#Soylent | Logs for 2015-02-26

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[00:20:16] <slash2phar> no pending stories
[00:26:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Eiffel Tower Renovation Includes Wind Turbines - http://sylnt.us - renewables-rock
[00:27:13] <mechanicjay> 20+ subs in the queue -- the nagger at the top goes away at that point.
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[01:03:14] <slash2phar> oh i see what you mean
[01:14:00] <slash2phar> is the target a new story every 90 mins?
[01:14:07] <mrcoolbp> yes, currently
[01:14:19] <mrcoolbp> though they will slow down if there are fewer stories to choose from
[01:14:24] <slash2phar> almost time for another now ?
[01:14:28] <mrcoolbp> (and at night, and on weekends)
[01:14:38] <mrcoolbp> slash2phar: lemme check
[01:14:51] <slash2phar> k
[01:15:24] <mrcoolbp> actually, there's nothing in the queue
[01:15:29] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[01:15:34] * mrcoolbp throws on editor hat
[01:15:43] <slash2phar> indeed
[01:15:54] <crutchy> ~queue
[01:16:12] <crutchy> pfft. 404 bot not found
[01:18:18] * mrcoolbp shouldn't be editing while this sleep-deprived but does anyway for the greater good
[01:20:36] <slash2phar> the fcc story would need to be queued before 9am if you're gonna use it
[01:20:59] <mrcoolbp> working on different one from a bit ago, lemme load that one up
[01:21:45] <mrcoolbp> oh that'll work, can fast-track too due to "breaking" nature of it
[01:22:07] <slash2phar> you could add a linkto it too from ars technica about the implications of title ii
[01:22:26] <slash2phar> http://arstechnica.com
[01:22:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Making the Internet a utility—what’s the worst that could happen? | Ars Technica
[01:22:44] <slash2phar> it's a rare impartial take on it
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[01:28:10] <SpallsHurgenson> so I go into the trash room to toss some garbage down the chute, and I see it sitting there on the floor by the door.
[01:28:18] <SpallsHurgenson> It's big and shiny and electric, but no way somebody would throw out something like that unless it was broken, so I leave
[01:28:24] <SpallsHurgenson> five minutes later, I'm back because, what the hell, you never know
[01:28:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I drag it back to my place, plug it in and SCORE!
[01:28:34] <SpallsHurgenson> free working 42" HDTV :)
[01:28:39] <mrcoolbp> slash2phar: workin' in the link too
[01:29:00] <slash2phar> cheers
[01:29:42] <slash2phar> a score indeed
[01:30:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, admittedly, it's not name-brand (SigMac? Never heard of 'em) and I still need a remote... but I'm not turning up my nose :)
[01:31:01] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: better check inside. It could have a cache of cash or drugs inside
[01:31:14] <slash2phar> where is this trash room?
[01:31:15] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question slash2phar
[01:31:35] <SpallsHurgenson> about 40' thataway <---
[01:32:19] * SpallsHurgenson shifts his monitor slightly to ensure the arrow is pointing in the correct direction
[01:32:39] <slash2phar> if you worked as a garbage guy for a few months you could probably assemble enough stock of working hardware to launch a decent ebay used hardware business
[01:33:03] <SpallsHurgenson> that garbage room has been quite good to me, I must admit :)
[01:33:35] <slash2phar> i dont have space
[01:34:07] <SpallsHurgenson> so I was thinking... if I put my two 42" monitors side by side, and then a 24" on the left and right... would that be overkill?
[01:35:45] <SpallsHurgenson> that would give me a 1920x6000 desktop :)
[01:36:37] <slash2phar> comparable to the latest smartphones hehe
[01:36:45] <mrcoolbp> slash2phar: no other editors to check my work so I'm gonna send it out in a few minutes
[01:37:11] <SpallsHurgenson> no... wait... I guess it would be 6000x1080?
[01:37:11] <slash2phar> nothing wrong with a lil dictatorship now and again mrcoolbp
[01:37:31] <mrcoolbp> "if all goes as hoped for and expexted" gonna take out the last two words of that line
[01:37:54] <slash2phar> yeah. thats a pretty partisan line anyway
[01:38:02] <mrcoolbp> agreed = )
[01:38:14] <slash2phar> lifted from the communists over at billmoyers
[01:38:50] <slash2phar> duno abotu hoped for, but it is widely expected
[01:39:01] * mrcoolbp clicks *save*
[01:39:21] <mrcoolbp> okay, outta my hands now, better throw one more in the queue for good measure before I gotta run off
[01:51:43] <SpallsHurgenson> no... wait... if I rotate the 24" monitors 90 degrees the long side (now the vertical) would have to be 1080... so the short (horizontal ) would be... erm... 607.5? is there a 1080x607.5 resolution? :)
[01:53:07] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, since when did anyone have to know math to use a computer?!?!? :)
[01:58:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Net Neutrality Vote Set For Thursday Morning - http://sylnt.us - series-of-tubes
[01:58:05] <mrcoolbp> slash2phar ^
[01:58:22] <mrcoolbp> Thanks for the scoop. Gotta run off, catch ya later
[01:59:55] <slash2phar> laters
[02:00:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I have suspect all the apparent sanity recently coming from the FCC was just a fake-out and they fully intended from the start to vote against net-neutrality.
[02:01:37] <SpallsHurgenson> just to mess with us :)
[02:08:05] <slash2phar> reclassification is useless anway unless they choose to enforce things with it
[02:10:43] <SpallsHurgenson> true. NN won't be enforced unless somebody first takes the issue to court... but I'm pretty sure companies like Netflix and Google aren't averse to a little litigation :)
[02:12:32] <SpallsHurgenson> and IIRC there was pretty good evidence that comcast was throttling netflix's traffic until they finally cried uncle
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[02:43:11] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, the website for the company that made my new garbage tv doesn't exist anymore... and apparently wasn't even around long enough to get into archive.org. That's inspiring :)
[02:44:08] <chromas> is the domain parked? Was it through godaddy?
[02:44:24] <SpallsHurgenson> 404d :)
[02:46:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I was hoping to get a replacement remote... or at the very least the remote codes so I can use a universal
[02:46:10] <juggs> perhaps they had a robots.txt preventing archive.org - they do respect that
[02:46:45] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but based on the lack of info about the company and its products I'm leaning more towards the "fly by night" operation theory :)
[02:47:20] <juggs> sell 'em cheap, cash out and close up before the warranty claims bite :D
[02:47:33] <SpallsHurgenson> that's what I figure
[02:47:46] <SpallsHurgenson> probably is spraying out liquid mercury into the room :)
[02:48:55] <SpallsHurgenson> typical chinese crap. a proper American TV would spray out lead vapor :)
[02:58:53] * SpallsHurgenson wipes away more plaster powder
[03:01:19] <juggs> did the powder kill the TV?
[03:01:44] <SpallsHurgenson> no, the hired goons were sanding down the ceiling and the stuff got EVERYWHERE
[03:03:37] <SpallsHurgenson> once all the construction and painting are done, me, my computers and box of compressed air cans are going to have a party
[03:04:09] <juggs> yah - can't really prevent that with plaster dust, it's super fine - seems to have a life of it's own, laughing merrily as it floats past your puny plastic sheet and tape construction :D
[03:04:15] <juggs> its
[03:04:35] <juggs> effin apostrophe demon has possessed me!
[03:04:44] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, I'm not holding it TOO much against the goons, although they generally could have been a bit neater and cleaner
[03:05:47] <slash2phar> duster cans. pfft. 2 stage 3 phase compressor and 80 gallon receiver frw
[03:05:49] <slash2phar> ftw
[03:06:48] <SpallsHurgenson> ain't got one of those. do got a box of canned air. canned air wins :)
[03:07:08] <slash2phar> granted the cans are a bit lighter
[03:07:24] <slash2phar> <350 kg
[03:07:51] <SpallsHurgenson> and honestly, it seems as if the PCs escaped most of the dust. the shelves, the tables, the windows, the carpet on te other hand...
[03:08:50] <slash2phar> yeah.. construction materials dust should never be underestimated
[03:09:50] <SpallsHurgenson> the goons only started using a floor tarp and plastic to cover up my stuff after I yelled at them for not doing so on the first day of construction
[03:10:10] <slash2phar> they really should have powered extraction going too
[03:11:00] <slash2phar> that type of dust clogs up vacuum cleaner filters rapidly too
[03:11:02] <SpallsHurgenson> while it seems they are technically apt, I get the feeling they aren't really qualified for doing repairs in an occupied house. they seem to be more construction goons
[03:12:51] <juggs> slash2phar, good point - the HEPA filters in the typical domestic filters ~really~ do not appreciate plaster dust. They log almost instantly - then the motor dies a horrible overheaty death.
[03:13:09] <juggs> typical domestic vacuums* I meant to say
[03:13:18] <juggs> and... clog*
[03:13:25] <slash2phar> yeah. hence shop vacs
[03:13:26] * juggs stops typing
[03:13:30] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, I have other goons to tell me whether my worker goons have done a good job or not :)
[03:13:46] <slash2phar> even those are not great.. really you need industrial 'dust collectors'
[03:13:49] * SpallsHurgenson collects goons the way he collects computers; you can never have too many :)
[03:14:10] <slash2phar> sounds like you have a bit of a Goon Show there
[03:16:55] <SpallsHurgenson> Ceiling goons say they'll be done tomorrow; then I just need a painter to slap a few coats on the whole room.
