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[00:16:35] <exec> 05*** SN funding is currently $697
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[00:54:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EFF Opposes McCaul-Warner Encryption Commission - http://sylnt.us - Do.Not.Want.
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[01:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8008135++
[01:31:02] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 36
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[01:53:37] <SirFinkus> ~folding-rank
[01:53:39] <exec> 071883
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[02:11:23] <lopple> fuck.n.ball frequency
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[02:18:14] <lopple> scientists declare that the story of the childlike is false
[02:22:29] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:22:30] <webscale> ^ 03Infowars Live Democrat Debate Coverage - YouTube
[02:22:39] <SirFinkus> the only source I trust
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[02:24:25] <Bytram> !uid
[02:24:25] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6153, owned by gunnah
[02:26:04] <SirFinkus> apparently there were lots of "oriental" people at the trump rally
[02:26:21] <SirFinkus> according to infowars
[02:26:56] * Subsentient farts
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[02:55:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Doctor Who may have been Right. Time is a bit wibbly wobbly. - http://sylnt.us - No-Mister-Fusion-Required
[02:56:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> there another debate going on? i mean shit, ain't we heard enough lies, damned lies, and statistics out of them yet?
[02:59:53] <Bytram> let me average tha tout for you
[03:00:09] <Bytram> s/that t/ that o/
[03:00:22] <Bytram> bah. nvm!
[03:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, latest story needs a [sic] in it
[03:06:16] <Bytram> which story?
[03:06:24] <Bytram> Dr Who?
[03:06:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[03:06:29] <webscale> ^ 03SN article: Doctor Who may have been Right. Time is a bit wibbly wobbly. 04(6 comments)
[03:06:37] <Bytram> what's wrong with it?
[03:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Put another way, it appears that at least at the smallest levels that the future effects[sic] the past.
[03:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be affects
[03:07:11] <Bytram> nodnod
[03:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> the schwa does the english language no favors
[03:07:54] * Bytram used to ride a schwin bicycle
[03:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah but that was made of win instead of a
[03:09:10] <Bytram> actually... no [sic] needed. text was from the submitter
[03:09:50] <Bytram> fixed
[03:11:34] <Bytram> ěffects != Əffects
[03:12:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> thar ya go
[03:12:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> we really should just eliminate anything sounding like the schwa and respell them with "uh" instead
[03:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that wouldn't lead to confusion at all
[03:13:28] <Bytram> Ə huh!
[03:13:35] <Bytram> =)
[03:13:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> my tired hurts. i should be in bed.
[03:14:27] <Bytram> interesting turn of frays, but I dew understand
[03:15:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> dealing with cookies in libcurl is a tad harder if you don't want to save them to a file
[03:15:43] <Bytram> where would you put your cookies, then?
[03:16:07] <Bytram> oh, keep it in a memory structure?
[03:16:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> in memory where they belong.
[03:16:20] <Bytram> ypu
[03:16:23] <Bytram> yup
[03:16:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> think about it, you eat a cookie and then you can remember it for as long as you like even though you don't have the cookie anymore.
[03:16:50] * Bytram is attempting to type whilst eating dinner, with only limited success
[03:17:15] <Bytram> empty_o-calories--
[03:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> memory is a cookie's natural habitat
[03:17:27] * Bytram has to remember that
[03:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, libcurl has functionality to write cookies to this funky memory structure but no facility to read them back from it.
[03:18:14] <takyon> nobody needs good food, we just need that Matrix
[03:18:34] <Bytram> ahhh, a write-only-memory-block... W.O.M.B. !!
[03:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. ima just write a function to read em back from it.
[03:20:49] <Bytram> just finished dinner & need to do the dishes... biab
[03:21:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[03:29:09] <takyon> https://www.youtube.com
[03:29:10] <webscale> ^ 03PINAC Bama Cam - YouTube
[03:31:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> bloody hell. ima end up using a file to store cookies for a fraction of a second between three adjacent function calls.
[03:34:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that sounds like a performance hit. maybe create a tiny RAM filesystem?
[03:34:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much effort
[03:35:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll just use a file.
[03:35:07] <Bytram> wait... what are you using libcurl for?
[03:35:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> submissions. doing them in perl adds 20MB to resident memory for the process.
[03:35:56] <Bytram> hmmm
[03:47:11] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:47:12] <webscale> ^ 03Security market to exceed $170 billion by 2020, analysts say • The Register
[03:48:43] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:48:44] <webscale> ^ 03Approved: Master plan to end US gov control of internet's highest level • The Register
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[04:02:27] <Tramtrist> is this like saudi arabia being the head of the human rights council?
