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[23:51:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Time Spent Preparing Food at Home Affects Children's Eating Behaviour - http://sylnt.us - would-you-like-some-toast?
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[23:37:28] <juggs> flower?
[23:36:23] <paulej72> where have all the flower gone
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[22:40:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - (Finally) Announcing a Specification for PHP - http://sylnt.us - pretty-happy-programmers
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[21:59:42] <Blackmoore> i hate that
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[21:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun. whole computer locked up while playing minecraft.
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[21:01:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Group Buying Reduces Energy Bills - http://sylnt.us - there-is-power-in-numbers
[20:43:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, feel free to explore around it. ima have a smoke.
[20:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> including the monty python one
[20:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> they added rabbits
[20:41:05] <arti> they should add sheeple
[20:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and half a million chickens
[20:40:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably the thousand cows in such a small space
[20:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap i guess you would've been. outgoing data rate was insane there for a few minutes
[20:39:41] <arti> cool ranch, hitting some latency
[20:20:35] <arti> oh sweet, they made that pretty easy
[20:19:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. in the launcher where it says use latest version, switch that to 31a
[20:19:34] <arti> minecraft gettting all fancy
[20:19:25] <arti> aaaah
[20:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> snapshots the launcher downloads itself as necessary if you have snapshots enabled
[20:19:16] <arti> if i attempt to connect it says outdated client please use 14w31a
[20:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, don't worry about getting the snapshot build just get 1.7.10
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[20:18:33] <arti> found the build page, searched 4 other sites
[20:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[20:18:17] <arti> i downloaded the server
[20:18:14] <arti> where do i download this client
[20:18:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup
[20:17:41] <arti> hmmm
[20:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> my art is almost as good as that on xkcd
[20:12:10] <arti> juggs, yay for programmer art
[20:10:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, crashed
[20:09:57] * juggs notes he utterly sucks at anything graphics related
[20:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't matter, server is in offline mode
[20:09:19] <arti> resetting my pw
[20:07:55] <arti> 41a ernie!
[20:07:52] <arti> sounds like some total recall package
[20:07:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome to look around or carve out your own bit of territory. currently on 14w31a snapshot
[20:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> tmbvm.ddns.net
[20:06:01] * arti downloads the newest minecraft
[20:05:53] <arti> hook it up with your server address again pls
[20:05:46] <arti> oh yes!
[20:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> large checkerboard patterned floors take a loooong time to make
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[19:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> minecraft and otherwise dicking-off until then
[19:54:47] <paulej72> ok, it will be soonish
[19:54:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, let me know when you're free and clear of actual work and have time to start integrating ipn and paypal-specific logging. have the pastebins handy in tabs so i don't forget about them.
[19:46:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, so we're mostly getting around to it when we have time.
[19:45:15] <Blackmoore> makes sense. kinda need both the functionality and the cert.
[19:43:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we were going to point release it, but the wildcard cert dpended on get the SN PBC setup first as we needed a legal entity to own the wildcard cert ( they don’t hand them out willy nilly)
[19:41:58] <paulej72> seems to be working, but have not tested it in a while.
[19:41:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> knew it was at least mostly working. didn't know it was done.
[19:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, finalized is it?
[19:41:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that and demand for subgroupings
[19:41:14] <paulej72> code is all part of the next relese
[19:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that's backburnered waiting on NC to feel the sincere urge and the code to all be in place for nexuses, yes?
[19:40:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sprint's New Facebook-Only Data Plan Is a Sad Internet Future - http://sylnt.us - do-the-math-it's-not-a-bargain
[19:39:13] <paulej72> nexus support is depenedent on getting our wildcard ssl cert. We need to be able to have the loadbalancer handle the ssl for all nexus.soylentnews.org sites. This can be done best by a wildcard cert
[19:39:05] <arti> i think the users on those servers should be put into separate instances
[19:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i don't mind burning karma arguing and it shows up the flaws in the moderation system.
[19:37:51] <arti> if only there was some way to store weapons with civilians safely
[19:37:18] <arti> the only winning move is not to play
[19:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, but no. I was arguing that israelis defending themselves when attacked is not reprehensible. seems to be a fairly unpopular opinion.
[19:31:09] <arti> harrumph
[19:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, they are. you can tell by how they well and truly they suck.
[19:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a website though and that's enough tech for me to get behind a story on it disappearing and reappearing.
[19:28:25] <arti> god i hate that
[19:28:18] <arti> are you going on about women being people again?
[19:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i'm aware of
[19:08:49] <Blackmoore> because I'm looking at stuff that's just outside of our current mantra.
[19:08:06] <Blackmoore> She gave me a number of resources. geh. are the sub-groups ready to roll out?
[19:05:59] <Blackmoore> I'll have to see what I can do with this.
[19:05:43] <Blackmoore> *sigh* I'd love to. but i'd need about 12 more hours to my day; or a replacment income.
