#Soylent | Logs for 2019-04-25
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[01:16:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Advance In CAR T-Cell Therapy Eliminates Severe Side Effects - http://sylnt.us - always-improving
[01:27:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Zen 2 CPU Yields are Potentially Twice that of Intel’s Top Server Chips - http://sylnt.us - Chips-ahoy!
[01:46:11] <Sulla> Whats a squirtel?
[01:49:32] <Bytram> sea squirt crossed with a... wait for it... Squirrel!
[01:50:09] * Bytram guesses that was something like the line-of-thought in that dept line
[01:50:20] * Bytram heads off to make his dinner
[01:50:23] <Bytram> biab
[02:00:16] <Bytram> returned
[02:11:25] <Sulla> I figured it was squirtle mispelled
[03:07:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gold Worth Billions Smuggled out of Africa - http://sylnt.us - Conflicting-statements-containing-nuggets-of-truth
[04:46:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Netflix Customers Aren’t Only Loyal—They’re Supportive, Too - http://sylnt.us - Adding-to-their-Stream-library
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[06:28:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Self-Driving Car Challenges - Technology Review Interview with Mobileye/Intel - http://sylnt.us - humans-are-still-better-drivers-by-three-orders-of-magnitude
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[08:05:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Airlines Ponder Weighing Passengers at Check-In to Curb Fuel Costs - http://sylnt.us - Privacy-is-like-virginity-dept
[09:37:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacker Can Monitor Cars, Kill Engines After Hacking GPS Tracking Apps - http://sylnt.us - deep-seated-insecurities-and-paranoia
[11:08:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A 'Blockchain Bandit' Is Guessing Private Keys And Scoring Millions - http://sylnt.us - no-one-noticed-anything-missing?
[11:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:55:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4733
[12:47:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NIST Tool Enables More Comprehensive Tests on High-Risk Software - http://sylnt.us - always-improving-but-not-perfect
[12:51:40] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:51:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4734
[12:53:12] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:04:17] <Bytram> oh. Looks like exec is no longer with us. Must be off pining for the fjords.
[13:05:46] <Bytram> Looks like some nice weather in store for me today, and plenty of rain tomorrow. Think I'm gonna make the best of my day off and try and get some errands done.
[13:05:51] <Bytram> Have a great day everyone!
[13:30:10] <FatPhil> exec's too busy trying to optimise out an infinite loop by working out how it should end by simulating it.
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[14:16:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High Court Confirms The Way UK Banned GSM Gateways Was Illegal - http://sylnt.us - here-comes-the-judge
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[15:18:18] <Antidisestablishment> #submit https://onezero.medium.com
[15:18:21] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:18:46] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:18:56] <Antidisestablishment> #submit https://www.cbsnews.com
[15:18:57] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[15:19:05] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://www.cbsnews.com
[15:19:07] <upstart> Submitting "Adult children are costing many parents their retirement savings"...
[15:19:22] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://reason.com
[15:19:24] <upstart> Submitting "The Feds Are Dropping Child Porn Cases Instead of Revealing Info on Their Surveillance Systems"...
[15:19:28] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Adult Children are Costing Many Parents Their Retirement Savings" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:19:46] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "The Feds Are Dropping Child Porn Cases Instead of Revealing Info on Their Surveillance Systems" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:19:51] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[15:19:53] <upstart> Submitting "Bloomberg - Are you a robot?"...
[15:20:05] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[15:20:08] <upstart> Submitting "Security flaw lets attackers recover private keys from Qualcomm chips"...
[15:20:14] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Bloomberg - Are You a Robot?" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:20:27] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://venturebeat.com
[15:20:28] <upstart> Submitting "Mozilla highlights AI bias and ‘addiction by design’ tech in internet health report"...
[15:20:30] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Security Flaw Lets Attackers Recover Private Keys From Qualcomm Chips" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:20:49] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Mozilla Highlights AI Bias and ‘addiction by Design’ Tech in Internet Health Report" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:23:36] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://onezero.medium.com
[15:23:38] <upstart> Submitting "Why ‘Anonymized Data’ Isn’t So Anonymous – OneZero"...