[04:06:58] <takyon> sure
[04:10:08] <Bytram> other way around... the US *is* currently the head of IANA and has been under pressure for years to cede authority.
[04:27:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google's AlphaGo Takes on South Korean Go Champion; Wins First Match - http://sylnt.us - not-enough-challenge-playing-go-fish
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[04:27:30] <Bytram|away> g'night, all!
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[05:29:06] <SirFinkus> those motherfuckers
[05:29:18] <SirFinkus> removed half the sex machineguns videos from youtube
[05:32:08] <SirFinkus> if they ever take https://www.youtube.com away from me, I'm bombing youtube hq
[05:32:08] <webscale> ^ 030.8秒と衝撃。「ARISHIMA MACHINE GUN///」PV (full ver.) - YouTube
[05:58:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Super Tuesday: Jim Gilmore Crushes GOP Competition--Wait a Moment... - http://sylnt.us - unverified-voting
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[06:39:14] <crutchy> http://abcnews.go.com
[06:39:15] <webscale> ^ 03Trump Says 'I Think Islam Hates Us' - ABC News
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[06:39:55] <crutchy> from the 'actually-im-pretty-sure-it-only-hates-you-and-maybe-the-drones-that-keep-bombing-the-shit-out-of-them' dept.
[06:44:00] <crutchy> http://news.discovery.com
[06:44:01] <webscale> ^ 03Ancient Dolphin-like Ichthyosaurs Wiped Out by Climate Change : Discovery News
[06:44:39] <crutchy> from the 'damn-cave-men-and-their-spear-factory-pollution' dept.
[06:45:16] <crutchy> http://news.discovery.com
[06:45:17] <webscale> ^ 03Ancient Sea Monsters Were Black : Discovery News
[06:45:29] <crutchy> from the 'omg-thas-sooo-racist' dept.
[06:45:30] <SirFinkus> I thought they couldn't swim
[06:46:35] <crutchy> who couldn't swim?
[06:46:42] <SirFinkus> nevermind
[06:46:52] * crutchy points at the aliems
[06:50:21] <crutchy> gotta admit as much as i think trump would be a shitty potus, he has turned the whole presidential race into a reality tv show... every day i'm wondering 'ooh what will happen in the next episode?'
[06:51:06] <crutchy> more interesting than if everyone was all proper
[07:59:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - North Korea Claims to Have Miniature Nuclear Warhead - http://sylnt.us - big-things-come-in-small-packages
[08:09:16] <crutchy> http://arstechnica.com
[08:09:17] <webscale> ^ 03Android N’s multi-window multitasking mode is a very promising start | Ars Technica ( http://arstechnica.com )
[08:27:21] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, as much as its cliche I think SoylentNews needs some kinda post count badge and rank system like Ars. it would get more people to post as their own name instead of being a karma-dodging troll AC like me :p
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[09:31:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Donald Trump may be Right about US Defense Spending - http://sylnt.us - Beware-the-fate-of-the-Spanish-Armada
[09:48:21] <crutchy> ~tell cmn32480 i debugged scripts/rps.php a bit
[09:48:23] <exec> message saved
[10:05:51] <crutchy> ~tell cmn32480 https://github.com
[10:05:53] <exec> message saved
[11:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:15:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2336
[11:23:06] <chromas> almost midnight coffee
[11:23:16] <chromas> when it gets to 2359, does it wrap to 0000?
[11:25:57] <crutchy> we have metric coffee
[11:26:26] <crutchy> ~time
[11:26:28] <exec> Thursday, 10 March 2016 @ 10:26 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[11:26:33] * crutchy sighs
[11:26:37] <crutchy> almost friday
[11:26:46] <crutchy> tomorrow's gunna be a long day :(
[11:26:59] <crutchy> cya fockers
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[11:32:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Uber Wins French Court Case, Overturns Ban on Showing Locations of Available Cars - http://sylnt.us - où-se-trouve-la-voiture?
[12:16:38] <nick> :(
[12:18:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> hi nick
[12:19:35] <nick> is raining so bad, can't go look at the land today now :(
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[12:48:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, yeah, seems to be a lot of that going around lately. we got a week solid of rain scheduled here.
[12:52:38] <nick> have had a few showers this week, but nothing major
[12:52:51] <nick> but today, when i have two very good potential places to look at
[12:52:57] <nick> it just starts pissing it down
[12:54:07] <nick> i could still drive up to one of them though, so if it does calm down i might do that
[12:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> been on and off heavy rain and drizzle here all day yesterday and looking to be that today. no fishing for me.
