#Soylent | Logs for 2015-01-27

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[00:18:55] <Ethanol-fueled> coffee++
[00:18:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1002
[00:19:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Groan, a long night of coding PHP...about as fun as a kick in the pants.
[00:20:29] <mechanicjay> Ethanol-fueled: I've been in php land all day myself
[00:21:24] <mechanicjay> just ended up doing a really gross shell exec, passing data to awk because php kept blowing it's memory cap to do the same thing naively.
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[00:27:13] <LancePodstrong> i'm thinking of learning php
[00:27:17] <LancePodstrong> it seems fun and practical
[00:27:48] <mechanicjay> Having written a fair number of lines of php recently I will tell you the following:
[00:28:27] <mechanicjay> Positives: Lots of expertise out there, easy to figure out how to do almost anything. Reasonably well documented, ubiquitous.
[00:29:53] <mechanicjay> Negatives: Handling of True/false/0/1/Null can be really irritating, requiring non-straight forward handling of logic test.
[00:30:28] <mechanicjay> array handling could really be better. I got totally spoiled by Python's lists last year.
[00:31:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh god yeah, those godawful arrays in PHP
[00:31:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Horrendous. All of my why?!
[00:32:06] <mechanicjay> yeah, sometimes you just want to iterate over an indexed array with no hassle.
[00:32:15] <LancePodstrong> :)
[00:32:32] <chromas> it doesn't have a foreach()?
[00:32:56] <swiss> php: If I can't find an answer, i'll make one up
[00:33:12] <Ethanol-fueled> it does, chromas, but generally do do anything with a packed array you need to resort to all kinds of gymnastics.
[00:33:34] <mechanicjay> it does, but it's not a native iterator, which is how python spoiled me, especially with muiltdimention arrays.
[00:34:10] <mechanicjay> oh, you want to update an element inside a nested array? Study up on your scoping and then shoot yourself in the head because it still doesn't work the way you think it does.
[00:35:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Ugh, this is depressing.
[00:35:52] <Ethanol-fueled> (depressing 'cuz I gotta do it, and do it all through the next couple days)
[00:36:26] <mechanicjay> yeah, at least I get paid well for this ;)
[00:36:26] <chromas> put your code on a public repo then we can all hack on it
[00:36:38] <chromas> You'll learn valuable lessons in working in groups :D
[00:37:41] <LancePodstrong> any suggestions for good resources when learning php?
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[00:38:41] <chromas> right here :)
[00:38:47] <chromas> ~php strpos
[00:38:48] <exec> mixed strpos( string $haystack , mixed $needle [, int $offset = 0] )
[00:38:48] <exec> http://php.net
[00:39:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck group work
[00:39:27] <Ethanol-fueled> We have only one group assignment for this class, I think the instructors got the hint that people hate group work.
[00:39:29] <mechanicjay> http://php.net
[00:39:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03PHP: PHP Manual - Manual
[00:40:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Not that I'd show you all my ugly-ass PHP code anyway.
[00:40:26] <LancePodstrong> i fucking hate group assignments
[00:40:26] <chromas> it's php; how would we know?
[00:40:33] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah
[00:41:01] <LancePodstrong> i always offer to do the group assignment myself
[00:41:08] <LancePodstrong> i'd rather give them a free ride than put up with their bullshit
[00:41:15] <mechanicjay> ha, ugly is one thing -- if it's readable, it's passable in my book. That goes for any language. Don't get clever w/ syntax making stuff non-readable by the next guy
[00:42:43] <chromas> mix neste ternary conditionals with pointers to pointers to pointers
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[00:48:48] <BadCoderFinger> Hey guys
[00:48:57] <SpallsHurgenson> <grrrr>
[00:49:14] <LancePodstrong> hi
[00:49:17] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: Something vexes thee.
[00:49:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm just trying to scare away the polar bears
[00:49:57] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: Is it working?
[00:50:35] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: Also, how many are in your area? Maybe you should call pest control.
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[00:51:13] <BadCoderFinger> Another preventable tragedy involving polar bears!
[00:51:16] <chromas> (Quit: Connection reset by bear)
[00:51:40] <SpallsHurgenson> damn, chromas's quit was funnier, I should have used that one
[00:51:43] <chromas> s/a/e/
[00:51:43] <SedNotABot> <chromas> (Quit: Connection reset by beer)
[00:55:48] <LancePodstrong> connection reset by bear
[00:56:39] <LancePodstrong> just made a blt
[00:56:50] <swiss> bear leaves tomorrow
[00:58:17] <SpallsHurgenson> well, time for my nightly cavalcade of story links that I post here 'cause I'm too lazy or stupid to use ~submit :)
[00:58:20] <SpallsHurgenson> http://arstechnica.com golly, how will poor verizon manage to stay in business?
[00:58:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Verizon punished for failing to investigate phone problems in rural areas | Ars Technica
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[01:03:44] <chromas> You know, if you submitted those stories you'd get three karmas each
[01:04:20] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah but you can't get more than 50 anyway so what's the point? :)
[01:04:42] <chromas> you can take moar troll mods
[01:07:04] <SpallsHurgenson> well seeing as how I so rarely post on soylent that's not really a big worry :)
[01:07:46] <chromas> I bet kitty secretly has an account
[01:08:04] <SpallsHurgenson> then she can ~submit her own stories :)
[01:08:29] * chromas submits verizon story
[01:08:57] <chromas> So many paragraphs; it's always so hard to choose which two to blockquote because I don't have anything to add besides the quotes
[01:10:02] <chromas> Ooh, if I take a sentence from each paragraph then I can pretend I wrote it and skip the quotes
[01:10:20] <SpallsHurgenson> here, maybe this one might be easier:
[01:10:36] <SpallsHurgenson> http://techcrunch.com I blame Microsoft
[01:10:36] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Microsoft Slips 2% After Reporting $26.5B In FQ2 Revenue, $1.1B In Surface Revenue | TechCrunch
[01:11:00] <chromas> I wouldn't mind a surface pro
[01:11:12] <chromas> I wouldn't pay for one, but it'd be nice to put linux on it
[01:11:16] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, I'll take practically any computer hardware :)
[01:11:24] <chromas> You already did
[01:11:44] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, I'll take practically any MORE computer hardware :)
[01:11:52] <chromas> I bet that washing machine is actually a harddrive
[01:14:23] <Ethanol-fueled> washing machine would be more like a magnetic drum
[01:14:32] <chromas> If soylent were a nfp, could editors from ars etc write articles for soylent for free and count it as a charity donation?
[01:15:16] <chromas> I'm picturing the boxes like in Wargames. I guess those had tape drives. Were they just moar computers?
[01:15:42] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: hey, you could write up an article on some of your hardware :D
[01:17:01] <SpallsHurgenson> "Here is a picture of my ordinary, unexciting hardware. there is nothing special about it, it isn't set up particularly well, and I don't have that much of it compared to some real hoarders." ... might not be that interesting an article, actually :)
[01:17:26] <chromas> I don't have any fifty-year-old hardware
[01:17:35] <BadCoderFinger> I actually threw out my old Amiga 500 recently. I nearly cried.
[01:17:38] <chromas> Make it a nostalgia piece
[01:17:46] <chromas> aw
[01:17:49] <SpallsHurgenson> the main character in Wargames had an Altair 8800, IIRC
[01:18:11] <chromas> I just remember the IMSAI floppy drives
[01:19:01] <chromas> http://www.protovision-online.com
[01:19:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03PROTOVISION - Creating the Future
[01:19:51] <swiss> 17:19:11 <swiss> dcc send malware that looks like anime
[01:19:51] <swiss> 17:19:14 <swiss> half the people have dcc_autoget turned on
[01:19:51] <swiss> 17:19:18 <swiss> so they'll auto download it
[01:19:51] <swiss> 17:19:27 <swiss> do it in big rizon channels
[01:19:51] <swiss> 17:19:32 <swiss> NO MORE TARDS ON THE NETWORK YAY
[01:20:24] <chromas> they also auto-execute it?
[01:20:34] <chromas> You could've had them mining buttcoins
[01:20:50] <swiss> no, but you just make the icon VLC or MPC, and they'll click on it
[01:21:11] <swiss> or find a way to put malware in .ass files to be executed
[01:22:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - White House Locked Down after Small Drone Found on Grounds - http://sylnt.us - death-from-above
[01:22:28] <BadCoderFinger> "Drone" in this context could be a paper airplane.
[01:22:29] <swiss> http://www.malwarehelp.org <--- if only this bug still existed
[01:22:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Vulnerabilities: Malicious subtitle file could harm VLC media player | Malware Help. Org
[01:28:34] <LancePodstrong> i agree chromas i want one of those new ms tablets to put linux on
[01:28:38] <LancePodstrong> the hardware is nice
[01:29:28] <SpallsHurgenson> so it's settled, chromas will be buying each of us a surface pro so we can all put linux on it :)
[01:30:10] <LancePodstrong> wondrous
[01:30:43] <LancePodstrong> i got a free netbook the other day
[01:30:50] <LancePodstrong> intel atom
[01:31:04] <LancePodstrong> not super fast but nice and light, great battery life
[01:31:08] <LancePodstrong> will make a nice remote terminal
[01:31:10] <SpallsHurgenson> I loved my atom netbook... but it was sloooowwww
[01:31:35] <LancePodstrong> yeah this t hing takes forever to load firefox
[01:31:53] <LancePodstrong> doesn't work that well. makes a better terminal
[01:32:22] <LancePodstrong> it would be nice if there was a d ecent unbloated browser
[01:32:52] <SpallsHurgenson> it took two minutes to get to desktop, and another few minutes before it loaded the first app. since it was my "take it with me so I can use it anywhere", waiting five or ten minutes before I could actually start to work really minimized its usefulness :)
[01:33:27] <LancePodstrong> hahahaha
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[01:33:47] <SpallsHurgenson> plus the 10" screen with the weird resolution (1024x800? I forget) was annoying
[01:33:55] <LancePodstrong> do we have the same netbook
[01:34:04] <LancePodstrong> some funky toshiba thing
[01:34:05] <LancePodstrong> it's brown
[01:34:21] <SpallsHurgenson> I replaced it with an 11" Acer; cheap-ass computer but it starts up fast and all the dialog boxes fit on the screen :)
[01:35:11] <SpallsHurgenson> nah, my netbook was a Dell. It was dependable and had an 8-hour battery; I just wish it wasn't so slow
[01:36:06] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, and it had a great keyboard, for all that it was so damned tiny.
[01:37:07] <LancePodstrong> nice!
[01:37:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I still use it whenever I have to check if an ethernet network is having problems, since a) it's small enough to lug around, and b) it has an ethernet port, which many modern micro-laptops lack these days
[01:37:13] <LancePodstrong> hard to find good keyboard on a laptop
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[01:39:46] <SpallsHurgenson> the acer laptop's keyboard is usable, but not great... and it looks like a Sinclair ZX Spectrum :-(
[01:40:30] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: I had one of those!
[01:40:35] * BadCoderFinger feels old.
[01:41:24] <SpallsHurgenson> probably from hanging around with youngsters like myself :) :) :)
[01:43:40] <juggs> Productive day TheMightyBuzzard ?
[01:43:55] * SpallsHurgenson gives chromas some more work to do
[01:43:57] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:43:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03ICANN CEO criticizes domain "hoggers" • The Register
[01:45:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, not remotely. burnt out before i could troubleshoot a brand new bug we just found this am and then couldn't manage a nap to refresh and rally.
[01:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> so tired and crabby tonight
[01:45:36] <juggs> Sounds like a crappy day all in all :(
[01:45:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, basically
[01:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> always tomorrow though
[01:46:33] <LancePodstrong> chillax
[01:46:35] <LancePodstrong> smoke some herb
[01:46:42] <LancePodstrong> the ideas will flow with time
[01:47:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'm a stims kinda guy. do my best work just after the adderall and coffee kick in in the morning.
[01:48:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> get up at 5 and get to work, by 10 or 11 i'm coded out.
[01:49:11] <LancePodstrong> :)
[01:50:02] <SpallsHurgenson> woohoo, that means12 O'clock is nap-time! :)
[01:50:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[01:51:12] <SpallsHurgenson> nap time is where I really shine :)
[01:51:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i can usually nap like nobody's business. utterly failed today.
[01:52:12] <SpallsHurgenson> did you have some milk and cookies first? :)
[01:52:21] <LancePodstrong> i love naptime
[01:52:34] <LancePodstrong> my dog loves naptime too
[01:52:42] <Leebert> hmm. when the work VPN kicks you off after you've hit the 12-hour session limit, it's probably time to stop working.
[01:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, had a fourth or fifth cup of coffee
[01:53:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> might have something to do with it since they're 20oz cups
[01:53:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I'm starting to see the problem
[01:54:07] <SpallsHurgenson> your yearly review is going to go very poorly if you don't work harder on your napping problem :)
[01:56:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> will get a quality one in after we i get the fix in and we get deployed tomorrow.