[15:24:00] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Why ‘Anonymized Data’ Isn’t So Anonymous – OneZero" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:25:56] <Sulla> Salutations all
[15:26:07] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[15:26:10] <upstart> Submitting "An inside look at how credential stuffing operations work"...
[15:26:32] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "An Inside Look at How Credential Stuffing Operations Work" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:31:16] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[15:31:19] <upstart> Submitting "Programming language Python's popular extension for Visual Studio Code revamped"...
[15:31:41] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Programming Language Python's Popular Extension for Visual Studio Code Revamped" -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:33:39] <Antidisestablishment> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[15:33:43] <upstart> Submitting "Facebook open sources C++ F14 hash table"...
[15:34:04] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Facebook Open Sources C++ F14 Hash Table" -> https://soylentnews.org
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[15:46:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nest (and Other IoT Devices) Put Lazy People at Risk - http://sylnt.us - but-I-can't-remember-more-than-one-password
[15:47:39] <chromas> I wonder how Bloomberg's robot detection works
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[16:02:59] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.dailychristiannews.com
[16:02:59] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[16:05:13] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[16:05:13] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[16:05:27] <Runaway1956> !submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[16:05:56] <Runaway1956> $submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[16:09:24] <FatPhil> '=' seems to work
[16:10:25] <Runaway1956> Hey Phil
[16:10:40] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[16:10:40] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[16:10:52] <FatPhil> Although bloomberg is a bit unsuckable to some bots
[16:10:57] <Runaway1956> tells me it can't find a summary, thought maybe it was broke
[16:11:59] <FatPhil> same story as this? https://www.law.com
[16:12:00] <upstart> ^ 03Greg Craig, Former Skadden Partner, Charged With Lying About Ukraine Work
[16:13:52] <Runaway1956> Was trying to get a title with "obama" "lobbying" and "indict" lol - something to make Deathmonkey's eyes glaze over
[16:14:09] <Runaway1956> #submit https://news.yahoo.com
[16:14:11] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[16:14:30] <Runaway1956> I guess plowboy likes Yahooo
[16:14:36] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[16:47:16] <Sulla> Several sites "fixed" themselves so clicking the reader option on Firefox for android no longer bypasses the paywall
[16:48:11] <Sulla> Deathmonkey is my least favorite of the TDS sufferers because he seems to wait for Democratic talking points to be released before making his opinion on new developments
[16:48:25] <Sulla> Aristarchus, as much as I disagree, appears authentic
[18:06:18] <fyngyrz> what's "TDS"?
[18:07:31] <fyngyrz> Are you talking about "Trump Derangement Syndrome"?
[18:08:53] <FatPhil> Here's a democratic talking point... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com
[18:08:54] <upstart> ^ 03Mueller report contains claim Russia taped Bill Clinton having phone sex with Monica Lewinsky
[18:09:07] <FatPhil> put that in your cigar and smoke it!
[18:23:48] <Sulla> Lol wut
[18:47:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Catastrophic' Breeding Failure at One of World's Largest Emperor Penguin Colonies - http://sylnt.us - stability-needed
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[20:12:02] <Sulla> I have talked to so many damn legislators on the phone in past few days
[20:12:56] <Sulla> I might be able to get an amendment for an increase to the maximum cigar tax from 50 cents to a dollar instead of no max and a 65% tax in total
[20:13:35] <FatPhil> I missed some context, is this state-wide or national?
[20:13:41] <Sulla> Statewide
[20:13:57] <FatPhil> Problem has shrunk then, good.
[20:14:06] <Sulla> Removing 50 cent cap and instead 65%. So tax on a 10 dollar cigar goes from 50 cents to 6.50
[20:14:29] <Sulla> Which puts my local shop out of business, and four employees out of full time jobs
[20:14:35] <FatPhil> sin taxes!
[20:14:41] <FatPhil> Welcome to Scandinavia!
