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[23:59:59] <ciri> 8
[23:59:57] <crutchy> as much as big tits sound chauvinistic and sexist, you can't really mess with a tried and tested formula for sales success :D
[23:59:57] <ciri> 7
[23:59:55] <ciri> 6
[23:59:54] <ciri> 5
[23:59:53] <ciri> 4
[23:59:52] <nick> 3 false alarms and you wont get response anymore
[23:59:43] <nick> you're*
[23:59:36] <nick> it used to be 3 strikes and your out
[23:59:30] <nick> not that ive ever seen
[23:59:13] <juggs> oops - do they charge for false alarms?
[23:58:50] <nick> i had police turn out to me on jobs a few times when making a panic go off
[23:58:23] <nick> especially on Panic Buttons
[23:58:21] <crutchy> nick, maybe you need to hire more chicks with big tits for your sales dept.
[23:58:19] <nick> that is also true, but in the old days, you did get police response
[23:58:06] <ciri> lol damn!
[23:58:06] <juggs> lol lucky to get police to attend at all for a burglary report afaik
[23:57:29] <nick> (fire)
[23:57:26] <nick> but they dont tell people that, they just say 'emergency services'
[23:57:20] <crutchy> business success doesn't just depend on low prices
[23:57:17] <nick> since no police response unless you have a Grade3+ system.
[23:57:07] <crutchy> hard part for any employer is finding the right people for the right job
[23:56:59] <nick> but monitored is a waste of time now
[23:56:52] <nick> juggs, the £35 a month forever is a monitored one yeah
[23:56:41] <crutchy> there are some people out there who are just born for sales
[23:56:35] <juggs> are those the monitored alarm systems nick?
[23:56:32] <nick> i think it's the people within them
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[23:56:17] <crutchy> some multinationals are prolly more honest than others
[23:55:34] <crutchy> when you have a big gov shovel you can whack anyone
[23:55:21] <nick> but what they promise for that £35, is actually a load of bs
[23:55:09] <crutchy> so that aint fair anyway
[23:55:04] <nick> (*plus £35 a month for three years)
[23:54:58] <crutchy> but they're usually sponsored by gov
[23:54:55] <nick> and then you dont worry about it, because £99*
[23:54:51] <crutchy> yeah multinationals suck
[23:54:44] <nick> who just go £99*
[23:54:43] <crutchy> '10 for that you must be mad' lol
[23:54:38] <nick> heh, but this is where we end up facing the multinationals
[23:54:26] <crutchy> that's the art of haggling
[23:54:21] <crutchy> you just gotta make the customer 'think' they're getting a low price
[23:54:07] <nick> if you want a better price, well then the specification has to change
[23:53:59] <nick> if i could offer a better deal, i would
[23:53:53] <nick> i dont do haggling, the price is the price
[23:53:47] <crutchy> the best hagglers win :p
[23:53:42] <nick> oh indeed, but they will spend heaps of money on nice stuff
[23:53:33] <crutchy> its the old 'haggle' thing
[23:53:23] <crutchy> but having said that, no customer wants to spend heaps of money. everyone's out for a bargain
[23:53:20] <nick> it's something that is regulated heavily, but you can operate within it with minimal regulation also
[23:52:50] <crutchy> yeah i don't think i'd wanna be in the security system sales game personally
[23:52:48] <nick> is literally how it goes sometimes
[23:52:42] <nick> "yeah sure i might have a £60k car in the drive, a £5k bicycle, but i dont really want to spend more than £500 on a security system for all of it"
[23:52:30] <ciri> lol damn!
[23:52:30] <crutchy> lol
[23:52:16] <nick> people are all about placebo in this industry, i've had people want to spend almost nothing, but as long as they feel like theyve done something it's ok
[23:51:53] <crutchy> i guess selling security systems does rely on a bit of fear
[23:51:35] <nick> made*
[23:51:18] <nick> but fear and promises not meade in the realm of technical possibility does sell
[23:51:01] <nick> i work with electronic security systems, and the reality isn't a very good sell
[23:51:01] <crutchy> as long as you're in an industry without much government intervention and favoritism, being honest will be your best marketing tool
[23:50:32] <nick> it very much depends on your industry
[23:50:11] <nick> and avoid filing any tax returns
[23:50:10] <crutchy> customers aren't dumb though. i wouldn't underestimate them
[23:50:04] <nick> they do it every 2 years to keep ahead of trading standards
[23:49:47] <nick> and start up all over with a whole new image
[23:49:42] <nick> literally took a week for a competitor of mine to shut down
[23:49:30] <nick> ive been there, i've seen it
[23:49:29] <crutchy> nod
[23:49:25] <nick> so they have the startup capital
[23:49:18] <nick> they do, but they're also sitting on the ££££££ from the previous scam
[23:49:15] <crutchy> if they gotta establish a new brand from scratch
[23:48:59] <crutchy> but then they gotta play catch up
[23:48:37] <nick> before trading standards catches up
[23:48:33] <nick> and form a new one
[23:48:31] <nick> yeah they do, which is why they close the company
[23:48:29] <crutchy> they're tying their own noose
[23:48:19] <crutchy> rotten apples tend to get found out by word of mouth pretty quick
[23:48:15] <nick> so they're always ahead of the game
[23:48:11] <nick> and for every honest person, there's 5 who are not, and they're forever rebranding
[23:47:52] <nick> by the time you find out it's too late
[23:47:46] <nick> doesn't matter, if it's a one off purchase, which is where most of my business is
[23:47:35] <crutchy> especially if it may hurt them financially too
[23:47:23] <crutchy> customers don't like buying stuff from lying cheating companies
[23:47:00] <crutchy> if you're the honest john, local people will find out
[23:46:57] <nick> and they're really not doing it for the benefit of the customer or the free market
[23:46:47] <nick> for all the government regulation, there's plenty of business operating beyond the laws and regulations
[23:46:37] <crutchy> there's not really, but customers are fickle
[23:46:19] <nick> people find out, but after they paid the money and it's too late
[23:46:07] <nick> and in free markets, there's nothing to stop people lying at all
[23:45:49] <nick> indeed, but people love to believe liars
[23:45:49] <crutchy> nod
[23:45:40] <nick> oh indeed, but it's all very much on what industry you're in and the connections you have
[23:45:38] <crutchy> no point trying to stop lying cheaters
[23:45:24] <nick> and people may well figure out the other businesses lied, cheated and stole; but that doesnt stop the fact they got the money
[23:45:09] <crutchy> small businesses do succeed though. i work for one
[23:44:49] <nick> and i'm the idiot honest john
[23:44:46] <nick> that will lie cheat and steal
[23:44:42] <nick> i'm up against unregulated businesses
[23:44:33] <nick> it's not a utopia i'm aiming for, because with my own experiences in business
[23:44:08] <crutchy> but doesn't mean we shouldn't aim for said utopia :p
[23:43:43] <nick> and i am someone who is self-employed, runs my own business blah blah blah
[23:43:42] <crutchy> it is. cos governments will never allow free markets
[23:43:31] <nick> i understand your point, but it is a utopian ideology
[23:43:10] <crutchy> only government can stop people getting bigger shovels. if free market is allowed to be free, we will end up with the biggest shovels the world has ever seen
[23:42:58] <nick> the time it takes to copy it, means you can gain a strong local monopoly
[23:42:25] <nick> is stopping the free market
[23:42:17] <nick> stopping people getting bigger shovels or using 'alternative' methods of wealth creation
[23:42:11] <crutchy> but then that shovel will be copied too
[23:41:59] <nick> until someone invents a bigger shovel
[23:41:46] <crutchy> in free market everyone has same size shovel. only government has bigger
[23:41:26] <nick> nothing, you just have to be the guy with the biggest/most shovels for head hitting
[23:41:24] <crutchy> he's digging his own grave
[23:41:08] <crutchy> problem with that scenario is what stops someone else from doing the same to him?
[23:40:02] <nick> haul*
[23:40:02] <crutchy> that is true. invention is risky in a free market
[23:40:01] <nick> you watch someone dig in the mines all day, just as he's about to go home you hit him over the head with a shovel and take his hau
[23:39:35] <crutchy> thats why the minimum wage is a farce
[23:39:33] <nick> because my free market says, why put time and effort into it, when you can just use 10% of that to steal it from someone else
[23:39:13] <crutchy> in the case of human capital (a resource) you have to pay higher wages than the other guy
[23:38:45] <nick> and you need to have the resources to stop other people stealing it
[23:38:39] <crutchy> true
[23:38:32] <nick> you need the resources to create it
[23:38:22] <nick> to sell something you have to have it in the first place
[23:38:04] <crutchy> only patents will stop this
[23:37:53] <crutchy> so competition emerges from a desire to share in success
[23:37:40] <crutchy> (greed)
[23:37:36] <crutchy> natural human instinct
[23:37:31] <crutchy> what stops it is that when you sell something successfully, others will want some skin
[23:37:10] <nick> i dont see what stops it
[23:37:06] <nick> the problem is, 'pure capitalism' has only ever existed on paper, so as an ideology it's fine, but it's not a sure thing
[23:37:01] <crutchy> its pretty much impossible
[23:36:56] <crutchy> monopolies don't exist in a free market
[23:36:32] <nick> monopoly on resources again
[23:36:27] <crutchy> and competition emerges
[23:36:25] <nick> yeah, but it doesn't have to be friendly, reasonable or fair
[23:36:20] <crutchy> but this gets repeated countless times
[23:35:59] <crutchy> that's how a business is formed
[23:35:35] <nick> yeah, and a few men get together and go 'how about we look after ourselves, we'll be better off together'
[23:35:14] <crutchy> cos in capitalism, its every man for himself
[23:35:13] <nick> whats the evidence for this?
[23:34:58] <crutchy> business cabals dont form without gov help
[23:34:49] <crutchy> nah
[23:34:45] <nick> instead of government, you get business cabals
[23:34:43] <crutchy> companies are only able to destroy their competition with help from government
[23:34:21] <ciri> not sure
[23:34:20] <nick> how would it help, the solution to me seems to end the same
[23:34:07] <crutchy> they should though
[23:33:56] <nick> and there's no way you can expect government to 'keep out of the way of markets'
[23:33:56] <crutchy> aussie private debt is more of a problem
[23:33:35] <nick> because we're so deep in this game
[23:33:33] <crutchy> aussie public debt is reasonably low, but rising steadily
[23:33:30] <nick> they're moving the deckchairs on the titanic
[23:33:24] <nick> they're not getting rid of debt, or changin anything
[23:33:10] <nick> the goverment is carrying debts from before anyone was alive
[23:32:52] <nick> my poitn always was, it never has meant much
[23:32:39] <crutchy> nick, yeah 'cuts' seem to not mean much lately. spending needs to be slaughtered perhaps
[23:32:16] <nick> that is the good news.
[23:32:12] <nick> and that is the 'fiscally responsible plan'
[23:32:04] <nick> UK Financial Plan: 2010, we owe £1Tn ... by 2018 we will owe £1.4Tn
[23:31:46] <crutchy> capitalism is good as long as government stays out of the way and lets markets set values and keeps playing field level. as soon as government puts its hand in anywhere, companies use government favors to flatten their competition
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[23:31:11] <nick> which means nothing
[23:31:06] <nick> all the governments have ever done is reduce the deficit
[23:30:37] <crutchy> lol
[23:30:33] <nick> reduce the national debt
[23:30:31] <nick> which was created to...