[03:17:43] <SpallsHurgenson> (I'd do it, but I'd rather spend a hundred bucks or so to have someone else do the work... plus they'll do it more professionally than me to boot)
[03:18:32] <SpallsHurgenson> and once all that is done, I just rearrange all the furniture, clean the shit out of everything and then the mancave will be officially open for business again :)
[03:19:28] <slash2phar> ah so you do live in your mom's basement
[03:19:30] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: I have seen some pro painters an I know I can do a better job than most of them
[03:20:08] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I tend to leave bubbles and brush hairs, especially since I'd probably be doing it after work when I'm tired
[03:20:21] <SpallsHurgenson> and one of my goons is a really good painter :)
[03:20:30] <slash2phar> generally 'professional' means delivering the minimum acceptable work to get paid as quickly as possible
[03:20:46] <SpallsHurgenson> nah, this goon is good. pricey, but good :)
[03:20:50] <paulej72> they like to do a 10 foot job. looks good from 10 feet but not so close up
[03:20:58] <slash2phar> pro painters mostly use sprayers
[03:21:58] <SpallsHurgenson> no idea what my goon uses. But he goes above and beyond and I've never a complaint about his work.
[03:22:04] <SpallsHurgenson> his price, yeah, but not his work :)
[03:24:04] <slash2phar> "A goon is a personal bodyguard or a thug or ruffian employed by a person(s) as a personal enforcer. A goon typically intimidates, assaults, or batters people who oppose their employer"
[03:24:38] <SpallsHurgenson> but hey, I just saved $400 by getting a free HDTV so from a certain point of view Im coing out ahead :)
[03:25:29] <paulej72> it will cost you untold hours trying to get a remote to work with it
[03:26:01] <SpallsHurgenson> heh
[03:26:41] <paulej72> probably has codes that were cobbled together from hundreds of remote standards
[03:27:48] <SpallsHurgenson> all I need is Power On/Off, Source, and VOL+/-. The rest of the buttons aren't gonna be used
[03:28:01] <chromas> Why use one standard when you can use them all?
[03:28:21] <SpallsHurgenson> (oh, maybe the navigational arrows, enter and setup so I can manipulate the menus)
[03:28:57] <SpallsHurgenson> but its not like I'm gonna watch TV or anything. I mean, who watches TV anymore?
[03:29:14] * SpallsHurgenson waits for somebody to post the requisite Onion link...
[03:30:00] <juggs> the "brush hair" problem is pretty much always either a. really poor quality brushes or b. new brushes. Majority of diy'ers buy some brushes to do a task - the loose bristles end up in the paint, then they fail to clean them properly and end up buying new again next time around... kinda causes a loop of brush hairs in the paint. Professional paint slappers buy better brushes and know how to look after them - and also know that new brushes ~will~ sh
[03:30:00] <juggs> ed and prepare accordingly. :D
[03:30:52] <juggs> perhaps that should have beed Good professional paint slappers*
[03:30:57] * SpallsHurgenson just hires goons and lets them worry about the details. Life is too short to worry about shit like that :)
[03:31:03] <juggs> aye
[03:31:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, my time is too valuable to be spent painting. I need to be here on IRC :)
[03:31:42] <paulej72> I never get brush hairs as I buy only good ones when I need to, but usually have what I need already.
[03:32:00] <slash2phar> it's worth doing these things once to fully understand it
[03:32:01] <juggs> Unless you enjoy doing it. I have a friend how enjoys tiling... I cannot for the life of me understand that.
[03:32:22] <juggs> paulej72, so you eliminate yourself for the typical diy'er pool then :D
[03:32:42] <SpallsHurgenson> I knew this guy who spent his time PROGRAMMING COMPUTERS, can you believe that? Pure insanity :)
[03:33:11] <chromas> hah! what a nerd!
[03:33:12] <juggs> Did he enjoy it or was he working on slashcode?
[03:33:30] <SpallsHurgenson> don't be silly; NOBODY enjoys working on slashcode :)
[03:34:28] <slash2phar> time to call another BBS
[03:34:48] <SpallsHurgenson> somedays I miss the old BBS days
[03:35:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think any of my PCs even have modems installed anymore :-/
[03:35:22] <slash2phar> they're all on telnet
[03:35:33] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, that's not the same
[03:35:36] <paulej72> yep I'm a masochist
[03:35:42] <slash2phar> build yourself a copy of SyncTerm and ou can simulate whatever baud rate you want
[03:36:12] <slash2phar> i have an old dell notebook here with a modem. I was able to call a few modem systems currently online.
[03:36:25] <slash2phar> via a VOIP phone line granted.. but close enough
[03:37:27] <paulej72> I think we got rid of our modem pool at work in 2006
[03:38:00] <paulej72> or might have been earlier
[03:39:32] <slash2phar> POTS lines days are numbered in mich
[03:42:15] <SpallsHurgenson> speaking of which
[03:42:16] <SpallsHurgenson> http://arstechnica.com
[03:42:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Verizon will fix your landline in a month—or give you wireless right now | Ars Technica
[03:53:20] <SpallsHurgenson> while I'm at it, a few more links (submit these to soylent and bask in the free karma! Consider this my gift to you!)
[03:53:34] <SpallsHurgenson> http://news.softpedia.com
[03:53:35] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Comodo’s PrivDog Breaks HTTPS Security Possibly Worse than Superfish - Softpedia
[03:54:26] <SpallsHurgenson> http://newsroom.intel.com because there's nothing I want more than firmware of devices connecting to the internet to be pushed through development rapidly
[03:54:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03No Programming Experience Necessary - Intel Announces New Internet of Things Tool
[03:55:03] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.zdnet.com first world problems?
[03:55:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Only 40 percent of the global population has ever connected to the internet: report | ZDNet
[03:55:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (I'm done :)
[03:56:42] <juggs> One day you'll submit something yourself :P
[03:57:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I did, once
[03:57:13] <juggs> What happened to crutchy's submit from IRC?
[03:57:16] <SpallsHurgenson> but I don't think I can take that sort of rejection a second time
[03:57:20] <juggs> Oh... bot 404
[03:58:10] <SpallsHurgenson> now I just find stuff I think is interesting and let other people risk their sanity and ego :)
[03:58:33] <juggs> The more you submit the better the ration becomes :D And I'm sure the editors just love getting submissions that consist of nothing more than a url :D
[03:58:42] <juggs> ratio*
[03:59:30] <SpallsHurgenson> no, no; I spent weeks curled up in a fetal position after they rejected my last submission
[04:00:37] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[04:00:47] * SpallsHurgenson counts teeth
[04:00:54] <paulej72> good morning TheMightyBuzzard
[04:01:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, thas a very bout to go to sleep yawn
[04:02:03] <SpallsHurgenson> 347 teeth. I don't think TMB is completely human.
[04:02:12] <paulej72> then why did you pop on here
[04:02:28] <SpallsHurgenson> he probably came in just to reject my story!
[04:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> few minutes of wind down
[04:02:38] * SpallsHurgenson curls into the fetal position in prepartion
[04:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, yep. if it's the privdog one we ran it earlier this week.
[04:03:01] <SpallsHurgenson> <whimper>
[04:04:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, managed dinner and it's still where it's sposed to be four hours later
[04:04:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to call the sick over
[04:04:35] <SpallsHurgenson> those sound like famous last words
[04:05:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i fully intend my last words to be "well shit"
[04:08:09] <paulej72> mine will be "oh fuck"
[04:08:59] <SpallsHurgenson> mine will be, "whaddaya mean the universe is ending? I'm not done yet!"
[04:13:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't decide if i want to die fighting off a thousand ninjas or be trampled to death by a random elephant stampede while doing identical triplet cheerleaders.
[04:13:50] <chromas> why not both?
[04:13:56] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe tje ninjas will be riding the elephant
[04:14:20] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: s/(riding)/'\1'/
[04:14:20] <sedctl> <chromas> <SpallsHurgenson> maybe tje ninjas will be 'riding' the elephant
[04:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> logistics. one cheerleader i could manage while fighting ninjas but three would be too many to pay proper attention to.
[04:16:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that'll do. bed for me.
[04:16:51] <SpallsHurgenson> "when I die, I want to go like my grandpa did, peacefully in his sleep, and not like grandma, clawing at the dashboard"
[04:17:01] <paulej72> to die of a heart attack mid coitus
[04:17:27] <paulej72> not sure that is kind to the lady
[04:18:08] <chromas> she inherits an extensive collection of old hardware
[04:18:19] * SpallsHurgenson gives kitty a (closed) bag of treats and lets her try to figure it out
[04:21:26] * juggs waits for death to all humans response from kitty
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[04:25:16] <chromas> now that's a fatal exception
[04:26:37] <paulej72> bed for me as well
[04:29:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Net Neutrality Vote Set for Thursday Morning - http://sylnt.us - series-of-tubes || The Sorry State of E911 Services. - http://sylnt.us - who-you-gonna-call-now
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[06:31:43] <crutchy> ~queue
[06:31:47] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 18 - http://sylnt.us
[06:32:14] <crutchy> ~weather
[06:32:18] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 23°C, mostly sunny, wind S at 19 km/h, humidity 57% - Thursday partly cloudy (15°C-24°C), Friday partly cloudy (15°C-24°C), Saturday partly cloudy (16°C-35°C), Sunday scattered showers (11°C-22°C)
[06:32:45] <arti> ~weather 92626
[06:32:48] <exec> 03Costa Mesa, CA 92626, USA - currently 60°F / 16°C, clear, wind SE at 5 mph, humidity 72% - Wednesday clear (53°F-71°F / 12°C-22°C), Thursday sunny (55°F-68°F / 13°C-20°C), Friday partly cloudy (57°F-67°F / 14°C-19°C), Saturday showers (51°F-64°F / 11°C-18°C)
[06:39:16] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $1,921 to $1,978
[06:41:19] <arti> http://antiartificial.com
[06:41:19] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03#Soylent stats: 21.2.2015!
