#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-24
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[00:01:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 18,000 Apple Employees Could Get Bite of Profits with Class-Action Lawsuit - http://sylnt.us - paying-the-price-for-not-paying
[00:01:57] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03744.14ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/mnkqzuv 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | 18,000 Apple Employees Could Get Bite of Profits with Class-Action Lawsuit
[00:02:10] <stdhell> Damn! It's 2 in the morning, I'm at work and I have been listening to Weird Al for the last 4 or 5 hours...
[00:02:23] <stdhell> I should consider going home.
[00:03:11] <Blackmoore> i'm out too. - gnight all
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[00:18:41] * mrcoolbp is burning a master test for his band's new album
[00:19:13] <crutchy> cool
[00:20:02] <crutchy> what kinda noise do you make?
[00:20:12] <mrcoolbp> progressive rock
[00:20:45] <crutchy> nice
[00:21:02] <crutchy> you on an instrument or vocal?
[00:21:03] * SirFinkus just replaced the strings on his guitar
[00:21:13] <SirFinkus> took like an hour
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[00:21:54] * crutchy is trying to think of a gag that involves calling some kind of replace function on a string... comes up empty :-/
[00:22:38] <SirFinkus> if only it was that easy
[00:23:34] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: I play lead guitar mostly, some vox
[00:24:00] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: I can change a set of strings in about 10 minutes
[00:24:19] <mrcoolbp> in other words, I break a lot of strings
[00:24:23] <crutchy> awesome. i'm assuming your title track isn't called "deep soylent purple"?
[00:24:28] <SirFinkus> it was my first time lol
[00:24:35] <mrcoolbp> That's not bad then = )
[00:24:36] <SirFinkus> pretty sure I did it wrong, but whatever
[00:24:52] <mrcoolbp> as long as it works, and you didn't break the guitar, I'd call it a success
[00:25:02] <mrcoolbp> fuck, I hate CD burners!
[00:25:11] <SirFinkus> fucking "and then there was silence" ias tones of huge bends on the low e
[00:25:27] <mrcoolbp> leme restart this biotch
[00:25:28] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[00:25:28] <crutchy> i thought everything was youtube this, mp3 that, nowadays?
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[00:26:05] <crutchy> and *shudders* itunes
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[00:26:48] <TheMightyLaptop> i kinda feel sorry for the poor cd. it doesn't have the retro cred of vinyl or magnetic tape nor is it top of the line technologically anymore.
[00:27:48] <paulej72> back
[00:28:11] <SirFinkus> top of the line as far as I'm concerned
[00:28:21] <TheMightyLaptop> have an 8track in your car and you're cool, have a cd player and it's like well sure but where do i plug in my phone/tablet
[00:28:35] <SirFinkus> no drm, and can convert to lossy formats without transcoding bullshit
[00:29:11] <SirFinkus> but really... what.cd
[00:29:53] <TheMightyLaptop> cd is lossy compared to masters.
[00:30:26] <TheMightyLaptop> mp3/ogg/flac can each and every one give you better sound.
[00:30:51] <crutchy> SirFinkus heard of this guy? http://www.youtube.com
[00:30:53] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03196.354ms.14)[0]: 03AMAZING BLUES GUITAR!!! MUST SEE!! - YouTube
[00:30:53] <SirFinkus> not in a way that really matters, and good luck getting master recordings if you aren't in the band/don't work for the record company
[00:31:11] <SirFinkus> nope ciri
[00:31:21] * crutchy loves tommy emmanuel, but prolly less of the crazy shit.
[00:31:45] <SirFinkus> heh, wish I could do that
[00:31:51] <TheMightyLaptop> SirFinkus, right but the studios can use them to master the digital files and not have to stick to 44.1KHz
[00:32:34] <SirFinkus> you'd be hard pressed to notice anything higher than 44.1KHz
[00:32:47] * TheMightyBot loves crutchy
[00:33:37] <TheMightyLaptop> not really. 96KHz is noticeable to me and i have tinnitus. 48KHz not so much.
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[00:34:10] <SirFinkus> have you blind a/b'd it?
[00:34:40] <TheMightyLaptop> TheMightyBot, if you're going to keep doing that, you have to serve bot duties.
[00:35:08] <crutchy> ~define bot duties
[00:35:12] <TheMightyLaptop> !troutsmack crutchy
[00:35:16] <exec> [stoacademy] 3bot duties: nanobot - A microscopic robot designed to perform specific functions.
[00:35:21] <crutchy> pfft
[00:35:25] <crutchy> exec fails
[00:35:33] <crutchy> .kick exec
[00:35:43] <mrcoolbp> you have to...
[00:35:44] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[00:35:46] <mrcoolbp> to do that
[00:35:48] <mrcoolbp> = )
[00:35:48] <TheMightyLaptop> SirFinkus, nah. not blind. i'd have to code up a script for that.
[00:36:13] <SirFinkus> I think foobar has a plugin if you're into that
[00:36:59] <SirFinkus> but it's probably just placebo if you haven't blind tested
[00:37:06] <crutchy> what a/b'd?
[00:37:38] <TheMightyLaptop> could be. it's also a pretty small sample set as 96k rips are hard to come by
[00:37:44] <crutchy> something tuning related
[00:37:50] <SirFinkus> basically you compare the same track with different encoding to see which one sounds better
[00:37:56] <crutchy> ah
[00:38:01] <SirFinkus> it's blind, so you call the tracks a and b I guess
[00:38:45] <paulej72> some high frequency stuff still feasts mangled even at 44.1. percussion especially
[00:39:02] <TheMightyLaptop> paulej72, queen
[00:39:04] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: yes, we did an A/B on the first round of masters, we are on "C" now, and we plan on messing with the track order and transitions (gapless)
[00:39:23] <paulej72> s/feasts/gets/
[00:39:23] <SedBot2> <paulej72> some high frequency stuff still gets mangled even at 44.1. percussion especially
[00:39:32] <crutchy> masters get recorded on magnetic tape still?
[00:39:42] <SirFinkus> well, are you looking at waveforms or actually listening?
[00:39:48] <mrcoolbp> listening
[00:39:53] <SirFinkus> just because something shows up on the screen doesn't mean you can hear it
[00:39:57] <TheMightyLaptop> paulej72, fat bottomed girls ftw on both highs and lows.
[00:40:11] <mrcoolbp> queen: awesome
[00:40:16] <crutchy> ^^^
[00:40:23] <mrcoolbp> I heard they were touring with that Amer.Idol guy
[00:40:32] <SirFinkus> does anyone no like queen though?
[00:40:33] <paulej72> never noticed that one bit there is a zz top one that is real bad
[00:40:33] <mrcoolbp> he has some pipes and he's gay, so should actually work
[00:40:41] <SirFinkus> not rather
[00:40:55] * mrcoolbp kicks his CD burner
[00:41:01] <mrcoolbp> lemem try a new stack of CDs
[00:41:06] <TheMightyLaptop> SirFinkus, course not. you could go stomp stomp clap to pygmies in africa and they'd join in.
[00:41:13] <crutchy> freddie mercury did some solo stuff too i remember hearing somewhere sounded pretty good
[00:41:16] <SirFinkus> I'm pretty sure kim jong un likes queen
[00:41:41] <SirFinkus> fred phelps hates fags, but loves freddy mercury
[00:42:08] <paulej72> I originally thought I mangled it when I acc it, but heard thee same distortion when it was played on the radio.
[00:42:17] <TheMightyLaptop> i'm of the firm opinion that we will rock you is the closest to a perfect rock song as currently exists
[00:42:46] <crutchy> does stairway to heaven count?
[00:42:55] <mrcoolbp> Bohemian Rhapsody anyone?
[00:42:57] <crutchy> kind of more a ballad
[00:43:15] <SirFinkus> of course mrcoolbp
[00:43:27] * mrcoolbp puts away his pitchfork
[00:43:39] <crutchy> just typing 'stairway to heaven' gives me goosebumps
[00:43:45] <paulej72> all good to me
[00:43:48] <mrcoolbp> aw thank fuck it's burning again
[00:43:51] <TheMightyLaptop> crutchy, it's pretty kickass but it doesn't draw everyone who hears it into the same mindspace
[00:43:56] * mrcoolbp tries not to jinx it
[00:44:15] <paulej72> !grab mrcoolbp
[00:44:15] <Bender> Added quote 213
[00:44:22] <mrcoolbp> ROFL
[00:44:27] <TheMightyLaptop> niiiice one
[00:44:28] <paulej72> !quote 213
[00:44:28] <Bender> Quote 213 - <mrcoolbp> aw thank fuck it's burning again
[00:44:40] <mrcoolbp> yeah that was a good one pj
[00:44:54] <SirFinkus> I'm trying to learn we are the champions, but too many chords for now
[00:44:57] <crutchy> bon jovi's wanted dead or alive is up there somewhere i reckon
[00:45:51] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah, not quite as cross-generational though
[00:46:08] <SirFinkus> oh neat, thunderstorm
[00:46:40] <TheMightyLaptop> fun, trade you for oppressive heat, high humidity, and drought.
[00:46:59] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[00:47:00] <SirFinkus> I'm good
[00:47:02] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-23 23:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.8 hrs ago:
[00:47:02] <exec> temperature = 41.7°F (5.4°C) dewpoint = 41.7°F (5.4°C)
[00:47:03] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017.9 mb ~ change of -0.1 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 100%
[00:47:03] <exec> wind speed = 5 mph (8 km/h) wind direction = 40°
[00:47:14] <crutchy> you can have some of the cold from here
[00:47:18] <TheMightyLaptop> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[00:47:21] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-24 00:15:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[00:47:22] <exec> temperature = 78.8°F (26°C) dewpoint = 69.8°F (21°C)
[00:47:22] <exec> barometric pressure = 1018 mb ~ change of 0.7 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 74%
[00:47:22] <exec> wind speed = 5 mph (8 km/h) wind direction = 140°
[00:47:28] <SirFinkus> 18 here
[00:47:45] <chromas> ^ nudez or it didn't happen
[00:47:46] <TheMightyLaptop> bastards, ada is like 5F cooler
[00:47:52] <SirFinkus> which is the perfect temp to offset computer heat
[00:48:20] <mrcoolbp> crtuchy: hmm, I like that weather app, but it's a bit of a flooder, any way we can condense that info?
[00:48:39] <SirFinkus> but then later in the week, 31, which is entirely too hot
[00:51:45] <crutchy> yeah should be able to mrcoolbp
[00:52:02] <mrcoolbp> even things like: "temperature" - > temp. "wind speed" -> wind
[00:52:11] <mrcoolbp> get it all on two lines would be nice
[00:52:20] <chromas> Unicode has wx icons :-)
[00:52:44] <mrcoolbp> there are a bunch of useless spaces on the beginning of each line too
[00:54:14] <juggs> I think the leading spaces improve clarity :)
[00:54:36] <SirFinkus> yeah, little emjoi would be neat ☀ ⛅ ☁ ⚡ ☔ ❄ , but I suppose they aren't very well supported yet
[00:54:44] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[00:54:46] <exec> weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-23 23:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.9 hrs ago:
[00:54:47] <exec> temperature: 41.7°F (5.4°C), dewpoint: 41.7°F (5.4°C), bar press: 1017.9 mb ~ change of -0.1 mb over past 3 hrs, rel humd: 100%, wind: 5 mph (8 km/h) @ 40°
[00:55:04] <crutchy> bit more condensed
[00:55:24] <crutchy> oh yeah can shorten temperature to temp
[00:55:26] <mrcoolbp> hmm, maybe juggs was right
[00:55:27] <crutchy> sorry missed that
[00:55:58] <TheMightyLaptop> better
[00:56:11] <SirFinkus> could also add color formatting instead of spaces
[00:56:16] <SirFinkus> or bold
[00:56:18] <mrcoolbp> oooh, that would be nice
[00:56:20] <chromas> Just give us the metar string and make us parse it :D
[00:56:26] <crutchy> lol
[00:56:42] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: I vote for colors as well
[00:57:04] <crutchy> if you want meta string you can bookmark http://weather.gladstonefamily.net
[00:57:05] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03272.612ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/pqluka6 14 )[0]: 03No title
[00:57:09] <paulej72> dp and just bar or press
[00:57:14] <crutchy> (or whatever the station is for you loc)
[00:57:51] <mrcoolbp> okay, CDs burned, gotta go to practice and discuss CD distribution/mastering plans
[00:57:55] <mrcoolbp> see y'all later
[00:58:00] <TheMightyLaptop> adios
[00:58:09] <paulej72> later mrcoolbp
[00:58:29] <mrcoolbp> later pj, excited about the ui/graphic improvements
[00:58:29] <SirFinkus> if you want to be really neat, color the temps and such red or blue depending on whether it is warmer or colder than average on that day
[00:58:34] <SirFinkus> but idk if you have that much info
[00:58:49] <crutchy> cya mrcoolbp
[00:59:03] * crutchy is adding some (dumb to start with) color
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[00:59:24] <SirFinkus> hey crutchy, you should add color
[01:01:24] <paulej72> rand: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:01:26] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03315.895ms.14)[0]: 03Dev.SN: Topics
[01:02:24] <crutchy> this is a bit of a test
[01:02:30] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[01:02:33] <exec> weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-23 23:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2 hrs ago:
[01:02:33] <exec> temp: 841.7°F (5.4°C), dp: 841.7°F (5.4°C), press: 81017.9 mb (-0.1 mb over 3 hrs), humid: 8100%, wind: 85 mph (8 km/h) @ 840°
[01:02:48] <crutchy> hmm test failed
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[01:02:59] <TheMightyLaptop> partial success
[01:03:07] <crutchy> might move to # till it is at least readable :-/
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[01:05:03] <TheMightyLaptop> coffee++
[01:05:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 443
[01:05:44] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah, downing a pot before bed. no sleep till brooklyn.
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[01:10:30] <TheMightyLaptop> .kick TheMightyLaptop
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[01:20:06] <rand> paulej72: Thanks!
[01:21:07] <paulej72> rand made up some of my own, but a bunch of those were yours
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[01:22:36] <rand> paulej72:Just glad I could help.
[01:30:54] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, I just want to say thanks for all your work on getting unicode to work. I can scarecely imagine the amusing comments we will see when it's complete.
[01:31:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australian Team Smashes 26-year-old Electric Car World Record - http://sylnt.us - kitchen-toaster-at-freeway-speed
[01:31:04] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03801.421ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/phvdue8 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Australian Team Smashes 26-year-old Electric Car World Record
[01:33:54] <TheMightyLaptop> prospectacle, no doubt
[01:34:13] <TheMightyBot> we all love TheMightyBuzzard
[01:34:13] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[01:34:13] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 26
[01:34:30] <TheMightyLaptop> i fully expect it to be abused and we'll have to design all kinds of filters to stop utf-8 art
[01:35:11] <chromas> Need to make comments shortened based on vertical space and not just string length
[01:35:27] <TheMightyLaptop> they kind of were already.
[01:35:34] <chromas> oh
[01:35:48] <chromas> Weren't there some that came out pages long?
[01:36:01] <chromas> or is that with some fancy unicode newline character?
[01:36:02] <TheMightyLaptop> had to remove a lot of checks though because they weren't written with codepoints outside the ascii range in mind
[01:36:45] <crutchy> we can't even do apt-get moo art atm :-/
[01:37:12] <TheMightyLaptop> ya well, have fun abusing it until we get filters designed
[01:37:54] <chromas> crutchy: I got a moo
[01:38:15] <crutchy> you moo'd in an SN comment?
[01:38:19] * crutchy has tried
[01:38:22] <chromas> oh
[01:38:31] * chromas herps and was thinking of exec moo
[01:38:44] <crutchy> oh yeah we can moo here no probs :-D
[01:38:44] <TheMightyLaptop> ~moo
[01:38:45] <exec> (__)
[01:38:45] <exec> (oo)
[01:38:46] <exec> /------\/
[01:38:46] <exec> / | ||
[01:38:46] <exec> * /\---/\
[01:38:47] <exec> ~~ ~~
[01:38:47] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
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[01:39:13] <crutchy> damn. that must suck
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[01:39:31] <crutchy> wb rand
[01:39:32] <chromas> 🐄
[01:39:32] <TheMightyLaptop> if you don't wanna wait, go abuse dev.
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[01:39:55] <crutchy> you still not havin much luck rand
[01:40:39] <crutchy> hmm that cow has a lopsided face
[01:40:43] * crutchy opens terminal
[01:40:57] <TheMightyLaptop> crutchy, you using a monospace font?
[01:41:03] <chromas> ew
[01:41:18] <crutchy> lol nah i don't think i am
[01:41:27] * crutchy wakes up
[01:41:29] <TheMightyLaptop> ascii art's always the suck unless you do
[01:41:35] <Alberto> that looks like a dinosaur
[01:41:59] <crutchy> looks better now
[01:42:06] <TheMightyLaptop> ~moo
[01:42:07] <exec> (__)
[01:42:07] <exec> (oo)
[01:42:08] <exec> /------\/
[01:42:08] <exec> / | ||
[01:42:08] <exec> * /\---/\
[01:42:08] <exec> ~~ ~~
[01:42:09] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[01:46:38] <Alberto> ~boo
[01:49:13] <prospectacle> The only good unicodes (for self-ctonained icons) seem to fall somewhere between 8000-12000 or between 120,000 and 130,000
[01:49:38] <prospectacle> After years of painstaking research that is my conclusion
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[01:52:51] <paulej72> how about these for friend and foes https://openclipart.org
[01:53:58] <crutchy> looks ok. depends how it looks shrunk. noticed that the bottom ones are a little clipped, but that could be easily fixed
[01:54:51] <prospectacle> Crutchy is that an elborate "Clip art" pun?
[01:55:21] <crutchy> lol it wasn't, but it is now :-p
[01:55:42] <prospectacle> Paulej72 yeah they look pretty good. Simple enough to be shown small
[01:55:44] <crutchy> prospectacle++
[01:55:44] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 14
[02:04:44] * NCommander swears more
[02:05:12] <paulej72> what is up now NCommander
[02:05:29] <prospectacle> Paulej72: http://commons.wikimedia.org scroll down to files with "Gnome3" in their name. Some decent face/emotion glyphs
[02:05:29] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 0368.812ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ncwjnbz 14 )[0]: 03Category:SVG smilies - Wikimedia Commons
[02:06:18] <NCommander> paulej72, work -_-;
[02:06:48] <paulej72> sucks
[02:07:06] <paulej72> prospectacle: looking at them
[02:10:52] <crutchy> prospectacle, the gnome3 ones look good too
[02:11:18] <crutchy> similar, but a bit more detailed
[02:11:25] <crutchy> might also have to check shrunk
[02:11:48] <prospectacle> crutchy, true, that will be the test
[02:12:04] <prospectacle> (wikimedia commons)++
[02:12:04] <Bender> karma - (wikimedia commons): 1
[02:12:07] * crutchy is trying to see if iceweasel will shrink images :-/
[02:13:56] <crutchy> aurora does
[02:14:01] <crutchy> aurora++
[02:14:01] <Bender> karma - aurora: 1
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[02:25:32] <juggs> uch, what is it with some game players (or people in general maybe). I'm having to deal with an individual who finds the words "dildo" and "menopause" offensive. ~sigh~
[02:28:16] * SpallsHurgenson returns from an eight-hour round-trip roadtrip so he could spend 4 hours at a state park and beach
[02:28:31] <juggs> sounds like a good use of time :/
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[02:29:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I thought so. I ate lots of unhealthy food and punched the ocean :)
[02:30:23] <juggs> Did it fight back?