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[12:56:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i spose i could go fishing anyway but it's not going to be worth a shit since the water's still cold enough that the fish are out deep and i couldn't take my boat cause i don't have a bilge pump.
[12:59:26] <nick> that sucks
[12:59:50] <cmn32480> Use a bucket.. bail the old fashioned way
[12:59:57] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:59:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2337
[13:00:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, got one but that'd cut into my crappie fishing since i'd need free hands for it.
[13:01:26] <cmn32480> if you are sinking I bet it is crappy fishing
[13:02:12] <cmn32480> nice to see you all again.
[13:02:28] <cmn32480> it is gratifying to iknow aht I can take a few days off with the wife adn the site doesn't burn to the ground
[13:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we even still ran stories
[13:03:15] <cmn32480> wow....
[13:03:19] * cmn32480 is impressed
[13:03:32] <cmn32480> Gold stars all around
[13:03:33] <nick> only cause it's raining and i couldnt get the fire lit
[13:03:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's InSight Mars Mission Rescheduled for 2018 - http://sylnt.us - InSight-launch-is-in-sight
[13:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is a shame cause i had my fiddle all ready from that universal basic income story ready
[13:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/y ready/y/
[13:04:36] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> which is a shame cause i had my fiddle all ready from that universal basic income story
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[13:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm.... i needa get a value from a json string in C but i do NOT want a full on json parser built in. let perl do that. it excels at it.
[13:33:33] <cmn32480> ~folding-rank
[13:33:35] <exec> 071859
[13:38:40] <cmn32480> it si good to be back.. even if only for a day or two
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[13:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'day Subsentient
[13:56:44] * exec spontaneously embiggens a 400TB/s DDoS of buttmagic with Subsentient
[14:09:47] <cmn32480> wow
[14:15:54] <nick> ?
[14:16:19] <cmn32480> what exec spewed fromp the gdaay script
[14:17:37] * Subsentient vomits down TheMightyBuzzard's throat
[14:18:11] <nick> setting the bar high in this channel for polite discourse
[14:19:45] * Subsentient projectile vomits at nick like a firehose
[14:19:46] <cmn32480> awww... you noticed!
[14:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i dig everything about libcurl except cookie handling.
[14:24:26] <cmn32480> mmmmm.... cookies.....
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[14:34:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Releasing a Debian Linux Networking Distro - http://sylnt.us - pigs-are-flying
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[14:38:48] <cmn32480> ~tell crutchy rps.php is updated
[14:38:50] <exec> message saved
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[14:49:42] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his chin
[14:53:29] * Subsentient offers TheMightyBuzzard a creamy horse jizz milkshake
[14:53:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> no thanks, still coffee time
[14:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:54:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2338
[15:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> C: binaries MUCH smaller than perl, source files MUCH larger.
[15:22:34] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yup, that's a fair assessment.
[15:23:51] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Wait, Perl has binaries
[15:23:52] <Subsentient> ?
[15:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything does eventually, once they get in memory.
[15:24:33] <Subsentient> well that's just the perl interpreter
[15:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the script+modules
[15:26:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> shame C doesn't have a "how many bytes does the data structure starting at address <foo> take up" function.
[15:26:37] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yes it does
[15:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean sizeof is all fine and good but severely limited.
[15:26:47] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: How so
[15:27:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't sizeof a char *foo = malloc(foo, some dynamically calculated number);
[15:27:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's going to return the pointer size not the allocated memory.
[15:28:34] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, but unfortunately, that convenience you are accustomed to in Perl is manually implemented in the perl interpreter. It requires manually scanning each element of the linked lists, or keeping track as each node is created.
[15:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:29:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know it costs a lot of overhead but it would be handy.
[15:29:19] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Adding that kind of feature would make C less of the language it is and much harder for compilers and operating systems to implement.
[15:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> make it much easier not to overflow something.
[15:30:41] <Subsentient> Yeah, well Go has stuff like that, but I'm skeptical of any language that doesn't have pointer arithmetic.
[15:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> not i. it's useful but it's also something you gotta be wicked careful of.
[15:31:54] <Gravis> pff... use c++
[15:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, no can do. i have standards.
[15:32:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you use perl. trust me, you're standards aren't anything to brag about.
[15:33:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl is wonderful for what it was made for. that people use it incorrectly is their problem not the language's.
[15:34:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'like dissing bash scripts.
[15:34:11] <Subsentient> I don't mind C++. It's an ugly little bastard of a language, but a surprisingly useful one.