[23:30:22] <nick> and the funny thing is, the debt from the 1800's was a result of a public-private partnership
[23:30:15] <crutchy> all this money printing is gunna end badly i think
[23:30:01] <crutchy> though perhaps not as fanatical
[23:29:53] <crutchy> i'm kinda on the side of the doomsayers regarding fiat currencies
[23:29:52] <nick> so any UK government can get fucked when they talk about fiscal responsibility
[23:29:40] <nick> the UK government still has debt on its books from the 1800's
[23:29:20] <crutchy> that too
[23:29:13] <nick> is going to fuck us more then the eurozone
[23:29:06] <nick> our total reliance on 'financial services'
[23:28:42] <crutchy> euro is gunna fuck the UK
[23:28:39] <nick> than the $250m ww1 debt sitting on the books
[23:28:35] <crutchy> your biggest problem is the eurozone
[23:28:31] <nick> they mean they got a $250m loan at a better deal
[23:28:24] <nick> and by retiring ww1 debt
[23:28:21] <crutchy> oh yeah
[23:28:20] <nick> our government talked about 'retiring' world war 1 debt
[23:28:11] <nick> yeah, but from the UK perspective
[23:28:02] <crutchy> any cuts are good. government spending is very wasteful
[23:27:45] <crutchy> even social program cuts that a lot of US politicians seem to be scared shitless of cutting
[23:27:13] <nick> it's not changing the situation
[23:27:00] <nick> cuts here too, but it's all a nonsense anyway
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[23:26:33] <crutchy> lots of cuts being made
[23:26:24] <crutchy> though at least atm aussie has more conservative gov
[23:26:03] <crutchy> prolly
[23:25:57] <nick> but there will no doubt be $500m+ in 'government incentives' for multinationals to start trying their luck
[23:25:44] <crutchy> they were talking about fracking in prime dairy grazing territory. in a fucking national park!
[23:25:38] <nick> there's a lot going on with fracking and i can't see it ending well really
[23:24:56] <nick> plenty of space for mining in .au
[23:24:50] <crutchy> fracking is being talked about even here. even though we have no shortage of oil and gas
[23:24:21] <nick> for no real good reason, except some very convincing american lobbyists came over to assure them it was a great idea
[23:24:02] <crutchy> thankfully australia was mostly a desert wasteland anyway, and most of our mines are in very inhospitable places
[23:23:44] <nick> although the gov is really keen on getting fracking going
[23:23:35] <nick> and these days, the cost of the land would probably make it a very unattractive prospect for mining
[23:23:15] <nick> that is also true
[23:23:11] <nick> and the country doesn't seem to care all that much
[23:23:07] <crutchy> if you guys kept mining you might run out of real estate :p
[23:22:54] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[23:22:53] <crutchy> lol
[23:22:47] <nick> the UK solved the mining problem. we put all our eggs in the 'financial services' basket
[23:22:37] <crutchy> if mines are nationalized, governments would fuck them up
[23:22:17] <nick> so they can compete with mines in other countries
[23:22:05] <crutchy> yeah the mining problem is tricky
[23:22:05] <nick> or they will be 'forced' to lower wages
[23:21:52] <nick> indeed
[23:21:23] <crutchy> and if cost of mining is increased its just gunna be passed on anyway
[23:21:04] <nick> which can't be used for much of anything
[23:20:59] <nick> but in the long term you're still going to be left with the post-mining wasteland
[23:20:45] <nick> you might put some cash in your pocket in the short term
[23:20:41] <crutchy> prolly not
[23:20:34] <nick> i dont think it's unfair, but it's not going to really change the situation
[23:20:29] <crutchy> they could then reduce income tax for workers
[23:20:19] <crutchy> as far as taxes go, a mining tax almost seems fair
[23:20:06] <crutchy> the idea was to give the taxpayer a bit for that
[23:19:43] <nick> so in the end, they're still going to mine it, and make a profit on it
[23:19:32] <nick> the problem with the mining tax is, they want the companies to pay that tax
[23:18:52] <nick> anyone outside of that group, is pretty fucked.
[23:18:51] <crutchy> nod
[23:18:44] <nick> but through whatever method, if someone ends up with the monopoly on those important resources, through luck or judgement
[23:18:38] <crutchy> australia was going to impose a mining tax
[23:18:28] <crutchy> yeah
[23:18:21] <nick> resources are a tricky one but to me thats where it comes down to, as we need resources for our society.
[23:18:11] <crutchy> but then i don't know the answer to that either
[23:17:56] <crutchy> resources are a tricky one. i don't get how mining companies can just take stuff
[23:17:49] <nick> indeed
[23:17:25] <crutchy> even things like patents issued by government are a form of monopolization
[23:17:06] <nick> because if a corp has a monopoly over resources by whatever means, then it's irrelevant if it's the corp or the gov.
[23:16:29] <nick> saying they wouldn't is wishful thinking
[23:16:22] <nick> well, they havn't because theres always been government
[23:16:09] <nick> so why people think big corps are any better...
[23:16:01] <crutchy> although corporations don't get to be a problem without a hand from governments
[23:15:58] <nick> which is literally the proposed purpose of big biz
[23:15:48] <nick> people complain that big gov is all about taking your money for themselves
[23:15:44] <crutchy> yeah
[23:15:30] <nick> big gov and big corp are pretty much the same problem
[23:14:54] <nick> that i will agree with
[23:14:44] <crutchy> a lot of governments are basically corporations now anyway
[23:14:43] <nick> there's no point in having a small government, if it's totally powerless
[23:14:28] <nick> it's finding that balance
[23:14:03] <crutchy> small government = less influence and corruption
[23:13:49] <crutchy> governments are too big to fail now
[23:13:34] <nick> but because it was a 'gentlemans agreement' there's nothing anyone can do about it
[23:13:05] <nick> except they did and made millions and millions in a couple of days
[23:12:56] <crutchy> will be interesting to see what governments do when the next crash comes
[23:12:52] <nick> which was all decided off the record on 'gentlemans agreements' that priority investors wouldnt sell straight away
[23:12:39] <crutchy> no doubt
[23:12:34] <nick> obviously at a very favourable rate
[23:12:24] <crutchy> things are pretty shit
[23:12:19] <nick> so the government is still on the hook for a lot of the royalmail problems, while the goldman sachs investors get all the assets
[23:11:50] <nick> what they sold off was all the good bits, and very few of the liabilities
[23:11:45] <crutchy> governments do ruin things, but giving failing businesses taxpayer money also ruins competition. i wish they wouldn't do it
[23:11:37] <nick> they did some bullshit with the royalmail, after getting goldman sachs to decide what the price was
[23:11:01] <nick> then the government is better, only until it's profitable or viable again, then it must be shifted back into private hands before the government ruins it
[23:10:57] <crutchy> now they're even more levered up than they were
[23:10:45] <crutchy> a lot of those 'too big to fail' banks that US and Europe bailed out in 2008 will fail again anyway
[23:10:34] <nick> thats how it works now, because private is always better, except when it fails and needs a bailout
[23:09:56] <crutchy> o.0 'give it back'
[23:09:37] <crutchy> government prolly doesn't get a cent. politicians personal accounts on the other hand...
[23:09:26] <nick> here in the UK, we have an interesting new take on nationalization... you nationalize a private business when it fails, pump some taxpayer money into it, and then give it back to private interests when it's viable again
[23:08:30] <nick> i'm sure the government is more worried about not getting stuffed envelopes from the Tata family though
[23:08:28] <crutchy> nod
[23:08:11] <nick> i'm sure Tata isn't worried about being nationalized, it's not really the Indian way.
[23:08:07] <crutchy> i was a bit confused by your question
[23:07:55] <crutchy> lol
[23:07:37] <nick> i understand nationalization, i was born in the UK!
[23:06:42] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Nationalization
[23:06:41] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[23:05:24] <nick> how do you mean
[23:05:11] <crutchy> as much as i'm no fan of communism, i reckon that's the real fear
[23:04:48] <crutchy> if communists came to power they could just acquire the whole show by force
[23:03:35] <nick> so leave them alone, too big to fail
[23:03:31] <nick> well, start picking holes in Tata and you're putting half a million jobs at risk
[23:02:25] <crutchy> big family businesses there pretty much got the gov wrapped around their little finger
[23:02:05] <crutchy> that too
[23:01:39] <crutchy> they prolly got a direct line to money from the fed at 0% interest anyway
[23:01:38] <nick> and in reality they probably have some protection via the indian gov
[22:59:29] <nick> would be quite hard to calculate the liabilities due to the diverse interests and all the different companies
[22:56:54] <nick> it's a family run business heh
[22:56:11] <nick> they're a big player that not many people seem to have heard of, possibly in part because they keep the brand names of the acquisitions they make
[22:56:08] <crutchy> wonder what their liabilities are though
[22:55:41] <crutchy> though looks like a third the revenue of samsung
[22:55:18] <crutchy> more assets than the likes of samsung even
[22:55:11] <ar> "tata" is a polish word for "father"
[22:55:01] <nick> they're also likely to acquire the company that outsources to them
[22:54:50] <nick> so while tata might well be involved in outsourcing
[22:54:48] <crutchy> yeah saw that in wikipedia. looks big
[22:52:39] <nick> tata has apparently $360.32 billion in assets
[22:52:14] <nick> tata group is like 10x the size of mahindra though
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[22:51:54] <crutchy> they bought out the aircraft ccompany i used to work for
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[22:51:15] <nick> yeah, i know of mahindra
[22:50:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03Mahindra.com | Rise
[22:50:57] <crutchy> http://www.mahindra.com
[22:50:49] <nick> and apparently the Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company
[22:50:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Netflix's Engineering Model: Write Code Really Fast - http://sylnt.us - who-cares-about-quality
[22:50:30] <nick> they own Jaguar and Land Rover
[22:50:16] <crutchy> sounds a lot like mahindra
[22:49:29] <nick> "It encompasses seven business sectors: communications and information technology, engineering, materials, services, energy, consumer products and chemicals. "
[22:48:42] <nick> they do a lot of stuff
[22:48:33] <nick> Tata is a company to watch imho
[22:48:06] <chromas> I'd never heard of Tata but the name kind of implies outsourcing
[22:48:02] <crutchy> *mumbai
[22:47:57] <crutchy> in our "mubai office"
[22:47:43] <crutchy> "here... step into our interview room..."