[02:31:20] <prospectacle> lol what a dildo
[02:31:33] <SpallsHurgenson> it repeatedly tried to drown me :)
[02:31:44] <SpallsHurgenson> all in all, a wonderful day
[02:32:32] <prospectacle> that was directed at juggs previous comment about people being offended, not at spalls, who is of impeccable character
[02:34:00] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, I wanted to be a big black battery-powered knobbler :)
[02:34:17] <SpallsHurgenson> you're gonna have the bot memorize that last thing I said, aren't you
[02:34:25] <prospectacle> You can be anything you want if you work hard and set your mind to it
[02:34:39] <crutchy> can i be a mongoose dog?
[02:34:47] <prospectacle> it's worth a shot
[02:35:03] <prospectacle> if you don't, who will?
[02:35:08] <juggs> I just can't grasp the mindset of someone who finds the mere use of the word "menopause" offensive. It was not in a comment directed at them or in someway directed to insult them. I'm not sure I want to deal with this lunacy.
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[02:35:59] <crutchy> yeah menopause is sexist. where is all the womenopause?
[02:36:00] * SpallsHurgenson feels that juggs needs to provide more detail about the discussion in, erm, discussion
[02:37:37] <prospectacle> juggs, what happens if you ignore the fact that they're offended and pretend they're not? Any downside?
[02:37:39] <juggs> Nah, it would bore everyone to tears Spalls. I locked the complaint as fuckwittery.
[02:37:53] <SpallsHurgenson> because its often how the word is being used as the word itself that offends
[02:38:11] * SpallsHurgenson never gets the sordid details <sniffle>
[02:38:41] <prospectacle> Spalls we'll just have to make them up
[02:38:41] <juggs> Besides, who knows, the complainant could be here >>>>
[02:39:51] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I'd think it'd be more a problem of giving the details if the complaintant ISNT here
[02:40:37] <SpallsHurgenson> if he is here, he can defend himself
[02:40:41] <juggs> Spalls, the context was innocuous
[02:40:57] <juggs> That is also a good point Spalls
[02:41:20] <prospectacle> juggs, I object to the use of the word "complainant" it's very agressively judgemental, you might even say violent. Where do I file my official complaint?
[02:42:05] <juggs> Umm, it was filed to me as a staffer via a "complaints" system - ergo they are the "complainant".
[02:42:46] * prospectacle is j/k. I was trying to parody the easily offended
[02:42:47] <prospectacle> nm
[02:43:22] <prospectacle> This will make us all feel better: http://www.youtube.com
[02:43:23] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03309.6ms.14)[0]: 03The Top 30 Best Damn Rock Riffs Ever. Period. - YouTube
[02:47:02] <juggs> hmm, damn you prospectacle :P Now I need to go back and contemplate the case some more. If someone is offended and the game rules specifically declare that offensive terms should not be used in publically viewable player content, then it maybe needs dealing with. Damn it all!
[02:47:14] * SpallsHurgenson scans soylent... gads, some of these articles are becoming Bennett Haselton-esque
[02:47:52] <juggs> read on to see what Bennett has to say..... wth would I care? who is this?
[02:48:10] <prospectacle> juggs. under that rule I can see that it would be easiest to apologise for "dildo" and say menopause isn't offensive under any reasonable definition and if they think otherwise they can explain themselves.
[02:49:44] * prospectacle googles bennet haselton and can't help but feel that's just what SpallsHurgenson wanted.
[02:49:49] <juggs> prospectacle, I didn't use the words so I won't be apologising. It's a player's complaint about another player's content that I'm trying to ajudicate on.
[02:50:11] <prospectacle> oh i see.
[02:50:12] <SpallsHurgenson> bennet is a long-winded blowhard whose journal postings seem to always end up on the front page of slashdot
[02:50:52] <crutchy> slashdot? never heard of it
[02:51:03] <SpallsHurgenson> I start reading one of his "stories", get a quarter of the way through and check the author and then check, yup, it's a bennet story... at which point I skip to the next article
[02:51:56] <crutchy> my journal thingys are prolly boring
[02:52:08] <crutchy> i try to keep them short at least
[02:52:18] <prospectacle> juggs. what is at stake? I mean apology, loss of account, loss of points?
[02:52:44] <crutchy> a public whipping?
[02:52:48] <juggs> prospectacle, yeah, it's one of those naughties rpg type games where the staff get to be all nannying. But the rules are so vaguely written they are a nightmare to try to enforce anything.
[02:52:53] <crutchy> crucifixion?
[02:53:12] <SpallsHurgenson> the "hp and microsoft dont' create jobs" story reminds me of him, somewhat; overly long, lacking citations, opinionated and pandering to the crowd.
[02:53:18] <juggs> prospectacle, slapped wrist for the so called "offender".
[02:54:02] <prospectacle> juggs, i reckon split it down the middle. menopause is not offensive in normal context, and won't be enforced. Ask for a nice boilerplate apology for the other thing and promise to try to keep it clean in the future.
[02:54:40] <prospectacle> s/and promise/and a promise/
[02:54:41] <SedBot2> <pruspictocle> juggs, i reckon split it down the middle. menopause is not offensive in normal context, and won't be enforced. Ask for a nice boilerplate apology for the other thing and a promise to try to keep it clean in the future.
[02:55:36] <prospectacle> I like how sedbot2 misspells peoples names but in a believable way. It's a good way to mimic consciousness.
[02:56:05] <prospectacle> sedbot2: s/reckon/testing/
[02:56:05] <crutchy> you had better be careful, when you deal with the issue you may offend
[02:56:06] <SedBot2> <prospectacle> <sedbot2> <pruspictocle> juggs, i testing split it down the middle. menopause is not offensive in normal context, and won't be enforced. Ask for a nice boilerplate apology for the other thing and a promise to try to keep it clean in the future.
[02:56:14] <juggs> uch gawd, I'm not in the business of extracting apologies from people. At most I'll ask the person to amend the content in question and ask them to mind the rules in future.
[02:56:16] <crutchy> then you'll have to spank yourself
[02:56:28] <prospectacle> juggs, makes sense.
[02:57:12] * SpallsHurgenson tries to imagine how you can use menopause offensively
[02:59:09] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, WTF?
[02:59:25] <crutchy> welcome to the conversation NCommander :-D
[02:59:30] <prospectacle> lol
[03:00:02] * SpallsHurgenson meant the word, of course.
[03:00:16] <crutchy> we're spanking menopausal boilerplates
[03:01:42] <prospectacle> juggs, i think that's fair enough. Sometimes it's best to just be done with it quickly and not to let it eat too much of your mind grapes.
[03:03:58] <juggs> prospectacle, true. Some of the other complaints I have in hand are about players running multiple accounts (also verboten) - those cases are time eating monkey clams with all the log trawling involved.
[03:05:25] <crutchy> (time eating monkey clams)--
[03:05:25] <Bender> karma - (time eating monkey clams): -1
[03:05:52] <juggs> ya, I'm not sure where that one came from :/
[03:06:24] <crutchy> ~define-add time eating monkey clams, something bad that juggs made up
[03:06:25] <exec> definition for term "time eating monkey clams" set to "something bad that juggs made up"
[03:06:31] <chromas> I find 'clams' offensive, sir!
[03:06:38] <prospectacle> time eating monkey clams might look cute in the pet store but then you buy them and the next day you're 106
[03:06:57] <crutchy> news at 11: clams everywhere offended!
[03:07:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, monkeys are awesome though and offset the clams offense.
[03:07:51] <crutchy> as long as you don't jumble the words in that phrase you should be right
[03:08:03] <juggs> And I will fight for your right to be offended chromas :P I still hate time eating monkey clams
[03:08:27] <prospectacle> the clams offensive
[03:08:32] <prospectacle> good name for a punk band
[03:08:40] <crutchy> and your right to be offended by time monkeys eating clam
[03:08:59] <chromas> clams get menopausal when they run out of dildo
[03:09:37] <prospectacle> the album cover could have a big army of clams invading some beach
[03:09:51] <chromas> dildoholics anonymous
[03:09:52] <crutchy> with a monkey in a delorian
[03:10:08] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson, *that's* how you use menopause offensively (see chromas) ^^^
[03:10:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China 'Seals Off' Town After Man Dies of Bubonic Plague - http://sylnt.us - keeping-it-away-from-others
[03:10:18] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03850.675ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/mtfkfdo 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | China 'Seals Off' Town After Man Dies of Bubonic Plague
[03:10:29] <chromas> Which shortened url do I click?
[03:10:57] <chromas> s/ c/ /
[03:10:57] <SedBot2> <chromas> Which shortened url do I lick?
[03:11:04] <crutchy> mtfkfdo looks more awesomer
[03:11:46] <crutchy> 427je looks like an ink cartridge model number :-/
[03:11:57] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.youtube.com <-- doesn't look that interesting or even funny, but I love the retro look
[03:11:57] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03357.98ms.14)[0]: 03Space Station 76 (2014) - HD Trailer - YouTube
[03:12:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> wtf, i could have sworn i had ciri on ignore
[03:12:36] <crutchy> ciri can easily thwart your futile defenses :-d
[03:12:38] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: he doesn't gibberish in this channel anymore
[03:12:50] <chromas> But you need to see the url titles!
[03:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas monopoly's job
[03:13:10] <crutchy> /invite monopoly :-(
[03:13:13] <juggs> AAARGH! The very next complaint I open..... someone offended by the word "dick". This is not my day.
[03:14:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> should probably check they're not menopausal
[03:14:15] <chromas> then there'd be twice as many titles :D
[03:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i could go back to ignoring ciri like the founders intended
[03:15:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> "ciri is a useless twat of a bot." -- Ben Franklin
[03:15:57] <juggs> uch, it's a complaint about the same player, who shall we say, speaks in a forthright manner. I need to destaff on this game, the rules are ridiculous.
[03:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, hehe, sucker. i learned my lesson about staffing for online games back with everquest
[03:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> no love for all the headaches, just bitching and moaning.
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[03:18:16] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I used to enjoy tracking down the multi accounts farming 100s of players - but this stuff is just petty bollocks.
[03:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> it takes a while to realize you're unpaid tech support but once you do you can never forget it.
[03:21:04] <mrcoolbp> wait...I'm unpaid tech support for SN
[03:21:12] <mrcoolbp> = /
[03:21:19] <chromas> sucker
[03:21:42] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, true, true. I'm going to get these cases rounded out and seen through, then I'm out.
[03:22:15] <juggs> game's virtually a graveyard anyway
[03:22:21] <mrcoolbp> juggs: who is complaining and through what channel?
[03:22:41] <juggs> mrcoolbp, this is unrelated to SN :D
[03:22:49] <mrcoolbp> ah
[03:23:04] <mrcoolbp> cause....0,6D00,02I00,12C00,09K00,08S00,07 00,04D00,06I00,02C00,12K00,09S00,08 00,07D00,04I00,06C00,02K00,12S00,09 00,08D00,07I00,04C00,06K00,02S00,12 00,09D00,08I00,07C00,04K00,06S
[03:23:12] <mrcoolbp> I thought you mean that = )
[03:23:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, Couldn't be worse than when i staffed for Underlight. Grand total of about 50 users towards the end, most casual.
[03:24:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> On the up side, they were almost guaranteed gm attention if they wanted it. On the down side, tumbleweeds.
[03:29:35] <juggs> Uch, I just checked - it's a clickfest game I've been logging into habitually for nigh on 7 years, I need to move on sheeesh,
[03:29:41] * juggs kicks self in ass
[03:31:13] <juggs> mrcoolbp, how's the album coming on?
[03:31:24] <mrcoolbp> juggs: not bad
[03:31:29] <mrcoolbp> juggs: it sounds awesome
[03:31:45] <juggs> you maybe a tad biased of course :D :D
[03:31:48] <crutchy> juggs, i am offended by your use of the word 'ass' :-d
[03:31:55] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, maybe you can add a "buy mrcoolbp a beer" link when the paypall/subscription stuff is live
[03:31:59] <mrcoolbp> it's just dealing with all the track order, transitions, artwork, printing, online distro, etc
[03:32:02] <prospectacle> replace mrcoolbp with a drop down for all staff
[03:32:40] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: though that sounds nice on my end, I'd rather find a way the site can support it self, and eventually compensate some staff memebers
[03:32:46] <juggs> crutchy, I note your comment and will file it appropriately
[03:32:58] <crutchy> in the 'ass' folder :-P
[03:33:07] <mrcoolbp> crutchy, you testing out the IRC piping submission code?
[03:33:15] * prospectacle buys mrcoolbp a pint of sierra nevada
[03:33:23] <mrcoolbp> ooh, yummy
[03:33:40] <crutchy> mrcoolbp, i'm just mucking around in the wiki sandbox
[03:33:52] <crutchy> mostly works. just some formatting issues
[03:34:30] <mrcoolbp> crutchy, how cool that it signs your comment
[03:34:39] <mrcoolbp> but, we'd have to hack that a bit
[03:34:52] <crutchy> hack?
[03:35:08] <mrcoolbp> when you type: ~~~~ it makes it point to your user page and it timestamps it
[03:35:28] <mrcoolbp> we could reverse-engineer the output
[03:35:41] <crutchy> it doesn't do ~~~~
[03:35:45] <mrcoolbp> even if that user doesn't exist it would still have the text
[03:35:47] <crutchy> it manually outputs the sig
[03:35:55] <mrcoolbp> from each user?
[03:35:59] <crutchy> yup
[03:36:02] <mrcoolbp> what channel are you testing in
[03:36:10] <crutchy> otherwise you'd just get a link to exec's user page
[03:36:21] <crutchy> testing in #
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[03:51:05] <juggs> double arrgh - so I ask the complainant if they genuinely find the two aforementioned terms offensive - the reply, no they don't but other people might and there might be children playing, so it should be changed. wtf is going on. I've entered some distorted dystopian mind game where stuff should be censored on the basis that someone, somewhere at some point (all unknown) ~might~ be offended. I need a lie down.
[03:53:30] <mrcoolbp> juggs: some users spoil it for everyone
[03:53:57] <mrcoolbp> juggs: you should see the emails I got from APK = )
[03:54:44] * mrcoolbp 's ethic prevent him from going into detail
[03:55:29] <pbnjoe> hey everyone
[03:55:39] <juggs> o/ hey pbnjoe
[03:55:45] <mrcoolbp> o hai
[03:56:29] <pbnjoe> how's everyone?
[03:57:04] <mrcoolbp> decent, you?
[04:00:47] <juggs> I am so inclined to retort with something along the lines of - well it's a game that encourages the ripping out of babies necks and drinking their blood, beating the snot out of everyone around you just because and generally being a murderous thieving vagabond. But sure, I'm inclined to censor the use of mere words that may allude to something sexual in case someone, somewhere at some point in time may allow their child to stumble across the word d
[04:00:47] <juggs> ildo. Isn't that what parenting is for?
[04:01:32] <pbnjoe> I'm good thanks
[04:01:44] * juggs calms down
[04:03:38] <chromas> juggs, I'd better not see a female nipple in there, either!
[04:04:00] <mrcoolbp> juggs: that's a good response actually, wrap some nice text around it, but it's the truth
[04:04:16] <juggs> chromas, depictions of nudity are also verboten.
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[04:05:28] <mrcoolbp> gonna head to bed, gotta be at work in 6 hours
[04:05:31] <juggs> mrcoolbp, that is what I am doing.
[04:05:33] * mrcoolbp goes to sleep
[04:05:38] <juggs> sleep well
[04:05:38] <mrcoolbp> g'night juggs
[04:06:23] <arti> nite nite
[04:08:42] <pbnjoe> night mrcoolbp
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[04:21:38] <Alberto> dfoidfljksfsdjoe
[04:21:42] <Alberto> how are you!
[04:21:42] <Alberto> :D
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[04:28:29] <Subsentient> So I hear of filesystem corruption? Not using EXT4 eh?
[04:30:55] <crutchy> filessystem corruption?
[04:31:03] <arti> must be accepting bribes
[04:31:31] <juggs> Subsentient, ext4 is a journalling FS on the whole - it doesn't take to hard power outages too kindly. Seems to have improved over the years, but I know when Ubuntu 1st adopted it I lost plenty of "saved" docs thanks too a flakey PSU.
[04:31:55] <crutchy> should have used amigafs
[04:32:22] <arti> it's all about the befs
[04:32:31] <arti> bfs
[04:33:33] <crutchy> drbd
[04:33:34] <juggs> ach gawd - have the distro wars moved to become FS wars these days? We need something to argue the toss over right?
[04:33:49] <crutchy> hmm dbrd prolly isn't really a fs
[04:33:51] <arti> well, we can argue about toast or muffins
[04:34:22] <crutchy> natalie portman > kiera knightly
[04:34:22] <Alberto> What is Ubuntu?
[04:34:44] <crutchy> i think its a brand of vacuum cleaner
[04:34:53] <arti> it's like a vuvuzela
[04:34:53] <crutchy> it sucks :-D
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[04:35:35] <arti> greetings dude
[04:36:00] <juggs> hey wait, can we have a systemd vs init vs upstart debate? Those are always productive :D
[04:36:10] <prospectacle> hi
[04:36:39] <prospectacle> I've got an idea for a movie:
[04:36:51] <prospectacle> Someone decides on a new goal they wish to pursue. Things don't go according to plan.
[04:36:54] <prospectacle> What do you think?
[04:37:05] <Subsentient> juggs: I have never, ever, ever had an ext4 filesystem completely die on me unless I deliberately destroyed it.
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[04:37:56] <arti> "i'm afraid the corruptitron will be quite operational when your data arrives..."
[04:38:46] <Subsentient> I've lost data from a bad shutdown but never enough to ruin my OS or kill the filesystem.
[04:38:57] <Subsentient> I make a habit of always typing 'sync
[04:39:03] <Subsentient> after a large update or something
[04:39:21] <Subsentient> s/'sync/'sync
[04:39:21] * SedBot2 offers Sebsantunt a /
[04:39:24] <Subsentient> s/'sync/'sync'/
[04:39:27] <Subsentient> Subsentient: s/'sync/'sync'/
[04:39:41] <arti> lol
[04:39:47] <arti> Sebsatunt
[04:39:53] <arti> Sebsantunt
[04:40:03] <Subsentient> tneitnesbuS
[04:40:14] <Subsentient> SubsentientneitnesbuS
[04:40:31] <Subsentient> $sr SubsentientneitnesbuS
[04:40:31] <aqu4> SubsentientneitnesbuS
[04:41:01] * Alberto making his new LFS OS rev759!
[04:41:10] <juggs> Subsentient, me neither. I have lost files though. Although that does hark back to the early implementations in Ubuntu 10.04. But then I kind of expect shit to get messed up with a PSU that decides it wants to just randomly cut all power. On the other hand isn't that what journalling was intended to try to resolve?
[04:41:19] <Alberto> can't belive that i did almost 800 versions of my Linux
[04:41:20] <Alberto> lol
[04:41:48] <Subsentient> juggs: Perhaps, but I much more highly value filesystem stability. I want it to take a nuclear strike and keep the fs intact.
[04:42:36] <Subsentient> So, I can't call it 'corruption' if you lose data from a bad shutdown. If the kernel starts spewing angry FS corruption and read errors, that's corruption, not '7 orphan inodes deleted'
[04:43:04] <Subsentient> Alberto: What design you using? Classic LFS or something new?
