#Soylent | Logs for 2016-02-01

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[23:42:52] <Gravis> it doesn't take much to foil trolls
[23:38:54] <Gravis> but that option should be available for ~60 mins to avoid overhead
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[23:36:46] <Gravis> it's not rocket surgery
[23:36:07] <Gravis> CantStumpTheTrump: in the case of a reply to an altered comment, it should give you the choice to reply to the updated version or force the old comment to display above the original
[23:34:39] <Gravis> CantStumpTheTrump: right because TheMightyBuzzard has time to implement that
[23:34:15] <CantStumpTheTrump> you can probably reply by API or something too
[23:33:50] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: something like that would be terribly hard to abuse and not even worth the effort
[23:33:48] <CantStumpTheTrump> someone could hit the reply button, compose their reply, and when they submit the reply the comment is edited
[23:33:11] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: also, there should be threshold on how much you can edit. so you can change no more than 20 consecutive chars but you could rearrange them.
[23:33:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Casts Doubt on Seasonal Affective Disorder - http://sylnt.us - minor-depression-is-no-picnic-either
[23:30:55] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: if you reply or mod them, the window for editing would close, so no big deal.
[23:30:55] <Gravis> <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: my concern is, if something happened, someone shouldn't be able to alter the comment then deny that they said something.
[23:30:14] <SirFinkus> you rang?
[23:06:41] <CantStumpTheTrump> great balls
[22:34:34] <mechanicjay> AndyTheAbsurd: Greatness is relative
[22:28:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> CantStumpTheTrump: Again? That would imply that it was ever great.
[22:28:19] * chromas puts up a wall, just like facebook used to have
[22:27:07] <CantStumpTheTrump> make Soylent great again
[22:27:02] * exec dexterously flings a cold can of red cordial at #soylent
[22:27:01] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[22:26:54] * cmn32480 goes home
[22:26:50] <cmn32480> No Mas!
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[22:21:01] <chromas> Fortunately you can research and compose your comment ahead of time because the news was five days ago
[22:20:25] <takyon> of course, drafts aren't going to help you much because if you are a day late to a soylent article not a lot of people are going to notice your amazing researched comment
[22:19:12] <takyon> have it expire after 7 days or something
[22:19:06] <chromas> Just use your mouse wheel :D
[22:19:04] <takyon> I would support a comment embargo... where you can save a draft of a comment and come back to it later
[22:18:34] <takyon> that shit is not likely to happen
[22:16:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> takyon: scroll back about an hour and 20 minutes worth
[22:16:23] <chromas> zeit
[22:15:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> With their awful geism and all.
[22:15:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> well we wouldn't want any of those terrible geists in here, would we?
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[22:15:32] <takyon> what's this about wiki-style post history
[22:15:00] <takyon> of course I'm an ageist
[22:06:33] <mechanicjay> Latest article could have been a better Monty Python reference. "From the pining for the fjords dept"
[22:05:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I guess a wiki-style post history would be good enough but apparently you think its too much overhead.
[22:05:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: my concern is, if something happened, someone shouldn't be able to alter the comment then deny that they said something.
[22:01:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Circuit City Coming Back From the Dead - http://sylnt.us - he's-a-dead-parrot-vs-he's-not-dead-yet
[21:39:23] <Gravis> WHATщ(ﾟДﾟщ)
[21:36:45] <chromas> hipster bits
[21:36:32] <chromas> probably organic and vegan too. yuck
[21:36:16] <Gravis> !!!!|┛*｀Д´|┛・・~~┻━┻　┳━┳
[21:34:58] <Gravis> chromas: no, just one bit at a time. they are artisanal bytes. ;)
[21:34:09] <chromas> so it adds up
[21:34:04] <chromas> one bit per byte though
[21:33:45] <Gravis> chromas: bits? it's just one bit and i'm quite glad they used it to make UTF-8. without it, i couldn't do this: ((ヾ(≧皿≦；)ノ＿))Fuuuuuu—-！
[21:26:48] * chromas imagines signed chars
[21:26:27] <chromas> You're just butthurt because people figured out what to do with those wasted bits
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[21:22:33] <Gravis> chromas: all that's left for you to do is open your twitter feed and post "TIL: ASCII is the best and not to be confused with that Extended ASCII rubbish." :D
[21:20:13] <Gravis> <Gravis> chromas: no, it just means you aren't using ASCII. :P
[21:20:13] <Gravis> <chromas> nah, the accent means it's a classy douche
[21:20:13] <Gravis> so here is my correction:
[21:17:54] <shekel> ^ 03HTML Windows-1252 Reference
[21:17:53] <Gravis> chromas: what you are describing is ANSI: http://www.w3schools.com
[21:17:12] <shekel> ^ 03HTML ASCII Reference
[21:17:12] <Gravis> chromas: though the part that matters is how W3C defines ASCII: http://www.w3schools.com
[21:14:16] <shekel> ^ 03Wiki: Extended ASCII
[21:14:16] <shekel> ^ 03Wiki: ASCII
[21:14:15] <Gravis> there is ASCII https://en.wikipedia.org and then there this a lot of confusion masquerading as ASCII https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:13:09] <chromas> there aren't any systems made in the last 30 years that don't support extended ascii
[21:12:41] <Gravis> chromas: see, they even warned you!
[21:12:34] <Gravis> Not to be confused with MS Windows-1252 or other types of Extended ASCII.
[21:12:34] <Gravis> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[21:12:34] <Gravis> ASCII
[21:12:13] <chromas> there's never been a time of 100% non-sucky music
[21:11:42] <Gravis> though the music sucked
[21:11:36] <Gravis> though i kinda wish it was
[21:11:04] <chromas> it does; this isn't the 1980s
[21:10:53] <Gravis> no it doesn't
[21:10:46] <chromas> extended ascii counts
[21:09:33] <Gravis> chromas: actually, it doesn't
[21:08:20] <chromas> ascii has accented letters
[21:08:10] <Gravis> chromas: no, it just means unicode is supported. :P
[21:07:42] <chromas> nah, the accent means it's a classy douche
[21:07:20] <Gravis> chromas: i'm pretty sure most people would prefer it be -1
[21:07:00] <Gravis> lol
[21:06:42] <chromas> need a +1, douché mod
[21:05:27] <Gravis> it's easy enough to maintain +50 karma by just posting regularly and not being a douche on most of your posts
[21:03:07] <Gravis> ACs can burn upon posting for all i care
[21:02:50] <chromas> and of course, all ACs have access to edit all other AC comments :)
[21:02:23] <Gravis> you could limit it to users with high amounts of karma
[21:02:18] <chromas> nah, you just load the latest of each comment and have links to previous versions
[21:01:38] <Gravis> chromas: too much overhead
[21:01:11] <chromas> allow full edits with wiki-style history
[21:00:41] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: that way you can't make a radical edit but you can correct a mistake
[21:00:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> But oh look, it's 16:00 which means it's time for me to go home.
[21:00:10] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: how about a threshold for edits?
[20:59:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> In fact, I feel that "any power that can be abused will be" is one of the Laws of the Universe.
[20:59:39] <chromas> [Deleted]
[20:59:32] <chromas> [Deleted]
[20:59:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah, pretty much anywhere that allows you to take those actions sees it get abused.
[20:58:50] <chromas> and youtube, imgur, et cetera
[20:58:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> So I know what came before. And people writing something terrible then making radical edits (or deleting their comment) is shit that happens frequently on reddit and is something that should be avoided.
[20:58:22] <Gravis> "why would you run into another car?!"
[20:58:01] <Gravis> chromas: accidents happen.
[20:57:40] <chromas> Why would you check your comment for errors after pressing Post instead of before?
[20:57:39] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: do you think people are going to write something terrible and make a radical edit before anyone can mod it?
[20:57:17] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: why would you want to read the earlier version of a post?
[20:56:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> ennhhhh....I think the ability to *add* to a post - with an automatic "Edited at $TIME to add:" prepended - would be better than allowing random edits. I feel like it's better transparency that way.
[20:54:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: obviously, if a reply or modding occurs, the window is closed.
[20:54:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you really need to implement a 5 minute edit window for comments. i use preview but mistakes still happen.
[20:52:31] <shekel> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:2)
[20:52:30] <Gravis> truthbomb: https://soylentnews.org
[20:22:25] <Gravis> takyon: and that also means you're an ageist, the most proposterous of bigotries
[20:19:58] <Gravis> takyon: you said it best, "old meme is old" which is purely factual information. if you think that old is a negative trait, you have only the icy grip of the death that is spacetime to blame. ;)
[20:11:41] <shekel> ^ 03One Of The World's Greatest Chefs Is Found Dead In His Swiss Home : The Two-Way : NPR
[20:11:41] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
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[20:07:56] <shekel> ^ 03Rooting your Android phone? Google’s rumbled you again • The Register
[20:07:55] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:05:04] <shekel> ^ 03SN Submission by takyon: Samsung Enables Ad-Blocking Capabilities on its Android Browser
[20:05:03] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[20:03:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> still better than hard-on-blocking, though.
[20:03:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> add-on-blocking because you won't be able to install any add-ons to Firefox.
[20:01:48] <takyon> adblocking or ad-blocking
[20:00:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Eutelsat Launches Satellite With EDRS Laser Network Relay Station - http://sylnt.us - better-or-worse-than-sharks-with-laser-beams
[19:58:36] <takyon> #feelthebern grandpa
[19:58:28] <takyon> old meme is old
[19:58:10] <Gravis> takyon: this kind of dumb: http://adammclane.com
[19:56:36] <Gravis> takyon: you're still dumb for using it. :P
[19:56:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> I do keep Firefox around. And one site I need for work still requires IE, so I run that occasionally.
[19:56:21] <takyon> exactly
[19:56:15] <Gravis> takyon: welp... you can't argue with that logic!
[19:56:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> takyon: I've been pretty okay with just Pale Moon and Chrome. You'd be surprised how much stuff Just Works in Pale Moon.
[19:55:48] <takyon> stuff
[19:55:34] <Gravis> takyon: why?
[19:55:28] <takyon> at once
[19:55:25] <takyon> I use 2-4 browsers
[19:55:13] <Gravis> takyon: there are other browsers
[19:55:03] <takyon> stuff
[19:54:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> Mozilla has stopped listening to their user base (as of years ago), IMO it is long past time to abandon them the way they abandoned their users.