[01:58:37] <SpallsHurgenson> (huh... I think my joystick is broken)
[01:59:16] * Konomi yawns and hocks up a furrball
[02:00:19] <SpallsHurgenson> with an extra "r" for extra furriness!
[02:00:58] <Konomi> you can pick on my spelling when I have both eyes open
[02:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> time for some trek n bed
[02:04:12] <Konomi> startreking across the universe ~
[02:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh damn you, that'll be stuck in my head all night
[02:04:43] <SpallsHurgenson> Only going forward 'cause we can't find reverse
[02:05:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill
[02:06:33] <Konomi> thehe
[02:15:16] <SpallsHurgenson> nerI think I just had a nerdgasm https://www.youtube.com
[02:15:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Star Trek Meets Monty Python - YouTube
[02:34:20] <BadCoderFinger> SpallsHurgenson: That wins! Once again, your prize is one internet. Get a box to keep it in.
[02:36:02] <SpallsHurgenson> third one... I wonder if I can network these things together, or would that be like searching for Google in google?
[02:36:18] <chromas> interinternetnet
[02:36:29] <chromas> Yo dawg…
[02:36:40] <BadCoderFinger> Which dawg?
[02:36:58] <chromas> ~define yo dawg
[02:37:05] <chromas> :|
[02:37:06] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Yo_dawg: Alvin Nathaniel Joiner (born September 18, 1974), better known by his stage name Xzibit (pronounced "exhibit"), is an American rapper, actor, and television host. He is known as the host of the MTV sh...
[02:37:28] <BadCoderFinger> That... hurts...
[02:37:34] <chromas> exec could use knowyourmeme.com
[02:37:48] <chromas> Anyhow, the old meme, "I heard you like x so I put y in your y"
[02:37:54] <chromas> internet in your internet
[02:38:29] <BadCoderFinger> "I heard you like porn so I put internet in your internet?" Is that where this is going?
[02:38:38] <chromas> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net
[02:38:49] <LancePodstrong> i need to figure out how to copy and paste out of an xterm
[02:38:55] <LancePodstrong> or maybe use a different terminal emulator
[02:39:36] <BadCoderFinger> Heh
[02:40:17] <BadCoderFinger> The terminal with xfce is pretty good at font rendering, and if you have to do cut-and-paste with a mouse, it has a right-click menu.
[02:43:14] <LancePodstrong> do you know what it's called?
[02:43:17] <BadCoderFinger> chromas: Aside from the obvious horror, that guy looks like Eric S. Raymond! Double horror!
[02:43:19] <LancePodstrong> spoe i could google it
[02:43:29] <BadCoderFinger> xfce4-terminal
[02:44:05] <BadCoderFinger> The executable will be installed as xfce4-terminal or Terminal, depending on the distro.
[02:45:25] <chromas> I was using uxterm earlier. No middle mouse button but I tried to middle-click paste with left-right together.
[02:45:43] <juggs> mate-terminal has the same facility, as does guake. Bonus points for guake's slide out from the top of the screen mode :D
[02:45:51] <chromas> Seems to cause it to select the entire backlog of text and paste it into the command line
[02:46:23] <BadCoderFinger> Natch. What does SHIFT-INSERT do?
[02:46:48] <LancePodstrong> i don't get why i can shift-insert into xterm but not shift-delete cut out of it
[02:47:06] <BadCoderFinger> xmodmap might be your friend...
[02:47:39] <BadCoderFinger> No wait, xbindkeys
[02:47:52] <BadCoderFinger> Bind arbitrary actions to key presses.
[02:48:26] <LancePodstrong> oh interesting
[02:48:35] <LancePodstrong> googling reveals it can be done in xterm but it's jsut disabled by default
[02:48:43] * LancePodstrong goes config editing
[02:49:35] <LancePodstrong> wow it works, it was that easy
[02:49:40] <BadCoderFinger> Heh!
[02:49:42] <LancePodstrong> brb gotta reload this xterm
[02:49:44] <ciri> ok LancePodstrong
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[02:50:56] <BadCoderFinger> You're ready to quote to bash.org now!
[02:51:30] <LancePodstrong> hahaha
[02:51:43] <LancePodstrong> just following links from irc is nice
[02:52:13] <LancePodstrong> can't believe i've gone a decade using irssi in xterm and just accepted the fact that i had to manually transcribe shit or cat it to a file and open elsewhere if i wanted to copy and paste
[02:52:15] <chromas> some terminals let you ctrl+click links
[02:52:19] <LancePodstrong> solved by adding one line to .Xdefaults
[02:53:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lawsuit: Google's reCAPTCHA Tricks Web Site Visitors into Providing Unpaid Labor - http://sylnt.us - croud-fleecing
[02:55:17] <BadCoderFinger> Google tricking people into being mechanical turks? Whodathunkit?
[02:55:40] <LancePodstrong> i thought that was common knowledge with the recaptcha thing? we were all transcribing books or some such thing
[02:58:39] <juggs> I think they finished their book project. I seem to see a lot of street signs and what appear to be house numbers - presumably something to do with improving accuracy for their mapping / streetview stuff.
[02:59:45] <chromas> they need to improve the streetview auto-censoring algorithm
[03:00:09] <chromas> random spots get blurs 'cause it thinks they're faces or license plates
[03:00:27] <LancePodstrong> oh i didn't realize they'd moved beyond books
[03:05:18] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[03:05:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Whistling At Your Mom - YouTube
[03:05:21] <Konomi> ha
[03:06:46] * SpallsHurgenson just realized his camera has wifi
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[03:07:50] <Konomi> we realised ages ago
[03:08:52] <SpallsHurgenson> well I wish you had told me.
[03:09:30] <Konomi> can't do that citizen
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[03:10:57] <Bytram> !uid
[03:10:57] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5029, owned by LancePodstrong
[03:11:01] <Bytram> LOL
[03:11:05] <Bytram> coffee++
[03:11:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1003
[03:11:12] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[03:11:14] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA, USA - currently 27°F / -3°C, light snow, wind NE at 16 mph, humidity 94% - Monday snow (25°F-32°F / -4°C-0°C), Tuesday snow (21°F-28°F / -6°C--2°C), Wednesday chance of snow showers (10°F-25°F / -12°C--4°C), Thursday partly cloudy (30°F-28°F / -1°C--2°C) - source: Google
[03:11:49] <Popeidol> ~weather Perth
[03:11:51] <exec> Weather for Perth WA - currently 99°F / 37°C, partly cloudy, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 13% - Tuesday clear (78°F-101°F / 26°C-38°C), Wednesday clear (70°F-98°F / 21°C-37°C), Thursday clear (73°F-91°F / 23°C-33°C), Friday chance of storm (68°F-93°F / 20°C-34°C) - source: Google
[03:11:58] * Bytram notes that a blizzard is forecast from tonight though all day Tuesday.
[03:12:20] <Konomi> no not another balance update!
[03:12:33] <Bytram> "balance update"?
[03:12:43] * Bytram does not understand
[03:12:46] <Konomi> there goes the pun
[03:12:49] <Konomi> it's flying flying
[03:12:54] <Konomi> right over Bytram's head look at it go!
[03:12:55] <Konomi> ;p
[03:13:00] * Konomi hides
[03:13:10] * Bytram is *very* tired
[03:13:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hey buddy, you round?
[03:13:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ish, yeah
[03:13:59] <Bytram> I misread the controls *again* and instead of just Unspamming a comment, I unspammed AND *whateveritwas*
[03:14:04] <Konomi> I wondder if we could attache electrodes to TheMightyBuzzard and make like a sanity metre that reflects when he's coding and when he is not
[03:14:18] <Bytram> more soup?
[03:14:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> figures. i'll fix it tomorrow when i'm chasing down the last bug
[03:14:40] <Bytram> now I remember "Unspam and Ban or Unspam Only"
[03:14:44] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.androidauthority.com "Heute gehort Android, und morgen die ganze Welt!"
[03:14:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03CEO: “Today, Cyanogen has some dependence on Google. Tomorrow, it will not.”
[03:15:24] <Bytram> it would work much better if the text were something like: "[Unspam Only] or [Unspam AND Ban]"
[03:15:33] <Bytram> or, even better
[03:15:47] <Bytram> "[Unspam-Only] or [Unspam-AND-Ban]"
[03:16:27] <Bytram> I recall that Jugss made that same mistake before, too.
[03:16:41] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:16:47] <Bytram> see the word "Unspam", think "that's what I want to do and click it" and then realize "Oh Shit."
[03:16:50] <SpallsHurgenson> well yeah, but I mean, it's juggs :)
[03:16:52] <LancePodstrong> today android listens, and tomorrow the very world
[03:17:16] <Bytram> yeah, but *I* did it, too -- and if anyone is attentive to things, I should surely qualify, no?
[03:17:38] <Bytram> the system should make it easy to do the right thing and make it hard to do the wrong thing.
[03:17:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but you also like breaking things so that cancels it out
[03:18:16] <juggs> Bytram, I agree - those links could be made clearer - and also possibly shunt them over to the right hand side of the element they are in to avoid misclicks :D
[03:18:21] <Bytram> that's where you've got it wrong. I don't like breaking things; I like to find out where things are broken.
[03:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i put the one we're gonna use more on the left.
[03:18:37] <Bytram> juggs: EXCELLENT idea!
[03:18:49] * juggs steals SpallsHurgenson's internet in a box :P
[03:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good, you two figure it out. i'm code guy not design guy cept for the occasional pwnie or two
[03:19:10] * Bytram sticks a tube in the box and removes the contents
[03:19:18] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:19:25] <juggs> I wonder how much hate you will get for "wasting" time on pwnies and vt100 TheMightyBuzzard :D
[03:19:27] * Bytram Loves the OMG Pwnies theme!
[03:19:40] <Konomi> hehe
[03:19:49] <SpallsHurgenson> Lance: sorry, should have been gëhort (missed the umlaut over the "e" :)
[03:20:01] * Bytram uses that as his default theme on DEV so I can keep it visually separated from my work on prod
[03:20:05] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: go ahead, I got two more :)
[03:20:20] <juggs> You had 3 internets! How greedy
[03:20:36] <BadCoderFinger> He keeps winning them!
[03:20:45] <LancePodstrong> umlaut over the o not the e
[03:20:50] <LancePodstrong> i think
[03:20:56] <Bytram> that would make much more sense
[03:21:10] <chromas> You could give the anti-spam links classes and add css colors or outlines or something
[03:21:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i use the red theme on dev, blue on our private one, black on live, and bada55 on the vm
[03:21:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, I have no idea who I banned.
[03:21:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, easiest to just unban everyone on dev
[03:21:32] <juggs> nod
[03:21:43] <juggs> select * from bans where.... blah :D
[03:21:47] <Bytram> I forgets you has super-duper powers!
[03:22:06] <juggs> See I has supaSQL powah too!
[03:22:13] <Bytram> and I am not as familiar with the database structure as I would like to be
[03:22:38] <Bytram> out of curiousity, who DID I ban? Can you plese check before you reset?
[03:22:44] <SpallsHurgenson> that's what I said, umlaut over the o. if I apparently said something different on your end it was probably a fault in the internet :)
[03:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, not monkeying with it until tomorrow. it was prolly me though.
[03:23:21] <Bytram> fair 'nuf
[03:23:24] <juggs> Not really relevant is it if they are all getting cleared?
[03:23:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> burned out, 4h sleep, and couldn't manage a nap.
[03:23:41] <Bytram> juggs: so TMB says we gets to design the 'unspam' links.
[03:23:57] * Bytram offers TheMightyBuzzard a nice comfy pillow
[03:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, mock me something up or go full on edity on it.
[03:24:29] <SpallsHurgenson> http://thehackernews.com is there really much of a difference between corporate spam and phishing anyway? :)
[03:24:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Hackers can Spoof ATT Phone Messages to steal your Information - Hacker News
[03:24:34] <Bytram> how about: <comment title text> "[Unspam-Only] or [Unspam-AND-Ban]"
[03:24:39] <juggs> picture of a tin of spam with a read cross through it for Unspam and a picture of a tin of spam being assaulted by a flamethrower for the spam and ban perhaps? :D
[03:24:48] <juggs> red*
[03:25:01] <SpallsHurgenson> spam on a catapult!
[03:25:12] <LancePodstrong> lol great visual
[03:25:13] <ciri> lol damn!
[03:25:16] <Bytram> "How NOT to hide in a field" ??
[03:25:20] <SpallsHurgenson> (everything is better with catapults)
[03:25:30] <Bytram> You got THAT right!
[03:25:53] <Bytram> Imagine how much fun one could have with one of those as an amusement park ride!
[03:26:15] <Bytram> juggs: though pics are pretty; some of us run text-only.