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[07:04:51] <crutchy> xlefay hasn't been around for months and he's still #14 :p
[07:05:24] <crutchy> he was a yapper
[07:07:19] <SirFinkus> I love my quote
[07:07:23] <SirFinkus> ""I missed a coprophilia discussion?"
[07:07:56] <JamesNZ> ~define coprophilia
[07:07:58] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03coprophilia: An obsessive interest in feces.
[07:08:13] <JamesNZ> I'm glad I missed that :D
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[07:09:28] <crutchy> it was probably during discussion about french cuisine
[07:10:21] <crutchy> eating snails and mouldy cheese and fungus that looks like dog crap
[07:25:04] <arti> these are indeed good stats
[07:25:12] <arti> well done everyone
[07:32:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Ordinary Email User Tries to Fix Email Clients - http://sylnt.us - Welcome-you've-got-mail
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[08:01:38] <crutchy> wtf is touche anyway?
[08:01:42] <crutchy> ~define touche
[08:01:43] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03touche: an expression borrowed from French used 1)to admit that an opponent in an argument has made a good point 2)when someone has said a good comeback line 3)to concede a point to an opponent when fencing
[08:07:31] <crutchy> ooh i just modded 'touche'. /me feels so touche
[08:38:47] <crutchy> http://lowres.cartoonstock.com
[08:39:14] <crutchy> things would get *real* interesting if russia actually tried that
[08:39:46] <Subsentient> crutchy: Two words on that image, "Penis Envy"
[08:40:31] <crutchy> that's pretty much the definition of politics
[08:41:44] <crutchy> hypothetically, russia trying to "re-take" alaska could trigger nuclear war
[08:42:00] <crutchy> hopefully it stays hypothetical
[08:42:27] <chromas> we'll just give it back to the natives and let them fight russia
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[08:44:55] <crutchy> lately it seems like politicians are bored and itching for another world war. but how to start one without taking all the blame...
[08:53:35] <crutchy> http://media.cagle.com
[08:53:54] <crutchy> i'm prolly more republican leaning than democrat, but this is still funny
[08:54:02] <crutchy> actually they both suck
[08:54:27] <crutchy> but at least republicans have rand paul
[08:59:24] <crutchy> lol http://api.theweek.com
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[09:33:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ACLU Reveals Greater Extent of FBI and Law Enforcement "Stingray" Use - http://sylnt.us - trust-no-one
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[09:48:47] <prospectacle> greetings
[09:49:39] <SirFinkus> hello prospectacle
[09:49:40] <ciri> hello, whats up SirFinkus
[09:49:52] <SirFinkus> stfu ciri
[09:50:36] <SirFinkus> so curiously, AFP works almost flawlessly
[09:50:47] <SirFinkus> for my media streaming
[09:51:23] <prospectacle> interesting
[09:51:35] <SirFinkus> yeah, go figure
[09:51:59] <prospectacle> I suspect it's either chunk size, or samba creates a temp file and doesn't create the real file until the whole thing is copied
[09:52:40] <prospectacle> as you said, it copies fast enough that it *should* be able to stream, so it must not copy each chunk to the file directly, or else the chunks are massive
[09:52:50] <prospectacle> anyway, glad it's working
[09:52:53] <SirFinkus> it's odd because Apple switched over to SMB recently
[09:53:08] <prospectacle> what are you streaming in celebration?
[09:54:29] <SirFinkus> nothing at the moment, I'm playing with other things
[09:54:45] <SirFinkus> the computer really is dog slow
[09:54:58] <SirFinkus> I've been launching firefox for about 5 minutes now
[09:55:10] <prospectacle> lol
[09:55:43] <prospectacle> microsoft's law: software gets half as fast - due to bloat - every 18 months.
[09:55:47] <SirFinkus> the ui just finished drawing, waiting on it to load about:blank
[09:56:43] <prospectacle> i bet if you ran firefox three on there it would be up like lightning
[09:57:12] <SirFinkus> I doubt it, shits really really slow
[09:57:18] <SirFinkus> ubuntu was a mistake
[09:58:10] <chromas> on my netbook, opera worked the best. I could open a bunch of tabs and it still worked. firefox would mostly sit around masturbating
[09:59:08] <chromas> also, flash videos played like shit, but open in vlc and it's smooth, even though it's the exact same codec
[09:59:28] <prospectacle> yeah, I love firefox but I don't love how memory and processor efficient it isn't
[09:59:44] <SirFinkus> well, flash is pretty garbage
[10:00:11] <SirFinkus> I'm trying to close an "unresponsive script" window atm
[10:05:07] <prospectacle> do you think it would be fun to play a game where you have to beat the clock to find the right items in the right order (red key to open red door, to get the invincibility potion to cross the lava, to get the golden key to finish the level) would be fun, or would you also need bad guys?
[10:07:48] <chromas> sure. there's a ton of games without bad guys
[10:07:57] <SirFinkus> is that chips challenge?
[10:08:03] <chromas> there's over 9,000 escape-the-room games alone
[10:08:14] <SirFinkus> it has bad guys, but they're more environmental challenges
[10:08:21] <SirFinkus> BUMMER
[10:09:14] <prospectacle> chromas, good point
[10:10:01] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[10:10:02] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Let's Play Chip's Challenge - 01: Lessons Learned - YouTube
[10:10:35] <prospectacle> i like maze-ish games, not actual mazes, but, like, discovering what's in the world you're in, what's over here, what's through this door. I'm trying to think of a way to add purpose or narrative to such a game. Maybe the keys, etc, (I believe it's called and inventory puzzle) would work.
[10:11:53] <prospectacle> yeah chip's challenge looks like the kind of thing I'm thinking of.
[10:12:14] <prospectacle> I was thinking you could have houses within houses to fuck with people's minds a bit. The house could be bigger on the inside than the house that contains it.
[10:12:26] <prospectacle> Maybe you have to go two or three levels deep to find one of the keys then remember where the door was
[10:17:21] <Subsentient> Is it just me or are most other IRC servers besides freenode filled with more creeps than anything elsE?
[10:17:47] * SirFinkus shrugs
[10:18:03] <SirFinkus> surely you don't mean irc.soylentnews.org!?
[10:18:07] <Subsentient> Nope
[10:18:10] <Subsentient> Try efnet
[10:18:15] <Subsentient> just poked around there for fun.
[10:18:56] <Subsentient> Weird people.
[10:19:10] <chromas> sounds like we might fit in
[10:21:19] <crutchy> maybe is should infect efnet with an exec minion and relay ciri messages to it :D
[10:21:26] <crutchy> s/is/i/
[10:21:26] <sedctl> <crutchy> maybe i should infect efnet with an exec minion and relay ciri messages to it :D
[10:21:53] <Subsentient> crutchy: I fired up an aqu4bot there just a little bit ago. I'm at least pleased that she ran fine on EFNet.
[10:23:35] <crutchy> anyone here got any idea what AF04FB9290474265 means?
[10:23:52] <prospectacle> looks like a default wifi key
[10:24:02] <crutchy> i'm sure its a secret code for the end of the world or summin
[10:24:10] <crutchy> haha
[10:24:30] <crutchy> or half a sha1
[10:24:34] <prospectacle> it might be hexadecimal. conver each pair to a byte and see if it spells something
[10:24:37] <prospectacle> where did you get it?
[10:24:38] <ciri> somewhere out on the WEB i guess prospectacle
[10:24:49] <prospectacle> ciri--
[10:24:49] <Bender> karma - ciri: -37
[10:25:27] <crutchy> burned :D
[10:27:39] <crutchy> doesn't mean much in utf-8
[10:27:41] <crutchy> ¯¯ûGBe
[10:27:44] <prospectacle> "50 shades of gray the classical album" this is not a parody I just saw it on tv. Classical music to get you in the mood for some bdsm I guess.
[10:28:01] <crutchy> maybe its for old fart
[10:28:13] <crutchy> 50 shades of grey hair
[10:29:10] <prospectacle> If you want to make anything mainstream you just have to write a suffciently popular novel about it. Hobbits, bondage, killing sharks
[10:29:40] <prospectacle> then the merchandising will take care of the rest, a film based on the novel being the first and most important step
[10:29:53] <crutchy> hobbits riding sharks killing james bond
[10:31:03] <prospectacle> so I guess what I'm saying is we better write a novel about people who never vote for the main two parties.