[04:43:21] <Subsentient> Alberto: Consider using my init system: http://universe2.us
[04:43:22] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03200.754ms.14)[0]: 03The Epoch Init System: A new beginning
[04:43:33] <juggs> Subsentient, you're concerned about your filesystem in the event of a nuclear strike in the vicinity?
[04:43:42] <Subsentient> juggs: lol
[04:44:49] <Alberto> Subsentient, classic
[04:45:02] <Alberto> how to build your init with classic LFS?
[04:45:03] <Alberto> any docs?
[04:45:08] <Alberto> looks sexy
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[04:46:20] <arti> mr finkus
[04:46:24] <arti> how kind of you to join us
[04:46:26] <Subsentient> Alberto: No, you just read the lfs's sysvinit scripts and create config for Epoch. My system used some LFS instructions for compile flags because I hate bad builds, but it's mostly a custom system designed for i586 PCs and up. with a /usr merged FS (And sbin is merged with bin), and XFCE 4.11 (which is unstable 4.12)
[04:46:29] <arti> we were looking for someone to buy us pizza
[04:46:51] <arti> what subsentient is saying is it's awesome
[04:46:58] <Alberto> Subsentient, pretty amazing
[04:47:06] <Alberto> i'm making a new shell
[04:47:19] <Alberto> for touch screens with Linux
[04:47:20] <Subsentient> Alberto: well thanks, but when you go through LFS more than twice you get the gist of it and you can create your own brew.
[04:47:23] <Alberto> "new generation"
[04:47:28] <Subsentient> Alberto: Language?
[04:47:31] <Alberto> C
[04:47:33] <Subsentient> Nice.
[04:47:40] <Subsentient> Standard? ANSI? Or heretic?
[04:47:41] <Alberto> didn't make it public yet
[04:47:46] <Alberto> need to finish my language
[04:48:19] <arti> cool
[04:48:27] <Alberto> i'm a fan of Stargate
[04:48:31] <Subsentient> Alberto: POSIX or something new?
[04:48:31] <arti> you guys should produce offspring, i mean collaborate
[04:48:38] <Alberto> so i wanted the Altnatian language as part of my OS
[04:48:45] <Alberto> atlantian*
[04:48:54] <Alberto> i'm planning to use native OpenGL
[04:49:00] * Alberto learning this things
[04:49:01] * arti didn't really watch the series, but read some of the books between the movies and the show
[04:49:02] <Subsentient> Oh god. Introducing Epoch Init System 2.0! Now with an integrated unix shell!
[04:49:09] <arti> the lore is pretty cool
[04:49:22] <Subsentient> s/Epoch/systemd/
[04:49:22] <SedBot2> <Subsentient> Oh god. Introducing systemd Init System 2.0! Now with an integrated unix shell!
[04:49:30] <Subsentient> :^3
[04:49:46] <Alberto> https://www.google.com.mx
[04:50:37] <Alberto> i'm using this http://www.thescifiworld.net
[04:50:38] <ciri> 14Title(03iso-8859-1 14/ 03499.853ms.14)[0]: 03Stargate Atlantis Glyphs font and other Sci-fi fonts
[04:51:01] <crutchy> ADHD eh
[04:51:02] <Alberto> a friend is helpng with some stuff, i not rly a "pro" coder just a passionated for "everything" user lol
[04:51:18] <Alberto> i wanted to remove the normal shell
[04:51:22] <Alberto> no bash nor crap like that
[04:51:30] <Alberto> at least for the "user side"
[04:51:39] <Alberto> because the damn Linux kernel requires shell :/
[04:51:47] <crutchy> i'm a luser
[04:52:12] * Alberto a bewbye
[04:52:34] <Alberto> s/bewbye/newbie/
[04:52:35] <SedBot2> <Alberto> a newbie
[04:52:42] <crutchy> hmm
[04:52:51] * crutchy thought he was in # then :-/
[04:52:59] <crutchy> till he saw SedBot2
[04:53:02] <arti> ~define bewbye a special type of newbie
[04:53:16] <exec> [stoacademy] 3bewbye a special type of newbie: AoE - Area of Effect
[04:53:33] <crutchy> must be something to do with the twightlight saga
[04:53:54] <crutchy> i think that sto thingy just throws up random definitions
[04:57:40] <Alberto> anyone knows a graphical shell interface ?
[04:58:21] <arti> uh
[04:58:47] <Subsentient> Alberto: I just switched my font to Vorlon.
[04:59:11] <Alberto> Vorlon is epic lol
[04:59:24] <Subsentient> Too bad they don't have Imeutan
[05:00:10] <Alberto> what's that
[05:00:31] <Subsentient> http://universe2.us
[05:00:32] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03191.401ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/m7454ck 14 )[0]: 0314Image (03image/png14). Size: 031.818Kb14.
[05:01:20] <Subsentient> Alberto: It's something I pulled out of my ass.
[05:01:37] <Alberto> lool
[05:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Plans Super Particle Collider - http://sylnt.us - where'd-they-get-the-super-particles?
[05:01:42] <crutchy> your ass is full of spiky things
[05:01:42] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03573.284ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/nbsw5ta 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | China Plans Super Particle Collider
[05:01:51] <crutchy> that must be uncomfortable
[05:01:57] <Subsentient> Imeuta is a fictional station-cluster city orbiting a blue giant, inhabited with these large, strange white lemur things.
[05:02:08] <crutchy> with spikes
[05:02:21] <Alberto> SubLinux has epoch?
[05:02:22] <arti> you know how you can barter with them? combs!
[05:03:03] <Subsentient> Alberto: Yes
[05:03:04] * Alberto stealing http://universe2.us
[05:03:05] <Alberto> :D
[05:03:13] <Subsentient> Alberto: No. I have a better link.
[05:03:13] <Alberto> need a mirror?
[05:03:14] <Alberto> :P
[05:03:14] <Subsentient> Wait
[05:03:25] <Alberto> do you have x64 version?
[05:03:27] <Subsentient> https://www.dropbox.com
[05:03:32] <Subsentient> Alberto: I have a PAE kernel, that works fine.
[05:03:42] <Alberto> 32GB of ram
[05:03:49] <Subsentient> Alberto: PAE can handle it
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[05:03:53] <Alberto> and my other machine has 256 GB
[05:04:04] -!- Konomi [Konomi!~Konomi@Soylent/Users/189/Konomi] has joined #Soylent
[05:04:08] <Subsentient> Alberto: PAE can handle up to 64GB of RAM
[05:04:22] <Subsentient> So yeah, but building a x64 kernel and using the 32-bit userland is what I would do
[05:04:38] <Subsentient> I did that before
[05:04:59] <Alberto> i will try
[05:05:03] <Alberto> hope it works on my machine
[05:05:05] <Alberto> is fast?
[05:05:07] <Subsentient> Alberto: But no, there is currently no x64 version because I only have one x64 capable PC in the entire house.
[05:05:23] <Subsentient> Alberto: It's fucking blistering fast.
[05:05:24] <Alberto> i can give you an server to build
[05:05:29] <Alberto> :D
[05:05:30] <Subsentient> Full XFCE desktop in 65MB of RAM
[05:05:39] <Alberto> i got 2 ATI 7770
[05:05:49] <Alberto> 2 GB e/o
[05:06:22] <Alberto> and 4 TB disk
[05:06:49] <Alberto> my main disk is a 256 SSD
[05:07:48] <prospectacle> is ssd very fast?
[05:08:12] <crutchy> it has a built in hyperdrive
[05:08:38] <crutchy> you have to wear a seat belt if you use ssd
[05:08:45] <Alberto>
[05:08:50] <prospectacle> does have flux capacator?
[05:09:17] <Alberto> no idea of what a capacator
[05:10:00] <prospectacle> you know for time travul
[05:10:19] <crutchy> !quote 217
[05:10:19] <Bender> Can't find quote 217
[05:10:23] <crutchy> aww
[05:10:29] <crutchy> per channel quotes --
[05:10:35] <pbnjoe> "ciri> Crutchy: i rebooted atheme service, but napalm on your momma's chest."
[05:10:40] <pbnjoe> is what he wanted
[05:11:43] * Alberto checking where prospectacle lives to send them a few Jaffa to exterminate him
[05:12:20] <prospectacle> but seriously, are SSDs a lot quicker? I've heard some people say so but never tried one out
[05:12:22] <crutchy> !quote ciri
[05:12:22] <Bender> Quote 154 - <ciri> unitron: I've done many a number of humans the impeding environmental crisis will kill off, the curse of sexual attraction as it knows that the bird is the word.
[05:12:26] <Bender> Also in quotes: 201, 207, 208, 210
[05:12:46] <crutchy> !quote 201
[05:12:46] <Bender> Quote 201 - <ciri> Crutchy: yes, i initally had the fortune of sitting by authentic tards.
[05:12:52] <crutchy> lol
[05:16:48] <crutchy> !quote nograb
[05:16:48] <Bender> Quote 195 - <Bytram> nograb
[05:22:51] <prospectacle> Generally spinning media is worse in lots of ways, but hard disks are getting pretty good these days
[05:29:40] <pbnjoe> for a general anecdote: yeah SSD's are faster
[05:31:08] <prospectacle> They're more expensive though aren't they? I suppose for big things like a video library you can just have a cheap external hard disk, and then on your actual computer only have whatever you want to watch in the next week
[05:31:52] <pbnjoe> yeah from what I've seen people suggest SSD for OS and what you need to load quickly, and large HDDs for storage
[05:32:00] <prospectacle> makes sense
[05:32:01] <pbnjoe> and yes they are more expensive
[05:32:12] <pbnjoe> but that shouldn't last for too too long
[05:32:22] <prospectacle> I was blown away first time i read "ram is not a feature, it's an optimisation", but it's so true. One day maybe we'll just have one kind of storage that will be fast and cheap
[05:33:20] <prospectacle> do phones use the same thing for storage/ram do you know?
[05:34:09] <juggs> fast NVRAM baked right into the SoC package- it'll happen eventually - probably already has.
[05:34:17] <pbnjoe> I dunno
[05:35:46] <Alberto> i go have a 256 GB for my OS
[05:35:49] <prospectacle> juggs, yeah that makes sense
[05:36:01] <Alberto> and use for storage 2x 4TB Sata 3 Enteprise
[05:36:05] <Alberto> enter*
[05:36:16] <Alberto> damn Enterprise
[05:36:23] * Alberto is falling apart
[05:36:43] <prospectacle> Alberto, do you find it noticeably quicker than having os on HDD?
[05:36:55] <Alberto> i boot on like 1 sec
[05:37:00] <prospectacle> cool
[05:37:13] <juggs> me neither pbnjoe, I'll bother coming back up to date when I need to do a system refresh. Trying to keep up with the latest, greatest everything is just time wasted for me.
[05:37:24] <Alberto> i removed windows 8 from my notebook
[05:37:38] <Alberto> HP used an 128 SSD for "cache"
[05:37:48] <Alberto> so i moved my Linux there, removed all efi crap
[05:37:59] <Alberto> and installed Plain Linux with KDE
[05:38:09] <Alberto> boot in like 2 secs to my desktop
[05:38:18] <Alberto> and is a notebook, they alwys boot slow
[05:38:23] <Alberto> so SSD is faster yes
[05:38:58] <prospectacle> that's a pretty amazing difference
[05:39:08] * prospectacle starts saving his pennies
[05:39:31] <Alberto> it its
[05:39:38] <juggs> 2 secs to a desktop? pics / vid or it didn't happen! Natalie Portman or something about grits
[05:39:42] <Alberto> i want to get a few 15K scsi
[05:40:02] <Alberto> juggs 1 sec to desktop with XFCE
[05:40:19] <Alberto> i removed the virus called Windows and placed another called Ubuntu
[05:40:26] <Alberto> and then back to my Linux
[05:40:28] <Alberto> LFS*
[05:40:34] <prospectacle> makes me wonder why my android phone takes so long to boot
[05:40:45] <arti> gotta beam all that shit back to the telco
[05:40:56] <arti> getting instructions from the mothership
[05:41:31] <Alberto> lol
[05:42:53] <prospectacle> oh yeah i forgot that step
[05:43:07] <Alberto> 00:42:54 up 987 days, 20:08, 1 user, load average: 0.32, 0.23, 0.14
[05:46:10] <prospectacle> given how much info it has to give the mothership then, it's actually surprisingly fast
[05:46:15] * prospectacle feels much better
[05:48:30] * juggs wanders off to a smelly sleeping pit
[05:48:51] * Alberto wants to try Gentoo
[05:49:05] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[05:49:32] <Alberto> i'm getting Undefined subroutine &Scalar::Util::readonly called at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/IO/Uncompress/Base.pm line 1104. when i try to install a cPan module, what can be?
[05:50:25] <keplr> Hello all
[05:50:34] <prospectacle> Alberto: "We found that this is due to an outdated Scalar::Util module that was unable to be loaded properly by system Perl. To fix this, you need to update the perl module directly from source."
[05:50:49] <prospectacle> source: the internets
[05:50:55] <prospectacle> http://www.thecpaneladmin.com
[05:50:56] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03253.194ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/jwpxhwd 14 )[0]: 03Correcting Perl Scalar::List::Util Errors on CentOS 5 :: The cPanel Admin
[05:51:37] <crutchy> i think i know the cause of your problem Alberto...
[05:51:44] <crutchy> you're using perl
[05:52:24] <crutchy> you realize if you get it to successfully compile it will trash your house and run away with your wife
[05:52:43] <Alberto> prospectacle, thank you
[05:52:55] <Alberto> that is what happen when you avoid a reboot
[05:52:56] <Alberto> :p
[06:12:39] <keplr> Wallpaper I edited: https://i.imgur.com
[06:12:56] <chromas> ooh, dual-screen
[06:13:04] <arti> i was wondering why i only got half of it lol
[06:13:18] <arti> "wtf, did my connection stall out?"
[06:13:59] * chromas saves
[06:14:20] <chromas> ah oh, here come Jesus; he looks disgruntled
[06:14:33] <chromas> "Ya took ma jub!"
[06:14:44] <keplr> I've been doing a lot of sun astronomy lately
[06:14:57] <arti> taking some LSD and staring at the sky?
[06:14:58] <keplr> Wish I could get photos that good
[06:15:09] <arti> o.@
[06:15:37] <keplr> The one time I took LSD, I took an elevator to my room. I was feeling sick and just wanted to lay down.
[06:16:17] <arti> did you live in a giant building?
[06:16:19] <keplr> The elevator opened to a vision of hell itself: field of lava, smoking crags, a black sky, an.
[06:17:35] <arti> you should put that as a quote on the wallpaper
[06:18:03] * arti has a sudden urge to watch close encounters of the third kind
[06:18:14] <keplr> The worst part is that I remember it as if it happened.
[06:18:46] <keplr> Though I know intellectually it was a delusion.
[06:19:25] <arti> "wow the fidelity!"
[06:19:55] <keplr> Hell doesn't exist, and it certainly isn't as hackneyed as Mordor.
[06:20:20] <arti> mordor is like a dark elbonia
[06:21:51] <keplr> It was a good experience
[06:22:03] <keplr> Actually. I wouldn't want to do it again though
[06:22:47] <arti> yay for chemistry :D
[06:23:13] <keplr> I had access to several research chemicals but I didn't indulge.
[06:23:33] <keplr> I wanted the bicycle tested LSD.
[06:23:44] <arti> yeah, that'd be sweet. what a ride that must've been
[06:24:08] <arti> "i know, i'll go for a bike ride!"
[06:24:55] <keplr> And actually my first experience with cannabis was worse
[06:25:44] <keplr> I thought I was actually going to die, so I sat in the building's lobby for a few hours. Alone. Just staring at the window. Heart rate was above 100.
[06:25:56] <arti> LOL
[06:26:07] <arti> not fun
[06:26:52] <keplr> I just kept measuring my heart rate, worrying about it. I was sure I would have a heart attack
[06:26:59] <keplr> Great, I'll be the first person to die from pot
[06:27:11] <arti> hopefully you've had some better experienes
[06:27:20] <arti> s/experienes/experiences/
[06:27:20] <SedBot2> <arti> hopefully you've had some better experiences
[06:27:42] <keplr> My resting heart rate is 45, so I was rather alarmed.
[06:28:46] <keplr> It was an edible, so it lasted for a long time.
[06:28:54] <arti> oh sweet
[06:28:57] <arti> "long burn"
[06:28:59] <keplr> Horrible experience
[06:29:11] <keplr> Just, sheer terror the whole time.
[06:29:12] <arti> i usually rock those now, hardly smoke it
[06:29:21] <arti> sounds like you had quite a bit too
[06:29:39] <arti> "yeah first time drinking i had half a bottle of tequila!"
[06:29:39] <keplr> I ate an entire medical grade cookie
[06:29:50] * arti enjoys those stories
[06:30:07] <arti> ive had people do that "oh it won't be that strong"
[06:30:16] <arti> "dude, i told you to take a 1/4 of that"
[06:30:20] <keplr> which was, I found out, four "doses" by the amateur apothacary who peddle cannabis around the Sacramento region
[06:30:22] * Alberto like's LSD
[06:30:45] <arti> well, on the bright side you upped your tolerance
[06:30:53] <crutchy> did it have medical grade germs?
[06:31:05] <prospectacle> keplr, yeah people don't seem to physically overdose on pot, but mental overdose is not fun
[06:31:12] <arti> it's magic once it hits the liver
[06:31:30] <keplr> prospectacle: you do it to yourself by worrying. I was never in any real danger
[06:31:32] <arti> my dad usually rocks them for sleep
[06:31:52] <arti> i've got some wicked butter, just puts you out
[06:31:54] <keplr> That's all it's good for now, for me
[06:32:04] <prospectacle> keplr, saw a funny video "getting doug with high" where comedians smoke up with this host, doug someone. Anyway one of them was checking his pulse and says "This is what I do when I'm high. Why do I do that? What am I going to say 'well my pulse has stopped, better do something about it'"
[06:32:26] <keplr> lol
[06:32:33] <keplr> No, mine went way up
[06:32:47] <keplr> Although I guess my fear was that it would eventually stop
[06:32:48] <arti> bad audio, https://www.youtube.com
[06:33:04] <arti> really good bit on edibles
[06:33:27] <prospectacle> Here it is
[06:33:27] <prospectacle> https://www.youtube.com
[06:33:40] <prospectacle> Has the guy who created community. Sarah Silverman keeps wanting to make a human pyramind
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[06:36:27] <keplr> The guy who really introduced me to psychoactive chemicals was a Historian and Chinese double major. He OD'd on heroin a couple years ago. Such a waste.
[06:36:56] <arti> pretty wild how that's popular
[06:37:45] <keplr> Well adjusted people don't get into it
[06:38:05] <crutchy> peer pressure: "if you don't try to kill yourself like us you're just not cool"
[06:39:04] <chromas> It's only cool the second time around
[06:39:26] <crutchy> which really means "i was tricked into this shit... i need to trick someone else into it so that they can make me feel better about myself"
[06:39:43] <arti> the purity is an issue, and also tolerance. stop for awhile and do the usual and it's fatal
[06:40:02] * arti prefers drinking and doobies
[06:40:06] <arti> enjoy my sleep far too much
[06:40:30] <keplr> A friend of his even killed himself because of drug addiction. He was an amazing artist, IMO. I personally carried one of his pieces across Sacramento; a 4m by 2m oil on canvas.
[06:40:30] <prospectacle> if it's illegal the purity won't be clearly labelled
[06:40:33] <chromas> ([b,d]oobies)++
[06:40:33] <Bender> karma - ([b,d]oobies): 1
[06:40:36] <prospectacle> that's the main problem
[06:40:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intrusion Detection System for CANBus - http://sylnt.us - so-now-it's-a-CAN'TBus?
