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[01:07:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How do Tactics Spread? - http://sylnt.us - like-the-flu
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[04:08:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Developer Embraces Modding Community So Much They Made Those Guys' Work An Official Release - http://sylnt.us - embracing-the-community
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[05:47:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blood Unicorn Fairy Tale: Theranos Founder Charged With Fraud - http://sylnt.us - blood-of-Jobs
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[06:15:26] <chromas> https://img.memecdn.com
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[07:27:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - All Disk Galaxies Rotate at a Rate of About Once Every Billion Years - http://sylnt.us - circular-argument?
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[07:46:37] <FatPhil> ~weather
[07:46:39] <exec> 10Tallinn, Harju County, Estonia - currently 22°F / -6°C, mostly cloudy, wind N at 11 mph, humidity 79% - Thursday mostly cloudy (16°F:26°F / -9°C:-3°C), Friday partly cloudy (14°F:26°F / -10°C:-3°C), Saturday mostly sunny (21°F:25°F / -6°C:-4°C), Sunday partly cloudy (29°F:35°F / -2°C:2°C)
[08:56:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Caught Mining Bitcoin at Work - "Florida Man" Style - http://sylnt.us - Florida-Citrus-Man
[09:04:28] <boru> Missed opportunity in the dept, there; could've used when-life-gives-you-lemons.
[10:37:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cannabis Website Attempts to Shield Itself From California Using Federal Law - http://sylnt.us - weeding-out-the-bad-players
[10:38:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> remind me in a couple of hours to check work's analytics - I work for the site linked to in that Florida Man story.
[10:39:02] <chromas> Neat. You can give us click-through stats :)
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[11:28:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> Just got to work and.... that article's page view count is currently 2. And they're both from Tuesday night, shortly after it was published. So no traffic from SoylentNews (yet).
[11:35:26] <chromas> Aw
[11:36:07] <chromas> Nobody reads the articles :)
[11:38:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> Well, not so far - despite there being 11 comments on SN when I looked.
[11:47:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> hmmm.... should I risk $20 on mostly-likely-shitty "smart" watch from woot.com?
[11:47:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> https://electronics.woot.com
[11:47:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> At least the Engrish in the manual is amusing.
[11:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for it. a cheap-ass wal-mart watch doesn't cost much less.
[11:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:53:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4000
[11:57:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> Ordered. Not supposed to arrive for until Wednesday of next week.
[11:58:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> Which gives me six days to clean up enough space to record a no-doubt-hilarious video review of its awfulness.
[11:59:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> I wonder if there's already a YouTube channel dedicated to reviews of cheap Chinesium products.
[12:00:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> Probably dozens of 'em, I can't be the first person to have this idea.
[12:00:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> journal it up as well cause videos suck unless they have cats, good music, someone getting hit in the nuts, or naked chicks.
[12:01:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> I see you're a fan of "Ow, My Balls!".
[12:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> never heard of it. used to watch america's funniest home videos back in the day though.
[12:03:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's a fictional show from the movie Idiocracy. The main character's lawyer watched it.
[12:03:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and this one as well. while there's no nut shots it still involves unpleasantly placed pain from stupidity.
[12:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt buttrocket
[12:04:03] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:05:04] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[12:05:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> that never quits being funny
[12:15:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chevy Bolt - Public Charging in the LA Area - http://sylnt.us - move-it-when-you-are-done
[12:57:15] <chromas> I'm trying to read comments but I keep seeing conveyor belts and stuff on the text
[12:57:19] <chromas> factorio++
[12:57:19] <Bender> karma - factorio: 1
[13:31:37] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:31:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4001
[13:31:58] <Bytram> aww, just missed hitting the rollover to the next k
[13:32:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, i got it earlier
[13:32:53] <Bytram> boru: lemons? brilliant!
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[13:34:03] <fyngyrz> cranberry_juice++
[13:34:03] <Bender> karma - cranberry_juice: 5
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[13:57:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Symptoms of ADD Change The Way You Feel and Think - http://sylnt.us - as-I-was-sa-SQUIRREL!
[13:58:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> dept++
[13:58:36] <Bender> karma - dept: 2
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[14:12:09] <takyon> https://www.reuters.com
[14:12:09] <upstart> ^ 03Nobel prize winner hospitalized, wife found deceased in Illinois | Reuters
[14:15:38] <takyon> https://www.npr.org
[14:15:39] <upstart> ^ 03State Department Veteran Says Rank And File Are Relieved By Leadership Change : NPR
[14:17:27] <takyon> https://www.nextbigfuture.com
[14:17:27] <upstart> ^ 03World population is now over 7.6 billion and should reach 8 billion by 2023 | NextBigFuture.com
[14:21:48] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:21:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4002
[14:21:53] <Bytram> break time
[14:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[14:25:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[14:25:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[14:25:01] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 583
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[15:19:10] <fyngyrz> here
[15:20:02] <fyngyrz> brb
[15:20:09] <Bytram> k
[15:20:22] <Bytram> yeah, time for a break for me, too.
