#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-20

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[23:55:42] <crutchy> interactive learning
[23:55:31] <crutchy> arti... i'm still a noob, but learning with SedBot2 was very cool
[23:54:15] * arti still views complex regex as magic
[23:53:59] <arti> crutchy: very cool, perhaps you're just a good student
[23:51:46] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient1
[23:51:41] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
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[23:50:13] <crutchy> i'll try that then. seems to be working ok atm
[23:49:55] <crutchy> hmm just reverts to sftp anyway
[23:49:47] <chromas_> I'd think gedit would open it too
[23:49:03] <crutchy> i'll try ssh:
[23:48:31] <crutchy> i can access sftp://jared@192.168.0.21 sometimes in nautilus, but seems to be a bit unreliable for some reason
[23:47:38] <chromas_> Should be able to open fish: or ssh: links
[23:47:07] <crutchy> haven't got x forwarding working
[23:46:58] <crutchy> i like gedit
[23:46:42] <chromas_> Or ssh in :D
[23:46:22] <crutchy> well, not harder, but i have to remeber to do a 'git up' for rsyncing
[23:45:54] <crutchy> harder to tinker when its on the webserver
[23:45:34] <crutchy> actually might just fix a couple of things 1st
[23:44:09] <crutchy> ima gunna see if i can move exec/sedbot2 onto the webserver :-/
[23:43:42] <crutchy> hmm
[23:39:51] <chromas_> Neat
[23:37:52] <crutchy> if anyone interested, check out http://www.nasa.gov
[23:37:23] <crutchy> any editors around? i just submitted an article about a nasa tv thingy that's on today
[23:37:12] <chromas_> Or smoked slash and started turning trix
[23:36:13] <crutchy> is that programming slashcode while listening to jimmy hendrix, or just doing the same drugs as jimmy hendrix?
[23:34:54] <chromas_> He either ran away or got lost in the slashdrix
[23:34:22] <crutchy> lol
[23:34:09] <chromas_> Is that why FoobarBazbot is never around?
[23:33:53] <SedBot2> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Reports First Locally Acquired Chikungunya Cases - http://sylnt.us - bug-fte-brings-fg-fther--ftter-bash-fthersome-buggers
[23:33:53] <crutchy> Bender: s/b[ioe]+/f/g
[23:33:46] <chromas_> Lol
[23:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> if bytram knows his regexes ima point him at some slash to work on
[23:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't alliteration awesome
[23:31:42] <crutchy> arti... bytram was teaching me some regex basics last night. he's a really good teacher
[23:31:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Reports First Locally Acquired Chikungunya Cases - http://sylnt.us - bug-bite-brings-big-bother--better-bash-bothersome-buggers
[23:30:50] <SedBot2> <crutchy> ~say ~sedbot-talk !wheeee!
[23:30:50] <crutchy> s/o{2}p/heeee!/
[23:29:56] <arti> wash your car, that always seems to make it rain
[23:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, no rain until a week from now
[23:27:44] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[23:27:44] <SedBot2> !woop
[23:27:43] <exec> ~sedbot-talk !woop
[23:27:41] <crutchy> ~say ~sedbot-talk !woop
[23:27:39] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[23:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> !woop
[23:27:07] <crutchy> now where did i put that sticky note with my password :-d
[23:26:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah
[23:26:45] <SedBot2> <TheMightyBuzzard> ~sedbot-talk !woop
[23:26:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/.*/~sedbot-talk !woop/
[23:26:40] <crutchy> the ultimate security by obscurity :-d
[23:26:27] <crutchy> passwords are meant to be forgotten
[23:26:10] <chromas_> Didn't bring my password
[23:26:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya arti
[23:25:41] <crutchy> lol hey arti
[23:25:30] <arti> you are me! /totalrecall
[23:25:05] <chromas_> Oh yeah
[23:24:57] <crutchy> you're not you
[23:24:52] <crutchy> lol
[23:24:37] <chromas_> Aw
[23:24:28] <chromas_> ~say ~sedbot-talk hey
[23:24:16] <arti> g'day crutchy
[23:22:51] <exec> [20830] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[23:22:50] <crutchy> ~ps
[23:22:38] <crutchy> not sure what that's all about :-/
[23:22:31] <crutchy> i can start the awk script in exec but get an error (pipe not found) when i do a sed command
[23:21:50] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 83
[23:21:50] <chromas_> crutchy++
[23:21:40] <Bender> karma - exec: 6
[23:21:40] <chromas_> exec++
[23:21:29] <chromas_> Awesome
[23:21:23] <chromas_> Didn't see that part
[23:21:21] <SedBot2> hi chromas!
[23:21:20] <crutchy> ~sedbot-talk hi chromas!
[23:21:10] <chromas_> Cool
[23:20:55] <crutchy> moooaaar complexity!!!!
[23:20:39] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[23:20:38] <crutchy> SedBot2 is currently connected via an ii session managed by exec :-d
[23:19:50] <crutchy> chromas_ did you read the backlog?
[23:19:28] <crutchy> g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[23:19:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 418
[23:19:14] <crutchy> coffee++ is a really good idea
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[23:18:52] <crutchy> g'day chromas
[23:15:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> really a good idea, that
[23:15:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 417
[23:15:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[23:12:53] <chromas_> G'day, crutchy, multi-bot master :D
[23:06:40] <crutchy> just need to add a timestamp thingy cos i don't wanna output stuff that is more than a week old
[23:06:08] <crutchy> i might put the exec rss/atom feed back up in # with a few feeds
[23:05:41] <crutchy> g'day chromas
[23:05:14] <chromas_> http://spectrum.ieee.org
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[22:05:09] <Bytram> unfortunately, I gtg.
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[22:04:07] <Bytram> crutchy: wb
[22:03:43] <Bytram> heads up -- story submission queue is nearly empty -- please help!
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[21:56:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 416
[21:56:13] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:56:00] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[21:56:00] <crutchy> SedBot2
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[21:33:55] <Bytram> heads up -- story submission queue is nearly empty -- please help!
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[21:11:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Biological Pacemaker' Tested in Laboratory - http://sylnt.us - working-to-a-different-beat
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[20:50:54] <Bytram> give her a hug for me!
[20:50:44] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!
[20:50:36] <chromas_> Yeah. I've got a niece running up and poking in phone too so :D
[20:50:04] <Bytram> =)
[20:50:02] <Bytram> now I got it.
[20:49:43] <Bytram> ahhh, wherever it *was* running, it crashed, you can't there from where you are, and if someone else wanted to, they could run it, except you didn't push the latest version up to github, so they cannot really do that, now.
[20:48:42] <Bytram> is that what you meant?
[20:48:18] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <chromas_> I can run it when I get home on probably Tuesday or so but if my(??) source was available then crutchy of someone could throw up an instance
[20:48:18] <Bytram> chromas_: s/months/if my$??$/
[20:47:35] <chromas_> I can run it when I get home on probably Tuesday or so but months source was available then crutchy of someone could throw up an instance
[20:46:01] * Bytram feels *much* better!
[20:45:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 415
[20:45:49] <Bytram> coffee++
[20:45:41] <Bytram> I must be undercaffienated... I still don't understand. what would it take to get it running?
[20:45:13] <chromas_> No but someone else could run it
[20:44:57] <Bytram> does that mean we lost him? it? her?
[20:44:53] <chromas_> Silly rabbit, trix are for chicks
[20:44:42] <Bytram> btw, I didn't understand your earlier comment re: monopoly... "Aww. Should've pushed to Github before I left"
[20:44:21] <Bytram> lol
[20:43:59] <chromas_> Thilly android
[20:42:34] <Bytram> chromas_: bye! oh, hi! :-D
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[20:30:31] <Bytram> http://sylnt.us
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[20:15:34] * chromas_ expected something from ud
[20:15:04] <exec> [stoacademy] 3pirate site: pirate - A person who attacks and robs ships.
[20:14:56] <chromas_> ~define pirate site
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[19:12:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spain Lifts Pirate Site Blocks - http://sylnt.us - start-downloading-in-5-4-3-2-1
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[17:59:14] <Bytram> ugh. /me needs a new keyboard. :(
[17:59:02] * Bytram shrugs
[17:58:52] * Bytram shrus
[17:58:50] * chromas_ wonders how the link detector works
[17:58:47] <Bytram> and all I did was prepend a 'x' to bender's message, so it was there all along!
[17:58:15] <chromas_> Yep. Weird because it is in your message.
[17:56:25] <Bytram> I just used a sedbot command to have the bender message repeated, is the hyphen still not 'clickable' for you?
[17:55:18] <Bytram> strange, I use HexChat and it came up as being part of the link for me.
[17:54:52] <chromas_> It's andchat. It's there but it's not part of the clickable link on just Bender's link
[17:54:52] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <bender> X[SoylentNews] - US "Suspected Terrorist" Database had 1.5M Names Added to it in Past 5 Years - http://sylnt.us - excluding-this-year's-SN-members
[17:54:51] <Bytram> bender: s/^/X/
[17:53:53] <Bytram> ummm, I got it from bender's message. What IRC client do you use?
[17:53:52] <SedBot2> <chromas_> No. Didn't notice that. For (damn soft keyboard) some reason it's not part of the link in Bender's message but it is in yours
[17:53:52] <chromas_> s/The/For (damn soft keyboard) /
[17:53:20] <chromas_> No. Didn't notice that. The some reason it's not part of the link in Bender's message but it is in yours
[17:53:01] * Bytram notes there is a dash at the end of the URL that may have gone unnoticed
[17:52:04] <Bytram> did you include the whole url? http://sylnt.us
[17:51:49] <Bytram> hmmm, I just copy/pasted it from the Bender msg.
[17:51:16] <chromas_> Shortened link
[17:50:14] <SedBot2> <Bytram> chromas_: are you talking about the shortened link? Or about monopoly?
[17:50:14] <Bytram> s/shortend/shortened/
[17:49:57] <Bytram> chromas_: are you talking about the shortend link? Or about monopoly?
[17:49:10] <chromas_> Should
[17:49:04] <chromas_> Around try others I guess
[17:48:58] <chromas_> I typed in the link and it doesn't work. Fpos. I wonder what's missing
[17:48:41] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[17:48:18] <chromas_> Aww. Should've pushed to Github before I left
[17:47:09] <Bytram|afk> chromas_: btw, I must say I miss monopoly a *lot*
[17:46:37] <Bytram|afk> chromas_: strange. I just tried the shortened link and it worked for me.
[17:46:14] <chromas_> Thanks :) the Bender link takes me to the shortener interface
[17:45:00] <Bytram|afk> http://soylentnews.org
[17:41:44] <chromas_> From the url-doesn't-work-for-me dept
[17:01:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US "Suspected Terrorist" Database had 1.5M Names Added to it in Past 5 Years - http://sylnt.us - excluding-this-year's-SN-members
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[16:47:17] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
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[16:10:29] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 00000
[16:10:29] <Bytram> s/[^0-9]//g
[16:10:21] <Bytram> s/^[0-9]//g
[16:10:10] <Bytram> aaaaaaa00000aaaaaa
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[16:02:56] <crutchy> dammit... tomorrow jared :-P
[16:02:35] <crutchy> crap
[16:02:29] <crutchy> s/^0-9//g
[16:02:27] <crutchy> aaaaaaa00000aaaaaa
[15:58:08] * Bytram thinks crutchy is going to have some VERY interesting dreams/nightmares!
[15:57:27] <Bytram> night!
[15:57:25] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123_bcdefgABCDEFG456
[15:57:25] <Bytram> s/[[:alpha:]]/_/
[15:57:22] <crutchy> night
[15:57:16] <Bender> karma - bytram: 9
[15:57:16] <crutchy> Bytram++
[15:57:13] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123abcdefg_BCDEFG456
[15:57:12] <Bytram> s/[[:upper:]]/_/
[15:57:12] <crutchy> mkay. not sure what ebcdic is. might have to google that one. thanks again matey
[15:57:04] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123_bcdefgABCDEFG456
[15:57:04] <Bytram> s/[[:lower:]]/_/
[15:56:57] <Bytram> 123abcdefgABCDEFG456
[15:56:04] <Bytram> crutchy: BTW, there's one more very important thing.... all the preceding is based on ASCII - it will not work as you expect with EBCDIC!