[22:47:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03Microsoft Careers: Our Office Locations
[22:47:19] <crutchy> http://careers.microsoft.com
[22:47:12] <crutchy> Microsoft's Department of People Smuggling :p
[22:46:52] * chromas hires crutchy's firm
[22:46:31] <crutchy> i work in engineering consultancy. in many cases its easier for us to do the work cos we can churn it out quicker, we have specialist tools and the specialists that know how to get the most out of them /plug
[22:46:21] <chromas> crutchy: I sea what they did there
[22:46:18] <Blackmoore> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[22:43:02] <juggs> had similar experiences with outsourced customer service
[22:43:01] <crutchy> omfg. imagine having a board meeting in this shipping container: http://careers.microsoft.com
[22:42:15] <Landon> and they had their hands pretty much tied by corporate back in india
[22:41:59] <Landon> but feedback was near impossible, even with a few TCS employees local
[22:41:47] <chromas> crutchy: do an image search with safesearch off
[22:41:44] <Landon> and maybe it's just the people assigned
[22:41:43] <crutchy> juggs, depends how much you outsource
[22:41:40] <Landon> for some tasks I'm sure it's amazing
[22:41:22] <Landon> juggs: absolutely
[22:41:00] <crutchy> now now lets not be tatist
[22:40:58] <chromas> they can be
[22:40:38] <crutchy> are they brown?
[22:40:23] <chromas> tatas are completely different
[22:40:13] <juggs> Landon, seems to me that managing the outsourcing is more work than not outsourcing ~sigh~
[22:40:12] <chromas> crutchy: that's tater
[22:39:36] <crutchy> juggs, i don't think he's referring to this: http://interconnectedworld.typepad.com
[22:39:30] <Landon> I haven't been too impressed with their output :\
[22:39:25] <Landon> yeurp
[22:39:05] <juggs> ahh. in the same bag as wipro
[22:38:43] <Landon> juggs: tata consulting services
[22:38:40] <crutchy> teleconference?
[22:38:32] <crutchy> prolly want closer supervision/qc
[22:38:31] <juggs> tcs?
[22:38:02] <Landon> TCS*
[22:38:00] <Landon> setting up office is a lot of work when you can use TC
[22:37:06] <crutchy> thas why US software companies are setting up offices in mumbai
[22:36:18] <crutchy> juggs, yeah i can't imagine US is going to ever be a software development hotspot as long as employees demanding salaries that are orders of magnitude greater than indian programmers
[22:34:31] <crutchy> nick, sorry was talking about the board that swiss likes
[22:33:48] <juggs> not if it's cheaper to outsource it overseas or import H1Bs
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[22:27:56] <chromas> Well, that's the end of the recession. Everyone in the us can be a programmer now
[22:27:29] <NetCraft> ^ 03Coding Education Programs Expand In U.S. As IT Jobs Market Flourishes | TechCrunch ( http://techcrunch.com )
[22:27:28] <chromas> http://techcrunch.com
[22:17:26] <nick> crutchy, unless you have some serious magical powers i dont see how you're going to fit that EATX board into an ITX case
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[22:15:00] <crutchy> hmm actually to fit 12 3.5" drives you'd need at least a 2U
[22:12:41] <NetCraft> ^ 03iStarUSA D-118-ITX-DT-22 Black Server Case - Newegg.com
[22:12:36] <crutchy> might go nicely in this case: http://www.newegg.com
[22:09:44] <swiss> :P
[22:09:43] <swiss> lol
[22:08:43] <crutchy> heh. maybe it does have a nice rack somewhere after all :p
[22:08:29] <crutchy> swiss, that server board does look pretty nice. good for racks
[22:06:57] <crutchy> mostly just sits on the desk switched off collecting dust lately
[22:06:25] <crutchy> my desktop pyewta is only dual core amd
[22:06:18] <Bender> karma - nap: 9
[22:06:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap++
[22:06:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'm feelin napish
[22:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> woulda made a good bitcoin mining rig a couple years ago though.
[22:01:36] <swiss> not enough sata
[22:01:33] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[22:01:33] <swiss> lol
[21:59:13] <crutchy> hm. my new computer budget atm is $0, so yeah would definitely :(
[21:58:46] <crutchy> would blow my entire new computer budget though
[21:58:16] <NetCraft> ^ 03ASRock > X79 Extreme11
[21:58:15] <crutchy> http://www.asrock.com
[21:58:14] <crutchy> this looks like a better mobo :D
[21:58:01] <swiss> i think they'll run fine, but latency will kill you
[21:56:16] <crutchy> even had his lan coming off it
[21:55:41] <crutchy> apparently can do with usb2 as well but not as smooth
[21:55:21] <Bender> karma - usb3: 1
[21:55:21] <crutchy> usb3++
[21:55:10] <crutchy> with videos on 2 of them
[21:55:05] <swiss> lol
[21:54:59] <crutchy> saw a youtube of a guy running 6 external screens off a single usb3 port on his lappy
[21:54:42] <swiss> with 10 VMs (including one which is a VM host for 6 more VMs)
[21:54:30] <swiss> my server at work is barely even in use
[21:54:16] <swiss> so almost perfect
[21:54:13] <swiss> crutchy: i will conceed, only USB2.0
[21:53:42] * crutchy hides
[21:53:41] <crutchy> the host still has x running on it :p
[21:53:25] <crutchy> cos i'm dumb
[21:53:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're servers, why they even have X installed?
[21:52:55] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes crutchy
[21:52:18] <crutchy> disabled gdm on 2 of the vms to free up resources
[21:52:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> really couldn't say. not much atom experience.
[21:51:53] <crutchy> only got 4 vms running on the server at work with dual xeon dies and 12gb ram
[21:51:47] <swiss> debating whether it'll handle plexmediaserver nicely
[21:51:38] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: and torrentserver, and does a bit of stuff like htpc management
[21:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, thas a fileserver/nas
[21:50:59] <swiss> cause i run jails
[21:50:57] <swiss> i don't need toooooo many vms
[21:50:44] <crutchy> needs more cpu grunt to run all the vms you should put on it :D
[21:50:20] <Blackmoore> sigh. i think i spent that much on my entire system .. excluding the screen.
[21:50:16] <swiss> it's also mITX
[21:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> would if i had room for more monitors
[21:50:03] <swiss> crutchy: this is a server board, not desky
[21:49:48] <crutchy> bung another card in there and give a couple more screens a loving home
[21:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine has two n i only use one of em
[21:48:48] <crutchy> my next mobo is gunna have at least 3 pcie16 slots double-spaced
[21:48:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[21:48:24] <swiss> all the friggin NAS power you need
[21:48:15] <crutchy> ?
[21:48:15] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: and a quad core that's passively cooled
[21:48:14] <crutchy> 0!
[21:48:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn son, that's 12 sata ports
[21:48:04] <swiss> 0!
[21:48:02] * crutchy should just read eh
[21:47:51] <crutchy> swiss, how many pcie16 slots?
[21:47:12] <swiss> crutchy: i'll tape some on
[21:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you forget how bloodthirsty you were as a kid?
[21:46:51] <crutchy> swiss, it doesn't have tits, so can't be perfect
[21:46:25] <crutchy> i dunno how they dont scare the crap outta little kids the way they scream and carry on
[21:46:25] <swiss> http://www.newegg.com this mobo is so perfect looking
[21:45:57] <crutchy> seems like a disproportionate number of loonyton characters sound like cowboys from the wild west
[21:45:54] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Foghorn Leghorn
[21:45:53] <Blackmoore> http://en.wikipedia.org
[21:44:21] <crutchy> it was that big chicken rooster that says "ah say, ah say, ah say.."
[21:43:24] <nick> it's almost as if they're accents are cartoonish!
[21:40:31] <Blackmoore> Elmer is from Mass. but he has a lisp.
[21:39:09] <Blackmoore> a combo of brookyln and bronx
[21:38:54] <Blackmoore> Bugs is speaking with a accent that doesnt really exist in the wild
[21:37:16] <nick> i would have assumed in america they pronounce first as "USA! USA! USA!"...
[21:36:06] <mechanicjay> crutchy: In Hollywood, when they're pretending to sound like their from NYC
[21:30:46] * crutchy is watching loony toons
[21:30:29] <crutchy> where in america do they pronounce first as "foist"?
[21:30:14] <crutchy> lol
[21:23:54] <Blackmoore> (still reading up on cron. looks like it should be there to use)
[21:23:21] <Blackmoore> and sure i can throw blame at mojang in my case - but if a restart makes it better. sure i can do that.
[21:22:18] <Blackmoore> yeah crutchy - i would have expecte php to do better. that is a fairly big app
[21:21:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Computer Scientists Say Copyright on APIs Will Stifle Innovation - http://sylnt.us - but-i-thought-copyright-encourages-creativity
[21:10:43] <crutchy> annoys the crap outta me though so i wanna fix it
[21:10:24] <crutchy> could do. my boss prolly wouldn't care if i did (it only runs on the company intranet)
[21:05:37] <nick> or you could be like mozilla and just leave the memory leaks there for years and years and years
[21:01:23] <crutchy> when i was originally coding i thought php might have more smarts to automagically do that kind of memory management (store string keys in a memory array and just refer to anywhere they're used by pointer). maybe it does and the memory leak is elsewhere. testing will tell i guess
[21:00:00] <nick> one would think so
[20:59:07] <crutchy> when you have 100,000 string keys i guess that would eat some memory
[20:58:23] <crutchy> looking at changing string array keys into integer keys (using constants)
[20:57:53] <crutchy> prolly more related to amount of data crunched than lines of code though
[20:57:12] <nick> i think half a gig of ram in one page makes it kind of big ;)
[20:55:59] <crutchy> well, not really big compared to other stuff i guess. just big for me
[20:55:36] <crutchy> its a fairly big app that crunches a lot of numbers
[20:55:14] <crutchy> working on trying to improve this atm
[20:54:40] <crutchy> blackmoore, a bit late to the conversation but i run a cron job eevery midnight that just restarts apache, which recovers all the ram used by my poorly developed php application (that can eat over half a gig of ram in one page generate)
[20:54:18] <Landon> bummer, thought this was about us :(
[20:54:13] <NetCraft> ^ 03Announcing Soylent 1.2 | Hacker News
[20:54:13] <Landon> https://news.ycombinator.com
[20:50:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 906
[20:50:49] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:32:53] <swiss> thought about the $15/year one, but decided i wanted more RAM
[20:32:42] <swiss> I pay $3.50 a month for mine
[20:32:28] <ar> swiss: i use digitalocean for cheap stuff
[20:32:05] <swiss> ar: i use buyvm cause cheap~
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[19:37:50] <NetCraft> ^ 03dpaste: 3DZ3Q45 ( Location )
[19:37:49] <ar> i have a vps at linode: http://dpaste.com
[19:37:06] <ar> hm
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[19:28:20] <Blackmoore> it's not like I have to worry about uptime
[19:27:40] <Blackmoore> true; but i found that if i have it shut down occasionally that it runs better (since garbage collection seems to be the real issue
[19:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> server's going to chew up memory regardless. it's capped at how much it can eat though.
[19:03:32] <Landon> hah
[19:01:17] <Blackmoore> the damn server will chew up memory if i dont have it reset itself
[18:59:07] <Blackmoore> the more i think about it the more i want to set up a cron job to shut down, back up and restart say every other day
[18:58:28] <Blackmoore> it looks like linode gives me a few startup options
[18:51:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 905
[18:51:53] <ar> coffee--
[18:51:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 233
[18:51:51] <ar> tea++
[18:49:25] <ar> yes, ubuntu14.04 still has upstart
[18:35:15] <Blackmoore> anyways I'll figure it out.
[18:34:57] <Blackmoore> (it didnt help that i was trying to update the server at the same time)
[18:34:31] <Blackmoore> and shes in the same room.
