#Soylent | Logs for 2016-06-02

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[00:21:57] <paulej72> what
[00:22:03] <paulej72> is
[00:22:06] <paulej72> the
[00:22:11] <paulej72> correct
[00:22:16] <paulej72> method
[00:22:18] <paulej72> to
[00:24:21] <chromas> dun
[00:24:23] <chromas> no
[00:24:29] <chromas> also
[00:24:31] <chromas> dindu
[00:24:33] <chromas> nuffin
[00:27:27] <paulej72> have you not have your coffee chromas
[00:27:44] <chromas> yes
[00:30:18] <paulej72> makes sense
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[00:59:10] <Gravis> Subsentient: instead of reworking epoch, you should help me with this: https://github.com
[00:59:11] <Schwifty> ^ 03GitHub - GravisZro/SystemX: System X - Everything that Systemd should have been.
[01:00:37] <Gravis> there is plenty to do
[01:01:44] -!- Runaway1956 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[01:02:26] <Gravis> Subsentient: this is really the core of it all: https://github.com
[01:02:27] <Schwifty> ^ 03GitHub - GravisZro/mcfs: Magic Circle File System - A FUSE filesystem to manage IPC sockets.
[01:05:36] <chromas> alternatively, Gravis instead of doing that, you should help rewrite epoch :D
[01:11:54] <chromas> or you guys get together and fork systemd
[01:13:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Islamic State Urges Muslims to Get Rid of Satellite TV - http://sylnt.us - info-wants-to-be-free
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[01:14:03] <chromas> Feminists praised the state, declaring satellite tv to be a tool of the patriarchy
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[01:53:15] <ArabGoatFucker> Today was awesome. I raped 4 European women today
[01:53:30] <ArabGoatFucker> The cops let me go beacuse, well, diversity.
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[01:55:20] <paulej72> OK ssl cert for the site updated and installed
[01:55:49] <paulej72> we are safe for another year
[01:56:14] <SirFinkus> from the terrorists?
[01:56:39] <Runaway1956> If you don't forget to lubricate the damned thing - ssl certs have to be lubed frequently
[01:58:11] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[01:58:13] <Schwifty> ^ 03How to Replace Blinker Fluid - YouTube
[02:02:59] <Gravis> so... how do we make being a senseless troll a fatal condition? such people do not need to exist.
[02:04:40] <Runaway1956> Diversity, Gravis - just accept the trolls for who they are.
[02:04:44] * Bytram would much prefer to be a sensible troll, instead.
[02:06:03] <Runaway1956> A hundred years ago, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian"
[02:06:23] <Runaway1956> Today, Gravis says "The only good troll is a dead troll."
[02:06:34] <Runaway1956> We've not "progressed" at all
[02:07:27] <Gravis> Runaway1956: no, there are trolls that have purpose and then there are just senseless trolls.
[02:07:49] <Gravis> Runaway1956: senseless trolls are just out to get a reaction out of /anybody/
[02:08:04] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm . . . .
[02:08:15] <Bytram> Gravis: so which one are you?
[02:08:45] <Bytram> sorry, not a fair question. I'll take it back.
[02:09:03] <paulej72> both, neither and yes
[02:09:40] <Bytram> Noooooooooooo!!!
[02:10:19] <Runaway1956> A more important question: How do we cause the deaths of THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! http://www.bbc.com
[02:10:20] <Schwifty> ^ 03Richard Huckle faces life sentences for Malaysia child abuse - BBC News
[02:11:12] <chromas> Call him out on twitter for manspreading and let the feminists do the rest of the work, as long as they don't find out what he did wrong; otherwise they'll defend him
[02:11:27] <Gravis> Runaway1956: put them in a jail with inmates that frown upon such people
[02:11:58] <chromas> Because inmates know that 100% of their fellow inmates are there legitimately
[02:12:26] <paulej72> no, eveyone there is innocent. they were framed
[02:13:43] <paulej72> i think tesla should trubo charge their cars. More Power!!!!11!1!!
[02:13:55] <paulej72> lol
[02:14:04] <Runaway1956> Turbo charged capacitors - I like that
[02:15:30] <Runaway1956> The FBI is getting more dirt on Hillary - wish they'd charge her, and open the field for Bernie - shit is going to get really complicated if they don't move quickly
[02:16:47] <paulej72> the fbi will wait until she is elected so she can be impeached just like bill (and it will have the same outcome)
[02:17:15] <chromas> did bill do something wrong though?
[02:17:18] <Gravis> what i don't understand is why the email server thing is only a big deal for her. i mean, all the people prior to her did the same fucking thing!
[02:17:20] <chromas> that he was impeached for, at least
[02:17:34] <Runaway1956> Yes, Bill committed treason when he sold military tech to China
[02:18:07] <Runaway1956> No, her predecessors did NOT do the same thing Gravis - stop drinking the Kool-Aid
[02:18:08] <paulej72> he had sex in the oval office with someone who was not Hillary and lied about it
[02:18:40] <chromas> so nothing then ;)
[02:18:50] <Runaway1956> paulej72 I've had sex with people who are not Hillary, and lied about it
[02:18:50] <paulej72> even if they did, new rules that Hillery was under prevened her from specifically doing what she did
[02:20:09] <Runaway1956> Damned clock keeps on ticking away - gotta get ready for work
[02:20:40] <paulej72> take the batteries out and most will stop doing that (ticking that is)
[02:21:01] <Runaway1956> ~g'night special-snowflakes
[02:21:03] * exec abrasively cyberbullies an example of excitement at special-snowflakes
[02:22:17] <Gravis> Runaway1956: http://www.nbcnews.com
[02:22:18] <Schwifty> ^ 03Condoleezza Rice Aides, Colin Powell Also Got Classified Info on Personal Emails - NBC News
[02:22:59] <Gravis> better source: http://www.theguardian.com
[02:23:00] <Schwifty> ^ 03Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice used private accounts for classified emails | US news | The Guardian
[02:23:45] <chromas> they dindu nuffin
[02:23:48] <chromas> stop being racis
[02:24:26] <paulej72> https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:27] <Schwifty> ^ 038 Everyday Things You've Been Doing Wrong - YouTube
[02:25:30] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you should fact check things before accusing people of "drinking the Kool-Aid"
[02:25:45] <Runaway1956> Nice spin job Gravis - if you can't see the difference between running your own email server, and what Powell and Rice did
[02:26:02] <Runaway1956> Hillary went out of her way to subvert the system
[02:26:35] <Runaway1956> "State's system at the time was inadequate," he said.
[02:26:42] <chromas> Round 'em all up
[02:26:48] <Runaway1956> Now, I got important stuff to do - later
[02:27:01] <Gravis> Runaway1956: whatever, i'm just saying if you are going to hold someone accountable, you need to be consistant
[02:27:10] <Gravis> consistent*
[02:31:08] <Runaway1956> Consistent? There were rules made BECAUSE Hillary's predecessors were working in gray areas without rules - the rules were in place BECAUSE her actions were deemed unacceptable
[02:31:44] <Runaway1956> Perhaps Gravis is unaware that the internet and digital security has changed and evolved one hell of a lot in the past 20 years
[02:32:18] <Runaway1956> Rules and regulations have been formulated in recent years BECAUSE people discovered that the system was inadequate
[02:32:40] <Runaway1956> And, Hillary intentionally undermined everything that was intended
[02:32:58] <chromas> she was just subverting the patriarchy
[02:33:02] <Gravis> Runaway1956: not really, the system was found to be very vulnerable since the late '90s
[02:33:10] <Runaway1956> Consistency? You are consistent Gravis - in defending the indefensible
[02:33:23] <Runaway1956> Is that not what I just said?