[20:15:07] <Sulla> Well, whatever I guess, but at least do it smart
[20:15:17] <FatPhil> It's good for the people who work in neighbouring states, though!
[20:15:28] <Sulla> Already higher than us
[20:15:43] <Sulla> People just buy online where it's impossible to enforce taxes
[20:15:51] <FatPhil> Ahhh, so that's why it will have the impact that you predict.
[20:15:55] <Sulla> Or when you do its more expensive to enforce than the tax you receive
[20:16:22] <FatPhil> We have an interesting relationship alcohol-wise, Finland-Estonia-Latvia
[20:16:27] <Sulla> Cigars, being a luxury good, are very weak to price increases or economic slowdowns
[20:16:56] <FatPhil> Every time one of the countries changes booze tax, it affects their neighbours too massively.
[20:19:55] <FatPhil> I think that in my part of the world that craft beer is "luxury" too (prices are 2-3 times that of macro shit), and I am amazed that none of my friends see it that way.
[20:20:14] <FatPhil> And I see the fragility in that market.
[20:24:20] <Sulla> Yeah.
[20:24:24] <Sulla> Lots not being thought out
[20:25:08] <Sulla> So a ventilators or whatever those e cig / pot things are called. You can sell the exact same one at a pot store and a tobacco store, but the one at the tobacco store has 65% tax
[20:26:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Recommends Dropping Phone-Surveillance Program - http://sylnt.us - trust-but-verify
[20:27:38] <FatPhil> We get lots of booze cruisers from .fi flinging their lovely lovely fat wallets at our alko stores. So our govt put up booze tax. Ferry companies *and* restuarants *and* everything touristy started filing losses, as well as there being way less alcohol sales, thus less booze-tax reaped.
[20:28:32] <FatPhil> Latvia thanked us.
[20:29:10] <FatPhil> everyone within 100km of the .lv border would not only do booze-drives down there, but while there would fill up the car with food too, as it's cheaper.
[20:29:32] <chromas> Sin tax error
[20:30:19] <FatPhil> The day the booze-tax increase was first filed, all my mates, drinkers and others, predicted this would happen. Not a single dissenter.
[20:30:39] <FatPhil> We couldn't believe that government would be so stupid as to vote for it.
[20:31:59] <FatPhil> So yes - contact your .gov, and get your friends to contact .gov, you are 100% on the right track.
[20:32:02] <chromas> Even the fed needs its gibs
[20:33:22] <FatPhil> well, that's the stupid thing - after the tax raise, they got ~15% less tax revenue
[20:34:52] <FatPhil> And I think that's just the alcohol tax loss. All the other companies no longer making profits made it a double-whammy.
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[20:57:25] <Sulla> How large was the tax they put on booze?
[21:10:55] <FatPhil> I can't remember the exact change, but for arguments sake let's call it a doubling from "average for europe" to "top-5 in europe".
[21:11:22] <FatPhil> the "doubling" is the inaccurate part of that sentence.
[21:13:17] <FatPhil> we're now 4th, and this is how it used to be (we're 'EE') http://4liberty.eu
[21:14:59] <FatPhil> https://news.err.ee
[21:15:01] <upstart> ^ 03Estonia to receive €80 million less than expected in alcohol tax in 2018
[21:17:01] <FatPhil> Who'd have thought - we gave lots of our lovely euros to .lv instead - even the Finns were doing booze trips down there. (there's a holiday resort only 50km from .lt, so you might as well do a half day shopping trip to fill the car): https://news.err.ee
[21:17:03] <upstart> ^ 03Estonian border sales make up 13 percent of Latvia's alcohol tax receipts
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[21:17:50] <FatPhil> Economies are equilibria - if you try to perturb one value, all the other parameters will change to counteract your change.
[21:18:10] <FatPhil> Do politicians know that? Do they fuck (things up).
[21:31:33] <FatPhil> s/.lt/.lv/ , all Latvia, no Lithuania involved.