[15:20:30] <chromas> Bytram: You could write a bash script to convert your batch files to bash scripts
[15:20:37] <Bytram> biab; ping me if you need me for anything
[15:22:06] <Bytram> chromas: ah, my padawan... you have no idea of what depths of batch programming tricks I've employed over the years... it's a veritable cornucopia of edge cases and tricks to achieve various needs/goals
[15:22:43] <Bytram> admittedly, some prolly have other methods available atm, and I am sure many would port over pretty easily
[15:22:51] <Bytram> others... well... OUCH!
[15:23:30] <chromas> That just means the conversion script will some Bytram QA :)
[15:23:41] <Bytram> don't *I* know it!
[15:23:52] <chromas> How about this. Run wine on Linux to execute the batch files
[15:24:04] <FatPhil> only dosbox needed
[15:24:43] <chromas> Now, do you have it start dosbox for each script or do you run a server inside dosbox that listens for external calls?
[15:25:00] <chromas> complexity++
[15:25:00] <Bender> karma - complexity: 4
[15:26:27] * Bytram actually has experience testing OS support of edge cases where a virtual machine is running in a virtual machine... which is running in a virtual machine. Single stepping instructions on a mainframe is a unique experience.
[15:28:35] <fyngyrz> I gave up on bash, etc. when I discovered Python. You can do more, better, clearer, cleaner, in Python than Bash could ever hope for
[15:28:41] <Bytram> #g PTLB
[15:28:41] <MrPlow> http://www.ptlb.com - "Principles To Live By is a non-profit organization that equips and empowers people, pastors, and churches. Our biblical resources, coaches, counselors, and teachers magnify God and ignite hope for better relationships, healthier Christians, thriving churches, and vibrant communities. We hope to reach hundreds and ..."
[15:28:42] <upstart> ^ 03Principles To Live By | Life Is Relationships
[15:28:45] <Bytram> lol
[15:28:48] <fyngyrz> s/you/I/
[15:28:59] <fyngyrz> s/You/I/
[15:28:59] <sedctl> <fyngyrz> I gave up on bash, etc. when I discovered Python. I can do more, better, clearer, cleaner, in Python than Bash could ever hope for
[15:29:02] <exec> <fyngyrz> I gave up on bash, etc. when I discovered Python. I can do more, better, clearer, cleaner, in Python than Bash could ever hope for
[15:29:09] <Bytram> #g page table buffer PTLB
[15:29:09] <MrPlow> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu - "the rate of translation lookaside buffer (TLB) misses and the cost of servicing a ... due to the page table hierarchy, reducing the number of kernel ..... PTLB entries are kept consistent with the kernel page tables ef- ficiently, by invalidating them when the kernel invalidates page table entries. The PTLB can hold up to 4K entries."
[15:30:14] <Bytram> I love the concept and capabilities of the python language/environment but am distinctly un-thrilled with white space as structural delimiters -- give me curly braces dadgum it!
[15:30:37] <fyngyrz> As a c developer, it set me back a bit,. but I have grown to appreciate the consistency
[15:31:01] <fyngyrz> A good editor, a deft hand with the tab key, and all is well
[15:31:15] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:31:21] <fyngyrz> plus, I always despised K&R style, so there's that
[15:31:55] <fyngyrz> I always felt like what's the bloody point of braces if they're used in such a way as to not provide a visual clue of depth?
[15:32:19] <fyngyrz> might as well be any other convention then
[15:32:20] <Bytram> I recall looking at K&r and being non-plussed, many many moons ago
[15:32:33] <Bytram> if (cond) {
[15:32:36] <Bytram> do stuff
[15:32:40] <Bytram> } else {
[15:32:44] <Bytram> do other stuff
[15:32:45] <fyngyrz> And the thing about Python's indentation is that it is meaningful. The very thing people complain about, I like.
[15:32:50] <Bytram> } // endif
[15:32:54] <fyngyrz> yes, I think that's nuts
[15:33:09] <FatPhil> I've used them all at @DAYJOBS. I've even lost my own preference now.