[19:04:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> time for some first hand reporting on SN instead of 100% aggregation/meta?
[19:03:36] <Blackmoore> yeah
[19:03:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[19:02:57] <Blackmoore> i wasn't expecting a response but i got an email back from pj (of groklaw)
[19:02:25] <Blackmoore> huh..
[18:56:20] * TheMightyBuzzard is really racking up the -1 Disagree mods today
[18:56:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 484
[18:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[18:37:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 483
[18:37:05] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[18:36:53] <Blackmoore> dang it
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[18:23:38] <mrcoolbp> someone broked it
[18:23:32] <mrcoolbp> ~weather Netherlands
[18:23:25] <mrcoolbp> ~time Netherlands
[18:11:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Programmable Tiny 3D Printed Robots Called Droidles - http://sylnt.us - version-two-is-self-replicating
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[16:31:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bittorrent Unveils Encrypted, Serverless Chat Client - http://sylnt.us - bleeping-anonymity
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[15:53:41] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: that just leaves the "No rate limiting/spam filtering" which we could add later
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[15:53:21] <mrcoolbp> there are no ads so that's covered for now
[15:53:10] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: at a minimum, we should try for the badge * on/off and full comment history at launch
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[15:45:49] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by NCommander (2)
[15:45:49] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: this might help with digging up the comment histories http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:32] <mrcoolbp> later sir.
[15:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, that's a good several hours in today. think i'll be productive some other way for a while.
[15:38:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[15:38:38] <mrcoolbp> my comment stands.
[15:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad thing is it was either me or one of my critters and they don't drink coffee.
[15:35:07] <mrcoolbp> bunch of savages
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[15:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn. someone went and drank up all my coffee.
[15:29:32] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:29:03] <paulej72> lunch time. bbl
[15:26:15] * mrcoolbp puts away his clue bat
[15:22:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> the clue bat does not have to be wrapped in bricks to get through my skull in other words.
[15:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i am of superior wisdom and can learn from the mistakes of others.
[15:21:39] <mrcoolbp> found that out the hard way?
[15:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd mail him some anhydrous caffeine but the post office frowns on people putting white powder in envelopes nowadays
[15:20:58] * mrcoolbp considers sending out swag proposal to staff-list today
[15:20:28] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:20:17] <paulej72> get mrcoolbp a coffee iv bag stat
[15:19:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. six of one, half a dozen of the other to me
[15:19:23] * mrcoolbp stares at desk blankly 'till coffee kicks in
[15:19:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not real method lover, but that is the slash way.
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[15:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> they should be drop-in happy, typos and bloody stupid mistakes aside.
[15:18:38] <monopoly> ^ 03[Perl] ppipn.pl updated - Pastebin.com
[15:18:38] <monopoly> ^ 03[Perl] Add to Subscribe.pl for ppipn.pl - Pastebin.com
[15:18:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got ya some pastebins that are all method-ified since you seem to be lurving on the methods on this project. http://pastebin.com and http://pastebin.com
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[15:15:00] <paulej72> no posts without it.
[15:14:42] <paulej72> Also note the breaking reskey breaks almost everything
[15:14:20] <paulej72> Full comment histories are a bit easier as I have seen that code and I may be able to easily fix that.
[15:14:12] <mrcoolbp> nod
[15:13:37] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the rate limiting is part of the reskey system, and I have not really looked at that code much. It will take a bit of work to find all of the places where things are rate limited and remove them.
[15:12:46] <mrcoolbp> = /
[15:12:02] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: hrm
[15:11:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: it may be that we get the subscription payment option going without having anything but badges for now.
[15:11:38] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yeah, the -early access to features sounds difficult
[15:10:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Discover Potential Blood Test for Suicide Risk - http://sylnt.us - keep-calm-and-carry-on
[15:10:48] <paulej72> Also the rate limiting stuff. I am not removing the spam filters for subscribers. Most are going away as part of the utf8 upgrade.
[15:09:49] <paulej72> Full comment histories is something I will need to look into.
[15:09:16] <paulej72> early access to featues will be an issue.
[15:08:54] <paulej72> well some of that is a going to be a bitch to setup.
[15:06:32] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Back To The Drawing Board: Rethinking Subscription + Explaing Expenses 04(109 comments):
[15:06:31] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: subscriber benefits: http://soylentnews.org
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[14:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy, i'll get it figured out
[14:15:08] <paulej72> bbl
[14:15:04] <paulej72> ok got to go do real work.
[14:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod. i do my $pages = getPagesByTxn($ipn->txn_id); right now but that needs to change to use date
[14:14:02] <paulej72> based on the old slash code I calculate the days using the the payment amount using the sub in Subscriber.pm
[14:12:57] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: better to delete the days based on the payment. someone may have multiple subs and cancel one. so removing 365 will still give time in the future.