[15:55:10] <Bytram> back
[15:54:57] <Bender> karma - bytram: 8
[15:54:57] <crutchy> Bytram++
[15:54:54] <Bender> karma - bytram: 7
[15:54:54] <crutchy> Bytram++
[15:54:51] <crutchy> night folks. thanks again Bytram
[15:54:38] * crutchy had better get some shuteye
[15:54:26] <crutchy> holy shit its 2am
[15:52:56] <crutchy> hmm well now i get how the $0 ~ line_re works :-D
[15:51:57] <SedBot2> <crutchy> blah
[15:51:57] <crutchy> s/^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$/blah/
[15:51:54] <crutchy> 0000-00-20 00:00 <blah> text
[15:51:21] <crutchy> k. thanks btw :-D
[15:51:11] <Bytram> brb
[15:51:10] <crutchy> s/^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$/blah/
[15:51:07] <crutchy> 0000-00-x0 00:00 <blah> text
[15:50:59] <SedBot2> <crutchy> blah
[15:50:59] <crutchy> s/^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$/blah/
[15:50:59] <Bytram> good. *for* you.
[15:50:48] <crutchy> 0000-00-00 00:00 <blah> text
[15:50:35] <crutchy> :-d
[15:50:33] <crutchy> i promise (x)
[15:50:22] <crutchy> lol
[15:50:15] <Bytram> DO NOT GO THERE!!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!
[15:50:06] <crutchy> 0000-00-00 00:00 <blah> text
[15:50:03] <Bytram> but, BEWARE, you absolutely, positively *CANNOT* use a regexp to fully process HTML!!!!!!
[15:49:26] <Bytram> nod nod!
[15:49:16] <Bytram> I forget what the 'official' term is for an experession with '[' and ']' in it is.
[15:48:53] <crutchy> so the sedbot regex is just making sure there's no > in the nick
[15:48:11] <crutchy> that makes sense :-)
[15:48:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:47:56] <Bytram> the first, non-digit character was the 'a'
[15:47:55] <crutchy> so if its used in [] its not beginning
[15:47:36] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123Xbc456
[15:47:36] <Bytram> s/[^0-9]/X/
[15:47:27] <crutchy> ah
[15:47:23] <Bytram> 123abc456
[15:47:10] <Bytram> the charet means to INVERT the match
[15:46:51] <crutchy> <a href="http://sn.org/foo.bar.html" name="baz">
[15:46:40] <Bytram> that's a variation on the '[' ']' mechanism
[15:46:18] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <a name="baz">
[15:46:18] <Bytram> s/href=[^ >]*//
[15:46:09] <crutchy> with new eyes :-d
[15:46:03] <Bytram> <a href="http://sn.org/foo.bar.html" name="baz">
[15:46:01] * crutchy is looking at the sedbot regex again
[15:45:48] <crutchy> cool
[15:45:40] <crutchy> ah
[15:45:32] <Bytram> yes
[15:45:28] <crutchy> is the > a literal char here?
[15:45:17] * Bytram thinks there's a few more :/
[15:45:05] <crutchy> ([^>]*)
[15:44:47] <crutchy> only one more thing i'm not sure of
[15:44:09] <crutchy> cool
[15:44:08] <Bytram> YES!
[15:43:50] <SedBot2> <crutchy> BLAH BLAHt BLAHe BLAHe
[15:43:50] <crutchy> s/th.s?/BLAH/g
[15:43:41] <SedBot2> <crutchy> BLAH that these those
[15:43:41] <crutchy> s/th.s?/BLAH/
[15:43:25] <SedBot2> <crutchy> BLAH that these those
[15:43:25] <crutchy> s/th..?/BLAH/
[15:42:57] <SedBot2> <crutchy> BLAH BLAH BLAHe BLAHe
[15:42:57] <crutchy> s/th..?/BLAH/g
[15:42:22] <crutchy> this that these those
[15:42:19] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that BLAH
[15:42:19] <Bytram> s/these(.*)?/BLAH/
[15:42:18] <Bytram> this that these
[15:42:09] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that BLAH
[15:42:09] <Bytram> s/these(.*)?/BLAH/
[15:41:56] <Bytram> this that these those
[15:41:50] <Bytram> here's a useful place for +
[15:41:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:41:01] <crutchy> pretty cool that it ignores sed commands from the last_line array
[15:40:19] <crutchy> oops
[15:40:13] <crutchy> s/[0-9]{45}/x/
[15:40:04] <SedBot2> <crutchy> abcxdefghi123ghi123jkl
[15:40:03] <crutchy> s/[0-9]{3,5}/x/
[15:39:45] <crutchy> s/[0-9]{6,8}/x/
[15:39:37] <crutchy> abc123defghi123ghi123jkl
[15:39:34] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234X
[15:39:34] <Bytram> s/5.?/X/
[15:39:32] <Bytram> 12345
[15:39:24] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234X
[15:39:24] <Bytram> s/5.?/X/
[15:39:18] <SedBot2> <crutchy> abcxdefghi123ghi123jkl
[15:39:18] <Bytram> 123456
[15:39:18] <crutchy> s/[0-9]{2,3}/x/
[15:39:12] <Bytram> 123546
[15:38:47] <crutchy> abc123defghi123ghi123jkl
[15:38:39] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abc123_ghi123ghi123jkl
[15:38:39] <Bytram> s/def[0-9]?/_/
[15:38:37] <Bytram> abc123defghi123ghi123jkl
[15:38:24] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abc123_23ghi123jkl
[15:38:24] <Bytram> s/def[0-9]?/_/
[15:38:11] <crutchy> its more for testing i guess
[15:38:02] <crutchy> i think i understand though
[15:38:00] <Bytram> abc123def123ghi123jkl
[15:37:39] <crutchy> hmm hard to think of an example to use the {m,n} thing on
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[15:36:50] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 0bcdefabcdefabcdef
[15:36:50] <crutchy> s/[a-z]?/0/
[15:36:29] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 0abcdefabcdefabcdef
[15:36:29] <crutchy> s/[cd]?/0/
[15:35:46] <crutchy> abcdefabcdefabcdef
[15:34:00] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Bytram] by juggler
[15:34:00] <Bytram> .deop
[15:33:57] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v arti] by juggler
[15:33:57] <Bytram> .voice arti
[15:33:55] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Bytram] by juggler
[15:33:55] <Bytram> .op
[15:33:44] <crutchy> oh crap i think you just quieted arti too :-o
[15:33:40] <Bytram> ? == {0,1}
[15:33:32] <Bytram> + == {1,999999999999999999999999999999999999999}
[15:33:29] <Bytram> * == {0,99999999999999999999999999999999999999}
[15:33:20] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Bytram] by juggler
[15:33:20] <Bytram> .deop
[15:33:14] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@iminylescdbcem.com] by juggler
[15:33:14] <Bytram> .quiet ciri
[15:33:06] <crutchy> try .quiet
[15:32:56] <Bytram> lol!
[15:32:55] <crutchy> hahahahahaha
[15:32:50] -!- ciri [ciri!~ciri@iminylescdbcem.com] has joined #Soylent
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[15:32:40] <crutchy> lol
[15:32:35] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Bytram] by juggler
[15:32:35] <Bytram> .op
[15:32:34] <Bytram> that does it.
[15:32:30] <crutchy> yup
[15:32:25] <ciri> In usa, in my charybdis ircd.conf if it's connecting to is "::1.1 mb over past 0.
[15:32:24] <Bytram> + == {1,999999999999999999999999999999999999999}
[15:32:16] <Bytram> i.e.
[15:32:08] <Bytram> + == {1,}
[15:31:56] <Bytram> (actually, it's however many are left)
[15:31:52] <crutchy> k
[15:31:50] <crutchy> lol
[15:31:34] <Bytram> * == {0,99999999999999999999999999999999999999}
[15:31:33] <crutchy> abcdefabcdefabcdef
[15:31:04] <Bytram> {min,max}
[15:31:04] <crutchy> k
[15:30:41] <Bytram> so, here comes the explanation:
[15:30:10] <SedBot2> <Bytram> X123abcdef456
[15:30:10] <Bytram> s/[c-f]{,4}/X/
[15:30:00] <Bytram> 123abcdef456
[15:29:50] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123abX456
[15:29:49] <Bytram> s/[c-f]{1,}/X/
[15:29:38] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123abXef456
[15:29:38] <Bytram> s/[c-f]{1,2}/X/
[15:29:29] <Bytram> 123abcdef456
[15:29:22] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123Xcdef456
[15:29:22] <Bytram> s/[a-f]{1,2}/X/
[15:29:17] <Bytram> 123abcdef456
[15:29:14] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123X456
[15:29:14] <Bytram> s/[a-f]{2,6}/X/
[15:29:06] <Bytram> 123abcdef456
[15:29:03] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:28:58] <crutchy> ooh
[15:28:51] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123Xef456
[15:28:50] <Bytram> s/[a-f]{2,4}/X/
[15:28:49] <crutchy> mkay
[15:28:38] <Bytram> 123abcdef456
[15:28:35] <crutchy> so i only use {} if i don't want 0,1 or more (any)
[15:28:21] <Bytram> I'm about ready to tie all that together... let me give you a new twist on '{' and '}'
[15:28:06] <crutchy> yup
[15:27:56] <crutchy> odd number of a's
[15:27:54] <Bytram> iow, the '*', '+', and '?' modifiers are shorthand for the {' and '}' modifiers!
[15:27:49] <crutchy> ah
[15:27:45] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 0000000a
[15:27:44] <crutchy> s/[a]{2}/0/g
[15:27:21] <crutchy> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:27:10] <Bytram> crutchy: not quite... the '{' '}' are count modifiers, too.
[15:26:39] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 0000000a0
[15:26:39] <crutchy> s/[a]{2}?/0/g
[15:26:18] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 000000000000000
[15:26:17] <crutchy> s/a?/0/g
[15:26:14] <Bytram> s/this (that)? /BLAH/
[15:26:12] <Bytram> this them these those
[15:26:03] <crutchy> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:25:57] <SedBot2> <Bytram> BLAHthese those
[15:25:57] <Bytram> s/this (that)? /BLAH/
[15:25:40] <Bytram> this that these those
[15:25:37] <crutchy> ah
[15:25:27] <Bytram> ? == zero or one matches
[15:25:16] <Bytram> + == one or more matches
[15:25:10] <Bytram> * == zero or more matches
[15:25:06] * crutchy looks again harder
[15:25:03] <Bytram> the question mark modifies the preceding pattern much like '*' and "+'
[15:24:58] <crutchy> i figured i was wrong there
[15:24:35] <Bytram> not quite, and I need a different example
[15:24:03] <Bytram> abcABcABx
[15:23:39] <crutchy> ah so the ? is any combination of the []?
[15:23:36] <Bytram> let me make it simple
[15:23:26] <Bytram> okay, class.... let's keep it to a dull roar, shall we? :-D
[15:23:02] * crutchy is reviewing last sed
[15:22:45] SoyGuest78662 is now known as SedBot2
[15:22:44] <crutchy> ~sedbot-talk /n SedBot2
[15:22:38] <crutchy> yeah thought that might happen
[15:22:33] <SoyGuest78662> <Bytram> ABC123BLAHyzzy
[15:22:33] <Bytram> s/x[abc]?/BLAH/
[15:22:31] <crutchy> oh crap sorry
[15:22:25] SedBot is now known as SoyGuest78662
[15:22:24] <Bytram> s/x[abc]/BLAH/
[15:22:16] <Bytram> ABC123xyzzy
[15:22:14] <Bytram> let me do that over and get the noise out of the way.