[02:33:38] <Runaway1956> Don't repeat my own words back at me if you expect to make a point
[02:34:01] <Gravis> <Runaway1956> Perhaps Gravis is unaware that the internet and digital security has changed and evolved one hell of a lot in the past 20 years <-- 20 years ago was late '90s buddy
[02:34:20] <chromas> past 20 years is a range
[02:34:33] <chromas> [now-20..now]
[02:34:38] <Gravis> the only thing that has changed is how people react to is
[02:34:40] <Gravis> it*
[02:35:10] <Gravis> the security is mostly the same, just people are actually getting around to using it
[02:36:38] <Runaway1956> You seem to be bending over backwards to appear obtuse
[02:36:50] <Runaway1956> The system sucked, because it's new and untested
[02:36:57] <Runaway1956> so people work to improve the system
[02:37:06] <Runaway1956> and here comes Hillary to undermine the system
[02:37:11] <Gravis> Runaway1956: not at all. i'm saying that the internet and security hasn't changed, how people react and use it has changed.
[02:37:24] <Runaway1956> no matter how good or how bad the system is, you don't work to undermine the system
[02:37:33] <Runaway1956> especially when you are an insider in the system
[02:37:39] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you act as if the internet itself has transformed when that's not the case at all
[02:37:56] <Runaway1956> WTF said anything about "transformed"????
[02:38:03] <Runaway1956> It is in development
[02:38:05] <chromas> was hilary's server not on the internet?
[02:38:15] <Runaway1956> has been for the past 40 years
[02:38:21] <Gravis> "digital security has changed and evolved one hell of a lot" <-- that implies transformation
[02:38:27] <Runaway1956> The internet is still fucking beta
[02:38:43] <Runaway1956> no, it implies it's a work in progress
[02:38:56] <Gravis> Runaway1956: no it's not. it's build on solid protocols that have not changed.
[02:39:21] <Gravis> Runaway1956: do you not know about TCP/IP?
[02:39:46] <chromas> don't forget xml
[02:39:47] <Runaway1956> horse shit - TCP/IP isn't even a solid protocol, it is exploited again and again
[02:40:01] <Gravis> LOL
[02:40:33] <Runaway1956> NTP SSL etc ad nauseum, they are all works in progress
[02:41:05] <Gravis> Runaway1956: perhaps you are thinking of windows with it's TCP/IP stack
[02:41:34] <Gravis> Runaway1956: NTP has been quite secure with minor fixes before there was ever a problem.
[02:42:12] <Gravis> Runaway1956: SSL has changed the cyphers used but it's largely the same design
[02:42:23] <chromas> Aren't we all using TLS now?
[02:42:35] <Gravis> now SSL is called TLS
[02:42:38] <chromas> and just calling it ssl for some reason
[02:43:20] <chromas> that devuan summary didn't make no sense but look at all the comments
[02:44:03] <chromas> I propose an experiment where we take a markov chain generator and feed it some youtube comments and some buzzwords and post it as a story
[02:44:07] <Runaway1956> You don't have to make sense to have a discussion - just take a position and beat down the opposition
[02:44:15] <Runaway1956> youlube?
[02:44:21] <Runaway1956> I'm outta here
[02:44:24] <chromas> yes. it gets the conversation moving
[02:44:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Opioid Painkillers Cause Chronic Pain - http://sylnt.us - its-giving-me-a-headache
[02:44:44] <Gravis> Runaway1956: ad hominem attack and run? nice.
[02:46:37] <Runaway1956> I realize you can't stop being a horse's ass, but you could make an effort gravis
[02:46:46] <Runaway1956> I leave for work this time of day most days
[02:47:03] <Runaway1956> an effort would be appreciated - maybe
[02:47:20] <Gravis> Runaway1956: hey, i'm here discussing the matter and you attack me then say you are leaving. i'm just telling it like it is.
[02:47:46] <Runaway1956> Okay, Doctor Spin, have a good night now
[02:49:59] <chromas> well it's in his name. He's been Runaway1956ing since Runaway1956
[02:50:15] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:51:18] <Schwifty> ^ 0315 Super Magic Cutting Tools of CNC Machining in the world 2016 - YouTube
[02:55:57] <Bytram|away> time for some shut-eye... have a great night!
[02:56:09] <Bytram|away> ~gnight #Soylent
[02:56:11] * exec democratically flicks an old shoe full of fries at #Soylent
[03:04:29] <paulej72> ~gnight All
[03:04:32] * exec seductively piles a petabyte of Uranus on All
[03:34:21] <cmn32480> dear god... I'm gonna regret that dinner tomrrow
[03:34:41] <chromas> Did you eat a whole plate of deviled eggs?
[03:34:49] <chromas> I guess the regret would be tonight
[03:35:14] <cmn32480> hot wings and beer
[03:35:37] <cmn32480> but the O's game was on (after I asked them to change the channel from hockey or some other crap)
[03:35:57] <chromas> which Os?
[03:36:02] <chromas> Oregon? :D
[03:36:14] <cmn32480> Baltimore... knucklehead
[03:37:17] <chromas> Ah, baseball. The standing man's sport :)
[03:38:15] <cmn32480> lol
[03:38:44] <cmn32480> i was sitting at the bar... beer... hot wings... we discussed this a moment ago... PAY ATTENTION CHROMAS
[03:39:08] <chromas> Sure but that could be football or basketball
[03:39:10] <chromas> or hockey
[03:39:37] * chromas doesn't know sports seasons
[03:39:58] <cmn32480> basketball and hockey are in plyoffs now
[03:40:26] <chromas> alls I knows is more sports need fights like hockey
[03:44:21] <cmn32480> lol
[04:15:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tech Giants Vow to Tackle Online Hate Speech Within 24 Hours - http://sylnt.us - quick-to-censor
[04:32:00] <cmn32480> hotels should not stock sandpaper instead of toilet paper
[04:33:27] <SirFinkus> bidets
[04:33:33] <SirFinkus> really, toilet paper is shit
[04:33:41] <SirFinkus> trust me, I'm an expert on taking shits
[04:33:44] <cmn32480> yeah....
[04:33:44] <SirFinkus> been doing it all my life
[04:34:02] <cmn32480> i usually bring wipes
[04:34:11] <SirFinkus> you need the wetness
[04:34:27] <cmn32480> uh huh
[04:48:43] <SirFinkus> how're things cmn32480, balls better yet?
[04:57:57] <cmn32480> sorry... was regretting my choice of dinner earlier then expected
[04:57:59] <cmn32480> yes
[04:58:09] <cmn32480> last 2 stitches fell out yesterday
[04:58:15] <SirFinkus> nice
[04:58:28] * SirFinkus cringed at stitches still
[04:58:30] <cmn32480> so no more infection zits on my sac
[04:58:36] <cmn32480> which is good
[04:58:46] <SirFinkus> how'd you get rid of those?
[04:58:57] <cmn32480> they pretty well stop when the stitches come out
[04:59:04] <SirFinkus> but I don't have any stitches
[04:59:37] <cmn32480> I'd suggest penecillin
[05:00:19] <chromas> if you don't have stitches then why do you have a seam down there?
[05:00:30] <cmn32480> the stitches fell out
[05:00:41] <chromas> oh I meant SirFinkus
[05:00:56] <chromas> #scrotalseams
[05:01:09] <SirFinkus> it's a conspiracy
[05:01:11] <SirFinkus> THERMITE PAINT
[05:01:19] <SirFinkus> CHEMTRAILS
[05:01:44] <chromas> JET FUEL CAN'T MELT SCROTAL SEAMS!