[06:40:56] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03723.965ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/lm23s4q 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Intrusion Detection System for CANBus
[06:40:57] <keplr> And I know I've only seen a taste of the wasted human potential lost to addiction. Makes me very sad.
[06:41:08] <crutchy> a glass of cheap red is enough to make me sleepy, but i was lucky enough not to value rl friendship as much as others
[06:41:41] <arti> crutchy, you can always be 'that guy' who smokes and then disappears
[06:41:49] <arti> 'brb' /quest for him later and find him sleeping
[06:42:00] <prospectacle> heroin has a low effective/lethal dose ratio, which makes it all the more necessary to print the dose on the label
[06:42:16] <arti> how can it be bad, it has hero in it
[06:42:18] <prospectacle> alcohol has a relatively low ratio too, but not many people die directly from alcohol overdose, cause you know how much you're drinking
[06:42:23] <keplr> Ever been to the reddit /r/opiate community? Makes me sick
[06:42:32] <SirFinkus> oh cool, drug talk?
[06:42:33] <arti> nope, i don't really redit
[06:42:38] <arti> reddit
[06:42:52] <keplr> I've lost people to opiate addiction and they make it seem glamorous
[06:43:28] <keplr> Pretty terrible community of enablers
[06:43:31] <SirFinkus> opiates do sound like the best drug in the world, which is why I don't touch the stuff
[06:43:45] * prospectacle has some opiates in his brain at the moment from the cold and flu tablets
[06:43:54] <crutchy> ^^mee too
[06:43:58] <arti> SirFinkus: the british east india company thought so too!
[06:44:00] <keplr> Imodium is an opiate
[06:44:02] <crutchy> and antibioticals
[06:44:10] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah it seems to be going around, everyone's got it
[06:44:11] <arti> crutchy, those are the winds after fast food
[06:44:24] <SirFinkus> I've had some prescriptions for it, but I get off them as quickly as I can
[06:44:26] <crutchy> probably a bit of both arti
[06:44:37] <crutchy> not a good idea to be around my ass
[06:44:48] <keplr> Everyone deserves some vicodin when they get their wisdom teeth removes
[06:44:53] <keplr> But I wasn't born with any :(
[06:45:02] <arti> vicodin isn't available in germany because its so addictive
[06:45:13] <SirFinkus> you're lucky keplr, wisdom teeth suck
[06:45:20] <crutchy> is that the stuff that doctor house is addicted to?
[06:45:20] <keplr> It's no more addictive than any other opiate
[06:45:22] * arti has all 4 of his
[06:45:22] <SirFinkus> I was drinking ensure for like a week
[06:45:42] <SirFinkus> it gets old after day 2
[06:45:58] * prospectacle was told by dentist "I'll have to put fillings in your wisdom teeth, and then later remove them"
[06:46:03] <arti> what
[06:46:10] <arti> "i'm going to have to double bill you, asshole"
[06:46:20] <arti> "this yacht isn't goign to pay for itself"
[06:46:25] <keplr> prospectacle: your teeth move around as you age, that's not unreasonable
[06:46:43] <arti> that's just the drugs talking
[06:46:45] <SirFinkus> as far as addiction goes, benzos are the worst as far as physical addiction goes, maybe along with alcohol
[06:47:04] <keplr> Alcohol addiction can actually kill you
[06:47:09] <SirFinkus> well, alcohol moresoe because thatll kill you
[06:47:09] <keplr> Opiate addiction can't
[06:47:29] * arti cocks head to one side
[06:47:41] <keplr> Opiate withdrawals will just be the most painful experience of your life, but won't kill you.
[06:47:46] <SirFinkus> from a friend of a friend, withdrawing off benzos is worse than heroin
[06:48:09] <keplr> Yeah benzo is the worst according to the literature
[06:48:25] <prospectacle> SirFinkus, yeah I think deadly withdrawal wins as far as worst-addiction goes
[06:48:43] <SirFinkus> fucking doctors put me on all kinds of adhd stuff, starting in 1st grade
[06:49:03] <SirFinkus> withdrawal was fun for those too
[06:49:13] <arti> bummer
[06:49:24] <keplr> Anyone ever had tramadol?
[06:49:31] <SirFinkus> naw
[06:49:34] <arti> we've got a whole generation coming up with exposure to stuff like that
[06:49:39] <arti> from early ages
[06:49:42] <SirFinkus> I think I'm still a little fucked up tbh
[06:49:55] <SirFinkus> I get fits of the body zaps stuff
[06:50:03] <arti> 'zaps'?
[06:50:10] <SirFinkus> difficult to describe
[06:50:29] <keplr> One of tramadol's off-label uses is to prevent premature ejaculation. If you don't have that problem, it makes you last forever
[06:50:36] <arti> LOL
[06:50:43] <SirFinkus> I had them a lot when I decided that taking adderal every day
[06:50:47] <arti> HNNNNGGGGGccccoome onnnn
[06:51:12] <SirFinkus> it literally feels like an electric shock passes through your body, when I stopped taking them it would happen every 5 seconds or so
[06:51:20] <prospectacle> crikey
[06:51:35] <arti> things like this aren't normal, but on METH they are /artisticphoto
[06:51:49] <SirFinkus> it isn't super unpleasant, unless you're trying to sleep or concentrate on something
[06:52:18] <keplr> That covers almost 100% of my existance
[06:52:29] <SirFinkus> haha, welcome to the club
[06:52:51] <arti> well we have a common bond
[06:52:51] <SirFinkus> I just stay up until I pass out these days, otherwise I'll start to think
[06:52:56] <arti> ./
[06:53:01] <keplr> If you're not trying to concentrate on something you might as well be asleep
[06:53:03] <arti> and now SN
[06:53:25] <keplr> The unexamined life isn't worth living.
[06:53:33] <SirFinkus> well, yeah
[06:53:41] <SirFinkus> but sometimes you wish it could wait until later
[06:53:56] <SirFinkus> I've spent too many nights contemplating my mortality and the meaning of life
[06:54:09] <keplr> You have an eternity of waiting ahead of you after death.
[06:54:33] <SirFinkus> but I won't know it after I'm dead
[06:54:44] <prospectacle> SirFinkus, I find if you're thinking too much, force the thoughts into complete sentences, and then slow the pace of the words down. Somehow it relaxes you, where "speaking" fast in your mind makes you awake
[06:54:47] <prospectacle> ymmv
[06:55:11] <SirFinkus> might work, I'll try it
[06:55:12] <keplr> "You won't know when you're dead" is the only thing that gives me comfort about it.
[06:55:55] <SirFinkus> well, being terrified of death seems to be a universal part of the human condition
[06:56:08] <keplr> I wish my thoughts could move faster. Forcing them through the seive of language seems so primitive
[06:56:23] <arti> i feel that way about reading
[06:56:47] <SirFinkus> just the opposite for me, I wish I could articulate my thoughts half the time
[06:56:57] <prospectacle> keplr, it's slow to start with, but it's like walking along a path vs running in circles, you make more progress in a specific direction and you can build up speed as you go.
[06:57:41] <prospectacle> of course it depends on the task. It's not for fast-reaction or physical co-ordination type stuff
[06:57:52] <prospectacle> but it's good for contemplation and planning
[06:57:52] * SirFinkus wishes he had gotten another pack of guitar strings
[06:58:04] <arti> smoke up your last ones?
[06:58:18] <SirFinkus> well, it was my first time replacing them
[06:58:24] <SirFinkus> so I did it kind of wrong
[06:58:29] * arti has never done this
[06:58:47] <arti> i just know tuning is potentially time consuming and error prone
[06:59:00] <SirFinkus> they work, but I didn't wrap them enough so I'm stuck with e standard if I don't want them to come undone
[06:59:06] <SirFinkus> tuning is easy
[06:59:30] <SirFinkus> takes like, 30 seconds
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[07:02:01] <arti> good to know
[07:02:08] <arti> oh this reminds me /googles
[07:02:48] <crutchy> ooh i had copy mode on in screen a bit too long :-p
[07:03:05] <arti> https://www.indiegogo.com
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[07:03:31] <crutchy> awesome
[07:03:37] <crutchy> ping timeout detected :-D
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[07:03:47] <SirFinkus> seems suspiciously like bullshit arti
[07:03:47] <exec> s/SedBot/hello/
[07:03:49] <arti> oh, your higgsboson
[07:03:59] <prospectacle> cool it's a food tricorder
[07:04:12] <crutchy> didn't have to do anything :-)
[07:04:19] <arti> you just had to observe it :P
[07:04:36] <crutchy> except press escape in screen to stop it from holding the program :-/
[07:04:43] <crutchy> not sure why it does that
[07:05:01] <arti> here's another one https://www.kickstarter.com
[07:05:47] <prospectacle> I just bring a tasting gorilla with me everywhere. If he lives I figure it's ok
[07:06:07] <crutchy> i know how to test exec's auto-reconnect without getting off the couch :-D
[07:06:08] <arti> "the silverback"
[07:06:27] <SirFinkus> careful he doesn't say "no"
[07:19:34] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:22:07] <SirFinkus> well, these "prank gone wrong" videos seem to be what's popular these days, I wonder how many are fake
[07:22:44] Alberto is now known as X
[07:23:18] <X> Find X
[07:23:19] <X> :D
[07:25:51] <crutchy> can usually tell from the chicks screaming
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[07:28:02] <exec> s/SedBot/hello/
[07:28:36] <crutchy> hmm. need a fraction more sleep
[07:28:48] <arti> power naps
[07:28:59] <chromas> sleep(1/∞);
[07:29:16] <crutchy> ~restart
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[07:29:47] <exec> s/SedBot/hello/
[07:30:13] <crutchy> hmm
[07:31:10] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[07:31:12] <exec> [Google] 2:31am Thursday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[07:31:23] <crutchy> ~restart
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[07:31:32] <crutchy> most prolly asleep anyways
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[07:31:52] <exec> s/SedBot/hello/
[07:32:03] <crutchy> pfft
[07:32:20] <crutchy> must be something ignoring the first line, cos 5 sec is plenty
[07:33:06] <crutchy> s/f/r/g
[07:33:12] <chromas> ~say s/e/E/
[07:33:13] <exec> s/e/E/
[07:33:24] <crutchy> s/f/r/g
[07:33:26] <chromas> s/~/o/
[07:33:35] <crutchy> hmm where did sedbot go!
[07:33:39] <crutchy> oh noooooo
[07:33:42] <chromas> oh yeah
[07:33:48] <crutchy> ~restart
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[07:34:06] <chromas> whoops
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[07:34:17] <exec> s/SedBot/hello/
[07:34:24] <chromas> ~sedbot powers activiate
[07:34:36] <chromas> ~say s/e/E/
[07:34:37] <exec> s/e/E/
[07:34:48] <crutchy> oh fucking fuck. i forgot to rsync before :-/
[07:35:14] <chromas> need an ~rsync or something that does rsync/restart combonation
[07:35:40] <crutchy> i can't rsync from the server :-(
[07:36:20] <crutchy> well, *i* can't. i'm sure its possible :-p
[07:36:29] <chromas> get sshd on that laptop immediately, mister! The world is at steak!
[07:36:42] <chromas> mmmm…
[07:37:07] <crutchy> mmm steak
[07:37:41] <crutchy> i need something that will get through NAT
[07:37:49] <crutchy> from the outside
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[07:38:38] <chromas> use the NSA port
[07:38:39] <crutchy> sedbot
[07:38:39] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:38:42] <crutchy> lol
[07:39:17] <prospectacle> sedbot2
[07:39:17] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:39:30] <prospectacle> well played
[07:40:53] <crutchy> ping FoobarBazbot
[07:41:07] <chromas> he had a recent post on SN
[07:41:16] <crutchy> oh
[07:42:48] <chromas> oh it was on the 20th
[07:42:54] <chromas> on EF's journal
[07:43:42] <chromas> Maybe he's trying to beat xlefay's idle record
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[08:01:01] <crutchy> need to change your user string for full obfuscatement alberto :-p
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[08:04:38] NickSerb is now known as SoylentNews
[08:05:56] SoylentNews is now known as segfault
[08:12:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meet Jibo, the World's First Family Robot - http://sylnt.us - what-does-the-second-family-get?
[08:12:06] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03365.194ms. 14/ 12http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/24/0152203&from=rss 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Meet Jibo, the World's First Family Robot
[08:12:19] segfault is now known as A
[08:40:03] A is now known as Alberto
[09:51:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Building Cloud Software That's Almost Impossible to Take Down: - http://sylnt.us - gonna-need-a-much-bigger-trap
[09:51:18] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03897.891ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/pwrph93 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Building Cloud Software That's Almost Impossible to Take Down:
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[10:05:35] <Bytram> !uid
[10:05:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4572, owned by unzombied
[10:05:59] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[10:05:59] <crutchy> evening Bytram :-)
[10:06:02] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-24 08:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.1 hrs ago:
[10:06:02] <exec> temp: 1046.8°F (8.2°C), dp: 1043.3°F (6.3°C), press: 101015.3 mb (0.2 mb over 3 hrs), humid: 1087%, wind: 105 mph (8 km/h) @ 1060°
[10:06:19] <Bytram> somebody's been playing with things again, eh?
[10:06:26] <Bytram> crisp: g'day!
[10:06:31] <crutchy> there were some requests today
[10:06:53] <Bytram> I dunno; the colors are nice, but I kind of miss the old layout
[10:07:02] <Bytram> :D
[10:07:06] <crutchy> it was a bit spammy
[10:07:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:07:45] <Bytram> looks a little nippy still down your way
[10:07:56] <Bytram> hmmm, I have an idea... =)
[10:07:57] <crutchy> rugged up with the heater going
[10:08:01] <Bytram> ~weather Boston
[10:08:06] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 2014-07-24 09:27:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[10:08:06] <exec> temp: 1073°F (22.8°C), dp: 1068.2°F (20.1°C), press: 101008.3 mb (0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1084%, wind: 103 mph (4.8 km/h) @ 10325°
[10:08:29] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:alpha:]]/X/g
[10:08:30] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> XXXX: 1073°X (22.8°X), XX: 1068.2°X (20.1°X), XXXXX: 101008.3 XX (0.1 XX XXXX 0.3 XXX), XXXXX: 1084%, XXXX: 103 XXX (4.8 XX/X) @ 10325°
[10:08:36] <Bytram> =)
[10:08:55] <crutchy> lol
[10:09:01] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:alnum:]]/Y/g
[10:09:02] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> YYYY: YYYY°Y (YY.Y°Y), YY: YYYY.Y°Y (YY.Y°Y), YYYYY: YYYYYY.Y YY (Y.Y YY YYYY Y.Y YYY), YYYYY: YYYY%, YYYY: YYY YYY (Y.Y YY/Y) @ YYYYY°
[10:09:03] <crutchy> guess the location
[10:09:17] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:punct:]]/Z/g
[10:09:17] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> tempZ 1073ZF Z22Z8ZCZZ dpZ 1068Z2ZF Z20Z1ZCZZ pressZ 101008Z3 mb Z0Z1 mb over 0Z3 hrsZZ humidZ 1084ZZ windZ 103 mph Z4Z8 kmZhZ Z 10325Z
[10:09:19] <crutchy> oh that's the cryptic version
[10:10:25] <crutchy> i think SedBot is up for grabs too (NickServ appears to have released it)
[10:10:36] <crutchy> do we know where FoobarBazbot is?
[10:10:43] <Bytram> there's more... but I got to look 'em up... brb
[10:10:48] <Bytram> I don't
[10:10:50] <crutchy> mkay
[10:11:25] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:digit:]]/=/g
[10:11:25] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> temp: ====°F (==.=°C), dp: ====.=°F (==.=°C), press: ======.= mb (=.= mb over =.= hrs), humid: ====%, wind: === mph (=.= km/h) @ =====°
[10:11:39] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:blank:]]/_/g
[10:11:40] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> temp:_1073°F_(22.8°C),_dp:_1068.2°F_(20.1°C),_press:_101008.3_mb_(0.1_mb_over_0.3_hrs),_humid:_1084%,_wind:_103_mph_(4.8_km/h)_@_10325°
[10:11:50] <crutchy> cool
[10:11:58] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:lower:]]/^/g
[10:11:58] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> ^^^^: 1073°F (22.8°C), ^^: 1068.2°F (20.1°C), ^^^^^: 101008.3 ^^ (0.1 ^^ ^^^^ 0.3 ^^^), ^^^^^: 1084%, ^^^^: 103 ^^^ (4.8 ^^/^) @ 10325°
[10:12:10] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:upper:]]/x/g
[10:12:11] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> temp: 1073°x (22.8°x), dp: 1068.2°x (20.1°x), press: 101008.3 mb (0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1084%, wind: 103 mph (4.8 km/h) @ 10325°
[10:12:27] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:print:]]/./g
[10:12:27] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> .......................................................................................................................................
[10:12:41] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:graph:]]/:/g
[10:12:41] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> ::::: :::::: ::::::::: ::: :::::::: ::::::::: :::::: :::::::: :: :::: :: :::: ::: ::::: :::::: :::::: ::::: ::: ::: :::: ::::: : ::::::
[10:12:41] <crutchy> can you extract a piece of text out of a string? could i get say the temp in degrees out?
[10:12:45] <crutchy> lol
[10:13:04] <Bytram> exec: s/[[:xdigit:]]/*/g
[10:13:04] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> t*mp: ****°* (**.*°*), *p: ****.*°* (**.*°*), pr*ss: ******.* m* (*.* m* ov*r *.* hrs), humi*: ****%, win*: *** mph (*.* km/h) @ *****°
[10:13:24] <Bytram> exec: s/ / /g
[10:13:57] <juggs> uch
[10:14:26] <Bytram> which temp do you want? and, btw, it gets *really* interesting trying to extract text that also contains pattern-matching meta-characters like parens and brackets :P
[10:14:31] <crutchy> Bytram's developing a new enigma code
[10:14:42] <Bytram> ~weather Ada, OK
[10:14:45] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-24 09:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.3 hrs ago:
[10:14:46] <exec> temp: 1068°F (20°C), dp: 1068°F (20°C), press: 101017.3 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 10100%, wind: 103 mph (4.8 km/h) @ 10330°
[10:15:21] <Bytram> s/^(temp: )([^ ]*)(.*)$/\2/
[10:15:32] <Bytram> exec s/^(temp: )([^ ]*)(.*)$/\2/
[10:15:37] <Bytram> exec: s/^(temp: )([^ ]*)(.*)$/\2/
[10:15:38] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> 1068°F
[10:15:42] <crutchy> ooh
[10:15:48] <Bytram> crutchy: you mean like that?
[10:15:51] <crutchy> yeah
[10:16:28] <Bytram> exec: s/^([^ F]* )([^ ]*)(.*)$/\2/
[10:16:28] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> 1068°F
[10:16:31] <crutchy> that looks a bit nasty. i'm glad i have explode and strtok in php
[10:16:44] <Bytram> hrmm, that didn't work... let's try again
[10:17:00] <Bytram> exec: s/^([^ F]*F )([^ ]*)(.*)$/\2/
[10:17:03] <crutchy> though i think there are regex functions
[10:17:33] <Bytram> hmmm
[10:17:38] <Bytram> ~weather Boston
[10:17:41] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 2014-07-24 09:57:00 (UTC) ~ 0.3 hrs ago:
[10:17:41] <exec> temp: 1073°F (22.8°C), dp: 1068.2°F (20.1°C), press: 101008.4 mb (0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1084%, wind: 104 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 10332°
[10:17:56] <crutchy> is it cos there's 2 deg F's?