[19:54:58] <Gravis> for?
[19:54:49] <takyon> I need it
[19:54:37] <Gravis> takyon: firefox is dead
[19:54:26] <Gravis> takyon: then dont use that stupid shit.
[19:53:47] <shekel> ^ 03Samsung trolls Google, adds adblockers to phones • The Register
[19:53:46] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[19:53:12] <takyon> I'm going to be accidentally selecting that rather than "Copy"
[19:53:02] <takyon> looks like firefox 46 adds a "Save to Pocket" option to the context menu, and I don't like it
[19:52:23] <shekel> ^ 03These stem cells might repair tiny skulls - Futurity
[19:52:22] <takyon> http://www.futurity.org
[19:50:03] <Gravis> YOU THERE(○｀д´)ﾉｼSTOP! Σ(っﾟДﾟ)っEeeek!
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[19:35:59] <cmn32480> c-ya SirFinkus-phone
[19:35:58] <SirFinkus-phone> Which I'm sure everyone is looking forward to
[19:35:38] <SirFinkus-phone> Whatever, next class, I'll bitch more later
[19:35:09] <SirFinkus-phone> And renders the graph almost completely irrelevant
[19:34:37] <SirFinkus-phone> That might affect the data slightly
[19:32:32] <SirFinkus-phone> Or did he just average the gdps?
[19:32:07] <SirFinkus-phone> Of the countries involved
[19:32:01] <takyon> hi
[19:31:55] <cmn32480> or just % of GDP
[19:31:47] <cmn32480> population size?
[19:31:31] <SirFinkus-phone> Did this motherfucker take population into account?
[19:31:27] <cmn32480> you paid to be taught this crap?
[19:31:09] <SirFinkus-phone> Holy shit, just realized another thing
[19:30:13] <SirFinkus-phone> It could be science
[19:30:12] <cmn32480> regardless of all other variables
[19:30:01] <SirFinkus-phone> At least not what's taught in my class
[19:29:55] <cmn32480> this is a clear case of having a hypothesis and taking data to make it olook true
[19:29:18] <sedctl> <cmn32480> anthropology ain't science
[19:29:18] <cmn32480> s/hard//
[19:29:02] <SirFinkus-phone> It's either science, or it's not
[19:28:44] <SirFinkus-phone> Hard vs soft science is a useless distinction
[19:28:07] <SirFinkus-phone> They play pretty fast and loose with the whole "evidence" thing
[19:27:52] <cmn32480> anthropology ain't hard science
[19:27:45] <cmn32480> key word: science
[19:27:29] <SirFinkus-phone> But anyway, Ted talks aren't known for their scientific rigor
[19:26:28] <SirFinkus-phone> Among a million other things
[19:26:16] <SirFinkus-phone> I mean, Ted talks might be popular among the "I fucking love science" crowd
[19:25:39] <cmn32480> so non-futured languages and tax laws need to be taken into account.
[19:25:12] <SirFinkus-phone> That begs the question "why are we watching this?"
[19:24:19] <SirFinkus-phone> Yeah, she said she didn't know enough about the study
[19:23:49] <SirFinkus-phone> Languages affecting perception in a major way is one of those theories that sounds common sense, and most people believe, but there's no evidence to support it
[19:23:36] <cmn32480> did you call her on this questionable tactic of classification?
[19:21:26] <SirFinkus-phone> That might be a bullshit term because he put languages that do have past present and future tenses on words in that category
[19:19:52] <cmn32480> ahhhh thanks
[19:19:40] <SirFinkus-phone> cmn32480
[19:19:25] <SirFinkus-phone> Basically it means words don't have past present future tenses
[19:18:37] <SirFinkus-phone> Switzerland was also prominent
[19:18:00] <SirFinkus-phone> And was a significant outlier on the graph
[19:17:42] <SirFinkus-phone> No matter that it's a fucking tax haven
[19:17:24] <SirFinkus-phone> Trouble is, fucking Luxembourg is sitting at the extreme left of the graph, and what a shock! They speak a non futured language
[19:16:58] <exec> [google] www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/...language.../279484/
[19:16:57] <exec> [google] www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/...language.../279484/
[19:16:56] <cmn32480> ~g non-futured language
[19:16:15] <SirFinkus-phone> Highlight the different languages and proudly states that in places that non futured languages are spoken, people save 5%m more
[19:15:02] <SirFinkus-phone> So he brings up a graph that shows savings as a percent of gdp
[19:14:33] <cmn32480> that bear is fucking annoying
[19:14:29] <SirFinkus-phone> Thesis is people with "non futured" languages save more
[19:13:54] <SirFinkus-phone> So Ted talk
[19:13:46] <SirFinkus-phone> Crutchy might enjoy this
[19:13:44] <cmn32480> was it a chart of how many minutes you've wasted in that class all semester?
[19:13:21] <SirFinkus-phone> Oh god, just saw a graph that made me cringe in anthropology
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[18:29:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Team Demonstrates Protein Damage by Shock Waves in Traumatic Brain Injury Patients - http://sylnt.us - probably-not-the-decepticon
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[18:01:36] * exec suspiciously passes a tinfoil hat of spew to cmn32480
[18:01:34] <chromas> ~g'day cmn32480
[18:00:51] * exec spontaneously flings a coffee++ mug of glowballs at chromas
[18:00:49] <cmn32480> ~gday chromas
[17:41:17] <chromas> pretty good. you?
[17:38:46] <mrcoolbp> how have you been good sir?
[17:38:35] <chromas> that just shows how much free time I have :D
[17:38:25] * mrcoolbp looks embarrased
[17:38:12] <mrcoolbp> of course chromas knows more about the site than the guy with the @ in front of his name
[17:38:01] <chromas> he wants to rewrite that part
[17:37:53] <mrcoolbp> oh cool
[17:37:48] <chromas> tmb's going to look into it after the update
[17:37:42] <mrcoolbp> then again reddit's servers are down constantly, but when it works it works
[17:37:26] <mrcoolbp> I mean, 150 comments isn't really a lot by internet standards (read: reddit threads with 10K + comments)
[17:36:42] <mrcoolbp> oh right, we were talking about high-comment stories, we should look into that at some point
[17:36:17] <cmn32480> I blame TheMightyBuzzard
[17:36:07] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: Slashdot and SourceForge Sold by Dice to BIZX, LLC 04(170 comments)
[17:36:04] <cmn32480> this one took a 15 count to load: https://soylentnews.org
[17:35:49] <cmn32480> only the stories with a metric shitton of comments
[17:34:07] <mrcoolbp> It's not snappy = /
[17:33:52] <mrcoolbp> damn Soylent is slow today, is it just me?
[17:32:40] * exec abnormally slides an anvil of coffee++ to bytram
[17:32:39] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[17:32:37] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[17:32:23] <Bytram> catch ya all again later
[17:32:16] <Bytram> and, with that, I really GTG
[17:32:10] * Bytram wonders if the Fun-and-games arcade will set up VR games to play?
[17:29:58] * Bytram notes that the boss was not as pleased.
[17:29:42] * Bytram really liked THAT paycheck
[17:29:11] <Bytram> yep 54.5 hours of *overtime*
[17:29:00] <Bytram> my best (worst?) was 4 all-nighter's in one week; total of 94.5 hrs worked
[17:28:40] <Bytram> long day indeed!
[17:28:23] <cmn32480> liquor stopped at 1am... cleanup was usually done by 3-330am...
[17:28:02] <cmn32480> 10am to wheneverthehell we closed
[17:27:44] <cmn32480> I remember the days of working open to close in a restaurant as a barback
[17:27:19] <Bytram> nice bump in funding!
[17:27:11] <mrcoolbp> oh and we regularly have to start at 7am, sooo the swing is the worse part
[17:26:45] <mrcoolbp> not on the regular though, midnight is the latest I'm usually there
[17:26:33] <mrcoolbp> been there past 2am
[17:26:28] <mrcoolbp> oh yeah
[17:26:14] * Bytram notes some of us have to work until 9:30pm and suspects mrcoolbp can top that handily
[17:25:33] * cmn32480 notes that some of us have been at work since 6am
[17:25:17] <cmn32480> have a good day Bytram!
[17:25:02] <mrcoolbp> good to "see" ya too
[17:24:57] <mrcoolbp> oh okay, don't let us keep ya man
[17:24:54] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: so good to see ya!
[17:24:45] <Bytram> trying to get ready for work; need to be there in 1/2 hr
[17:24:43] <Bytram> 2016-02-01 6
[17:24:40] <Bytram> 2016-01-31 4
[17:24:39] <Bytram> 2016-01-30 4
[17:24:37] <Bytram> 2016-01-29 14
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-28 1
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-27 1
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-26 5
[17:24:36] <Bytram> 2016-01-24 4
[17:24:36] <Bytram> here's the last weeks' signup counts:
[17:24:26] <mrcoolbp> how ya doin' Bytram?
[17:24:18] <mrcoolbp> = )
[17:24:15] * Bytram smiles
[17:23:46] * cmn32480 adds "Statmaster" to Bytram's growing list of titles
[17:23:09] <Bytram> yes, 14.
[17:22:30] <cmn32480> we added 14(?) new accounts that day
[17:22:27] * mrcoolbp updates the funding goal
[17:22:20] <cmn32480> yes.. taht was interesting
[17:22:15] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[17:22:13] <cmn32480> THAT fun
[17:22:13] <mrcoolbp> still reading backlog/comments
[17:22:11] <cmn32480> oh
[17:22:05] <mrcoolbp> I mean the slashdot stuff
[17:21:27] <cmn32480> we stuffed the story queue Friday night adn ignored the world the rest of the weekend!!
[17:21:10] <cmn32480> what fun?
[17:20:42] * mrcoolbp has family over and worked this weekend too
[17:20:32] <mrcoolbp> wow I missed all the fun this weekend!
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[16:58:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chang'e 3 Lunar Mission Data - http://sylnt.us - high-quality-images
[16:44:06] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v mechanicjay] by Imogen
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[16:27:06] <MrPlow> Story submitted. https://soylentnews.org
[16:26:36] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay
[16:26:34] <Bytram> #submit http://www.bbc.co.uk
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[15:05:59] <Runaway1956> Ehhh - stupid Toshiba was sitting where I thought the 286 was - will maybe look later . . .