[15:35:16] <Gravis> i take no issue with shell scripts but i do take issue with bash scripts
[15:35:33] * Subsentient prefers POSIX shell scripts because portability
[15:35:43] * TheMightyBuzzard spock eyebrows Gravis
[15:36:07] <Gravis> shell scripts work everywhere. bash scripts only work with bash.
[15:36:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is everywhere. unless you're one of the few neckbeards who insists on using tcsh or some nonsense.
[15:36:37] <Subsentient> Gravis: Still got me ignored? Because if not, that's something we agree on.
[15:37:59] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Bash is a good shell, but I still dislike relying on one implementation.
[15:38:29] <Gravis> wrong. i insist on POSIX compliance.
[15:39:00] <Gravis> bash scripts wont work on any proper UNIX system
[15:39:09] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[15:39:09] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[15:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> point is, you use a shell script when the time to develop in a compiled language would outstrip the total runtime saved from now until eternity. ditto perl.
[15:40:33] <Subsentient> I like Perl, I do.
[15:40:34] <Subsentient> Not gonna lie.
[15:40:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> and please, no No True Scotsman on what is and isn't UNIX.
[15:41:06] * Subsentient just wants his OS not to be bloated and locked down and "we will keep you from doing this because we think you shouldn't"
[15:41:28] <Subsentient> I'll whip Poettering to death with a void pointer.
[15:41:55] <Subsentient> And that's something Gravis will never know... the joy of bidirectional implicit void* conversion...
[15:42:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no need for that. there is a formal specification for what is a UNIX.
[15:43:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it even specifies what makes a shell script valid
[15:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it is agreed upon by all unix users. not.
[15:44:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes it is because there is a very specific definition of what a UNIX is.
[15:45:23] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you should read up: http://opengroup.org
[15:45:24] <Sprinkles> ^ 03UNIX® Standards | The Open Group
[15:46:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> afraid you're just going to have to be wrong this time. they can publish all the standards they like but people using unix bloody well know that a standard created by a trademark holder does not make it so.
[15:46:46] <Runaway1956> Gotta get me some of that Microsoft Debian - NOT!
[15:47:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, i might use the bloody thing if they strip systemd out.
[15:47:36] <Runaway1956> Uh-huh - what they gonna replace it with? Microsoft services?
[15:47:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: this shit is very specific: http://pubs.opengroup.org
[15:47:41] <Sprinkles> ^ 03Shell Command Language
[15:47:56] <nick> when Oracle, IBM and
[15:48:00] <nick> the DoD agree on something
[15:48:01] <nick> they can fuck off
[15:48:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i'm bored with you. going to talk to Runaway1956, nick, and Subsentient now.
[15:48:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, there is UNIX and then there is UNIX-like.
[15:48:22] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: He has me ignored.
[15:48:32] <nick> but you're so charming, Subsentient!
[15:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, that's his problem.
[15:48:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: wow, you really got shut down this time.
[15:48:54] * Subsentient laughs like a downs syndrome gerbil on helium
[15:48:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: seems like it hurt your ego
[15:49:01] <Runaway1956> LMAO - reminds me of my favorite talk show - "We're tit for tat, and very well titted"
[15:49:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, see above re: bored with you.
[15:49:23] <nick> im going to head out now to take a look at a potential location :D
[15:49:24] <Subsentient> Jesus, Gravis, why are you always so fucking rude....
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[15:49:43] <Runaway1956> I'm sure the location is there, nick -
[15:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy nick
[15:50:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, that's how it shows. i mean, otherwise you would have an argument but this time you are really backed into a corner.
[15:50:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, blah blah and also blah.
[15:50:44] * Runaway1956 joins Buzz in the corner
[15:50:55] <Runaway1956> "when the bell rings, come out swinging!"
[15:50:59] * TheMightyBuzzard puts Baby in the corner
[15:51:02] <Subsentient> $chanctl quiet Gravis
[15:51:02] <aqu4> Ok.
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[15:51:13] <Subsentient> Any objections?
[15:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[15:51:22] <Subsentient> yup?
[15:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:51:25] <Runaway1956> Is that a microaggression?
[15:51:33] <nick> things being on paper, especially when 'big tech' are the ones that wrote it, i don't have much time for their 'standards'
[15:51:35] * Runaway1956 is still not clear on that shit
[15:51:37] <Subsentient> Meh, he's annoying me.
[15:51:48] <Subsentient> I'll unquiet him if you want.f
[15:51:56] <nick> they write the rules for everything and they're usually bullshit. so i dont care what 'The Open Group' thinks Unix should be
[15:51:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, free speech, yo. gotta protect the right of a dipshit to dipshit or it's meaningless.
[15:52:13] <Subsentient> Gravis likes to think I'm the devil, but he loves being fucking rude as fuck to fucking everyone.