[10:18:00] <JamesNZ> Colors! :)
[10:18:14] <crutchy> ah maybe. just to mix things up a bit :-P
[10:18:34] <crutchy> and bold
[10:18:38] <crutchy> :-)
[10:19:05] <Bytram> exec: s/^([^ F]+F )([^ ]*)(.*)/\2/
[10:19:10] <crutchy> chr(2).chr(3).$color.$temp.chr(3).chr(2)
[10:19:16] <crutchy> i think
[10:19:25] * crutchy checks to make sure
[10:19:50] <crutchy> yup. color is on the inside
[10:20:51] <Bytram> exec: s#^([^F]+F )([^ ]*)#\2#
[10:20:52] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> (22.8°C), dp: 1068.2°F (20.1°C), press: 101008.4 mb (0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1084%, wind: 104 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 10332°
[10:21:14] <Bytram> exec: s#^([^F]+F )([^ ]*)(.*)$#\2#
[10:21:14] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <exec> (22.8°C),
[10:21:45] <Bytram> ugh. It worked, but it's ***way*** too early in the am to be doing that kind of stuff!
[10:21:48] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:21:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 444
[10:21:53] <Bytram> bingo!
[10:22:04] <crutchy> lol
[10:22:08] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:22:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 445
[10:22:20] <crutchy> Bytram++
[10:22:20] <Bender> karma - bytram: 10
[10:22:23] <crutchy> Bytram++
[10:22:23] <Bender> karma - bytram: 11
[10:22:24] <crutchy> Bytram++
[10:22:24] <Bender> karma - bytram: 12
[10:22:37] <Bytram> crutchy: btw, what I demonstrated with the brackets... look up 'character classes'
[10:23:01] <crutchy> Bytram++ regex foo master
[10:23:01] <Bender> karma - bytram: 13
[10:23:08] <crutchy> mkay
[10:23:21] <Bytram> here's a brief summary from some old gawk doc I had lying around:
[10:23:22] <Bytram> Character classes are a new feature introduced in the POSIX standard. A character class is a special notation for describing lists of characters that have a specific attribute, but where the actual characters themselves can vary from country to country and/or from character set to character set. For example, the notion of what is an alphabetic character differs in the USA and in France.
[10:23:23] <Bytram> A character class is only valid in a regular expression inside the brackets of a character list. Character classes consist of [:, a keyword denoting the class, and :]. The character classes defined by the POSIX standard are:
[10:23:25] <crutchy> !todo look up regex character classes
[10:23:25] <Bender> todo item 2 added
[10:23:50] <Bytram> ~weather Anchorage
[10:23:53] <crutchy> ~define regex character classes
[10:23:54] <exec> weather for 10Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-24 09:47:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[10:23:54] <exec> temp: 1059°F (15°C), dp: 1048.8°F (9.3°C), press: 101009.7 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1068%, wind: 100 mph (0 km/h) @ 10149°
[10:24:03] <exec> regex character classes: unable to find definition
[10:24:08] <crutchy> bugger
[10:24:19] <Bytram> ~define character class
[10:24:21] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Character_class: In role-playing games (RPG), a common method of arbitrating the capabilities of different game characters is to assign each one to a character class. A character class aggregates several abilities and...
[10:24:25] <Bytram> lol
[10:24:27] <crutchy> added wikipedia, but it's a big fickety
[10:24:39] <crutchy> s/big/bit/
[10:24:39] <SedBot2> <crutchy> added wikipedia, but it's a bit fickety
[10:24:41] <Bytram> crutchy: s/big/bit/
[10:24:41] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <crutchy> added wikipedia, but it's a bit fickety
[10:24:50] <crutchy> :-)
[10:25:07] <Bytram> hmm, 'fickety'? Never saw that word before, but I *like* it!
[10:25:14] <crutchy> ~define fickety
[10:25:14] <Bytram> ~define fickety
[10:25:17] <crutchy> lol
[10:25:21] <exec> fickety: unable to find definition
[10:25:22] <exec> fickety: unable to find definition
[10:25:27] <crutchy> wtf?
[10:25:37] <Bytram> ~define finicky
[10:25:39] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3finicky: usually used to decribe ppl who r perfectionist i.e when u r picky about every little detail note: a finicky person usually hits whatever they aim at
[10:25:41] <crutchy> ~define-add fickety rough around the edges
[10:25:42] <exec> syntax: ~define-add <term>, <definition>
[10:25:50] <crutchy> ~define-add fickety, rough around the edges
[10:25:50] <exec> definition for term "fickety" set to "rough around the edges"
[10:26:21] <crutchy> hmm that's not quite right
[10:26:47] <crutchy> ~define-add fickety, temperamental. not working 100% as desired
[10:26:47] <exec> definition for term "fickety" set to "temperamental. not working 100% as desired"
[10:27:34] <crutchy> close enough
[10:28:29] <Bytram> fickety !== close enough
[10:28:32] <Bytram> ??
[10:28:52] <Alberto> Bytram!
[10:29:01] <Bytram> gday
[10:29:13] Alberto is now known as TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg
[10:29:15] <TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg> sup sup!
[10:29:16] <TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg> :D
[10:29:20] TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg is now known as Alberto
[10:29:35] <Alberto> how are you men
[10:29:40] <Alberto> gday? what time is therE?
[10:29:54] <Alberto> oh damn
[10:29:55] <Bytram> brb
[10:30:02] <Alberto> here is 5:30 AM
[10:30:24] <Alberto> ctcp crutchy time
[10:30:33] <Alberto> tell me da time! :P
[10:30:38] <Alberto> :D
[10:30:57] <Alberto> 20:30 PM there? thats a heavy diference
[10:30:58] <Alberto> :S
[10:32:32] <crutchy> ~time melbourne
[10:32:34] <exec> [Google] 8:32pm Thursday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[10:32:43] <crutchy> ^me
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[10:41:05] <Alberto> ~time San Cristobal de las Casas
[10:41:07] <exec> [Google] 5:41am Thursday (CDT) - Time in San Cristbal de Las Casas, Chiapas, Mexico
[10:42:05] <Bytram> !uid
[10:42:05] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4572, owned by unzombied
[10:42:15] <crutchy> lol
[10:42:29] * crutchy wonders where some of these nicks come from
[10:42:41] * Bytram just had a spin loop in his brain ... ouch!
[10:42:57] <Bytram> crutchy: brains!
[10:43:08] <crutchy> ~queue
[10:43:10] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 13
[10:43:34] <Bytram> cute!
[10:43:55] <Bytram> ~help
[10:43:56] <exec> alias "~help" requires additional trailing argument
[10:44:04] <crutchy> ~
[10:44:04] <exec> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[10:44:05] <exec> https://github.com
[10:44:05] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[10:44:06] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03804.578ms.14)[0]: 03IRC:exec - SoylentNews
[10:44:15] <crutchy> documentation is pretty sketchy :-/
[10:44:29] <crutchy> gradually adding tidbits
[10:44:38] <Bytram> ok, but what 'commands' does it know? How can I get a list of them, and their syntax?
[10:44:50] <crutchy> ~list
[10:44:50] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~log ~lock ~unlock
[10:44:51] <exec> ~sed-internal ~users-internal ~ping ~ ~sed ~remind ~cowsay ~moo ~fortune ~php ~join ~invite ~part ~isup ~time ~rainbow ~queue ~stats-lines ~stats-first ~translate ~translate-sl ~weather ~weather-add ~help ~help-script ~define ~define-add ~define-count ~define-sources
[10:45:02] <crutchy> hmm syntax is a bit tricky
[10:45:44] <Bytram> might want to equate ~help to ~list
[10:45:47] <crutchy> prolly source code is the best bet, but i should document syntax somewhere eh
[10:45:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:45:59] <crutchy> help is meant to be a bit more in depth
[10:46:16] <Bytram> actually skip my earlier comment; yuppers on help being more in depth.
[10:46:37] <crutchy> ~help-script irc.php
[10:46:49] <crutchy> ooh that one pm's
[10:47:05] <crutchy> ~help ~
[10:47:18] <crutchy> that one pm's too
[10:47:28] * juggs ambles off
[10:47:29] <crutchy> yeah i been really lazy with that one :-/
[10:47:33] <Bytram> "exec is an IRC bot that provides access to several conveniences. For a list of these, issue: ~list"
[10:47:43] * crutchy copypastas
[10:47:59] <Bytram> it ain't perfect, but it fils in the hole and can be improved, later.
[10:48:03] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[10:48:06] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:48:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 446
[10:48:07] <Bytram> brb
[10:48:09] <crutchy> there is this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[10:48:10] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03272.605ms.14)[0]: 03IRC:exec - SoylentNews
[10:48:21] <Bytram> actaully, back in about 5-10 minutes
[10:49:08] <Bytram> http://feeds.wired.com
[10:49:09] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03194.396ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ok4mvkh 14 )[1]: 03Tomorrows Fastest Cars Could Be Covered in Morphable Skins | Autopia | WIRED
[10:49:43] <Bytram> looks like we lost monopoly again. :/
[10:49:54] <Bytram> .op
[10:49:54] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Bytram] by juggler
[10:49:59] <Bytram> .deop
[10:49:59] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Bytram] by juggler
[10:50:15] <crutchy> its back, but chromas disabled in #soylent so as not to make things spammy
[10:51:07] <Bytram> crutchy: I just checked a few channels and didn't find it anywhere... not even in #rss-bot and #editorial where it would be of most use.
[10:51:07] <crutchy> oh oky maybe we did lose it :-(
[10:51:45] <Bytram> that's okay, during its absence, I wrote my own local version
[10:51:48] <Bytram> "http://www.wired.com/2014/07/the-futures-fastest-cars-could-be-covered-in-morphable-skins/"
[10:51:48] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 0332.365ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ok4mvkh 14 )[0]: 03Tomorrows Fastest Cars Could Be Covered in Morphable Skins | Autopia | WIRED
[10:51:59] <crutchy> i'lll ask chromas next time i see him
[10:52:03] <Bytram> ok, gtg, back in a few minutes
[10:52:06] <crutchy> k
[10:52:08] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:52:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 447
[10:52:14] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:52:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 448
[10:58:36] <Bytram> back, but I've got some things to do for the site... msg me if you need anything.
[10:58:46] <Bytram> !uid
[10:58:46] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4572, owned by unzombied
[11:00:02] <crutchy> Bytram, found monopoly
[11:00:08] <crutchy> look for MrBucket :-P
[11:00:11] <Alberto> supybot is amazing!
[11:01:04] <Bytram> crutchy: is that like MrFusion?
[11:01:14] <Bytram> or MrCoffee?
[11:01:17] <Bytram> =)
[11:02:01] <crutchy> honestly i have nfi, but there has been some odd discussions today :-d
[11:02:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Building Cloud Software That's Almost Impossible to Take Down - http://sylnt.us - gonna-need-a-much-bigger-trap
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[11:02:16] * crutchy has been a bit out of it
[11:02:27] <Bytram> http://feeds.wired.com
[11:02:28] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03894.245ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/m55zsq2 14 )[1]: 03The 75-Year Saga Behind a Game That Teaches Preschoolers to Code | Enterprise | WIRED
[11:03:06] <Bytram> "http://www.wired.com/2014/07/the-75-year-saga-behind-a-game-that-teachers-preschoolers-to-code/"
[11:03:07] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 0353.29ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/m55zsq2 14 )[0]: 03The 75-Year Saga Behind a Game That Teaches Preschoolers to Code | Enterprise | WIRED
[11:03:47] <Bytram> hmmm, the quotes make the link un-clickable in my client... :(
[11:03:51] <Bytram> http://www.wired.com
[11:03:52] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 0354.707ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/m55zsq2 14 )[0]: 03The 75-Year Saga Behind a Game That Teaches Preschoolers to Code | Enterprise | WIRED
[11:14:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:14:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 449
[11:14:36] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[11:14:37] <exec> [Google] 6:14am Thursday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[11:14:43] <crutchy> morning TheMightyBuzzard
[11:14:47] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:14:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 450
[11:14:51] <crutchy> hmm
[11:14:56] <crutchy> (col coffee)--
[11:14:56] <Bender> karma - (col coffee): -1
[11:14:59] <crutchy> fk
[11:15:03] <crutchy> (cold coffee)--
[11:15:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> that it is.
[11:15:03] <Bender> karma - (cold coffee): -1
[11:15:33] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:15:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 451
[11:15:49] * Bytram notes that was for Ray Bradbury
[11:16:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think he drinks coffee anymore
[11:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucking hands, wish they'd do what i tell them in the mornings
[11:21:19] <crutchy> i think there's a famous saying about that
[11:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> getting old sucks?
[11:22:42] <crutchy> "hands off your cocks, feet in your socks"
[11:22:48] <crutchy> or alternatively,
[11:22:59] <crutchy> "wakey wakey hand off snakey"
[11:25:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't trust em for that in the mornings
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[12:07:47] <chromas> /nick monopoly
[12:08:20] <chromas> Oh yeah
[12:08:40] <crutchy> lol you confusemented poor Bytram
[12:08:58] <crutchy> and me for a while
[12:09:00] <crutchy> :-d
[12:09:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> avoid the christmas rush, just stay confused from the start
[12:12:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ugh. blegh blegh BLEGH!!!! https://www.nic.ir
[12:12:26] <Bytram> Zero-Width-Joiner (ZWJ) and Zero-Width-Non-Joiner (ZWNJ)
[12:12:27] <Bytram> Within a word, some Persian letters are never joined to the next letter, e.g. ALEF "ا" and DAL "د". Some others may or may or may not be joined, such as HEH "ه" in "کلمیها" and "کلمهای", which are two distinct words. In order to type "کلمهای" on a keyboard, the ZWNJ should be used between HEH "ه" and ALEF "ا".
[12:12:57] <Bytram> so, in order to support (some) internationalized domain names, we need to allow ZWJ and ZWNJ
[12:13:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you mean as an oss project?
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[12:13:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i'm pretty sure soylentnews.org can get by without them
[12:14:38] <Bytram> yeah, I guess so... but it should be well-documented that this provides a security vulnerability to anyone who forks/uses the code.
[12:15:08] * chromas is also confusemented; someone around here has a rooster? In town? What an asshole
[12:15:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[12:15:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> gimme a minute to digest. having a shit time waking up
[12:15:42] * Bytram is trying to remember why we strip ZWJ and ZWNJ, anyway
[12:15:48] <Bytram> np
[12:15:54] <crutchy> cos they're evil
[12:16:00] <crutchy> EVIL!
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[12:16:12] <Bytram> evil is in the guise of the bee-holder?
[12:16:16] <chromas> Because zero-width stripping is sexy
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[12:16:35] * Bytram is trying to wake up, too.
[12:16:37] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:16:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 452
[12:16:41] * crutchy just prefers the honey
[12:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, i was almost done with that wall in minecraft
[12:17:17] <Bytram> lol
[12:18:05] <crutchy> mrcoolbp_ the ~suggest script is pretty much done. still appends to a section in the wiki sandbox though
[12:18:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i guess we don't strictly have to strip them but that's an admin setting in the db whether we do or not.
[12:19:30] <crutchy> Bytram, i've also been adding bits to http://wiki.soylentnews.org
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[12:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can put a bit in the README.utf8 after i understand it a bit better.
[12:20:14] <Bytram> it's been a while, but istr there *was* a reason for removing them, but I can't remember it atm
[12:20:52] <crutchy> wouldn't be part of the whole zero length js thingy?
[12:21:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you couldn't have idns with one in the middle masquerading as a normal english domain
[12:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> only security issue i can see
[12:21:40] <crutchy> using zwj as variable names etc
[12:22:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> not an issue. users don't get to pick variable names in any way.
[12:22:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd have to eval user supplied input for that to happen and you gotta be insane to do that.
[12:22:47] <crutchy> couldn't inject with a constructed/modified page?
[12:23:02] <crutchy> oky dokes :-)
[12:23:03] <mrcoolbp_> crutchy: cool, I'll play with it when I get home from work
[12:23:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, like in: soylent‍news.com ???
[12:23:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep cept character not entity
[12:23:37] <Bytram> nod nod; only way I could think of to type it here
[12:23:47] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I'm sending you an e-mail...
[12:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you could inject them in cgi variables but perl isn't fooled by zwj being invisible to humans and would just ignore them.
[12:24:37] <crutchy> cool
[12:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could however link to a malicious site with one in the name like Bytram did.
[12:26:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i'm feeling clickable usernames coming on.
[12:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> like @williamshatner or whatever on twitter cept without as many twits.
[12:27:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: not possible; nicks are limited to a selection of characters, right?
[12:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, possibly. no real reason they have to be though.
[12:27:50] <crutchy> i'm always reminded of the facebook js injection. lots of smart cookies out there with nothing better to do
[12:28:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:28:23] <Bytram> iirc, "[a-z][A-Z][0-9]_! " and maybe another couple or so characters - it's a white list of *permitted* characters.
[12:28:56] <Bytram> so, as far as I can see there'd be no problems with user nicks on SN
[12:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can try on your userinfo page. those values aren't really sanity checked beyond what all user text is.
[12:29:18] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:29:29] <Bytram> an idea...
[12:29:55] <Bytram> you know how one can set a preference to display the domain following any links in a story or comment?
[12:30:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[12:30:29] <Bytram> how hard would it be to indicate whenever a link contains a non-standard-ascii character?
[12:31:02] <crutchy> doesn't necessarily have to be a direct vector into slash either, could be a user tricked into clicking something that compromises their personal details
[12:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> not very at all. convert it to display. like a zwj mark becomes partone&zwj;parttwo
[12:32:12] <Bytram> oooooh! that was NOT what I was thinking... but it looks interesting...
[12:32:45] * mrcoolbp_ just got an email from Bytram
[12:32:52] <Bytram> for completeness' sake: partone‍parttwo
[12:32:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it would render as the domain name with unicode showing as entities
[12:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:33:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> the & would actually be & in the html though
[12:33:30] * Bytram dons devil's advocate cap
[12:33:34] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:33:42] <Bytram> so what potential problems would this cause?
[12:33:55] * crutchy doffs devil's advocates cap
[12:34:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> would annoy people with idns
[12:34:10] <Bytram> crutchy: hey! give that back!!!
[12:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me whilst i recoffee
[12:34:29] <crutchy> i doffed, not donned
[12:34:31] <crutchy> :-)
[12:34:46] <Bytram> maybe a separate toggle/flag?
[12:35:01] <Bytram> crutchy: oh, okay then. carry on good sir!
[12:35:36] <crutchy> lol. please continue your devil's advocacy... you can prolly come up with much juicier stuff than i ever could :-)
[12:35:54] <Bytram> np
[12:36:01] <Bytram> brb coffee
[12:36:04] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:36:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 453
[12:36:06] * crutchy doesn't even qualify as script-kiddie
[12:36:36] <crutchy> poor ar's losing the coffee war :-d
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[12:38:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, toggle flag for the devil's advocate cap?
[12:38:40] <crutchy> yes we need one of those
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[12:41:18] <Bytram> back
[12:41:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: LOL!!!
[12:42:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: further thought... you just KNOW someone's gonna submit a plausible story with a 'bad' url in it... need some kind of filter on incoming submissions, too
[12:42:46] <crutchy> Bytram, i call it 'testing' ;-)
[12:42:49] * Bytram envisions the jolleis of RickRolling an editor :/
[12:42:58] <Bytram> s/joll../jollies/
[12:42:59] <SedBot2> <Bytram> envisions the jolliess of RickRolling an editor :/
[12:43:08] <Bytram> ugh.