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[21:40:47] <AzumaHazuki> whoooo...10 hour workday
[21:41:17] <AzumaHazuki> a friend had an emergency doctor's appointment so the first 4 hours were spent doing *both* the hardest shifts in the morning
[21:42:32] <Bytram> bet you are glad *that's* over!
[21:42:49] <AzumaHazuki> indeedy-doo @_@
[21:43:09] <Bytram> hope your friend was okay
[21:43:40] <AzumaHazuki> we're not sure. something odd traveling along one of the nerves. could be shingles, but no rash
[21:44:23] <Sulla> FatPhil, how many km is Estonia's furthest points away from one another
[21:44:54] <Sulla> Pinched nerves can be a hell of a drug
[21:44:56] * Bytram once had a case of neuropathy (sp?) that, thankfully, went away after months of using padding avoiding re-injuring the ulnar nerve's sheath any further
[21:45:16] <Bytram> or so I can best recall
[21:46:28] <AzumaHazuki> this one's in her neck
[21:46:48] <Bytram> zoinks!
[21:48:45] <Sulla> That's awful
[21:50:28] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I hope she didn't accuse you of being a... pain in the neck
[21:50:50] <AzumaHazuki> cat sadtrombone.wav > /dev/pcm
[21:51:02] <Bytram> lol
[21:51:39] <AzumaHazuki> it's not bad yet but she (understandably) wants to nip it in the bud. she says the doctor told her "I have no idea what this is. You stumped me. Let's MRI it"
[21:52:42] * Bytram would *much* rather have a doc that is candid about their limitations than one that is a practicing Dunning-Kruger-ism
[21:53:00] <Sulla> Agree with bytram here
[21:53:37] <AzumaHazuki> Same here. It's just never a good sign when they go "wtf m8 ur weird"
[21:53:50] <Sulla> True that
[21:54:11] <Sulla> I dislike the ones that go "it's normal come back in 6 months if it's still an issue"
[21:54:27] <Sulla> Six months can take something from reversible to forever
[21:54:39] <Bytram> is why they call it "practicing" medicine
[21:55:00] <Bytram> often an excellent idea to get a 2nd opinion, especially from a specialist
[21:55:47] <AzumaHazuki> right
[21:56:25] <AzumaHazuki> i have no idea what this is either. *anything* could be causing that. maybe it *is* shingles, maybe it's a pinched nerve, maybe it's a benign growth, maybe some kind of neurodegenerative disorder in embryonic form...
[21:56:54] <Bytram> any muscle tightness in the neck / shoulders / back ??
[21:57:27] <Bytram> a good therapeutic massage can do *wonders* for identifying and releasing pent-up tension
[21:57:41] <Bytram> ${abbr CMT}
[21:57:41] <fungus_> CMT
[21:57:43] <Bytram> lol
[21:57:48] <Bytram> =g CMT
[21:57:49] <upstart> http://www.cmt.com - CMT.com
[21:57:55] <Bytram> =g CMT Certified
[21:57:56] <upstart> https://health.mo.gov - Certified Medication Technician (CMT) Program | CNA, CMT and ...
[21:58:00] <Bytram> close
[21:58:05] <Bytram> =g CMT Certified Massage
[21:58:06] <upstart> https://www.camtc.org - California Massage Therapy Council
[21:58:12] <Bytram> better!
[21:58:22] <Bytram> =g CMT Certified Massage Therapist
[21:58:23] <upstart> https://www.massagetherapylicense.org - Massage Therapist Certification in California | CMT Requirements in ...
[21:58:49] <Bytram> break time -- laundry retrieval
[21:58:50] <Bytram> afk
[22:00:03] <AzumaHazuki> ooh, neat idea. i'll mention it to her :)
[22:01:41] <FatPhil> SUlla: excluding the islands, I guess we're about 250km x 250km
[22:02:37] <FatPhil> 311 x 237
[22:02:49] <Sulla> Wow
[22:03:18] <FatPhil> So yes, we're quite small. only 1.3 million people, so not super dense or anything.