[03:26:16] <juggs> <comment title text> <Score: N Spam>....right align [Unspam Only] or [Unspam And Ban]
[03:26:16] <SpallsHurgenson> Fetchez la vache!
[03:26:23] <juggs> Bytram, I was not serious
[03:26:29] <Bytram> whew
[03:26:49] <juggs> I spent months with images off due to a ridiculously low data cap
[03:27:07] <Bytram> I pretty much still do, and for the same reason
[03:27:19] <Bytram> actually not so much data cap, but limited bandwith
[03:27:19] <Konomi> I have to be careful how I use my data too
[03:27:27] <Konomi> despite being on a 100/10 mbps connection x.x
[03:27:30] <juggs> 3GB goes incredibly far when you suppress all images and scripts
[03:27:41] <Konomi> done that on 3g before
[03:27:43] <Konomi> not fun ;p
[03:27:46] <Bytram> juggs: <comment title text> <Score: N Spam>....right align [Unspam-Only] or [Unspam-AND-Ban]
[03:28:13] <LancePodstrong> i had a 3gb cap for a long time
[03:28:20] <LancePodstrong> i lived in a motorhome in walmart parking lot in tucson
[03:28:24] <juggs> fine with me. Just want to get those controls out of harms way so it is a deliberate action to select them
[03:28:25] <LancePodstrong> could get wifi elsewhere if i wanted but
[03:28:26] * Bytram only has lowly 1X and thinks 3G would be speedy
[03:28:34] <LancePodstrong> home is where the heart is
[03:28:51] <SpallsHurgenson> h4x0r the walmart wifi!
[03:29:01] <Bytram> juggs: yes, that's good; and also to make it ABUNDANTLY clear which one does what; and what the extent of the "buttons" are
[03:29:20] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: and find out in the morning that there is no air in his tires?
[03:29:52] <LancePodstrong> wouldn't have been a big deal i was parked there for about ten weeks
[03:29:56] <LancePodstrong> :)
[03:29:57] <SpallsHurgenson> oh come on, this is walmart. the people working there probably don't even know they have wifi :)
[03:30:45] * Bytram just realizes why the "controls" are in the title text and not in the moderation drop down box. Doh!
[03:31:55] <Bytram> hmmm, how about a double-height title bar whenever a comment is modded as spam... have a different background color for it and put the controls in THAT.
[03:32:38] <Bytram> juggs: ^^^^^
[03:33:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in favor of that one cause i've no idea how to code it.
[03:33:44] <LancePodstrong> so, when we arranged to purchase 5 static IPs from our ISP, along with the 5, our router is assigned one called the WAN ip and anyone behind NAT from the router is using that 6th IP to access the internet
[03:33:57] <LancePodstrong> is that standard practice? what's the point? why doesn't our router have to use one of our 5?
[03:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> LancePodstrong, don't look a gift horse in the mouth
[03:34:39] <juggs> We'd need different alt colours for each theme :/ The bar is sized and coloured in css, the page element for the bar would need to be renamed when a comment is spam mod'd so it could be style differently. Seems like a lot of work. Specially as this is The Experiment and may not survive
[03:34:40] <LancePodstrong> what's even stranger is that the 6th "WAN IP" is a slightly different subnet. it's not in sequence with the 5
[03:35:03] <Bytram> I would think it would be as simple as putting another the controls within a div...
[03:35:04] <Bytram> <div class="CommentSpamControls]>[Unspam-Only] or [Unspam-AND-Ban]</div>
[03:35:17] <Bytram> and put that in the end of the comment's title area
[03:35:19] <LancePodstrong> i'm sure not complaining TheMightyBuzzard but i'm confused for sure... don't want to ask the ISP cuz i'm afraid we might lose an IP
[03:35:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> chalk it up to random bureaucratic weirdness
[03:36:19] <juggs> Bytram, and update css style for every theme.
[03:36:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight folks. i'm out for the night. if you two come up with something you like, email it to me.
[03:36:44] <juggs> nod
[03:36:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[03:36:49] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 134
[03:36:50] <juggs> sleep well this time TheMightyBuzzard :D
[03:36:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'night!!!!!!
[03:37:01] <LancePodstrong> sleep well
[03:37:17] * Bytram is going to try something... brb
[03:37:49] * Bytram makes note to self: "Re:test spam #3 for martyb (Score:-1)"
[03:38:00] * Bytram notes that is at: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[03:38:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN (dev) comment by Anonymous Coward
[03:39:01] <juggs> Bytram, I'm happy with just shunting the controls over to the right and making them stand out as links for now. If this Spam function proves successful then we will look to have the Spam Mod Moderation page done so we have a central place to manage Spam mods rather than have to dig through threads to find the individual comments.
[03:39:51] <juggs> That was only dropped due to pj's hectic schedule outside SN.
[03:40:06] <Bytram> Hey! Looks easy-peasy!
[03:40:20] <juggs> Looks can be deceptive :D
[03:40:22] <Bytram> the header bar is all contained within an H4 phrase
[03:40:43] <Bytram> I just put the div in as the last phrase within the H$ and got a second line!
[03:41:07] * Bytram really, REALLY likes Firebug
[03:41:48] <juggs> The browser dev mode provide similar functionality these days too.
[03:42:11] <juggs> But yah, Firebug is neat
[03:42:36] <Bytram> okay, I just now added a new style for it:
[03:42:37] <Bytram> .SpamControl {
[03:42:37] <Bytram> text-align: right;
[03:42:37] <Bytram> }
[03:43:13] <juggs> right, so you just added updating every theme's stylesheet to the release update.
[03:43:52] <Bytram> juggs: nope: just need to add ONE new control to the master CSS for the site.
[03:44:03] <chromas> You can have them import another one with stylings that are common to all the themes
[03:44:18] <chromas> oh, they already do :)
[03:44:25] <juggs> OK. I bow to others knowledge :D
[03:44:35] <Bytram> and that, is not strictly needed; just adding the <div>...<div> will cause it to appear on a separate line and make the comment title bar double-high.
[03:45:04] <Bytram> but, if YOU want to have it right justified, that can, again, be handled in the main style sheet.
[03:45:05] <juggs> We want it coloured putrid yellow though so it stands out! ;)
[03:45:32] <Bytram> I don't recognize that as being one of the css standard colors! :P
[03:45:50] <juggs> Bytram, if the double decker is no more work, that's even better. Want to type it up and mail it to TMB?
[03:45:53] <Bytram> And, now you are looking for something that would be contrasty in ALL the themes.
[03:46:11] <juggs> lol. I think the double decker will stand out enough
[03:46:29] <Bytram> I'd like to try it out for real where the links are actually already present; mine was just a wick-n-dirty proof of concept.
[03:47:07] <Bytram> btw, was there any discussion here on the ban length?
[03:47:42] <Bytram> I'd think that a first offense of one month and a second is 6 months is rather, umm, STRONG!
[03:47:55] <Bytram> how's about: 1 Week, 1 Month, and THEN 6 months. ???
[03:48:05] * Bytram goes to look for spam... brb
[03:48:25] <chromas> Also decrement the karma
[03:48:47] <Bytram> chromas: nod nod; your ideas on how much karma?
[03:48:52] <chromas> no
[03:48:56] <juggs> Not that I am aware of. It may have come up and quickly talked through though. The whole point being it is an experiment and the variables are easily alterable. The idea was to provide a draconian deterrent
[03:49:54] <chromas> Mod as spam --> swat kicks in your door and hauls you off
[03:49:59] <juggs> We can theorise about the "best" values until the cows come home. But honestly we're not going to know until it is in the wild.
[03:50:12] <Bytram> good point.
[03:50:29] <juggs> There's certainly been no negativity about the ban lengths in comments so far.
[03:50:33] <Bytram> best way to find out how much, is to try way too much and then back it down til it works.
[03:50:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:50:55] <LancePodstrong> i wouldn't worry about a month being too long
[03:50:57] * Bytram has made a comment to test with: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[03:50:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN (dev) comment by Anonymous Coward
[03:51:03] <LancePodstrong> spammers lucky they aren't permabanned
[03:51:11] <LancePodstrong> i guess depends what qualifies as spam but
[03:51:27] <Bytram> hmmm, too bad links to comments lack the actual comment's title text!
[03:52:09] <juggs> Bytram, I'm not doing anything on dev until tmb vanquishes the bug(s).
[03:52:09] <chromas> Hey guys, check out this one weird trick to install MyCleanPC! Antivirus companies hate these guys!
[03:52:13] * Bytram just moderated it as spam
[03:52:57] <Bytram> juggs: yuppers! It's something that I'd noticed in the past and just wanted to put out there so other's were aware of it, too.
[03:54:19] <juggs> LancePodstrong, spam mod is meant for the overtly gratuitous advertising / botware shite posts. Things such as the more site traditional "first post" or comments that vaguely veer away from the topic should be modded Off-Topic. We will have to see how it gets used in practise.
[03:54:38] <Bytram> Okay... here's what I'm starting with:
[03:54:45] <Bytram> <h4><img title="Close Comment" sxct_hover="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDgAOAIAAAMzMzAAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAAOAA4AAAIdjI8Jy73mIoCy0foCZjSdnHngNmnkhaGVKnmuUQAAOw==" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDgAOAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAAOAA4AAAIdjI8Jy73mIoCy0foCZjSdnHngNmnkhaGVKnmuUQAAOw==" style="cursor: pointer;"> <a name="28279">Spam control styling comment</a>
[03:54:46] <Bytram> <span id="comment_score_28279" class="score">(Score:-1, Spam)</span>
[03:54:46] <Bytram> <a href="//dev.soylentnews.org/comments.pl?op=unspam&amp;sid=1163&amp;cid=28279">Unspam and Ban</a> or <a href="//dev.soylentnews.org/comments.pl?op=unspam&amp;sid=1163&amp;cid=28279&amp;noban=1">Unspam Only</a>
[03:54:46] <Bytram> </h4>
[03:55:22] <juggs> fuck me use pastebin or something :D
[03:56:37] <chromas> now that's what I call a sticky situation
[03:57:04] <juggs> what's sticky chromas?
[03:57:24] <chromas> fucking + paste
[03:57:36] <chromas> terrible_jokes++
[03:57:36] <Bender> karma - terrible_jokes: 1
[03:57:41] <Bytram> and now I have:
[03:57:41] <Bytram> <h4><img title="Close Comment" sxct_hover="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDgAOAIAAAMzMzAAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAAOAA4AAAIdjI8Jy73mIoCy0foCZjSdnHngNmnkhaGVKnmuUQAAOw==" src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDgAOAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAAOAA4AAAIdjI8Jy73mIoCy0foCZjSdnHngNmnkhaGVKnmuUQAAOw==" style="cursor: pointer;"> <a name="28279">Spam control styling comment</a>
[03:57:41] <Bytram> <span id="comment_score_28279" class="score">(Score:-1, Spam)</span>
[03:57:41] <Bytram> <div class="SpamControl">[<a href="//dev.soylentnews.org/comments.pl?op=unspam&amp;sid=1163&amp;cid=28279&amp;noban=1">Unspam-Only</a>] or <a href="//dev.soylentnews.org/comments.pl?op=unspam&amp;sid=1163&amp;cid=28279">[Unspam-and-Ban</a>]</div>
[03:57:46] <Bytram> </h4>
[03:57:50] <Bytram> and it works perfectly.
[03:58:46] <LancePodstrong> so can anyone just start a variable and increment it with bender?
[03:59:07] <Bytram> LancePodStrong++ # yes, and can leave a comment as to why, too!
[03:59:07] <Bender> karma - lancepodstrong: 1
[03:59:09] <chromas> yes++
[03:59:09] <Bender> karma - yes: 2
[03:59:19] <Bytram> !whoup lancepodstrong
[03:59:19] <Bender> uppers of lancepodstrong are: Bytram: 1
[03:59:25] <chromas> !whyup LancePodstrong
[03:59:25] <Bender> reasons for karma up are: yes, and can leave a comment as to why, too!
[03:59:33] <Bytram> =)
[03:59:35] <LancePodstrong> awesome
[03:59:53] <Bytram> LancePodStrong++
[03:59:53] <Bender> karma - lancepodstrong: 2
[03:59:55] <chromas> poutine-- and decrement it too
[03:59:55] <Bender> karma - poutine: -377
[04:00:11] <LancePodstrong> LancesCannabisIntake++
[04:00:11] <Bender> karma - lancescannabisintake: 1
[04:00:21] <SpallsHurgenson> but watch out for the tricksy bot owners who may mess with your head
[04:00:24] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee++
[04:00:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1004
[04:00:26] <LancePodstrong> poutine--
[04:00:26] <Bender> karma - poutine: -378
[04:00:33] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[04:00:33] <Bender> karma - tea: 377
[04:00:34] <Bytram> notice how it is case-insensitive to locating pre-existing "variables" -- you'll be in lowercase forever, now.