[15:04:25] <shekel> ^ 0399 Fr - YouTube
[15:04:24] <Thouren> https://www.youtube.com
[15:03:37] <dyingtolive> well, even non-milspec 286s were built pretty tough. i think my dad's probably still works.
[15:03:37] * Runaway1956 is ashamed he can't even remember what the laptop is so he heads off to drag it out . . .
[15:02:13] <Runaway1956> I had an old, old, OLD 286 milspec laptop. Still do, as a matter of fact. Milspec is really tough - almost drive over it with a tank.
[15:02:11] <dyingtolive> resolution kind of sucks, but you don't exactly get something like that for photoshop. it's also a proper aspect ratio.
[15:01:30] <dyingtolive> that's pretty decent actually.
[15:00:28] <dyingtolive> http://www.drs.com
[15:00:22] <dyingtolive> found it.
[15:00:05] <Runaway1956> the data sheet has specs - can't remember which closed tab supplied the link to the PDF
[14:59:28] <dyingtolive> odd that there's no actual specs listed on that product page.
[14:58:48] <Runaway1956> www.drs.com/media/1729/drs_bmdt-3_uk_data_sheet_2015.pdf
[14:57:50] <cmn32480> for work, they can afford it!
[14:57:48] <shekel> ^ 03BMDT-3 | DRS Technologies, Inc.
[14:57:46] <Runaway1956> Just found an awesome little machine - I've sent an email to find out how much it costs - http://www.drs.com
[14:57:43] <cmn32480> at home
[14:57:36] <cmn32480> with amazon prime, I have the drive in a day or two. it isn't a worth while expense for me to have a drive sitting around doing nothing
[14:56:52] <Thouren> Morning
[14:56:50] * exec abrasively postulates a socket of Debian towards Runaway1956
[14:56:48] <cmn32480> ~gday Runaway1956
[14:56:48] <paulej72> morning Runaway1956
[14:56:46] * Thouren practices good physical security so I don't need to worry about people taking my stuff
[14:56:37] <Runaway1956> Morning, everyone
[14:56:36] <cmn32480> I'm comfortable with the mirror and USB setup I am ok
[14:56:25] * Runaway1956 keeps his spare drive inside the computer enclosure to prevent some dumbass taking it for some pointless use
[14:56:16] <Thouren> Always a good idea to keep a spare handy, running with a dead drive for long is just inviting a second failure during rebuild
[14:55:43] <cmn32480> I keep that spare for all my servers at the office.
[14:55:14] <Thouren> With a spare drive sitting on a shelf ready in case one fails
[14:54:56] <Thouren> I use 6x 3tb in raidz2 for fault tolerant storage and backups
[14:53:13] <cmn32480> even ones with a fan
[14:53:06] <cmn32480> plus USB cases are like $15
[14:52:22] <dyingtolive> yeah, okay, you convinced me.
[14:52:19] <Thouren> cmn32480, it's a 480gb vs 720gb pool decision. All the data is backed up, if I lose a second drive during a rebuild it's just $60 down the drain and an hour of my time
[14:52:16] <cmn32480> you a very schmart man
[14:52:05] <Bender> karma - dyingtolive: 1
[14:52:05] <cmn32480> dyingtolive++
[14:51:49] <cmn32480> I don't think most of the major server vendors even allow it anymore
[14:51:45] <dyingtolive> i guess the other nice thing of raid 1 over raid 5 is that you can just slap one of those drives into whatever and still read it if your controller goes tits up.
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[14:51:35] <cmn32480> aned should be deprecated out of existance
[14:51:20] <cmn32480> RAID 5 is EVIL
[14:51:15] <cmn32480> that solved my 3 vs 4 drives argument at a reasonable cost
[14:50:48] <Thouren> yeah that's why i don't worry about my ssd raid5, shits backed up anyway
[14:50:22] <cmn32480> if the whole unit shits the bed, and takes both ddrives with it, I still got my data.
[14:49:50] <Thouren> cmn32480, I like the idea of a drive attached via usb for backup. Never thought of that
[14:49:40] <cmn32480> broiled hog anus
[14:49:31] <dyingtolive> tastes burnt or something
[14:49:26] <cmn32480> I did find that the 2 disk NAS w/ a mirrored 4tb drive adn a USB 4TB Drive backing it up was a reasonable middle ground
[14:49:07] * dyingtolive hates starbucks
[14:49:01] <Thouren> If you earn your money you can spend it however you want bro
[14:48:53] <cmn32480> hehe
[14:48:44] <dyingtolive> well, at least she has good taste in coffee
[14:48:38] <Thouren> Adjust as needed
[14:48:31] <cmn32480> thouren s/starbucks/dunkin donuts/
[14:47:57] <Thouren> cmn32480, tell her no makeup or starbucks till you get a sweet ass server rack full of kit
[14:47:51] <cmn32480> sits in a little corner of my desk, w/ a USB connected drive attached to it for backups, just in case
[14:47:22] <cmn32480> hence why I went to the 2 disk Synology
[14:46:56] * cmn32480 's wife won't let him ahve one either
[14:44:55] <sedctl> <dyingtolive> tragically not. thought about getting several when i lived in my old apartment. we had a spare room we joked about turning into a server room.
[14:44:55] <dyingtolive> s/one/several/
[14:44:38] <dyingtolive> tragically not. thought about getting one when i lived in my old apartment. we had a spare room we joked about turning into a server room.
[14:44:02] <cmn32480> so I'm guessing you don't have a 19" rack then?
[14:43:13] <dyingtolive> true.
[14:43:03] <Thouren> dyingtolive, you can always turn it on for backups then shut it down the rest of the time
[14:42:40] <Thouren> FreeNAS isn't terrible difficult to set up
[14:42:36] <dyingtolive> Thouren: well, i mean, i've thought about it. it's not just about the hard drive cost though. power consumption and the amount of space stuff takes up in my tiny ass apartment is another concern.
[14:42:23] <Thouren> ZFS is also a great choice for a dedicated box
[14:42:04] <cmn32480> RAID 6 at a minimum... 10 if you can afford the disks
[14:40:24] <Thouren> and TEST recovering from a backup
[14:40:16] <Thouren> Throw some in a spare box, run headless linux, use rsync to backup
[14:39:32] <Thouren> multi-terabyte drives are cheap
[14:39:23] <Thouren> It's your data, do what you want with it
[14:39:04] <dyingtolive> right. still doesn't change the fact that i wouldn't have a backup. :)
[14:38:50] <Thouren> Raid is good for making a machine able to handle a drive failure without shitting itself
[14:38:10] <Thouren> Raid is for redundancy, not backup
[14:37:52] <dyingtolive> well, that was also the nice thing about the raid5, but if i did that, i probably wouldn't have a backup, so it now sounds dangerous.
[14:37:08] <Thouren> Simply because going to a better redundancy makes available space plummet
[14:36:45] <Thouren> I use raid5 on a 4x 240gb ssd array, but all the data is backed up
[14:36:22] <dyingtolive> but wouldn't the same thing happen repairing a raid 1?
[14:35:35] <cmn32480> they thrash the living shit out of the others to recreate the missing disk and you can easily lose a second disk in the process.
[14:35:05] <cmn32480> the roblem is when you lose the disk
[14:35:04] <Thouren> Trust us, no raid5
[14:35:00] <Thouren> Chances of a second disk dying increase during a rebuild, not enough redundancy in raid5 to handle that with large disks
[14:34:06] <dyingtolive> seems like a good compromise.
[14:34:01] <dyingtolive> serious question: why? double read speed and you can lose a disk and still keep your data?
[14:33:33] <cmn32480> and deadly to large hard disks
[14:33:26] <cmn32480> EVIL
[14:33:14] <cmn32480> Raid 5 is bad
[14:33:08] <Thouren> dyingtolive, you're welcome bro
[14:32:34] <dyingtolive> welp, i'm not getting anything done today. thanks Thouren.
[14:31:54] <shekel> ^ 03Too Many Requests
[14:31:54] <Thouren> dyingtolive, https://www.reddit.com
[14:31:41] <dyingtolive> the software might make it worth it then. i was hoping for a 3 drive raid5, and the jump from the 2 bay nas to the 4 pay is pretty steep.
[14:31:05] <cmn32480> everything depends on how much storage you need for that pron collection
[14:29:45] <cmn32480> to sync a folder to a folder
[14:29:21] <cmn32480> they ahve a lot of addons that you can put in, including the cloud storage
[14:28:58] <cmn32480> I have a 2 disk unit on a mirror... a 212j (I think)
[14:28:21] <dyingtolive> they're a little pricy though. my initial plan involved cramming them into an existing box laying around the apartment.
[14:27:39] <dyingtolive> that looks pretty slick.
[14:26:33] <shekel> ^ 03Service Support - Synology - Network Attached Storage (NAS)
[14:26:31] <cmn32480> https://www.synology.com
[14:26:31] <cmn32480> this is somethign that I am considering implementing at my house
[14:25:11] <cmn32480> depending on how you want to do it, Synology makes some nice home NAS boxen
[14:24:03] <Thouren> I like hardware for local "scratch space" raid, big fan of ZFS on a dedicated box for backups and stuff you don't need available wicked fast or change often
[14:24:00] <dyingtolive> yeah, the overhead was something i was wondering about. i was thinking about doing media server/ownCloud type stuff, so it would probably see quite a bit of usage.
[14:22:32] <cmn32480> it really depends what you are tryign to accomplish
[14:22:07] <cmn32480> and is not OS dependant
[14:21:56] <cmn32480> hardware has a lot sless overhead
[14:21:36] <qkontinuum> I'm not an admin, but my layman opinion would be to prefer SW raid for more flexibility and lower price.
[14:20:22] <dyingtolive> does anyone have any strong feelings on modern software raid vs hardware raid for a home environment?