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[15:21:39] <crutchy> not sure if that will stick :-/
[15:21:25] SedBot2 is now known as SedBot
[15:21:24] <crutchy> ~sedbot-talk /n SedBot
[15:21:19] <SedBot2> <Bytram> ABC123BLAHyzzy
[15:21:19] <Bytram> s/x[abc]?/BLAH/
[15:21:03] <crutchy> hmm
[15:20:51] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[15:20:51] <crutchy> sedbot2 here sorry :-d
[15:20:48] <Bytram> ABC123xyzzy
[15:20:40] <Bytram> let's start over :)
[15:20:23] <Bytram> sedbot: s/any/some/
[15:20:06] <crutchy> i think gotta do SedBot: s/...
[15:20:01] <Bytram> anyway
[15:20:01] <ciri> Yes, diet sodas taste strange.
[15:19:59] <Bytram> strange.
[15:19:49] <Bytram> :/
[15:19:42] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[15:19:42] <Bytram> okay, sedbot retains the *original* line, not just the modified one, here.
[15:19:23] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcdefghijX
[15:19:22] <Bytram> s/k/X/
[15:19:11] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcdeXghijk
[15:19:10] <Bytram> s/f/X/
[15:19:06] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcXefghijk
[15:19:06] <Bytram> s/d/X/
[15:19:02] <Bytram> abcdefghijk
[15:18:54] <Bytram> hmmmm.
[15:18:34] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 12345abBLAHbcdefgklm12345
[15:18:34] <Bytram> s/cd?/BLAH/
[15:18:33] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 12345abBLAHbcdefgklm12345
[15:18:32] <Bytram> s/cd?/BLAH/
[15:18:30] <Bytram> 12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:18:15] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 12345abBLAHbcdefgklm12345
[15:18:14] <Bytram> s/cd?/BLAH/
[15:17:50] <Bytram> 12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:17:48] <Bytram> and one more quantifier:
[15:17:34] <crutchy> ahh
[15:17:26] <Bytram> the '+' matches: *one* or more instances of the pattern
[15:17:22] <crutchy> oh
[15:17:14] <Bytram> the '*' matches: zero or more instances of the pattern
[15:17:12] <crutchy> that one kinda made sense
[15:16:50] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 12345abBLAHbcdefgklm12345
[15:16:50] <Bytram> s/[c-e]+/BLAH/
[15:16:45] <Bytram> 12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:16:44] <crutchy> hmm lost me there
[15:16:19] <SedBot2> <Bytram> BLAH12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:16:19] <Bytram> s/[c-e]*/BLAH/
[15:16:13] <crutchy> 12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:16:03] <Bytram> 12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:16:01] <Bytram> =)
[15:15:54] <crutchy> :-)
[15:15:47] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 12345abcbBLAHefgklm12345
[15:15:46] <crutchy> s/[c-e]{2}/BLAH/
[15:15:07] <crutchy> 12345abcbcdefgklm12345
[15:14:12] <crutchy> 12345abcde12345
[15:13:42] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 12345ab--e12345
[15:13:42] <crutchy> s/[c-e]{2}/--/
[15:13:00] <crutchy> 12345abcde12345
[15:12:55] * janrinok|lurking notes he has that effect on people.....
[15:12:38] <Bytram> brb
[15:12:32] <janrinok|lurking> hi
[15:12:27] <Bytram> janrinok|lurking: g'day!
[15:12:25] * mrcoolbp doesn't reccommend regex lessons first thing in the mornin
[15:12:24] <Bytram> I needs a refresh, too. back in a min
[15:12:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:12:03] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I was trying but I'm going to need a bigger cup of coffee
[15:11:50] <janrinok|lurking> hi mrcoolbp , crutchy, Bytram
[15:11:35] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: have you been following along?
[15:11:24] <mrcoolbp> I can see that
[15:11:18] <crutchy> we're having a regex lesson :-D
[15:11:12] <mrcoolbp> g'day!
[15:11:09] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp
[15:11:08] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: g'day!
[15:11:02] mrcool|livingthedream is now known as mrcoolbp
[15:11:00] <Bytram> now there are modifiers which manipulate how *many* times something has to match
[15:10:52] <crutchy> letter kinda == character for me most of the time :-d
[15:10:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 414
[15:10:41] <mrcool|livingthedream> coffee++
[15:10:28] <Bytram> oy, np!
[15:10:08] <SedBot2> <Bytram> X23 this that these those
[15:10:08] <Bytram> s/./X/
[15:10:06] <crutchy> yeah sorry
[15:10:05] <Bytram> 123 this that these those
[15:09:57] <Bytram> actually, '.' is any single *character*
[15:09:43] <crutchy> yup
[15:09:43] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:09:40] <crutchy> . is any single letter
[15:09:38] <Bytram> the '.' matches any single character, and the first one that matched was the first char on the line.
[15:09:18] <SedBot2> <Butrim> Xhis that these those
[15:09:17] <Bytram> s/./X/
[15:09:14] * SedBot2 offers Batrim a /
[15:09:14] <Bytram> s/./X
[15:09:09] <crutchy> yup
[15:09:07] <Bytram> this that these those
[15:09:04] <Bytram> okay, back to the lesson... =)
[15:08:51] * Bytram will have to remember that one! thanks!
[15:08:49] <crutchy> lol i think it was on ol' hax0rz
[15:08:36] <crutchy> i've seen xlefay use the .quiet command
[15:08:26] <Bytram> I can prolly kick 'em if you'd like.
[15:08:20] <crutchy> i don't mind it but i know it does bother some
[15:08:12] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:08:06] <crutchy> nah its arti's
[15:07:57] <Bytram> crutchy: ciri is yours?
[15:07:43] <crutchy> .quiet ciri
[15:07:34] <ciri> I should be like ciri, but everyone will just say themightybuzzard, we talked for a big chunk of ukraine again.
[15:07:33] <Bytram> this that these those
[15:07:29] <Bytram> might take a few; hold on
[15:07:18] <Bytram> examples are easiest
[15:07:05] <crutchy> oh
[15:06:58] <crutchy> you've taught me heaps already
[15:06:49] <Bytram> not quite
[15:06:47] <crutchy> that's ok :-D
[15:06:40] <crutchy> so the * means any part of the string
[15:06:39] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, it's simple, but not easy. :/
[15:06:18] <Bytram> parens are used to group parts of the input that you want to be able to reference
[15:05:36] <crutchy> crap hy head is spinning
[15:05:09] <Bytram> ta dah!!!
[15:05:06] <Bytram> ta ah!!!
[15:04:59] <crutchy> so the \1 corresponds to first () and \2 corresponds to 2nd
[15:04:57] <SedBot2> <Bytram> ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
[15:04:57] <Bytram> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)(.*)/\3/
[15:04:54] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
[15:04:52] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
[15:04:52] <Bytram> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)(.*)/\2/
[15:04:50] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
[15:04:47] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234567890
[15:04:47] <Bytram> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)(.*)/\1/
[15:04:39] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
[15:04:27] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
[15:04:26] <Bytram> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)(.*)/\2\1\2\2\1\3/
[15:04:17] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
[15:03:56] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz12345678901234567890
[15:03:56] <Bytram> s/([0-9]*)([a-z]*)([0-9]*)/\2\1\2\2\1\3/
[15:03:03] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[15:03:01] <crutchy> oh
[15:02:59] <Bytram> watch this one...
[15:02:55] <Bytram> it is whatever matched the 1st parenthesized expression.
[15:02:51] <crutchy> or whatever chr(1) is
[15:02:39] <crutchy> is that a null
[15:02:29] <crutchy> what's the \1?
[15:01:56] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234567890_XabcdeabcdeabcdeX_fghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[15:01:55] <Bytram> s/([a-z]{5})/_X\1\1\1X_/
[15:01:55] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 00000000000000000000000000
[15:01:55] <crutchy> s/[a-z]{2}/00/g
[15:01:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 3D Artist Sparks Large Debate - http://sylnt.us - Venus-Envy
[15:01:47] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[15:01:38] <crutchy> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
[15:01:37] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234567890abcdeX_fghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[15:01:37] <Bytram> s/([a-z]{5})/\1X_/
[15:01:34] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[15:01:32] <Bytram> bad example... hold on
[15:01:02] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234567890abcdeX_fghijX_klmnoX_pqrstX_uvwxyX_z1234567890
[15:01:02] <Bytram> s/([a-z]{5})/\1X_/g
[15:00:53] <crutchy> ?
[15:00:51] <crutchy> can't use a regex in the replacey bit
[15:00:47] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[15:00:32] <crutchy> oops
[15:00:31] <crutchy> lol
[15:00:27] <SedBot2> <crutchy> [A-Z]a[A-Z]b[A-Z]c[A-Z]d[A-Z]e
[15:00:27] <crutchy> s/[0-9]/[A-Z]/g
[15:00:18] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 1234567890X_X_X_X_X_z1234567890
[15:00:18] <Bytram> s/[a-z]{5}/X_/g
[14:59:58] <Bytram> 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890
[14:59:58] <crutchy> 0a1b2c3d4e
[14:59:20] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 000000000Xdef00000000
[14:59:20] <Bytram> s/[a-c]{3}/X/
[14:59:02] <Bytram> 000000000abcdef00000000
[14:58:56] <crutchy> who would have thought regex could be fun
[14:58:50] <Bytram> 000000000aaa00000000
[14:58:43] <crutchy> :-)
[14:58:36] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 000000000BLAHa00000000
[14:58:36] <crutchy> s/[a]{2}/BLAH/
[14:58:17] <crutchy> 000000000aaa00000000
[14:58:06] <SedBot2> <crutchy> 00000000000000000000
[14:58:05] <crutchy> s/[a]/0/g
[14:57:50] <crutchy> 000000000aaa00000000
[14:57:38] <Bytram> crutchy: nod nod; you get the idea!
[14:57:17] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcABCdefABCABC0ghi
[14:57:16] <Bytram> s/[0-9]{3}/ABC/g
[14:57:15] <Bytram> abc123def4567890ghi
[14:57:02] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcABCdefABCghi
[14:57:02] <Bytram> s/[0-9]{3}/ABC/g
[14:56:43] <Bytram> abc123def456ghi
[14:56:40] <crutchy> oops one too many time parts :-P
[14:56:29] <Bytram> ta dah!
[14:55:59] <crutchy> ^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} is to make sure the first part of line line matches 0000-00-00 00:00:00 where the 0 can be any number between 0 and 9
[14:55:49] <ciri> ${$_[0]} =~ S[([^\n\r\t$http_referer\t !-~])][ _charsetconvert(ord($1), $constants)]ge.
[14:55:47] <SedBot2> <Bytram> th_s th_t th_s_ th_s_
[14:55:47] <Bytram> s/[aeiou]/_/g
[14:55:21] <SedBot2> <Bytram> thXs that thXse thXse
[14:55:21] <Bytram> s/th.s/thXs/g
[14:55:18] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:55:13] <SedBot2> <Bytram> thXs that these those
[14:55:13] <Bytram> s/th.s/thXs/
[14:55:10] <crutchy> that big regex is making sense
[14:54:54] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:54:36] <Bytram> nod nod!!!!
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[14:54:23] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this That These Those
[14:54:22] <Bytram> s/ t/ T/g
[14:54:18] <crutchy> ?
[14:54:15] <crutchy> and the {4} was any 4 chars
[14:54:08] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:54:06] <crutchy> yeah
[14:53:59] <Bytram> so, the period matches any, single, character
[14:53:46] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 82
[14:53:46] <Bytram> crutchy++
[14:53:33] <SedBot2> <crutchy> this that these blah
[14:53:33] <crutchy> s/t..se$/blah/
[14:53:07] <crutchy> this that these those
[14:53:04] <SedBot2> <Bytram> abcs that these those
[14:53:04] <Bytram> s/^.../abc/
[14:52:54] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that these stuff
[14:52:54] <Bytram> s/t....$/stuff/
[14:52:44] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:52:41] <Bytram> I confused you with that one, but now watch this:
[14:52:41] <crutchy> ah yeah i think i got that one
[14:52:16] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that these stuff
[14:52:16] <Bytram> s/t.{4}$/stuff/
[14:51:57] <crutchy> ah yeah... right up to the end
[14:51:47] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:51:41] <Bytram> everything up to the '$' has to match.