[15:33:15] <Bytram> not as nuts as this:
[15:33:18] <Bytram> if (cond)
[15:33:18] <Bytram> {
[15:33:20] <Bytram> suff
[15:33:22] <Bytram> }
[15:33:23] <Bytram> else
[15:33:24] <Bytram> {
[15:33:26] <Bytram> other stuff
[15:33:27] <fyngyrz> I've been the boss for many years, so everyone does it my way or they don't eat. :)
[15:33:27] <Bytram> }
[15:33:54] <Bytram> ~burrito fyngyrz
[15:33:57] <FatPhil> I even write two different styles within 5 minutes of each other, I'm so confused now.
[15:34:04] <Bytram> lol
[15:34:06] <fyngyrz> lol
[15:34:22] <FatPhil> braces I'm more consistent with. I think I'm "stroustrup"
[15:34:33] <Bytram> speaking of eating... is about time i prepare something
[15:34:44] <FatPhil> but whitespace between operators/punctuation - I'm all over the show.
[15:34:46] <fyngyrz> bloodsugar++
[15:34:46] <Bender> karma - bloodsugar: 1
[15:34:47] <Ingar> well I do write } else {
[15:34:53] <FatPhil> THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
[15:35:16] <Ingar> it's four spaces, but it was actually a tab at wrong indentation size
[15:35:30] <chromas> if (cond){stuff
[15:35:30] <chromas> }else{other
[15:35:30] <chromas> stuff}
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[15:36:44] * Bytram waves hello to mrpg as /me heads off to make some lunch
[15:37:06] <chromas> $burrito Bytram
[15:37:19] <chromas> no aqu4 :(
[15:37:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unprecedentedly Wide and Sharp Dark Matter Map - Subaru Telescope - http://sylnt.us - the-forrester-found-it-outback
[15:37:26] <Bytram> ahhh, that's the one
[15:38:04] <FatPhil> mustn't think of food just yet...
[15:38:36] <FatPhil> got a fancy meal in a fancy restaurant later, don't want to mistime my apetite
[15:45:18] <fyngyrz> This incorporates how I brace c:
[15:45:19] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[15:46:07] <fyngyrz> I value indentation very highly as a means to show what's going on
[15:46:17] <fyngyrz> braces alone don't do it for me
[15:46:20] <chromas> I like the shape of those parentheses
[15:47:14] <fyngyrz> you mean the braces?
[15:47:23] <fyngyrz> the parens are nice and round, though :)
[15:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ( o Y o )
[15:48:51] <mechanicjay> I fine way to start the morning, TMB.
[15:48:57] <mechanicjay> s/I/A/g
[15:48:57] <sedctl> <mechanicjay> A fine way to start the morning, TMB.
[15:49:00] <exec> <mechanicjay> A fine way to start the morning, TMB.
[15:49:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[15:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8008135++
[15:49:23] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 59
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[15:52:54] <fyngyrz> The fun thing about Python is I don't have to demonstrate bracing to anyone. Guido makes them comply so I don't have to.
[15:53:56] <fyngyrz> We (meaning, my companies) have produced some very complex applications written in c. Without a consistent and useful bracing style, we'd never have pulled it off. So I'm a big fan.
[15:54:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake fyngyrz
[15:54:55] * MrPlow smakes fyngyrz upside the head with a dreidel
[15:55:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> whitespace nazi
[15:55:07] <fyngyrz> hair on ya. Er, me.
[15:55:19] <fyngyrz> guilty as charged
[15:55:38] <chromas> Problematic Python
[15:55:41] <chromas> Whitespace Power!
[15:55:46] <fyngyrz> TAB power
[15:55:48] <fyngyrz> :)
[15:55:55] <chromas> Mustache power, activate!
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[15:58:29] <fyngyrz> IF we ever get that multi-sig thing, I'll put "Whitespace Nazi" in there. :)
[15:59:39] <Bytram> not to add to the battle, but I see a solitary open brace on its own line providing no additional benefit... the 'if' is at the same indentation-- and the '{' consumes vertical whitespace which I always find to be at a premium....
[16:00:39] <fyngyrz> the benefit of the brace is to set off the block content visually
[16:01:02] <fyngyrz> the brace is at the same depth as the brace because it belongs to the if
[16:01:09] <Bytram> I understand the thought... but I offer an idea:
[16:01:29] <Bytram> s/[^[:space:]]*/x/g
[16:01:31] <exec> <Bytram> x x x x x x x x x
[16:01:41] <fyngyrz> it also works really well with brace matching in editors
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[16:02:28] <Bytram> if one were to replace ALL non-whitespace chars with an 'x' char, what additional information is conveyed by having the opening brace on a separate line versus being at the end of the preceding line?
[16:02:45] <fyngyrz> As far as vertical space goes, it's infinite. :)
[16:03:07] <Bytram> you must have a much taller screen than I do!