[15:52:19] <Subsentient> $chanctl unquiet Gravis
[15:52:19] <aqu4> Ok.
[15:52:20] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q Gravis!*@*] by aqu4
[15:52:34] <Runaway1956> But, but, but, you ARE the devil Subsentient !!!!
[15:52:46] <Runaway1956> It's the onliest reason we all love you
[15:52:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, i like to think of it as a nice change from ethanol-fueled's flavor of dipshittery.
[15:52:56] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: No, I serve his undead glory Lord Gerbilius, but neither he nor I are the devil.
[15:53:08] <Subsentient> The devil's skull sits at the base of Gerbilius' throne.
[15:53:15] * Runaway1956 serves his own coffee
[15:53:35] <Subsentient> I like Ethanol-fueled's ways a lot better.
[15:53:38] <Gravis> Subsentient: you reveal yourself as a tyrant. ;)
[15:53:54] <Subsentient> Gravis: You are fucking rude and insulting to everyone and it annoys me.
[15:53:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> sides, if i can rock twitter, Gravis's weak shat is nothing to me.
[15:54:21] <Runaway1956> Ahh, Gravis, he's just a petty tyrant, don't get your panties in a wad
[15:54:45] * Subsentient tries to decide on having some e cig inside or an American Spirit outside
[15:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet TheMightyBuzzard
[15:54:46] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@Soylent/Staff/Developer/TMB] by Aphrodite
[15:54:55] <Subsentient> $chanctl unquiet TheMightyBuzzard
[15:54:55] <aqu4> Ok.
[15:54:56] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q TheMightyBuzzard!*@*] by aqu4
[15:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if that works when i got voice
[15:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah, you messed up my science
[15:55:15] <Runaway1956> American spirit? The herbal shit? That stuff gives me a buzz
[15:55:26] <Subsentient> American Spirit is just straight tobacco.
[15:55:28] <Subsentient> They're harsh.
[15:55:30] <Subsentient> no additives
[15:55:34] <Subsentient> but they're fucking harsh
[15:55:39] <Subsentient> most nicotine on the market
[15:56:00] <Runaway1956> Puts hair on your chest, whether you need it or not?
[15:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, they're fscking nasty. buy a bag of un-fucked-with "pipe tobacco".
[15:56:29] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: That's what I usually smoke. I took a hiatus from smoking till I could figure out how to better protect my family from secondhand smoke.
[15:56:39] <Subsentient> I don't care if it kills me, but I'll be damned if I let it harm anyone else.
[15:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke outside
[15:56:51] <Subsentient> This is Arizona. It gets 120F outside.
[15:56:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> just being able to smell it is no danger to anyone.
[15:56:58] <Runaway1956> Fuck, man, build a bigger doghouse, and move the family into it.
[15:56:58] <Subsentient> But yeah, that's what I have been doing.
[15:57:09] <Gravis> nick: while i understand your dislike of Open Group, they define what is UNIX. that said, you don't have to use it but you can't say just anything is UNIX because it's not.
[15:57:15] <Subsentient> And I also got one of those Vuse e cigs.
[15:57:38] <Subsentient> Get 2 cartridges for 6 bucks.
[15:57:45] * TheMightyBuzzard declares OS/2 to be UNIX
[15:57:49] <Runaway1956> You could just roll up a newspaper and smoke it - no nicotine in that.
[15:57:50] <Subsentient> 4% nicotine, not a bad deal
[15:58:05] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: I like my nicotine.
[15:58:08] <Subsentient> I smoke as stress relief.
[15:58:14] <Subsentient> My OCD still gets through the OCD cracks sometimes.
[15:58:26] <Subsentient> medication*
[15:58:36] <Subsentient> And smoking helps that
[15:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i smoke cause i enjoy it. i like the burn of the smoke and the break in the day it gives me.
[15:58:43] * Runaway1956 doesn't know what's wrong with him, and doesn't want to know
[15:58:51] * Runaway1956 suspects ADD maybe
[15:59:03] * Runaway1956 and perhaps senility
[15:59:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, Adderall. it's teh awesum.
[15:59:14] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well you can declare anything you want. i mean, you could say Pluto is a the best planet in the Solar system but that won't change the facts.
[15:59:14] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: That's why I smoke what I do. I like Talon pipe tobacco and Buoy natural pipe tobacco. American spirit is just the pre-fab that I smoke.
[15:59:31] <Subsentient> Problem is, most tobacco is NOT even vegetarian because they put castoreum as an additive.