[04:00:41] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: you can bypass that
[04:00:48] <chromas> Coffee--
[04:00:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1003
[04:00:51] <Bytram> tea--
[04:00:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 376
[04:01:01] <LancePodstrong> :)
[04:01:17] <Bytram> LancePodstrong: btw, GREAT nick!
[04:01:24] <Bytram> !uid
[04:01:25] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5029, owned by LancePodstrong
[04:01:37] <chromas> LancePodstrong++ # registering
[04:01:37] <Bender> karma - lancepodstrong: 3
[04:01:48] <Bytram> and a happy welcome to the newest member of our community
[04:02:11] <Bytram> ~time London
[04:02:13] <exec> Tuesday, 27 January 2015 @ 4:02 am GMT - London, UK
[04:02:20] <LancePodstrong> been lurking for a long time
[04:02:21] <Bytram> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[04:02:22] <exec> Monday, 26 January 2015 @ 10:02 pm CST - Ada, OK, USA
[04:02:56] <Bytram> well then, thanks for delurking, or unlurking, or dislurking, or ... whatever!
[04:02:59] <Bytram> nograb
[04:03:17] <Bytram> bacon++
[04:03:17] <Bender> karma - bacon: 286
[04:03:36] * Bytram did that for good old time's sake.
[04:03:38] <LancePodstrong> curious what you interpret out of the name
[04:03:39] <juggs> Bytram, if that works shove it in an email for tmb's perusal on his awakening pls :)
[04:03:53] <chromas> bacon++ # soon it will be 386sx
[04:03:53] <Bender> karma - bacon: 287
[04:03:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:04:05] <juggs> A cyclist who drinks to much pod coffee?
[04:04:09] <juggs> too*
[04:04:28] <Bytram> chromas: LOL! Took me a bit to catch onto that one... absolutely *brilliant*
[04:04:58] <Bytram> well, let me get that e-mail done and then I'll be back.
[04:05:06] <Bytram> away for a bit
[04:05:07] <juggs> ty Bytram
[04:05:15] <LancePodstrong> http://www.stasiareport.com
[04:07:14] <Bytram> juggs: would you like a CC on that e-mail?
[04:07:29] <chromas> are those pods?
[04:07:41] <juggs> Bytram, sure
[04:07:49] <chromas> s/(\?)/ of strength\1/
[04:07:49] <SedNotABot> <chromas> are those pods of strength?
[04:07:59] <Bytram> juggs: I'm assuming you are: your nick @ soylentnews.org ??
[04:08:56] <LancePodstrong> opium poppies
[04:09:07] <LancePodstrong> poppy pods being lanced
[04:09:23] <juggs> Bytram, yes
[04:09:39] <Bytram> kthnx
[04:09:54] <chromas> double_entendres++
[04:09:54] <Bender> karma - double_entendres: 1
[04:10:48] <LancePodstrong> my kidneys are fucked up and one year since i am a great gardener i decided to try growing opium instead of buying super expensive drugs from the pharmacy
[04:10:52] <LancePodstrong> it was pretty nifty
[04:11:38] <LancePodstrong> nature made it right the first time
[04:11:56] <juggs> Nothing like a field of lurid poppies to tip the enforcement types off :D
[04:12:11] <LancePodstrong> i'm pretty sure our system is set up so that they can ban what the peopel can make for themselves and profit from manufacturing more potent and addictive versions
[04:12:24] <LancePodstrong> i could rant all day
[04:13:19] <LancePodstrong> i'm passing a kidney stone right now
[04:16:32] <mythterj> Oh, I've passed a couple of those. Start Walking.
[04:18:51] <LancePodstrong> get the old guts a jiggling
[04:19:33] <juggs> We use Extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy (ESWL) to break those buggers up into smaller pieces here if over a certain size
[04:20:09] <mythterj> Yup, you feel compelled to walk, because it hurts less. I've even hopped on a bike and did 10 fast miles once.
[04:20:41] <mythterj> Got there, and pain was gone. Passed it on the next pee.
[04:21:06] <LancePodstrong> this bugger is stuck in the valve above my bladder
[04:21:11] <LancePodstrong> it's so close to popping through but not quite
[04:21:17] <LancePodstrong> it's been there for about three, four weeks?
[04:21:44] <LancePodstrong> i could get the surgery if i wanted but it's kinda terrifying
[04:21:51] <LancePodstrong> the stone's not that big so it should eventually pass
[04:22:03] * SpallsHurgenson can't wait for this conversation to move on to hemorroids :)
[04:22:26] <mythterj> Long as you can pee. When that stops, its 911 time.
[04:22:30] <juggs> invasive surgery for a kidney stone is really rare these days
[04:22:58] <mythterj> Don't evern get old Spalls... ;-)
[04:23:12] -!- Ethanol-fueled [Ethanol-fueled!~ae4441aa@ag338-84-67-527.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #Soylent
[04:23:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Bleech. Finished da assignment
[04:23:51] <mythterj> The subject is kidney stones Ethanol. Any recommendations?
[04:24:05] <Ethanol-fueled> drink more water.
[04:24:06] <LancePodstrong> i've heard it said alcohol can help pass them by relaxing the muscles
[04:24:19] <juggs> PHP's out Eth?
[04:24:29] * SpallsHurgenson makes note: don't get old.
[04:24:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Have access to a facility that has one of those ultrasonic thingies that can vibrate the kidney stone apart rather than make you pass it.
[04:24:57] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, I'm done with the assignment logic. Now for a break before prettying it up with some CSS.
[04:25:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, PHP'd out.
[04:26:02] <Ethanol-fueled> kidney stones...man, what a horror.
[04:26:12] <Ethanol-fueled> It's like peeing out the business-end of a mace.
[04:26:30] <Ethanol-fueled> if any of you are having problems wtih stones, best no google what they look like.
[04:26:35] <Ethanol-fueled> the anticipation will make it worse.
[04:27:04] <LancePodstrong> i'm curious to examine it
[04:27:41] <Ethanol-fueled> if you can imagine a ball made of razor blades, that's pretty much what it looks like.
[04:28:03] <Ethanol-fueled> dem crystals, you know?
[04:31:00] <juggs> Close-ups of the uric acid deposits that cause gout are likewise horrifying - to think those things form in the soft tissue around joints... blergh... no wonder it's a painful condition, they're like little needle formations.
[04:31:04] <mythterj> Mine were pretty rounded, just a bit bigger than #5 birdshot. When clink when it hit the urninal.
[04:31:22] <mythterj> (and no, I didn't fish it out).
[04:32:05] <juggs> shoulda pee'd through a sieve :D
[04:32:48] <LancePodstrong> they gave me some filter things to pee through to try an catch it
[04:33:30] <juggs> lol To what end?
[04:33:31] <ciri> rofl
[04:33:40] <mythterj> First one went into the cup at the doctors office. He was delighte! Joyfull even. Sent it off to the lab for an assay.
[04:33:43] <LancePodstrong> they analyze them to figure out why they're caused
[04:34:00] <chromas> Yeah, save them and turn them into jewelry. SoylentJewels
[04:34:03] <LancePodstrong> i've been passing lots of them but they've all been little so far. this is the first one big enough to show up on CAT scan
[04:34:15] <Ethanol-fueled> you guys need to drink more water
[04:34:15] <LancePodstrong> well that's what i thought chromas i'm sad they want to analyze it
[04:34:18] <LancePodstrong> it would be cool to have
[04:34:46] <Ethanol-fueled> drink more water, eat less creatine.
[04:34:52] <LancePodstrong> my kidneys are just fuct up i actually drink more than a gallon of fluid a day
[04:34:53] <mythterj> He will mail it too you for the price of a sixpack mayge?
[04:35:14] <Ethanol-fueled> phpmyadmin++
[04:35:14] <Bender> karma - phpmyadmin: 1
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[04:47:54] <Bytram> juggs: TheMightyBuzzard: e-mail sent!
[04:48:39] <Ethanol-fueled> allright, back to work.
[04:48:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Later, fellas.
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[04:50:54] <juggs> Thanks Bytram :)
[04:51:13] <Bytram> and I needs to be going as well; if they don't cancel work because of the blizzard, I'll need to get up extra early to make it on time.
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[04:51:42] <juggs> ok - sleep well and hope you don't get snowed in!
[04:51:53] <SpallsHurgenson> blizzard... that's a snow thing, right?
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[04:57:22] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I believe so. UK Met office is issuing warnings here because some roads may receive a whole 3cm of the stuff. The horrors!
[04:57:56] <juggs> We probably need a law to make snow illegal.
[04:57:58] <LancePodstrong> meanwhile, in minnesota, it's abnormally warm with a melting snowpack
[05:02:19] <SpallsHurgenson> one day I too shall experience this wonder they call "snow"; perhaps when I am older
[05:04:36] <LancePodstrong> it's not that wonderful
[05:04:44] <LancePodstrong> only the first few times
[05:06:24] <SpallsHurgenson> oh I dunno, I wouldn't mind 18-30 inches of snow
[05:06:59] <arti> do you work from home or something?
[05:07:03] <juggs> It's great when there is plenty of it, you're on a slope, have a board strapped to your feet and time to slide down said slope with powered means to go from bottom to top of said slope. Otherwise, it's just a nuisance.
[05:07:13] <arti> agreed.
[05:07:50] <chromas> We used to have winter. Not this year
[05:07:56] * chromas blames Microsoft
[05:08:30] <arti> you can tell new york that
[05:08:38] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, that's my line!
[05:08:42] <arti> also the midwest, and global warming~~~~~
[05:09:10] <SpallsHurgenson> New York had 68 degrees on January 5th. Winter isn't all it's cracked up to be there either :)
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[05:14:13] <SpallsHurgenson> Drink! Feck! Goyls!
[05:20:28] <juggs> urmagurd are we going to get into a whole weather != climate "discussion" next? It's been unseasonably warm here today, but by Wednesday snow and ice, yet I remember snow in early April as a kid, herp derp hence there is / isn't warming and if there is / isn't my single point of observation proves it must be wrong. Shall we do the vaccination discussion next?
[05:21:18] <SpallsHurgenson> vacccinations cause global warming!
[05:22:11] * chromas puts an onion under the bed to keep the heat out
[05:22:36] <LancePodstrong> lol
[05:22:37] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[05:22:45] <juggs> I'm sure you can find some correlation there - just produce a chart and stick it on a website, surround it with some scary words, plaster it with ads for super-berry of the week and you'll come out golden SpallsHurgenson
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[05:28:27] <juggs> SN's most viewed stories are the Anon vs. Paedo, Nutrition Myths and the GMO Mosquito one. Fear sells I guess :/
[05:30:19] <chromas> .[SoylentNews] - Beta is Coming to Touch Your Children - http://sylnt.us - death-from-behind
[05:30:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  White House Locked Down after Small Drone Found on Grounds 04(13 comments) ( http://soylentnews.org )
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[05:30:34] <chromas> dammit bot, ignore .
[05:31:23] <juggs> Should we be concerned that you can't control your own bot chromas?
[05:31:37] <chromas> N—no, not at all
[05:32:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm prety sure that the bot controls chromas. all evidence points to this.
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[05:32:31] <chromas> [SoylentNews] irc bots are gunning for you - I-knew-it
[05:32:33] <juggs> I'm not sure we want to go down as the Soylent Singularity Event that caused the end of civilisation.... mind you there'd be no readable record
[05:33:47] <SpallsHurgenson> certainly not if the bots were programmed in php
[05:34:09] <LancePodstrong> alrighty folks i'm off to bed
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[05:37:51] <chromas> oh that's dumb, the next character after a bot prefix has to be a letter. Who wrote this?
[05:39:59] <juggs> Someone who googled a regex?
[05:46:42] <Konomi> http://www.egscomics.com
[05:46:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03El Goonish Shive - EGS:NP - 2015-01-23
[05:49:53] <chromas> the other girl should've been drawn fat too
[06:12:28] <juggs> My ISP is awesome - apparently I just fixed a problem with my microfilter setup by clicking some buttons on their self-serve diagnostic website. I never knew it was possible to re-arrange physical copper connections remotely by merely clicking website buttons. I must be living in the future... or then again maybe it's just a BS logically retarded self-help system designed to deflect calls. /sarc
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[06:23:56] <chromas> Don't be so cynical, man. They obviously have tech support robots steered by cgi scripts
[06:25:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Gunning for Google, wants Cop-spotting Dropped from Waze App - http://sylnt.us - Not-that-NSA,-the-other-one.