[14:51:30] <crutchy> hmm gotta be a whole word
[14:51:26] <Bytram> see the difference?
[14:51:17] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that these hose
[14:51:17] <Bytram> s/those$/hose/
[14:51:05] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:51:00] <crutchy> thought it might've changed those to hose
[14:50:59] <Bytram> hrmmm, not working for me either.
[14:50:42] <Bytram> s/th$/h/
[14:50:37] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:50:22] <crutchy> s/th$/h/
[14:50:16] <crutchy> this that these those
[14:50:10] <crutchy> lol
[14:50:06] <Bytram> since THIS pattern LACKED the $, it was NOT required to match the end-of-line, and so it found the first place that matched the text.
[14:50:01] <crutchy> Bytram: s/th$/h/
[14:49:32] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that theught those
[14:49:32] <Bytram> s/se/ught/
[14:49:17] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:49:12] <Bytram> cause it matched with the '$' yup!
[14:49:06] <SedBot2> <crutchy> ah it took the second one (at the end)
[14:49:06] <crutchy> s/nd/cond/
[14:48:59] <crutchy> ah it took the send one (at the end)
[14:48:34] <SedBot2> <Bytram> this that these thought
[14:48:34] <Bytram> s/se$/ught/
[14:48:20] <Bytram> this that these those
[14:48:06] <Bytram> regexps are *powerful*!!!!
[14:47:52] <Bytram> sure is!
[14:47:44] <crutchy> oh cool
[14:47:33] <SedBot2> <Bytram> whatever's another example that has the word here in a couple of places here
[14:47:33] <Bytram> s/here/whatever/
[14:47:21] <SedBot2> <Bytram> there's another example that has the word here in a couple of places here
[14:47:20] <Bytram> s/^here/there/
[14:47:06] <crutchy> i do now :-D
[14:47:04] <SedBot2> <Bytram> here's another example that has the word here in a couple of places where?
[14:47:04] <Bytram> s/here$/where?/
[14:46:59] <crutchy> err. nope :-p
[14:46:56] <Bytram> here's another example that has the word here in a couple of places here
[14:46:41] <Bytram> and, did you know that "$" matches the *end* of the line?
[14:46:28] <Bytram> kewel!
[14:46:24] <Bytram> here's another example that has the word here in a couple of places here.
[14:46:21] <crutchy> yeah got the caret being indicate the start of the line
[14:46:03] <Bytram> np
[14:45:59] <crutchy> lol sorry
[14:45:47] <Bytram> anyway, as I was saying!
[14:45:42] * Bytram has no idea if that will work, but will try it for now.
[14:45:28] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Bytram] by juggler
[14:45:28] <Bytram> .deop
[14:45:26] <Bytram> lol!
[14:45:24] <crutchy> i think there's a quiet command
[14:45:22] -!- mode/#Soylent [-v ciri] by juggler
[14:45:22] <Bytram> .devoice ciri
[14:45:16] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Bytram] by juggler
[14:45:16] <Bytram> .op
[14:45:10] <crutchy> lol
[14:45:06] * Bytram is tempted to banhammer ciri
[14:44:50] <Bytram> so, instead of matching characters that appear anywhere in the record, it says that we have to start matching right from the very beginning.
[14:44:49] <ciri> Prefers the man woman ratio of the organisation becomes structurally taller i suppose. But i work in delphi's vcl.
[14:44:47] <crutchy> you are a very patient man :-D
[14:44:17] <Bytram> we'll get through it; easy peasy!
[14:44:07] <Bytram> the "^" is just a pattern that matches the very beginning point of the record to be matched.
[14:44:07] <crutchy> that regex looks ghastly
[14:43:46] <Bytram> here's some simple stuff...
[14:43:31] <Bytram> good!
[14:43:28] <crutchy> k
[14:43:20] <Bytram> ^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$
[14:43:20] <Bytram> so the *value* of line_re is a string whose contents are:
[14:42:42] <Bytram> yes
[14:42:41] <Bytram> iow, foo = "bar"; means assign a string whose contents are the letters "b" "a" and "r" to the variable named foo.
[14:42:21] <crutchy> a literal string
[14:42:10] <crutchy> that makes sense
[14:42:06] <crutchy> yup
[14:41:14] <Bytram> okay?
[14:41:11] <Bytram> so that leaves us with: ^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$
[14:40:59] <Bytram> the quotes just define the limits of a string.
[14:40:53] <crutchy> yup
[14:40:38] <Bytram> which is: line_re="^[0-9]{4}-[0-9]{2}-[0-9]{2} [0-9]{2}:[0-9]{2} <([^>]*)> (.*)$";
[14:40:21] <Bytram> the sed command I issued gets matched against 'line_re'
[14:39:57] <SedBot2> <Bytram> let's, for the sake of example, use this line right here...
[14:39:57] <Bytram> s/ for/, for/
[14:39:40] <Bytram> let's for the sake of example, use this line right here...
[14:39:34] <crutchy> k
[14:39:00] <Bytram> if the incoming record matches the line_re var, then the code on lines 21-23 gets executed.
[14:38:16] <Bytram> so, on the VERY FIRST time through, with the very first incoming record, line == ""
[14:37:48] <crutchy> mkay cool
[14:37:40] <Bytram> by default, variables in awk have an initial value of a null string: ""
[14:37:39] <crutchy> that big, ugly, thing
[14:37:10] <Bytram> yup!
[14:37:04] <crutchy> i think so. its gotta match that regex pattern
[14:36:31] <Bytram> if, and only if, there was a match on line 20 does there get a value assigned to the 'line' variable. got that?
[14:36:10] <crutchy> that's why my little exec experiment didn't work
[14:35:55] <Bytram> nodnod
[14:35:47] <crutchy> looks like the script must stay open to retain the last_line array
[14:35:34] <Bytram> ok, np
[14:35:31] <Bytram> ugh.
[14:35:27] <crutchy> i suck
[14:35:23] <Bytram> btw, how are you with regexp's?
[14:35:07] <Bytram> back
[14:34:58] <crutchy> hmm think i'm starting to get it. line 54 looks like where it assigns the last line for each user in the last_line array
[14:32:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 413
[14:32:34] <crutchy> coffee++ definitely :-D
[14:32:24] <Bytram> i needs to drain some, brb. k?
[14:32:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 412
[14:32:16] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:32:08] <Bytram> np
[14:32:06] <crutchy> sorry :-d
[14:31:59] <Bytram> crutchy: whoah! slow down!!!! you're jumping ahead!
[14:31:59] <crutchy> looks like last_line is an array?
[14:31:38] <crutchy> trying to figure out how it constructs that
[14:31:25] <crutchy> line 49
[14:31:08] <Bytram> where?
[14:31:00] <crutchy> the newline var is the kicker
[14:30:53] <Bytram> from what I can tell, though....
[14:30:46] <crutchy> so far so good :-)
[14:30:44] <Bytram> now it's a little iffy for me here, as I said I'm not experienced with gensub
[14:30:22] <Bytram> and then assigns a value to the 'line' variable.
[14:30:00] <Bytram> if it DOES match, the it extracts the 'user' from the incoming record (the stuff between the '<' and'>' chars)
[14:29:31] <Bytram> if it DOES NOT match line_re, then the incoming record is ignored on line 20.
[14:28:54] <Bytram> the line_re var is defined in line 12 which basically makes sure the line coming in has a date-time stamp, a usernick (within '<' and '>') and then whatever follows that
[14:28:05] <Bytram> crutchy: yes, the records that come in from the tail command! you got it!
[14:27:55] <Bytram> it says that: "If the incoming line (i.e. what is in $0) matches (that's the tilde ~) the contents of the variable line_re (which is a regexp for matching lines that sedbot is interested in, THEN it performs the steps that are olinsted in lines 21-23
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[14:27:35] <crutchy> from tail
[14:27:28] <crutchy> maybe the pipe in?
[14:27:14] <crutchy> that $0 is something to do with the command line i'm guessing
[14:26:41] <crutchy> k
[14:26:35] <Bytram> line 20 is where the action starts.
[14:26:27] <crutchy> think so
[14:26:15] <Bytram> crutchy: ^^^
[14:25:55] <Bytram> got that so far?
[14:25:51] <Bytram> the BEGIN block on lines 10-19 define things, basically, as soon as awk starts up the program, but before any records are processed.
[14:25:03] <Bytram> lines 2 and 6 define functions for later use; they are instantiated as soon as awk loads this program
[14:24:41] <Bytram> line 1: standard unix syntax to identify the program which runs this
[14:24:15] <Bytram> here's a quick summary... bear with me, k?
[14:23:50] <Bytram> hold on....
[14:23:35] <crutchy> with those gensubs working on line_re
[14:23:06] <crutchy> so it starts out as $0 -> line_re -> line?
[14:20:39] <Bytram> crutchy: in the variable: line
[14:17:59] <crutchy> i think the script needs to stay open to remember previous lines? fiik how/where it stores them though :-/
[14:17:28] <crutchy> damn. i'm not getting it
[14:13:25] <ciri> Mainly because i thought it would also be ideal if your tt-rss brings up interesting, it was bitrot that broke it.
[14:13:23] <crutchy> ah figured out why my test might have failed
[14:13:19] <Bytram> notice that it is, effectively, case-insensitive
[14:13:04] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[14:13:04] <Bytram> SeDbOT
[14:12:59] <Bytram> that came from line 53 of the 54-line awk script.
[14:12:19] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[14:12:19] <Bytram> sedbot
[14:09:55] <crutchy> ^ restored terminal command
[14:09:38] <SedBot2> <crutchy> ~rehash
[14:09:38] <crutchy> s/load/hash/
[14:09:30] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[14:09:28] <crutchy> ~reload
[14:09:06] <Bytram> s/test/fail/
[14:09:04] <crutchy> might try some more in terminal
[14:09:03] <Bytram> testing
[14:08:56] <crutchy> hmm guess not
[14:08:46] <Bytram> crutchy: s/bot/bottom/
[14:08:30] <crutchy> sedbot
[14:08:23] <crutchy> s/load/hash/
[14:08:14] <Bytram> since sedbot.awk has no exit statement, it just acts like a spin loop, upon receipt of an incoming record, it decides what processing it should do on it, if any, does it, and then waits for the next record of input.
[14:08:02] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[14:08:01] <crutchy> ~reload
[14:07:57] <crutchy> not sure if this will work
[14:06:46] <Bytram> awk just sits there taking input from, in this case, STDIN, and keeps processing each incoming record until it either decides to exit or it runs out of input (i.e. gets an EOF)
[14:06:29] * crutchy is adding an exec alias
[14:06:04] <Bytram> nod nod, you got it!
[14:05:46] <crutchy> cos i couldn't figure out what keeps the awk script open except maybe the tail itself
[14:05:46] <Bytram> ugh!
[14:05:27] <crutchy> i'm wondering if i can replace tail with an echo %%trailing%% from exec, called on every line
[14:04:14] <crutchy> ah yep
[14:03:53] <Bytram> defined in line 6
[14:03:43] <Bytram> and there's a taunt returned by the "tauntuser(u)" function
[14:03:25] <crutchy> lol
[14:03:20] * SedBot2 tosses a / to Batrum
[14:03:20] <Bytram> s/test/tha
[14:03:06] <Bytram> s/test/that/
[14:02:43] <Bytram> bingo
[14:02:41] <crutchy> :-d
[14:02:38] <crutchy> lol tailpipe
[14:02:37] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:02:31] <crutchy> the tail is piped to the script
[14:01:48] <Bytram> right?
[14:01:44] <Bytram> okay, so now that you know what the tail command does, you now know what is being fed as input to 'sedbot.awk'
[14:01:08] <crutchy> :-)
[14:01:03] <crutchy> did that before. works well
[14:01:01] <Bytram> the tail command, I meant
[14:00:51] <Bytram> crutchy: just open a terminal window, paste that line in there, and you'll see what's happening!