[10:31:15] <prospectacle> then it will become mainstream, and the world will be a better place. and we'll be rich
[10:31:47] <chromas> yeah but those other things became popular because people were already doing it
[10:32:06] <chromas> people were doing bondage. people were doing hobbits
[10:32:20] <chromas> hobbits were doing sharks
[10:32:38] <crutchy> i think to get rich you gotta join one of the two parties, after leaving your morals at the door of course, and then get some of that helicopter monies :p
[10:32:50] <prospectacle> lol
[10:32:50] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[10:33:01] <prospectacle> ciri--
[10:33:01] <Bender> karma - ciri: -38
[10:33:02] <prospectacle> lol
[10:33:54] <crutchy> people doing hobbits has been mainstream in europe for centuries. they're into really creepy shit now
[10:34:09] <crutchy> and japan. well, lets not go there
[10:34:28] <chromas> well, either that, or let's do
[10:34:42] <crutchy> they love their seafood
[10:35:01] <crutchy> marinated
[10:35:11] <crutchy> in.... places
[10:35:28] <chromas> why not? we use cucumbers and corn cobs
[10:35:59] <crutchy> ribbed eh
[10:36:54] <chromas> it comes out shellacked
[10:37:08] <prospectacle> Maybe a novel about soeone who subscribes to SN after posting under a free account for years. As soon as he's subscribed the secret society of subscibers contact him and he enters a world of privilege and power and is given technology decades beyond what most people have.
[10:37:31] <prospectacle> then something something, saves the world, wins the affectiions of the romantic interest, etc
[10:37:38] <chromas> sounds plausible
[10:37:52] <prospectacle> well it's largely autobiographical
[10:38:30] <crutchy> and we get red gowns and get to drive through secret tunnels
[10:38:39] <prospectacle> yes!
[10:39:17] <prospectacle> and we refer to each other by our membership number
[10:39:47] <crutchy> and we shall call ourselves the Stonecutters
[10:39:54] <crutchy> oops i mean Soylentcutters
[10:40:19] <crutchy> and the first rule of Soylentcutters will be to not talk about Soylentcutters
[10:40:47] <prospectacle> the stn cutters, short for SoylenT News and we cut through to the truth of the matter, or whatever
[10:41:00] <prospectacle> the second rule of soylentcutters is we have to recruit as many people as possible
[10:41:03] <prospectacle> it's a tough gig
[10:42:07] <swiss> HELL YEAH
[10:42:10] <crutchy> the third rule is fuck beta!
[10:42:12] <swiss> got my ncurses house control working
[10:42:29] <crutchy> and the fourth is tama lama ding dong!
[10:42:57] <crutchy> and the fifth is vibrating rooster sammich
[10:43:47] <swiss> https://github.com
[10:43:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SwissKid/insteon-python · GitHub
[10:43:54] <prospectacle> cool what can it do, swiss?
[10:45:58] <swiss> if you have insteon in your house, and you get an insteon developer key, you can control your lights with the ncurses ui i built
[10:46:10] <swiss> or you can use my rudimentary functions to build your own programs to control them!
[10:46:27] <prospectacle> I'm not sure if I have one of those, let me see
[10:46:36] <prospectacle> insteon: loungeroom light - off
[10:46:40] <prospectacle> nope
[10:46:54] <chromas> needs an irc interface :)
[10:47:03] <swiss> chromas: eventually
[10:47:11] <swiss> that's a horrid idea, so i might just do it
[11:09:05] <prospectacle> stupid firefox says it's waiting for some other website, in another tab, so the status message obscures the typing prompt of this irc window
[11:09:18] <prospectacle> great design firefox
[11:20:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:20:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1125
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[11:35:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why 40-Year-Old Tech is Still Running America’s Air Traffic Control - http://sylnt.us - pushing-tin
[11:40:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty, got the api working again
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[12:03:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[12:03:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5110, owned by deadstick
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[12:08:01] <ar> https://twitter.com - haha
[12:08:02] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Luke Sandell on Twitter: "@filip_woj https://t.co"
[12:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i can relate to that
[12:21:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.techdirt.com
[12:21:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Nvidia Actually Listens To Its Customers, Will Again Let Them Use The Expensive Hardware They Own As They See Fit | Techdirt
[12:23:32] <SirFinkus> how charitable
[12:23:32] <ciri> doing great here
[12:23:58] <SirFinkus> unfortunately
[12:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go, subbed as well
[12:32:55] * TheMightyBuzzard shuffles through the texas sand while his head's in mississippi
[13:06:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gemalto Says Reports of its Hack by the NSA and GCHQ were Greatly Exaggerated. - http://sylnt.us - what-else-would-they-say
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[13:29:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin janrinok
[13:29:42] <janrinok> afternoon TMB - sup?
[13:30:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nothin much. pondering working on the api some. be nice to have polls working on it.
[13:30:39] <janrinok> are you feeling better?
[13:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, appear to be all good now.
[13:30:54] <janrinok> good to hear
[13:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> devtest is working far as i know, feel free to find bugs on it though
[13:32:20] <janrinok> ok - I've been learning from bytram - I'll try to break it
[13:32:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no rush, i don't really wanna work on it right now ;P
[13:33:39] <janrinok> k
[13:53:07] <Subsentient> So I just figured out my cat likes corn tostada shells.
[13:53:44] <Subsentient> She came up on the couch and stuck her nose in the bag I was eating like tortilla chips, so I said why not, and she ate probably half a chip worth of little pieces I broke off for her.
[13:53:50] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: bytram taught me well. I still cannot input European keyboard symbols
[13:53:55] <janrinok> hi Subsentient
[13:54:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> in comments or on articles?
[13:54:21] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: I get a server error when I try to submit a story containing those characters
[13:54:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[13:54:50] <janrinok> but take a rest, it doesn't have to be done _now_
[13:55:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like the same bug i fixed on editing one
[13:55:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> just in a different place
[13:55:27] <janrinok> quote: The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request
[13:55:46] <janrinok> it also occurs when I try to preview the submission
[13:56:35] <janrinok> Subsentient: any news on your joining the Ed team?
[13:56:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, encode is getting called somewheres
[13:56:53] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yes, I can proceed when someone has time.
[13:57:42] <paulej72> we had to put in a bunch of extra endodes because of mod_perl issues
[13:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> we did? i been having to take them out.
[13:58:39] <janrinok> no time like the present Subsentient - prolly best that we work on the old test system dev.soylentnews.org
[13:58:51] <Subsentient> janrinok: Alright.
[13:59:08] <paulej72> I think I remeber one in submit.pl
[13:59:15] <janrinok> do you already have access to that system?
[13:59:20] <Subsentient> janrinok: Yes
[13:59:32] <janrinok> switch to #editorial
[13:59:36] <Subsentient> janrinok: Somehow, I like "Dev.SN is dead developers" better than "soylent news is people"
[13:59:50] <janrinok> lol
[13:59:50] <ciri> lol that's funny!
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[14:00:17] <paulej72> I was getting confused on what server I was on, so I had to change the slogan to something distinctive
[14:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[14:02:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to be fuuuun chasing down that wayward encode
[14:04:59] <paulej72> grep
[14:07:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of em in the codebase, finding the right one gonna be a pain
[14:37:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japan Getting an Anonymous Whistleblowing Platform. - http://sylnt.us
[15:07:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japan Getting an Anonymous Whistleblowing Platform - http://sylnt.us
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[15:30:42] <slash2phar> well.. the fcc meeting is starting
[15:30:54] <slash2phar> http://www.fcc.gov
[15:30:56] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Live | FCC.gov
[15:31:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good, now to see whether my side wins cause i'm a libertarian or my side wins because i'm a tech geek.
[15:31:39] <slash2phar> they def need to smackdown the state bans on municipal broadband
[15:32:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> minor issue there. what they really need to do is outlaw exclusive laws or deals creating monopolies. bonus points if they can figure out how to encourage or require competition.
[15:34:02] <slash2phar> the cronies got a law passed in michigan in 2004 that basically says 'citizens of a city do not have the right to set up their own broadband unless they let three private providers turn it down first'
[15:34:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i want wal-mart level cheap options as well as saks 5th ave options on my net connection.
[15:35:21] <slash2phar> currently in little ole Ireland.. that was still on dial-up internet in 2002.. you have a choice of fiber/ cable / wimax providers giving around $40/month for 100-240mbps service
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[15:35:51] <slash2phar> the budget entry level cable offering is 60 mbps
[15:36:31] <slash2phar> meanwhile here is the USA, $60/month for 25mbps comcast
[15:36:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be awesome. i have a choice between 18Mb from AT&T or nothing in broadband.
[15:37:21] <slash2phar> the reason ireland has all that now is cos the govt built out metro fiber and forced backhaul unbundling and competition
[15:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm bout to move to a place with like 50-70Mbps for about that price, happened cause there's several competing isps there.
[15:39:58] <slash2phar> i like what they're saying at the moment (fcc )
[15:40:44] <slash2phar> bombshell 1 just dropped
[15:41:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not watching, yackin with NCommander and paulej72 bout proposals for the next moderation RFC
[15:42:05] <paulej72> talk about runon setences
[15:44:21] <NCommander> I don't really have much energy to edit TheMightyBuzzard's post
[15:45:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> save it till ya do, it's not like there's a rush.