[16:03:34] <fyngyrz> if it's at the end of the preceeding line, it will vary in depth, and it no longer can be visually matched in a trivial fashion with its ending brace
[16:03:56] <Bytram> don't need to! just go by the indentation of the line that it appears on
[16:03:58] <fyngyrz> the benefit here is that the braces match visually as well as programatically - and if they don't, you have a problem
[16:04:17] <fyngyrz> If they don't need to, they're meaningless
[16:04:46] <fyngyrz> they DO something. Braces are meaningful. So to enhance the ability to see the meaning, they can be visually set off.
[16:04:51] <fyngyrz> That's really the point of it
[16:05:07] <Bytram> okay, I see your point... guarantees a quick, visual way to match 'em up.
[16:05:14] <fyngyrz> yes, that's the entire point
[16:05:15] <chromas> hanging_indents++
[16:05:15] <Bender> karma - hanging_indents: 1
[16:06:00] <fyngyrz> If you just have the indented code, you have to hunt the brace down. I figure it's already hard enough to write code - no value in adding difficulty in visually verifying that it's correct
[16:06:41] <Bytram> why should *I* have to hunt it down? my editor does matching for me. When I type '}' it blips the matching '{'
[16:07:11] <fyngyrz> so does mine. But when you're reading, not writing, that doesn't help
[16:07:39] <fyngyrz> as I mentioned above, we did some very complex things. Adding complexity that does not need to be there is not a good thing
[16:07:43] <Bytram> if the braces don't match, the compiler will let me know.
[16:07:49] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:08:06] <fyngyrz> they may match, but not as expected. If they're really obvious, that happens... well, less
[16:08:18] <Bytram> I'm just absolutely anal about making sure I put an open brace at the end of every bloody single if condition like
[16:08:40] <Bytram> s/cond.*/conditional/
[16:08:42] <exec> <Bytram> I'm just absolutely anal about making sure I put an open brace at the end of every bloody single if conditional
[16:08:53] <fyngyrz> I actually write like this:
[16:08:55] <fyngyrz> if ()
[16:08:55] <fyngyrz> {
[16:08:56] <fyngyrz> }
[16:09:01] <fyngyrz> then I go back and fill it in
[16:09:32] <Bytram> I would have to make a *conscious* effort to leave OFF a brace at the end of the if (cond) { line
[16:09:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:10:00] <Bytram> I'm happy it works for you, and successfully, too.
[16:10:05] <fyngyrz> Keeps me in the mindset of "I'm in the if"
[16:10:21] * Bytram remembers 80x24 screens without fond memories
[16:10:29] <fyngyrz> yeah, everyone has their way. But I have to say, it's good to be the boss. :)
[16:10:35] <Bytram> well, x25 if you include the status line on the 3270
[16:10:47] <Bytram> RHIP
[16:10:58] <Bytram> #g RHIP
[16:10:58] <MrPlow> https://www.urbandictionary.com - "\"RHIP\" Means 1. \"Rank Has It's Privileges\" 2. \"Relativistics Heavy Ion Physics\" 3. \" Rental Housing Inspection Program \" and etc. But \"RHip\" is an Underground Hip Hop MC From Tehran. + I'm studying a book about RHIP - What? + Relativistics Heavy Ion Physics · #rhip#rhip#relativistics heavy ion physics#rank#rental."
[16:10:59] <upstart> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: RHIP
[16:11:10] <fyngyrz> aye
[16:11:14] <Bytram> definition #1 in this case
[16:11:17] <fyngyrz> right
[16:11:21] <Bytram> okay, tummy is GROWLING
[16:11:29] <Bytram> I shall return!
[16:11:32] <fyngyrz> I do try to shower regularly, though
[16:11:37] <fyngyrz> l8r
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[18:49:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drug Offenders and Other Criminals Lumped in With Sex Offenders in Online Registries - http://sylnt.us - when-you're-on-the-list
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[20:16:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Three Phase-Grating Moiré Neutron Interferometer Can Scan Inside Large Solid Objects - http://sylnt.us - grate-work
[21:00:27] * FatPhil installs valgrind on his home machine, and watches lots of standard debian packages barf, just for a laugh.
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[21:56:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bulgarian "Treaty Brides" Have Unusually Elongated Skulls - http://sylnt.us - is-this-where-PHBs-come-from?
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[23:25:10] <FatPhil> Professor Stephen William Hawking, the author of /A Brief History of Time/ = "Final thoughts: "Look for my batteries! Where's a spare?" How finite of him. RIP." (annagram)
[23:25:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - YouTube Did Not Inform Wikipedia of Plan to Debunk Conspiracies - http://sylnt.us - so?
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