[14:00:39] <crutchy> and the n1 is 1 line only
[14:00:31] <crutchy> yeah
[14:00:17] <Bytram> so, to my reading, that 'F'ollows the output of the 'file' (which in this case is the output of that pipe, and does not crap out if it is not there, and keeps retrying, and outputs each line as it appears.
[14:00:10] <crutchy> not sure how it could be used though
[13:59:29] <crutchy> the --pid arg looks interesting
[13:59:07] <crutchy> ooh
[13:58:21] * crutchy tried it just to see
[13:58:19] <Bytram> see: http://linux.die.net
[13:58:01] <crutchy> which i think just follows the last line
[13:57:50] <crutchy> tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out
[13:57:50] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:57:49] <crutchy> sedbot uses
[13:57:22] <Bytram> at its simplest, tail is a posix command that either produces the last 'n' chars/lines/whatever of a file, or can 'F'ollow a file as it changes and output the new records as they come
[13:57:04] <crutchy> you could have a million scripts all going through the same client
[13:56:33] <crutchy> looks pretty cool actually :-)
[13:56:22] <Bytram> ok
[13:56:16] <crutchy> there's a file structure for channels etc
[13:56:06] <crutchy> me too, but seems to be just pipe for input and file for output
[13:55:35] <crutchy> i thought maybe i could drive them both from the one exec process
[13:55:04] * Bytram is totally unfamiliar with ii
[13:54:45] <crutchy> ii and tail/gawk
[13:54:33] <crutchy> what makes sedbot a bit hard is that it uses two processes
[13:54:14] <crutchy> it was just an experiment cos i suggested putting sedbot on SN server (boron or whatever it is)
[13:53:50] <Bytram> oh, I now see that it's by "FoobarBazbot" -- sorry for the misdirected comment on lack of comments!
[13:53:25] <crutchy> not to worry
[13:52:58] <crutchy> yeah that awk stuff is way over my head
[13:52:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:52:38] <crutchy> echo 'blaah' > ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[13:52:37] <crutchy> the command for that was
[13:52:35] <Bytram> I also note the use of gensub which I have not yet made use of. :(
[13:52:06] <SedBot2> blaah
[13:52:05] <crutchy> ~sedbot-talk blaah
[13:51:28] * Bytram notes there are some wicked-looking regexps in that there code
[13:51:07] <Bytram> crutchy: ummm, let me suggest that a "#" followed by text is considered a comment. :D
[13:50:46] <crutchy> %%trailing%% is replaced with whatever you type after the ~sedbot-talk
[13:50:26] <crutchy> can definitely access that file, cos the ~sedbot-talk command is 'echo %%trailing%% > ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in'
[13:49:37] <crutchy> /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in: fifo (named pipe)
[13:49:03] <Bytram> crutchy: try this command: file ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[13:48:52] <crutchy> only diff as far as i can tell is that exec prepends shell commands with 'exec ', but i tried that in terminal and it worked too
[13:48:00] <crutchy> not sure if its the way exec runs things or something awky or whatnot
[13:47:44] <crutchy> if i run it under a gnome terminal it works ok though
[13:47:29] <crutchy> that file exists, but i dunno why it gives that error
[13:47:06] <ciri> Newp. Man page only mentions http, https://github.com outfile=~/irc/juggs.
[13:47:05] <crutchy> gawk: /home/jared/irc/sedbot.awk:3: (FILENAME=- FNR=5) fatal: can't redirect to `~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in' (No such file or directory)
[13:46:49] <crutchy> sedbot
[13:46:42] <exec> [22578] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out | ~/irc/sedbot.awk outfile=~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[13:46:41] <exec> [20830] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[13:46:40] <crutchy> ~ps
[13:46:27] <crutchy> ~sedbot-awk
[13:46:14] <crutchy> but it bombs under exec. i'll see if i can get the error
[13:45:51] <crutchy> so that's the only bit of code that's channel-specific
[13:45:34] <crutchy> i've figured out that line 11 isn't required if you declare it in the shell command
[13:45:06] <crutchy> https://github.com
[13:44:44] <Bytram> crutchy: linky?
[13:44:23] * Bytram is almost afraid to ask, but whacha got?
[13:44:05] <Bytram> ;)
[13:43:43] <Bytram> o shit
[13:43:39] <crutchy> oh cool
[13:43:29] <Bytram> crutchy: I'm pretty handy with gawk
[13:43:18] <crutchy> yeah
[13:43:09] <Bytram> so, if I am reading things right... you can have sedbot2 join under any name you want and have it send messages on your behalf, as if it came from someone else?
[13:42:59] * crutchy doesn't know awk
[13:42:36] <crutchy> only thing i'm having trouble getting to work under exec is the awk script :-/
[13:42:03] <crutchy> exec is running ii, which is connected as SedBot2
[13:41:42] <Bytram> =)
[13:41:39] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <SedBot2> hi Crutchy
[13:41:39] <Bytram> SedBot2: s/Bytram/Crutchy/
[13:41:13] <SedBot2> hi Bytram
[13:41:13] <crutchy> ~sedbot-talk hi Bytram
[13:41:06] <crutchy> oops
[13:40:48] <exec> [20830] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[13:40:46] <crutchy> ~ps
[13:40:40] <Bytram> yanno, if you're not careful, pretty soon you'll make sedbot turing complete and we'll start writing programs for it! =)
[13:40:39] <crutchy> hmm
[13:40:25] <crutchy> ~sedbot-say hi Bytram
[13:40:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:40:00] <crutchy> i don't think chromas_ is home yet
[13:39:42] <Bytram> I see chromas_ is here... any word on how things are with monopoly?
[13:39:35] <crutchy> i'm mucking around with sedbot
[13:39:02] <crutchy> lol
[13:38:56] <Bytram> yeah, I just joined it... didn't even know it was there!
[13:38:36] <crutchy> channel #
[13:38:31] <Bytram> in "#"?
[13:38:16] <Bytram> that could be dangerous, but you likes it like that, no?
[13:38:04] <crutchy> in #
[13:37:54] <crutchy> i been tinkering :-d
[13:37:45] <Bytram> lol!
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[13:37:35] <Bytram> hmmm, under the ~weather, eh? ;)
[13:37:17] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[13:37:14] <Bytram> ~wether crutchy
[13:37:10] <Bytram> how's things?
[13:37:06] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day!
[13:36:58] <crutchy> hi Bytram
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[13:33:04] <crutchy> i'm so not an awk guy :-/
[13:29:20] <crutchy> dammit
[13:29:06] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:28:22] <crutchy> sedbot
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[13:14:02] <SedBot2> hello
[13:07:05] <crutchy> managed to get the #soylent stuff out of the awk file at least, so joining channels will be easier
[13:06:26] <SedBot2> <crutchy> sexbot
[13:06:26] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[13:06:18] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:06:18] <crutchy> sedbot
[13:04:12] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:04:12] <crutchy> sedbot
[13:04:02] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:03:14] <crutchy> sedbot
[13:02:57] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[13:00:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mount Rainier Showing Signs Eruption May Come Soon(ish) - http://sylnt.us - Meet-me-right-here-cos-I-don't-wanna-go
[12:59:14] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[12:59:01] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[12:58:42] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[12:56:35] <crutchy> sedbot
[12:55:33] <crutchy> hmm
[12:55:28] <SedBot2> <crutchy> sexbot
[12:55:28] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[12:55:04] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[12:55:04] <crutchy> sedbot
[12:51:43] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[12:50:13] <crutchy> sedbot
[12:49:52] <crutchy> s/e/oa/
[12:45:37] <crutchy> s/e/oa/
[12:45:27] <crutchy> test
[12:44:40] <crutchy> test
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[12:38:06] <crutchy> s/e/oa/
[12:36:42] <crutchy> s/e/oa/
[12:36:35] <crutchy> test
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[11:11:44] <crutchy> dafuq?
[11:00:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Phone Calls While Driving may be Not as Risky as Thought - http://sylnt.us - what-about-google-glasses? || Four-Winged Dinosaur is 'Biggest Ever' - http://sylnt.us - 100-Wings
[10:59:38] <Bender> Added quote 210
[10:59:38] <crutchy> !grab ciri
[10:59:16] <crutchy> yes. yes you are :-d
[10:59:07] <crutchy> lol
[10:59:01] <ciri> Is having fun datamining.
[10:58:59] <crutchy> haf fun
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[10:43:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i'm out. going in search of massive flathead catfish today.
[10:42:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> combined with ps -AF and the appropriate grep
[10:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> awk '{print $3}' is all you need
[10:41:26] <crutchy> yeah i found one with awk. really should learn that one day i guess. grep and awk are jibberish to me :-/
[10:40:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, grep and awk i expect
[10:40:09] <SedBot2> <TheMightyBuzzard> kohi o nonde imasu
[10:40:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/ e / o /
[10:39:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> kohi e nonde imasu
[10:39:34] <crutchy> any idea what the easiest way to get child pids of a process are? i'm using "ps f" output, but i have to parse the output
[10:38:25] <Bender> karma - kohi: 1
[10:38:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> kohi++
[10:38:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> 珈琲++
[10:20:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 411
[10:20:09] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:19:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 410
[10:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
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[09:46:21] <crutchy> trying to make a ~kill alias, but haven't yet figured out how to prevent defunct processes
[09:44:06] <chromas_> Yours was better
[09:44:02] <crutchy> lol
[09:43:54] <chromas_> Aw
[09:43:51] <chromas_> From the peas-cause-cancer-oh-wait-new-study-says-otherwise felt
[09:43:49] <crutchy> from the hand-free-kit-sales-dept.
[09:41:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Phone Calls While Driving Maybe Not as Risky as Thought - http://sylnt.us - what-about-google-glasses?
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[08:49:43] <crutchy> night mrcool|livingthedream
[08:43:46] mrcoolbp is now known as mrcool|livingthedream
[08:42:52] <mrcoolbp> g'night all
[08:42:34] <bryan> mrcoolbp: night :)
[08:42:33] * arti salutes
[08:42:25] <mrcoolbp> arti: and you as well good sir.
[08:42:14] <mrcoolbp> (and others)
[08:42:11] <arti> alright, sir. take care
[08:42:07] <mrcoolbp> bryan: thanks for the input on the server costs
[08:41:54] * mrcoolbp resolves to consider sleep
[08:41:49] <arti> baby wipes
[08:41:44] <mrcoolbp> ah yes
[08:41:36] <arti> it can, see spices.
[08:41:28] <mrcoolbp> doesn't hurt
[08:41:21] <arti> i think a good way to learn a culture is their food :D
[08:40:54] <mrcoolbp> arti: but that is the cool part, learning a language for real is learning their culture
[08:40:51] * arti nods
[08:40:23] <arti> "what you just said there, we've got a word for that"
[08:40:21] <mrcoolbp> yeah, and the native speakers will never understand when you are like "yo, WTF, it's just a table, WTF is it a female??!?!?!"
[08:40:10] <arti> one thing i like about languages though is how terse they can be
[08:39:50] <arti> english is like german made easy
[08:39:44] <arti> it's kinda weird for sure
[08:39:35] * mrcoolbp hates the gender thing
[08:39:24] <arti> one thing that sucked ass learning german was the genders
[08:39:09] <mrcoolbp> I can say thank you in 30 languages
[08:39:05] <arti> nice!