[15:46:51] <slash2phar> the city here has its own internet. comcast free zone
[15:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> comcast ain't bad if there's alternatives
[15:47:27] <slash2phar> thats the point..
[15:47:41] <slash2phar> comcast should never be allowed in unless they have to compete
[15:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody should really. or should be regulated until there's competition.
[15:48:40] <slash2phar> yeah. as 95% profit margin shows
[15:48:44] <slash2phar> 97%
[15:49:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> profit margin's irrelevant. good value for good price is what's relevant. how rich it makes them is up to how efficient they are.
[15:50:18] <paulej72> very efficiet as they never fix anything
[15:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> they could make 250% profit and if it gave me a good connection for a reasonable price i'd say let em have at it.
[15:50:48] <slash2phar> well obviously though in a free market they wouldnt be making that
[15:51:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not, no. competition tends to drive down margins cause more customers at a slightly lower margin means more money.
[15:51:52] <slash2phar> the sickest part is no only do they rent seek to the max, they also spent the money on pushing every avenue to prohibit all competition via law
[15:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, that second part really chaps my ass.
[15:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> as a good capitalist, i HATE monopolies and anti-competition legislation.
[15:53:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> getting help from the referees is cheating
[15:53:33] <slash2phar> pure capitalism would imply doing whatever it takes to maximize profit, including buying off the govt
[15:53:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be pure capitalism but it's not pure government
[15:54:33] <paulej72> why am i listening to these talking heads
[15:54:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> because you are a very silly person?
[15:54:52] <paulej72> masochistic
[15:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm waiting on the SN story.
[15:56:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> that or you're one of the types who still shakes his christmas presents.
[15:56:04] <paulej72> wonder how may politicans really believe what they spew when giving a speach
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[15:56:19] <Pinche_Chingon> Hello everybody!
[15:56:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, it's all about the benjamins.
[15:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[15:56:30] <nick> paulej72, they believe it's the best thing to say at the time
[15:56:32] <slash2phar> its an interesting q whether one city with their municipal broadband should be banned from selling it on to neighboring cities
[15:56:39] <nick> what believing the actual words are not their decision to make
[15:56:43] <nick> that is for the party to decide
[15:57:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash2phar, is not. anyone who wants to compete should be encouraged to.
[15:57:19] <nick> and i'm pretty sure a lot of it falls into the 'you cant handle the truth' category
[15:58:43] <slash2phar> its such BS. if one city wants to provide services to another that wants to buy it, of course it should be able to
[15:59:12] <nick> and they are free to, if they comply with the second cities regulation, which might be an impossible barrier in reality
[15:59:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> bingo. competition yay. long as they remain accountable to their shareholders, the voters.
[15:59:21] <nick> but there are processes they can go through
[15:59:51] <slash2phar> in chattanooga they want to sell to the neighbor city cos comcast etc is refusing to supply service to the neighbor city
[15:59:55] <nick> same as how companies write job listings in an impossible way
[16:00:00] <nick> so they can hire immigrant workers for cheaper
[16:00:18] <nick> the job is open to anyone, just written in such a way only the desired candidate wins it
[16:00:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and?
[16:00:37] <nick> its not their problem you cant meet their specifications
[16:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you spect em to hire someone undesirable?
[16:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is contrary to the very nature of sane hiring practices.
[16:01:16] <nick> no, but the point is they could hire someone desirable, but why would they when they can get cheaper foreign labour
[16:01:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you charge too much, you're not desirable.
[16:01:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nationality is irrelevant
[16:02:01] <slash2phar> so this cable industry stooge is telling the FCC they dont have the authority to override the state laws they got their paid-off politicians to pass
[16:02:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean i certainly use that practice in my life. not gonna pay $3 for gas when the station down the street sells it for $2.09.
[16:02:30] <slash2phar> will be interesting to see what the commiss says back to that
[16:02:32] <paulej72> yeppers slash2phar
[16:02:32] <nick> nationality is indeed irrelevant, or should be
[16:03:08] <slash2phar> and now we here from an FCC-hatin' FCC commissioner
[16:03:11] <slash2phar> hear
[16:03:21] <nick> but it doesn't work that way really, depends where you are, but the global free market means we can ship manual labourers in from china for next to nothing and then ship them back when they're done
[16:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should story this up and put a link to the youtube of the whole thing when it's over.
[16:03:56] <slash2phar> lol. this guy is something else
[16:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, and generally that's a good thing. raises china's economy so that things like that become less possible.
[16:04:04] <slash2phar> comcast monopoly is darn close to fascism
[16:04:13] <paulej72> IF THERE'S A MARKET NEED, AN
[16:04:13] <paulej72> INDIVIDUAL WITH A DREAM AND A
[16:04:13] <paulej72> PROPENSITY FOR RISK WILL ENTER
[16:04:13] <paulej72> TO PROVIDE SERVICE.
[16:04:13] <paulej72> IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S ROLE
[16:04:14] <paulej72> TO OFFER SERVICES INSTEAD OF OR
[16:04:16] <paulej72> IN COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE
[16:04:18] <paulej72> ACTORS.
[16:04:43] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, true, but it's a long painful road getting there.
[16:04:44] <paulej72> what bull shit
[16:04:53] <nick> I'm just bitter having to compete in the free market with liars, cheats and thieves
[16:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. i'm a long term guy though.
[16:05:09] <slash2phar> he says, after 20 years of private monopolies
[16:05:12] <Pinche_Chingon> Nick, I agree with you.
[16:05:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, not a big fan of em myself.
[16:05:40] <paulej72> goverment issued and approved monopolies
[16:06:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm quite randian myself and cheating is as wrong by her philosophy as wealth redistribution. taking what you have not earned is verboten no matter the form.
[16:06:21] <slash2phar> The guys with the dreams wanting to take risks tried to get in through LLU.. ma bell eventually wiped that out
[16:06:28] <nick> Pinche_Chingon, thank you. I like to live in the world of ideals, but in the real world
[16:06:51] <nick> the free market exists as much as you want it to, and the people who lie seem to be the winners more often than not
[16:07:05] <nick> and it's only after theyve won do the people they ripped off go "well, that was a mistake."
[16:07:11] <slash2phar> they should zoom in on this guy.. it's hard to see the price on his head
[16:07:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why we need emperor buzzard. off with their heads.
[16:07:28] <nick> but it doesn't change much of anything, because they get duped the same way next time.
[16:07:31] <Pinche_Chingon> Nick, what is going on in the U.S. with legitimizing illegal immigration and H1-B (and others) visa abuse is all about maximizing corporate profits and driving down quality of life, not a "free market"
[16:07:43] <paulej72> the only reason we have choice is that two differen monopolies (telco and cable tv) got into broadband
[16:08:17] <slash2phar> and thats only cos there was already copper for telephone service everywhere thanks to title ii
[16:08:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> in the few areas where there's any competition at all, yeah
[16:08:25] <nick> Pinche_Chingon, i've seen that and where I am (UK) a similar thing applies. I don't hold it against the immigrants, but it's not a sustainable solution.
[16:08:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Europol and Security Vendors Disrupt Massive Ramnit Botnet - http://sylnt.us - stomp-stomp-stomp
[16:09:16] <slash2phar> I can't help thinking though this could be like Obamacare - marketed as for the people, but in reality carefully crafted by the industry in the backroom to not really deliver
[16:09:34] <slash2phar> esp when Wheeler is ex industry anyway
[16:09:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, crafted by the pols as a way to sneak in the great firewall of the US
[16:10:06] <slash2phar> i think the main reason this is happening is cos of google et al leaning on the GOP
[16:10:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, gop hate the idea
[16:10:57] <Pinche_Chingon> Wait until more people start having their accounts shut down and being arrested or visited by the cops or DHS for what they post on Facebook.
[16:11:00] <slash2phar> their prob is a lot of their base is other industries that want it.. its not just the acta
[16:11:19] <paulej72> IF THERE'S A MARKET NEED, AN
[16:11:19] <paulej72> INDIVIDUAL WITH A DREAM AND A
[16:11:19] <paulej72> PROPENSITY FOR RISK WILL ENTER
[16:11:19] <paulej72> TO PROVIDE SERVICE.
[16:11:19] <paulej72> IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S ROLE
[16:11:20] <paulej72> TO OFFER SERVICES INSTEAD OF OR
[16:11:20] <Pinche_Chingon> I'm hoping the security state and their collaborators in industry will eat each other.
[16:11:22] <paulej72> IN COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE
[16:11:24] <paulej72> ACTORS.
[16:11:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> they want the graft and looting to continue. dems want power over what you're allowed to see on the net. neither have our best interest at heart.
[16:11:34] <slash2phar> plus if they tried to stop this, its a gift to obama
[16:11:38] <paulej72> I'M DEEPLY TROUBLED BY THE
[16:11:38] <paulej72> POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS
[16:11:38] <paulej72> ORDER.
[16:11:38] <paulej72> MUNICIPAL BROADBAND NETWORKS
[16:11:38] <paulej72> HAVE A HISTORY OF OVERPROMISING
[16:11:38] <paulej72> AND UNDERDELIVERRING, LEAVING
[16:11:42] <paulej72> TAXPAYERS AT RISK.
[16:11:44] <paulej72> wrong quote pasted
[16:11:52] <slash2phar> wtf?