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[12:52:25] <cmn32480> they work pretty well, and the battery life has been far better than I ever anticipated
[12:52:04] <cmn32480> I use these in our conference rooms
[12:51:49] <shekel> ^ 03Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more - Newegg.com ( http://www.newegg.com )
[12:51:48] <cmn32480> http://www.newegg.com
[12:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, smoke n coffee n bullshit with the roomie time. back later
[12:49:45] <shekel> ^ 03Combine the best of Kodi and Plex with PleXBMC Addon
[12:49:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.htpcbeginner.com
[12:48:36] <dyingtolive> oh... looking more at the plex site, pi isn't supported?
[12:46:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> it sucks if you have to do a LOT of typing on it but for setting up a distro or navigating media center menus it's da shiz.
[12:46:00] <Thouren> I don't have great upload, you usually have to limit to 720p
[12:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well my hand.
[12:45:37] <Thouren> dyingtolive, see if it has plex support. But seriously make an account on the plex website and you can use my server to check out the interface, streaming settings, etc
[12:45:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout as long as your hand.
[12:45:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, it is.
[12:45:20] <dyingtolive> wow that keyboard is small, if the usb is to scale.
[12:45:20] <sedctl> <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it has a laser pointer which offers me endless hours of screwing around all by itself.
[12:45:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/house/hours/
[12:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it has a laser pointer which offers me endless house of screwing around all by itself.
[12:44:32] <dyingtolive> no. i've been using a fire tv stick. what is does is great, but i'm sick of rubbing against the edges of the walled garden.
[12:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> roughly as long as your hand. controlls the rpi quite well even if you need to type things.
[12:43:36] <Thouren> dyingtolive, you have a chromecast?
[12:43:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.mcmelectronics.com
[12:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, will show yas.
[12:42:57] <Thouren> I mostly use it with a chromecast, using a android tablet as "remote"
[12:42:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, mine's a little bitty wireless keyboard/mouse thing.
[12:42:32] <dyingtolive> oh. that kind of answers that question then.
[12:42:21] <Thouren> or even the android app
[12:42:18] <dyingtolive> how do you guys handle control of the media center? like, remotes? wireless keyboards?
[12:42:15] <Thouren> dyingtolive, create an account on Plex's website then PM me with the email you used for it. I'll add you to my plex share so you can check it out. you'll just need the plex for chrome app
[12:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> streaming's nice and easy to set up specially on plex or ums but remember it always degrades quality if you have to transcode.
[12:41:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Always worked for me, anyway.
[12:41:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> dyingtolive: usually you can get away with punching hole in apartment walls - just be sure to spackle and paint over the holes before you move out.
[12:41:27] <dyingtolive> that's not a bad idea.
[12:41:17] <dyingtolive> yeah, you're doing a pretty good job of selling me on it.
[12:41:16] <Thouren> Probably should set up VM's with each running, see which you like more
[12:40:59] <Thouren> dyingtolive, that's what makes the connection quality settings and idiot-proof sync options so amazing
[12:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> same here but we get good 802.11n signal round the house.
[12:40:47] <dyingtolive> though the girlfriend is moving in in a few months, so i might just rearrange things to have a lan connection by then anyway.
[12:40:24] <dyingtolive> it'd probably be wireless, unfortunately. i can't get away with punching holes to run cable in my apartment.
[12:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, lan, man, lan
[12:39:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> streaming's gonna be better if you're stuck on 802.11g or a bad 802.11n connection. gigabit wired you're better off using a media center like kodi or osmc and getting full quality.
[12:38:50] <dyingtolive> i get about 70 down / 5 up.
[12:38:49] <Thouren> Plus plex has options to downgrade quality based on bandwidth easily, and if you pay for their "pro" subscription it'll sync transcoded files to your devices automagically
[12:38:38] <dyingtolive> ugh. Buzzard, even
[12:38:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:38:23] <dyingtolive> Bussard: you talking to me?
[12:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on your network. what kinda bandwidth you have?
[12:37:09] <Thouren> It's not a dedicated OS image or anything
[12:37:00] <Thouren> I'm running Plex Media server on a Ubuntu Server 14.04 VM
[12:36:56] <dyingtolive> i might be able to live with that then.
[12:36:44] <Thouren> dyingtolive, on the server it runs on, sure
[12:36:37] <dyingtolive> ssh or something?
[12:36:32] <Thouren> But I think I'll make an afternoon project out of kodi on a pi0
[12:36:30] <dyingtolive> can you still get to a console in it?
[12:36:16] <Thouren> It is closed source though
[12:36:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure i spect. it runs fine on a rpi 1A
[12:36:11] <Thouren> Plex, for ease of use
[12:36:01] <dyingtolive> while you guys are on the topic, which of the two would you recommend?
[12:35:55] <Thouren> Will OSMC run well on a pi-zero?
[12:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> just server vs client
[12:35:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:35:09] <Thouren> Plex and OSMC are both forks of kodi/xbmc
[12:34:54] <Thouren> haha, we're running a pretty similar setup them
[12:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i got OSMC on my rpi though. makes for a very nice media center. pulls artwork and episode summaries and shat for you automagically.
[12:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. got that covered here aside from the roomie deciding to download a high quality 1080p movie or something.
[12:32:44] <Thouren> No configuration needed
[12:32:39] <Thouren> Plus it's awesome to whip out my tablet at a friends place, select what we want to watch, and have their chromecast stream it
[12:32:05] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, I like how PLEX automagically handles transcoding, and makes it very easy to lower quality based on connection speed
[12:31:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> my raspberry pi can mount most any kind of network filesystem, so streaming == worse than byte for byte reading
[12:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> tried it, prefer just exposing them via files
[12:28:05] <Thouren> If you have lots of varied devices it's like magic
[12:27:51] <Thouren> Have you tried Plex Media Server?
[12:27:44] <Thouren> Media collection here is getting quite large
[12:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or in the case of my file server, tons n tons of tv and movies
[12:27:20] <Thouren> Not planning to use overpriced nas drives. I'd rather just build in enough redundancy and error correction to use cheap disks
[12:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> porn collections can get large over the years though
[12:26:05] <Thouren> 3tb disks are $80 each
[12:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> expensive on disks but handy.
[12:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, sounds handy
[12:25:32] <Thouren> Friend of mine is doing the same too, we're planning on keeping a mirror of each others data
[12:25:11] <Thouren> I want to build a dedicated FreeNAS box for storing device backups and stuff I don't want to delete but probably won't need in the near future
[12:24:46] <Thouren> You can have a freenas volume exposed via freenas, have a couple like that myself
[12:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> been my experience that samba/nfs handles this more gracefully
[12:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, wireless goes down when the cable modem cycles. means you're unexpectedly disconnected from the NAS.
[12:21:59] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, don't have any trouble using FreeNAS with any of my devices
[12:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nas is too much of a pain in an all-wireless, heterogeneous OS house. sticking with non-auto-mounting nfs and samba.
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[12:16:51] <Thouren> I want to upgrade to an AMD Zen cpu once they're out. My x4 760k mobo/cpu is being repurposed for a NAS system
[12:16:02] <qkontinuum> Not even to use it as an excuse? How about "Making used servers more expensive for others by buying the cheap ones"?
[12:15:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now the athlon2 is working fine as a file server and minecraft aside that's all we use it for.
[12:15:32] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, plenty of good reasons to own a server for personal use
[12:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, can't be altruistic because i don't do that.
[12:14:38] <qkontinuum> Your contribution to boost economy?
[12:13:43] <Thouren> Spend it because you want to :)
[12:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, may do that if i can figure an excuse to spend the money.
[12:12:37] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, look on CL and the such for used server gear. Serious bang for your buck
[12:12:21] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm running an x4 760k in my gaming machine, still performs great
[12:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really need an excuse to build a new server that can handle mc better than a AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 with two gigs of ram
[11:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> so really, for a forge server, eight gigs for maybe a dozen people tops.
[11:55:31] <dyingtolive> not hard to believe. i haven't even touched MC since M$ got their talons into it.
[11:54:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> shame i'm doing client modding too or i'd switch us to craftbukkit
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[11:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, sounds bout right though craftbukkit nowadays runs better than forge or vanilla by a damn sight.
[11:54:04] <Thouren> I mean ram is $20/1x8gb, have been needing an excuse to upgrade
[11:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, i think you could probably get by for a lan on two gigs if you didn't run anything else. i run other stuff though so it gets pretty choppy n laggy.
[11:53:17] <dyingtolive> i ran it with tekkit a few years ago and used about 4gb. i had about 6 people on it, very spread out.
[11:53:12] <Thouren> Adding more ram and ssd storage (soon)
[11:52:24] <Thouren> What are the ram requirements these days?
[11:52:17] <Thouren> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[11:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you got the ram to spin one up for the community though, i've heard interest in it before.
[11:52:04] <qkontinuum> I have a virtual root somewhere for different purposes. I don't want my calendar, address-book etc. from phone on Google or MS cloud...
[11:52:03] <Thouren> I have a secondhand dell r610
[11:51:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, yar. we got a local server what can barely host a minecraft server, which really is good enough for testing.
[11:50:56] <Thouren> Have a home server, not like I'd be paying for the hosting to spin up a VM for a minecraft server
[11:50:35] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, didn't try until now. I have some ideas, but too many other things to work on in my free time... Woulld be the hero of my son if I started minecraft-modding, though :-)
[11:50:34] <Thouren> No worries
[11:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> lava golem mod is just a proof of concept
[11:50:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, be a while. bout to start working on a mod with the roomie's male child this weekend.
[11:49:56] <Thouren> Ugh, xbone
[11:49:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, prolly would be if i were bored enough and didn't have a roomie who compulsively buys xbox one games.
[11:49:03] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, if you want a beta tester for some mods I am looking for an excuse to set up a minecraft server again
[11:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> qkontinuum, both really. adding mobs requires server and client modding.
[11:48:32] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, To each their own, wasn't trying to hassle you about it. Just thought it might be a game you'd enjoy
[11:48:11] <Thouren> So I just got done watching "The Man from Earth" for the first time in a few years, amazing film
[11:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, not interested in learning for fun. i do enough of that already.
[11:47:41] <qkontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard, are you focusing on client-side mods or server-side (bukkit?)
[11:46:56] <Thouren> I'm telling you, it's an amazing game once you get past the learning curve
[11:46:42] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, check out the Lazy Newb Pack
[11:44:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thouren, gonna make my lava golem sit and stay where ya put him. following you around all the time can get annoying.