[08:38:58] * mrcoolbp speaks spanish and portugese pretty well though
[08:38:39] <arti> UHhhh
[08:38:39] <mrcoolbp> heh
[08:38:30] <arti> "alright 1st 3rd and 7th are exceptions, and are you dealing with a flat object, or is this a person"
[08:38:28] <mrcoolbp> multiple systems depending on the shape of the object
[08:38:15] <mrcoolbp> yes
[08:38:09] <arti> i remember counting systems being terrible
[08:37:58] <arti> to drink
[08:37:52] <arti> nomimasu = drink
[08:37:50] <mrcoolbp> ah yes
[08:37:44] <arti> food is tabemono
[08:37:42] <mrcoolbp> nonde is drink
[08:37:41] <arti> yes
[08:37:31] <mrcoolbp> tabete means eat I think, I know nuthin' of tenses in japanese
[08:35:34] <arti> man, that took far too long
[08:35:22] <arti> http://japanese.about.com
[08:35:13] <arti> its called te
[08:35:11] <arti> te form
[08:35:08] <mrcoolbp> well I need to get to sleep, It's 4 and a half o-clock here
[08:34:39] * mrcoolbp gives up
[08:34:24] <mrcoolbp> ~weather mrcoolbp
[08:33:35] <mrcoolbp> ~restart
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[08:33:17] <mrcoolbp> = (
[08:33:09] <mrcoolbp> ~weather mrcoolbp
[08:33:08] <arti> well maybe more
[08:32:58] <mrcoolbp> ~time mrcoolbp
[08:32:42] <mrcoolbp> I'll play with it later when I'm more awake
[08:32:39] <arti> with regards to the dictionaries, it's like you have either stroke or radical
[08:32:25] <mrcoolbp> nice
[08:32:09] <bryan> i was always confused by jim breen's newer dictionaries (after he learned kanji) so i used his older romanji version that was still under GPL
[08:30:55] <mrcoolbp> cool
[08:30:55] <crutchy> sushio yukio
[08:30:48] <bryan> i made a japanese<->english dictionary app: http://zwin.org
[08:30:44] <SedBot2> <mrcoolbp> sushi wa oishi desu yo!
[08:30:44] <mrcoolbp> s/des/desu/
[08:30:41] <arti> hahaha
[08:30:34] <mrcoolbp> sushi wa oishi des yo!
[08:30:05] <arti> dozoyoroshiku
[08:29:54] <ciri> Lol surely we can last before we went full circle lol.
[08:29:53] <crutchy> lol
[08:29:52] <arti> boku no artidesu :D
[08:29:44] * mrcoolbp hangs head in shame and considers harakari
[08:29:32] <crutchy> huji maimushita
[08:29:21] <arti> desu, de
[08:29:01] <arti> there are a few 'forms'
[08:28:57] <arti> let me see what this is called
[08:28:49] <mrcoolbp> oh
[08:28:46] <arti> it isn't always used though
[08:27:56] <arti> yes
[08:27:51] <mrcoolbp> "ka" is a spoken "?"
[08:27:24] <mrcoolbp> arti: replace "?" with: "ka"
[08:26:46] * mrcoolbp notes "sukoshi" sounds like "skosh" which means "a little" in japanese/english respectively
[08:26:39] <arti> i've forgotten so much, i gave up with kanji
[08:26:07] <arti> d'ya like me (iirc)
[08:26:06] <bryan> mine's only because i watch too much anime, kinda starts to rub off
[08:25:44] <mrcoolbp> sukida*
[08:25:29] * mrcoolbp doesn't know "sudkida"
[08:25:13] <arti> anata wa sukida?
[08:25:10] <mrcoolbp> Bryan: yes, a bit
[08:25:00] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: bryan: do you speak japanese?
[08:24:43] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: I can speak a little, but I"m sure I didn't write that correctly
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[08:24:42] <crutchy> ~part
[08:24:35] <arti> asking of he speaks moonspeak
[08:24:31] <crutchy> pfft
[08:24:28] <arti> lol
[08:24:25] <exec> [google translate] nihongoga hanashimaska (auto -> en): nihongoga hanashimaska
[08:24:23] <crutchy> ~translate en nihongoga hanashimaska
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[08:24:10] <mrcoolbp> nice.
[08:24:01] <bryan> ee, sukoshi desu
[08:23:58] <crutchy> ~translate en nihongoga hanashimaska
[08:23:38] <mrcoolbp> bryan: nihongoga hanashimaska?
[08:23:15] <mrcoolbp> and yuki
[08:23:12] <bryan> hai hai
[08:23:07] * mrcoolbp sees yuzu
[08:23:00] <mrcoolbp> bryan: are the server names japanese?
[08:22:27] <bryan> someone's probably going to need to archive the thing at some point, before it ends up like freshmeat
[08:21:40] <mrcoolbp> bryan, not sure, maybe
[08:21:22] * mrcoolbp has more stats if people want to know
[08:21:22] <bryan> like the whole thing
[08:21:18] <bryan> you think slash would ban my ip if i tried to crawl slashdot.org?
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[08:19:18] <mrcoolbp> . /violence
[08:19:07] <SedBot2> <crutchy> they're all hitting on each other. that's why SN is getting so many hits
[08:19:06] <crutchy> s/each/on each/
[08:18:58] <crutchy> they're all hitting each other. that's why SN is getting so many hits
[08:18:47] <mrcoolbp> automagically fixes everything
[08:18:28] <mrcoolbp> must be all them servers we gotz
[08:18:19] <crutchy> nah just kidding :-p
[08:18:08] <mrcoolbp> uh oh.
[08:18:02] <crutchy> oh oh... slashd crashed
[08:17:27] <mrcoolbp> wait...
[08:17:08] <mrcoolbp> so like 9
[08:17:05] * mrcoolbp carries the 2
[08:16:59] <crutchy> lol
[08:16:48] <mrcoolbp> chromas_ 400tb worth
[08:16:37] <chromas_> How many of those are khyber?
[08:16:27] <mrcoolbp> 5406 pageviews in last 24hrs
[08:15:58] <mrcoolbp> 3k is around the max
[08:15:14] <mrcoolbp> we are averaging ~2.8K visits per day
[08:14:00] <mrcoolbp> bryan: well I'm not sure how much that plays in here, but we have decent stats
[08:13:35] <bryan> mrcoolbp: they are pretty low :P
[08:13:25] <mrcoolbp> right
[08:13:17] <bryan> one of the coolest parts of the "cloud" is that you can spin stuff up and down as needed
[08:13:13] <crutchy> (except no membership fees, so even less viable)
[08:13:13] <mrcoolbp> bryan: cool, do you know basic pageview stats?
[08:12:54] <crutchy> SN atm is basically a club
[08:12:46] <crutchy> most clubs etc rely on volunteers
[08:12:14] <bryan> http://pipedot.org geez, feb 17, but the image is still pretty reasonable (just scaled back in number a bit)
[08:12:08] <crutchy> fun to talk about though
[08:12:03] <crutchy> yeah i kinda didn't see that happening
[08:11:44] <mrcoolbp> a CPA, lawyer for example
[08:11:30] <mrcoolbp> one thing I haven't mentioned yet is that, though we only have hosting as a recurring expense currently there are other large expenses we plan on undertaking
[08:10:41] <crutchy> pretty much all decisions need to go through finance... so you're in a pretty powerful position mrcoolbp
[08:09:28] <crutchy> money is always the bottom line... underneath it is the 'Hole of Liquidation'
[08:09:14] <mrcoolbp> anyway: I'll bring it up again at the next meeting, thanks for the insights/prodding
[08:08:19] <mrcoolbp> and yet...
[08:08:10] <mrcoolbp> well technically we can't afford anything right now
[08:07:48] <crutchy> dev... "we need moar capacity"... accountant... "can't afford it"
[08:07:35] <mrcoolbp> there needs to be a balance
[08:07:19] <crutchy> money matters are always in opposition to operational requirements
[08:07:17] <mrcoolbp> offsite backup is not a linode
[08:06:45] <mrcoolbp> bryan: yeah, I'm looking at the expenses and I think that is the case, I'm guessing a box one of the staff controls (I think it's in the UK)
[08:06:44] <crutchy> need to pay for polar bear security though
[08:06:36] <crutchy> lol
[08:06:35] <arti> remote remote backup
[08:06:30] <arti> alaska is really remote too :D
[08:06:20] <bryan> could do that to save a little bit too
[08:06:08] <bryan> also, i have an offsite backup box, but it's on a box at my office that doesnt cost anything a month
[08:05:50] <ciri> Until one screw gets lost for mysterious reasons even if you damned well feel like we're hosting erp.
[08:05:49] <crutchy> its not like we're hosting ERP
[08:05:36] <mrcoolbp> I think that's the fallover stuff bryan was criticising
[08:05:30] <crutchy> seems a bit overkill with varnish
[08:05:16] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: 2 for DB
[08:05:10] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: 2 for web frontends
[08:04:18] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: http://soylentnews.org
[08:04:11] <crutchy> 1 for dev
[08:04:02] <crutchy> 1 for varnish?
[08:03:53] <crutchy> 1 for apache/slash prod
[08:03:42] <crutchy> 1 for db
[08:03:23] <mrcoolbp> one is offsite backup
[08:03:13] <mrcoolbp> yup
[08:03:09] <crutchy> wholly carp! 8 nodes!?
[08:02:40] <mrcoolbp> bryan: so that may be true
[08:02:38] <crutchy> not going to ever be a lot of users on it
[08:02:34] <mrcoolbp> bryan: SN is currently 4 nodes at $20, 4 nodes at $40 + backup services
[08:02:25] <crutchy> dev node only needs to be cheap n cheerful
[08:02:25] <bryan> https://blog.linode.com - June 16
[08:01:43] <arti> basically upped the ram and storage
[08:01:41] <bryan> makes it easier to run a dev nodes on the cheap plan while keeping the live on the larger ones
[08:01:32] <arti> "just" like months ago right?
[08:01:07] <bryan> they just came out with a $10/month plan (previously their lowest plan was $20, while many of the SN nodes are $40)
[08:00:46] <crutchy> squeaky wheel gets the oil
[08:00:02] <Bender> todo item 18 added
[08:00:02] <mrcoolbp> !todo hammer linode for a better deal
[07:59:52] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: maybe
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[07:59:35] <crutchy> prolly worth hammering linode for a better deal (not that i would wanna do it)
[07:58:15] <SedBot2> <mrcoolbp> if we could get rid of a node or two, it would save us a non-trivial amount, if I understood better what we'd be loosing those would mean from a usability/expandibility standpoint, I'd be better informed on making a decision
[07:58:15] <mrcoolbp> s/what/what we'd be/
[07:57:57] <mrcoolbp> if we could get rid of a node or two, it would save us a non-trivial amount, if I understood better what loosing those would mean from a usability/expandibility standpoint, I'd be better informed on making a decision
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[07:55:51] <mrcoolbp> I admit though, this is a bit outside my area of expertise
[07:55:32] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org has some details
[07:54:16] <crutchy> (except to the electricity company :-P)
[07:54:10] <bryan> ya, i just think that can be trimmed a bit during these early months
[07:53:57] <crutchy> that seems pretty steep for a couple of headless vms, but i don't pay for hosting
[07:53:01] <mrcoolbp> per month
[07:52:55] <mrcoolbp> bryan: looks like it's $260 plus backup services
[07:52:42] <crutchy> thanks for the link :-)
[07:52:36] <crutchy> wow didn't see that post before ^
[07:52:10] <crutchy> and to have implemented a quick bailout solution if a change of hosts is needed (don't wanna be held hostage by a dodgy hosting provider)
[07:51:17] <crutchy> would be in SN's interest to always be on the lookout for a better hosting deal, and to be sure that the current host is aware of the effort
[07:51:11] <mrcoolbp> 9 comments...
[07:50:50] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:32] <crutchy> in the financial and research areas
[07:50:17] <crutchy> you need a 'call for volunteers' mrcoolbp :-)
[07:49:24] * mrcoolbp investigates the financials
[07:48:36] <mrcoolbp> were*
[07:48:21] <mrcoolbp> but I was lead to believe the savings was negligible, and there was some small cost
[07:47:53] <mrcoolbp> well, if we can save money and not lose anything I'll bring it up (again) at the next meeting
[07:47:28] <mrcoolbp> right
[07:47:21] <bryan> but i dont have to pay for it until then :P
[07:46:37] <bryan> like the SN setup, it's behind the same linode provided loadbalancer; if more traffic where to come to the site, an additional server could be spun up quickly to compensate
[07:45:38] <mrcoolbp> I do everything but dev and sysadmin stuff around here
[07:45:16] * mrcoolbp is honestly asking this stuff as he has no idea
[07:45:05] <mrcoolbp> bryan: would your setup fall to it's knees with 2x-4x the amount of users SN currently has?