[16:11:55] <Pinche_Chingon> What should be done is...
[16:12:04] Pinche_Chingon is now known as Ethanol-fueled
[16:12:08] <Ethanol-fueled> REMOVE THE BROWN MENACE
[16:12:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Bahahahaha
[16:12:15] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[16:12:22] Ethanol-fueled is now known as Pinche_Chingon
[16:12:22] <paulej72> lol
[16:12:38] <slash2phar> paulej72: is that guy on crack
[16:12:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i already removed the brown menace earlier. halfway through the second cup of coffee, same as every morning.
[16:12:59] <slash2phar> ok this is Wheeler's big moment
[16:13:53] <paulej72> YOU CAN'T SAY YOU'RE FOR
[16:13:53] <paulej72> COMPETITION BUT DENY LOCAL
[16:13:53] <paulej72> ELECTED OFFICIALS THE RIGHT TO
[16:13:53] <paulej72> OFFER COMPETITIVE CHOICES.
[16:14:04] <slash2phar> dang he's really going for it
[16:14:08] <Pinche_Chingon> are you all watching C-Span or something?
[16:14:15] <paulej72> yeppers
[16:14:16] <slash2phar> http://www.fcc.gov
[16:14:16] <Hedonismbot> ^✓ 03Live | FCC.gov
[16:14:25] <Pinche_Chingon> can't watch that now, for "reasons."
[16:14:36] <Pinche_Chingon> But thank you.
[16:15:13] <Pinche_Chingon> Gotta go. Let's hope that goes well.
[16:15:17] <paulej72> THE BOTTOM LINE OF THESE MATTERS
[16:15:17] <paulej72> IS THAT SOME STATES HAVE CREATED
[16:15:17] <paulej72> THICKETS OF RED TAPE DESIGNED TO
[16:15:17] <paulej72> LIMIT COMPETITION.
[16:15:17] <paulej72> WE'RE NOT TALKING HERE ABOUT THE
[16:15:18] <slash2phar> this is one heck of a speech
[16:15:18] <paulej72> STATE'S AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE
[16:15:20] <paulej72> WHETHER A COMMUNITY CAN OFFER
[16:15:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> good thing they got the teletype going, can't hear it at all
[16:15:22] <paulej72> BROADBAND TO ITS CITIZENS.
[16:15:34] Pinche_Chingon is now known as Ethanol-fueled
[16:15:36] <Ethanol-fueled> UN!
[16:15:38] * Ethanol-fueled farts
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[16:16:36] <paulej72> WHEN LOCAL LEADERS HAVE THEIR
[16:16:36] <paulej72> HANDS TIED BY BUREAUCRATIC STATE
[16:16:36] <paulej72> RED TAPE, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND
[16:16:36] <paulej72> RESIDENTS ARE THE ONES WHO
[16:16:36] <paulej72> SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES
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[16:17:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, ima wait for the youtube
[16:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe it'll have audio
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[16:19:12] <slash2phar> he's serious preaching to the choir
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[16:21:23] <slash2phar> THIS DECISION IS FOR THE
[16:21:23] <slash2phar> RIGHT OF AMERICANS, THROUGH
[16:21:23] <slash2phar> THEIR ELECTED LOCAL OFFICIALS,
[16:21:23] <slash2phar> TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION ABOUT
[16:21:23] <slash2phar> THEIR BROADBAND FUTURE.
[16:21:45] <slash2phar> THE AYES HAVE IT.
[16:21:45] <paulej72> item carried
[16:21:45] <slash2phar> THE ITEM IS CARRIED.
[16:22:37] <slash2phar> Now the main event
[16:22:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> 3:2 down the line on all the votes so far, yeah?
[16:23:06] <slash2phar> yeah it will be 3:@ on this one too
[16:23:10] <slash2phar> 3:2
[16:23:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> apolitical my pale, hairy ass
[16:23:46] <slash2phar> heck they have a video from TBL
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[16:24:40] <paulej72> I guess he could not drag his ass to DC to present in person
[16:25:03] <slash2phar> it seems appropriate he'd stream over the web
[16:25:19] <paulej72> hopfully it is via broadband and they get hit with data rate slow downs
[16:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima drag my ass inside and find something breakfast-like
[16:25:28] <slash2phar> that would be classic
[16:25:33] <slash2phar> TBL buffering
[16:28:03] <slash2phar> These are great witnesses
[16:29:20] <slash2phar> They should have Julian Assange on to say how he couldnt have done wikileaks without the open internet
[16:30:45] <slash2phar> here's TBLs video
[16:31:15] <slash2phar> Tim needs to learn about ground loops
[16:34:35] <slash2phar> kinda looks like he's got Parkinsons
[16:35:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ground loops are a pain in the ass
[16:36:48] <slash2phar> FIRST, BROADBAND PROVIDERS MAY
[16:36:48] <slash2phar> NOT BLOCKAGES TO LEGAL CONTENT,
[16:36:48] <slash2phar> APPLICATION, SERVICES, OR
[16:36:48] <slash2phar> NON-HARMFUL DEVICES.
[16:36:48] <slash2phar> SECOND, THEY MAY NOT IMPAIR OR
[16:36:49] <slash2phar> DEGRADE LAWFUL INTERNET TRAFFIC
[16:36:51] <slash2phar> ON THE BASIS OF CONTENT,
[16:36:53] <slash2phar> APPLICATION, SERVICES, OR ANY
[16:36:55] <slash2phar> CLASSES THEREOF.
[16:36:57] <slash2phar> THIRD, THEY MAY NOT FAVOR SOME
[16:36:59] <slash2phar> INTERNET TRAFFIC OVER OTHER
[16:37:01] <slash2phar> INTERNET TRAFFIC IN EXCHANGE FOR
[16:37:03] <slash2phar> CONSIDERATION OF ANY KIND.
[16:37:05] <slash2phar> IN OTHER WORDS, NO FAST LANES.
[16:37:09] <slash2phar> i wonder is that all they are going to do
[16:38:18] <slash2phar> Lots of exceptions
[16:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> good cause i'd hate to get burned for running QOS on my firewall
[16:39:59] <slash2phar> They are forebearing 27 parts of Title II
[16:40:12] <slash2phar> BROADBAND PROVIDERS WILL NOT BE
[16:40:12] <slash2phar> SUBJECT TO UTILITY STYLE
[16:40:12] <slash2phar> REGULATION.
[16:40:12] <slash2phar> THIS MEANS NO UNBUNDLING,
[16:40:12] <slash2phar> TARIFF, OR OTHER FORMS OF RATE
[16:40:13] <slash2phar> REGULATION.
[16:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> good, most of it don't apply
[16:40:36] <slash2phar> and no USF
[16:41:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, think half my breakfast is still in my beard
[16:41:23] <slash2phar> Thats fine if they can truly smash the monopolies
[16:42:23] * TheMightyBuzzard puts hotels on park place and boardwalk
[16:42:30] <slash2phar> What's truly sad about all this is it just represents the govt finally responding to 20 years of industry tactics, just to allow us to play catch-up
[16:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[16:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nother 20 years they'll respond to what this fucked up
[16:43:27] <slash2phar> they're not doing LLU... still hard to see how another provider is going to appear against Comcast in most areas
[16:44:21] <slash2phar> but... is it Title II, the forbearance can be removed in future
[16:44:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash2phar, if you make it possible, competition will generally occur naturally.
[16:44:44] <slash2phar> true.. but the infrastructure is almost a natural monopoly
[16:45:13] <slash2phar> in Ireland they actually had to build a new public fiber network to break the existing telco monopoly
[16:45:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, google shown that not to be the case. wtf good is all that copper if someone comes in offering fiber at 20x the speed
[16:45:26] <slash2phar> plus local loop unbundling
[16:45:49] <slash2phar> true... cities at least have the option to bring someone in
[16:46:03] <slash2phar> this is definitely an improvement
[16:46:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, and the entire industry is absolutely ripe for disruption
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[16:47:05] <slash2phar> suprised there isnt more WiMax / WISP competition
[16:47:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if wireless is ever competitive with wired it will only be for a very short time.
[16:48:21] <slash2phar> USERS OF MOBILE DEVICES SHOULD
[16:48:21] <slash2phar> NOT BE RELEGATED TO A SECOND
[16:48:21] <slash2phar> CLASS INTERNET.
[16:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> wired does not have to figure out a way around 30 people trying to use the same frequency and stepping on each other.
[16:48:29] <slash2phar> yup
[16:48:46] <slash2phar> well.. the wisps in ireland are using different spectrum
[16:49:01] <slash2phar> 20mpbs doesnt seem to be a problem
[16:49:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> also less with the square-cube prollems of broadcasting a signal
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[16:49:40] <slash2phar> FCC intervening in peering arrangements. that'll be fun
[16:49:55] <slash2phar> I HAVE ALSO BEEN VOCAL ABOUT MY
[16:49:55] <slash2phar> CALL TO MODERNIZE THE LIFE LINE
[16:49:55] <slash2phar> PROGRAM, WHICH HAS BEEN STUCK IN
[16:49:55] <slash2phar> AN EMPTY HAMMER PARACHUTE PANTS
[16:49:55] <slash2phar> TIME WARP SINCE 1985.