[14:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> can do the other at the same time though.
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[14:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait no. doing remove chargeback payment's worth of days right now.
[14:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing that now
[14:09:43] <paulej72> we should write a sub similar to addDaysToSubscriber and call it removeSubscription. Set the subscribe_until date to yesterday. ie dt->subtract with one day.
[14:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> addDaysToSubscriber looks like the one i need to mirror for removal
[14:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:05:34] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: /srv/soylentnews.org/src/slashcode is my working directory. see both Subscribe.pm and subscribe.pl
[14:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause that's what i'm writing now and i'd rather not duplicate work.
[14:05:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have one to remove a subscription worth of days for chargebacks?
[14:04:33] <paulej72> there is a sub for that.
[14:04:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i'll read the wackiness out of dev's Subscribe.pm then.
[14:04:09] <paulej72> yes
[14:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh frak, you were converting to dates, weren't you.
[14:03:56] <paulej72> fuck yeah, I have it working.
[14:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... you have what we're using in code on dev?
[14:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hits_paidfor
[14:02:40] <paulej72> we wil not be using that field any more.
[14:02:22] <paulej72> users_hits
[14:01:53] <paulej72> subscriber_hits or somehting like that
[13:52:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, i can find that from the adding pages code. nevermind.
[13:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... you know offhand where we store the pages remaining for subscribers?
[13:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not cool that we're forcing login but cool that you found it.
[13:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[13:46:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i think i figured out my error. When I do a sucessful payment, I send the user back to the edit page with the appropriate message at the top. The issue seem that sometimes slash is forcing a login when this happens. either I am sending the wrong parameters to the edit op, or varnish is getting in my way big time.
[13:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, i wish the bastiches writing these utility subs had commented on what they do/how to call them.
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[13:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> score. something to do.
[13:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i need to write removePagesFromUID and removePayment subs.
[13:31:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger, just going to nix all the subs over to Subscribe.pm then
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[13:31:12] <paulej72> yes that will go into Subscribe.pm
[13:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> checks to see if the payment is already in the db, returns 1 if it is.
[13:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i have a paymentExists sub if you want to put it in Subscribe.pm
[13:28:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> need a new transaction if you want to test it
[13:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> that means that entry is already in there
[13:27:42] <paulej72> looks like it may have worked at some point.
[13:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, excellent
[13:27:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Duplicate entry '75M20311149168238' for key 'transaction_id' -- INSERT INTO subscribe_payments
[13:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> whole url then. nod nod.
[13:27:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i would say with.
[13:24:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> paypal_host with or without "https://"?
[13:24:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely, i'll have an eye grep at it after i get this ready to ship.
[13:23:45] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: yes once I add it in.
[13:23:28] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: my current issue is the database insert for payments is not working, and I am not sure why. It is probably some stupid missing punctuation.
[13:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, named 'paypal_host' in the vars table, yes?
[13:22:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sure thing. won't hurt to tell ipn specifically to use prod paypal server even though it defaults to it unless you supply another address.
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[13:18:54] <Bytram|away> ok gtgt
[13:18:46] <Bytram|away> replace all possibly-space-separated sequences of two break tags with a close-paragraph-and-a-start-paragraph tag
[13:18:43] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I would rather set it to use a paypal_host var as sandbox is triggered just by changing the host name. This way it makes it harder to change dev off of the sandbox.
[13:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, have a paymentExists that checks if the transaction id already exists. do we want that in Subscribe.pm? i mean would you ever use it for pdt or anything else?
[13:18:27] <crutchy> you and your black magic
[13:17:59] <Bytram|away> s#<br>[[:space:]]*<br>#</p><p>#
[13:17:50] <crutchy> :-d
[13:17:44] <crutchy> WAAAAAAZZZZUUUUUUUUUPPPP!!!!
[13:17:14] <Bytram|away> btw, while I'm remembering it... when processing a story submission as an editor, it would be a tremendous help if you could do something like this:
[13:16:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> any true value sets ipn to use the sandbox
[13:16:16] <crutchy> cya Bytram|away
[13:16:09] <Bytram|away> ok gtg
[13:16:07] <Bytram|away> nod nod; recreation is good. =)
[13:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, already set a $DEBUG variable for that in ppipn.pl. feel free to set $DEBUG's value however you need.
[13:15:47] <crutchy> but the records get automatically created, so hopefully wont take long to be recreated
[13:15:32] * Bytram|away tenderly offers crutchy a bandaid
[13:15:17] <crutchy> yeah. kinda sucked
[13:15:03] <Bytram|away> crutchy: oh, wait a minute... it's NOT that you had 60000 tests *fail*, but you *broke* 6000 tests? OUCH!!!
[13:14:54] <crutchy> luckily i don't have to do anything but use the application
[13:14:49] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have dev currently set on paypal ssandbox. I need to turn that pp url into a var so we can set it outsdie of the code. This way dev can stay connected to the sandbox and prod can be set up on live pp.