[11:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> too low rez for me. i needs pixels.
[11:41:54] <Thouren> TheMightyBuzzard, DWARF FORTRESS
[11:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i'll do some minecraft modding
[11:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, a whole week of nothin to code
[11:21:06] <shekel> ^ 03Enormous Penis a cappella (Da Vinci's Notebook) - YouTube
[11:21:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:20:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[11:20:22] <shekel> ^ 03Cyanide Happiness (Explosm.net)
[11:20:22] <qkontinuum> http://explosm.net
[11:20:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2156
[11:20:20] <qkontinuum> coffee++
[11:20:12] * exec clumsily slides a caravan of bacon to cmn32480
[11:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'mornin cmn32480
[11:19:58] * exec insatiably passes a pair of used panties full of red cordial to TheMightyBuzzard
[11:19:56] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:19:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2155
[11:19:50] <cmn32480> coffee++
[11:19:48] <cmn32480> amen buzzard
[11:18:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2154
[11:18:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
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[08:09:18] <Runaway1956> I saw that exact thing a few days ago - I thought it odd, but didn't really give it any thought.
[08:07:58] <SirFinkus> but if you scroll up, it disappears
[08:07:51] <SirFinkus> if you scroll down a bit, a top bar appears with some useful links
[08:07:19] <SirFinkus> here's a website UI FAIL
[08:03:41] * SirFinkus can't stop listening to La Cañada
[07:20:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Netflix Too Full of Porn and Violence, Indonesia's Largest Telco Says - http://sylnt.us - what's-the-code-for-netflix-porn
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[05:49:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DHS Official: Balance Rights to Anonymity with Rights to Public Safety - http://sylnt.us - can't-they-find-a-new-excuse-to-steal-my-rights
[04:59:16] <SirFinkus> YOU KNOW IT
[04:59:06] <chromas> on Fink FM
[04:58:54] * SirFinkus is listening to Paco de Lucía — La Cañada (tangos), from the album Siroco
[04:26:55] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:24:39] * Deucalion departs to the under-duvet
[04:20:36] * Deucalion hides from the US electioneering
[04:18:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Canada Stops Sharing Intelligence Over Privacy Breach - http://sylnt.us - sounds-like-a-smart-idea
[04:17:26] <Runaway1956> Ooooh, Clinton is getting nervous, and is emulating Sanders - suddenly she is "outraged" over the high price of pharmaceuticals, and corporate tax dodging.
[04:14:38] <Runaway1956> LOL
[04:14:24] <chromas> Runaway1956: nah, it's self-abuse. hitting the bag would be domestic abuse
[04:12:56] <Deucalion> pfft....
[04:12:37] <Bytram> Deucalion: nice chatting with ya, as always.
[04:12:32] <Runaway1956> domestic abuse?
[04:12:30] <Bytram> chromas: and a very good night to you, too!
[04:12:26] <chromas> [joke]
[04:12:23] <Deucalion> nighters Bytram
[04:12:15] <Bytram> think it's time to hit the sack
[04:12:14] <chromas> g'night, sir
[04:12:06] <Bytram> anyway... eyelids are getting droopy after a long day at work
[04:11:41] <Bytram> it's not doing anything to help me, that i can see
[04:11:36] <chromas> don't want people stealin' screenies of my browser tabs
[04:11:30] <Bytram> actually, I'd rather wish I *could* forget the drm.
[04:11:11] <chromas> don't forget the drm
[04:10:54] <Bytram> and that is assuming no overhead for transmission, no control blocks of any kind.
[04:10:53] <chromas> Should be able to compress the frames a bit too, losslessly
[04:10:49] * Runaway1956 thought he had something with two 24" monitors
[04:10:21] <Bytram> or 14,155,776,000 bits per second
[04:09:17] <chromas> I got 1,990,656,000
[04:09:16] <Deucalion> Bytram, AMD and NVidia going to smaller processes this year (if you believe it) could change the entire market. If the fluff is to believed AMD are going to be first to market. Then I will be able to afford a last gen card.... if only I could work out their numbering :D
[04:09:02] <Bytram> according to my calculations that is: 1,769,472,000 bytes/sec
[04:08:37] <chromas> which would be awesome
[04:08:22] <chromas> really only need 24bits per pixel, unless your monitor can do transparent pixels
[04:07:35] <Bytram> (3840 * 2160 * 60 * 32) bits per second
[04:05:59] <chromas> then I can get 140 channels, just like cable, with compression artifacts and ads
[04:05:55] <Bytram> true-color 32 bpp
[04:05:26] <chromas> not that much. just use rf over coax
[04:04:54] <Bytram> while you are at it, take a look at the bandwidth required to drive that display at 60hz
[04:04:19] * chromas stops to do the math on 43" 3840x2160
[04:04:17] <Bytram> and, of course, require an even higher bandwidth...
[04:03:53] <chromas> now if they could just up the dpi a bit
[04:03:36] <Bytram> nograb
[04:03:34] <Bytram> I figure it'll be 2-3 years and it'd me much more affordable a proposition for me.
[04:03:17] <chromas> with three monitors
[04:03:16] <Bytram> Especially with AMD/NVidea going from a 28nm to a 14nm process, graphics cards/controllers will drop in price and increase in capability to the point that it will be reasonably affordable to drive such a large display as a monitor, and the cost of the monitor will decrease as well.
[04:03:14] <chromas> but still use virtual desktops anyhow
[04:01:01] <Bytram> with a 43" diagonal, and a 3840x2160 resolution, I could finally have a desktop large enough to keep all of my active windows visible at once without overlap.
[04:00:58] <Deucalion> All I do know is that no-one is broadcasting anything at 4K @120Hz. The bandwidth hurt on that would be extreme. You may get some upscaled crud claiming to be 4K... but it won't be.
[04:00:47] <chromas> interlaced video was a retarded thing to do with hd
[04:00:14] <Bytram> there were a bunch of intermediary resolutions, IIRC, but we ended up pretty much with 720[i/p] and 1080[i/p] when things settled down.
[04:00:09] <chromas> and possibly youtube
[04:00:03] <chromas> I still haven't seen anything in 1080p, except maybe netflix
[03:59:33] <Bytram> chromas: at the time, it was all they could do to handle the bandwidth presented by 1080p
[03:59:31] <chromas> You're supposed to know these things
[03:59:15] <Deucalion> I have no idea...
[03:59:03] <Bytram> I'm currently running a 24" diagonal 1920x1200 display
[03:58:55] <chromas> Also, why isn't Full HD 1440? that way it's easy to scale up 720 video
[03:58:45] <Bytram> chromas: exactly.
[03:57:57] <chromas> now, as a monitor
[03:57:42] <chromas> is there a use to 4k video? I thought it was already established most people can't tell the difference between 720 and 1080 for video at tv distances
[03:57:34] <Deucalion> then use binoculars to find it :D
[03:57:12] <chromas> run netflix or youtube or something in another corner
[03:57:00] <Deucalion> No-one is broadcasting 4K... lucky to get 1080i or maybe 1080p....
[03:56:39] <chromas> but windows are nice 'cause you can still do irc and stuff. you know, the important things
[03:56:23] <chromas> But no; I guess I forgot about games
[03:56:16] <Deucalion> That's what I do :P
[03:56:00] <chromas> whatever you've got; just run the game in a window in the corner :D
[03:55:00] <Deucalion> chromas, care to suggest a GFX card that can drive a 4K screen at 120Hz (120FPS) at Ultra settings in modern games? I'm not sure even dual nvidia titans could do that reliably.
[03:52:23] <chromas> oh. laptops--
[03:52:17] <Deucalion> cmn32480, or as a corporate buyer... just don't by Dell. Easier than the soldering stuff.
[03:52:08] <Bytram> or have a lpatop that would not accept a card
[03:51:53] <chromas> unless you have $0 after you buy it :D
[03:51:44] <chromas> Bytram: if you can afford the monitor, surely you can afford a $100 card to drive it
[03:51:05] <cmn32480> there is a chip that can be unsoldered from the mobo to prevent it
[03:50:48] <cmn32480> dell has been doing that for years Deucalion
[03:50:43] * Bytram saw a 43", 120Hz 4K monitor on sale for $538 at WalMart this past weekend. Wish i had a system that could drive it. Expect the prices to continue to come down on those displays, too.
[03:47:18] <Deucalion> Meh - it was a work lappy - glad to see the back of it
[03:47:10] <chromas> at least someone's using PLC
[03:46:51] <Deucalion> something like that... thing refused to charge unless attached to a Dell power brick thing
[03:46:14] <Bytram> serial signal superimposed on the power feed?
[03:45:43] <Deucalion> ahh.. but there is witchcraft in laptop charging bricks... no idea why but my last Dell laptop could tell me the serial number of the power brick attached...
[03:45:21] <SirFinkus> everyone knows that
[03:45:17] <SirFinkus> no, that's for lithium batteries chromas
[03:44:24] <chromas> I've found that unplugging and shorting the contacts in a laptop psu helps when it decides to quit working
[03:44:13] <Deucalion> a bath of salty water that is earthed... just chuck it in... then grab a leg
[03:44:09] <cmn32480> and it was a helluva flash
[03:44:07] <Bytram> nah, would just weld the craftsman tool to the leads
[03:43:55] <cmn32480> my tech used to use plastic handled screw drivers
[03:43:50] <chromas> (the metal chunk, not tongue)
[03:43:48] <SirFinkus> or the tip of your penis
[03:43:39] <chromas> That's what I do, but I wondered if that would discharge too fast or something
[03:43:36] <Bytram> cmn32480: but be sure to *toss* it across the leads... don't hold onto it.
[03:43:29] <Deucalion> chromas you troll
[03:43:24] <SirFinkus> tongue works best chromas
[03:43:11] <cmn32480> craftsman wrench
[03:42:59] <chromas> so if you want to discharge a capacitor or psu or something, is it better to use a resistor?
[03:42:55] <Bytram> :/
[03:42:53] <Bytram> yeah, if I'd have died, it would make the learning part a bit more difficult.
[03:42:35] <Deucalion> we live and learn! huzzah!