[16:50:08] <slash2phar> I HOPE M.C. HAMMER IS NOT
[16:50:08] <slash2phar> WATCHING.
[16:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[16:50:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> please, hammer, don't hurt him.
[16:51:01] <slash2phar> her
[16:51:06] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[16:51:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> we need a gender-neutral pronoun that isn't also plural
[16:51:38] <slash2phar> the prob here is the people have to keep the pressure on the FCC going forward
[16:52:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, which we're pretty good at if we get motivated. see sopa.
[16:52:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> and/or gamergate
[16:52:59] <slash2phar> wholesale rate regulation has been very effective in europe
[16:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ewwww, no
[16:53:16] <slash2phar> thats totally what got the UK off dial-up
[16:53:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> price fixing is bad every single time
[16:53:36] <slash2phar> not if the backhaul is a natural monopoly
[16:53:51] <slash2phar> i woudl do it until there were multiple options
[16:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, i can go with that
[16:54:14] <slash2phar> thats what happened in the UK
[16:54:27] <slash2phar> they made BT deliver the backhaul at cost. ISP market exploded
[16:54:46] <slash2phar> especially what most of the fscking backhaul has already been paid for by taxpayers anyway
[16:55:05] <slash2phar> we should get something back for that $300 bn
[16:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we just should never have shelled out for it in the first place.
[16:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> they ain't got problems getting loans.
[16:55:49] <slash2phar> true
[16:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> reason they make the big bucks, huge risk.
[16:56:11] <slash2phar> a backhaul with no profit is a good thing
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[16:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, not really.
[16:57:00] <slash2phar> its similar to the interstate system
[16:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a fantastic argument. you can see how that's falling to shit any day.
[16:57:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ideally they trade backhaul for backhaul
[16:58:11] <slash2phar> privatizing it doesnt mean it would be invested it.. just means any cost of fixing it will be passed on to the users + maximum profit market will bear
[16:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> no free rides but value for value
[16:58:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but where there's profit to be had, there's investors.
[16:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless you keep letting telcos and cable companies merge till there's only one or two left, which we're very near.
[16:59:27] <slash2phar> but as we see with infrastructure, its very hard to ensure free competition to make it price efficient
[17:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. it's simple. if they don't wanna share their infrastructure, build your own. they had to.
[17:00:56] <slash2phar> duplicating resources cos you cant ensure fair prices
[17:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no such thing as a fair price
[17:01:12] <nick> you cant build your own if they already own the only land it can go on
[17:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless both agree to it
[17:01:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, eminent domain that shit again. it had to be done once already...
[17:02:13] <slash2phar> i dont want more than one fiber build out in my city
[17:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> only in case of actual bottleneck though.
[17:02:24] <nick> would be the way forward, but then you have 'the freemarket and private investment built this, now you want to take it away'
[17:02:25] <slash2phar> its enough disruption already
[17:02:37] <nick> but i agree in general
[17:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you leave them rights to their infrastructure but seize rights to the land to build more. if necessary.
[17:03:04] <nick> it can be done
[17:03:33] <nick> i dont disagree that at all, but there's really no motivation top down for it to happen as i'm sure we both know
[17:03:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, ideally though they trade value in other backhaul for value in the backhaul someone else is wanting.
[17:03:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> both grow, both benefit.
[17:03:53] <nick> and then at the bottom end you have general apathy with these types of issues
[17:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[17:04:09] <slash2phar> backhaul is a patchwork anyway
[17:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept for us folks who just like a good problem to solve
[17:04:15] <nick> nod
[17:04:24] <slash2phar> the peering stuff has been pretty efficient
[17:04:40] <slash2phar> its not a huge problem
[17:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> more or less, yeah. bet they really hate it
[17:04:57] <slash2phar> the last mile infrastructure control is a bigger problem
[17:05:18] <slash2phar> did fox news write this guys speech
[17:05:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> now now, no FNC dissing unless you're gonna diss MSNBC as well
[17:06:07] <slash2phar> dont watch either
[17:06:11] <nick> how about just dissing murdoch individually?
[17:06:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, ditto
[17:06:43] <slash2phar> "if you like your internet service you should be able to keep your internet service" lol
[17:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he's just a good capitalist mostly. turns out capitalism don't always work that great when it's to do with the press.
[17:07:13] <nick> a good capitalist realises the press can be a useful tool
[17:07:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it has been for him.
[17:07:29] <nick> indeed
[17:07:59] <nick> like many people, for his 'business' you can only respect - but from a moral standpoint, especially when it comes to his involvement with journalism - what could have been good
[17:08:08] <slash2phar> he's saying there'll be a UDF even though they just said there won't be a UDF
[17:08:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'm in favor of keeping the capitalistic thing for the press going but i'd really like one that was genuinely decicated to impartiality.
[17:08:12] <slash2phar> USF i mean
[17:08:34] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, freedom of speech works both ways like that
[17:08:55] <nick> if the press wants to be capitalistic, then awesome for them, but their content should be viewed with that in mind
[17:09:10] <nick> but we're mostly in a situation now where you just choose your flavour of corporate influence
[17:09:18] <nick> if you want to be dedicated to one source
[17:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> not talking freedom of speech, talking folks who could put on an impartiality mask for a few hours a day in return for dollars.
[17:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think there's dollars to be made there but prolly not as much as rousing up morons of the blue and red variety.
[17:10:03] <slash2phar> Fewer than 200 individuals and their spouses are responsible for almost 60 percent of the more than $1 billion in super PAC spending since 2010
[17:10:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[17:10:21] <nick> return on investment for impartial news is not going to be very big
[17:10:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't bug me remotely
[17:10:46] <slash2phar> thats entertainment really, not news
[17:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, doesn't necessarily need to be. i mean look at us. we'll argue about anything and yeah we may barely make ends meet but we do it.
[17:11:38] <nick> quite right, we are trying to do exactly that
[17:11:57] <nick> but we are setting ourselves higher standards with lower to nonexistant (financial) reward for it
[17:12:04] <nick> but it's something worth doing for us
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[17:12:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, just saying it might be worth it to some tv types as well.
[17:13:08] <nick> it's very possible, and i hope something comes along like that
[17:13:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too but i don't see a ton of investors lining up for it purely for ROI reasons
[17:13:39] <nick> but i'm not hopeful, especially with where the BBC has been heading, which was one of the better(relatively) news sources.
[17:13:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a pretty hard sell
[17:13:47] <ciri> me too, smoke time! TheMightyBuzzard
[17:14:29] <nick> BBC has become a shell of its former self, for journalism. Just verbatim reprints of press releases from the two sides
[17:14:40] <nick> or in the case of tech and business news, just press releases from the company involved.
[17:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, sad really.
[17:15:03] <nick> "government says x, not government says y; we didn't do shit to validate the truth behind either"
[17:15:09] <nick> might as well be their summary now
[17:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. investigative journalism is mostly dead.
[17:15:56] <nick> ROI again.
[17:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[17:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> need to take the news corps from normal corps to PBCs like us.
[17:16:46] <nick> agree
[17:17:48] <nick> i'm proud of our status as a PBC
[17:19:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. and with a couple contrary bastards like me around to keep us honest, i think we'll stay on the right path.
[17:20:31] <nick> I think we're all have the same goal in mind, but just different nuances in how to get there.
[17:22:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much. like i don't try for impartiality unless i'm doing up a story. as a commenter i'm wicked partial and hold nada back.
[17:22:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'cause i like my stories to be the facts, the arguments i want from people who can be argued with.
[17:22:50] <slash2phar> this GOP commissioners speech is great except for the 800 lb gorilla
[17:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> the monopoly word?
[17:23:09] <slash2phar> yeah
[17:23:26] <slash2phar> apparently everything's fine and dandy
[17:24:08] <slash2phar> throtting or fast lane deals dont exist apparently
[17:24:50] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, i enjoy all your comments even if i dont agree with them, they usually give me something to think about
[17:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> tell that to my vpn what NEVER maxes out my connection even though it has the capacity
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[17:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, zactly. even if what you're thinking about is what best to hit me over the head with.
[17:25:40] <nick> lol
[17:25:41] <ciri> lol damn!
[17:25:45] <slash2phar> "the bipartisan consensus that has served us so well" LOLOLOL
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[17:26:18] <nick> 'the establishment has an internal review and decided there's no issues with the establishment'
[17:26:20] <slash2phar> COMMISSIONER?
[17:26:20] <slash2phar> I TRIED TO KEEP SCORE ON ALL THE
[17:26:20] <slash2phar> THINGS I DISAGREED WITH THAT YOU
[17:26:20] <slash2phar> SAID, BUT I'VE GOT YOU ON MY
[17:26:20] <slash2phar> SCORECARD NOW AS UNDECIDED BUT
[17:26:21] <slash2phar> PROBABLY WAVERING AGAIN.
[17:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, i think they did go too far. i think they should have basically only gone after them where things are non-competitive for one reason or another.
[17:28:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i also think it's a fuckton better than what we had yesterday
[17:28:50] <slash2phar> doing something like that would require legislation
[17:28:57] <slash2phar> which isnt gonna happen
[17:29:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. they coulda just left out a lot of bits and had it be a better decision.