[18:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> painful
[18:28:57] <Blackmoore> fix these client side mods..
[18:28:39] <Blackmoore> i set up my wife at it was .. ok run this script. then copy these files..
[18:27:56] <Blackmoore> tell the new person to download the launcher, enter a code.
[18:27:36] <Blackmoore> was so much easier when i was using FTB.
[18:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yet another reason vanilla ftw
[18:27:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun fun fun
[18:26:50] <Blackmoore> then the headache of how to deal with handing out the modpack.
[18:24:04] <Blackmoore> cool. I cant log into the damn thing while at work ; but I can tackle that later.
[18:22:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> cat /proc/cpuinfo should tell you what you need to know
[18:22:46] <Blackmoore> yes, two core server
[18:21:43] <Blackmoore> i did, more memory for the server, but i still need to get the rest of the paramaters
[18:21:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> assuming your virtual cpu has at least two cores and can do sse3
[18:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> good start: -server -XX:UseSSE=3 -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC -XX:+UseParNewGC -XX:+CMSIncrementalPacing -XX:+AggressiveOpts -XX:ParallelGCThreads=2
[18:21:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tor Project Mulls How Feds Took Down Hidden Websites - http://sylnt.us - your-help-is-needed
[18:20:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you prolly wanna add some tweaks to that java <blah> line
[18:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not bad at all
[18:16:40] <Blackmoore> and for the first go at it it only took me 24 hours. (to figure out my own misteaks, and fix it)
[18:15:44] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[18:13:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> manually starting it should be fine for now
[18:11:12] <Blackmoore> *beats head against wiki*
[18:08:42] <Blackmoore> let me check the wiki
[18:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, been over a year since i played with upstart
[18:07:51] <Blackmoore> i would have to guess so
[18:07:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, that's still upstart, isn't it?
[18:06:51] <Blackmoore> ubuntu 14
[18:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> what flavor linux you using and what kind of init?
[18:05:43] <Blackmoore> yes. that's exactly what i need
[18:04:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you don't have to manually launch it every bloody time
[18:03:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> really you prolly want it as an init script
[18:02:25] <Blackmoore> but yeah
[18:02:19] <Blackmoore> either or.
[18:02:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> it doesn't really need fixed, just put in the proper directory
[18:01:42] <Blackmoore> ok now i know how to fix the script.
[18:01:26] <Blackmoore> yeah. good practice
[18:01:07] <Blackmoore> I bet i was suppoed to put the files into a specific directory, and the damn things are basically in hom for the user.
[18:00:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> good practice then
[18:00:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[18:00:26] <Blackmoore> I'm new to the setup and havent really played in command line in a long time
[17:59:33] <Blackmoore> hmm. that makes sense. yeah. i get it now.
[17:58:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want it as an init script that's something entirely else
[17:58:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it should work if you put the script in your minecraft directory and run it though
[17:57:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless you have that script in the minecraft server directory
[17:56:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it doesn't need to do that. it in fact needs to do something entirely else
[17:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on
[17:54:26] <Blackmoore> why does it need to do that?
[17:54:11] <Blackmoore> and i'm looking at that and i'm not getting it.
[17:53:02] <Blackmoore> it's barfing on the lines 2,3
[17:52:41] <Blackmoore> is the example code
[17:52:37] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[17:52:36] <Blackmoore> http://paste.ofcode.org
[17:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> pastebin or something
[17:51:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, what's the script read?
[17:51:03] <Blackmoore> it's the script itself.
[17:50:51] <Blackmoore> names it run.sh set the permissions to execute.
[17:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> did you make it executable?
[17:50:05] <Blackmoore> yeah that script the one that should execute the java [conditions] filename...
[17:49:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> script for the mc daemon?
[17:49:00] <Blackmoore> the server does work
[17:48:49] <Blackmoore> linode gives me a script to use. but the damn thing wont run.
[17:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[17:48:19] <Blackmoore> so i managed to get a linode started, and get the minecraft server on to it. and now I'm stuck with the startup script.
[17:47:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> is good for ya, puts hair on stuff
[17:47:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 906
[17:47:25] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[17:47:21] <Blackmoore> eh, working late shift. drinking coffee
[17:39:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Blackmoore, afternoon, nick.
[17:39:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 905
[17:39:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[17:36:03] <nick> sup with you
[17:36:01] <nick> it's going
[17:35:32] <Blackmoore> how's it goin today?
[17:34:40] <nick> afternoon
[17:33:06] <Blackmoore> mornin
[17:33:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 904
[17:33:03] <Blackmoore> coffee++
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[16:47:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net (uid and limit are optional)
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[16:22:29] <nick> trying not to complain, heh
[16:21:36] <nick> also to CoolHand, assuming ciri isn't spawning new bots. :p
[16:21:20] <mattie_p> pretty good, nick, you?
[16:20:53] <nick> how goes things, mattie_p?
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[16:05:02] <CoolHand> g'day
[16:04:48] <ciri> hello mattiep
[16:04:48] <mattiep> hi nick
[16:01:26] <nick> g'day
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[14:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> crazy-assed journal feed code
[13:58:06] <Bender> karma - gtk: -3
[13:58:06] <ar> gtk--
[13:58:04] <Bender> karma - qt: 3
[13:58:04] <ar> qt++
[13:57:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet
[13:51:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Human Clinical Trials for Drug that Reverses Diabetes in Animal Models - http://sylnt.us - liverbetterst
[13:43:51] <chromas> I go to save: dialog pops up, has the filename field selected, only that field isn't actually active so typing starts a search in the list of files
[13:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, i can't stand the QT file dialogs
[13:43:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, QT user
[13:43:17] <chromas> The file dialogs
[13:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> why for ya gotta hate on the gtk?
[13:41:20] <Bender> karma - gtk: -2
[13:41:20] <chromas> gtk--
[13:41:11] <mattie_p> hey, TheMightyBuzzard
[13:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> morning, mattie_p
[13:36:49] <Konomi> heh x.x
[13:36:41] <mattie_p> pretty soon we'll need about 3 command prefixes for the bots, like #$!wedgie ciri
[13:36:11] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[13:36:11] <mattie_p> lol
[13:36:07] <chromas> need a bot that reminds us which bots have which commands :)
[13:35:42] <mattie_p> thanks, chromas!
[13:35:41] <Konomi> okay just finished making a package for power management in nix
[13:35:40] <Bender> karma - ciri: -13
[13:35:40] <chromas> ciri++
[13:35:34] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at ciri
[13:35:34] <mattie_p> $burrito ciri
[13:35:29] <mattie_p> need more coffee
[13:35:26] * chromas offers mattie_p a $
[13:35:25] <mattie_p> dammit, can't remember how that works
[13:35:16] <mattie_p> !burrito ciri
[13:35:06] <mattie_p> ~burrito ciri
[13:34:54] <ciri> hello mattie_p
[13:34:53] <mattie_p> Hi Konomi, how is the down under today?
[13:33:15] * Konomi waves
[13:33:08] <mattie_p> morning folks
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[13:22:58] <Konomi> cool I think what is it?
[13:22:33] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 38
[13:22:33] <Konomi> caffeine++
[13:21:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> dig the shirt
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[13:18:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
[13:18:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
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[13:13:41] <ar> just got a t-shirt from codeclimate guys http://arachnist.is-a.cat :)
[13:13:09] <Konomi> typical function of my package ^^
[13:13:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[13:12:59] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[13:09:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[13:09:12] <ar> coffee--
[13:09:08] <Bender> karma - tea: 232
[13:09:08] <ar> tea++
[13:09:05] <ar> http://www.commitstrip.com
[12:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> api work for me
[12:54:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:54:00] <Konomi> well journal thingy
[12:53:44] <Konomi> will make a story about it later
[12:53:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03Boxedfoxsoft View topic - pmscripts deb
[12:53:40] <Konomi> http://forums.boxedfox.org
[12:42:22] * Popeidol adds to rss feed
[12:37:49] <NetCraft> ^ 03SoylentNews Journals
[12:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org <--- there if any of you want to use it before we get around to linking to it
[12:35:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, something on the main page needs to link to the dynamically generated journals rss feed
[12:35:50] <Popeidol> don't worry guys, I'm far too lazy to submit a story
[12:35:39] <Popeidol> don
[12:33:56] <Konomi> >.<
[12:33:56] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes Popeidol
[12:33:42] <Popeidol> and bypass the whole 'consent' part
[12:33:28] <Popeidol> and then we can submit your journal as a story
[12:33:05] <Konomi> journal I am okay with
[12:32:38] <Konomi> hmm good idea
[12:32:34] <chromas> You can check the anon box
[12:32:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> journal then
[12:32:17] * Konomi runs away
[12:32:11] <Konomi> god no
[12:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> submit it as a story
[12:32:02] <chromas> Soylent sub
[12:31:44] <Konomi> sub?
[12:31:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> sub it, we're bound to have another user or three who'll dig on it
[12:30:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - People don’t Recognize Statistically Significant Relationships, but they can Learn - http://sylnt.us - 95%-confidence || Supercar Graveyard - http://sylnt.us - look-on-my-works-ye-mighty-and-despair
[12:30:08] <Konomi> anyone if anyone is interested works well so far and highly configurable comes iwht a good default conf for laptops
[12:29:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
[12:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #because before my first cup is finished != the time to debate coffee with me
[12:28:37] <Bender> karma - tea: 231
[12:28:37] <ar> tea++
[12:28:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[12:28:34] <ar> coffee--
[12:28:22] * chromas puts systemd in ar's coffee++
[12:27:58] <Konomi> I thought you mean her... nevermind ~
[12:27:52] <Konomi> oh there
[12:27:29] <Konomi> fangirls too ~
[12:27:23] <chromas> uselessd 8 should be coming out soon
[12:27:14] <ar> there are too many systemd-fanboys there
[12:26:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i have hopes they'll move to uselessd when it gets to be a viable alternative though
[12:25:47] <ar> they're systemd
[12:25:42] <ar> ewww, arch
[12:25:36] <Bender> karma - tea: 230
[12:25:36] <ar> tea++
[12:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be but i just pulled my laptop over to arch a few months ago
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[12:24:54] <Konomi> I just made it
[12:24:51] <Konomi> anyone interested in a power script management package for debian?
[12:24:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a half pound or so of anhydrous caffeine left still
[12:24:06] <Konomi> eh
[12:23:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
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[12:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #nifty
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[12:19:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[12:19:50] <ar> coffee--
[12:19:08] <ar> http://www.reddit.com
[12:16:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, Konomi is like Voltron
[12:15:23] <Bender> karma - tea: 229
[12:15:22] <ar> tea++
[12:15:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
[12:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:07:36] <ar> multikonomi ;)
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[11:31:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[11:31:46] <ar> coffee--
[11:31:44] <Bender> karma - tea: 228
[11:31:44] <ar> tea++
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[10:31:01] <Konomi> Description: Many options for handling power management. <- eg
[10:30:56] <Konomi> when I do packgage descritions I feel like attaching to the end "Yeah I don't write descriptions very well"
[10:26:59] <Konomi> code made time for the packaging
[10:18:40] <Bender> karma - ciri: -14
[10:18:40] <SirFinkus> ciri--
[10:10:44] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 37
[10:10:44] <Konomi> caffeine++
[10:06:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
[10:06:48] <ar> coffee--
[10:06:44] <Bender> karma - tea: 227
[10:06:44] <ar> tea++
[10:06:21] <ar> Eels?