[05:01:52] * cmn32480 passes on this part of the conversation
[05:02:21] <SirFinkus> because you're one of them
[05:02:31] <SirFinkus> you've already had your precious bodily fluids stolen
[05:02:34] <cmn32480> a scrotal seam??
[05:02:38] <cmn32480> I am not
[05:02:46] <SirFinkus> prove it
[05:03:22] <SirFinkus> thought so
[05:03:51] <cmn32480> how does one prove a negative?
[05:04:08] <cmn32480> but I now have 2 extras
[05:04:27] <SirFinkus> HE'S A TRIPOD
[05:05:36] <cmn32480> I'm three seams to the dick
[05:05:37] <cmn32480> nograb
[05:06:22] <SirFinkus> we three seama of orient are
[05:06:56] <chromas> another expansion of "cmn"
[05:06:59] <chromas> seamin'
[05:07:06] <SirFinkus> holy shit
[05:07:11] <cmn32480> lol
[05:07:19] <SirFinkus> I'd upvote if I wasn't boycotting the karma system because of vote rigging
[05:07:28] <cmn32480> sirfinkus++
[05:07:28] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 39
[05:07:30] <chromas> I think only coffee's rigged
[05:07:31] <chromas> plus
[05:07:37] <chromas> Coffee--
[05:07:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2633
[05:07:41] <cmn32480> coffee++ is rigged?
[05:07:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2634
[05:07:44] <cmn32480> how so?
[05:07:47] <SirFinkus> you THINK only coffee is rigged
[05:07:59] <cmn32480> what else is rigged?
[05:08:01] <chromas> only coffee--
[05:08:13] <chromas> but it doesn't know about mixed case
[05:08:15] <cmn32480> coffee--
[05:08:15] <Bender> karma - tea: 551
[05:08:19] <SirFinkus> bender's admin (forgot who) has proven to be untrustworthy
[05:08:26] <cmn32480> Coffee--
[05:08:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2633
[05:08:32] <cmn32480> hmmmm
[05:08:53] <cmn32480> long as you capitalize the C in Coffee it works
[05:09:01] <SirFinkus> still fucked
[05:09:15] <cmn32480> blame themightybuzzard
[05:09:35] <cmn32480> hah... we are in the same time zone SirFinkus
[05:09:36] <SirFinkus> seems like a good policy in general
[05:09:44] <SirFinkus> neat, wanna fuck?
[05:09:56] <cmn32480> what's it worth to ya>
[05:10:03] <chromas> a/s/tz
[05:10:13] <SirFinkus> 3 minutes of my time
[05:11:05] <cmn32480> yer 11 hours away from me
[05:11:31] <chromas> then you'd better come quick
[05:11:37] <cmn32480> I'd never make it back to the customer site for tomrrow
[05:11:48] <cmn32480> that'll not be an issue chromas
[05:11:51] <SirFinkus> glad you got the joke chromas
[05:12:42] <SirFinkus> you should come up cmn32480, I have horrific gas right now, it'd make things interesting
[05:13:05] <cmn32480> get in the bed and pull the blankets over your head. I'll be there shortly... honest
[05:13:36] <SirFinkus> one time I ate an entire recipe of chex mix in one day and my farts smelled so bad they made me vomit
[05:14:39] <SirFinkus> that worchester sauce will fuck your colon up
[05:14:42] <SirFinkus> however you spell it
[05:14:54] <SirFinkus> it's made from fish juice
[05:15:45] <SirFinkus> these ones aren't that bad smell wise, but they're potent and stay around forever
[05:17:43] <cmn32480> I'm so happy for you
[05:19:08] <SirFinkus> dairy farts
[05:19:40] <chromas> dairy queef
[05:19:53] * chromas orders the blue waffle cone
[05:21:37] <cmn32480> all right... bed time
[05:21:41] <cmn32480> see ya tomorrow
[05:27:31] <cmn32480> ~gnight SirFinkus
[05:27:33] * exec dexterously inserts yo mama of g'day juice into SirFinkus
[05:27:36] <cmn32480> ~gnight chrimas
[05:27:37] <SirFinkus> night
[05:27:39] * exec cromulently pits an animated gif of bewb against chrimas
[05:27:42] <cmn32480> ~gnight chromas
[05:27:45] * exec metrosexually imagines a tray of windows 7 with chromas
[05:27:49] <chromas> ~g'night seamin'
[05:27:52] * exec homogeneously generates a small script that substitutes an old shoe full of onion dip for seamin'
[05:28:12] <chromas> Windows_7++
[05:28:12] <Bender> karma - windows_7: 1
[05:28:25] <chromas> I wonder how hard it'd be to stuff the win 10 kernel into 7
[05:28:41] <SirFinkus> you just like windows 7 because the other windows are so bad
[05:28:49] <chromas> well yeah
[05:29:03] <chromas> 7 was the last 'good' one
[05:46:16] <chromas> the tmux/systemd story's trying its best to rank in for highest comment count
[05:47:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hypermiling the Indianapolis 500 to a Win - http://sylnt.us - Zoom!-Zoom!
[07:18:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Introducing HyperDev - http://sylnt.us - downloads-and-backups?
[07:59:11] <crutchy> ~sn
[07:59:13] <exec> https://soylentnews.org
[08:00:41] <crutchy> windows 95 was the best... the bsod was still a novelty
[08:00:55] <crutchy> i don't remember getting bsods in win3.1
[08:03:45] <boru> It was nice to be able to move the C:\ drive to the recycle bin.
[08:04:00] <boru> Win2k was as good as it got, imho.
[08:04:40] <boru> Did they ever get around to fixing that serial port bug where windows assumes everything you plug into the serial port is a mouse?
[08:54:11] <Tramtrist> correct
[08:54:13] <Tramtrist> win2k was the best
[08:54:15] <Tramtrist> still is
[08:54:22] <Tramtrist> !google blackwingcat blog
[08:54:28] <Tramtrist> !find blackwingcat blog
[08:54:31] <Tramtrist> awh hell
[08:54:35] <Tramtrist> !search blackwingcat blog
[08:54:35] <Bender> choose one of: rss-search, user-search, chatlog-search
[08:54:39] <Tramtrist> whoa
[08:54:51] <Tramtrist> bender is undstandard
[09:04:04] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.bbc.com
[09:04:33] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[09:04:34] <crutchy> Tramtrist, try ~g
[09:04:46] <crutchy> ~g blackwingcat blog
[09:04:48] <exec> [google] blog.livedoor.jp/blackwingcat/
[09:05:19] <crutchy> ~title blog.livedoor.jp/blackwingcat/
[09:05:44] <crutchy> ~title http://blog.livedoor.jp
[09:05:47] <exec> 13ǭΥԥ塼 2nd Edition - Windows 2000 Blog [04????ǭ?Υ????ԥ塼?????? 2nd Edition - Windows 2000 Blog]
[09:06:06] <crutchy> wow. that soo did not work
[09:06:36] <crutchy> ~translate 黒翼猫のコンピュータ日記
[09:06:38] <exec> [google] 黒翼猫のコンピュータ日記 (auto -> en): Black wing cat computer diary
[09:19:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Basic Income Experiment by Y Combinator Draws Nearer - http://sylnt.us - What-would-YOU-do-with-a-basic-income?
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[10:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:02:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2634
[10:12:31] <boru> coffee+=0x29a
[10:12:40] <boru> coffee<<=3
[10:12:42] <boru> For shame.