[22:04:11] <Sulla> Some day I want to roadtrip europe
[22:04:57] <FatPhil> or what's left of it ;-)
[22:06:17] <FatPhil> Via Baltica's a great road trip - https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:06:18] <upstart> ^ 03European route E67 - Wikipedia
[22:06:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Canada Oil Sands CO2 Emissions Hugely Underestimated Claims Study - http://sylnt.us - shifting-sands
[22:06:58] <FatPhil> However, It would be a shame to miss out the Balkans.
[22:09:16] <Sulla> Once the kids are in school the wife and I are going to do all the states and Canada, with the exception of western Canada and Alaska as I have done that drive like 6 times already
[22:09:23] <FatPhil> You can tick a *lot* of countries if you do continue further south.
[22:18:00] <FatPhil> Europe has as many countries in the same area that the US has 48 states.
[22:36:42] <Sulla> Nice, that's like easy mode
[22:58:18] <fyngyrz> FatPhil, it's about 480 km to the nearest city from where I live. :)
[22:58:37] <fyngyrz> in the same state, anyway
[22:59:55] <FatPhil> but your state is only 600x500ish isn't it? I guess you're inland?
[23:01:39] <fyngyrz> 559x321 miles -- 899x516 km
[23:01:50] <fyngyrz> inland, yes
[23:02:13] <fyngyrz> the region is mostly rectangular
[23:12:42] <FatPhil> I'm not sure I can think of anywhere 480km from the nearest city, except perhaps northern Lapland. But even that has militarily important coastal towns in range.
[23:13:58] <FatPhil> though I find the city/town distinction utterly arbitrary.
[23:15:23] <FatPhil> a city is a built up area so lacking in power and influence that the council its residents vote for don't have control over neghbouring regions.
[23:15:44] <FatPhil> that's the definition, isn't it?
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[23:27:42] <RandomFactor__> Merde https://gizmodo.com
[23:27:44] <upstart> ^ 03People Born Before 1989 May Need Another Measles Vaccine
[23:28:58] <fyngyrz> #g city
[23:28:58] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "A city is a large human settlement. Cities generally have extensive systems for housing, transportation, sanitation, utilities, land use, and communication."
[23:29:54] <fyngyrz> ...that's pretty much what I've always used. There's a technical definition that makes almost anything a city, but no one really pays any attention to that except lawyers
[23:37:08] <FatPhil> that doesn't separate cities from towns
[23:38:02] <FatPhil> churchy types will try to pretend that their buildings make the difference, of course.
[23:39:41] <FatPhil> in more recent times some wave the notion of being "incorporated" around too.
[23:40:34] <chromas> In cities, cops have partners
[23:41:16] <fyngyrz> we have a near-equal balance of bars and churches
[23:41:34] <fyngyrz> That's Montana's idea of a "healthy town"
[23:42:18] <FatPhil> 100 bars to 5 churches within our city walls (ish, I've not counted)
[23:42:51] <fyngyrz> superstition is rampant here
[23:43:02] <fyngyrz> also drinking
[23:43:11] <fyngyrz> those things may be related
[23:43:17] <fyngyrz> just guessing
[23:43:29] <FatPhil> UFO sightings too?
[23:43:36] <fyngyrz> not that I know of
[23:43:47] <FatPhil> drink more 'shine!
[23:44:14] <fyngyrz> but I don't talk to these people much... we have strikingly different political outlooks. As in, I'd *really* like to strike some of them. So maybe they do.
[23:44:56] <fyngyrz> I'm just here for the cheap land and housing, the dark skies, and the lack of traffic.
[23:46:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kohl's Will Accept Amazon Returns at All of its Stores - http://sylnt.us - many-happy-returns?
[23:51:51] <FatPhil> ok, tiredness approaches, this could be my chance to catch some zees.
[23:52:03] <FatPhil> ~gnight all
[23:57:55] <Sulla> Get wrecked 1989> people
[23:58:01] <RandomFactor__> I visited Ireland in the 90s. I recall a near equal balance of pubs and street corners.
[23:58:50] <Sulla> Fyngyrz what is the cost/acre in montana?