[13:14:33] <crutchy> they're gradually building up again
[13:14:20] <Bytram|away> ;-P
[13:14:07] <Bytram|away> crutchy: AWESOME!!!!
[13:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[13:14:06] <crutchy> that was a hard pill to swallow
[13:14:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i guess you could test it via sending test things through paypal test server
[13:13:57] <crutchy> i think it was last week i made a change at work that blew away about 6000 automated test records
[13:13:47] <Bytram|away> would love to stay and chat, but I gtg get ready to meet a friend (if all works out) and go to the beach today.
[13:13:21] <Bytram|away> have done some, not so much with browsers - UI variations and timing are a pain.
[13:12:56] <crutchy> automated regression testing
[13:12:54] <Bytram|away> would be nice to have the spec up on the wiki
[13:12:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing much you can test on it though. it won't process anything not sent from paypal.
[13:12:49] <crutchy> are you into unit tests Bytram|away ?
[13:12:37] <paulej72> Bytram|away: the subscription module has one var that sets whether admins or all users see the sub page, but once it is installed it can not be disabled by a simple var.
[13:12:28] <Bytram|away> much obliged!
[13:12:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, will give it a go for ppipn.pl. really nothing much to what i've done though.
[13:12:11] * Bytram|away is *very* creative when it comes to permutation generation; like exploring a cave looking for treasure.
[13:11:48] <Bytram|away> paulej72: whatever function is exposed by adding subscriptions... I'd like to verify it works as expected, and doesn't do anything UNexpected.
[13:11:43] <crutchy> !rm subscription.pl should disable it anyway
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[13:11:08] <Bytram|away> nope, not that either.
[13:11:04] <paulej72> Bytram|away: toggle off the whole subscription module or just parts of it.
[13:11:00] <Bytram|away> !pseudo sudo subscribe crutchy on
[13:10:38] <crutchy> hmm guess its not that
[13:10:26] <crutchy> !sudo subscribe crutchy on
[13:10:23] * Bytram|away should have made the same request for utf8 support, but kind of figured it out as I went; would rather not repeat it.
[13:09:54] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: paulej72: could you wizzards please document what all is in the subscription code (and how it's toggled on/off -- can I do it manually?) so I can try and QA it?
[13:09:36] <crutchy> everything goes to arse when i'm shaped
[13:09:33] <paulej72> crutchy: we need a new cloaking module that talks to the slash db. That was talked about but nothing has come of it yet.
[13:09:15] <crutchy> i'm shaped
[13:09:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's really surprisingly small.
[13:08:54] <crutchy> exec not here sorry
[13:08:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, roger dodger. i'll clean it up and ship it out this morning sometime.
[13:08:39] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
[13:08:38] <Bytram|away> ~weather crutchy
[13:08:31] <Bytram|away> crutchy: g'day!
[13:08:27] <paulej72> yes on off switch for the * as well
[13:08:18] <crutchy> maybe they could get a fooly sick irc cloak too
[13:08:14] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: either paste bin it, or put it up on github as a branch.
[13:08:07] <Bytram|away> paulej72: ah.... forgot about the extra karma bonus.
[13:07:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, and the on/off switch for the *
[13:07:33] <Bytram|away> btw, the reason I asked about the swag store directly accepting credit cards, that could be another avenue for signing up subscriptions... "sell" 'em a nice certificate for $20/$25 (or whatever it is) that entitles 'em to a year's subscription. Collector's item, too!
[13:07:15] <paulej72> as far as I can tell, we are only adding a * next to comments. I think we are also disabling the karma bonus that subscribers get. I need to double check my work and make sure I disabled that feature.
[13:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be just the ppipn.pl file. the subs that need to come out to Subscribe.pm i've already sent you for integration.
[13:06:31] <crutchy> pity i can't invite tama into here. we've been 'teaching' it :-d
[13:05:48] <crutchy> does it inject gooey goodness into your browser?
[13:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i was just going to put it in. you'd have to tell paypal where to send stuff to get it fired up.
[13:05:44] <Bytram|away> istr they can comment on a story ahead of time, too? (i don't recall how long, though) as well as FULL access to posting history
[13:05:17] <paulej72> no this one is digital and more ephemeral
[13:05:07] <Bytram|away> =)
[13:04:59] <Bytram|away> like my kindergarten teacher used to give me?
[13:04:49] <Bender> karma - iced_coffee: 2
[13:04:49] <crutchy> iced_coffee++
[13:04:45] <paulej72> Bytram|away: they get a *
[13:04:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I think I would like to add the ipn stuff, as I want to make sure we have the same stuff added to both engines.
[13:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, i was wondering myself earlier. cause we'd talked about shell access and that definitely is not set up.