[15:59:33] <Runaway1956> Nahhhhh, I prefer my drugs of choice
[15:59:39] <Subsentient> So I have to be REALLY careful what I buy.
[15:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, and you can look to Open Group as an authority if you like, it doesn't make their declarations any more fact than mine.
[15:59:56] <Subsentient> castoreum is beaver butt juice, and they kill them for it.
[16:00:01] <Runaway1956> casteratum? Is that the cause of old guy's erectile disfunction?
[16:00:30] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: they own the trademark, so it actually does.
[16:00:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, they put that in vanilla ice cream as well.
[16:00:41] <Subsentient> $burrito Gravis
[16:00:41] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Gravis
[16:00:46] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Depends on the ice cream.
[16:00:49] <Runaway1956> Oh, fuck a whole bunch of trademarks
[16:00:54] <Subsentient> But yeah, gotta be careful.
[16:01:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> would beaver ass juice count as non-vegetarian anyway? it's clearly not meat/blood.
[16:01:41] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It is in my book because they kill them for it.
[16:01:50] <Runaway1956> Well, beavers are vegetarians, so, maybe.
[16:01:57] <Subsentient> It's like buying chicken top ramen and wasting the flavor packet.
[16:02:06] <Subsentient> It's worse than just eating it in my book
[16:02:12] <Subsentient> Wasting life for nothing.
[16:02:22] <Runaway1956> other people waste nothing for live
[16:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm pretty sure top ramen has not even a passing acquaintance with a real chicken.
[16:02:35] <Subsentient> The flavor packets do.
[16:02:38] <Subsentient> They even say so on the site.
[16:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll be damned.
[16:02:50] <Subsentient> But Nissin chili and oriental is vegetarian.
[16:02:56] <Subsentient> I like chili.
[16:03:11] <Gravis> we can only pray
[16:03:22] * Runaway1956 can't wait to get into far, far outer space, so we can find new creatures to barbeque
[16:03:28] <Subsentient> Gravis: Still got me quieted?
[16:03:50] * TheMightyBuzzard agrees with Runaway1956
[16:04:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> apex predator ftw
[16:04:27] * Subsentient can't wait to see humans create superstructures for habitation
[16:04:35] * Runaway1956 likes the apex
[16:04:57] <Runaway1956> Women have enough superstructure to make me happy
[16:04:58] <Subsentient> I got your Apex right here *grabs nuts*
[16:05:19] <Runaway1956> you deviant, let go of your nuts
[16:05:28] * Subsentient makes Runaway1956 smell his hand
[16:05:37] <Runaway1956> Fish?
[16:05:44] <Subsentient> Vinegar
[16:05:49] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: are real apex predator would take out others of their own kind.
[16:05:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, you realize you're spitting in the eye of Charles Darwin by not eating of the beef.
[16:05:52] <Runaway1956> You douched last night?
[16:06:08] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yes I do actually. Evolution is obsolete.
[16:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft
[16:06:28] <Runaway1956> Do those of us at the apex even evolve?
[16:06:29] <Subsentient> There are better ways for a self-aware entity.
[16:06:47] <Gravis> yes
[16:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> none as effective
[16:07:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you can't escape evolution anyway. you can only fail at it.
[16:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you, as a participant, have zero choice in the matter.
[16:07:43] <Subsentient> I dunno about that.
[16:07:57] <Subsentient> I will not reproduce because I refuse to pass on the OCD genes.
[16:08:09] <Runaway1956> Escape evolution? Hell no - I wanna trap it and barbeque it
[16:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> like one of these days interstellar travel ability WILL BE a survival trait
[16:08:22] <Subsentient> Unlike many, I don't desire to live forever, even through my offspring.
[16:08:56] <Gravis> especially after the interstellar engine causes the earth to tear apart
[16:09:02] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[16:09:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> like today, being able to tell a gun owner's house from a hipster's house is a survival trait for burglars
[16:09:30] <Runaway1956> hopefully before that gigaton asteroid traveling at a zillion miles per second hits the earth
[16:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, time to run to home depot. gotter buy fun and destructive things.
[16:11:03] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I have two perspectives, depending on the day and whether or not I feel particularly religious that day.
[16:11:19] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: by that logic, not having a gun is a survival trait because some children accidently off themselves with guns
[16:11:22] <Runaway1956> Powder actuated nail guns are fun, like Hilti
[16:11:36] <Subsentient> My nihilist side says that the death of others to create life is a sickening abomination that was neither designed nor desirable, and that as self-aware entities we are able to fully observe the true horror.
[16:11:50] <Bytram> !uid
[16:11:51] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6154, owned by lemonlime
[16:11:54] <Runaway1956> Children who off themselves are proof of Darwin's righteousness
[16:11:55] <Bytram> 7up!