[09:59:19] <Konomi> ...
[09:49:40] <JamesNZ> *facepalm*
[09:30:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - People don’t Recognize Statistically Significant Eelationships, but they can Learn - http://sylnt.us - 95%-confidence
[08:54:13] <Bender> karma - ciri: -13
[08:54:13] <Konomi> ciri--
[08:54:12] <ciri> 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:54:10] <Bender> karma - ciri: -12
[08:54:10] <Konomi> ciri--
[08:54:10] <ciri> 9
[08:54:08] <ciri> 8
[08:54:06] <ciri> 7
[08:54:04] <ciri> 6
[08:54:02] <ciri> 5
[08:54:01] <ciri> 4
[08:53:59] <Konomi> 3 settings for functions that implemement power settings for hardware
[08:53:43] <Konomi> performance/powersave/ignore
[08:53:35] <Konomi> or
[08:53:31] <Konomi> disabled/enabled/ignored
[08:53:24] <Konomi> hmm peeps what do you think
[08:43:40] <Konomi> jazz died
[08:24:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03Music Timeline
[08:24:59] <Konomi> http://research.google.com
[07:43:51] <crutchy> understandably though. i'm an amateur
[07:43:15] <crutchy> which is php, but not sure if staff would enable it even if i figured out how
[07:42:57] <crutchy> would need mediawiki tinkering
[07:42:29] <chromas> now it's up to you to implement it, crutchy :)
[07:41:46] <Bender> karma - chromas: 50
[07:41:46] <crutchy> chromas++ # for good anti-spam wiki idea thingy
[07:41:11] <crutchy> that sucks. if you look in the wiki userlist, prolly 90% are blocked, and most accounts that get created are auto-spam
[07:41:08] <chromas> or would that be worst? whatever
[07:40:48] <chromas> Now I'm not a dirt snob but I've been around the block a few times (like yer mom, tama) and that's definitely one of the worse dirts I've had
[07:40:18] <crutchy> dirt from a dog's bum?
[07:40:08] <chromas> no :(
[07:40:01] <crutchy> was it decent quality dirt?
[07:39:47] <chromas> not so well; they said "fuck you and your bots, bitch!" and then made me eat dirt
[07:39:46] <Bender> karma - (having alias definitions in individual script files): 1
[07:39:46] <crutchy> (having alias definitions in individual script files)++
[07:39:25] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (97 aliases)
[07:39:24] <crutchy> ~rehash
[07:38:58] <crutchy> saw it mentioned in the backlog somewhere
[07:38:51] <crutchy> chromas, how did your idea of using a bot to provide token for wiki signup go?
[07:38:34] <exec> process timed out: ~define phenergen
[07:38:22] <chromas> :(
[07:38:14] <chromas> ~define phenergen
[07:37:27] <crutchy> phenergen is enough for me
[07:36:51] <crutchy> err. i think :/
[07:36:47] <crutchy> thats ok then
[07:36:35] <Konomi> not really the pen gets all the fun not me
[07:36:23] <crutchy> you just want an excuse to play vampire
[07:35:51] <Konomi> I'll fix it
[07:35:50] * Konomi gets the epipen and goes for the back of crutchy's neck
[07:33:28] <crutchy> pulling weeds == allergic reaction :(
[07:33:12] * crutchy had a phenergen before
[07:32:42] * Konomi premptively pops some pain killers
[07:32:41] <crutchy> and the parents get turned into soylent green
[07:32:20] <crutchy> any parents who fail have their kids launched into space
[07:31:39] <Konomi> should all parents*
[07:31:34] <chromas> crutchy: that is very extremely true
[07:31:28] <Konomi> like whailing banshees
[07:31:17] <crutchy> new soylent poll question: should all prospective parents have to undergo a psych evaluation?
[07:29:02] <crutchy> usually a reflection of the parents
[07:28:51] <crutchy> a lot of other peoples kids are undisciplined bogans
[07:28:29] <crutchy> well, my kids are
[07:28:22] <crutchy> kids are awesome
[07:27:44] <Konomi> all I can think is "never ever ever ever ever"
[07:27:37] <Konomi> can hear them from here
[07:27:33] <Konomi> we have peeps visiting and they have kids
[07:27:15] * crutchy pokes Konomi with beta
[07:22:35] <Konomi> I did chekc up on slashdot and beta is still beta ha
[07:22:20] <Konomi> ;p
[07:22:19] <Konomi> nah because it uses a sneak back door attack
[07:21:52] <chromas> because it won't die and it has plenty of protective margin?
[07:21:16] <Konomi> I choose slashdot beta as my minion
[07:21:05] <Konomi> if we're playing it that way
[07:20:17] <chromas> they ain't got no flesh to bite
[07:20:06] * chromas summons skeletons to fight the zombies
[07:19:37] <Konomi> hello vulture zombies would happen!
[07:19:31] <chromas> though technically I haven't really tested it :|
[07:19:30] <Konomi> getting sick of these articles "vultures would end zombies etc"
[07:19:21] <chromas> not that I've seen
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[07:13:24] <crutchy> exec flagged a soylentnews.org message about 6 minutes ago
[07:12:27] <crutchy> chromas, did exec have a soylent-alert false alarm?
[07:11:59] <exec> soylentnews.org: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[07:11:57] <crutchy> ~isup soylentnews.org
[07:11:50] <crutchy> hmm
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[06:30:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drug Unlocks Malleable, Fast-Learning, Child-LIke State In Adult Brain - http://sylnt.us - My-Back-Pages
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[05:09:19] <SirFinkus> the hammer should fall soon
[05:09:11] <SirFinkus> the've gathered everything they need to for now
[05:08:04] <Konomi> nsa wanted it's key back
[05:07:54] <chromas> the user
[05:07:48] * Konomi burns chromas at the stake
[05:07:43] <Konomi> ._.
[05:05:08] <chromas> speaking of which, whatever happened to _NSAKEY?
[05:04:23] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled for sherif! >:)
[05:04:00] <Konomi> can't argue with that
[05:03:48] <chromas> I'd vote for anyone here over any actual politician
[05:02:13] * juggs hugs everyone equally and leaves before it gets weird or uncomfortable. I have a grey suit vote juggs at the next election even if I'm not in the ballot card :D It'll be random but shit will get fixed. Be well!
[04:58:49] <Konomi> this might be fun
[04:58:47] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Six Stages of systemd [linux.conf.au 2014] - YouTube
[04:58:46] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[04:58:01] <juggs> needs more than a lawsuit
[04:57:22] <chromas> monsantoctl start lawsuit
[04:57:05] <juggs> ach the reprobate islands broke lose again!
[04:56:23] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 36
[04:56:23] <Konomi> caffeine++
[04:56:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 904
[04:56:17] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:56:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 905
[04:56:13] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:55:51] <juggs> hmmm.. if we mention round-up enough will we get sprayed with glyphosate?
[04:55:33] <Konomi> it's a shame google plus is so unpopular seems easier to use than facebook
[04:54:12] <juggs> SirFinkus, yeh, the secret police that advertise themselves on the wiki about page. Not exactly stasi :D
[04:53:41] * chromas notices the round-up service is handled by a bash script; looks for other bash exploits
[04:51:47] <juggs> you vill all agree or you vill be round up n shot!
[04:51:42] * SirFinkus dons tinfoil
[04:51:34] <SirFinkus> so soylent news has secret police
[04:51:06] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[04:51:06] <juggs> .deop
[04:51:01] <juggs> IS MY SUDO
[04:50:55] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o juggs] by juggler
[04:50:55] <juggs> .op
[04:50:42] <SirFinkus> caps is juggs' sudo
[04:49:37] <juggs> CAPS always sells me
[04:48:40] <juggs> ah well I'm sold
[04:47:40] <Konomi> "we made this work faster and it's smaller what do you think?" "BLASPHEMY I WANT MY SLOW VERSION BACK"
[04:45:58] <juggs> proof of is where? Not had any init related woes for a long time.
[04:45:00] <Konomi> less troublesome initilisation of system services?
[04:44:30] <juggs> so what did we gain?
[04:43:57] <Konomi> minus some code this one seems to have for upstart >.>
[04:43:48] <Konomi> both do the same thing
[04:43:39] <juggs> looks like an init script
[04:42:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[04:42:53] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[04:42:52] <Konomi> in contrust
[04:42:42] <juggs> ini files should be in the registry. Give them their own hive or something.
[04:42:02] <Konomi> it looks like an ini file.
[04:41:58] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[04:41:57] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[04:41:06] <juggs> a what?
[04:40:52] <Konomi> it's basically an ini file
[04:40:41] <juggs> init scripts, upstart scripts, I've not ventured into systemd requirements - does it even understand runlevels? Mind you canonical broke that with upstart.
[04:35:47] <Konomi> I won't miss writing freaking init scripts either
[04:34:13] <Konomi> still haven't thought of any major down sides yet ;p
[04:31:28] <Konomi> there's about a paragraph of text for enteries with that I imagine that might come in handy for debugging one day
[04:29:59] <Konomi> can see it with -o verbose
[04:29:54] <Konomi> the journal also stores way more information per entry
[04:28:20] <Konomi> don't see many other issues with using a db format
[04:28:15] <Konomi> corruption can be a down side for dbs if the parser can't handle them
[04:27:44] <Konomi> database files have advantages over plain text speed and storage capacity
[04:27:25] <Konomi> seems fine to me I am cautious with everything though
[04:27:08] <juggs> Konomi, you honestly think this is a good thing don't you? Please be honest, I'm not judging or about to go on an attacky rant or anything. I must be missing something,.
[04:25:22] <Konomi> from man journalctl
[04:25:06] <Konomi> Takes a file glob as an argument. If specified, journalctl will operate on the specified journal files matching GLOB instead of the default runtime and system journal paths. May be specified multiple times, in which case files will be suitably interleaved.
[04:25:05] <Konomi> --file=GLOB
[04:25:04] <Konomi> juggs:
[04:23:32] * chromas puts away the rms 'interview' videos
[04:23:26] <Konomi> \o/
[04:23:23] <Konomi> journalctl --file /run/log/journal/59fea7c771ad83f8739a6176000009cf/system.journal
[04:23:11] <juggs> sorry
[04:23:01] <juggs> ohhhh
[04:22:58] <juggs> I never fucking rant you worm
[04:22:33] <chromas> actually, I do 'cause you're asking questions instead of ranting
[04:22:33] <juggs> well it's stringy
[04:22:19] <chromas> I can't believe it's not toecheese!
[04:21:56] * juggs chews toe cheese
[04:21:43] <juggs> does the man or info for systemd-journald document this also?
[04:18:38] <juggs> I'm sure the man for syslog does
[04:17:51] <Konomi> I'm sure the manual for syslog tells you you can move files from it too and look at them later...