[13:04:32] <Bytram|away> hmmm, does the upcoming swag store accept credit cards?
[13:04:03] <Bytram|away> is there a spec anywhere that documents exactly WHAT the subscriber gets, and what they see, and how they sign up?
[13:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, probably right since they'll be in the paypal_log table
[13:03:16] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: pending payments should have no logic.
[13:03:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're testing on dev, yes? which directory and i'll slap ipn up on it today.
[13:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sounds good to me. ipn should be technically working for basic payments and revoked payments both. no logic for pending though.
[13:02:42] <paulej72> good morning,
[13:02:34] <Bytram|away> paulej72: g'morning!
[13:02:30] <Bytram|away> paulej72: yay!!!
[13:02:19] <Bytram|away> I'm thinking that phones and tablets are getting to the point that I could prolly use a wireless USB kbd with one, send the output through HDMI to a screen, and use it as my main box... but that's quite a jump from where I'm currently at.
[13:01:47] <paulej72> I really want to hold off on a prod deploy until we get subscription code working. The first draft of it is almost at a useable point.
[13:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun
[13:01:15] <Bytram|away> (and KEYBOARD!)
[13:01:08] <Bytram|away> s/bo/box/
[13:01:04] <Bytram|away> otoh, I'm realizing I'll need a new bo 'ere long, too.
[13:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, probably going to order it in this weekend.
[13:00:51] <Bytram|away> yup.
[13:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> that, my friend, is a goodly amount of research for a keyboard.
[13:00:24] <Bytram|away> coffee hasn't kicked in yet, did you get the new kbd you talked about?
[13:00:04] <Bytram|away> printed out all the replies and plan to do a summary write up.
[12:59:54] <Bytram|away> I'm still chewing on the replies to my kbd story.
[12:59:35] <Bytram|away> nod
[12:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing from him that i know of in the past 24, though PJ was going to email him.
[12:59:04] <Bytram|away> any word on how things are going for nc?
[12:58:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably a good idea.
[12:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we probably do want a fallback but we can do a manual one with a cp -a if necessary.
[12:58:06] <Bytram|away> I'm thinking, since load is so much lower on the weekend, it might be best to hold off until sat or sun
[12:57:44] <Bytram|away> k
[12:57:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'm hoping tomorrow but no, no word.
[12:57:39] <Bytram|away> I'd think we'd want working backups before loading anything new on
[12:57:24] <Bytram|away> any word on when we are going live on the main site with the updates?
[12:57:11] <Bytram|away> interesting.
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[12:56:51] <Bytram|away> iow atm nvm k
[12:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> also a possibility NC forgot to pay the bill
[12:56:31] <Bytram|away> s/them/then/
[12:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:56:26] <Bytram|away> oh, known problem them?
[12:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. we're waiting on NC to get back to fix it apparently since none of us can get access.
[12:56:14] <Bytram|away> I dunno if that's a problem with icinga, or whether or not oxygen is down. :/
[12:55:46] <Bytram|away> but who needs backups?
[12:55:32] <Bytram|away> might be something else related to it... according to icinga, oxygen (our backup server) has been unreachable for 5d6h28+m
[12:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently it got accidentally uninstalled
[12:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, PJ got it eventually
[12:54:38] <Bender> karma - coffeee: 0
[12:54:38] <Bytram|away> coffeee--
[12:54:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 482
[12:54:32] <Bytram|away> coffee++
[12:54:28] <Bender> karma - coffeee: 1
[12:54:28] <Bytram|away> coffeee++
[12:54:24] <Bytram|away> I see they got icinga working again, yay!
[12:54:10] <Bytram|away> thought I'd check in afore getting ready to head to the beach
[12:54:00] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning!
[12:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
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[12:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, truth. the wait is a study in pain.
[12:51:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 481
[12:51:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:49:10] <mechanicjay> first one in the office -- coffee brewing. The disadvantage to coming in early
[12:48:57] <crutchy> might follow your lead
[12:48:44] <crutchy> if only refill was that easy
[12:48:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 480
[12:48:33] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> my coffee cup is empty. must solve this.
[12:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[12:47:57] <crutchy> quick and easy to test out ideas
[12:47:36] <crutchy> exec is just a proof-of-concept bot mostly
[12:47:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:47:03] <crutchy> and maybe chromas' monopoly bot for titles
[12:46:47] <crutchy> sedbot prolly should go on server cos most seem to like it
[12:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> true true. gonna talk up the shell for subscribers idea to NC again after we get subscriptions up and running. then you got a place to run your bot from.
[12:45:08] <crutchy> its just a plaything so prolly doesn't really need it
[12:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[12:44:36] <crutchy> no external server though
[12:44:24] <crutchy> i got my own server. atm its running on my lappy though (easier for tinkering)
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[12:41:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you not have an external server you can slap exec on?