[07:44:59] <crutchy> but just thinking financially
[07:44:45] <crutchy> its nice to separate services so failure of one less likely to affect others
[07:44:01] <bryan> no
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[07:43:54] <mrcoolbp> bryan: are they all on the same box?
[07:43:47] <crutchy> could have irc on webserver
[07:43:42] <bryan> mrcoolbp: yes to all but irc
[07:43:22] <mrcoolbp> bryan: I know we have more traffic too
[07:43:14] <mrcoolbp> bryan: but do you have mail/irc/dev/prod/wiki/etc. running?
[07:42:49] <juggs> anyway, I should away
[07:42:48] <mrcoolbp> no it's all valid guys
[07:42:30] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I always seem to end up in the role of inquisitioner and I tend not to bring any pillows. I don't mean to be so pesky, I guess I'm just an annoying git.
[07:42:21] <bryan> heck, mine's only $40/month total
[07:41:38] <bryan> there are a couple of "hot failover" nodes that are $40/month each and don't do anything for over 99% of the time
[07:41:21] <mrcoolbp> we could save about $50 if we got rid of a server or two
[07:40:46] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: it's not my dept. but I do note that we've had a lot less downtime, and we should be able to accomodate adding a large number of users without breaking a sweat, something I'd like to see happen
[07:39:45] <crutchy> having dedicated SN linode cluster sure sounds sexy, but is all of it absolutely essential?
[07:39:28] <mrcoolbp> the only thing we really have it blood/sweat/and hosting costs
[07:38:35] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: yes, we've talked about that
[07:38:15] <crutchy> mrcoolbp, if you can't increase dollars coming in, could look at reducing dollars going out'
[07:37:29] <mrcoolbp> " All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful"
[07:35:52] * mrcoolbp checks the log
[07:35:26] <mrcoolbp> so it is non-binding as I understand it
[07:35:11] <mrcoolbp> juggs: it looked that way yes, but we haven't confirmed that via email
[07:34:40] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I thought it did in the last board meeting
[07:34:38] <mrcoolbp> juggs: but I'm pretty sure that it is a good way to go, because then we *wouldn't* be in the hole
[07:34:05] <arti> major in underwater basket weaving
[07:34:02] <mrcoolbp> juggs: that hasn't happened yet technically
[07:33:41] <juggs> mrcoolbp, surely, technically there is no hole as the debt was disbursed as shares.... I don't know, I should probably go back to school and do an mba or something
[07:33:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 409
[07:33:15] <ar> coffee--
[07:33:14] <ciri> No server involvement makes for a long time to shove it into something usable .. The reason is you need them to repeat their attempts with every new version.
[07:33:13] <ar> moin
[07:33:03] <arti> i do more of a parade wave
[07:31:58] <mrcoolbp> no handwaving neccessary (though it doesn't hurt)
[07:31:38] * mrcoolbp is the treasurer after all
[07:31:30] <SedBot2> <chromas_> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mediterranean Diet Mountain Dew has Varied Effects on Cognitive Decline among Different Races - http://sylnt.us - used-to-know-what-this-meant
[07:31:30] <chromas_> Bender: s/t h/t Mountain Dew h/
[07:31:29] <mrcoolbp> I can assure you, we're not making a profit
[07:31:20] <mrcoolbp> with no incoming dollars
[07:31:13] <mrcoolbp> juggs: right now we are in the hole a few thousand USD
[07:31:01] <mrcoolbp> it is uber expensive and time consuming
[07:30:50] <juggs> mrcoolbp, so ~jedi-handwave~ trust us, were not making a profit? :D
[07:30:40] <mrcoolbp> NC still wants to start a NFP umbrella that can buy the current corp, but that is not feasible with the resources we have now
[07:30:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mediterranean Diet has Varied Effects on Cognitive Decline among Different Races - http://sylnt.us - used-to-know-what-this-meant
[07:29:36] <mrcoolbp> juggs: a lot of that is left to us, technically it's still for profit, but with the fiduciary responsibility significantly mitigated
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[07:28:40] <mrcoolbp> I guess we just have to be careful in how we do that
[07:28:40] <juggs> mrcoolbp, what are profits in a PBC? net, gross, frickin EBITDA? If board is remunerated prior to profit calcs the whole dog is out the window... yeh, I have no idea what that meant either.
[07:28:27] <mrcoolbp> without the tax-breaks, but much easier to setup
[07:28:15] <mrcoolbp> PBCs are very similar to Non-profit actually
[07:27:00] <mrcoolbp> now we have to protect the mission of the organization, and we have to protect the public
[07:26:49] * crutchy goes back to his glowballs
[07:26:40] <mrcoolbp> anyway, the cool part is the PBC is a little different
[07:26:33] <arti> for everything else, there's a line tappin'
[07:26:21] <crutchy> <cynic>everyone has a price</cynic>
[07:26:20] <mrcoolbp> then: meh fuckit
[07:26:17] <arti> then the not dropped
[07:26:16] <mrcoolbp> then: "if possible"
[07:26:06] <mrcoolbp> but that turned into "try not to be evil"
[07:25:54] <mrcoolbp> don't be evil
[07:25:46] <mrcoolbp> we are trying to be smarter about this then other people have in the past
[07:25:33] <mrcoolbp> juggs: you should be cynical, so are we
[07:25:03] <crutchy> ah
[07:25:02] <mrcoolbp> as long as we write/ammend our charters correctly, the board (yes I'm on the board) will be required to protect the "mission"
[07:24:34] <mrcoolbp> this is the opposite
[07:24:28] <mrcoolbp> fiduciary responsibility
[07:24:00] <mrcoolbp> juggs: you see, in a for-profit, the board is actually legally required to protect profits
[07:23:33] <mrcoolbp> juggs: no I was getting to that
[07:23:24] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: yes, I think there was an idea that you had to have been registered as a user before the vote started
[07:23:06] <juggs> mrcoolbp, share dividend payouts, director renumeration, ignore me I am cynical of everything.
[07:22:45] <crutchy> was that all?
[07:22:38] <arti> word
[07:22:37] <mrcoolbp> bryan: I figured = )
[07:22:31] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: user accounts
[07:22:31] <crutchy> hi bryan
[07:22:29] <arti> incoming usb stick
[07:22:17] <bryan> bah, it's in the mail mrcoolbp ^^
[07:22:12] <crutchy> mrcoolbp, what was the process for checking authenticity of SN accounts in the name vote?
[07:21:39] <mrcoolbp> (PBC makes it more like a non-profit in this regard)
[07:21:19] <mrcoolbp> then, the board memebers will be beholden to that mission
[07:21:00] <mrcoolbp> we are trying to get it in writing how to include the community in decisions
[07:20:37] <mrcoolbp> juggs: interesting thing is that we are a PBC, and we are also trying to codify how that stuff is "important to us" hence to idea to ask the community
[07:19:57] <crutchy> not really different to email etc
[07:19:50] <juggs> mrcoolbp, you do realise " but it's important to us" has been the mantra of every ground up org that incorporated ever right? Incorporation does strange things as suddenly there are vested interests no matter the form of the incorporation.
[07:19:40] <crutchy> irc is just a medium
[07:19:27] <crutchy> staff need to be comfortable that each registered nick corresponds to an individual
[07:19:16] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: for major decisions, IRC is a terrible voting medium
[07:18:52] <crutchy> no auto-registers
[07:18:47] <crutchy> voter registry would need to be managed by staff
[07:18:11] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: will there be a cutoff date to register? = )
[07:18:05] <crutchy> then could use something like prospectacles voting algo or whatever you like i guess
[07:16:39] <crutchy> anyone can karma so yeah i can imagine problems there
[07:16:20] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: it was noisy
[07:16:16] <crutchy> so to vote must be identified with nickserv and your nick must exist in the voters register
[07:16:12] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: we used karma as a voting means at some point
[07:15:27] <crutchy> with another database to identify individuals (to prevent one person with multiple nickserv accounts)
[07:14:58] <crutchy> (for login)
[07:14:36] <crutchy> nickserv-based
[07:14:26] <crutchy> need an irc voting system
[07:13:51] <mrcoolbp> or something to that effect. We haven't quite figured that part out, but it's important to us
[07:13:29] <mrcoolbp> "How do you want to be involved in the decision-making here?"
[07:13:13] <mrcoolbp> Soylent's incorp and I think he is planning on asking the community:
[07:12:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander is working on a post about
[07:12:36] <mrcoolbp> anyway, that example is a clear indicator to me that there are interesting tools that either exist already, or that we could develop to tackle this task
[07:11:46] <mrcoolbp> I should check with him
[07:11:39] <mrcoolbp> he showed me that and he was looking into other things for me too
[07:11:18] <mrcoolbp> a friend of mine was interested in online voting, american democracy, related web utils, he setup a site similar to https://petitions.whitehouse.gov
[07:11:11] <crutchy> ~kill pid is in the pipeline
[07:11:02] <arti> mrcoolbp: and yes that is a pretty neat format
[07:10:46] <crutchy> i was gunna try running ii under it, but need to keep an eye on it
[07:10:35] <arti> it is an experiment
[07:10:05] <crutchy> mrcoolbp looks promising
[07:09:58] <arti> was that a byproduct of some other feature?
[07:09:48] <crutchy> cool. is that for work?
[07:09:22] <arti> excellent work, i'm currently muddling through some style guides and theory
[07:08:45] <ciri> 12.18:24 -Chanserv(chanserv@services.)- the quiet command allows you to decide how i can do that.
[07:08:44] <crutchy> yeah. lists currently running child pid & shell command
[07:08:40] <mrcoolbp> a decision engine where large groups are involved
[07:08:22] <mrcoolbp> it's a demo
[07:08:18] <arti> ps... like a process list?
[07:08:15] <mrcoolbp> here's a cool thing I found: https://livingvotersguide.org
[07:08:07] <mrcoolbp> but I'd like to look into better systems
[07:08:00] <crutchy> arti, exec has a ps command now :-D
[07:07:52] <mrcoolbp> a bit yes
[07:06:51] <crutchy> i'm sure it would have been stressful for you at the time. that's unfortunate
[07:06:27] <arti> g'oop
[07:06:16] <crutchy> would be pretty boring without them
[07:06:11] <mrcoolbp> not the word I'd use but sure = )
[07:06:07] <arti> i like mine with lots of cheese
[07:05:58] <crutchy> fiascos are fun
[07:05:43] * crutchy is too lazy for floggins
[07:05:42] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: I was technically in charge of the vote fiasco
[07:05:16] <crutchy> floggins for what?
[07:05:01] <arti> uh
[07:05:00] <crutchy> the logo we have is ok :-)
[07:04:48] * mrcoolbp bends over in anticipation of vote-related floggins
[07:04:18] <crutchy> maybe we need a voting system competition too :-d
[07:04:10] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: possibly, but here I am trying to make a store with "the" logo
[07:03:44] <crutchy> we need a logo comp maybe
[07:03:31] <mrcoolbp> yeah, he got a lot of entries
[07:03:17] <crutchy> i think he had a logo comp
[07:03:08] <ciri> I wouldnt know for sure. Remember, they see a single zip drive that used to have a usb drive email me your finest model good sir.
[07:03:07] * mrcoolbp remembers bryan owes him a usb drive
[07:03:03] <Bender> karma - bryan: 4
[07:03:03] <crutchy> bryan++
[07:02:53] <mrcoolbp> bryan might be able to help, most agree pipedot looks very slick
[07:02:41] <mrcoolbp> it's more UI
[07:02:37] <mrcoolbp> it's not even images
[07:02:33] * juggs is not normal
[07:02:19] <juggs> meh, don't look at me when it comes to design stuff, I'm so not volunteering for that, I browse with images off.