[10:27:45] <chromas> win2k was pretty good except the unnecessarily long boot times and the sound driver kept locking up on me (logout/login fixed it though)
[10:38:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[10:38:46] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with trojan horse penis
[10:39:04] <chromas> I think there's missing article
[10:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, appears so
[10:39:43] <chromas> ooh, it's a trojan. Must be how all the seamen got in my mouth
[10:40:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab chromas
[10:40:38] <Bender> Added quote 736
[10:41:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, fixed in the db
[10:42:24] <chromas> is it set to require unique strings?
[10:42:31] <chromas> so we don't dupe
[10:42:43] * chromas submits a trojan dupe
[10:44:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[10:44:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> just removed a dupe in fact
[10:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> my house is infested with kitten. the roomie's kids asked the neighbor lady if her kitten could sleep over last night.
[10:50:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - To Strengthen an Opinion, Simply Say It is Based On Morality - http://sylnt.us - I'm-morally-opposed-to-statements-about-morality
[10:51:04] <crutchy> you got next door pussy?
[10:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[10:51:19] <crutchy> thcore
[10:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's an amusing little shit too. just spent five minutes whooping the ass of one of the kids' dirty socks they left in the floor.
[10:53:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smakeadd a dupe
[10:53:12] <MrPlow> "a dupe" added.
[10:54:00] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[10:54:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really could use a hash datatype for rust
[11:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, no, that would be a bad way to lay that out
[11:05:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> need to NOT dupe up data
[11:33:12] <crutchy> dirty socks need an ass whoopin sometimes
[11:33:20] <crutchy> gotta show em who's boss
[11:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i dislike having structs within structs within structs. it confuses my brain.
[11:57:44] <chromas> spice it up. do struct -> class -> struct
[11:58:01] <chromas> Is there a most-commented stories page?
[12:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, https://soylentnews.org
[12:39:25] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[12:40:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had one up there for like five minutes then another one whooped its ass by like one comment.
[12:41:27] <chromas> Neat. I guess the devuan/CoC article still has some work to get there
[12:41:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yurp
[12:42:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> long way to go
[12:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, i do have one up there!
[12:42:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> 40 Percent of Millennials Okay With Legally Limiting Offensive Speech
[12:43:51] <chromas> but is that true? or was it the high quality polling that gave us the one-in-three stat?
[12:46:09] <boru> Good grief.
[12:46:40] * chromas sets out a football
[12:51:51] * crutchy just realised that his SN uid is one more than CmdrTaco's
[12:52:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, nice
[12:52:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel and AMD News From Computex 2016 - http://sylnt.us - chipping-away-at-the-market
[12:52:50] <crutchy> https://soylentnews.org
[12:52:51] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN comment by [02crutchy (179)] (02Score:2, Informative)
[12:52:53] <crutchy> lol
[12:53:22] <crutchy> that was so long ago
[12:53:25] <crutchy> damn
[12:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> gak, just sqooshed an ant that was trying to crawl into my butt crack.
[12:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, back when you actually logged in
[12:53:52] <crutchy> lol
[12:53:59] <chromas> which scent dominates?
[12:54:08] <chromas> ant_scent--
[12:54:08] <Bender> karma - ant_scent: -1
[12:54:24] <crutchy> was it a piss ant?
[12:54:43] <chromas> piss ant in the buttcrack. sounds gay
[12:54:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, it was kind of sqooshed.
[12:54:48] <crutchy> they stink if you squish them
[12:54:56] <chromas> I think they all do
[12:55:09] <crutchy> piss ants are aptly named though
[12:55:32] <crutchy> apt-get remove piss-ant
[12:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, if your uid were one greater it would be exactly ten times mine
[12:56:10] <crutchy> i think konomi's is 10 more than mine. not sure why i remember that
[12:59:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i kinda miss her but if she's gonna get run off by EF, she's too fragile for us anyway.
[13:05:13] <crutchy> wtf? https://snag.gy
[13:05:47] <chromas> We need our own gnaa
[13:05:54] <chromas> gnu/aa
[13:06:04] <crutchy> lol
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[13:09:38] <crutchy> ~tell cmn32480 if you wanna test the arthur stuff, join #crutchy and try it out with x. commands are "~submit-story list" and "~submit-story %id%". shows wiki login shit but eventually we can hide that. also submits to dev atm
[13:16:27] <cmn32480> crutchy++
[13:16:27] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 208
[13:17:28] <cmn32480> that is excellent crutchy
[13:18:33] <cmn32480> and I even like the design ofthe wiki page :-)
[13:18:35] <cmn32480> crutchy++
[13:18:35] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 209
[13:19:05] * cmn32480 si currently regretting the hotwings from last night
[13:19:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[13:19:14] * exec analiciously drops a plate of pocket cmn on cmn32480
[13:19:17] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:19:20] * exec allegedly culturally appropriates a bottle of dough from TheMightyBuzzard
[13:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> draw?
[13:19:34] <cmn32480> draw
[13:20:03] <cmn32480> how goes?
[13:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty well. getting armor class calculating done for the game.
[13:20:35] <cmn32480> nice
[13:20:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> surprisingly large amount of things that can factor in.
[13:21:02] <cmn32480> beyond material and strength?
[13:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> got the innate ac of the armor, the maximum dex bonus to ac it will allow (heavy armors allow less or none), spell effects, shields, and magic items that grant bonus ac
[13:22:49] <cmn32480> ah geez.... thigns are complicated
[13:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus there are fighter skills that can conditionally grant ac depending on what weapons you are using
[13:23:35] * cmn32480 's head starts spinning
[13:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy for a human brain to do but very complex to teach a computer to do.
[13:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean i game at irregular intervals with the roomie's kids who're <= 10 years old and they can just rattle off the answer
[13:25:26] <cmn32480> so it is easier to know then explain?
[13:26:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just don't have to check conditionals cause you already know the conditionals your character satisfies and just do the simple addition
[13:27:09] <cmn32480> ahhh
[13:28:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why it can take a while to set a new character up analog style. you gotta go through all those checks mentally.
[13:28:59] <cmn32480> understood
[13:36:28] <cmn32480> ow... that burns
[13:38:31] <cmn32480> fucking wings...
[13:53:30] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $1,684
[13:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> just think of it as making the ole bunghole tougher and more manly
[14:10:34] <cmn32480> yeah... jsut hope I don't shit my pants at the custoerm asite
[14:10:43] <cmn32480> speaking of which... gotta run.
[14:10:51] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[14:10:54] * exec scientifically hucks a mountain of stock options at #soylent
[14:17:24] <alexbst> heh
[14:23:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Swiss Rail Tunnel Completed - http://sylnt.us - toot-toot
[14:38:49] <Runaway1956> The Swiss are making cheese of their mountains?
[14:44:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, they been doing that forever. i'd be amazed if they're not all hollow.
[14:45:09] <paulej72> ~moo
[14:45:10] <exec> (__)
[14:45:10] <exec> (oo)
[14:45:10] <exec> /------\/
[14:45:10] <exec> / | ||
[14:45:10] <exec> * /\---/\
[14:45:11] <exec> ~~ ~~
[14:45:12] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[14:45:59] <paulej72> coffee++
[14:45:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2635
[14:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, boss guy. hows things up in yankeeville?
[14:47:32] <paulej72> bit busy. My departemtn had two factor authentication truned on today and I have been helping some of them set it up
[14:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads. i think i'd rather not log in as to have to jump through that extra hoop.