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[12:39:35] <crutchy> ~part
[12:36:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> bridged repeaters are the shit. turn an ancient b/g wireless router into one and you have wired connections for remote devices and better signal coverage to boot.
[12:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> two bridged repeaters and one open access point whose traffic i degrade the hell out of so people using it can't interfere with my pr0n
[12:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have essentially four of the bastards but they're all on the same subnet and the only nat is from the modem/router
[12:29:50] <crutchy> just those little round stickers are pretty good
[12:29:22] <crutchy> but the dmz is kinda on its own a bit
[12:29:10] <crutchy> though i have two subnets cos i have two routers
[12:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:28:55] <crutchy> usually just the last number is enough
[12:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> like right now i completely do not remember the ip of the wireless repeater in my livingroom.
[12:28:24] <crutchy> i put sticky labels with ip on devices
[12:26:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really need to sit down and map out my home network so i don't have to remember what router has what ip address. have the modem/wireless and three other wireless routers without even counting all the devices.
[12:24:09] <crutchy> i've had it for a few years
[12:23:34] <crutchy> hmm actually i think my plan is a discontinued one that's cheaper than what they offer now
[12:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> this shaping and caps nonsense gotta end. i'm a huge freaking capitalist but if it takes regulating or even nationalizing the infrastructure, so be it.
[12:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg, set that shat to lower quality as default then
[12:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'where my bandwidth goes anyway
[12:21:10] <crutchy> my missus is into watching craft videos on youtube
[12:20:58] <crutchy> lol
[12:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> let you get your weekly tv downloaded and still watch some porn
[12:20:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably, yep
[12:20:14] <crutchy> fuck i should do that
[12:20:09] <crutchy> hmm. i could go from 50gb to 200gb for an extra $10/month
[12:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if we're still doing get a shell account with subscription
[12:18:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> but they do that all the time, cap or no cap
[12:17:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> and intentionally degrade netflix traffic
[12:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> here, thankfully, they only charge me out the ass if i go over my 250GB/mo
[12:16:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck
[12:16:53] <crutchy> i think its 50 gb or something
[12:16:47] <crutchy> yeah
[12:16:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you go over your monthly cap or something?
[12:16:17] <crutchy> i just disabled the ping shit. one day i'll go back to it
[12:15:13] <crutchy> i didn't think of shaping when i picked 30 sec ping interval for auto-restart, so when i'm shaped and it takes more than 30 sec just to connect to the irc server, the ping will always fuck up and throw the restart command... which is what triggered the madness yesterday
[12:13:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably just your local spy agency working out deep packet inspection. it should speed up once they get the kinks out.
[12:13:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun
[12:13:18] <crutchy> so stuff that normally takes 3 seconds now takes about 3 minutes :-(
[12:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> like a pear?
[12:12:47] <crutchy> my interwebz is shaped
[12:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yo shit is broke: exec
[12:12:33] <crutchy> exec is not well atm
[12:12:13] <exec> process timed out: TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[12:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> morning, crutchy
[12:11:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 479
[12:11:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing that with my hands instead
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[11:58:34] <chromas> s/d/s/
[11:58:20] <chromas> Put some dex points into them
[11:57:51] <chromas> Try using your feet
[11:57:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, no minecraft for me this am. hands not working worth a fuck and i'm breaking half as many blocks unintentionally as i am on purpose
[11:55:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> if the platform fits...
[11:54:32] <chromas> That's just Israel's Playbook on How to Influence Western Public Opinion talking :D
[11:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'pretty fucked up that so much of europe and even a good chunk of the left in the us have so closely adopted the 1930s german playbook
[11:50:19] <chromas> Scientologist?
[11:48:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what you call someone with socialist ideals who hates jews, yeah?
[11:47:07] <chromas> From the we-call-it-hollywood dept
[11:42:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Israel's Playbook on how to Influence Western Public Opinion - http://sylnt.us - how-many-dead-children-will-it-take
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[09:50:57] <Azrael> woooo hooooooo happy birthday (for yesterday)
[09:31:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Years Of The Pirate Party in the UK - http://sylnt.us - Crimson-Permanent-Assurance
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[07:32:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cutting through the NC Unemployment Hype - http://sylnt.us - neoliberism-shown-to-be-wrong-yet-again
[05:48:00] <ar> why so?
[05:37:01] <mrcoolbp> terrible
[05:31:19] <ar> how's it going?
[05:28:07] <Popeidol> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[05:27:51] <arti> :D
[05:27:45] <arti> greetings ar
[05:23:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 478
[05:23:51] <ar> coffee--
[05:23:48] <ar> moin
[05:20:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Open Access Papers Read and Cited More - http://sylnt.us - Bizarre-Cathedral
[05:17:15] <arti> negative confabulative perspicacity or discernment.