[04:17:33] <juggs> much like the docs
[04:17:18] <juggs> oh wait... no-one thought to mention it
[04:17:00] <juggs> no
[04:16:33] <Konomi> you do realise you can just copy the journal database to another pc and do exactly the same thing
[04:16:04] <juggs> I have no foot in any camp. I may carry a little bias from being able to carry any platter from any expired machine to another machine and use plain text inspection of the logs to ascertain cause of death, sure. I am frankly sick and tired of the drama over the whole thing, that's for sure. The only information is coming from two diametrically opposed camps with equal frothiness.
[04:13:45] <Konomi> technically logrotate puts your logs into a binary format too btw no one bitches about that though
[04:11:31] <Konomi> I think you might be biased ;p
[04:11:22] <juggs> Konomi, no doubt you think I am anti-systemd?
[04:10:42] <chromas> it's not so bad; nobody's foaming at the mouth here over it (at the moment)
[04:10:42] <Konomi> I wasn't going to bother answering you obviously have your mind made up ;p
[04:08:51] <juggs> Ach no.. sod this. I don't want to get into it. Anytime "camps" appear around an issue, it's political. I'm just going to step away and see where the dice lay next time I need to upgrade.#
[04:04:16] <juggs> so where's the gain in minimising logs? I don't recall a box running out of space due to log overflow for a good 15 years and that was because some noob failed to set rotations or heaven forbid remote logging which anybody with more than I dunno 10 boxen has?
[04:03:03] * chromas suggests storing logs to postgres :D
[04:00:50] <Konomi> debian already have an embedded version
[04:00:24] <juggs> mebbe Debian-Embedded-Fork would be appropriate?
[03:58:16] <juggs> so we are talking embedded devices? last I looked we countered log bloat with rotation and expiration on servers and desktops which have so much log storage space it's become irrelevant. It seems like a solution looking for a problem if size of log is the driver.
[03:55:44] <Konomi> if you have limited space on the server device having binary logs would be far better than plain text
[03:55:32] <Konomi> I don't see the fuss
[03:55:29] <Konomi> juggs: because you scan store the logs smaller for one and search them and I am sure a sysadmin can run a binary to view the logs...
[03:55:07] <juggs> oh dear I spoiled my voting card
[03:54:53] <juggs> !vote bewbs
[03:54:26] <Konomi> ciri or dog poop which is more intelligent, you decide vote now
[03:54:25] <juggs> no seriously though... forward a binary log to an ascii log for compatability.... I'm not feeling the benefit of the binary log thing in this process. What's the benefit to me as the sysadmin with hair on fire?
[03:53:44] <Bender> karma - ciri: -11
[03:53:44] <Konomi> ciri--
[03:53:40] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[03:53:39] <Konomi> lol
[03:52:25] <juggs> AHHHH I AM BILL GATES
[03:52:03] <Konomi> ;p
[03:52:02] <Konomi> you're right we should've stayed on 640kb of memory!
[03:51:42] * juggs sidesteps and parries - why change what does not need to be changed? Many beard nesting chicks were disturbed by this motion, you best have a good answer.
[03:50:57] <Konomi> #ForwardToSyslog=yes
[03:50:56] <Konomi> $ grep ForwardToSyslog /etc/systemd/journald.conf
[03:49:44] <Konomi> foward to syslog if that bothers you ;p
[03:49:33] <Konomi> juggsctl
[03:49:30] <juggs> I admit, I have not dived into his whole noise debacle yet... but binary logs leaves me cold.
[03:48:09] <juggs> tailfctl
[03:47:36] <Konomi> tailf ;p
[03:47:13] <juggs> tail -f -n 15 used to handy
[03:46:22] <juggs> awk and sed were handy
[03:45:52] <juggs> grep used to be handy too...
[03:45:19] <Konomi> reverses the log order so it's from newest to oldest when it outputs
[03:45:09] <juggs> I have to ask... as everyone is being pansy... what would you consider a good offer?
[03:45:05] <Konomi> the -r switch for journalctl is handy
[03:43:53] <juggs> You're mad, you have it til 11/02/15. Sweat it even if you do nothing with it.
[03:41:00] <tecnomo> I would sell it if i got a good offer. and i knew the person would not suqate it .
[03:39:47] <juggs> I'm not a lawyer and am not in the US, so on all counts I am not placed to advise on this for you. In my jurisdiction though, I'd be treading carefully until I knew where I stood with absolute certainty before doing anything with the domain. If you got it at normal .com prices you are sat on a winner, don't let enthusiasm blind you.
[03:30:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitter Suspends Indie Journalists - http://sylnt.us - better-than-detention
[03:30:00] <tecnomo> any type of IT support that we provide
[03:29:13] <tecnomo> my msp contract says i cant do any type of IT support for any not even pro bono. But since we don't provide web design/admin i doesn't apply. at lease that's my understanding.
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[03:26:41] <juggs> np - just food for thought. Seen too many go under with good ideas, submarined by legal BS once they became popular. No idea if it applies, just thought I'd mention it.
[03:22:37] <tecnomo> Thanks juggs
[03:15:23] <juggs> sleep well BuzzPerlSabre
[03:14:58] <juggs> Won't be long before it diverges again and there's commies under beds and such :D
[03:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, think i'll go sleep now.
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[03:12:26] <juggs> seems to me they all met up at the same lake and fished either side of the midway point therein
[03:12:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it calms me down pretty good unless a fish yanks my fishing pole off into the lake.
[03:11:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's probably because they don't have any good places to go fishing.
[03:09:52] <juggs> I've lost track of US politics.. all looks gray to me
[03:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> the ones with the strictest gun controls as well.
[03:09:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> also all blue cities.
[03:08:10] <juggs> who knew... people want to kill each other when kettled together
[03:07:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> but only 6% of the population.
[03:07:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Huh, NY, Chicago, DC, and Detroit make up 20% of the homicides for the entire US.
[03:07:11] <juggs> Or is Richard Pigg of RTec, Il some dubious ruse?
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[03:04:25] <sedctl> <juggs> tecnomo, your next step should be to speak to godaddy (or hostgator) and get the domain registrant privacy option. Then check your employment contract terms before using the domain for any internal to work knowledge pool / wiki type stuff. Those created while in our employ remain with company terms can be nasty.
[03:04:25] <juggs> s/whole/while/
[03:04:00] <juggs> tecnomo, your next step should be to speak to godaddy (or hostgator) and get the domain registrant privacy option. Then check your employment contract terms before using the domain for any internal to work knowledge pool / wiki type stuff. Those created whole in our employ remain with company terms can be nasty.
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[02:55:42] <chromas> 0: don't listen to the pedants
[02:55:13] <chromas> zero-index that list, mister!
[02:54:52] <tecnomo> i think at first i could do some thing like the commandments of IT 1. Dont trust end users or sales.
[02:54:40] <chromas> poo spot is from Angry BEavers
[02:54:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, offtopic, simpsons futurama crossover is giving me space herpes
[02:53:23] <juggs> serves you right you ankle poo spot wielder
[02:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're all young n stupid at some point.
[02:53:06] <Konomi> gross
[02:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> used to monkey with that back when i still had a winders box for something besides games.
[02:52:30] * chromas writhes in agony. My poo spot!
[02:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[02:52:17] <Konomi> can you even do that though?
[02:52:09] * juggs kicks chromas
[02:52:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> is if you call it from a batch file =P
[02:51:56] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: that's not batch ;p
[02:51:51] <juggs> oh hell... BLASPHEMY DETECTED!!!!
[02:51:49] <Konomi> embedded device with flash objevt
[02:51:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, cygwin sed awk grep
[02:51:28] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure I'd worry it wouldn't be able to manipulate strings well enough
[02:51:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, chromas wants klined
[02:51:08] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: you just need to embed a 6MB flash object
[02:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, hrm... you prolly could.
[02:50:58] <Konomi> haveyouseenmy.bat
[02:50:56] <juggs> flying rats then...
[02:50:42] <Konomi> mybat.bat
[02:50:34] <juggs> does ss64 offer anything other and above w3c css?
[02:50:31] <chromas> mysite.bat
[02:50:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> the web design is the hard part, coding the back end is easy enough. least for me.
[02:50:09] <Konomi> off you go
[02:50:07] <Konomi> batch programming
[02:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> really though, you could do that in anything.
[02:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy's your man if you don't mind it being done in php
[02:49:00] <tecnomo> it is
[02:48:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks wicked simple
[02:48:47] <tecnomo> most cmd vash osx ps and orcal man page
[02:48:13] <tecnomo> ss64.com it's where i know what but cmd i do know.
[02:47:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> never heard of ss64
[02:46:25] <tecnomo> Has any one done an ss64 style site but with scripts.
[02:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, wouldn't suck for us to have a regular sysadmin nexus when we get em up and running though. tip of the day at least.
[02:46:06] * Konomi gags from the nerd
[02:45:33] <juggs> TMB, you're probably right, I'm miles away from sysadmin land. I was just spewing ideas out - like an ice comet headed for Sol. :D
[02:44:45] <chromas> (wink)
[02:44:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, can not. never done it.
[02:43:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes folks just wanna add a line or two, not make a big production out of it
[02:43:19] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: you can show 'em how to set up a slashd instance
[02:43:12] <Konomi> SoylentOS is 0s and 1s too
[02:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, dunno. i think the wiki idea was better but it wouldn't suck to at least have some news/blog component to it.
[02:41:50] <juggs> But is that just not stackoverflow / stackexchange?
[02:40:06] <juggs> TMB - I'm thinking a slash/soyl/alike with nexus for OS / distro (which we want to do anyway for our nexus stuff) - sysadmins submit their latest tips n tricks as articles in the various nexus, they can be discussed an improved in commentary, and then perhaps some definitive answer reached, published on some well SEO'd headline site that functions as the quick and dirty Q&A fix that sysadmins need when their hair is on fire.
[02:34:27] <juggs> well when you have irc why re-invent the wheel. A few years (cough more than a few) I ran a similar thing using php - a browser based chat room. What a nightmare and a very rapid way to get kicked off shared hosting at the time :D
[02:32:24] <tecnomo> yes and the fact that the way they crowed play games
[02:31:13] <juggs> What did they do? Integrate it with their live vid stuff?
[02:30:41] <tecnomo> Look what twitch did with it.
[02:30:15] <juggs> ~shrug~
[02:30:05] <juggs> it does? Spent at least a decade being sneered at by friends for such things. Now it's the new cool.
[02:29:26] <tecnomo> That it does
[02:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it has mad geek cred
[02:28:48] <juggs> it may be old but it does the job
[02:28:34] <juggs> welcome
[02:28:26] <tecnomo> This is my first irc that have participated in.
[02:28:20] * chromas rubs oil on his bot. Oh yeah!
[02:28:18] <juggs> yah try #wiki on this here server
[02:28:00] <chromas> there's a few wiki-irc bots (we have one even) that announce changes and abuse blocks and stuff
[02:27:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> tecnomo, don't listen to him. he just has an irc bot fetish.
[02:27:31] <tecnomo> Can you provide an example of that chromas.