[12:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... good point. remind me after i get this IDN in comments issue written up.
[12:43:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:45:05] <Bytram> that's actually a special case of the general need for a filter that walks through all submitted links to check for 404's etc. and flags them for the editor to check before it can be approved.
[12:45:45] <Bytram> would be nice if it also followed any permanent redirects and got the destination, too.
[12:47:18] <mrcoolbp_> Bytram: did you look at cafepress? I think they accept other forms of payment (e.g. visa card)
[12:48:03] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: no, i did not. having only seen PayPal mentioned, I thought that was the *only* option atm
[12:50:13] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: btw, an idea on subscriptions... 'sell' a certificate that entitles the user to a one year subscription - provides a simple means of collecting and tracking subscriptions - and they'd get a collectible, too. =)
[12:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wrote a commit yesterday with more lines of comment than of code.
[12:50:36] * Bytram doesn't know if they could do that, but it sounds quite doable.
[12:50:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[12:50:39] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 27
[12:50:44] <Bytram> THAT's the way to do it!
[12:50:59] <crutchy> can't compile comments though
[12:51:05] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you just put the unicode in as U+xxxx into the html and you would not need to convert anything.
[12:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we need to go through and strip out all the comments so it compiles faster
[12:51:31] <crutchy> then you'll find out if the code is really maintainable :-p
[12:51:35] <Bytram> nah, strip out the code; that would *really* speed it up!
[12:51:39] <crutchy> lol
[12:51:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, lost me. where did we backtrack to exactly?
[12:52:18] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that was for the host name after a <a>
[12:52:54] <paulej72> instead of outputting the html entity
[12:53:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, people can put it in like that and spoof domains, so we kinda need to convert it for the users so they know it's not just a letter that looks like ascii or an invisible mark.
[12:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least in the display to the right of the links
[12:53:58] <Bytram> paulej72: so like: <a href="soylent‍news.com">soylentnews.com</a> [soylentU+200Dnews.com] ???
[12:54:09] <paulej72> yes
[12:54:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i see what you're saying
[12:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, roger
[12:54:26] * Bytram thinks
[12:55:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> would save on multiple layers of & escaping.
[12:55:10] <crutchy> that wouldn't pass login cookie though would it? most browsers prevent that kind of thing
[12:55:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: those get *mighty* interesting if you're not careful! &&&&;;; =)
[12:56:10] <paulej72> crutchy: not it would not, but how many times have you had to re login because of netowrk or server issues.
[12:56:24] <chromas> Replace them with 💩
[12:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> our cookies are so secure even we don't always see them
[12:56:32] <Bytram> I'm thinking, though, that we DO NOT want to support a user entering that into a submission/comment/whatever field
[12:57:18] <paulej72> Bytram: some real urls contain unicode now. ICANN has allowed that for at least a year or more.
[12:58:03] <crutchy> paulej72 not often. just trying to think of what browser settings might be. a lot of people might use private browsing mode and just login to reply to a comment or something. not sure really just throwing stuff out there
[12:58:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, we need to have that sub run on all links in articles and displayed whether the editor has a setting on or not
[12:58:16] <Bytram> yuppers, hence this discussion... scroll back about 47 minutes.
[12:58:20] <paulej72> so we do not want to srtip it just show that the url is has unicode
[12:58:55] <Bytram> paulej72: see: https://www.nic.ir
[12:58:57] <Bytram> paulej72: nod nod
[12:59:34] * TheMightyBuzzard writes up a second issue for that
[12:59:43] * Bytram is checking on potential ‏ and ‎ issues, too.
[13:00:09] <crutchy> we need a 'khyber hat' :-d
[13:00:14] * Bytram notes that we strip those two characters atm, too.
[13:01:02] * chromas wonders what rooster meat tastes like
[13:02:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> we strip them from comments, not submissions i don't believe.
[13:02:22] * Bytram is reading: http://mzsanford.com
[13:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> scratch that. i've already tested them in submissions and they're stripped.
[13:02:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee is failing me today.
[13:02:58] <paulej72> chromas: tastes like tough chicken
[13:03:02] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:03:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 454
[13:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:03:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 455
[13:03:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yup... see: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:03:09] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03334.418ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/nl4nast 14 )[0]: 03utf8 test - HTML special - in a story submission - HTML formatted: Dev.SN Submission
[13:03:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: there's 6 stories in the submission queue on dev.sn.org... wanna look at 'em before I push them out to the main page?
[13:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, are 20 in the submissions queue. which six you talking about?
[13:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> the utf8 test ones?
[13:05:00] <Bytram> the newest ones; all the ones I submitted this morning
[13:05:03] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, go for it. no test like a real test.
[13:05:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: my thoughts are that this is a test point in seeing what they look like *before* they go to the main page.
[13:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[13:06:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, lemme look
[13:06:23] <Bytram> hrmmmm, I *suppose* I could so a save as ... html complete on each of them. doh!
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[13:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah, someone was wanting sub and super tags a while back for comments. personally i like the idea.
[13:08:10] <LaminatorX> I'd dig it. Huzza for exponents and footnotes!
[13:08:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's just a db change so it can hit live today if we really, really want it to.
[13:08:45] <Bytram> I like!
[13:08:52] <crutchy> and fancy equations... can we have × as well?
[13:08:59] <Bytram> also, would like to be able to use: <ins>...</ins> and <del>...</del>
[13:09:23] <Bytram> crutchy: all(*) the named character entities will be supported with utf8
[13:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, why the doubling of each post?
[13:09:49] <LaminatorX> I only see each of his posts once.
[13:09:56] <Bytram> submitted with 'Plain Old Text' in one case, 'HTML Formatted' with the other; just for completeness' sake
[13:10:00] * LaminatorX is using the web client at the moment.
[13:10:19] <Bytram> LaminatorX: we're talking about stories in the submission queue on dev.soylentnews.org
[13:10:29] <LaminatorX> Ah, sorry.
[13:10:34] <Bytram> np!
[13:10:43] <Bytram> btw...
[13:10:46] <Bytram> LaminatorX++
[13:10:46] <Bender> karma - laminatorx: 6
[13:10:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:10:49] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 28
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[13:10:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, roger doger
[13:11:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> skimmed. saw no errors. marks that're supposed to be fffd are fffd
[13:11:23] <Bytram> I don't *think* there should be any difference... but, I'm not *certain*
[13:11:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Killing the Dream of Local High-Speed Fiber Internet - http://sylnt.us - you-get-who-you-voted-for
[13:11:49] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03776.533ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/qjkg5kx 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Killing the Dream of Local High-Speed Fiber Internet
[13:12:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose we should get the two IDN bugs squashed before 14.08.01, otherwise we're going to have to be very careful with submitted stories.
[13:13:31] * Bytram just finished saving each of the six submissions to local files with 'Save As...' > 'Web Page, complete' to %soylent%\UTF-8\CharacterEntities\HTML4.0\Submissions\20140724a\*.html
[13:13:50] <chromas> From the internet-needs-a-laxative dept
[13:13:52] <LaminatorX> diff'em!
[13:14:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> .0-9a-zA-Z should cover valid ascii domain names, no?
[13:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, needs dash too
[13:15:06] * TheMightyBuzzard will just bloody well look it up
[13:15:48] <LaminatorX> http://tools.ietf.org
[13:15:56] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 037.704sec.14)[0]: 03RFC 1035 - Domain names - implementation and specification
[13:15:59] <Bytram> LaminatorX++
[13:15:59] <Bender> karma - laminatorx: 7
[13:16:35] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders cheating and using Regexp::Common
[13:18:00] <Bytram> brb
[13:18:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: http://tools.ietf.org
[13:18:32] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03438.807ms.14)[0]: 03RFC 3986 - Uniform Resource Identifier (URI): Generic Syntax
[13:19:19] <Bytram> hmm, http://search.cpan.org
[13:19:21] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03809.66ms.14)[1]: 03URI - search.cpan.org
[13:19:25] <Bytram> ok gtg brb
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[13:23:10] <Bytram> back
[13:23:30] <Bytram> no joy with diffs, entirely different formats. :/ but I have an idea...
[13:24:33] <paulej72> LaminatorX: we have new topic icons on dev that you may want to check out; https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:25:50] * Bytram just resaved all 6 utf8 test submissions as HTML only...
[13:27:27] <Bytram> hrmm, tried his htdiff.bat utility on Latin1... no joy
[13:27:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it was -\.a-zA-Z0-9
[13:28:06] <LaminatorX> Very nice, I especially like the d20 for /dev/random
[13:28:31] <mrcoolbp_> bytram: paypal itself should support manual visa card entry
[13:28:53] <mrcoolbp_> LaminatorX: yeah paulej72 hooked that up
[13:29:07] <mrcoolbp_> the rest were by a volunteer
[13:29:15] <mrcoolbp_> well most of them = )
[13:29:42] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: nod nod, but I'd rather not deal with 'em if I can avoid it... personal preference atm
[13:30:04] <LaminatorX> Digital Liberty is pretty choice too. (As an aside, I have for years imagined that Ed Felton looks like the guy from the YRO icon on /.)
[13:33:17] <mrcoolbp_> Bytram: okay, but you mentioned buying a gift card and using that, wouldn't that work? Is it a moral objection or something?
[13:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we probably need to just manual diff them
[13:33:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yah, but I'm stubborn!
[13:33:40] <mrcoolbp_> LaminatorX: thank rand for that one
[13:34:16] <LaminatorX> PayPal's bad practices are well documented, but I'm glad we have a working solution to begin with. I'd hate to be falling farther into the red each month while we wait for a more ideal solution to be written, tested, etc..
[13:34:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, can't trust slashcode not to rearrange html n insert newlines and such.
[13:34:38] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: can't really 'splain it. I'm just against putting stuff out on the net unless I *have* to, if I can deal direct with CafePress w/o PayPal, all the better.
[13:34:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[13:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, i'm generally a cash only guy. if i have to do online shopping, prepaid card from wal-mart.
[13:36:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[13:36:09] <mrcoolbp_> Bytram: when I get a chance I'll respond to your email proper, at work now
[13:36:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've written billing software and i've done security work. i know exactly what can go wrong.
[13:37:04] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: much appreciated! It's not critical, just a personal preference that, if it could be accomodated, would be MUCH appreciated. And, given our community, I suspect I'm not the only one.
[13:37:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[13:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus everyone neglects the least secure part of using your *Card at public places, the teenager ringing you up.
[13:37:52] * Bytram has tested major customer-facing progs and data warehouses; it's scary what they save and what they can join together!
[13:38:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, there's more possible chars in a url: '&' and '?' for arguments to a cgi, for example
[13:38:46] * Bytram is reading http://tools.ietf.org
[13:39:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, only validating the domain name. they can use whatever the hell they want after the / as far as i'm concerned.
[13:39:18] <Bytram> oh. oops. nod nod, me starts re-reading!
[13:39:26] <LaminatorX> RE security: I was shocked upon my arrival in the broadcasting industry to discover that we were routinely logging on to an ad-insertion system as root over telnet. When I brought this to the attention of the NOC manager, he explained that every single one of those machines across the entire industry had the exact same, and unchanging, root password.
[13:39:44] <Bytram> LaminatorX: YIKES!
[13:40:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> LaminatorX, awesome. that would have been a badass find in my younger and less law-abiding days.
[13:40:52] <LaminatorX> We keep our corralled in a private IP range, but still.
[13:41:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, nat traversal isn't that difficult
[13:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> assuming the firewall is as bad as the other security anyway.
[13:42:20] <LaminatorX> Decently configures SonicBlues, thankfully.
[13:43:12] <LaminatorX> s/configures/condifured
[13:43:12] * SedBot2 hurls a / at LuminutyrX!
[13:43:35] * LaminatorX hangs his head in shame.
[13:47:12] <LaminatorX> What really amazes me is how much of this stuff is still using protocols and formats that were feveloped when an inserter was a 386 receiving schedule files via modem controllin a bank of VCRs via GPIB cards.
[13:47:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[13:48:08] <Bytram> LaminatorX: that could have been... *interesting*
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[13:49:43] * Bytram remembers when the Wang Computer Corporation towers in MA had all their lights controlled by dialling a certain number and entering a zone code to toggle the lights in that zone on or off. too bad it was before cell phones became affordable... tetris, anyone?
[13:49:50] <paulej72> LaminatorX: if it aint broke don’t fix it :)
[13:50:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, just realized i never had a 16bit cpu
[13:51:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> 80386 was the first PC processor i ever used. no idea on the non-PC ones and too lazy to check.
[13:51:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I just checked http://tools.ietf.org ... gonna paste here for posterity.
[13:51:22] <Bytram> The following syntax will result in fewer problems with many
[13:51:22] <Bytram> applications that use domain names (e.g., mail, TELNET).
[13:51:22] <Bytram> <domain> ::= <subdomain> | " "
[13:51:22] <Bytram> <subdomain> ::= <label> | <subdomain> "." <label>
[13:51:23] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 031.679sec.14)[0]: 03RFC 1034 - Domain names - concepts and facilities
[13:51:25] <Bytram> <label> ::= <letter> [ [ <ldh-str> ] <let-dig> ]
[13:51:27] <Bytram> <ldh-str> ::= <let-dig-hyp> | <let-dig-hyp> <ldh-str>
[13:51:29] <Bytram> <let-dig-hyp> ::= <let-dig> | "-"
[13:51:31] <Bytram> <let-dig> ::= <letter> | <digit>
[13:51:33] <Bytram> <letter> ::= any one of the 52 alphabetic characters A through Z in
[13:51:35] <Bytram> upper case and a through z in lower case
[13:51:37] <Bytram> <digit> ::= any one of the ten digits 0 through 9
[13:51:39] <LaminatorX> Why can there onle be 359 zones on a single domain? Because the schedule file entries have one numeral and one alphanumeric character for the zoneID.
[13:51:39] <Bytram> Note that while upper and lower case letters are allowed in domain
[13:51:41] <Bytram> names, no significance is attached to the case. That is, two names with
[13:51:43] <Bytram> the same spelling but different case are to be treated as if identical.
[13:51:45] <Bytram> The labels must follow the rules for ARPANET host names. They must
[13:51:47] <Bytram> start with a letter, end with a letter or digit, and have as interior
[13:51:49] <Bytram> characters only letters, digits, and hyphen. There are also some
[13:51:51] <Bytram> restrictions on the length. Labels must be 63 characters or less.
[13:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nod nod. so [^-\.a-zA-Z0-9] will match anything that needs noticing.
[13:53:32] <paulej72> LaminatorX: that should give you 360 unless one is reserved for the host
[13:53:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: looks like [\.-a-z0-9] would cover the charset allowed, BUT...
[13:53:45] <Bytram> there's also percent encoding of ascii chars
[13:54:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> that even allowed in the domain name?
[13:54:25] <Bytram> e.g. soyl%69ntnews.org
[13:54:29] <Bytram> yup!
[13:55:08] <Bytram> well, I think so from what I read... let's try it. brb
[13:55:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[13:55:26] <paulej72> so throw a % into the regex
[13:55:53] <Bytram> well, FF just gave me:
[13:55:53] <Bytram> Server not found
[13:55:54] <Bytram> Firefox can't find the server at soyl%69ntnews.org.
[13:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i think anyone escaping ascii in a domain name needs a good kicking
[13:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> %69==i
[13:56:46] <Bytram> hmmm? % indicates *decimal* encoding
[13:56:49] <LaminatorX> Zero is indeed reserved for the root zone, paulej72.
[13:57:43] * Bytram hangs HIS head... % is hex encoding
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[13:58:12] * Bytram tries: http://soyl%45ntnews.org.
[13:58:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, whatcha think? any reason we should allow % encoding in a domain name or do we call shenanigans on account of them being a wiseass?
[13:58:36] <Bytram> that worked!
[13:58:38] <LaminatorX> I tried soyl%69ntnews.org in my browser. It resolved to an "i" in the address bar, but still tried to find "soyl%69ntnews.org" in DNS, which failed.
[13:59:15] <Bytram> LaminatorX: that was my bad... % indicates *hex* encoding, NOT decimal. :(
[13:59:20] <paulej72> the second one worked for me %45 is ok
[14:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and, equally as important, would 09 be another way of saying 69 with a fat chick?
[14:00:28] <Bytram> paulej72: I was using FireFox 24.7.0 (ESR)... you??
[14:00:50] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am not sure. I think if it resolves to a known domain it should be OK. Someone may have a domain like loves%69.com.
[14:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> lovesi.com?
[14:01:12] <paulej72> safari on 10.9
[14:01:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm...
[14:01:29] <Bytram> !woop
[14:01:29] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:01:50] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that is how he would reagiseter it but he would write it like i did. Porn site
[14:02:03] <Bytram> %m%\htdiff Latin1_POT.html Latin1_HO.html > latin1_diff.POT_HO.html
[14:02:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if it would even stay encoded through our stuff.
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[14:02:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> but okay, i can add %
[14:02:33] <LaminatorX> Still resolving in the address bar, but choking at DNS. FF31.
[14:02:35] <Bytram> only differences shown were the page headers/footers... character entities came through identical!
[14:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> outstanding
[14:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[14:03:18] <Bytram> btw, domain names can also be entered in a url as numbers like in dotted octets
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[14:03:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, covered by 0-9 n \.
[14:04:07] <Bytram> so, if I got this right: http://198.58.121.23:80
[14:04:07] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03174.04ms.14)[0]: 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[14:04:13] <Bytram> ding!
[14:04:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ewww, gotta add a colon too
[14:04:31] <Bytram> colons, too with IPv6...
[14:04:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[14:04:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fuck me. ipv6...
[14:04:59] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[14:05:16] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:05:47] <LaminatorX> I know we run our own DNS here at the office (lots of internal hosts). I wonder if that's refusing to parse the hex.
[14:05:48] <Bytram> more fun: http://tools.ietf.org
[14:05:48] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03407.831ms.14)[0]: 03RFC 3986 - Uniform Resource Identifier (URI): Generic Syntax
[14:06:06] <Bytram> here it comes
[14:06:08] <Bytram> The following example URIs illustrate several URI schemes and
[14:06:08] <Bytram> variations in their common syntax components:
[14:06:08] <Bytram> ftp://ftp.is.co.za
[14:06:08] <Bytram> http://www.ietf.org
[14:06:08] <Bytram> ldap://[2001:db8::7]
[14:06:08] <Bytram> mailto:John.Doe@example.com
[14:06:09] <ciri> 14Title(03 defines 14/ 03140.36ms.14)[0]: 03No title Size: 0325.101Kb14.
[14:06:10] <Bytram> news:comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
[14:06:12] <Bytram> tel:+1-816-555-1212
[14:06:14] <Bytram> telnet://192.0.2.16:80
[14:06:16] <Bytram> urn:oasis:names:specification:docbook:dtd:xml:4.1.2
[14:06:26] <Bytram> note: that is for different *SCHEME*s
[14:06:43] <Bytram> we are only concerned with, I think, HTTP and maybe FTP
[14:07:02] <Bytram> although we should prolly support MAILTO also
[14:07:06] <Bytram> oh...
[14:07:08] <Bytram> ugh.
[14:07:10] <Bytram> blegh.
[14:07:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: we can't be the first trying to sort this out... there's gotta be a package or something out there that would do the validation for us?
[14:08:46] <LaminatorX> I wrote a MAILTO validator once, python though.