[14:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[14:49:15] * exec whole-heartedly offers an array of pink taco to Bytram
[14:49:17] <paulej72> well it is mostly for remote things like websites, RDP and VPN
[14:49:20] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:49:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2636
[14:49:22] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[14:49:25] * exec slowly hangs a trigger warning sign about a chest of onion dip on TheMightyBuzzard
[14:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[14:49:38] <Bytram> paulej72: good luck with that!
[14:50:05] <paulej72> plus on browsers you can set a 90 day remember me cookie
[14:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i mean that'd require me to actually remember where i put my phone or whatever.
[14:50:43] <Bytram> paulej72: so, they have to give up a phone number for access?
[14:51:06] <Bytram> I assume that is a 'company-issued' phone?
[14:51:09] <paulej72> or get a hardware key genterator
[14:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:51:33] <paulej72> no most phones are user owned. they can also ahve it call thier land line
[14:52:14] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:52:46] <Bytram> though I do like the 'concept' of two-factor authentication, I strongly dislike having to tie it to personally identifiable information.
[14:52:55] <Bytram> hardware key gen ++
[14:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> one thing that peeves me off about rust. leave a semi-colon off the end of the line and it means "evaluate this line then return what you get"
[14:53:22] <Bytram> imagine having one of these to host SN: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[14:53:23] <Schwifty> ^ 03Oracle plans Exadata-as-a-service, in cloud or on-prem • The Register
[14:53:35] <paulej72> i need to get one of the dongles as I need it for when I may forget my phone at home
[14:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> so `foo` == `return foo;`
[14:53:57] <Bytram> yep, or the battery runs out or...
[14:54:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - To Strengthen an Opinion, Simply Say it is Based On Morality - http://sylnt.us - I'm-morally-opposed-to-statements-about-morality
[14:54:39] <paulej72> I am morally opposed to Hillary and Donald
[14:55:01] <paulej72> I think they should be each ohther's running mate
[14:55:23] <Runaway1956> Run to the bottom?
[14:55:45] <Bytram> who's the boss? /me tries to imagine trump being veep -- fails at the attempt
[14:55:47] <paulej72> Do I want to vote Clinton Trump or Trump Clinton
[14:55:54] <Bytram> ninja'd
[14:56:25] <Bytram> BTC: Bernie Trumps Clinton
[14:57:40] <Bytram> crutchy: looks like exec in #folding has his timer a bit off; just updated at 53+m after update was availlable
[14:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, funny you should mention that. me and the roomie were discussing what if trump is a hillary ringer on account of he was a democrat up until just a very few years ago.
[14:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it's entirely possible he could pick her for his running mate and run against her as well.
[15:00:37] <Runaway1956> I have a warped mind TMB, but my mind can't warp itself in that manner
[15:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd be pretty epic if true and they pulled it off. i would laugh myself unconscious.
[15:01:28] <Bytram> "warp my mind about that" -- new meme?
[15:01:58] <Runaway1956> Just can't warp it
[15:02:08] <paulej72> the damned if you do and damn if you don't issue.
[15:02:36] <paulej72> I think in this case warp is the proper word
[15:02:38] <Bytram> let's do the time wrap agaaaain
[15:02:48] <Bytram> IOW: Groundhog Day
[15:02:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's just a jump to the left
[15:02:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> and a step to the right
[15:03:01] <Runaway1956> Meanwhile, in real life - I'm trying to decide how funny it is when "managers" run off at the mouth
[15:03:25] <Runaway1956> Plant manager tells corporate, "Send us any mold you have, we'll shoot it and send you the samples"
[15:03:25] <Bytram> they couldn't "manage" to do otherwise?
[15:03:29] <paulej72> depends if it is about you are not Runaway1956
[15:03:39] <Runaway1956> So, we get the mold in - and can't put it into any machines we own
[15:03:42] <paulej72> s/are/or/
[15:03:42] <sedctl> <paulej72> depends if it is about you or not Runaway1956
[15:04:11] <Runaway1956> So, they are jumping through their asses, trying to figure out how to run a 750 ton mold in a 550 ton machine
[15:04:31] <paulej72> buy a new 750 tone machine :)
[15:04:35] * Bytram helpfully offers a pair of scissors
[15:04:49] <paulej72> crowbar and some soap
[15:04:54] <Runaway1956> First, they would have to admit they screwed the pooch, before asking for funds for a larger machine
[15:04:55] * Bytram suggests someone might need a diet?
[15:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> wd40
[15:05:06] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:05:06] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 240
[15:05:07] <Runaway1956> maybe wash it in hot water
[15:05:23] <paulej72> elbow grease
[15:05:27] <Runaway1956> after a hot water wash, try the WD40
[15:05:48] <paulej72> liquid nitrogen. Will srhink it rihgt up
[15:06:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> duct tape, WD40, and violence. the universal toolkit because one of them will fix ANYTHING
[15:06:02] <Runaway1956> Of course, talking to those managers while trying to conceal the amusement is difficult . . . .
[15:06:15] <Runaway1956> YAY VIOLENCE!!
[15:07:05] <Runaway1956> I guess we could cut the tie bars apart, put the mold inside the machine, then put the machine back together around the mold . . . THAT sounds like fun!
[15:07:16] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:07:49] <Bytram> what mareial are you using for the mold?
[15:07:52] <Bytram> *material
[15:08:03] <Runaway1956> The molds are tool steel
[15:08:20] <Runaway1956> They're kinda hard to bend, fold, spindle or mutilate
[15:08:26] <paulej72> what matherial are you molding?
[15:08:30] <Bytram> lemme try again, the mold *itself* is tool steel, what do you *fill* the molds with?
[15:08:32] <Runaway1956> Oh - plastic
[15:08:39] <Bytram> ah
[15:08:55] <Bytram> chances of doing it by hand?
[15:08:59] <Runaway1956> these are all plastic injection machines - or plastic intrusion depending on choice of terminology
[15:09:15] <paulej72> so the mold had heating and cooling built into it as needed.
[15:09:15] <Bytram> creates a hollow part? or solid?
[15:09:18] <Runaway1956> LOL - not at 350 to 550 degrees - not with MY hands
[15:09:31] * Bytram looks for some asbestos gloves
[15:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> pansy
[15:09:35] <Bytram> lol
[15:09:41] <Runaway1956> Almost all our parts are solid - we use nitrogen injection to make a few things hollow
[15:10:49] <Bytram> what kind of part dimensions are we talking about?
[15:11:25] <Bytram> my new phone provides a much faster, but flakier, internet connection. :(
[15:11:45] <Runaway1956> Funny - I haven't laid eyes on the mold yet - but it has to be more than three feet wide, and four feet high, and the depth will be - ohhh - not less than 30 inches
[15:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> flaky is good in biscuits but not so much in phones
[15:12:03] <Bytram> urgh! that's a mite bit big for hand molding!!
[15:12:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod; pie crusts, too
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[15:12:47] <Runaway1956> A couple years back, we went around and measured, then labled each machine for all the minimum and maximum dimensions, in all three directions
[15:12:53] <Bytram> Runaway1956: what in the world are you molding? that's like a cubic yard of material!
[15:12:55] <Runaway1956> Appears they've lost those numbers
[15:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> cut the som bitch in half, make it as two pieces, then staple them together
[15:13:34] <Runaway1956> Errrrr, no, Bytram - that's the size of the mold - the cavities inside of the mold, where the material goes, seldom holds more than a cubic foot of materail
[15:13:59] <Bytram> well, that makes a bit more sense. still a pretty big piece, though.