[16:12:02] <Bytram> coffee++
[16:12:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2339
[16:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, Bytram. later, Bytram.
[16:12:20] <Subsentient> My religious side says that you need to create as little harm as possible, because that's what God would want.
[16:12:28] <Gravis> Runaway1956: by that logic, people that kill other people's children are proof of Darwin's righteousness
[16:12:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: uh, sure!
[16:12:48] <Runaway1956> Darwin++
[16:12:48] <Bender> karma - darwin: 4
[16:12:52] <Subsentient> For once, me and Gravis see eye-to-eye
[16:12:53] <Subsentient> Darwin--
[16:12:53] <Bender> karma - darwin: 3
[16:13:01] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:13:01] <Bender> karma - darwin: 2
[16:13:03] <Bytram> good luck at home depot -- beware -- power tools allow one to much more speedily cause damage and destruction!
[16:13:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> darwin++
[16:13:17] <Bender> karma - darwin: 3
[16:13:22] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:13:22] <Bender> karma - darwin: 2
[16:13:38] * Runaway1956 slaps aqu4 dude with a rotten fish
[16:13:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> darwin++
[16:13:44] <Bender> karma - darwin: 3
[16:13:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> darwin++
[16:13:44] <Bender> karma - darwin: 4
[16:13:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> darwin++
[16:13:44] <Bender> karma - darwin: 5
[16:13:50] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:13:50] <Bender> karma - darwin: 4
[16:13:51] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:13:51] <Bender> karma - darwin: 3
[16:13:53] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:13:53] <Bender> karma - darwin: 2
[16:14:01] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:14:01] <Bender> karma - darwin: 1
[16:14:02] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:14:02] <Bender> karma - darwin: 0
[16:14:06] <aqu4> Darwin--
[16:14:06] <Bender> karma - darwin: -1
[16:14:10] <Subsentient> :^D
[16:14:53] <Subsentient> But seriously, the death of others to sustain and create life -- competition itself -- my nihilist side says -- neither designed nor desirable. We're just the first able to perceive the abomination for what it is.
[16:15:14] <Runaway1956> Yeti?
[16:15:21] <Bytram> vegan
[16:15:23] <Bytram> ?
[16:15:29] <Gravis> Runaway1956: prove that Darwin is righteous and murder those children.
[16:15:39] <Bytram> nah, let darwin do it.
[16:15:44] <Runaway1956> murder whose children?
[16:16:02] <Gravis> Runaway1956: anyone's children that aren't yours.
[16:16:08] <Gravis> or your line
[16:16:10] <Subsentient> Bytram: Vegetarian, I'm also a realist and a utilitarian, and conclude that keeping some animals for egg and dairy, if treated well, is a form of symbiosis.
[16:16:31] <Runaway1956> But, why? If they aren't fit for survival, they'll kill themselves somehow, and save me all the trouble.
[16:16:51] <Bytram> symbiosis, good for the goose is good for the one who ganders at the goose and collects the eggs
[16:16:53] * Runaway1956 peels all the warning stickers off of everything in the house
[16:17:01] <Subsentient> Darwin can suck my transcendent, bleached cock.
[16:17:10] <Gravis> Runaway1956: they aren't fit for survival if they don't survive.
[16:17:38] <Runaway1956> Geez, Louise - what kind of philosophy are you trying to pass off today?
[16:17:40] * Bytram lobs a small thermonuclear device towards Gravis to see if he will survive
[16:17:53] * Subsentient helps Bytram
[16:18:03] <Runaway1956> Use a miniature dong, Bytram
[16:18:07] <Gravis> Runaway1956: well obviously you don't understand what survival of the fitest really means.
[16:18:24] <Subsentient> Survival of the fittest is truly horrifying
[16:18:28] <Runaway1956> Ho-hum - unfit is unfit
[16:18:31] <Runaway1956> fit is fit
[16:18:41] <Subsentient> Natural != Good
[16:18:42] <Runaway1956> if they don't survive due to stupidity, then they are unfit
[16:18:54] <Gravis> if you survive, you are fit. that is all.
[16:19:20] <Gravis> there is no need for "reason" behind it
[16:19:52] * Bytram dons asbestos and bubblewrap suit
[16:19:58] <Runaway1956> That much is correct - but you suggested that I ensure that someone's kids dont' survive
[16:20:04] * Bytram also keeps his towel handy
[16:20:08] <Runaway1956> there's no plus in that for me
[16:20:50] <Gravis> Runaway1956: sure there is, you prove that Darwin is righteous.