[06:26:31] <Konomi> https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
[06:26:37] <Konomi> laser kitty can see into your soul
[06:30:11] <juggs> I'm dreading calling them. At the moment I am in the initial 10 day "training" period, where the line gets monitored and SNRM targets adjusted to suit the line characteristics. This I understand having worked in DSL land. The implementation is really bad though. Somehow their automated systems will bump me from 10Mbps DS / 1.3 US with 6dB SNRM to 1Mbps DS / 100Kbps US with the same attenuation and yet still maintain 6dB SNRM. Either there's some ma
[06:30:11] <juggs> ssive RF noise events going on or their router interface tells porkies!
[06:31:42] <juggs> NSA in that headline is national sheriff association - we shouldn't be click baiting like that
[06:37:25] <crutchy> did you start a new job juggs ?
[06:37:44] <juggs> why do you ask crutchy?
[06:38:03] <crutchy> initial 10 day "training" period
[06:38:14] <crutchy> sorry i'm just reading the tail end
[06:39:15] <Konomi> DSL is shit -.-
[06:39:31] <Konomi> your best bet for any stability on it is to get a ddwrt rotuer and look up or implement a script I seen
[06:39:34] <juggs> Nah, if I had I'd be on the MSAN applying my own line profile and taking it out of the automated crap
[06:39:43] <Konomi> it basically would ping periodically and cap the connection according to what keeps the pings low
[06:40:15] * crutchy uses the spider web
[06:42:49] <juggs> Konomi, your best bet is befriending a tech at your ISP and getting a custom line profile if you are on (A)(S)(V)DSL. There's a metric fuckton of parameters that can be tweaked to suit individual lines - yet only 3 or 4 are ever put into the automated line management systems.
[06:45:30] <juggs> The automated systems are setup for call avoidance on the whole at the expense of performance. Understandable I suppose when the majority of buyers buy on price alone.
[06:51:03] <juggs> ~time crutchy
[06:51:09] <exec> Tuesday, 27 January 2015 @ 5:51 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC
[06:52:04] * crutchy is stuffing face with tomato and garlic pasta
[07:02:46] <crutchy> is this gold chart wrong? https://www.bullionvault.com
[07:02:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Gold Price Chart - Live spot gold rates and silver prices - BullionVault
[07:03:03] <crutchy> or is bloomberg just flat our lying? http://www.businessweek.com
[07:03:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Gold Heads for Longest Losing Run This Year Before Fed Meeting - Businessweek
[07:06:27] <Konomi> juggs: hard to do that here ;p
[07:07:06] <crutchy> aussie broadband has one tinker setting
[07:07:14] <crutchy> but i didn't notice much difference
[07:09:56] <crutchy> the profile selector gives option of 2+ Standard, 2+ LLP, 2+ High Speed, 2+ Long Distance, ADSL2+ 8M-1M and 3M-1M
[07:10:23] <crutchy> mine is set to 2+ High Speed, whatever that means
[07:15:09] <juggs> crutchy, yah you'd need to get hands on with DSLAM / MSAN kit to explore the potential. Not that it is worth the effort, by the time you do copper in the local loop will be gone and you'd be best served having knowledge about wave and time division multiplexing - not that those are exactly new tech.
[07:16:29] <crutchy> if i stuck one of those tall guyed antenna poles on my roof i'd prolly just about get line of sight to the exchange
[07:16:43] <crutchy> maybe i could rig up some kinda "laser" thingy
[07:17:46] <crutchy> i'm sorta in the middle of a big flat spot on a rise and the exchange is down the bottom of the hill
[07:18:40] <crutchy> apparently you can get line of sight antennas that get professionally fitted. work was looking at one for offsite backup
[07:18:51] <juggs> Business opportunity. microwave or wifi link to fibre backhaul, sell access.
[07:19:56] <juggs> If you have line of sight you can push some serious bandwidth through the aether.
[07:20:35] <crutchy> the pole might have to be pretty tall. i'm not sure how high line of sight is to the bottom of the hill tbh
[07:21:15] <juggs> Mast on top of hill as a repeater?
[07:21:19] <Konomi> http://www.theguardian.com
[07:21:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media | Technology | The Guardian
[07:21:30] <Konomi> thought this was obvious but okay ;p
[07:21:52] <crutchy> social media? there's an oxymoron if ever i heard one
[07:22:07] <crutchy> facecrap is about as social as i am
[07:23:11] <crutchy> hmm not really oxymoron, but definitely moron
[07:23:30] <crutchy> damn my vobablijerary not being very big
[07:23:36] <Konomi> I think facecrap is a little more social than you ;p
[07:23:46] <Konomi> just a little though
[07:24:14] <crutchy> but i have 55 friends here! :d
[07:24:36] <Konomi> you count the bots?
[07:24:38] <crutchy> including myself and my automoron :D
[07:25:10] <crutchy> ciri and i are besties
[07:25:18] <crutchy> ciri: spank tama
[07:25:21] <crutchy> :/
[07:25:31] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[07:25:32] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The REAL Bill Cosby - by Hal Hefner - Imgur
[07:26:03] <Konomi> zombie cosby is go
[07:26:53] * crutchy wonders if hal has a key to the back door of the playboy mansion
[07:27:13] <crutchy> lucky bastard
[07:28:35] <crutchy> my belly is full of pasta
[07:29:01] <JamesNZ> TMI.
[07:29:14] * Konomi nods
[07:29:26] <ar> moin
[07:29:30] <juggs> Oh wow it got late here, upside down people are to blame. /me walks like an Egyptian to a papyrus bed.
[07:29:48] <crutchy> ¿
[07:30:07] * juggs Poisons minds on the way out https://www.youtube.com feel the pop!!!!
[07:30:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Bangles - Walk like an Egyptian - YouTube
[07:30:12] <juggs> muahahahaha
[07:30:32] <Konomi> already got it downloaded
[07:30:35] <Konomi> try harder \o/
[07:30:36] <Konomi> http://hosted.ap.org
[07:30:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03News from The Associated Press ( http://hosted.ap.org )
[07:30:38] <JamesNZ> 7o7 ГoГ
[07:30:57] <Konomi> lol
[07:31:01] <crutchy> i think i have a couple of bangles tracks
[07:31:23] <crutchy> i think the monday one is by bangles?
[07:31:34] <crutchy> i dont like mondays or summin
[07:31:46] <crutchy> haven't listened to it for while
[07:31:59] <crutchy> i fucking hate mondays
[07:32:14] * crutchy stabs monday with a fork
[07:32:39] <JamesNZ> Violence Is Never Ok!
[07:32:55] <crutchy> yes konomi
[07:33:12] <Konomi> not cool crutchy not cool!
[07:33:27] <Konomi> https://imgur.com then the telephone cables at the pole
[07:33:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Electricians nightmare in Ho Chi Minh City - Imgur
[07:33:57] <crutchy> oh wow
[07:34:22] <crutchy> suddenly my lighting issue doesn't seem so insurmountable
[07:34:32] <Konomi> thor just hates you
[07:34:50] <crutchy> or my shit pipe
[07:35:20] <chromas> Fire down below
[07:35:53] <crutchy> what genius thought of putting a big arse metal pipe reaching 8 ft above the roof and connected directly to an iron sewer pipe going down into the ground?
[07:36:25] * JamesNZ tiptoes away guiltily
[07:36:37] <crutchy> hmm actually that prolly ok. what genius though of putting a lighting circuit within a few feet of it
[07:39:25] <crutchy> http://i.imgur.com
[07:40:19] <crutchy> http://english.cri.cn
[07:40:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Utility Poles Become Overloaded with Cords in Hanoi, Vietnam
[07:40:43] <crutchy> hehe. damn you and your subliminal thought making stuff Konomi
[07:41:38] <Konomi> ;p
[07:41:45] <crutchy> http://i.imgur.com
[07:42:17] <ar> i wonder how many of these cables are actually needed
[07:43:01] <Konomi> all of them
[07:43:08] * Konomi clutches the cables defensively
[07:44:40] <crutchy> they should just make a big net over the street and lay the cables in a grid
[07:45:03] <crutchy> or just chuck the cables on the net wherever
[07:45:09] <Konomi> spider technition spider technition
[07:51:40] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[07:51:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[07:51:44] <Konomi> cause I can
[07:52:23] <JamesNZ> cables--
[07:52:23] <Bender> karma - cables: -1
[07:52:38] <JamesNZ> Cables are the intestines of Lucifer.
[07:52:51] <JamesNZ> Spewed from his mouth to torture us all.
[07:53:32] * Konomi uses the cables for a ritual "hail satan!"
[07:54:36] * JamesNZ shakes a cross-shaped wi-fi AP at Konomi
[07:54:50] * Konomi hisses and retreats
[07:54:55] * Konomi np: Miami Supercops - KUMITE ! [186469933] [SoundCloud download - audio only].mp3 :: 7.4M :: DeaDBeef 0.6.2
[07:54:59] <Konomi> \o/
[07:56:42] <Konomi> it never ends...
[07:56:44] <Konomi> https://www.techdirt.com
[07:56:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The TSA Wants To Read Your Facebook Posts And Check Out Your Purchases Before It Will Approve You For PreCheck | Techdirt
[07:57:05] <ar> and what if i'd claim i have no facebook account?
[07:57:59] <Konomi> do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars go to the anal cavity search room you commie terrorist
[07:58:02] <Konomi> etc
[08:01:41] <crutchy> "This will involve a new pre-screening process to weed out terrorists by looking through a variety of "commercial data" sources."
[08:01:48] <crutchy> who comes up with that crap?
[08:02:43] <crutchy> can you imagine if the TSA came to Australia?
[08:02:55] <Konomi> the rubber gloves either have "Welcome to the USA" on them or "Freedom"
[08:02:56] <Konomi> ;p
[08:03:21] <crutchy> they should make a Fat Pizza TSA Episode
[08:03:37] <crutchy> Fat Pizza goes to America
[08:04:04] <Konomi> nsfw https://pbs.twimg.com
[08:05:06] <crutchy> yeah i saw that in the google news thingy. sounds pretty bad
[08:05:17] <crutchy> well, not 'that'
[08:06:52] <ar> Konomi: what's nsfw there?
[08:07:01] <crutchy> kkkooomooogaaaawdisfoolysick@ http://www.hoyts.com.au
[08:07:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fat Pizza Vs Housos | HOYTS
[08:07:13] <Konomi> copious swearing ;p
[08:07:35] <crutchy> to be fair there is a dick in it
[08:08:03] <Konomi> idk how strict some work places are for people so I generally tag anything close to a problem
[08:08:43] <ar> also, cheesecake!
[08:08:52] * ar gives Konomi some cheesecake
[08:08:58] * Konomi noms it
[08:09:49] <crutchy> walk into the office where i work and you'll hear someone saying fuck any day of the week. i think its kinda frowned upon but a lot of shit we deal with is fuckworthy
[08:11:25] <crutchy> thankfully the bosses aren't stuck up wankers
[08:13:54] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[08:13:55] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03TSA Eric Cartman "Toilet Safety Administration" Gerald Broflovski - YouTube
[08:14:29] <crutchy> if that's the scene i'm thinking of, ima not opening till kiddies go to bed :D
[08:14:45] <crutchy> "i'm a big boy... i do big boy poops"
[08:14:50] <arti> indeed
[08:15:22] <crutchy> "mind if i check inside ya aysehole sir"
[08:15:54] <arti> the freedom fondle
[08:16:12] <crutchy> the episode where butters mom dies is funny too
[08:16:20] <crutchy> i think its was butters mom
[08:16:28] <crutchy> she got eaten by the toilet or summin
[08:16:32] <arti> sucked out
[08:16:36] <crutchy> ah yeah
[08:16:46] <arti> this is why you make sure the seat is down
[08:16:47] <crutchy> cos she didn't sit facing the cistern :d
[08:16:55] <crutchy> oh yeah that's right
[08:17:27] <crutchy> butters sitting facing the other way cos then you can read your books and stuff... classic
[08:19:10] <arti> i really liked this season, i didn't watch them when they came out, was sorta late
[08:22:19] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:22:20] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03HOUSOs Vs Trent from Punchy - YouTube
[08:23:16] <arti> sounds almost like he's saying black instead of bloke
[08:23:37] <crutchy> housos++
[08:23:37] <Bender> karma - housos: 1
[08:23:44] <crutchy> same guys as fat pizza
[08:23:49] <crutchy> awesome stuff :D
[08:24:57] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:24:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03HOUSOs "Reality"! - YouTube
[08:25:00] <crutchy> lmao!