[02:27:28] <juggs> damn auto-complete
[02:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, you n yer bots
[02:27:12] * juggs whacks crutchy
[02:26:52] <chromas> anyone who wants to create an account has to stop by irc and get a token from the bot so you know they're not a bot
[02:26:52] <tecnomo> i like it
[02:26:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> now we're talkin
[02:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[02:26:34] <juggs> with links out to commonly used fixer apps
[02:26:07] <juggs> sysadmin wiki with nexus for OS / distro
[02:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> arch wiki is fairly badass
[02:25:25] <chromas> throw up a wiki—like the arch wiki but platform agnostic
[02:24:37] <tecnomo> i have ran several small Drupal sites. With low or no traffic.
[02:23:59] <juggs> :D
[02:23:54] <juggs> https://www.reddit.com
[02:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or as i like to call them, SN users
[02:22:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> built in beta testers
[02:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. might start out making it an internal site for your company's techs then and when it's going good push it live.
[02:20:39] <tecnomo> about 3k PC and servers
[02:20:31] <tecnomo> well mid sized 25 techs
[02:20:13] <tecnomo> i currently work for a small msp and a lot of peopel did't know how to change win password or what db is tell i got there
[02:20:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. newb admin's first place to look sort of thing?
[02:19:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> same rules apply for making folks want what you have.
[02:19:29] <tecnomo> i want some thing that gives peopel new to IT a place find what tool are available to them.
[02:19:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't think of it as money then. think of it as demand for what you're offering. nobody saying you HAVE to make a profit.
[02:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's all in the value you add to your base materials.
[02:18:24] <tecnomo> i dont care about the money
[02:17:56] <juggs> wait... are you looking to make $ on this or want to do something altruistic? Kinda shapes the discussion I think.
[02:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't suck but i think github and pastebin have that pretty covered
[02:17:12] <juggs> done to death
[02:16:57] <tecnomo> one suggestion i got was a past bin style site for scripts
[02:15:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of stuff to do, just takes a while to pick what you want.
[02:15:54] <juggs> perhaps offer some amalgamation of these tools on a swish looking usb key - but you need a unique sell point. Make it the invicible key. Design it with fuses in the write lines, write your collection then blow the fuses so it is irrevocably resitant to virus or malware infection from any machine it is plugged in to. This may need some seed funding.
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[02:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> or sell a phillips head screwdriver with a usb drive molded into the handle with ultimatebootcd burned to it.
[02:14:10] <tecnomo> http://trinityhome.org
[02:13:30] <cykros> www.ultimatebootcd.com i believe
[02:13:22] <cykros> the ultimate boot cd iso is probably worth having around too...that thing has most any utility you could hope for
[02:13:03] <juggs> ^^
[02:12:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> tecnomo, nobody saying you gotta do it all alone either. get a partner or a small team together if you don't feel up to it yourself.
[02:11:55] <juggs> So maybe start there... if you are a win sysadmin, no doubt you have a handy little bootable usb key or optical with your own favourite collection of tools. Be that boot sector repairers, offline registry editors or file recovery bits n bobs etc. Of course that would be a read only bootable media for sanity's sake. Do you have such a toolbelt?
[02:09:53] <tecnomo> i am Getting ready to take my Exam 70-687 Configuring Windows 8 a requirement for work.
[02:08:56] <tecnomo> But i am wiling to learn.
[02:08:40] <tecnomo> not much mainly windows admin type stuff.
[02:07:47] <juggs> tecnomo, what are your skills up to? Perhaps we should start from there?
[02:07:07] <tecnomo> My skills are not up to any type of live cd.
[02:06:37] <SirFinkus> http://all-geo.org
[02:06:21] <SirFinkus> the latter juggs
[02:06:10] <tecnomo> i had to buy it
[02:06:03] <tecnomo> i know it was like 3 am. i was just looking around and was like i wounder whats on this domain.
[02:04:07] <juggs> surprised you found that name un-camped
[02:02:57] <juggs> another hirens boot cd type thing? Maybe a dual boot flashy stainless steel usb key that can boot to TAILS, Hirens, Some-Win-Environment with all the windowsy ex-sysinternals tools stuff pre-rolled
[02:00:40] <tecnomo> not a squatter
[02:00:34] <tecnomo> i got from godaddy
[02:00:23] <tecnomo> i was not bought yet
[02:00:19] <tecnomo> just bought sysadmintoolbox.com any one got an idea for it
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[01:59:39] <juggs> I am unsure if that is oil on canvas or an extreme close-up of some exotic mineral deposit :-/
[01:37:55] <SirFinkus> just saw this sexy thing
[01:37:50] <SirFinkus> http://all-geo.org
[01:35:26] <dx3bydt3> Tig remains the only viable option for our stuff.
[01:34:35] <dx3bydt3> we were doing right angle butt joints of extruded profiles though, and it didn't ever work out.
[01:34:02] <dx3bydt3> at work we tried to get friction stir welding working to join thin(0 .030") aluminum
[01:33:56] <SirFinkus> nothing well ever been as cool as explosive welding though
[01:33:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, someone linked that here a while back. it's downright nifty.
[01:32:56] <NetCraft> ^ 03Friction Stir Steel Butt Weld Demonstration - Manufacturing Technology, Inc. - YouTube
[01:32:56] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com 2nd neatest welding technology
[01:32:27] <dx3bydt3> Well done.
[01:32:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> 18 years and not a single busted weld. i'm calling it a win.
[01:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i never did it professionally except on the odd occasion i needed to weld something for the used car lot i worked at. did build my own metal shop building though.
[01:30:15] <dx3bydt3> when I made my still I welded some 2" copper pipe to 2" stainless steel, it worked perfectly, and you can see the blending of the alloy in the weld. That's something else that is brilliant about tig, it is just so flexible in what you can do.
[01:28:11] <juggs> Ya the ex-aero guys got to do the showy parts, like custom stainless headers and stuff - I was the lowly citizen doing stuff that mostly wouldn't be seen with the mig and general spannering. They'd occasionally let me loose on a real part with the tig once I'd noob'd around with offcuts for long enough to risk it :D Happy days.
[01:26:51] <dx3bydt3> you do need to be careful about the arc, and the fill, and keep the pool steady, but that's true regardless.
[01:25:44] <dx3bydt3> Steel wants to warp. Stainless more so. Aluminum stays where you clamp it, and flows the same way every time.
[01:24:32] <dx3bydt3> Not so much with tig, I prefer it really. It is predictable.
[01:23:58] <SirFinkus> I've heard aluminum is a real pita to weld
[01:23:26] <dx3bydt3> Aluminum or stainless steel ends up looking pristine after doing a bead, with no brushing or grinding. That said, it is much much slower than mig.
[01:21:50] <SirFinkus> tig looks fun
[01:21:41] <dx3bydt3> I've welded stuff with tig that I couldn't imagine welding otherwise.
[01:21:23] <SirFinkus> my teacher said it's much easier to go stick -> mig than the other way around
[01:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, zactly
[01:21:13] <dx3bydt3> I've done tig, mig, and some stick welding with a crappy stick welder. I love tig.
[01:21:02] <juggs> tig is very hard to do well. Worked with some ex-aerospace apprenticed guys while mechanicing - their welds were pieces of art.
[01:20:02] <SirFinkus> I've never used a mig welder
[01:19:42] <juggs> seems so to me. but then my experiences have been with an ancient stick welder from the ark (hoho) vs more recent mig kit with better eyewear etc. so not a fair comparison really,
[01:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> tig, man i never used it but i seen some beautiful welds done with that...
[01:19:18] <SirFinkus> because you have a little more flexibility adjusting stuff, and you don't need to keep moving your hand to different positions as the rod is consumed
[01:18:27] <SirFinkus> my impression is that mig welding is a little easier
[01:17:57] <juggs> same with mig, set feed rate, set gas, choose wire gauge, learn to keep the pool moving. Like absolutely an tool at all really. Give a basic impact driver and a hammer to someone unfamiliar with them and they'll end up breaking digits not removing stubborn fixtures.
[01:17:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of these days i'll get to use a good welder. until then it's 45/60/etc...
[01:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> or fine tune your welding style if your cracker box doesn't allow for anything very fine.
[01:15:49] <SirFinkus> gotta fine tune your amperage based on the position, the rod, and your welding style
[01:15:28] <SirFinkus> except for the gas shit of course
[01:15:17] <SirFinkus> same with stick welding
[01:14:39] <juggs> just practice. I did a fair bit of mig when I was mechanicing, you get to know what to use and what gas rate to set after a while and then it just flows.
[01:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> well brazing too. learned that retipping oil well drill bits.
[01:13:44] <SirFinkus> just stick and oxy fuel stuff for me
[01:13:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, oh sure. it's a simple stain and finish. easy to redo.
[01:13:21] <SirFinkus> if you're really good, and using 7018, the slag should peel itself up as you go
[01:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly cause i never had a mig or tig
[01:13:19] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, surely you can just sand those marks out and re-finish?
[01:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i never put mig or tig rig in my hands. stick only.
[01:12:57] <SirFinkus> it takes a certain touch
[01:12:36] <juggs> SirFinkus, only time I tried stick welding I ended up with an unholy lumpy mess. Either the stick would ermmm stick to the piece of would not strike. Much prefer mig or even tig.
[01:12:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i feel kinda bad about having my mahogany end table i made all covered up with shit, coffee rings, and ground in ashes from the ashtray mucking it up now.
[01:11:08] <juggs> oh some sensitivity about it being used offensively to malign self described Romany Gypsy travellers (caravan folk). It's all pure coincidence that when a travelling caravan horde pull up in the vicinity anything metallic, not nailed down and electrified goes missing. No, they proclaim, it's not them guv. As they drive around all day in flat beds, ring bells asking for scrap metal. Nope, that's just a spurious correlation
[01:09:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, that's like $20k worth of lumber nowadays. moreso because it's mahogany from somewhere that's illegal to get mahogany from anymore and very, very good quality.
[01:09:08] <NetCraft> ^ 03Stick Welding Tips for 6010 Open Root &7018 fill cap - YouTube ( http://www.youtube.com )
[01:09:07] <SirFinkus> http://youtu.be
[01:07:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent, i can enjoy using it even more.
[01:07:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not?
[01:07:15] <juggs> oh wait "pikeys" is not a pc word any more. thieving scum.
[01:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i may just ebay that shit. it's selling for $14 or so a board foot right now.
[01:06:02] <juggs> same with my copper - plumbers' merchant closing down. Have to keep it in the house - keep copper in an outhouse these days and it goes walk about. I've had the damn stuff propped up in the corner of one room or another for longer than I can remember. Effin pikeys even ripped down my coax tv aerial and made away with is, presumably for the copper core.
[01:06:01] <SirFinkus> then you fill in the rest with 7018
[01:05:55] <SirFinkus> if you do it right, you'll get a bead on both sides
[01:05:46] <SirFinkus> the key is you have a hole in your puddle that closes up at the backside
[01:05:29] <SirFinkus> first pass is with 6010
[01:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i just like it cause it has the word butt in it then
[01:05:16] <SirFinkus> grind down the edges at a 45 degree angle
[01:05:05] <SirFinkus> you get two piece of metal
[01:05:00] <SirFinkus> naw, it's magical
[01:04:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just like it cause it has the word butt in it
[01:04:30] <SirFinkus> butt welding was my favorite
[01:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, yeah. i paid a dollar a board foot cause a lumber yard was closing down.