[16:20:54] <Runaway1956> In fact, there are some definite downsides to that
[16:21:27] <Runaway1956> enraged daddy puts seven .45 ACP rounds through my ass, proving that I'm less fit to survive than he is
[16:21:28] <Subsentient> brb 10 mins, smoke
[16:21:57] <Gravis> Runaway1956: guess you better put down his whole family then
[16:22:18] <Runaway1956> That's how we roll - check out Iraq.
[16:22:32] <Runaway1956> Entire villages, obliterated
[16:23:01] <Runaway1956> Mere decimation would be pussy beside our style of obliteration.
[16:24:50] <Runaway1956> Fresh article says mutants are more fit than the rest of us . . . .
[16:25:05] <Runaway1956> I thought that was already proven? Where is Neanderthal man today?
[16:29:57] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah - I guess spring has sprung - all kinds of colorful crap is showing up on my drive home from work
[16:30:21] <Runaway1956> Those of you who live closer to the north pole than i do can be assured that summer is coming.
[16:30:47] <Runaway1956> Those who live a lot closer to the south pole than i do can be assured that you'll be freezing your asses off soon.
[16:36:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Genetic Mutation Could Save You from a Heart Attack - http://sylnt.us - heartless
[16:42:36] <Subsentient> back
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[17:37:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - There's Life Underground - http://sylnt.us - creepy-crawlies
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[18:47:46] <cmn32480> I just told one of my sales reps that he could take his proven to be completely incorrect righteous indignation and stick it up his ass.
[18:47:56] <cmn32480> dear God that felt good
[18:48:18] <cmn32480> I'll pprobably get yelled at for it later... but ti was totally worth it.
[18:53:43] <takyon> hah
[19:21:08] <nick> cmn32480++
[19:21:09] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 51
[19:26:46] <cmn32480> the fucker deserved it
[19:26:51] <cmn32480> he pissed me off
[19:34:11] <nick> i dont know if i ever mentioned this before, but when i was an apprentice and working with i'm guessing your equivalent... sitting in the car, and he called up a sales rep to complain about something
[19:34:37] <nick> and after a brief exchange the conversation ended with "next time i see you, i'm going to run you over you fucking cunt"
[19:35:24] <cmn32480> one minor difference, this sales rep works for my company... but he';s a complete fucktard
[19:35:44] <nick> always good to hear that coming from the senior engineer, the guy you're supposed to look up to and emulate
[19:36:01] <cmn32480> I'm no senior engineer
[19:36:11] <nick> the level is discourse with other departments was exemplary, i learned a lot about professionalism that day
[19:36:14] <cmn32480> Well.. I suppose I am... but I'm actually midddle management
[19:36:29] <cmn32480> lol
[19:36:39] <cmn32480> knowing what not to do is sometimes jsut as important
[19:38:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Future of Biometric Building Materials - http://sylnt.us - wet-dreams
[19:39:07] <cmn32480> the point was more that even AFTER I proved him wrong (complete with documentation) he continued to be a complete prick
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[21:40:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Future of Biomimetic Building Materials - http://sylnt.us - wet-dreams
[21:42:53] <Runaway1956> n the strict scientific sense we all feed on death -- even vegetarians. -- Spock, "Wolf in the Fold", stardate 3615.4
[22:04:08] <nick> mmmmmmm death
[22:04:15] <nick> tasty
[22:14:39] <lopple> relevant rectum-seeking, sql injections chronicles
[22:15:48] <SirFinkus> met my conversation partner today
[22:15:57] <SirFinkus> middle aged Taiwanese woman
[22:16:28] <nick> 'conversation partner' indeed
[22:17:20] <SirFinkus> she opened with "I have a gaggle of college aged girls I would like you to meet, is that cool?"
[22:18:30] <nick> i guess it's never too late to get into the slave trade
[22:23:39] <SirFinkus> I agreed, because I'm such a charitable person
[22:27:51] <nick> gave you the number and key to the shipping container?
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[22:41:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cs-137 Levels in Helsinki, Finland Up 1000 Times - http://sylnt.us - going-radioactive
[22:44:54] <SirFinkus> lol
[23:11:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Caesium-137 Levels in Helsinki, Finland Up 1000 Times - http://sylnt.us - going-radioactive
[23:17:48] <takyon> conversation partner?
[23:25:09] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[23:25:10] <Sprinkles> ^ 03EUV Lithography Makes Good Progress, Still Not Ready for Prime Time
[23:44:18] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[23:44:31] <Bytram|away> ~gnight soylentils
[23:44:33] * exec emphatically ships a shitton of jingly keys with soylentils