[08:27:52] <arti> lol
[08:28:42] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:28:43] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03HOUSOS Vs AUTHORITY - bloody better quality - YouTube
[08:28:58] <crutchy> i'm gunna have to find this. i didn't realise there was a movie
[08:33:26] <Subsentient> $wz
[08:33:26] <aqu4> 3[1 of 1] Name: Cyan Fire | Map: ConcreteSquared-T1 | Host: SubSen MOEPP | Players: 4/8 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.2
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[09:04:53] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:04:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fat Pizza S03E02 Terror Pizza - YouTube
[09:05:02] <crutchy> ^ arti
[09:06:04] <crutchy> "i was straight on the boat to hashganistan, fighting the talibums"
[09:13:28] <arti> "you're gonna have to use the cave"
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[09:16:45] <ar> https://www.youtube.com - 60fps video na atari 800xl
[09:16:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0360 fps video on Atari with SIDE 2 cartridge - YouTube
[09:17:06] <arti> crutchy lol
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[09:27:48] <geotti_away> wtf, crutchy, he's smoking his pizza
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[09:28:06] <crutchy> hash pizza :D
[09:33:35] <geotti> it's a bit over the top, though
[09:33:49] <crutchy> just a bit
[09:33:52] <crutchy> ;p
[09:34:09] <crutchy> off the wall over the top :)
[09:34:48] <geotti> heh
[09:36:00] <geotti> what to do... hmm
[09:36:10] <geotti> openqrm, erpnext or fix some puters
[10:07:04] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:07:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Housos Vs Authority Sneak Peak Part 2 - YouTube
[11:11:37] <Konomi> someone recommended a talk from Geroge Dyson to me and it's about computers
[11:11:56] <Konomi> this guy needs to stick to the philosophical dept of his uni' cause he sounds like a tool honestly
[11:12:30] <Konomi> doesn't sound like he understands computers at a fundamental level at all
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[11:19:44] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[11:19:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Richard Hammond grants Emilia's Rays of Sunshine wish to go in a pink Lamborghini! - YouTube
[11:32:50] <Konomi> http://www.dailymotion.com
[11:32:51] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03George Dyson - A UNIVERSE OF SELF-REPLICATING CODE - Video Dailymotion
[11:32:57] <Konomi> if anyone wants to see the video I was talking about
[11:34:28] <crutchy> ++coffee
[11:34:28] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 236
[11:38:33] <Konomi> caffeine++
[11:38:33] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 70
[12:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:02:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1004
[12:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin all
[12:12:34] <Konomi> morning comrade \o/
[12:25:01] <crutchy> allah snackbar!
[12:25:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm... snackbar...
[12:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, found yet another bug
[12:32:03] <crutchy> need moar complexity
[12:34:23] * crutchy wonders if it would be possible to develop code that debugs itself
[12:35:29] <crutchy> and creates its own goals, and adds its own features
[12:36:18] <crutchy> i've heard of self-modifying code before. i guess viruses would be pretty close but they don't debug their selfs
[12:38:07] <Konomi> you just basically said "wonder if I could make self aware code" ;p
[12:38:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you do NOT want slashcode to become skynet
[12:38:42] <Konomi> forever burnt eyes with that perl hackery
[12:38:47] <crutchy> nah self-awareness is how philosophers thing of AI
[12:39:07] <Konomi> pretty sure you mean think
[12:39:18] <crutchy> you don't need to be smart to destroy humanity. you just need bigger guns
[12:39:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you needed to be smart, humans wouldn't be in danger of doing it
[12:39:43] <Konomi> just give them iPhones it's less messy
[12:39:50] <Konomi> :3
[12:40:18] <crutchy> iphones are a good strategy to make the opposition more stupid, so i guess in comparison it makes the AI smarter
[12:41:32] <crutchy> i don't think self-debugging code would need to be very smart. it might be pretty abstract though
[12:42:05] <Konomi> you'd have to solve the halting problem first ;p
[12:42:19] <crutchy> sort of TDD but with the ability to change itself in order to pass tests
[12:42:40] <crutchy> a botnet?
[12:42:59] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[12:43:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Halting problem
[12:45:34] <crutchy> gotta love these guys that claim things are impossible
[12:45:47] <crutchy> they're only impossible till they're proven otherwise
[12:45:57] <Konomi> you're impossible crutchy
[12:46:12] <crutchy> nothing can possibly travel faster than the speed of light
[12:46:25] <crutchy> perpetual motion is impossible
[12:46:29] <crutchy> the world is flat
[12:46:30] <Konomi> nothing can travel at the speed of light*
[12:46:32] <crutchy> blah blah
[12:46:42] <crutchy> religious kooks the lot of em
[12:46:47] <Konomi> no one ever said faster than for that statement
[12:46:51] <Konomi> unless they were a moron
[12:46:57] <crutchy> they are
[12:47:47] <crutchy> an open mind is much more promising
[12:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> an open blouse even moreso
[12:48:12] <crutchy> "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it"
[12:48:24] <crutchy> hehe. true that TheMightyBuzzard
[12:48:56] <crutchy> but the halting problem does look like a doozy
[12:49:21] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure i won't be solving it :p
[12:50:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> look to compilers. they debug the code they compile to some degree.
[12:50:56] <crutchy> delphi++
[12:50:56] <Bender> karma - delphi: 30
[12:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> also fitness tests from genetic algorithms
[12:52:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... that should have given me debug info
[12:52:37] <crutchy> the halting problem wiki page seems to focus a lot on maths and decisions. i don't think of software like that
[12:52:56] <crutchy> while (1) {} will never halt unless you turn the computer off
[12:53:08] <crutchy> or ctrl+c
[12:53:27] <crutchy> i don't really know what they're on about, but meh. i'm a dumarse
[12:55:15] <crutchy> a program that debugs itself also conceptually doesn't need any inputs, like the infinite loop
[12:55:31] * TheMightyBuzzard beats his head against the wall
[12:56:34] <crutchy> and if a program changed itself in a way that caused it to commit suicide, you could have others in the botnet restore the code from before the suicide and restart it with the knowledge that the last change caused the suicide
[12:57:10] <crutchy> so you have one instance of the program act as the crash test dummy
[13:00:01] * Konomi puts a pillow in front of TheMightyBuzzard
[13:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> missing some very simple logic here but i can't see it
[13:01:32] <crutchy> i might leave you to your bugs. midnight here and i gots work tomorrow. good luck mate. i'm sure you'll squash it
[13:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, sleeps well
[13:07:26] <Konomi> don't dream about spiders
[13:07:29] <Konomi> like lots of spiders
[13:07:32] <Konomi> in your pillow or something
[13:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! hahahaha! found it!
[13:20:16] <Konomi> the spiders?
[13:20:26] * Konomi hides
[13:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, winter here. no spiders.
[13:21:12] <Konomi> I wonder how the SN code looks vs the /. current code
[13:21:15] <Konomi> be so interested to see
[13:22:55] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[13:22:55] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Still from Kung Fury (an upcoming Swedish martial arts comedy film) - Imgur
[13:22:57] <Konomi> wat.
[13:22:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> well theirs is running on mod_perl2 and apache2.x
[13:23:06] <Konomi> what does sn run on?
[13:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1.x and 1.3 respectively
[13:23:31] <Konomi> hmm okay
[13:23:44] <Konomi> does mod_perl imply a higher version of perl is used over 1?
[13:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> we haven't gotten a few sticky spots out the way to port it.
[13:23:49] <Konomi> mod_perl2*
[13:24:14] <Konomi> I've only done my small little projects none of them have been web facing ;p
[13:24:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> not necessarily. in this case though, there's a max version for mod_perl that's like 5.14
[13:24:20] <Konomi> in perl that is
[13:24:30] <Konomi> 5.20 being the common one atm
[13:24:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> or 5.17. i forget
[13:24:44] <Konomi> aren't they working on perl 6 or something and it's going to be radically different?
[13:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we won't be using it
[13:25:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell i probably won't be using it.
[13:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i lurve me some perl
[13:25:12] <Konomi> i don't mind them doing it as long as they keep fixing up the 5.20 branch
[13:25:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:25:40] <Konomi> languages need to evolve but got to support the previous version until it makes sense to phase it out
[13:25:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a freaking vm more than anything. you can write your own syntax for it.
[13:25:59] <Konomi> apache is a good example of covering all the bases
[13:26:08] <Konomi> 1x to 2x was pretty painless for most
[13:26:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not gonna be for us but thas okay
[13:27:05] <Konomi> still working on this memory leak
[13:27:13] <Konomi> I wish I'd made the loop infinit or something like a month
[13:27:16] <Konomi> 2015-01-28 00:24.txt:UsedDedicatedGPUMemory: 682
[13:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[13:27:48] <Konomi> it's pretty obvious it's leaking by this pont
[13:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> my bug for the day: blah = $score vs. blah = $score->[0]
[13:27:57] <Konomi> I'm just waiting for it to start affecting xorg/gl apps
[13:28:04] <Konomi> ha
[13:28:18] <Konomi> if I wrote slashcode it would be nice
[13:28:24] <Konomi> and would take 10 years due to my ocd
[13:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> give a whack at just a theme. they're kinda fun.
[13:28:52] <Konomi> I spend me too much time on designs
[13:29:24] <Konomi> the other day I was complaining to my SO about puting a if defined check in a loop
[13:29:46] <Konomi> she was like "you got to stop doing this checking defined variables in a loop is not going to impact performance"
[13:30:02] <Konomi> *insert me whining about it* ;p
[13:30:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a rule about that. make it work first then make it fast.
[13:30:42] <Konomi> it's my OCD it's a curse ;_;
[13:30:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are places something NEEDS to be checked for being defined.
[13:31:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Can We Protect our Information in the Era of Cloud Computing ? - http://sylnt.us - what-goes-around-comes-around
[13:31:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> like a lot of places in slash. cause the error log tells me all about it.
[13:31:12] <Konomi> yeah I'm starting to think i should use it by default in all my functions
[13:31:18] <Konomi> well subs
[13:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly should
[13:31:28] * Konomi groans at inconsistences between languages
[13:31:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's generally better than if($var)
[13:31:53] * Konomi pulls out soap box and climbs up it "JUST CALL THEM FUCKING FUNCTIONS GAHHHH"
[13:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you gotta if(defined($var) && $var)
[13:32:23] <Konomi> for functions I prefer something like
[13:32:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> for cases where it's defined as zero
[13:32:35] <Konomi> if (not defined($var) { return; }
[13:32:56] <Konomi> avoids uneeded indentation
[13:33:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, some places it's okay for something to be undefined as long as you don't try to use it
[13:33:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i like doing oneliners if it takes less than 40 characters
[13:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me a moment, going to commit this change
[13:34:12] <Konomi> I have to move in the next few months so coding isn't on my mind much lately
[13:34:15] <Konomi> not seriously anyway
[13:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's that
[13:35:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm moving in like 3 weeks.
[13:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i gotta get this crap out the door cause it's massively late
[13:38:18] <Konomi> it's fine feel free to ignore me ;p
[13:40:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, meant that's why i'm coding and not packing
[13:40:37] <Konomi> ah ;p
[13:40:53] <Konomi> I also have people waiting on one of my projects >.<
[13:41:25] <Konomi> this is why I donb't help out with slash so much struggling with my shell packages I maintain already ;p[
[13:43:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg
[13:44:21] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[13:44:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03From Dream Catalog - Imgur
[13:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> whoosh
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[14:01:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, deploying fix for yesterday's bug to dev as we speak.
[14:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> pull request is on github awaiting your mocking
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[14:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, juggs: going fishing in two hours. want to get some use from my state license while i'm still in state since move date is now set at valentines day.
[14:32:02] <LancePodstrong> where are you with nice fishing weather this time of year? or are you going ice fishing?
[14:32:02] <ciri> out and about!! LancePodstrong
[14:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry bout that, was taking out the trash
[14:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> winter here in oklahoma but it's pretty decent today for being january
[14:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[14:39:47] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK, USA - currently 41°F / 5°C, clear, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 81% - Tuesday clear (48°F-72°F / 9°C-22°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (50°F-75°F / 10°C-24°C), Thursday partly cloudy (37°F-63°F / 3°C-17°C), Friday partly cloudy (34°F-50°F / 1°C-10°C) - source: Google
[14:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to get up to 72F, i can definitely live with that
[14:41:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> water's still cold though so carolina rigged rubber worm along the bottom slowly for bass it is.
[14:42:28] <LancePodstrong> wow that's not bad at all
[14:42:43] <LancePodstrong> got up to 44 yesterday in minnesota and it was a heat wave
[14:46:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but you lot have a gerzillion lakes to fish as well. bit of a trade-off
[14:47:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm just glad we don't have much in the way of pike fishing down here. people should bite fish not the other way around.
[14:48:28] <LancePodstrong> hahahaha
[14:48:37] <LancePodstrong> do you have those invasive asian carp down there
[14:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, dunno. not so much that they're a problem in the lakes i fish.
[14:50:39] <LancePodstrong> some places in iowa are so bad speedboats are dangerous
[14:50:46] <LancePodstrong> fuckers like to jump out of the water and you'll smack right into em
[14:50:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm generally a catch n release guy anyway. in it for the fun cause i don't eat fish. so, most anything on my line is fine by me.
[14:51:07] <LancePodstrong> black eye by carp
[14:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[14:51:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> been fishing for big flathead mostly this year. not much luck but low effort as well.