[15:14:01] <Runaway1956> and very few pieces are that big - many of our parts only weigh a few grams
[15:14:15] <Bytram> can you reveal what kinds of things you are making?
[15:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> feet aren't cubic, they're oblong-ish. is that like a spherical cow?
[15:14:39] <Runaway1956> If you have a lawn and garden product, chances are we made a part in it
[15:15:05] <Runaway1956> spherical cows can fool you Buzzard - they fart square methane cubes
[15:15:05] * Bytram examines his lawn gnome collection; knowingly nods his approval
[15:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that only fools decepticons who think they're energon cubes.
[15:15:56] <Runaway1956> Let me rephrase that - if you have consumer grade lawn and garden power tools, we probably had a hand in it
[15:16:08] <Runaway1956> Professional grade, then chances are somewhat lower
[15:16:37] <Bytram> like a Toro weed whacker?
[15:16:44] <Runaway1956> That kind of thing, yes
[15:17:02] <Bytram> ahhhh
[15:17:07] <Runaway1956> chain saws, mowers, weed eaters, etc ad nauseum
[15:17:17] <Bytram> k
[15:17:28] <Bytram> and this would be the plastic bits that surround the moving parts?
[15:17:49] <Runaway1956> Some lawn tractors are now getting platic hoods - something like that will require a thousand ton machine to mold it
[15:18:01] <Runaway1956> we only make the plastic bits
[15:18:10] <paulej72> My aunt work at the Gilmore factory for a while would get all kinds of sprinklers, hose ends and sprayers from her.
[15:18:51] <paulej72> They then started making GreatNeck tools too so we got some saws and drill bit and other small shit too
[15:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, so your aunt was a Gilmore Girl?
[15:19:20] * Bytram remembers his first drill - a hand cranked GreatNeck !!
[15:19:24] <Runaway1956> GreatNeck - I've never seen them on a store shelf, but mostly, they seem like good tools when I stumble across them
[15:19:34] <paulej72> Well when she was working there she would have not been conciderd a Girl any longer.
[15:20:25] * TheMightyBuzzard debates making a transphobic joke but decides he needs a smoke more
[15:20:28] <paulej72> seem it he operable word. I was never really impressed with them. cheap plastic on the hadles and such
[15:20:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[15:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[15:20:44] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 49
[15:21:05] * Runaway1956 remembers when the world was made of metal
[15:21:32] <Runaway1956> The only plastic to be found in a chain saw was dense thermoset plastic
[15:21:52] <Runaway1956> plastic was for cheap Japanese toys
[15:21:59] <chromas> It still is
[15:22:05] <chromas> only it's Chinese now
[15:22:08] <chromas> Everything's a toy
[15:22:17] <Runaway1956> yeah - unfortunately
[15:22:48] <Bytram> sorry guys, wish I knew what was going on with my connection -- is driving me bonkers!
[15:23:10] <Bytram> http://news.yale.edu
[15:23:11] <Schwifty> ^ 03YaleNews | Doubling down on Schrödinger’s cat
[15:23:22] <Bytram> http://dx.doi.org
[15:23:23] <Schwifty> ^ 03301 Moved Permanently ( http://science.sciencemag.org )
[15:23:26] <Runaway1956> News on the cat? I'm on it!
[15:23:49] <Bytram> http://science.sciencemag.org
[15:23:51] <Schwifty> ^ 03A Schrödinger cat living in two boxes | Science
[15:24:10] <Runaway1956> Oh-kay, but what about all the other boxes?
[15:24:11] <Bytram> Runaway1956: be sure you bring a laser pointer!
[15:27:32] <Bytram> Runaway1956: daisy-chain 'em?
[15:33:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> daisy chaining cats sounds nasty and possibly illegal
[15:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid sunburn
[15:35:23] <chromas> Are you a redhead now?
[15:35:50] <Runaway1956> CHROMAS!!! Don't give TMB any excuse to show you his head!
[15:35:57] <Runaway1956> BAD CHROMAS!
[15:36:03] <chromas> I've already seen it
[15:36:04] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: daisy chain cat boxes (prolly gonna need a bigger pooper scooper, too)
[15:36:27] <Bytram> Off with his head! Alice in somehtingoranother
[15:36:34] <chromas> chains
[15:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nah, gravis's robots will do that for us.
[15:37:21] * Bytram wishes he had one of those robots growing up -- cleaning up the dog's 'efforts' was unpleasant, at best.
[15:37:36] <chromas> or fun
[15:37:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, no, i wore a hat. unfortunately i also wore a wife-beater instead of a t-shirt.
[15:37:42] <chromas> scoop 'n' flick
[15:38:47] <Bytram> a trebuchet touché ??
[15:39:05] <Runaway1956> Be careful who sees you lighting that cigarette - http://aranews.net
[15:39:06] <Schwifty> ^ 03ISIS executes cigarette sellers in Iraq's Mosul - ARA News
[15:39:11] <chromas> a tre-poo-chet
[15:39:19] <Bytram> chromas++
[15:39:19] <Bender> karma - chromas: 170
[15:39:25] <chromas> isis++
[15:39:25] <Bender> karma - isis: 1
[15:39:32] <Gravis> one mod for insightful another mod for troll. interesting. https://soylentnews.org
[15:39:34] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2, Troll)
[15:41:11] <Bytram> http://www.symmetrymagazine.org
[15:41:11] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03What is a “particle”? | symmetry magazine ( http://www.symmetrymagazine.org )
[15:42:44] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you wrote that i was "spinning" the issue last night but i simply pointed out that internet security has barely changed in the last 20 years after you claimed it had evolved a "huge" amount.
[15:42:58] <Gravis> Runaway1956: what you failed to do is back up your claim with facts
[15:43:32] <chromas> nonsense! password lengths have gone all the way to 8-20 characters now
[15:43:33] <Runaway1956> National security, in regards to the "electronic age" is still evolving
[15:43:52] <Gravis> Runaway1956: yes, as i said, the internet hasn't changed, people have.
[15:44:14] <Gravis> that was my entire point
[15:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, mine are over 30 characters =P
[15:44:54] <Runaway1956> From my email - http://www.raxco.com
[15:44:56] <Schwifty> ^ 03Windows Remote Helpdesk Tool - Sysgem Access Gateway | Raxco Software
[15:45:18] * Runaway1956 asks, "Why not learn to use my operating system the way it was meant to be used, instead?"
[15:45:27] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[15:45:28] <Schwifty> ^ 03King Tut's iron dagger of extraterrestrial origin • The Register
[15:45:31] <Runaway1956> Every OS has remote access options . . .
[15:45:57] * Bytram nervously looks at his DOS 3.1 floppies
[15:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, trumpet winsock
[15:47:03] * Bytram thinks *win*sock came a bit after DOS 3.1 =)
[15:47:34] * Bytram once actually had DOS 2.0 floppies, but started with PC DOS 3.1
[15:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nope. you ran it on winders < 95. back when windows was just another program not an operating system.
[15:48:41] <Gravis> Runaway1956: obviously because there is a "30-Day Free Trial!" ;)
[15:48:48] <Bytram> huh? are you saying you could run winsock on DOS?
[15:49:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: PC DOS 3.1, not Windows 3.1
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[15:50:11] <Bytram> Gravis++ bingo!
[15:50:11] <Bender> karma - gravis: 7
[15:50:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, windows was just another program back then, not an OS, so it still counts.
[15:50:19] <Runaway1956> one important point, I said "has" as in the present, rather than "had" thirty years ago
[15:51:23] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: PC DOS 3.1 is from 1985 and windows 3.1 is from 1992. -_-
[15:51:55] <chromas> is that a smug face?
