] <chromas> --MTA
[21:16:20] <chromas> Prefix doesn't work
[21:16:32] <boru> Very clever.
[21:23:19] <Sulla> the company
[21:27:31] <Sulla> https://www.theatlantic.com
[21:27:32] <upstart> ^ 03What Number of Kids Makes Parents Happiest?
[21:27:44] <RandomFactor> Not 3
[21:32:04] <Sulla> I'm pretty satisfied with three. Wife got fixed because we knew as soon as our brains over-wrote the hell that is the first year we would want more
[21:35:10] <AzumaHazuki> ahhh, going up into the NICU or the birthing center makes my ovaries overclock
[21:35:26] <AzumaHazuki> like every time i get all melty and they go "can we have a baby? can we? huh huhcanwecanwecanwe?"
[21:36:16] <Sulla> NICU is terrifying
[21:36:51] <AzumaHazuki> it's just sad mostly. so many tiny tiny babies, poor little lungs and livers and kidneys only half-online...
[21:37:17] <AzumaHazuki> i spent many a shift measuring out the tiniest droppers of diuretics and beta blockers and occasionally morphone...
[21:37:48] <Sulla> Thats rough. I imagine it would be rewarding but also mentally draining
[21:38:12] <AzumaHazuki> ahhh, jeez, getting a bit teary even now. yeah, seeing labels come out for vaccines was always a cause for happiness because it means someone's "graduating"
[21:39:53] <AzumaHazuki> i could probably be a NICU nurse right up until one of the babies died. then i'd cry myself into hypovolemic hyponatraemia...
[21:40:05] <AzumaHazuki> and i cry maybe twice a decade
[21:41:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> For me, the right number of children to have is zero.
[21:41:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm okay being around kids, I just don't want to be responsible for one 24/7/365.
[21:41:49] <Sulla> My sister in law is a case worker, has been for a number of years now, has to quit because is being destroyed physically and emotionally from the stress
[21:42:39] <Sulla> Depends how you raise them how intensive you have to be with the responsibility. From 1-4 its pretty intensive, but from that point on kids mostly raise themselves (other than the provision of educational materials, reading, feeding)
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[21:43:17] <Sulla> With my four year olds they spend almost their entire day outside doing chaos
[21:43:33] <Sulla> "working" they call it. Diggin holes, moving dirt and rocks, trying to build stuff
[21:43:44] <AzumaHazuki> Cuuuuuuuute
[21:43:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> That's still four years of Things I Would Rather Not, And Have The Option To Not, Deal With.
[21:44:05] <Sulla> Well, you could also have a perfect child
[21:44:16] * AzumaHazuki will adopt if her girlfriend changes mind about not wanting children
[21:44:37] <AzumaHazuki> though as of now she says "we can be cat moms, not human moms"
[21:44:45] <Sulla> i did not believe they existed, after having chaos twins. But my youngest (1) is the kind of kid from a sitcom level of great
[21:44:52] <fyngyrz> cats need moms too
[21:44:57] <Sulla> cats are tough, they require all sorts of attention
[21:45:11] <AzumaHazuki> they do, yes, but i have some experience with them
[21:45:34] <AzumaHazuki> will go looking for an adult black shelter cat, the ones no one will adopt because superstition. in a way i'm the human version of that
[21:45:42] <fyngyrz> I'm a guy, but I totally identify as a cat mom. :)
[21:45:45] <Sulla> being a friday, after naps going to take my twins frog catching
[21:46:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> out of the four cats that I've had, the black one is definitely the cutest.
[21:46:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> (although the tuxedo pattern was a close second)
[21:46:33] <Sulla> catch a bunch of bullfrogs, take biggest home and put it in an aquarium. They take care of it for a week then release it and start over. Legally i don't think I can release caught bullfrogs though but I can't bring myself to kill em
[21:46:56] <Sulla> I had an awesome tomcat that kept all the strays out of my neighborhood, fixed so no new strays
[21:50:13] <Sulla> In the modern era USA things are so fucked cost wise its super difficult to have kids if you don't have grandparents or some form of low cost communal daycare in the 1-4 bracket
[21:50:29] <Sulla> 10/hr/kid minimum for daycare without free grandma care
[21:52:26] <AzumaHazuki> this is what happens when the "free market" takes over. kids are inefficient for profit-making you see
[21:52:56] <Sulla> Worked fine from 1776 to the mid 60s
[21:58:36] <AzumaHazuki> and what changed then? globalization. wage depression. offshoring
[22:00:38] <chromas> Chinese children build iPhones faster than American children
[22:03:47] <Sulla> https://www.cnbc.com
[22:03:49] <upstart> ^ 03GM joins Tesla, Ford in building EV pickups — but Texas ranchers don't want a 'playboy's truck'
[22:04:01] <Sulla> why do they need to make pickups so god damn ugly when putting a battery in?
[22:05:14] <chromas> So you know it's hip and modern
[22:05:43] <chromas> Not a lot of room in the bed though
[22:06:07] <Sulla> What I really want is blocky 70s-90s regular cab longbed with a battery replacing the fuel tank and an electric motor
[22:06:26] <Sulla> would make it much easier to convince rednecks to buy into
[22:07:09] <Sulla> The increase in torque is enough to make up for the loss in noise, but its hard in convincing people to get past the future look
[22:07:47] <chromas> I guess rolling coal is an add-on now
[22:09:16] <Sulla> disgusting
[22:09:30] <Sulla> i want the utility of a truck but the quiet of an electric
[22:09:53] <chromas> I should say it'll have to be an add-on; not that is actually is available now
[22:10:23] <Sulla> hah, do it like those old model trains with the smoke droplets
[22:10:48] <Sulla> not sure how to make environmentally friendly black smoke
[22:15:48] <chromas> Do normal, dirty smoke, then have a wad of quadcopters trailing behind that filter the air
[22:18:48] <chromas> Rolling Clean Coal™
[22:19:45] <Sulla> But how do you clean up the rolled coal from the quadcopters?
[22:25:41] <mrpg-away> What do antivaxxers think about sql injections?
[22:30:19] <Sulla> i imagine that the jehovahs witnesses are okay with it as long as you aren't injecting sql into people
[22:31:23] <chromas> does it have thimerosql?
[22:39:16] <AzumaHazuki> only if the source is hosted in Mercurial instead of Git
[23:21:45] <Sulla> https://www.bloomberg.com
[23:21:46] <upstart> ^ 03Bloomberg - Are you a robot? ( https://www.bloomberg.com )
[23:22:02] <Sulla> "The stratgey is on the rise among fire departments statewide"
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[23:42:17] <chromas> https://spectrum.ieee.org
[23:42:18] <upstart> ^ 03Video Friday: Watch This 'RoboCop' Make a Traffic Stop
[23:51:40] <mrpg-away> Protect the innocent
[23:51:45] <mrpg-away> Uphold the law
[23:51:55] <mrpg-away> #g robocop directives
[23:51:55] <MrPlow> https://robocop.fandom.com - "Fundamental to his operational limits were RoboCop's Prime Directives, a set of rules, unbreakable and unbendable, that RoboCop's firmware is bound to ..."
[23:52:27] <mrpg-away> "Serve the public trust"