[14:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of time to swap lies with the other fishermen on the dock.
[14:53:28] <LancePodstrong> i wish i knew more about fishing
[14:53:40] <LancePodstrong> i don't have any equipment or knowledge of my own, just what i absorb by living near sportsmen
[14:54:01] <LancePodstrong> i'm good at the plant end of things, i love to go picking wild nuts and berries in the summer
[14:54:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> fishing's one of them odd things. you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it.
[14:55:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> even if you're not catching anything but a tan, at least you're outdoors with nobody bothering you.
[14:55:57] <Konomi> http://www.grappendorf.net
[14:55:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Projects - 6502 Home Computer - grappendorf.net
[14:56:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, didn't we run a story on that yesterday?
[14:56:29] <LancePodstrong> yeah it's still on the frontpage
[14:56:32] <Konomi> hmm maybe I am not sure
[14:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> har, staff getting to call a user on a dupe!
[15:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> finally went and dropped ars technica from my feeds list over that glowing femfreq story they did yesterday.
[15:01:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do not support hatemongers
[15:01:44] <Konomi> \o/
[15:01:51] <Konomi> we;re coming for you TheMightyBuzzard +.+
[15:02:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ain't askeert. most 3rd wave feminists are also anti-gun.
[15:02:31] <LancePodstrong> lol
[15:02:32] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[15:02:46] <LancePodstrong> too bad cuz ars has some top notch reporting on a lot of stuff
[15:02:53] * Konomi nods
[15:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> so a) i can beat them up and b) i can shoot them
[15:03:11] <LancePodstrong> you're not supposed to hit women dude
[15:03:12] <Konomi> solves all problems: guns
[15:03:14] <LancePodstrong> you better shoot them
[15:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> LancePodstrong, yeah, i'd followed them since they and /. were new
[15:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, violence is like duct tape: if it doesn't solve a problem, you didn't use enough.
[15:04:21] <Konomi> right comrade \o/
[15:06:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.ghacks.net
[15:06:25] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Sites may detect the local IP address in browsers supporting WebRTC - gHacks Tech News
[15:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh
[15:06:35] <Konomi> wonder of noscript mitigates
[15:06:40] <Konomi> pretty sure it does
[15:06:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> knew there was a reason i had that turned off
[15:06:47] <Konomi> it blocks webrtc
[15:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. also an about:config option to disable it
[15:07:14] <LancePodstrong> maybe i need to start running my browser in a chroot
[15:07:21] <LancePodstrong> do peopple do that
[15:07:56] <LancePodstrong> i guess that doesn't change the local ip address though
[15:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to run mine through vpn and tor both but i'm generally too lazy and i'm already on every terrorist watch list there is
[15:09:29] <Konomi> I can't really think of anything narly you can do by knowing the private ip
[15:09:31] <LancePodstrong> i'm pretty sure tor puts you on a list
[15:10:00] <LancePodstrong> certainly flags your traffic for later NSA deep inspection
[15:10:12] <Konomi> pretty sure going to linux journal does too
[15:10:14] <Konomi> ;p
[15:10:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, can get around tor hiding you.
[15:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> or your vpn
[15:10:29] <Konomi> it's already disabled in tor
[15:10:38] <Konomi> and they'd just know the private ip
[15:10:45] <Konomi> and for most it's what 192.168.x.x
[15:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but nat traversal ain't all that difficult
[15:12:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's fallen out of MY skillset but i used to be able to get around it in a matter of minutes
[15:13:23] <Konomi> still need to know their public ip
[15:13:24] <Konomi> and you don't
[15:13:25] <Konomi> ;p
[15:13:31] <Konomi> at least for tor
[15:13:43] <Konomi> might be useful for clear net attacks though
[15:14:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. it's not a complete pwnage vector but it is yet another piece of the puzzle needed to get one.
[15:14:58] <Konomi> none I can think of for tor
[15:15:05] <Konomi> unless you had a really unique local ip
[15:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm out of practice as well and it's not remotely the only way to get your private ip
[15:18:34] <LancePodstrong> lancescannabisintake++
[15:18:34] <Bender> karma - lancescannabisintake: 2
[15:19:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1h10m till fishing time. what to do, what to do?
[15:20:29] <LancePodstrong> coffee++
[15:20:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1005
[15:20:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah
[15:20:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:20:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1006
[15:20:56] <LancePodstrong> time to work departure: T-6 min
[15:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could finish that quick n dirty spam modded comments lister
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[15:30:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> awesome, all set
[15:32:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verizon Punished for Failing to Investigate Phone Problems in Rural Areas - http://sylnt.us - hello-hello-is-there-anybody-there?
[15:39:04] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[15:39:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  How Can We Protect our Information in the Era of Cloud Computing ? 04(16 comments)
[15:39:11] <Konomi> all I thought was "Don't use it"
[15:39:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me too
[15:40:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, i do use gmail. i just don't send explosives recipes over it.
[15:41:40] <Konomi> risk management and compartulisation all the way
[15:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn skippy
[15:42:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean hell, i even keep my pr0n in an encrypted LUKS-loopback volume.
[15:43:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> that way if i get run over by a bus, whoever goes through my computer doesn't have to learn what kinda pr0n i liked.
[15:50:34] <Konomi> all that insect porn lost
[15:50:35] <Konomi> ;p
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[17:09:18] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: you still around?
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[17:17:06] <paulej72> think he is out fishing
[17:18:05] <Konomi> can I pick your brain instead ;p
[17:18:45] <paulej72> sure until I pass out from my meds
[17:19:08] <Konomi> if (1 == 1 and (my $var = "")) {
[17:19:12] <Konomi> was doing something like this
[17:19:19] <Konomi> but perl was grumping
[17:19:21] <Konomi> tried this instead
[17:19:22] <Konomi> if (1 == 1 and defined(my $var = "")) {
[17:19:24] <Konomi> seems okay now
[17:19:43] <Konomi> basically want to define inside a conditional and check the define worked
[17:20:45] <paulej72> I hate defining in a conditional. I never trust the results
[17:21:00] <Konomi> is it problematic?
[17:21:36] <paulej72> not that I am aware of, but my brain does not like it
[17:22:23] <Konomi> ;p
[17:22:38] <paulej72> I am more of a set it then test it type
[17:23:01] <Konomi> hmm
[17:23:11] <Konomi> defined() isn't working as I was expecting
[17:23:46] <Konomi> is there a difference between if (defined($var)) and if ($var == "") ?
[17:23:59] <paulej72> yes
[17:24:33] <Konomi> cuase I expevt my $var; if (defined($var) to be true
[17:24:36] <Konomi> but apparently it's not
[17:24:44] <Konomi> not until I give it a value
[17:25:06] <paulej72> correct
[17:25:30] <Konomi> so undef is a value in itself hmm okay
[17:26:50] <paulej72> slash has a ton of these issues. doing a conditional check on a var that is undefined
[17:27:08] <Konomi> nods
[17:27:29] <paulej72> throws an error in the logs
[17:29:16] <Konomi> might just assign with my $var = "" then $var = (something I might not get) then if ($var ne "")
[17:30:01] <Konomi> seems more reliable
[17:33:10] <mechanicjay> http://map.ipviking.com
[17:33:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Norse - IPViking Live
[17:33:55] <paulej72> Konomi: that should work
[17:34:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Entanglement on a Chip: Breakthrough Promises Secure Communications and Faster Computers - http://sylnt.us - flying-cars,-internet-privacy,-and-secure-comms-for-all
[17:37:07] <paulej72> I should block aching on all of my servers
[17:37:43] <paulej72> s/aching/China/
[17:37:43] <SedNotABot> <paulej72> I should block China on all of my servers
[17:49:55] <mechanicjay> paulej72: At a previous University where I worked, pretty much every DDOS attack we saw came from China.
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[18:00:02] <Bytram> g'day all!
[18:00:02] <ciri> hello Bytram
[18:00:03] <Bytram> !uid
[18:00:04] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5029, owned by LancePodstrong
[18:00:11] <Bytram> coffee++
[18:00:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1007
[18:00:20] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[18:00:21] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA, USA - currently 16°F / -9°C, snow storm, wind N at 21 mph, humidity 91% - Tuesday snow (16°F-34°F / -9°C-1°C), Wednesday chance of snow (9°F-25°F / -13°C--4°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (30°F-30°F / -1°C--1°C), Friday chance of snow (7°F-36°F / -14°C-2°C) - source: Google
[18:02:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ # For patience with trolls
[18:02:35] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 135
[18:04:02] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard is best comrade \o/
[18:04:04] * Konomi runs
[18:04:25] <Konomi> paulej72: I ended up not trying to do something funky cause I need to compare to "" in the end
[18:04:56] * Bytram waves a greeting at Konomi
[18:05:07] <Bytram> funky++
[18:05:07] <Bender> karma - funky: 1
[18:06:48] <Konomi> paulej72: http://paste.ofcode.org ended up going with this perl'ish psuedo code used for the example
[18:06:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[18:14:42] <Bytram> Konomi: looks interesting... what are you trying to do?
[18:15:27] <Bytram> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[18:15:30] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The laser pulse that gets shorter all by itself -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[18:15:37] <Bytram> http://googleblog.blogspot.com
[18:15:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Official Google Blog: Google Fiber is coming to Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville and Raleigh-Durham
[18:16:12] * Bytram hums way down south in the land of cotton ...
[18:35:13] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[18:35:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Near-Earth asteroid has its own little moon in tow - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[18:38:14] <Bytram> http://feeds.arstechnica.com
[18:38:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Dell updates Linux-powered Developer Edition portables with M3800 monster | Ars Technica ( http://arstechnica.com )
[18:42:18] <Bytram> afk
[19:05:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Africa's Quiet Solar Revolution - http://sylnt.us - local-power
[19:05:49] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
[19:05:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03CardCash Inks Wal-Mart Deal To Grab A Bigger Chunk Of The Used Gift Card Market - Forbes
[19:06:12] * Bytram likes his gift cards new and minty fresh
[19:17:30] <arti> :D
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[19:21:44] <Bytram> arti: g'day!
[19:22:30] * Bytram is looking at the SN DB schema on dev and realizes it has been a long time since he played with SQL. :/
[19:23:13] <arti> easy peasy, it comes back
[19:23:21] <arti> what helps me immensely is a diagram
[19:23:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:23:57] <Bytram> I *so* wish I had an ERD of the schema
[19:24:00] <arti> i remember using it as a simple datastore once upon a time
[19:24:30] * Bytram once tested a data warehouse at a *huge* financial services company
[19:25:02] <arti> the data warehousing and lifecycles book is awesome for explaining things
[19:25:09] <Bytram> I know what I want to do and mostly remember how to phrase it in sql; just rusty on the syntax that mysql expects.
[19:25:19] <Bytram> didn't have that book at the time.
[19:25:46] <arti> it would've been super helpful had i known about it earlier, it still has plenty in it (i've only thumbed through it)
[19:25:57] <arti> i snagged a copy, it's in the queue
[19:26:29] <Bytram> I heartily recommend "The Practical SQL Handbook" by Bowman, Emerson, and Darnovsky
[19:26:45] * Bytram checks the copyright date...
[19:27:30] <Bytram> 2nd ed, 4th printing was in Oct 1994 (!) -- No wonder I'm a little rusty!
[19:27:45] * Bytram needs some mental grease
[19:27:48] <Bytram> nograb
[19:28:08] <arti> some concepts don't change much
[19:28:47] <Bytram> I just did a 'show tables' and then did a quick & dirty cut/paste to a local file; a little gawk and sed; and then did a DESCRIBE on all the table_names it returned.
[19:29:00] <Bytram> next I did the same kind of thing and got a count(*) on all the tables;
[19:29:45] <arti> "this is where the numbers stations get their seed"
[19:29:46] <Bytram> Now I would like to, for reasonably-small(*) tables, select * from blah; where reasonable is less than, say, 1000 rows.
[19:30:07] * Bytram ponders for a bit;
[19:30:17] <arti> so wouldn't the count go first?
[19:33:44] <Bytram> it insists on putting everything in ASCII-formatted tables; I need to extract the data without all the punctuation...
[19:34:46] <Bytram> mysql> SELECT count(*) FROM code_param;
[19:34:47] <Bytram> +----------+
[19:34:47] <Bytram> | count(*) |
[19:34:47] <Bytram> +----------+
[19:34:47] <Bytram> | 61 |
[19:34:47] <Bytram> +----------+
[19:34:47] <Bytram> 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
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[19:35:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Invasive House of Lords Amendments to UK Counter-Terror Bill Withdrawn - http://sylnt.us - Parliament-of-Rooks
[19:36:58] <Bytram> gawk "/SELECT/ {tab_name = $NF;next} $2 ~ /^[0-9][0-9]*$/ {print $2, tab_name;}" log_file.txt
[19:37:16] <mechanicjay> I've used the following to get a csv right out of mysql
[19:37:31] <mechanicjay> INTO OUTFILE 'results.csv'
[19:37:31] <mechanicjay> FIELDS TERMINATED BY ','
[19:37:31] <mechanicjay> ENCLOSED BY '"'
[19:37:31] <mechanicjay> LINES TERMINATED BY '\n';
[19:37:43] <mechanicjay> that goes at the end of the query.