[17:29:50] <slash2phar> they kind of are.. it depends on exactly what forbearance they apply
[17:30:24] <slash2phar> congress can always come up with a new FCC Act
[17:30:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> like fast lanes should be allowed, in areas where there is competition. then nobody is over a barrel to pay for a fast lane cause people can switch.
[17:31:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> emperor buzzard would just make things miserable as all hell where they weren't competing until they welcomed competition.
[17:35:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no need to mandate leasing of lines when you make them desperate to lease them so the punitive regulations lift.
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[17:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, i'm out for a while. needa go do stuffs.
[18:10:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CERN is Getting Serious About Development of the KiCad App for Designing Printed Circuits - http://sylnt.us - open-data
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[19:10:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NVIDIA Backtracks On Mobile Graphics Overclocking - http://sylnt.us - customer-is-always-right
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[19:18:48] <geotti_away> http://9gag.com
[19:18:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03You cheated on me with a woman?! - 9GAG
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[19:19:00] <geotti> tea++
[19:19:00] <Bender> karma - tea: 416
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[19:31:29] <Chrono_Trigger> SO what do you think of the FCC's Net Neutrality vote?
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[19:37:19] <weeds> Hello!
[19:47:10] <CoolHand> hellow weeds
[19:47:24] <weeds> How's your afternoon going/
[19:47:27] <weeds> ?
[19:47:53] <CoolHand> ok.. starting to feel a slight fever coming on though.. :(
[19:49:00] <weeds> blech, just got over a cold
[20:11:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Approves Three-Person IVF Babies - http://sylnt.us - mothers-day-just-got-more-expensive
[20:25:41] <arti> it's been going around
[20:25:54] <arti> what's awesome is getting over one and then getting another, level 2 so to speak.
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[20:31:58] <CoolHand> hopefully that doesn't happen arti :)
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[21:03:26] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:03:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1126
[21:03:32] <crutchy> mornings--
[21:03:32] <Bender> karma - mornings: -2
[21:03:40] <crutchy> tgif++
[21:03:40] <Bender> karma - tgif: 2
[21:03:59] <crutchy> ~weather
[21:04:00] <exec> 03Melbourne VIC - currently 14°C, mostly sunny, wind N at 10 km/h, humidity 94% - Friday partly cloudy (16°C-26°C), Saturday partly cloudy (15°C-34°C), Sunday scattered showers (10°C-21°C), Monday mostly sunny (14°C-27°C)
[21:04:18] <crutchy> ~queue
[21:04:21] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 14 - http://sylnt.us
[21:12:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BREAKING - FCC Approves Net Neutrality - http://sylnt.us - what-say-you?
[21:14:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[21:14:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1127
[21:17:03] <paulej72> ceeffo++
[21:17:03] <Bender> karma - ceeffo: 3
[21:23:25] <crutchy> lol 3 :p
[21:23:25] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[21:23:33] <crutchy> !whoup ceeffo
[21:23:33] <Bender> uppers of ceeffo are: paulej72: 3
[21:23:38] <crutchy> :D
[21:23:53] <crutchy> ceeffo++
[21:23:53] <Bender> karma - ceeffo: 4
[21:24:10] <crutchy> i'll be sure to up that more on monday mornings i think
[21:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's coffee if you're CDO, right?
[21:30:10] <paulej72> yes it is
[21:51:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> hooo boy have i pissed off the net neutrality folks.
[21:53:07] <paulej72> where and when
[21:53:07] <ciri> somewhere out on the WEB i guess paulej72
[21:56:18] <mechanicjay> the net neutrality thing really makes me think about the ISP I choose for my new house. I think, I cannot, in good concious
[21:56:41] <mechanicjay> give comcast any of my money
[21:57:09] <mechanicjay> s/concious/conscience/g
[21:58:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i won't be either. their offering is worse than the alternatives.
[21:59:11] <mechanicjay> my problem is that they're the best offering, so the decision really has meaning to me personally.
[21:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, suck.
[21:59:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> non-emotional long-term outlook it's still better not to go with them.
[22:00:26] <mechanicjay> probably true.
[22:00:48] <mechanicjay> as least I can the guilt-bit won't be set on every IP packet.
[22:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> guilt's for mugs. vulcan logic ftw
[22:10:04] <paulej72> I can get Verizon FIOS or Comcast. I am not sure which is worse as both have their issues.
[22:11:24] <mechanicjay> I can get Comcast, CenturyLink DSL, or MegaPath ( merged with Speakeasy and Covad).
[22:11:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> fios will get your your porn faster
[22:11:39] <paulej72> unless it is down
[22:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, right
[22:12:28] <paulej72> blew 4 mods points on your discussion TheMightyBuzzard
[22:12:34] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[22:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i blew 3 on the RFC
[22:12:54] <paulej72> i did too
[22:13:05] <paulej72> moderate and post is nice
[22:13:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i dig it. i try n not mod someone i'm arguing with but other than that fair game.
[22:14:15] <mechanicjay> mod_and_post++
[22:14:15] <Bender> karma - mod_and_post: 1
[22:16:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> why does a steak have more energy than a hamburger?
[22:16:16] <paulej72> it has more real meat
[22:16:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> because it's in a ground state
[22:16:24] <paulej72> not fillers and shit
[22:16:39] <paulej72> lol
[22:16:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> science jokes ftw
[22:19:45] <mechanicjay> oh shit
[22:19:55] <mechanicjay> I just accidentially deleted
[22:20:09] <mechanicjay> an email folder with like 30K messages in it.
[22:20:27] <mechanicjay> personal archive of a mailing list....oh well.
[22:20:53] <paulej72> shit. Do you have any backups. Even ones of your local cache may be helpful in recovering it.
[22:21:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, pandora loves me today. "Jesus Just Left Chicago" just dcame up.
[22:22:02] <mechanicjay> seems when I moved email servers I forgot to setup my backup script in cron. Newest backup is 4 months old.
[22:22:16] <paulej72> better than nothing
[22:23:06] <mechanicjay> it has online archives -- it turns out that I might not care that much. I have to think about that for a while before I put too much effort into recovery.
[22:23:37] <mechanicjay> digital hording is just so easy
[22:24:10] <paulej72> until it slows down your email client because it has 30K of emails in one folder
[22:25:28] <mechanicjay> Tbird was still okay with it. Pine didn't blink an eye.
[22:27:01] <paulej72> tbird will puke on that many emails if there are a lot of attachments. Ususally around 20K and my profs start having issues. I then archive their data and they are godd for another year
[22:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i've antagonized the utopian statists enough for today.
[22:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> they can sit in their comfortable little make-believe worlds with the unicorns n honest politicians till tomorrow.
[22:32:54] <paulej72> they never leave their mom's basement so how would they know what the real world is like
[22:35:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i assumed most of em was in college
[22:36:08] <paulej72> even worse, never left the campus gounds and have good internet to boot
[22:36:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup
[22:37:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly paid for by mommy and daddy, grants, or loans. nothing out of their pocket.
[22:37:15] <paulej72> Until satalite came along i had 4 3/4 stations growing up.
[22:37:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, bout the same here and often fuzzy cause we lived a good way from the tower.
[22:38:35] <paulej72> cbs, abc, nbc, local independet ( fox came and killed them) and pbs that was a really weak signal that was dependent on low sun activity.
[22:38:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> fox killed em for a reason though. married with children was awesome.
[22:40:00] <paulej72> but when our antenna had issues I had just helped my uncle install a Directv setup, so I convinced my dad we should do the same.
[22:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> like david boreanaz's second onscreen role getting his ass beat by al bundy.
[22:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i installed hundreds of the bastards before i ever got to watch tv on one. well dozens anyway.
[22:42:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> spent a year n change installing dishes some time after i got out the army. can't remember exactly when.
[22:43:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oscar Voters Are Clueless About Animation - http://sylnt.us - echo-chamber-awards
[22:43:41] <paulej72> I still remember digging the hole for our mast. I hit construction debrits that was used as back fill on the foundation. nice haveing to dig through pieces of concrete block
[22:44:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, found some of that myself on this place. i feel yer pain.
[22:45:05] <paulej72> at 53 comments for FCC
[22:45:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> think it'll top a hundred?
[22:45:30] <paulej72> it is political so it could
[22:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig it when something non-meta does
[22:45:43] <paulej72> plus we primed it fairly well
[22:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[22:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... feels like a papa murphy's kinda night
[22:46:39] <paulej72> I like playing devils advocate every once in a while
[22:48:05] <arti> papa murphys sounds like pizza
[22:48:22] <paulej72> wow I have 31 messages in my queue. I been psoting a lot this week
[22:48:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> is. they make it in front of you then send it home with you with cooking directions.
[22:49:05] <paulej72> fuck that sounds like work
[22:49:06] <arti> "heat it until it done"
[22:49:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> which're basically put it in the oven on like 425
[22:49:18] <arti> do you haz a pizza stone?
[22:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> do indeed
[22:49:59] <arti> those things are awesome, ive got a little stone tray i use in a toaster oven, it's really awesome for samosas.
[22:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> some things is worth a few bucks of extra consideration. quality coffee n a pizza stone are two of em.
[22:51:17] <paulej72> food time for me as well bbl
[23:36:18] <paulej72> it’s latr
[23:44:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> up to 71 comments
[23:53:34] <paulej72> 74
[23:56:25] <everdred> still 74!