[03:42:33] <SirFinkus> night cmn32480
[03:42:23] * exec covertly flings an anvil of Debian at SirFinkus!
[03:42:20] <cmn32480> ~gnight SirFinkus!
[03:42:13] <chromas> g'night sir
[03:42:09] * Bytram knows better than to do something like that, now.
[03:42:05] <cmn32480> and chromas too
[03:42:00] <cmn32480> same to you, gents
[03:41:52] <Bytram> cmn32480: and a very good night to you, too!
[03:41:50] <Deucalion> sleep well cmn32480
[03:41:45] * exec prematurely tosses a tinfoil hat of bacon to #soylent
[03:41:43] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
[03:41:42] <Bytram> I ws in college then; had more curiosity than wariness at the time.
[03:41:36] <cmn32480> fellas, you have a good night
[03:41:27] <Bytram> hence the long cord and out the window.
[03:41:13] <Deucalion> Bytram, well I wouldn't go shorting such a cap even if I thought I knew it were discharged
[03:41:12] <Bytram> they were only rated for something like 20 volts; thought for sure the 120 volt AC would short it out and then go boom
[03:40:53] <cmn32480> the tech used to work without their wedding rings out of fear
[03:40:39] <chromas> you needed something else on the circuit, otherwise it's just in series :D
[03:40:38] <Bender> karma - printronix: 1
[03:40:38] <Bytram> printronix++ AMAZING printers!
[03:40:29] <cmn32480> smaller than a soda can, but not much
[03:40:22] <Bytram> these caps were about 6 inches tall and about 3 inches in diameter
[03:40:14] <cmn32480> old Printronix line printers had caps in them that were enormous
[03:39:53] <Bytram> sadly, no boom.
[03:39:47] <Bytram> nope, took a 60-foot power cord, attached each lead to one leg of the cap, hung it out he window and plugged it in.
[03:39:41] * Deucalion hides from any capacitor bigger than his thumb... who knows... it could be charged and give a hella belt.... I made that mistake once...
[03:39:24] <Bender> karma - bytram: 74
[03:39:24] <cmn32480> bytram++
[03:39:01] <Bytram> then again XPoint and their ilk may speed things up.
[03:38:58] <chromas> then you had a capacitor fight with your friends ;)
[03:38:45] <Bytram> that quick, eh? I was thinking more like 5 years.
[03:38:23] <Bytram> I noticed the heavy-duty power supply, and after careful grounding, removed the capacitors; there were a bout a half-dozen 3-fahrad cans
[03:37:55] <Deucalion> Bytram, with the arrival of 3D flash architectures as already on the market.... a couple of years for near line stuff. Cold storage is another matter...
[03:37:38] <Bytram> college ACM club sold tickets to demolish an ancient, no-longer-working Burroughs computer. size of 3 refrigerators. Was very popular. Got three swings with a big old sledgehammer for $1.00 (Freshman Fundamentals of Programming class was a famous source of displeasure).
[03:37:23] <cmn32480> create them from our ears?
[03:37:11] <chromas> What could we do with wax cylinders using modern wax and needle technology?
[03:36:22] <shekel> ^ 03FedEx Bandwidth
[03:36:21] <cmn32480> Obigatory: https://what-if.xkcd.com
[03:35:26] <SirFinkus> hard drives, printers, and psus need to be dangerous again
[03:35:19] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, you underestimate me sir
[03:35:18] <Bytram> how soon do you realistically think price parity will arrive?
[03:35:17] <cmn32480> never underestimate the bandwidth of a fedex truck going down the highway
[03:34:57] <SirFinkus> you're no fun Deucalion
[03:34:53] <cmn32480> true
[03:34:43] <Deucalion> umm.... sorry to mention this... Flash et al. is eating spinning rust. It'll soon be at price parity.
[03:34:40] <SirFinkus> not saying it's a good idea, but I'm curious
[03:34:23] <cmn32480> the seek time on spiining rust that big woudl be god awful
[03:34:16] <SirFinkus> and with multiple drives you can have RAID and shit
[03:34:04] <SirFinkus> it could just be a power thing
[03:33:52] <Bytram> anyone know for sure?
[03:33:48] <Bytram> I think there is a reason why current drives are only 2.5" or 3.5" instead of the 5" or larger sizes that used to be the norm... I doubt they can maintain the stability and areal density across such large platters.
[03:33:45] <cmn32480> each drive is 6" deep, including the back plane
[03:33:26] <cmn32480> 10 drives across?
[03:33:17] <chromas> They could have multiple head armatures
[03:33:02] <SirFinkus> but probably faster than tape
[03:33:02] <cmn32480> well... how many 4TB drives in a standard 19inch rack?
[03:32:53] <SirFinkus> probably the same as the old days
[03:32:42] * Deucalion wonders what the seek time would be
[03:32:21] * SirFinkus wonders how much capacity we could have with hard drives that large with today's tech
[03:31:22] <cmn32480> 'till they went under
[03:30:59] <cmn32480> steel mill here had a System/360
[03:30:45] <cmn32480> anybody who has ancient systems...
[03:30:28] <Deucalion> HA - you can still buy DC6150, DC6250 etc. tape... someone out there is still using them... my bet is on the banks.
[03:30:24] * cmn32480 hates tax time...
[03:30:02] <cmn32480> ye gads... I took a goddamn BATH on my rental property this year
[03:29:03] <Deucalion> I still remember the shock moving to DAT tape from good old DC6150 1/4" tapes... wut, how small are these... and how much do they hold... and wait... that's the backup done... that used to take all night, are you sure?... etc. And that was the rate of change in my 20s.... I figure you're probably a gen ahead of me but I don;t think anything has changed when it comes to rate of change.
[03:24:17] <Bytram> back then, 6250 bpi was high-density storage on a mag tape (compared to 1600 bpi) ... (bpi == Bits per inch)
[03:23:57] <Deucalion> aye.. boggles me
[03:23:45] <Bytram> just look at the current areal density.
[03:23:35] <Bytram> tolerances are just a wee bit finer these days.
[03:23:17] <Deucalion> there*
[03:23:12] <Deucalion> I seem to remember they was some "slop" in the width of tracks on hard drives back in those days.... :)
[03:22:33] <Bytram> they don't make 'em like they used to.
[03:22:27] <Bytram> and ran without errors the whole time.
[03:22:14] <Bytram> one place I worked, they forgot to set the locks on the drive's wheels... on a production system... they found out about their mistake when the drive had walked several feet across the floor and tipped into the access ramp to the raised-floor area and was tilted at a 20 degree angle... it had reached the end of the cord and it was the only thing keeping it from completely tipping over.
[03:20:31] <Bytram> would prollyt cause the heads to go out of alignment
[03:20:21] <Bytram> ahh, now I understand
[03:19:13] <Deucalion> Bytram, I meant what would happen if the entire dishwasher sized outer unit where bolted to the floor (presumably with rubbers to defeat vibration) - and then your friend exercised the heads as they did.... the unit can no longer "walk" around....
[03:14:54] <Bytram> break time; biab
[03:14:18] * Bytram was trying to picture a hamburger with a mac-n-cheese topping
[03:13:22] <Bytram> still, that was a HUGE improvement over the alternative of saving programs to paper tape.
[03:13:07] <SirFinkus> delicious now
[03:13:03] <SirFinkus> I fixed my hamburger mac and cheese
[03:12:06] <Bytram> had a capacity of 80MB
[03:11:59] <Bytram> the 'small' packs had like 7 or so platters. Did I mention that the platters were something like 13 inches across?
[03:10:59] <SirFinkus> I've seen those
[03:10:39] <Bytram> so, to what would one 'bolt' the disk pack to?
[03:10:27] <Bytram> pack was the stack of disks on a common spindle. the drive had the motor that spun the platters and had the actuators to move the read/write heads across the platters.
[03:09:34] <Deucalion> would it have been more detrimental is the disk pack was bolted down?
[03:09:17] <Bytram> the drive itself wasthe size of a washing machine
[03:09:07] <Bytram> this is when a disk pack weighed about 20 pounds and stored 300 MB
[03:08:53] <Bytram> got the disk drive to walk across the floor
[03:08:44] <Bytram> SirFinkus: had a classmate in college who wrote code to seek in one track at a time on a disk drive until it got to the center. then it rapidly seeked all the way back out, and repeated it in a loop.
[03:08:02] <SirFinkus> objectively the best printer
[03:08:00] <cmn32480> was that before or after the printer operator cleaned his shorts?
[03:07:55] <shekel> ^ 03Rocky's Printer - Eye of the tiger on a dot matrix printer [HD] - YouTube
[03:07:55] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:07:36] <Bytram> operator came running out of the print room and gave him a talking to... could have broken the print band and that would have been REALLY noisy!
[03:07:15] <cmn32480> lucky the thing didn't shatter
[03:07:14] <SirFinkus> and of course playing the star wars themes etc
[03:07:03] <Bytram> 132 print hammers firing off all at once
[03:07:01] <SirFinkus> I've heard stories of people writing shit to make the printer rock itself off the table
[03:06:50] <Bytram> sounded like a machine gun going off
[03:06:43] <Bytram> he submitted it way late at night.
[03:06:28] <Bytram> had a coworker at IBM, taking an assembly language class, wrote a driver for a band printer, had a bright idea and sent out a print line such that the first character on the line matched a char on the print band, the next char matched the next char on the band, etc. basically print out 132 columns of characters that were all under the print hammers at the same time.
[03:06:26] <SirFinkus> I think I'll get a dot matrix
[03:06:05] <Deucalion> Damn cheap per page
[03:05:53] <Deucalion> I remember risographs - those things were hellishly fast... but woe betide you if you chose the wrong paper.
[03:05:29] * cmn32480 's company still sells and services some of them occassionally
[03:04:56] <cmn32480> you need a good one, look at Printek and Printronix
[03:04:54] <SirFinkus> so people still use them
[03:04:49] <SirFinkus> they work on carbon paper
[03:04:40] <Bytram> noisy buggers, tho
[03:04:40] <chromas> make the pins shiv the paper
[03:04:32] <SirFinkus> those were the shit
[03:04:25] <SirFinkus> printer even
[03:04:21] <SirFinkus> I want a dot matrix printr
[03:04:14] <cmn32480> envelope inserts for a VERY large mailing
[03:04:07] <chromas> nah, sharks need water so the paper will get stiff when it dries
[03:04:07] * Bytram recommends duplex printing and a 4pt font
[03:04:04] <SirFinkus> the US tax code
[03:03:56] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, I would like a bunch of monks to hand write my words and illustrate them too...