[15:52:02] * Runaway1956 asks when Microsoft first developed networking
[15:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff, i'll look up a modem dialer program for it then.
[15:52:38] <chromas> networking was invented by microsoft in 1995
[15:54:15] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: admitting you are wrong isn't easy but sometimes it's the best course of action.
[15:55:05] <Gravis> i like to think of it as updating your knowledge so that you can be right in the future. :)
[15:55:08] <chromas> So...trumpet winsock doesn't run on dos 3.1?
[15:55:45] <Runaway1956> I'm halfheartedly browsing some networking history - not finding anything about early microsoft networking
[15:56:36] <Gravis> Runaway1956: look up winsock on wikipedia
[15:57:24] <Runaway1956> http://www.linfo.org
[15:57:25] <Schwifty> ^ 03network operating system: an operating system designed for network use
[16:00:55] <Runaway1956> That pretty much clears that up, Gravis - prior to Windows for Workgroups, all MS systems used third party networking
[16:01:53] <Runaway1956> And, that makes another kind of sense - when MS offered easy networking, they took off like a supersonic jet
[16:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> "MS-DOS Kermit was one of the original Kermit programs, first released in 1982, shortly after the IBM PC was announced..." compatible with msdos 2.0+
[16:11:13] <Gravis> i doubt that win 3.1 would even run on PC DOS 3.1
[16:11:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I recall using Procomm+ on PC DOS to gain dial-up access to BBS; but I would find it hard to call that 'networking' -- more like a dumb, remote terminal over a serial line.
[16:11:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> really dunno. might have to try it later if i can find disk images.
[16:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, kermit came with its own tcp-ip stack. you could internet if you could find a number offering a connection.
[16:13:10] <Bytram> intersting... /me ponders
[16:13:53] <Gravis> yeah... all the kids love to internet
[16:13:58] <Gravis> ;)
[16:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i actually had a land-line i'd consider setting up a bbs just for kicks
[16:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just not the same telneting in to one though
[16:15:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you could always use virtual hardware to run a VoIP based BBS that could be completely virtual
[16:16:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh... now there's an idea
[16:16:23] <Runaway1956> Don't forget - IN THE CLOUD!!
[16:16:57] <Gravis> you could do that too
[16:17:23] <Runaway1956> No, I couldn't - networking kicks my ass when it's simple
[16:17:41] <Runaway1956> add just one kink, and I'm not even in the fight anymore
[16:17:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: https://en.wikipedia.org(protocol)
[16:17:44] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Kermit (protocol
[16:18:07] <Bytram> from reading that, it appears that Kermit was its own protocol; not TCP/IP - based
[16:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, was talking about this: http://www.columbia.edu
[16:18:27] <Schwifty> ^ 03MS-DOS Kermit
[16:18:28] <Gravis> Bytram: yeah... it's no IPX. :P
[16:18:37] * Bytram clicks
[16:18:44] <Runaway1956> That's interesting - could you start up a modern day dark net using Kermit?
[16:19:01] <Gravis> yes
[16:19:16] <Gravis> darknets are easy to make
[16:19:30] <Gravis> all you gotta do is not use http
[16:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> and not racist. gotta be whitenets to be racist.
[16:19:47] <Runaway1956> do I hear a "but" in there? "Easy to make but easy to break" maybe?
[16:20:36] * Runaway1956 wonders about food
[16:20:45] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders if he wants to use item weight in the game or not
[16:22:22] <Gravis> Runaway1956: a darknet is easy to make but making it coherent and cohesive is harder
[16:22:38] <Runaway1956> The thing about tribbles - I mean kids - is, they never stop eating your stuff
[16:22:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it does seem that it supported TCP/IP back in the day... interesting!
[16:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, i used to know my powers of twos way higher than i do nowadays.
[16:23:41] <Runaway1956> "powers of twos" means, don't go on the beach without a buddy to carry you back when you fall down drunk
[16:24:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for me. saves me having to remember what 2^25 is
[16:24:53] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: to a rough approximation 2^10 ~= 10^3
[16:25:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Charles Cavell, U.S. Mustard Gas Test Subject, Dies at 89 - http://sylnt.us - what-the-hell-were-we-thinking?
[16:25:16] <Bytram> so 2^5 * 10^6
[16:25:27] <Gravis> Bytram: ha! stop using base 10 you pansy
[16:25:31] <Runaway1956> You know that stuff gets easier if you keep your sliderule handy
[16:25:35] <Bytram> so, about 32 million
[16:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar but i gotter be exact since i'm writing out bitmask constants.
[16:26:25] * Runaway1956 hasn't seen his own sliderule in about 40 years
[16:26:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose i could write them as other than decimal but where's the fun in that?
[16:26:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's (1<<25)
[16:27:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, true but ^^
[16:27:20] <Bytram> 33554432
[16:27:23] <chromas> 0b00000010000000000000000000000000
[16:27:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ya, i particularly like that one cause it's got 3, 4, and 5 repeated in it.
[16:27:51] <Gravis> easier to remember: 0x02000000
[16:28:30] <Gravis> Bytram: what is it with you can base 10? seriously, it's got no place in computrz welrd
[16:29:04] * Bytram introduces Gravis to BCD calculations with exact decimal calculations
[16:29:57] <Gravis> Bytram: nope. 5/2 == 2
[16:30:21] * Bytram introduces Gravis to the concept of offset
[16:30:35] <Runaway1956> I thought I'd go wading with Cafebabe - but she went way in over my head - https://soylentnews.org
[16:30:37] <Schwifty> ^ 03Journal of cafebabe (894)
[16:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet zombie jebus, she done went and NCommander'd us
[16:31:34] <Bytram> Gravis: eg: https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:31:34] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Binary-coded decimal
[16:32:05] <Gravis> Bytram: i know what BCD is. banks would be in serious trouble without it.
[16:32:12] <Bytram> zactly
[16:32:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> banks are in serious trouble, they just don't know it yet.
[16:33:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: wrong again. they know it but they know the government has no choice but to help them.
[16:33:45] <Gravis> "to big to fail"
[16:33:58] <Gravis> too*
[16:34:00] * Bytram offers Gravis an "o"
[16:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was giving them the benefit of the doubt
[16:34:09] <Runaway1956> also to big to fail
[16:34:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it happens sometimes when i'm in a good mood cause of coffee
[16:34:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[16:34:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2637
[16:34:45] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: when it comes to banks, always expect malice.
[16:34:55] <Runaway1956> coffee++ the source of good moods
[16:34:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2638
[16:35:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, when it comes to banks i don't expect anything. i have nothing to do with them.
[16:36:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you don't until you do
[16:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> not since they held a cash deposit for three days so that they could bounce a check i wrote to the highway patrol for a ticket.
[16:36:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was not a fun phone call.
[16:37:08] <Runaway1956> cops frown on bouncing checks . . .
[16:37:17] <Bytram> postalmoneyorders++
[16:37:17] <Bender> karma - postalmoneyorders: 1
[16:37:25] <Runaway1956> and they don't care who is at fault - they look at the name on top
[16:37:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> next day i went down there and said gimme mah moneys and fuck entirely off
[16:37:51] <Runaway1956> Did their mouths turn into fly catchers?
[16:37:53] <Gravis> ha! a check, how quaint.
[16:38:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, ya, well, it was a long time ago. back when dirt was still a novel invention.
[16:39:49] * Runaway1956 remembers how "grown up" he felt when he got his first checking account
[16:40:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nowadays i got options. cash money being my default but you can also grab a money order from the local convenience store or a prepaid CC from wal-mart. one of the three will pretty much always work.