[14:09:41] <Bytram> atm we are concerned with extracting the 'domain name' from a url for validation/presentation to the user to flag when it contains 'non-stanard' ascii chars (e.g. utf-8 encoded chars)
[14:10:28] * Bytram takes a quick break to verify the other utf test docs he created... back in a bit.
[14:12:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, there is but i'd rather reinvent the wheel if it's a small wheel than pull in another external dependency
[14:12:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod. i was thinking that we might be able to borrow the code from their implementation?
[14:13:22] <LaminatorX> Python made that easy, str.isalnum() does perl have similar?
[14:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. it's not terribly complicated and i think we have everything but the regex done already for displaying the domain out to the side.
[14:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> LaminatorX, not stock but ^^
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[14:16:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, it's well into being awake time. i need to either fire up the vm or get busy on other stuff.
[14:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> now... where is that bit of code...
[14:19:46] <LaminatorX> My takeaway from all this is that it's very scary that Firefox will display one thing in the address bar while resolving something else through DNS. Probablt harmless in this instance as % isn't allowed in hostnames, but I could see some capital-I:lowercase-L shenanigans via hex values in links.
[14:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait till you get into what all you can do with unicode
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[14:21:58] <LaminatorX> Oh I've seen the games with omicrons and such, yes.
[14:22:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod!!!
[14:23:47] <Bytram> except for white space differences, it looks like the math, greek, and symbol character entities were equivalent between Plain Old Text and HTML only
[14:24:06] * Bytram goes on to check HTML special chars
[14:24:14] <LaminatorX> Speaking of which, "soyIentnews.org" is available for registration.
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[14:28:10] <Bytram> fun with cyrillic: sＯylentnews.Ｏrg
[14:30:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Aluminium Composite Created - http://sylnt.us - bicycles-and-smartphones
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[14:31:15] <LaminatorX> I don't think the cyrillic in the TLD would work, thankfully.
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[14:38:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: How 'bout an entirely different approach? if the *domain name* contains any character outside of [-0-9a-zA-Z-:%\.] just put out a [DANGER] after the URL?
[14:38:55] <Bytram> KISS
[14:39:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> this idea does not offend my sensibilities.
[14:39:55] <Bytram> then, when we have a bit more time, or if there are pressing issues, or whatevah, we can look at: http://www.unicode.org
[14:39:56] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03218.021ms.14)[0]: 03UTS #39: Unicode Security Mechanisms
[14:41:22] * TheMightyBuzzard is not having an easy time getting his brain to spit out the logic
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[14:43:56] <Bytram> pseudo code; (may be an easier way): foo = domain_name; gsub("[-0-9a-zA-Z-:%\.]", "", foo); if (foo != "") "[danger]"
[14:44:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^
[14:44:38] <Bytram> make a copy of the domain name, delete all permissible characters, if anything is left over,then it contains a non-permissible character -- flag it.
[14:44:48] <Bytram> maybe output it, too
[14:44:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, got that just working it into slash is another story entirely. where and when and how.
[14:45:06] <Bytram> ugh. nod nod
[14:45:41] <Bytram> where it does the check for whether or not they want the domain name displayed? Ignore *that* flag and just check for valid chars anyway. ??
[14:45:50] <Bytram> idk
[14:47:31] <paulej72> mrcoolbp_: did you ever get the favicon files from frogblast?
[14:53:02] * Bytram makes a note for future reference:
[14:53:04] <Bytram> 7 Data Files
[14:53:05] <Bytram> The following files provide data used to implement the recommendations in this document. The data may be refined in future versions of this specification. For more information, see Section 2.9.1, Backward Compatibility of [UTR36].
[14:53:05] <Bytram> The Unicode Consortium welcomes feedback on additional confusables or identifier restrictions. There are online forms at [Feedback] where you can suggest additional characters or corrections.
[14:53:05] <Bytram> The files are in http://www.unicode.org The directories there contain data files associated with a given version. The directory for this version is:
[14:53:06] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03236.147ms.14)[0]: 03Index of /Public/security
[14:53:07] <Bytram> http://www.unicode.org
[14:53:09] <Bytram> The data files for the latest approved version are also in the directory:
[14:53:11] <Bytram> http://www.unicode.org
[14:53:12] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03213.623ms.14)[1]: 03Index of /Public/security/latest
[14:53:16] <Bytram> taken from: http://www.unicode.org
[14:53:16] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03212.655ms.14)[0]: 03UTS #39: Unicode Security Mechanisms
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[14:57:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Test Summary: As for testing utf-8 support with all named character entities appearing in the HTML 4.0 specification, except for white space differences on display, it appears that there was no difference in the results when submitting a story using 'Plain Old Text' vs 'HTML only' when using: Latin1 characters; Math, Greek, and Symbol characters, and HTML Special characters.
[14:57:17] <Bytram> iow submissions looks good.
[14:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> tl;dr we rock
[14:58:03] <Bytram> with the observation that we strip: ‎ ‏ ‍ and ‌
[14:58:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually convert them to U+fffd
[14:58:31] <Bytram> nod nod!
[14:59:50] <Bytram> that still leaves what happens when they appear as a story on the main page, when the same text is submitted as a comment to a story, submitted as a journal article, journal article comment, appear in user info's sig field, ...
[15:00:12] <Bytram> oooh... user-entered contact info: email addy or URL... =)
[15:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they can enter what they like in there for all i care.
[15:00:48] <Bytram> let 'em find goats?
[15:00:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[15:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> comments use the same subs and journals ARE articles for all intents and purposes.
[15:01:24] <Bytram> so you SAY ;)
[15:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free to test away. i've already tested to my contentment.
[15:02:20] <Bytram> so, iow, we are performing NO validation on *anything* appearing at: http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:21] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03315.391ms.14)[0]: 03Log In
[15:02:56] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod on the test away bit, was just joshing you a bit.
[15:04:33] <janrinok> if they insert a link to goats in a submission - it will be found and stripped anyway
[15:04:38] <Bytram> hmmm, just noticed this place, too: 'Customize Slashboxes' -- 'User Space' but that only displays to the user who entered it (iirc) so not a problem.
[15:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially, yes. you can have your real name be the poo glyph if you like.
[15:05:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:07:26] <Bytram> !uid
[15:07:26] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4572, owned by unzombied
[15:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, today is not a good regex day
[15:08:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> took me like 15m to get that one right
[15:09:52] <Bytram> ugh. some days are like that.
[15:09:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:09:57] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 29
[15:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, we're currently stripping unicode out of links entirely.
[15:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> in both submissions and comments
[15:17:04] <Bytram> huh!??!!!
[15:17:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, dunno why. have to trace it down.
[15:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually i'm okay with that behavior for unicode's first go-live.
[15:18:57] <Bytram> ummm, watch out... what system vars do we have set?
[15:19:05] <Bytram> isnt there some draconian thing?
[15:19:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, not used anymore.
[15:19:19] <Bytram> jst checking
[15:20:13] <Bytram> there should be a notice of some sort on the submissions/journal page to that effect.
[15:20:24] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: I can email him, I don't have those
[15:21:13] * Bytram is downloading all the files at: http://www.unicode.org
[15:21:35] <Bytram> [TXT] ReadMe.txt 13-Jul-2014 10:07 168
[15:21:35] <Bytram> [TXT] confusables.txt 13-Jul-2014 10:06 2.2M
[15:21:35] <Bytram> [TXT] confusablesSummary.txt 13-Jul-2014 10:07 656K
[15:21:36] <Bytram> [TXT] confusablesWholeScript.txt 13-Jul-2014 10:07 166K
[15:21:36] <Bytram> [TXT] intentional.txt 13-Jul-2014 10:07 6.3K
[15:21:36] <Bytram> [TXT] xidmodifications.txt 13-Jul-2014 10:07 147K
[15:21:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, Yeah, probably.
[15:22:34] <Bytram> I'd prefer that we *say* we're gonna purge 'em, but we don't, compared to saying nothing and changing things on 'em.
[15:22:58] <Bytram> thinking ahead to when/if we continue refining it in the future
[15:23:22] <Bytram> ok, I gtg get ready for the day... will keep window open til I leave
[15:23:32] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Good Luck!
[15:23:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:23:34] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 30
[15:26:29] <mrcoolbp_> !todo email frogblast for favicons
[15:26:29] <Bender> todo item 13 added
[15:28:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> well if they weren't already getting stripped, they'd be labeled with [DANGER] for the moment. I'll have to write a sub to do them up properly later.
[15:41:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Going to San Diego Comic-Con? Put On Your Mask for the Surveillance Camera Network - http://sylnt.us - can-you-buy-SN-masks-from-the-swag?
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[16:09:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod; question: are you implementing this as strictly in-line code, or is it abstracted to a function or something like it that you could re-use elsewhere?
[16:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to try to abstract anything useful
[16:10:19] <Bytram> wonderful!
[16:10:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[16:10:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 31
[16:10:40] <Bytram> I *like* how you think things through.
[16:11:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> having a hell of a time finding out what's stripping the stuff out though.
[16:11:17] * Bytram remembers the page-widening trolls of the early /, days...
[16:11:49] <Bytram> yuppers... there should be a toggle you could hit which would log every entrance/exit to a function or method
[16:12:34] <Bytram> well, I'm not saying there *is* one, just that such a thing would be *really nice* if existed.
[16:13:08] * Bytram wonders if there is some command-line switch to perl which would do that?
[16:15:52] <Bytram> fwiw these debugging flags might help? perl -d and perl -D
[16:16:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't run this nonsense from command line. have to print debug info to the error log and watch it
[16:18:25] <Bytram> ugh.
[16:19:47] <Bytram> pretty much every dos batch program I write starts with two commands: (1) @IF "%echo%"=="" SET echo=OFF (2) @ECHO %echo%
[16:20:05] <Bytram> then, if I want to gget a trace of who's calling whom, I just: SET echo=ON
[16:20:25] <Bytram> is ugly, but it works most of the time
[16:21:40] <Bytram> same trick works for setting env var 'equivalences' for SET (to clean up env vars at end of program); DEL (to toggle whether or not I clean temp files); START (for whether or not I want to autmatically launch a generated program)
[16:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> would take up WAY too much space in slash to do that everywhere, so we just debug what we have to. slowly.
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[16:28:37] <Bytram> yeah, I feared something like that would be the case.
[16:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> just short circuited 130 lines of code and am seriously considering removing them entirely.
[16:32:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: interesting! would suggest doing that as part of a separate commit
[16:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> most likely. right now it's just debugging.
[16:32:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:33:08] * Bytram is building up some pretty strong neck muscles!
[16:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, looks like it was primarily fudgeurl that was fucking everything up.
[16:36:39] * Bytram likes chocolate fudge!
[16:37:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: where was it called from?
[16:37:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of places
[16:37:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> rephrase: whole lot of places
[16:38:01] <Bytram> blegh. that could make things... interesting. oh. in that case... *very* interesting!
[16:38:05] <Bytram> :/
[16:38:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now the whole function basically boils down to {return shift;}
[16:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a function designed to unfuck urls supplied by users. hand holding.
[16:39:02] <Bytram> not up on my perl... what's that mean in english?
[16:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> means give back exactly what was passed to you. do nothing at all with it.
[16:39:48] <Bytram> LOL! that sounds like a whole lot of nuthin'
[16:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that was my little addition to speeding the site up in general and making it not strip unicode/ipv6 out of urls.
[16:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> or wipe the asses of users who can't be bothered to write a properly formatted url.
[16:42:37] <Bytram> So, the thinking now is, that we allow crap to come through, but flag it when we notice it.
[16:43:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking if they can't type a url in properly, fuck em.
[16:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is NOT the site for them.
[16:44:24] <Bytram> it may not be that they can't... but they are intentionally trying to goat or rickroll someone else?
[16:47:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, fudgeurl does things like... well have a look at the comments: https://github.com
[16:48:06] <Bytram> on my way
[16:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm all about preventing known exploits until the browser makers can fix them but they don't need to be a permanent part of our code and we really do not need to hold the hands of users to make sure their links go somewhere.
[16:54:20] <Bytram> but what about the users who are intentionally trying to 'hack' us w/ goats and things for other users to hit?
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[16:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> those're filtered out by a regex in the db
[16:55:16] <Bytram> on retrieve?
[16:55:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> on submit
[16:55:39] <Bytram> hmmm
[16:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> try posting a link with goatse in it
[16:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is something different
[16:56:17] <Bytram> oh, there's like 4 or so hard-coded *specific* urls that we look for and strip... right?
[16:56:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:56:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they're regexs in the db
[16:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> so we can add to and remove em quickly
[16:56:52] * Bytram is turning into a bobblehead =)
[16:57:00] <Bytram> orly? huh!
[16:57:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: oh, ok.
[16:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is for someone putting like a zillion space characters in a url as %20
[16:58:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:58:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> browsers by in large handle everything this function does themselves now.
[16:59:13] <Bytram> hmmm, themes/slashcode/sql/mysql/datadump.sql
[16:59:49] * Bytram takes a saddened look at his revered Lynx browser
[17:00:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Congressmen Take Minimum Wage Challenge To Live Off Reduced Budget For A Week - http://sylnt.us - I-wonder-if-they-will-remember-this-time-next-week
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[17:01:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I see what you are getting at. I'm a bit nervous about dropping it entirely -- we've got some, umm, crafty users. Is this something that could be *easily* toggled back on?
[17:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we wanted it to, yeah
[17:03:34] <Bytram> maybe add a systemvar (or whatever its called) that toggles 'fudgeurl' on/off ... like we have under config > vars > select var
[17:04:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> put a variable in the vars table name of fudge and "return shift unless getCurrentStatic("fudge");"
[17:05:04] <Bytram> i'm just thinking that the moment we put this out there, and there's nobody with any privs (e.g. I couldn't change the var on the live site), you can bet someone will trigger it. =-P
[17:05:09] <Bytram> that's the idea, yes.
[17:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> really need pj and nc to have a look and see what they think. i bloody hate the thing.
[17:05:27] <Bytram> hate the function or the vars
[17:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> the function
[17:05:38] <Bytram> k
[17:05:56] <Bytram> nc is heading to germany tomorrow, so he's kind of unavailable
[17:06:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought it was russia
[17:06:16] <Bytram> at least, that was the last I'd heard.
[17:06:21] <Bytram> ~weather anchorage
[17:06:29] <exec> weather for 10Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-24 14:47:00 (UTC) ~ 2.3 hrs ago:
[17:06:29] <exec> temp: 1057°F (13.9°C), dp: 1049.9°F (9.9°C), press: 101009.7 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1076%, wind: 100 mph (0 km/h) @ 1015°
[17:07:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[17:07:05] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-24 14:55:00 (UTC) ~ 2.2 hrs ago:
[17:07:06] <exec> temp: 1077°F (25°C), dp: 1069.8°F (21°C), press: 101019.3 mb (0 mb over 1.3 hrs), humid: 1078%, wind: 105 mph (8 km/h) @ 10100°
[17:07:11] * Bytram goes to get some food
[17:19:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmmm, I see what you are getting at, but there's enough stuff in there that I would not advoate deleting it straight out.
[17:19:09] <Bytram> suggestion for the time being
[17:19:25] <Bytram> log what comes in and what gets returned for a while.
[17:20:25] <Bytram> I'm seing checks in there for 'script' and other things that they learned, the hard way, to write code to block out.
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[17:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> decided to just not screw with it for now. won't kill us to live without ipv6 and IDN links for the time being.
[17:24:41] <Bytram> that makes sense to me.
[17:25:00] <Bytram> let's keep the number of changes manageable so any problems are relatively isolated
[17:25:46] <Bytram> but, I do like the idea of logging what comes in and what comes out of fudgeurl -- let's look at real data instead of theory
[17:30:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna make for some big logs but shrug
[17:33:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I can't imagine it would be THAT large; we've only got about 70K comments and maybe 2k stories? even at 10 URLs each, that doesn't seem like much to me. and that's everything over the past nearly 6 months.
[17:33:14] <Bytram> what am I missing?
[17:34:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing especially
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[17:41:48] <blackmoore|afk> is the plan still to move away from mysql?
[17:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> not any time soon
[17:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i suppose we could if NC got a bug up his butt about it but probably not this year.
[17:46:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm personally more interested in seeing metamoderation get working
[18:21:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA To Test Free-Flying Housekeeper Robots - http://sylnt.us - smart-balls-in-the-halls
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[18:27:53] <LaminatorX|afk> "Smart Balls" jokes are left as an exercise to the reader.
[18:27:57] <TK> ~weather ORD
[18:28:01] <exec> weather for 10Chicago, IL US at 2014-07-24 17:59:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[18:28:01] <exec> temp: 1072°F (22.2°C), dp: 1052.3°F (11.3°C), press: 101025.2 mb (-0.2 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1050%, wind: 101 mph (1.6 km/h) @ 10238°
[18:28:11] <TK> that's biking weather
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[18:38:58] * Bytram was wondering if *anyone* looked at the 'dept' on each story
[18:47:04] <Woods> Bytram: I work hard on those, _I_ look at them.
[18:47:40] <Bytram> that's good to know. I just wonder how many other, non-editors, notice?
[18:47:53] <crutchy> mee too. i don't read tfa most the time. dept = honest no bs appraisal
[18:48:03] <Bytram> I sometimes have ideas leap to mind, othertimes I have nothin' :(
[18:48:31] <Woods> Honestly, coming up with department names is the toughest part of the job.
[18:49:39] <LaminatorX> A clever one is such gold though.
[18:51:36] <Woods> I should post a journal with my favorite department names.
[18:52:29] <Bytram> hmmmm, should be a way to extract the story title and the story dept from the database...
[18:52:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> lingerie, hands down
[18:54:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> select dept from stories;
[18:57:42] <Bytram> okay, and where is the story title kept?
[18:58:08] <Bytram> select dept, title from stories order by story_id; (??)
[18:58:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> select title from story_text;
[18:58:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> different tables
[18:58:57] <Bytram> k
[18:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy to match em up again in perl. probably can even be done by a join statement
[18:59:26] <paulej72> new favicons on the dev site. The new ones have transparency.
[19:00:10] <Bytram> select stories.dept, story_text.title from stories, story_text where stories.storyid = story_text.storyid order by storyd;
[19:00:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> did the old ones not?
[19:00:37] * Bytram assuming the key is 'storyid' and exists in both tables.
[19:00:50] <blackmoore|afk> I notice
[19:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, if you say so. my sqlfu is not that strong
[19:01:45] <Bytram> takes me several minutes to fire up putty, kinit, ssh, mysql, etc, but if those are the keys, that's the general id of how to do it.
[19:02:02] <paulej72> bytram I think you may need a join, but I am not a mysql guru
[19:03:00] <Bytram> I would think the where clause would handled that... but, it's been quite a few years, so I *could* bemistaken.
[19:03:37] <Bytram> describe story_test; describe stories; <-- with that I could give you the exact expression, assuming my sqlfu is up to par.
[19:04:34] <Bytram> oooops... sorry folks! My utf-8 testing just made home page on dev.soylentnews.org, umm, miserably long.
[19:04:50] <Bytram> bytram--
[19:04:50] <Bender> karma - bytram: 12
[19:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> for shame
[19:05:49] <Bytram> well, it *did* have to get done at some point.
[19:06:02] <paulej72> Bytram: select stories.dept, story_text.title from stories, story_text where stories.stoid = story_text.stoid order by stories.stoid;
[19:06:35] <paulej72> tested on dev
[19:07:09] <Bytram> ha! wasn't too far off... not bad for guessing at the keynames and syntax!