[19:38:00] <Bytram> *now* you tell me! =)
[19:38:03] <Bytram> THANKS!
[19:38:04] <mechanicjay> useful for larger datasets to them dump into a spreadsheet and make pretty pictures with ;)
[19:38:07] <mechanicjay> np!
[19:40:05] <Bytram> does that go after the: SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE baz
[19:40:58] <mechanicjay> SELECT * from <table> where <Stuff> <THE OTHER SHIT I JUST SAID>
[19:41:27] <mechanicjay> to answer your question, yes
[19:41:47] <Bytram> thanks!
[19:42:13] <Bytram> offhand, do you know how to change the line length? (trying to avoid wrapping of long lines)
[19:42:41] <Bytram> or, better still, a suggestion for an on-line resource?
[19:46:08] <paulej72> google or bing
[19:46:19] <Bytram> Gee, thanks!
[19:46:30] <Bytram> =)
[19:52:30] <Bytram> paulej72++ # cause it never happens often enough for all you do
[19:52:30] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 95
[19:53:49] <paulej72> true and I am battling the flu today
[19:54:26] <Bytram> {{{{ paulej72 }}}}
[19:54:32] <Bytram> hope you feel better SOON!
[19:54:57] * Bytram just realized that "select * from blobs;" may not be so smart. :/
[19:55:02] <Bytram> =)
[20:03:41] <Bytram> afk
[20:03:46] <Bytram> brb
[20:05:31] <CoolHand> queue is down to 2 submissions... :(
[20:08:45] <Bytram> roh ro
[20:08:52] * Bytram goes to take a look
[20:11:01] <Bytram> isn't so bad as it looks; we've got stories queue up until 2015-01-28 07:22:00 UTC
[20:11:21] <CoolHand> cool... submitting one anyway.. :)
[20:12:01] * Bytram hopes the community will rise to the occasion and send us some stories; if nothing much shows in the next few hours, I'll look to submit something.
[20:12:07] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[20:12:07] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 1
[20:12:10] <Bytram> huh?
[20:12:10] <Bytram> huh?
[20:12:13] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[20:12:13] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 2
[20:12:13] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[20:12:13] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 3
[20:12:14] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[20:12:14] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 4
[20:12:34] <Bytram> I'll give you another once I see the submission, and I can run with it =)
[20:13:44] <Bytram> CoolHand: don't know if you're aware, but I've found good ideas in the #rss-bot channel =)
[20:14:28] <CoolHand> ahh, yeah, I knew, but forgot... :)
[20:19:51] <crutchy> ~queue
[20:19:54] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 2 - http://sylnt.us
[20:21:51] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.gizmodo.com.au
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[20:22:19] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[20:23:28] <Bytram> CoolHand: hth
[20:23:40] <Bytram> crutchy++ # thanks, mate!
[20:23:40] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 128
[20:24:02] <Bytram> 2**7 -- nice!
[20:24:22] <crutchy> shitbags! apparently atlassian is an aussie company
[20:24:25] <crutchy> https://www.atlassian.com
[20:24:26] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Development and Collaboration Software Company | About Atlassian
[20:24:31] <crutchy> atlassian++
[20:24:31] <Bender> karma - atlassian: 1
[20:24:44] <crutchy> sourcetree++
[20:24:44] <Bender> karma - sourcetree: 5
[20:25:13] <crutchy> ~submit http://recode.net
[20:25:45] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[20:26:02] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[20:26:04] <Bytram> hmmm, what is atlassian?
[20:26:31] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission
[20:26:54] <crutchy> they make this awesome bit of free kit: https://www.atlassian.com
[20:26:54] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Free Mercurial and Git client for Mac and WindowsMercurial and Git client for Mac and Windows | Atlassian
[20:27:24] <Bytram> hmmm, sounds interesting!
[20:27:27] <crutchy> git for dumshits like me :D
[20:28:09] <crutchy> eck channel 7. oh well
[20:28:17] <crutchy> ~submit https://au.news.yahoo.com
[20:28:50] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[20:28:57] <Bytram> https://au.news.yahoo.com
[20:29:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Global Game Jam: 5 Australian video games developed in 48 hours - Yahoo!7
[20:29:02] <crutchy> better go get ready for workipoos
[20:29:12] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:29:17] <Bytram> thanks for the submissions!
[20:29:29] <crutchy> hope they're not too shit
[20:29:41] * Bytram is waiting for putty to catch up with the commands I queued
[20:30:02] <LancePodstrong> windows :(
[20:31:46] <CoolHand> LancePodstrong: if u don't like it, why you use it? there are good alternatives after all... :)
[20:31:47] <LancePodstrong> windows--
[20:31:47] <Bender> karma - windows: -13
[20:32:08] <LancePodstrong> i haven't used it in forever, i was just commenting on putty
[20:32:19] <LancePodstrong> sometimes i have to for clients
[20:32:21] <CoolHand> LancePodstrong: ah...
[20:32:30] <LancePodstrong> and i struggle lol
[20:34:20] <CoolHand> yeah I'm lucky at work - I know the vmware guy, so get to maintain an "admin workstation" there -- so I just rdp to it for the windows-required apps
[20:34:38] <CoolHand> ...like "Cisco Jabber"
[20:34:45] <Bytram> lucky you!
[20:35:17] <LancePodstrong> that's handy
[20:35:48] * Bytram needs food; back in a few minutes
[20:36:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Hack an ADT Alarm System. - http://sylnt.us - 3-2-1-Let's-Jam!
[20:36:49] <Bytram> CoolHand: sorry there, one of your submissions is already a live story on SN: http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:50] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article:  Entanglement on a Chip: Breakthrough Promises Secure Communications and Faster Computers 04(7 comments)
[20:39:42] <Bytram> CoolHand: genome article looks good...
[20:39:49] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[20:39:49] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 5
[20:40:13] <CoolHand> Bytram: cool..
[20:40:31] * Bytram ponders ... thinking of a good dept
[20:43:59] <Bytram> not my best, but should get a chuckle or two.
[20:48:04] <Bytram> story saved!
[20:48:07] <Bytram> CoolHand++
[20:48:07] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 6
[20:48:18] * Bytram really needs to get some food.
[20:48:21] <Bytram> back in a bit
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[21:13:10] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.firstpost.com
[21:13:20] <crutchy> ~queue
[21:13:23] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 7 - http://sylnt.us
[21:13:37] <crutchy> woohoo getting up there a bit
[21:13:39] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[21:14:24] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.abc.net.au
[21:14:54] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission
[21:15:16] <crutchy> ~subit http://www.timesofoman.com
[21:15:21] <crutchy> derp
[21:15:32] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.timesofoman.com
[21:16:04] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[21:16:28] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.upi.com
[21:16:58] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission
[21:17:42] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.azom.com
[21:18:14] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[21:19:05] <crutchy> hehe it might be total bs i dunno, but should be well received here at least :D
[21:19:11] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.washingtonpost.com
[21:19:19] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:19:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1008
[21:19:21] <crutchy> ++coffee
[21:19:21] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 237
[21:19:41] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission
[21:19:48] <crutchy> aww
[21:19:58] <crutchy> washpost--
[21:19:58] <Bender> karma - washpost: -1
[21:20:33] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.newnownext.com
[21:21:02] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[21:21:08] <crutchy> ~queue
[21:21:11] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 12 - http://sylnt.us
[21:22:11] <Bytram> crutchy: question for ya... your submissions seem to have a single line of human-readable text; is that auto-generated? If so, is there any way for your bot to include a couple or three paragraphs to give it more context?
[21:22:13] <crutchy> aw shit. sorry editors
[21:22:38] <crutchy> "Times of Oman" is the publisher, not the title of the story :/
[21:23:16] <crutchy> it's just some meta tag stuff. it prolly makes for a pretty shit submission, but i suck at submissions anyway :/
[21:23:38] <Bytram> hmmm
[21:23:50] <crutchy> i could modify it to include more content
[21:24:09] <Bytram> would be *much* appreciated!
[21:24:20] * Bytram goes to fetch dinner
[21:24:25] <crutchy> i'll make that tonight's exercise :D
[21:24:34] <Bytram> kewel!
[21:24:37] <Bytram> crutchy++
[21:24:37] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 129
[21:24:56] <crutchy> for now gotta go to work. see ya mate. hopefully some betterer submissions roll in soon
[21:25:00] <crutchy> ~q
[21:25:01] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (49.3 kb)
[21:25:08] <crutchy> need my lappy at work today :p
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[21:51:20] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[21:52:20] * Bytram chews
[21:52:27] <Bytram> his dinner, that is
[21:52:49] <Bytram> got a friggin blizzard goin on here
[21:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> could have worn shorts today
[21:53:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> did go fishing
[21:53:21] <Bytram> http://sirocco.accuweather.com
[21:53:33] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[21:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy stole exec
[21:53:45] <Bytram> ~weather boson
[21:53:49] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[21:53:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:54:01] <Bytram> oh. doh!
[21:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> currently 75F outside
[21:54:20] <Bytram> executed exec, it seeems.
[21:55:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, dev should be solid now. feel free to poke at it again until we can get pj feeling well enough to deploy on production.
[21:55:15] <Bytram> currently 14F with windchill to -15F winds @ 23 mph
[21:55:33] <Bytram> snowing bout 2" per hour
[21:55:49] <LancePodstrong> nice
[21:56:24] <Bytram> well, I *did* get an unscheduled day off, but it's without pay. :/
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[21:57:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: though I saw something in the logs that you'd coded a quick-n-dirty master page that listed all the comments modded as spam?
[21:58:02] <Bytram> !uid
[21:58:03] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5029, owned by LancePodstrong
[21:58:27] <Bytram> s/though/thought/
[21:59:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, coded a script that has to be run by hand
[21:59:11] <Bytram> aha
[21:59:17] <Bytram> hmmm
[21:59:42] <Bytram> k
[22:00:20] <Bytram> how ya feelin? I recall you were running on empty there for a stretch and unable to nap. :(
[22:00:20] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[22:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> assuming this last fix is the last for this deploy, i prolly won't be coding much to at all over the next month or two.
[22:00:47] <Bytram> gonna miss ya!
[22:00:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> tired but mostly from fishing all afternoon.
[22:00:54] <Bytram> LOL!
[22:01:12] <Bytram> how was the fishing?
[22:01:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> move date is feb 14. gives me two weeks or so to pack, then place finding, then moving, then unpacking.
[22:01:52] <LancePodstrong> are you moving far?
[22:01:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, it was pretty good for january. i caught fish.
[22:02:05] <Bytram> happy valentine's day, and SN First Anniversary of going live!
[22:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, Tennessee.
[22:02:23] <Bytram> up in the mountains?
[22:02:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. just a bit east of memphis.
[22:03:37] <Bytram> nod nod
[22:03:50] * Bytram hopes you like country music
[22:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> not specially but i can live with not listening to the radio
[22:05:56] <LancePodstrong> i've never been east of the mississippi
[22:07:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[22:07:34] * Bytram has turned on TV to get info on blizzard -- back in about 15minutes
[22:07:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'I paid $25 for an Invisible Boyfriend and I Think I Might Be in Love' - http://sylnt.us - all-I-got-was-this-stupid-T-shirt
[22:10:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah, someone admin'd me on live
[22:12:12] <LancePodstrong> i hear it tracked 25-50 miles further west than forecast by the top performing models
[22:12:17] <LancePodstrong> screwed a lot of people up
[22:12:18] <Bytram> huh? how'd they do THAT?
[22:12:32] <LancePodstrong> er, east
[22:13:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: what do you mean "admin'd" ??
[22:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone, prolly that sneaky paulej72 guy, bumped my seclevel up for the site
[22:15:06] <Bytram> oh! *boost*ed your seclevel; I thought you meant someone put some kind of a ban on your acct
[22:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, was him too. he emailed me bout it.
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[22:16:26] <Bytram> I don't know what level I have -- I just now that the admin controls don't all work right for me. e.g. can't just list all filters -- gotta know the URL and go there manually.
[22:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima get half a nap in before i gotta cook n eat dinner. you lot hold down the fort.
[22:17:02] <Bytram> roger
[22:17:42] <Bytram> sounds like a plan; I should prolly take a nap, too.
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[22:34:52] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, I noticed you implemented the right-alignment and "buttonization" of the spam controls on dev... Looks really good! THANKS!
[22:35:09] * Bytram|away is off for a nap; hope to be back later.
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