[03:03:49] <Bytram> cmn32480: 120,000 pages? What in the world ARE you printing?
[03:03:37] <cmn32480> or get a shark and put a frickin laser on it's head
[03:03:37] <chromas> or build one
[03:03:33] <SirFinkus> actually sounds like a good idea chromas
[03:03:19] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:03:18] <chromas> SirFinkus: buy a plotter and install a high-powered laser on it
[03:03:09] <cmn32480> bytram - in July we print a job that runs about 120k pages, we get to make a preheated igloo!
[03:03:00] <Bytram> when printer claims cartridge is empty, a gentle shaking left&right, front&back, up&down, will often reset things enough to get many more page out.
[03:02:43] <SirFinkus> chromas you need special paper for those
[03:02:33] <Deucalion> Samsung ML2525W here... must be 5 - 6 years old.. thing just works as a LPR printer, but it has a nice web interface, wireless if you like... and it was cheap as chips. I think Dell have the same model rebranded. Only downside... it is shite at printing envelopes... but the what printer isn't?
[03:02:29] <chromas> well there's the thermal printers; probably the closest you'll get without h4x0ring
[03:02:04] <cmn32480> SirFinkus - that one i just posted is currently on sale for $79
[03:01:52] <SirFinkus> no ink, just burn
[03:01:41] <SirFinkus> I don't care how fast it is
[03:01:33] <Bytram> Once had a large print job (couple hundred pages) and when I retrieved it, felt like I was holding a warm brick.
[03:01:32] * chromas doesn't print much though
[03:01:32] <SirFinkus> I want a laser printer that burns the letters into paper
[03:01:31] <shekel> ^ 03Samsung M2830DW Xpress Monochrome Laser Printer | Staples®
[03:01:30] <cmn32480> http://www.staples.com
[03:01:23] * chromas did that a couple years ago; still hasn't run out
[03:01:02] <chromas> On some lasers, when they tell you the toner is out, you can put a piece of tape over the little window on the cartridge and keep going for awhile
[03:01:00] <Bytram> I'd forgotten about that.
[03:00:33] <SirFinkus> instead of feeling damp
[03:00:17] <SirFinkus> laser printer paper comes out nice and warm too, which is nice
[02:59:58] <cmn32480> all 2 pages per minute
[02:59:52] <cmn32480> still worked
[02:59:46] <cmn32480> my dad tossed a LaserJet II abotu 2 years ago
[02:59:39] <SirFinkus> must be a good wiper
[02:59:16] <cmn32480> only on the second toner
[02:59:12] <cmn32480> my brother is 7-8 years old
[02:58:54] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, if you print rarely an inkjet is certainly the worst choice. It will be fucked up one way or another when you want it.
[02:58:51] <SirFinkus> I'll look into it next time I buy a printer
[02:58:43] <cmn32480> some even have network connectivity.
[02:58:36] <Bytram> Deucalion: agreed. I got 8 or so years from an HP personal laser printer, am going on 10 years with my current Brother B&W laser
[02:58:31] <cmn32480> there are inexpensive lasers that cost you <$100 out of the box with a starter toner
[02:58:27] <SirFinkus> I certainly don't need color
[02:58:05] <cmn32480> mmmmmm nipple
[02:58:04] <SirFinkus> yeah, but I print so rarely, it's barely worth having a printer in the first place
[02:57:22] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, if you don't print much, lasers seem really expensive on paper... but TCO is sooo much less than crappy inkjets that take forever to chunk and whirr into life then complain they have a blocked nipple. B&W simple laser will last a lifetime if you buy well :)
[02:56:46] <Bytram> hey! I *did* get the spelling right!
[02:56:32] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:56:31] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:56:29] <Bytram> ~g Scylla and Charybdis
[02:55:35] <chromas> they burn themselves into your heart
[02:55:33] <Bytram> Oh? Very well then. Carry on with your carrying on!
[02:55:25] <SirFinkus> I realized that the world was a cold, cruel place
[02:55:11] <SirFinkus> that was the day I lost my naïveté
[02:55:05] <Deucalion> I was just cheering :D
[02:54:59] <SirFinkus> although I remember the day that I learned that laser printers don't actually burn the letters into the paper with lasers
[02:54:51] <Bytram> isn't that what I just said?
[02:54:38] <Deucalion> Bytram, PCL ftw!!
[02:54:25] <SirFinkus> a good one
[02:54:24] <Bytram> PCL 5.0 and Postscript FTW
[02:54:20] <SirFinkus> yeah, maybe I just need to get a laser printer
[02:54:03] <chromas> SirFinkus: at least you can stop by the Skool lab for now
[02:53:59] <SirFinkus> 0 effort
[02:53:55] <Deucalion> Takes the usual RAW and the decades old LPR spooling thing on is it port 515... I think it does SMB stuff too... but mostly... it's just like a laser printer of days gone by... click print.. it prints.
[02:53:55] <SirFinkus> that's a 3 cent fix though bytram
[02:53:34] * Bytram has encountered dull pencils with no lead showing, pens that have completely run out of ink, and run out of paper on numerous occasions
[02:52:58] <SirFinkus> i'd go to kinkos or something, but that's still 20 minutes
[02:52:33] <SirFinkus> on the rare occasion I need to print something, I always need to go through 20 minutes of bullshit to get the printer to work
[02:52:07] <Deucalion> My Samsung always works for me :/
[02:52:06] <SirFinkus> it takes longer, but it's much less frustrating
[02:51:52] <SirFinkus> writing by hand always works though Bytram
[02:51:31] <Deucalion> Nadella and Win10 perhaps? Heh... we know you declined this "upgrade" and went to the effort of quashing the relevant updates, edited your registry etc to stop it... but heh, we just reversed all those changes so have the update again! Ad nauseum.. that is exceptional.
[02:51:31] * Bytram prefers printers to having to write things out by hand. Yo, scribe! I need three copies of this and make it snappy!!
[02:50:50] * SirFinkus hates printers
[02:50:33] <Bytram> as opposed to... not at all?
[02:49:40] <SirFinkus> well, that would imply that HP printers actually print stuff occasionally
[02:48:27] <Bytram> if that was a grand job, I shudder to think what would be considered an exceptional job
[02:47:43] <Deucalion> Did a grand job with HP... :/
[02:45:55] <Bender> karma - chromas: 151
[02:45:55] <Bytram> chromas++ very bad pun
[02:45:39] <chromas> She's just there to see her name in print
[02:45:09] <Bytram> Fiorina, I believe
[02:44:58] <SirFinkus> the HP exec
[02:44:51] <SirFinkus> less famous than carly fiorona or however you spell her name
[02:44:07] <SirFinkus> nobody has been talking about him at all, he's just "that guy" that managed to qualify for the debates, where he might get 2 questions
[02:43:28] <SirFinkus> he's a nobody really
[02:43:12] <Deucalion> Is he the anti-Trump?
[02:41:30] <SirFinkus> and NYT just claimed that he should be the face of the republican party
[02:41:16] <SirFinkus> CNN just ran a puff piece about how he's running the most positive campaign
[02:40:55] <chromas> https://www.bing.com
[02:40:19] <chromas> oh neat. I do a search and get a 'breakdown' graph of his position on issues
[02:40:03] <SirFinkus> but suddenly, in the last 24 hours, he's getting write ups in major papers and shit
[02:39:49] <SirFinkus> you've never really heard of
[02:39:38] <SirFinkus> he's one of the republicans
[02:39:33] <SirFinkus> exactly
[02:39:29] <Deucalion> kasich?
[02:39:25] <SirFinkus> like, in the last 24 hours
[02:39:25] <exec> kasich: unable to find definition
[02:39:24] <chromas> ~define kasich
[02:39:13] * SirFinkus is suspicious of how much media coverage kasich has suddenly gotten
[02:39:10] <chromas> it's still a classic though
[02:38:43] <Deucalion> Don't they usually sit on top during spin cycle? Oh wait... it's not the '50s anymore there be all manner of gadgets for that kind of thing.
[02:35:32] <chromas> the mom's favorite ride
[02:34:43] <Bytram> I recall an episode of 'The Little rascals' where they had one of the kids riding on an operating washing machine... kid was going up and down and round and round, with bubbles spouting up around him.
[02:29:22] <Deucalion> No doubt there is a posse riding out there decrying it as encouraging bad parenthood or something... pfft... it sounded like a good laugh.... apparently the baby can suicide in the toilet :D
[02:27:54] <Bytram> that would certainly have gotten *my* attention, too
[02:27:01] <Deucalion> I have no idea Bytram... the only description of the baby I saw was "a shiny spud like thing with arms and legs and a head that can move to impossible angles like something out of exorcist"... I was tempted to buy just for the fact it made me laugh that anyone would turn ~that~ into a game. :D
[02:26:01] <Bytram> 'Calvin and Hobbes' is one of my all-time favorite comics
[02:25:03] <Bytram> I hope they named the baby Calvin
[02:25:02] <SirFinkus> it's a novelty game
[02:24:45] <Deucalion> It does indeed... but I think it is entirely reliant on online 1 v 1 rather than have the ability to have an AI play the other party..... so if it does not take off, it will be short lived.
[02:24:24] <shekel> ^ 03dade - YouTube
[02:24:24] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:23] <SirFinkus> bro team reviewed it
[02:23:49] <SirFinkus> oh, that game looks hilarious
[02:23:12] <Deucalion> Reminds me of something that popped into my Steam sale list this weekend.. a 1 v 1 called "Who's your Daddy?"... you either play the dad or the baby... the Dad has to keep baby from suiciding by various means, while the bably gets to crawl around shoving cutlery into power outlets, crawling into ovens and drinking bleach. The description and comments were dark humour at its best. I didn't buy it btw.
[02:20:55] * Bytram wonders what billy shot?