[19:10:13] <Bytram> paulej72: thanks for checking that for me/us!
[19:10:16] <Bytram> paulej72++
[19:10:16] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 43
[19:10:31] <Bytram> oops, now I made him forget everything again!
[19:10:35] <Bytram> paulej72--
[19:10:35] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 42
[19:11:02] <Bytram> ahh, life, the universe and everything is now known again.
[19:13:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus he can tell you what you get when you multiply six by seven (or sometimes nine)
[19:14:09] <Bytram> lol! but only if you're off 'base' =)
[19:14:24] <Bytram> hmmm, this should make our lives easier: http://www.forbes.com
[19:14:28] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03531.948ms. 14/ 12http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdooley/2014/07/24/never-redesign/ 14 )[0]: 03Never Redesign Your Website Again - Really! - Forbes
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[19:17:47] <Bytram> ~weather Boston
[19:17:50] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 2014-07-24 18:58:00 (UTC) ~ 0.3 hrs ago:
[19:17:51] <exec> temp: 1073°F (22.8°C), dp: 1061°F (16.1°C), press: 101010.5 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1065%, wind: 103 mph (4.8 km/h) @ 10115°
[19:18:27] <Bytram> ~forecast Boston
[19:18:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather jackson, tn
[19:18:49] <exec> weather for 10Jackson, TN US at 2014-07-24 18:48:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[19:18:49] <exec> temp: 1082°F (27.8°C), dp: 1056°F (13.3°C), press: 101011.7 mb (-0.2 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1041%, wind: 101 mph (1.6 km/h) @ 10285°
[19:19:08] <Bytram> ~weather Miami
[19:19:11] <exec> weather for 10Miami, FL US at 2014-07-24 18:58:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[19:19:12] <exec> temp: 1092°F (33.3°C), dp: 1078°F (25.6°C), press: 101016.8 mb (-0.1 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1063%, wind: 101 mph (1.6 km/h) @ 10157°
[19:20:24] <Bytram> ~weather McMurdo Station
[19:20:26] <exec> weather for 10Williams Field, Antarctica at 2014-07-24 18:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.3 hrs ago:
[19:20:26] <exec> temp: 10-20.7°F (-29.3°C), dp: 10-32.4°F (-35.8°C), press: 10979.9 mb (-1.1 mb over 0.1 hrs), humid: 1053%, wind: 1013 mph (20.8 km/h) @ 1070°
[19:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://arstechnica.com
[19:20:29] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03285.409ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/mbey4rr 14 )[0]: 03GOG rolls out Linux support with over 50 games, many on sale | Ars Technica
[19:22:20] <Bytram> http://www.wunderground.com
[19:22:22] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 031.355sec. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/kbhn8ha 14 )[0]: 03McMurdo, Antarctica Weather Forecast from Weather Underground
[19:25:55] <Bytram> ~weather NZSP
[19:25:57] <exec> Weather for "Stephen's Island Antarctica" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[19:26:14] <Bytram> ~weather Amundsen-Scott
[19:26:16] <exec> Weather for "Amundsen-Scott" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[19:30:19] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[19:30:39] <Bytram|away> need to take care of a few things... have fun everyone!
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[19:50:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What's the Appeal of Playing 'Mundane' Simulator Games? - http://sylnt.us - bytram-approved
[19:50:51] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03665.08ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/lpxbfv3 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | What's the Appeal of Playing 'Mundane' Simulator Games?
[19:54:14] <blackmoore|afk> bytram approved?
[20:03:21] <paulej72> ok new zoo icons on dev. Please let me know what you think.
[20:04:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> zoo?
[20:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, friends/foes/fans/freaks. gotcha
[20:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> work for me.
[20:10:08] <paulej72> everyone go by-by or something
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[20:13:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> poor tux
[20:14:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> rip themes/default/htdocs/images/topics/topiclinux.gif
[20:18:46] <paulej72> i got 2^8 as my pull
[20:19:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, themes/default/templates/listTopics;topics;default... you mean to change the indentation all up?
[20:20:10] <paulej72> yes, but there were some other changes there as well
[20:20:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[20:21:54] <paulej72> let me recommit that as i see a mistake in the white space. just hold off on merging
[20:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[20:24:55] <paulej72> that is better. If you reload the github page you should see my changes
[20:25:57] <paulej72> wait there is one more thing I need to commit
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[20:26:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> changes in the icon size in the db? there were a few more than you listed.
[20:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> in upgrades i mean
[20:27:32] <paulej72> the icons were almost all the same size as the old ones.
[20:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. you only listed one and i saw at least two more topic icon size changes by a few pixels.
[20:30:44] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the png is 40x40 but may look smaller as it has transparent pixels
[20:30:58] <paulej72> final commit added.
[20:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers, let me know if i'm being an overly anal dillhole over merges. i have some slight ocd issues.
[20:32:12] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: lets put it this way the db has them all at 40x40 so is probably streching them to fit.
[20:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[20:32:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> what's 2px between friends
[20:32:44] <arti> 1px for each :D
[20:35:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> merged
[20:35:57] <paulej72> now that I have the source files for the logo, I am sorely tempted to make a new theme. Just not sure what color
[20:36:06] <arti> #bada55
[20:36:20] <arti> !hex2rgb #bada55
[20:36:21] <ciri> RGB calculation of #BADA55, resolved to Red:186, Green:218, Blue:85
[20:37:10] <paulej72> that is one badass color
[20:37:22] <paulej72> I think I will do it though as it will make a great theme name
[20:40:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> we are quite silly people around here.
[20:40:30] <arti> much better than mode +naZi
[20:43:35] <arti> "Credit Granted for $0.03"
[20:43:37] <arti> sweet
[20:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, got my jameco catalog in. now... how much money do i want to waste?
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[20:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya 2nd Blackmoore
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[21:21:26] <paulej72> OK new theme on dev. It is Bada55
[21:22:25] <paulej72> the links are darker than #bada55 as it was a bit too light, but it is used in the logo and the bottom of the fades.
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[21:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> gives me flashbacks to a big black feller extolling the virtues of limon flavored soda.
[21:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's something deeply wrong with my brain. i've had No Sleep Till Brooklyn on repeat for over an hour and it's just now complaining.
[21:31:50] <Alberto> !hex2rgb #badabo
[21:31:57] <Alberto> !hex2rgb #bada00
[21:31:58] <ciri> RGB calculation of #BADA00, resolved to Red:186, Green:218, Blue:0
[21:32:08] <Alberto> !hex2rgb #666666
[21:32:08] <ciri> RGB calculation of #666666, resolved to Red:102, Green:102, Blue:102
[21:34:35] <Alberto> anyone installed mac on pc?
[21:34:43] * Alberto curious
[21:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder what 100 20degree 9000mcd leds would look like behind a 10cm2 diffuse light cover? be a hundred dollar lamp but should be bright as all hell on anything directly below it.
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[21:42:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: khyber would have known :P
[21:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> 100th of a watt draw for all of them together too
[21:45:18] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: just did a pull request for bada55
[21:45:29] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[21:45:59] <paulej72> it is a perfect theme for the site
[21:47:28] <paulej72> the best thing is that it is greenish whithout being that other site :)
[21:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> merged
[21:48:52] <paulej72> so easy to push out a new theme based on a different color.
[21:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> need a darth vader theme then
[21:52:28] <paulej72> I am not sure a gloss balck/matte black theme will work on SN.
[21:54:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> there go tha man, tryin to keep a theme down.
[21:54:30] <crutchy> (flouro epilleptic fit-inducing animated rainbow background)++
[21:54:30] <Bender> karma - (flouro epilleptic fit-inducing animated rainbow background): 1
[21:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, look at the last merged pull request for how and make your own.
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[21:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all good, i'll make one so i can say i'm being productive instead of playing minecraft.
[21:58:08] <crutchy> i'm not much a fan of css rework. they make it sound so great in the ads, but its not a matter of simply just pressing the any key
[22:00:01] <crutchy> gtg to workipoos :-/
[22:00:30] <paulej72> crutchy: I got it down to just three colors that i change in each css file. The base color, the fade from base. and a mouse over color. Pick the three colors do a search and replace, do up some new logos, and you are good to go.
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[22:00:44] <frink> Well Hello!
[22:00:53] <paulej72> hello frink
[22:01:12] <Alberto> hello frank
[22:01:15] <frink> Hi paulej72. Whats up? First time here. What happens?
[22:01:40] <Alberto> s/frank/frink/
[22:01:40] <SedBot2> <Alberto> hello frink
[22:01:52] <frink> Hi Alberto
[22:01:59] <frink> frank. lol
[22:02:41] <paulej72> frink: right now i was just doing a new theme for SN and finishing up work on new icons. sometimes we take the dev work to #dev, but lately we have just been working here so everyone can chime in.
[22:03:12] <frink> Nice. Is Soylent News on IPv6 btw?
[22:03:25] <paulej72> This is the home base channel here and almost anything happens. right now it is the slow time for the channel.
[22:03:39] <frink> Yeah well its 2300 here in UK, slow time here also.
[22:04:20] <frink> I'm really liking SN now. Not sure if a mobile specific site is better or not at the moment.
[22:04:38] <paulej72> frink: not at the moment. we have an issue with how slash interacts with ipv6. it is on our todo list to fix though. Also we are awaiting our wildcard certs so this stuff will be easier to do.
[22:05:09] <paulej72> frink: the irc server is on ipv6 if you would like to connect that way.
[22:05:54] <frink> I'm having a slight Juniper bug with v6 at the moment (no wait.. its a feature) so I'll recover my household v6 next week :)
[22:06:13] <paulej72> frink: that is my opinion at the moment right now. I do have some issues that I need to fix that broke perevious fixes we had for mobile.
[22:07:33] <frink> So what are your hopes for the future of SN? Aside from traffic.
[22:08:00] <paulej72> frink: if you want to see our progess on what the devs have been up to, got to dev.soylentnews.org. We have utf8 working, new icons and logos, and just today a new theme.
[22:08:17] <frink> Yeah it is looking really good. Checking out dev now.
[22:09:31] <paulej72> frink: the big things we working on now that we got incorporated is getting revenue in . NCommander is working on getting the subscription code working how we want it and, mrcoolbp and xlefay are working on getting a swag store working.
[22:10:50] <frink> Are you looking for enough for paid staff or just to cover operational costs?
[22:11:21] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard and I are trying to get everything ready for our next upgrade on 14_08_01.
[22:12:06] <paulej72> frink: our goal is to have paid staff, but we are focusing on getting into the black first.
[22:12:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually i'm goofing off making a theme. have done an arseload of work the past month n change though.
[22:12:10] <frink> I as a humble supplicant appreciate all your work :)
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[22:13:56] <frink> See, I really didn't mind the /. advertising. It is mostly relevant and I actually see some stuff advertised on /. that I have used (Opengear terminal servers for one..)
[22:14:04] <mrcoolbp> frink: don't listen to TheMightyBuzzard, he's lazy and just goes fishing = )
[22:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> busted
[22:14:22] <frink> Phishing is cruel.
[22:14:38] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: are you done with work, or on break
[22:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i don't wear a real green dress
[22:15:22] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I just got home, but I gotta do the schedule still (2-3 hours)
[22:15:27] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: what's up?
[22:15:32] <mrcoolbp> favicons?
[22:15:44] <paulej72> favicons and a new theme on dev
[22:17:16] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: and new zoo icons
[22:17:29] <mrcoolbp> k
[22:17:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hey, paulej72, have a look in Data.pm at fudgeurl sometime and tell me what you think. i think most of it can die in a fire.
[22:17:32] <mrcoolbp> checkin'
[22:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> some bit of it is killing ipv6 and IDNs both.
[22:19:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: zoo icons: perfect, favicon: perfect, BadA55 isn't bad either, little weird
[22:19:57] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 ex: text on the left slashboxes is light green on white
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[22:20:40] * mrcoolbp doesn't get why some slashboxes are grey and others are colored (in title bar)
[22:21:01] <mrcoolbp> I guess it's just the stories that are colored but shouldn't they all be the same?
[22:21:27] * mrcoolbp compares with other themes
[22:21:57] <paulej72> the slahboxes always have a gray title bar. stories and comments and centerpage stuff has the colored titles.
[22:23:10] <mrcoolbp> yup
[22:23:34] <mrcoolbp> I think I'm talking in general (while we are on the subject)
[22:23:38] <mrcoolbp> I don't like all the grey in the background either
[22:23:49] <mrcoolbp> grey on grey
[22:24:24] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: if we can darken that green text on BadA55 I could stamp seal of approval on that theme
[22:24:34] <mrcoolbp> but honestly I'd like to mitigate all that grey eventually
[22:25:31] * mrcoolbp stamps "APPROVED" on favicon
[22:25:31] <mrcoolbp> /me stamps "APPROVED"
[22:25:35] <mrcoolbp> !
[22:26:02] * mrcoolbp stamps "APPROVED" on zoo icons
[22:26:30] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the slashboxes right now do not have borders. I would need to add them so the background can go white. also the green link color is fairly dark on my screen, but I can make it a bit darker
[22:26:41] <NCommander> Wait, we have a new theme?
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[22:27:19] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[22:27:34] <mrcoolbp> dev, bada55
[22:29:39] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: try it now, I had the very first a tag set to the lighter green. It is now one shade darker.
[22:30:13] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: not sure I see a difference yet
[22:30:21] * mrcoolbp reloads furiosly
[22:30:30] <paulej72> ok let me do another change
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[22:35:40] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: try it now
[22:36:00] <mrcoolbp> k
[22:36:32] <mrcoolbp> "Internal Server Error"
[22:36:38] <mrcoolbp> tried logging in 3 times
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[22:38:15] <paulej72> seems ok now
[22:39:02] <mrcoolbp> that looks more readable
[22:40:25] <paulej72> want i should go darker?
[22:41:38] <mrcoolbp> a touch
[22:42:29] <mrcoolbp> maybe a gradient on the title bars for the grey slashboxes would help (like the storie title bars)
[22:43:39] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: there's only a few of the topic icons that stand out on the non-red themes, maybe we could just recolorize them
[22:43:50] <mrcoolbp> unless that's non-trivial work
[22:44:03] * mrcoolbp doesn't remember if the themes support that
[22:44:28] <paulej72> non trivial to have themes support differnt topic icons
[22:45:08] <paulej72> try it now #708333 is the color
[22:45:11] <mrcoolbp> I think it's just /dev/random, Answers, Meta
[22:45:50] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: that's great
[22:46:31] <mrcoolbp> maybe the soylent candy bar also, not sure
[22:46:47] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I gotta work on real job stuff for a few hours, I'll be around though
[22:46:51] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the probelm is there is only one folder for all of the topic icons. I would need to cahnge the way they are used in all of the templates to use a theme specific folder
[22:47:19] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: then disregaurd for now, I'll throw it on the UserExperience todo
[22:48:44] * chromas wonders why the colors are specified as rgb()
[22:50:33] <paulej72> chromas: how else would you do it?
[22:50:51] <chromas> #aabbcc
[22:51:24] <chromas> Or #bada55 in this case
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[22:59:54] <paulej72> going for food now
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[23:02:10] <paulej72> juggs; how you doing
[23:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[23:03:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: is that your Vader theme
[23:03:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh maybe. dunno if it deserves the name but i dig it.
[23:03:55] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I like that, but you took away the "ooh shiny" from the candybar = (
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[23:04:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, paulej72 has better image files to work with than me
[23:04:21] <paulej72> mrcoolbp, TheMightyBuzzard I can make a shiny black candybar
[23:04:35] <mrcoolbp> well... so can I!
[23:04:56] * mrcoolbp needs a better computer, multiple monitors etc.
[23:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't have my second. it has conky and other crap i look at all the time on it.
[23:06:49] <SirFinkus> woohoo, yosemite beta time
[23:06:55] <SirFinkus> see you guy son the other side
[23:07:41] <mrcoolbp> gl
[23:07:50] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[23:08:15] <SirFinkus> I also got into the btsync alpha
[23:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really dark enough for vader without darkening a lot of other stuff.
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[23:11:42] <juggs> hey paulej72 - not bad thanks. And you?
[23:13:34] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: what size should I export this 3line logo for TMB?
[23:13:46] * mrcoolbp is learning Illustrator apparently
[23:14:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, naming's harder than doing
[23:14:13] <arti> illustrator is pretty cool
[23:14:29] <arti> makes it a snap to line things up
[23:14:59] * mrcoolbp italices the text to match paulej72's most recent logo
[23:15:23] * arti changes 'do' to 'implementation phase' and thinks it's still too readable
[23:15:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: http://www.princeton.edu
[23:15:48] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03290.673ms.14)[0]: 03Index of /~ericpaul/vader
[23:16:04] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: i just did it.
[23:16:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for me
[23:16:14] <mrcoolbp> lol
[23:16:28] <paulej72> I have a process down so that all of the logos should be identical
[23:16:47] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: true, but I used black text on the news, and added a white border (stroke)
[23:17:49] <mrcoolbp> yours will probably look better at that size though
[23:17:53] <paulej72> My logo uses 1c1c1c as the base color as it allows the shadows to show up. and amkes it look glossy
[23:18:46] * mrcoolbp dubs that color IcIcle
[23:18:57] <paulej72> I use photoshop to do the resizing as ai’s resizeing in the web output sucks big time. Aslo the favicon needs hand editing after resizing to make it work.
[23:19:14] <mrcoolbp> makes sense
[23:19:35] <mrcoolbp> okay, well I need to get some work done, looks like PJ has this under control, ping me if you need me
[23:19:56] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: throw that theme up too
[23:20:03] <paulej72> Juggs we have been working on new themes today on dev.
[23:20:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net if you wanna see it live while i work on a name
[23:20:17] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03677.541ms.14)[0]: 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[23:20:23] <mrcoolbp> call it "Black IcIcle"
[23:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[23:21:17] <juggs> paulej72, sounds like fun :D
[23:21:28] <mrcoolbp> TMB: slick
[23:21:34] <mrcoolbp> get it?
[23:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[23:22:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing the renaming now
[23:23:42] <paulej72> this one really need some desaturated topic icons. Maybe I’ll get seperate topic icons working this weekend?
[23:24:03] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: have at it
[23:24:26] <mrcoolbp> I have a crazy weekend ahead of me, the store still needs some work (kinda waiting on making some decisions)
[23:24:36] <mrcoolbp> I guess I should email xlefay
[23:25:55] <paulej72> ok I really need to get food now. BBL
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[23:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, something's hating on dashes in the name
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[23:37:31] <arti> sup pbnjoe
[23:38:05] <pbnjoe> ntm, you arti?
[23:38:22] <arti> drinking a beer and doing svg animootion
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[23:41:47] <mrcoolbp> hey arti
[23:41:50] <mrcoolbp> sounds fun
[23:42:27] <arti> greetings, the work is the path authoring in illustrator
[23:42:37] <mrcoolbp> arti: oh I just remembered, can we make ciri ignore bender?
[23:42:51] <arti> you don't like the 2x links?
[23:42:58] <mrcoolbp> = )
[23:43:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> request in
[23:43:31] <arti> once i wrap up this up i'll switch over to that
[23:43:43] <mrcoolbp> sweet
[23:43:48] <mrcoolbp> thx
[23:43:51] * arti found a pretty cool pad not too far from here that has fios
[23:44:04] <arti> i'm going to make the jump, hopefully
[23:44:10] * arti is scouting the place out this evening
[23:44:16] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[23:44:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd club a baby seal for fios
[23:47:10] <arti> i understand
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