[05:17:15] <arti> the perception of intendment whilst engaging in stratagemical intercourse such as this initiates a certain level of discomfiture and bemusement when in the company of insignificantly cultured representatives of Homo Sapiens. thus, said individuals engaging in this method of communication must constantly endeavor to moderate their asseveration and enunciate with precision, as to circumlocute
[05:16:49] <arti> concise promulgation of one's native lexicon is considered a positive indicator of excessive intellectualism. basically, and i will attempt to be concise, that a primary aspect of intercommunicative discourse amongst highly articulate individuals enumerates a profoundly overabundant cultivation of sagaciousness.
[05:11:50] * mrcoolbp >= (
[04:49:48] * pbnjoe O.o
[04:45:58] * arti o.o
[04:45:20] * mrcoolbp o.0
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[03:35:39] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: thanks
[03:31:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Using Media as a Stress Reducer can Lead to Feelings of Guilt and Failure - http://sylnt.us - read-this-and-feel-guilty
[03:30:34] <paulej72> ok
[03:30:23] <mrcoolbp> okay, 4 days isn't too bad, would you send an email to NCommander?
[03:30:03] <paulej72> was going to look at the backup for a problem that xlefay later fixed, but could not log on or ping it. It has been down for 4 days so we have no backups.
[03:28:32] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: did the backup process stop or did you need oxygen for something else?
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[03:06:11] <xlefay> ha
[03:04:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wish h265 encoding was quicker and playback was better supported. right now it's 1/4 h264 speed and only playable with ffplay or git versions of vlc
[02:58:49] <xlefay> I wish the SN newsletter mails had a direct describe link, now I've got to dig up the passwords for my test accounts -.-
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[02:58:06] <xlefay> xD
[02:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, must watch batman assault on arkham now
[02:56:54] <xlefay> My work is safe regardless so
[02:56:49] <xlefay> I generally don't care that much about my desktop (well, I work on my laptop, but you get the point)
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[02:56:26] <xlefay> That's quite impressive (the /home)
[02:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i guess i do gotta be extra careful on the desktop to prevent hoseage
[02:52:46] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: wew, was worried there for a sec
[02:52:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's like how plumbers always have leaky faucets and electricians will put a lamp in if the light switch goes out.
[02:51:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, s/opposite/same/
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[02:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've had this /home for... well, about 10 years out of sheer luck and regular upgrades
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[02:51:07] <xlefay> err, I should say "production servers", development machines aren't really of consequence
[02:50:52] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: hmm, so you're more prone to using '-y' on servers than on your desktop?
[02:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd be the opposite. i keep regular backups of servers. my desktop lives or dies at the whims of fate.
[02:50:05] * xlefay notes he dislikes waiting for backups to be ready...
[02:49:35] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: on my local desktop I don't really give a crap, so '-y' it is, on servers I tend to read before pressing y
[02:48:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i manually do updates on each and every one individually.
[02:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hehe, i can't use -y on my *buntu/debian boxen. i just can't make myself do it.
[02:47:39] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: pacman<3
[02:47:36] <xlefay> paulej72: I believe apt does it sometimes, but also, asks.. then again, apt always asks, so it's easy to just put down '-y'
[02:47:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> pacman can but it asks first, as in yn prompt
[02:47:01] <paulej72> or am I mis rembering
[02:46:29] <paulej72> redhat does not remove packages with yum update
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[02:45:30] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: I generally read them all as well, but still, it's rather easy to forget even more so. Unless you know the package is needed - it's also very easy to think "Oh, it's probably not required anymore." (e.g. when apt for instance installs stuff you later don't require anymore)
[02:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, must be my special paranoia that makes me read them all.
[02:44:05] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: it's hardly the first time it happens (generally speaking) - it's exceptionally easy to miss the "The following packages will be REMOVED:" line
[02:43:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> package getting removed on accident is kinda funny and i bet everyone who touched packages lately triple checks next time they do.
[02:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[02:42:29] <xlefay> either way you get the point
[02:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> only containers i'm in favor of are the ones i'm about to relieve of their beer.
[02:41:30] <xlefay> (in this case, icinga was running back then, but it might just as well not have)
[02:41:16] <juggs> :D :D
[02:41:14] <xlefay> e.g. even if it was configured to report it, icinga mightn't even have been running when oxygen stopped breathing
[02:41:11] <juggs> containers?
[02:40:52] <xlefay> Then again, we should find a better solution to running stuff imo. It's no good if stuff conflicts with eachother and packages get removed on accident.
[02:40:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, ahhh, this is oxygen helping out then by reminding you. and people say computers aren't intelligent yet...
[02:39:43] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: actually, boron should have.. but, I never got to fixing that...
[02:39:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> different flavors of dead but yeah
[02:39:28] <juggs> cisco last gasp
[02:39:14] <paulej72> dead sever send text message
[02:39:04] <juggs> uggggh, don't mind me, I've been up too long
[02:38:42] <paulej72> lol
[02:38:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i was actually talking about paypal code but oxygen should have texted all the admins when it couldn't be reached.