[02:19:49] <Deucalion> Hey Billy... crawl out here behind the log pile.... **BLAM***
[02:19:34] <cmn32480> nah... more like a gentle shove toward bed
[02:19:20] <Deucalion> :P
[02:19:19] * Bytram hopes not
[02:19:17] <Deucalion> cmn32480, I just called the police on yew....
[02:19:13] <Bytram> cmn32480: is that like putting a dog down?
[02:18:56] <SirFinkus> eww, the sundry too?
[02:18:55] * cmn32480 just put all the kids down
[02:18:38] * Bytram just supped on a large bowl of hot-and-sour soup
[02:18:27] <Deucalion> newp - all n sundry
[02:18:26] <cmn32480> we would be Soylenteers, after all
[02:18:15] <cmn32480> was that only directed at the staff?
[02:18:04] <SirFinkus> not much
[02:17:56] <Deucalion> sup soylenteers?
[02:16:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Texting at Night Affects Teens' Sleep, Academic Performance - http://sylnt.us - paint-a-faraday-cage-around-their-bedroom
[02:10:38] <cmn32480> damnit
[02:10:34] * cmn32480 can't remember his login for the bank that holds the mortgage
[02:07:03] <chromas> and wax
[02:06:12] <cmn32480> and honey will likely be on that list
[02:05:47] * Bytram observes that if you give honey a diamond ring you might end up with a honey-do list
[02:04:05] * cmn32480 wonders if thes guys will bee nice
[02:03:42] * Bytram wonders if that was a honey ring
[02:03:22] * chromas flushes a wax ring down Bytram's bowl
[02:03:17] * cmn32480 is starting to plug in numbers for his taxes
[02:02:37] * Bytram looks for a plungert
[02:02:26] * exec diabolically blows a toilet bowl of Debian at bytram
[02:02:24] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[02:02:18] <Bytram> cmn32480: g'day
[02:02:03] * exec spontaneously slides a socket of beer to chromas
[02:02:01] <cmn32480> ~gday chromas
[02:01:52] * exec abrasively flings a tinfoil hat of glowballs at sir
[02:01:50] <chromas> ~g'afternoon sir
[02:01:43] <cmn32480> damnit... what was that macro
[02:01:40] <chromas> 404 alias not found
[02:01:31] <cmn32480> ~g'evening #soylent
[02:01:27] <cmn32480> ~g'evening
[02:01:21] <Bytram> =)
[02:01:17] <Bytram> cronies... he loads his pages using a cron job
[02:00:57] <chromas> cronies? or toe-nies?
[02:00:55] <SirFinkus> which he reads in emacs
[02:00:37] <SirFinkus> everyone knows he gets his cronies to email him webpages
[02:00:18] <chromas> He uses and advocates windows 10
[02:00:01] <SirFinkus> rms? using a graphical web browser? on windows?
[01:59:36] <julian> Just like RMS :p
[01:59:27] <Bytram> on Windows, I use Pale Moon; Firefox was making too many UI changes for my liking.
[01:56:43] <SirFinkus> might use links occasionally, but it's much easier to just copy past into ssh and use wget
[01:56:37] <chromas> We just have to switch to using a proxy that converts web pages to email that we can look at in emacs
[01:55:43] <chromas> quipzilla would be decent-ish if it had noscript
[01:55:33] <SirFinkus> just use it for server stuff these days
[01:55:23] <SirFinkus> haven't used it, but I haven't used desktop linux in a while
[01:55:22] <julian> Lacks the add-ons though
[01:55:09] <julian> Midori is nice
[01:55:00] <julian> I'll use Chromium if the OS has a package manager to handle updates, but won't use Chrome
[01:54:56] <SirFinkus> firefox on linux because most of the other options suck
[01:54:40] <SirFinkus> safari on osx
[01:54:31] <julian> Chrome looks alright on OS X but I don't use it for privacy reasons.
[01:54:29] <SirFinkus> windows I go with chrome
[01:54:19] <chromas> and then run Internet Explorer
[01:54:17] <julian> Chrome does the same thing on Linux
[01:54:08] <SirFinkus> lol good one chromas
[01:54:06] <SirFinkus> but not quite
[01:54:03] <SirFinkus> it *almost* matches the system theme
[01:54:00] <chromas> use FirefoxOS
[01:53:47] <chromas> it doesn't have any of the things that make it speshul
[01:53:46] <SirFinkus> one thing that annoys me about FF is that it doesn't seem to fit in on any os I've used it on
[01:53:43] <julian> You could try Brave :^)
[01:53:16] <SirFinkus> not quite, does use the same layout engine
[01:53:03] <chromas> :'(
[01:52:57] <julian> Isn't Opera just Chrome now?
[01:52:33] <Bender> karma - opera: 1
[01:52:33] <chromas> opera++
[01:52:05] <SirFinkus> of course back in the dark days of firefox being the best browser, the other options were IE, netscape, and opera
[01:51:33] <chromas> I don't remember it being fastest, but it had extensions before the other big'uns
[01:51:32] <julian> They added a lot of crap but it can all be turned off, so it doesn't affect performance.
[01:51:30] <SirFinkus> that shit affected other browsers too
[01:51:11] <SirFinkus> firefox changed too
[01:50:57] <julian> I remember when it used to be *the* fast browser, and the sad thing is it wasn't FF that changed, websites did.
[01:50:43] <chromas> (also guffaw at joke)
[01:50:40] <SirFinkus> it never got that bad for me, I stopped using firefox ages ago
[01:50:27] <chromas> ooh, and put it in line with the sewage treatment plant. Shit in, facebook out
[01:50:19] <julian> Firefox is just painful to use without Noscript now because if you load a script heavy page--which is most of them now--you get locked up for a few seconds.
[01:49:51] <SirFinkus> idk, that seems like a pipe dream chromas
[01:49:31] <chromas> They should install data centers in small towns, and use the cooling system to generate hot water for the neighborhood
[01:49:27] <SirFinkus> yeah, they've been working on ruining firefox for ages now
[01:49:07] <julian> Firefox is becoming more and more unusable for me because of that crap. And without tab process separation it makes every other tab hang while it churns through all that needless js
[01:48:25] <SirFinkus> still annoying, but 60fps scrolling
[01:48:03] <SirFinkus> most of the bootstrap ones work perfectly
[01:48:00] <chromas> *butt
[01:47:52] <SirFinkus> *built
[01:47:47] <SirFinkus> a poorly build one too, laggy on my machine
[01:47:44] <chromas> fortunately I didn't have to load that part
[01:47:34] <SirFinkus> with video backgrounds
[01:47:26] <SirFinkus> it's one of those parallax scrolling sites that are all the rage these days
[01:47:00] <Bytram> No kidding!I'm guessing the textual content is 1-2KB but it pulled down over 10 MB before I killed the page trying to load.
[01:46:46] <chromas> instead of containers, they should build a SeaLab (2021) so they can have techs walking around
[01:46:43] <SirFinkus> just use a goddamn image
[01:46:14] <SirFinkus> why do they need a map widget in the first place?
[01:45:36] <chromas> I got to the map just now
[01:45:29] <chromas> I see what you mean
[01:45:06] <SirFinkus> they should require a click first on the map to enable the scroll to zoom shit
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[01:44:24] <SirFinkus> they're scrolling landmines
[01:44:15] <SirFinkus> goddamn maps in swebsites
[01:44:12] <chromas> the site loads really slow here. must be all that viscosity
[01:43:55] <SirFinkus> putting windows in an underwater capsule seems like a bad idea
[01:43:14] <SirFinkus> I was going to submit it, but it's just an advertisment for microsoft
[01:41:10] <shekel> ^ 03Project Natick
[01:41:10] <chromas> MS should be doing zeppelins
[01:41:10] <Bytram> http://www.projectnatick.com
[01:40:59] <SirFinkus> there we go
[01:40:54] <chromas> Shouldn't Digital Ocean be the one doing that?
[01:40:43] <SirFinkus> I think there's a "cloud computing" joke in there somewhere
[01:39:54] <shekel> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[01:39:53] <SirFinkus> http://www.nytimes.com lol nice advertisement MS
[01:33:54] <popefucker> o
[01:32:20] <Bytram> number of new nicks registered on the site each day so far this year
[01:32:19] <Bender> karma - graphs: 1
[01:32:19] <chromas> graphs++
[01:32:14] <chromas> Need it in graph form
[01:32:04] <swiss> Bytram: wut r u doin
[01:31:59] <swiss> what
[01:31:43] <Bytram> 2016-01-31 4
[01:31:39] <Bytram> 2016-01-30 4
[01:31:37] <Bytram> 2016-01-29 14
[01:31:35] <Bytram> 2016-01-28 1
[01:31:34] <popefucker> wat dis?
[01:31:33] <Bytram> 2016-01-27 1
[01:31:31] <Bytram> 2016-01-26 5
[01:31:29] <Bytram> 2016-01-24 4
[01:31:27] <Bytram> 2016-01-22 1
[01:31:25] <Bytram> 2016-01-21 2
[01:31:23] <Bytram> 2016-01-20 2
[01:31:21] <Bytram> 2016-01-19 1
[01:31:19] <Bytram> 2016-01-18 1
[01:31:17] <Bytram> 2016-01-16 1
[01:31:15] <Bytram> 2016-01-15 2
[01:31:13] <Bytram> 2016-01-14 2
[01:31:09] <Bytram> 2016-01-13 1
[01:31:07] <Bytram> 2016-01-12 2
[01:31:05] <Bytram> 2016-01-10 3
[01:31:03] <Bytram> 2016-01-09 1
[01:31:01] <Bytram> 2016-01-08 2
[01:31:00] <Bytram> 2016-01-07 5
[01:31:00] <Bytram> 2016-01-06 1
[01:31:00] <Bytram> 2016-01-05 1
[01:31:00] <Bytram> 2016-01-04 2
[01:31:00] <Bytram> 2016-01-01 1
[01:30:59] <Bytram> well, still better than it had been...
[01:27:49] <cmn32480> back to the slow climb :-)
[01:24:52] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6075, owned by Bokanovsky
[01:24:51] <Bytram> !uid
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[01:16:43] <chromas> ♪detachable cabin♪
[01:16:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why a Detachable Cabin Probably Won't Save Your Life in a Plane Crash - http://sylnt.us - needs-to-be-packaged-in-foam-rubber
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