[01:03:57] <SirFinkus> good fun
[01:03:50] <SirFinkus> I did mostly stick welding
[01:03:38] <juggs> mahogany is seriously pricey these days.
[01:03:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> now welding i like. i'm not badass at it but i can run a fairly pretty bead with a cracker box.
[01:03:00] <SirFinkus> I eventually got kind of decent at welding
[01:02:42] <juggs> tiling is the one job I absolutely detest with a deep loathing I have felt for no other task. 10 minutes in and I'm effin and blinding and throwing tantrums. Just something about it drives me insane. Never, ever, again.
[01:02:37] <SirFinkus> I did a bit of metal and woodshop in high school, I was pretty bad at everything except mastercam
[01:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, taping and bedding drywall is the hardest for me.
[01:01:41] <SirFinkus> for a big room I'd probably be fucked though
[01:01:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, ya, i have about... um... yeah i have no idea how many board feet but it's a hundred or two 14' long 1x12s of mahogany sitting in my shop loft waiting to be used up.
[01:01:26] <SirFinkus> I was decent at ti
[01:01:18] <SirFinkus> just small bathrooms
[01:01:14] <SirFinkus> haha, I've actually done a little tiling
[01:00:51] <juggs> except tiling... that needs devilry.
[01:00:35] <SirFinkus> the idea of "talent" is mostly bullshit
[01:00:20] <SirFinkus> yeah, same with everything else
[01:00:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, only thing to it is do it until you're good at it.
[01:00:03] <juggs> I am gradually making my way through my 100 length bundle of 15mm copper pipes though... well, I've used about 1/3rd of it in 20 years or so and it's moved with me all that time :D
[00:59:20] * SirFinkus wishes he could build things with his hands
[00:58:41] <juggs> ahh - there's some of those too. Ohh.. look, in the bargain bin, reputable make, might come in handy. Yah, there's a feckin reason it's in the bargain bin... no-one ever has a use for it :D
[00:57:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> how bout the ones you've never used but seemed like a good idea to buy anyway?
[00:57:23] <juggs> steel plumbing can be fun too... get to break out the big taps and dies for those. My shelves of tools I've only used for one job ever is somewhat worrying though.
[00:56:04] <ciri> nite, sleep well TheMightyBuzzard
[00:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[00:55:59] <paulej72> well i think i am going to read a book later all
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[00:55:47] <paulej72> cya mechanicjay
[00:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
[00:55:20] <mechanicjay> gotta run, later guys.
[00:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah. bet that made for some fun.
[00:54:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> man picard can suck it. kirk ftmfw
[00:54:24] <paulej72> never has to do one as pvc and abs are common where i has to do stuff, but when my house wasmbuilt it seems that some driun lines were never glued
[00:54:04] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Space
[00:53:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03Star Trek: The Next Generation Intro HD - YouTube
[00:53:52] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> https://www.youtube.com
[00:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> those been illegal for quite a while in the areas i worked though.
[00:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't really need to pour em. get the soft stuff and hammer it tight.
[00:51:56] <paulej72> lets do some cast iron drains with poured lead joints
[00:51:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can do electronics soldering, if barely. surface mount can eat a dick though.
[00:51:44] <juggs> paulej72, then ur screwed - if it's wet, it ain't going to solder. End of. You just get steam... and leaks.
[00:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun. yeah that'll make for bad joints.
[00:51:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> shush it or i shall solder your ass-crack up
[00:50:58] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> I am an electronic solderer
[00:50:56] <paulej72> juggs forgot to mention that most of my copper jobs there was always water in the pipe because the upstream valve would alwas leak
[00:50:43] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Buzzbomb is a plumber-solderer
[00:50:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> San-Diego-Super-Chargers, talking soldering plumbing here
[00:50:18] <juggs> :D
[00:50:11] <juggs> I'd have thought a propane torch would be an issue around electronics too Sanny
[00:49:58] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> silver solder will destroy you.
[00:49:33] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> oh god, once you go t silver solder your electronics will l suffer!
[00:49:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, propane should work.
[00:49:19] <juggs> paulej72, use yorkshire fittings (solder ring) if end feed is being a bitch on copper.
[00:49:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure the actual temp
[00:49:10] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> sukllver solder?
[00:49:09] <paulej72> map gas or something hotter
[00:48:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> cherry red
[00:48:17] <paulej72> what temp for silver solder
[00:47:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> after training and doing hvac for a few years, i could do it on my back where i could barely see the joint like nothin. silver solder ftw here by the way.
[00:47:34] <paulej72> the lead free stuff for potable water is a bitch to work with
[00:46:56] <paulej72> not sure if it is my solder or what
[00:46:50] <juggs> yeh, like anything, there's a knack to it. Most common mistake seems to be too much heat, or way to much flux all over the damn place making the solder run everywhere.
[00:46:27] <paulej72> i never seem to get a good solder joint on the first time. i always seem to need to do it again
[00:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hehehe. copper was a pain until i spent my army training learning to solder it for AC units.
[00:45:28] <juggs> I love noodling around with copper plumbing and solder. Everything seems to be going speedfit / pushfit hdpe these days though which I find a shame.
[00:45:11] <paulej72> plumbing got easy when i switched to pvc from copper
[00:45:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly bamboo flooring but the path from the back door to the garage door is in tile cause heavy traffic
[00:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i just did the same to mine... guess it was this year.
[00:44:08] <juggs> hehe - you would have a laugh at my carpentry efforts... nothing ever square... same goes for tiling. elecs and plumbing are straight forward enough (nice to have decent test gear for elec stuff mind just to be sure)
[00:43:55] <paulej72> i wired up the garage when i was 12, when my dad and i were finifhing the inside.
[00:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it takes a LOT of tamping down the sand and you do NOT want to try to do that alone by hand.
[00:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i could build an entire house. electric, plumbing, heating and air, all the carpentry, bricklaying... only thing i'd need to hire done is pouring the foundation and that only because i've done it before and know what a bitch it is for anything large.
[00:41:29] <paulej72> diesels dont have carbs though :)
[00:40:39] <paulej72> i was fairly young when i rebulit my first carb. must hav been 13 or so
[00:40:11] <juggs> spent many a happy hour rejetting 2-stroke carbs to match higher flowing filters and expansion pipes for bikes and karts
[00:39:26] <paulej72> they use them in south jersey to pull gas lines
[00:39:13] <juggs> indeed
[00:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. if you haven't rebuilt a carburetor, you haven't lived.
[00:39:04] <juggs> yah
[00:38:58] <paulej72> juggs: that woks where soil conditions are right. sandy soils are best
[00:38:11] <paulej72> i was helping my day by the time i was 12 with major repairs
[00:38:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, i used to be. then i got old n lazy.
[00:38:01] <NetCraft> ^ 03Emtelle - Moleploughing
[00:38:00] <juggs> I was thinking more of one of these... http://www.emtelle.com no need to backfill and pulls the cable / conduit as it goes.
[00:37:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun.
[00:37:31] <mechanicjay> I'm too cheap to pay anyone to do anything for me, so I learn and I do.
[00:37:30] <paulej72> woked on big diesel tri axle coal trucks at my grand fathers trucking company
[00:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly. i could do basic car maintenance by like 8 years old.
[00:36:17] <paulej72> i may be in that same boat. i grew up learning about how to do eveything as we were too poor to pay to have stuff done
[00:35:47] <juggs> ye gads those things look like something out of mad max
[00:35:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> true
[00:35:03] <paulej72> depends what you need to burry. if it is a 24" water main you need a big one
[00:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may not be as well traveled as NC but I bet ya my favorite mouse that i know how to do a wider variety of jobs than most anyone in this channel.
[00:34:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03Trenchers | Ditch Witch
[00:34:17] <paulej72> http://www.ditchwitch.com
[00:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> hand operated is generally enough unless you really need it done quickly
[00:32:19] <paulej72> depnding on the size can be walk behid or riding
[00:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, basically a dirt saw
[00:31:31] <paulej72> looks like a chainsaw on steroids
[00:30:39] <paulej72> not a tunnel but rather a surface trench. piput you stuff in and backfill
[00:30:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Ditch Witch Catalogs
[00:29:59] <paulej72> http://www.joomag.com
[00:29:56] <juggs> tunnel boring thing? Think we call them "moles" here. Utilities use them to run conduit and stuff under roadways etc
[00:27:35] <paulej72> ditch witch is a trenching machine that can make a trench usuallt a aroud a foot wid or less and 3to4 feet deep
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[00:21:22] <juggs> They get moved by wind in certain freezing conditions :D
[00:20:56] <juggs> http://www.npr.org that was the one.
[00:20:54] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Mortero (utensilio)
[00:20:54] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> http://es.wikipedia.org
[00:20:21] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> In my backyard, boulders are important because the indigenous peoples used them as morteros
[00:19:46] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Correct, Juggs, even in my backyard :)
[00:19:37] * juggs goes to dig out a link
[00:19:25] <juggs> aren't there some massive desert boulders that ~do~ move... leave trails behind themselves. Read about it recently as someone worked out the mechanism by which they moved.
[00:18:40] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> Buzzard, what's a ditch witch? A Bobcat?
[00:18:20] <paulej72> fuck the dishes. that is what i think i may do
[00:17:54] <paulej72> this land was once covered in glaciers and the shit leftover covers everything. large bolders are a natual feature in many landscapes beacuse the are too big to move
[00:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, forgot dishes. back in a few.
[00:16:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> your pain, i feels it.
[00:15:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> oklahoma, land of red clay just below the topsoil.
[00:15:11] <paulej72> hard clay and rock is not fun to trench
[00:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh
[00:14:37] <paulej72> it is all pole hung in my area, and there is a right a way for the powerband telephone
[00:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously, a ditch witch costs very little to rent for a day. you could have them a trench dug easy on a saturday off.
[00:13:25] <paulej72> plus my service is burried from the pole to the house. if i did get the cable extended inwould have to run a new trench to the pole
[00:12:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> tell em you'll get a shovel n dig the hole
[00:10:40] <paulej72> my house in pa is about .3 mi from the end of the cable line
[00:09:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly, at&t has its own flavor of suck too though.
[00:09:26] <paulej72> dish sucks for internet access
[00:08:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> on account of pirates don't tell me how i can and can't watch what i want when i want
[00:08:35] <paulej72> yes it is the local game ny area and philly ( i get both stations)
[00:08:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have dish but aside from news i pirate all my tv
[00:07:43] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> or walk to the local negro-bar.
[00:07:29] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> I need to find a stream.
[00:07:25] <paulej72> touchdown
[00:07:13] <San-Diego-Super-Chargers> pauley probably has a TV, and cable service.
[00:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, was just watchin that. giants gettin a giant one right up the ass.
[00:06:47] <paulej72> seahawks at the 3
[00:04:26] <Bender> karma - tea: 226
[00:04:26] <ar> tea++
[00:04:24] <paulej72> the sky
[00:04:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 906
[00:04:22] <ar> coffee--
[00:04:16] <ciri> hey whats up ar
[00:04:15] <ar> hi
[00:04:01] <paulej72> eli sucks
[00:03:44] <paulej72> 31 to 17