[16:41:00] <Runaway1956> That cash money thing even works for paying ransom
[16:41:14] <Runaway1956> or blackmail
[16:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. it's basically good for anything but paying bills through the mail, internet purchases, or bitcoin fanatics.
[16:43:07] <Gravis> pff... you people and your money
[16:43:17] <chromas> you don't pay bills by mailing rolls of quarters?
[16:43:43] <Runaway1956> The postage would be prohibitive - I send thousand dollar bills
[16:44:02] <Gravis> Runaway1956: not unless you are a bank
[16:44:05] * Bytram quickly hacks Runaway1956's address book
[16:44:05] * Runaway1956 notes that there are no thousand dollar US bills
[16:44:15] * Bytram undoes the changes
[16:44:16] <chromas> Put a stamp on and a sticky note saying to take what they need out of the envelope
[16:45:57] <Gravis> raw materials are the only thing with any real value
[16:46:13] <Gravis> everything is just imaginary
[16:46:15] * Bytram prefers his bread fully-baked
[16:46:21] <Gravis> everything else*
[16:46:28] <Runaway1956> The obstetric dilemma -
[16:46:40] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.scientificamerican.com
[16:46:40] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[16:46:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> I consider "value" to be relative anyway
[16:46:55] <Runaway1956> ~submit http://www.scientificamerican.com
[16:47:16] <chromas> http://www.scientificamerican.com
[16:47:16] <Schwifty> ^ 03Does a Newborn's Helplessness Hold the Key to Human Smarts? - Scientific American ( http://www.scientificamerican.com )
[16:47:24] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[16:47:26] <Bytram> http://www.scientificamerican.com
[16:48:13] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: exactly. nothing really has any value.
[16:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird, it should have been able to parse the title for that.
[16:48:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> Some people obviously "value" an issue of People magazine at $3.99 or whatever the cover price is, but it's only value to *me* is to help get a fire started.
[16:48:34] <chromas> tmb: does it handle redirects?
[16:48:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell if i know
[16:49:37] <Runaway1956> Does the bot have Yiddish days, and Slavic days?
[16:49:42] <Gravis> except systemd. systemd is our god now!
[16:49:49] <Gravis> ;)
[16:50:05] <chromas> systemd is love; systemd is life
[16:50:22] * Runaway1956 spills some systemd on Gravis' lap
[16:50:46] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you can't spill systemd, systemd just is.
[16:51:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, all value is relative. doesn't preclude the use of a fixed currency though.
[16:51:30] <Runaway1956> I wish someone would fix my currency
[16:52:07] <Runaway1956> speaking of currency - that funny looking kid of mine who just got his degree
[16:52:19] <Runaway1956> landed a 43k job already
[16:52:32] <Runaway1956> maths for the win
[16:53:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> not bad for right out of college
[16:53:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'good. i can't think of anything i'd pay 43k for a kid who just got out of school for but good on him.
[16:53:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> especially if he's somewhere that cost of living is low
[16:53:24] <Runaway1956> can't do that with basket weaving degrees, unless your name is a household word
[16:53:42] <Runaway1956> Greenville Texas - much lower than east or west coast
[16:53:46] * TheMightyBuzzard changes his name to Sofa
[16:54:09] * chromas engages in sofastry
[16:54:19] <Bytram> chromas++ wordplay
[16:54:19] <Bender> karma - chromas: 171
[16:54:42] * Bytram once felt sofastricated, but that was because he was drunk
[16:54:44] <Runaway1956> maybe I get a degree in sopha upholstering
[16:55:01] <chromas> You can't tell but I'm usually playing with it most of the time
[16:55:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, i need to put some thought into what exactly "the word" is.
[16:55:39] <Runaway1956> It's not "mum"?
[16:55:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it was "in the beginning"
[16:55:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean is it Grease? Bird? Who knows?
[16:55:59] <chromas> everybody knows that the bird is the word
[16:56:17] <Runaway1956> Oh, in the beginning - that word
[16:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> they could be lying though.
[16:56:28] <Runaway1956> ohhhhmmmm ohhhhmm ohhhmmm
[16:56:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: or, they could be sitting
[16:57:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, or even dancing. there's necessarily music.
[16:57:28] * Bytram gets out the timbrels and the lyres
[16:59:25] * Runaway1956 had to ask, "WTF is a timbrel, anyway?"
[16:59:30] <Runaway1956> Timbrel or tabret (the tof of the ancient Hebrews, the deff of Islam, the adufe of the Moors of Spain), the principal musical instrument of percussion of the Israelites, similar to the modern tambourine.
[17:00:42] <Runaway1956> Lotte is 117 today . . . .
[17:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'll figure it out another day. i'm off to gyre and gimble in the wabe. it's not like anyone else is lining up to do it for me.
[17:01:39] <Bytram> Runaway1956: that's a Lotte years!
[17:02:01] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: beware the bandersnatch!
[17:02:41] <Runaway1956> I'm trying to figure out who she is from Google's doodle - I guess she invented paper flowers
[17:03:12] <Runaway1956> That, or silouette animation
[17:06:39] <Runaway1956> Basically, the lady was Walt Disney ten years before Walt Disney decided who he was
[17:07:11] <Runaway1956> Figures - men learn everything they know from women, right?
[17:08:14] * Runaway1956 notes the lack of feminist responses to that last comment
[17:09:14] <chromas> yep. women invented evrathang and white mens stoled it all. they was kangs!
[17:12:49] <Bytram> break time;
[17:12:49] <Bytram> afk
[17:19:59] <Runaway1956> Did Nick authorize breaks for Bytram?
[17:20:16] <Bytram> yes
[17:20:28] <Runaway1956> Hmmmmm . . .
[17:21:04] <Runaway1956> The Employees Handbook says no one gets breaks for their first five years of service - and Soylent hasn't been here for five years yet
[17:21:34] * Bytram edits Employee Handbook
[17:21:40] * Bytram resumes break
[17:56:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Problems With DNA Evidence - http://sylnt.us - not-what-you-think-it-is
[18:13:49] <SirFinkus> http://www.nytimes.com
[18:13:49] <Schwifty> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[18:13:51] <SirFinkus> great
[18:36:03] <chromas> "some critics have accused the project of being part of “the satanic illuminati agenda and the ushering in of the Antichrist."
[18:36:29] <chromas> that doesn't even make sense. do they even know emojis aren't real?
[18:37:48] <paulej72> Runaway1956: boy that would be one hell of a piss during that first break
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[21:56:26] <Bytram> well, that pretty much covers it for today.
[21:56:35] <Bytram|away> !uid
[21:56:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6245, owned by neuroelectronicgmail.com
[22:02:54] <crutchy> Bytram|away, exec's folding timer is hourly depending on when the bot was started/restarted/rehashed
[22:03:20] <crutchy> Bytram|away, and yeah i think you're right about using url for the ~story-submit thingy
[22:04:01] <crutchy> not sure if i'll get around to it after work tonight cos i gotta go to one of my kids friends birthday party but might be able to attack it tomorrow
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[22:04:08] <crutchy> TGIF
[22:05:27] <crutchy> actually i can probably integrate ~story-submit with the normal ~submit. if the url is found in the arthur list it submits that, otherwise it uses the normal routine
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[22:48:47] <SirFinkus> wow, that essay I shit out got a 90%
[23:00:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Software now to Blame for 15 Percent of Car Recalls - http://sylnt.us - Ctrl-Alt-Del