[02:37:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> or not even errors but things like chargebacks
[02:37:19] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, agreed (not that we know this is money related as yet) single points of failure need eliminating whenever possible, but inevitably happen in early days.
[02:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yep and probably a page that loads errors that aren't dire like say our account key expiring or being revoked.
[02:36:11] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I can send an email to the admin account that mrcoolbp watches
[02:36:10] <Bender> karma - caramel: 1
[02:36:10] <chromas> Caramel++
[02:35:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, turtle pie.
[02:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, it occurs to me we should have some way to get the admins' attention when something money-related goes wrong and needs immediate attention rather than when someone happens to check.
[02:33:30] <chromas> Soylentberry pie?
[02:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fat champions, granted, but champions nonetheless
[02:33:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> pie isn't just great after dinner, it's the breakfast of champions
[02:32:28] <paulej72> swag pies and cakes
[02:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, cool beans. was gone getting pie on account of the store not having a good cake.
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[02:09:33] <mrcoolbp_> that would not be good
[01:59:40] <paulej72> oxygen is the backup server that is why it is not on linode systems. NCommander may have forgotten to pay the bill.
[01:59:17] <mrcoolbp_> it's the backup server right?
[01:58:29] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: backup?
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[01:57:34] <paulej72> mrcoolbp_: noone here has direct access to oxygen. It is on another system so my Linode access does not help. xlefay did not have acces either.
[01:56:14] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: how's oxygen doin' is she feelin' better?
[01:55:47] <mrcoolbp_> don't ya go buyin's stuffs now
[01:55:40] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: I saw that!
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[01:43:46] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, we're checking product quality as well - at least mrcoolbp is.
[01:43:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have been doing error handling for pdt transactions I am close to getting it up on dev for testing
[01:42:58] <juggs> Money always goes in circles paulej72
[01:41:30] <paulej72> I am planning on buying stuff from the SN PayPal account :P
[01:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need cake. my belly is saying feed me sugary goodness.
[01:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> overpays are fine, under/non-pays not so much. in fact, feel free to accidentally buy several things you don't need.
[01:37:20] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, should be about a week before it's fully live. We expect to be in early launch within the next couple of days all being well. I think we have everything pretty much ironed out now, but it's very much slowly, slowly so we don't end up piled in a heap wondering wtf just went wrong given we're dealing with other people's $$ here.
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[01:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, last i heard the store was functional and if you wandered across it you could buy stuff but not yet announced as open to the public since they're not done messing with it.
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[01:11:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vision Correcting Displays - http://sylnt.us - there's-light-at-the-end-of-the-pinhole
[01:09:45] <SpallsHurgenson> Space. Gonna go to space. Space. Spaaaaaaaace.
[01:09:27] <Bender> karma - tabautocomplete: -1
[01:09:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> tabautocomplete--
[01:09:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Space_Man, no swag for you!
[01:08:55] <SpallsHurgenson> mostly 'cause I don't know the URL :)
[01:08:40] * SpallsHurgenson forgot to check if the store was up and running
[01:04:56] <Bender> karma - kilts: 1
[01:04:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> kilts++
[01:04:44] <juggs> I am defeated
[01:03:51] <SpallsHurgenson> see, chromas recognizes my hotness :)
[01:02:50] <chromas> Too hot for pants
[01:02:24] <Bender> karma - pants: 0
[01:02:24] <chromas> Pants--
[01:02:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I come in first, and THEN disrobe
[01:01:59] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, don't be silly. I don't go into a room half naked! that's just impolite
[01:01:02] <juggs> put some damn pants on ~before~ stumbling into the room :D
[01:00:31] <juggs> hmm... let me think carefully how to phrase this....
[00:59:55] <SpallsHurgenson> so what you are saying is in the future I shouldn't bother putting pants back on
[00:59:32] <juggs> see SpallsHurgenson your pant antics even shocked Konomi to the point of disconnection! :D
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[00:53:42] <JamesNZ> Salut juggs :)
[00:53:30] * juggs grabs the mind bleach
[00:53:12] * SpallsHurgenson quickly pulls on some pants
[00:53:07] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep! don't sneak up on me like that!
[00:49:30] <juggs> hola Spalls bienvenue James
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[00:19:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Sweet-Love is Like Oxygen ( 12" long version ) - YouTube
[00:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned server, why did it have to be named oxygen? now i have https://www.youtube.com stuck in my head.
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[00:12:16] <paulej72> NCommander: when you get a chance oxygen is mia
[00:11:59] <paulej72> well systems are up as much as possible. oxygen is down, but I do not have direct access to that one.
[00:01:02] <juggs> yah mrcoolbp - he came, did some and left. I believe he was going to send you a mail.