[07:01:02] <mrcoolbp> pj said he could make it happen
[07:00:47] <mrcoolbp> juggs: the thinking was that we'd hold a contest, let the users mock stuff up in $ImageEditor
[06:59:03] <mrcoolbp> we've made some improvements, but it could be nicer on the eyes, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the person to head that task
[06:58:18] <mrcoolbp> yup, there that is
[06:58:11] <juggs> ohh gawd it's beta again
[06:57:59] <mrcoolbp> mess with the css and colors
[06:57:46] <mrcoolbp> NCommander mentioned doing a site-redesign contest
[06:57:30] <mrcoolbp> I think a UI overhaul is in order, we need to find a good ART/UI person
[06:57:18] <juggs> not that I have a door... I like to be in the midst of the open floor so my team can get my attention with just a look.
[06:56:04] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[06:55:55] <juggs> mrcoolbp, sure - hence the open door - and set the policy that anything they are unsure about - just please come and ask.
[06:55:44] <mrcoolbp> honestly after we get a few things in place and tested, I'd like to see the user base double once or twice
[06:54:28] * mrcoolbp likes teaching
[06:54:13] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yes, but you need to check with them and develop along the way
[06:53:48] <juggs> mrcoolbp, as a manager I try to give my peons the latitude to roam, set target, get out of the way, leave door open for guidance - that way peons grow and are not restrained,
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[06:53:36] <crutchy> ~restart
[06:53:30] <mrcoolbp> it's pretty cool to see it work
[06:52:58] <mrcoolbp> despite the amount of stories we post about what we are doing, there's actually a lot more that goes on behind the scenes and no one is getting paid
[06:52:43] <arti> idk, money is a good motivator but not always the best
[06:52:06] <arti> well, that's because they're passionate/interested
[06:51:04] <mrcoolbp> but some of the staff here are more dedicated than the ones I pay in my RL job, kinda ironic
[06:50:25] <mrcoolbp> sure.
[06:50:18] <juggs> mrcoolbp, it's the same no matter the industry when you abstract it far enough
[06:49:53] <mrcoolbp> juggs: well I try not to be awkward when I'm managing staff = )
[06:48:56] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I know, I've done awkward staff manglement before - it's a different type of challenge.
[06:48:54] <mrcoolbp> juggs: it's funny though, I'm a PM of sorts, I'm a restaurant manager
[06:47:37] <mrcoolbp> it's a lot of fun, and a lot of work
[06:47:27] <mrcoolbp> bunch of people just got together and we do this now
[06:47:10] <mrcoolbp> honestly I think this project is pretty amazing that it works at all
[06:46:02] <arti> well said
[06:45:50] <mrcoolbp> juggs: delegation is key sometimes, but you have to work with the people your delegating to, not just tell them what to do
[06:45:13] <arti> :>
[06:45:02] <arti> juggs, you use a mac?
[06:44:50] <mrcoolbp> lol
[06:44:46] * juggs needs to learn to be more PC
[06:43:05] <juggs> mrcoolbp, good luck with that
[06:42:52] <arti> must be a droid :P
[06:42:46] <arti> that's a big phone man
[06:42:39] * mrcoolbp is on phone wit wife
[06:41:53] <arti> lol @ guy ejected
[06:40:34] <juggs> mrcoolbp, no worries, I'm just baiting... your desire for updates reminds me of some PMs I've worked with in the past. Don't get me wrong, I love a competent PM and I love a competent BA - unfortunately my experience to date seems to mostly preclude "competent" in association with BA or PM. There are rare exceptions :D
[06:36:57] <swiss> :P
[06:36:56] <swiss> crutchy: eh, cops are cars
[06:36:03] <arti> that way there won't be any collisions :D
[06:35:51] <arti> why not just toggle the clipping?
[06:35:19] <crutchy> ftfy :-p
[06:35:12] <SedBot2> <crutchy> <swiss> or some people drifting a corner when they've got people on either side to make sure cops aren't coming
[06:35:11] <crutchy> swiss: s/cars/cops/
[06:34:21] <swiss> or some people drifting a corner when they've got people on either side to make sure cars aren't coming
[06:34:04] <swiss> crutchy: if that was in a parking lot, that'd be fine by me
[06:33:46] <crutchy> there's idiots on the road everywhere
[06:33:16] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[06:33:10] <arti> it's an oil money limit break
[06:32:54] <swiss> but the stuff in these vids is just ridiculous
[06:32:51] <arti> tahfeel?
[06:32:37] <ciri> Do any more just yet. Sleep is sounding much more unhealthy than "if you work for sn meetups.
[06:32:36] <swiss> i mean, i understand a bit of hooning
[06:30:59] <arti> #rekt
[06:30:03] <crutchy> hoon cars get ccrushed
[06:29:54] <mrcoolbp> ?
[06:29:53] <crutchy> it became enough of a problem here that we now have anti-hoon laws in australia
[06:29:40] <juggs> mrcoolbp, do you have a PRINCE2 cert on your wall? :D
[06:29:16] <crutchy> that used to happen in germany a fair bit too. prolly happens everywhere
[06:29:10] <arti> epic music
[06:28:13] <swiss> so they straight up just die
[06:27:58] <swiss> and they don't wear seatbelts
[06:27:43] <crutchy> no doubt
[06:27:42] <swiss> https://www.youtube.com
[06:27:30] <swiss> crutchy: no, they have terrible crashes all the time
[06:27:25] <arti> "here's my insurance!"
[06:27:21] <crutchy> must be some kinda stunt driver i reckon
[06:27:15] <arti> if not, he can use the AK
[06:27:07] <crutchy> but the guy has obviously done it plenty of times before and is pretty confident around traffic
[06:26:32] <crutchy> well the traffic thing is dangerous
[06:26:16] <mrcoolbp> juggs: exactly. No rush, just checkin' in
[06:26:10] <swiss> juggs: it's just a basic ircd install iirc
[06:26:01] <swiss> crutchy: do you like the fact they're doing it in traffic?
[06:25:50] <arti> "i need a gui!"
[06:25:31] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I need to sap some of xlefay's time because some of what I have is directly interfacing to services, while we use serv bot presences and .command stuff here.
[06:24:42] <crutchy> hohum i mean "damn arabs!" :-p
[06:24:23] <crutchy> fuck that's some pretty cool driving!
[06:24:01] <mrcoolbp> start a new page though
[06:23:44] <mrcoolbp> juggs: link here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[06:23:21] <mrcoolbp> juggs: throw them on the wiki
[06:22:52] <juggs> mrcoolbp, yes I got started on documenting irc commands, I have a scratch doc full of them in various states. I have IRC /oper now so I should be able to round out the oper stuff.
[06:22:52] <arti> meanwhile in dubai :P
[06:21:53] <arti> dude, i won't even get into it
[06:21:38] <swiss> arti: like when they drive like this? https://www.youtube.com
[06:20:51] <crutchy> faith is good, and so is community spirit, but religion is seldom tolerant of nonconformance
[06:20:02] <Bender> karma - juggs: 11
[06:20:02] <crutchy> juggs++
[06:19:59] <mrcoolbp> agreed
[06:19:52] <juggs> religion just needs to get the hell out of every day life
[06:19:46] <arti> i personally enjoy when people bring their regional driving habits, which are all in conflict
[06:19:39] <mrcoolbp> juggs: did you ever get to start working on documenting irc commands?
[06:19:37] <crutchy> i guess it makes international relations a bit easier cos we have a pool of experience from everywhere
[06:19:18] <arti> the nerve of those aussies!
[06:19:09] <crutchy> multiculturalism isn't amazing. it just is what it is
[06:18:43] <arti> crutchy, but that jives against the whole notion that multiculturalism is amazing
[06:18:34] <crutchy> cos most aussies will just tell bossy wankers to go get fucked
[06:18:04] <crutchy> australia is multicultural. problems occur when cultures clash. when immigrants come to australia expecting australians to conform to their expectations, they are bound to be disappointed :-p
[06:17:12] <swiss> i don't thing Hamas is any better... but Isreal is degrading themselves to terrorists in my book with their treatment of this war
[06:16:41] <swiss> arti: that council already is mad at isreal
[06:16:24] <arti> we should get the human rights council on it
[06:16:11] <swiss> I'm sure the UN would have some sort of plan
[06:15:56] <arti> well, the japanese are extremely diverse and welcoming
[06:15:56] <swiss> even if the US quartered off an "official refugee area" or something
[06:15:14] <juggs> swiss, yeh you probably want to review some stuff on Aus treatment of "boat people". I'm not sure that's going to fly.
[06:13:51] <swiss> i mean, we've run refugee programs in the past
[06:13:43] <swiss> australia, temporary program in America
[06:13:30] <arti> maybe greenland, too.
[06:13:22] <arti> they've got lots of room
[06:13:18] <arti> australia!
[06:13:12] <juggs> swiss, move them to where?
[06:13:04] <arti> it'll never happen
[06:12:53] <swiss> strictly for moving people out of that region
[06:12:46] <swiss> and then put all that money towards a refugee plan that offers help to both sides
[06:12:34] <arti> i'd like a car that drives to juipter
[06:12:26] <swiss> i would like to see the US pull out of supporting isreal
[06:11:42] <juggs> arti, and how long before the major empire building nations start apologising for the mess they left by drawing up nations with straight line borders in the middle east? And how long should the US apologise for enforcing that enforced nationalisation?
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[06:10:06] <arti> why should you feel responsible for human nature though?
[06:09:54] <crutchy> wb chromas_ :-D
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[06:08:51] <juggs> arti, it is a good question.
[06:07:56] <arti> pity about india though
[06:07:45] <arti> jolly good job on your navy
[06:07:08] <arti> uh, good question
[06:06:48] <juggs> arti, how long must brits pass down guilt for what went on in the days of empire?
[06:04:55] <SedBot2> <juggs> only if it allows earl grey
[06:04:54] <juggs> s/of/if/
[06:04:28] <juggs> only of it allows earl grey
[06:03:58] <arti> listen to some tea party music
[06:03:31] <juggs> arti, yeh sepultura didn't really lift my mood :P
[05:59:28] <juggs> yeh, I was channelling Senator Clay from The Wire TV series there - it was meant to be comedic. No-one got the ref, my bad.
[05:44:28] <juggs> Oh shit, I didn't exit the Sinead O'Connor playlist soon enough and now I'm being destroyed as an english man by the track Famine... sheeeeeeet
[05:41:47] <paulej72> I was there first
[05:41:28] <juggs> paulej72, get out of my head
[05:41:28] <paulej72> lol
[05:41:06] <ciri> Uppers of beta are: themightybuzzard: no i have a nexus working ill need to fix.
[05:41:05] <arti> where is monopoly when we need it !
[05:41:00] <juggs> da fuq
[05:40:54] <juggs> where is monopoly when we need it ?
[05:40:54] <paulej72> where is monoploy when we need it
[05:40:26] <arti> here you go juggs: https://www.youtube.com
[05:39:34] * juggs goes to seek up something more upbeat
[05:39:21] <juggs> and uch.. how on earth did my playlist end up with Sinead O'Connor without me noticing, I feel like slitting my wrists.
[05:35:14] <juggs> damn am I glad I don't have to design UIs
[05:34:16] <juggs> ion is always left to right, while incoming emotion is right to left. Of course that throws up other discussions for those who generally read right to left.
[05:34:16] <juggs> alt text helps with screen readers. I don't think those icons pass the colour blind test though, they need to be more descriptive somehow. If this is the direction we want to go, mebbe a convention such as icon/action{left|right}. So someone you have as a friend would be heart with arms right, a fan would be a heart with arms left, a foe would be a sword directed right, a freak would be a sword directed left. The convention being that outgoing emot
[05:32:45] <arti> seems like a productive night
[05:31:15] <mrcoolbp> thx
[05:31:13] <mrcoolbp> done
[05:31:04] <paulej72> email me the changes mrcoolbp and I look at it tomorrow
[05:30:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RIAA Targeting Non-Profit Licensed Music Sites - http://sylnt.us - not-for-the-artists-but-for-their-own-pockets
[05:29:17] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: they are just minor additions to existing questions
[05:28:58] * mrcoolbp knows you don't have any of that
[05:28:50] <mrcoolbp> that was a joke = )
[05:28:14] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: when you have some free time, I wanted to add some minor stuff to the FAQ
[05:26:20] <paulej72> that too
[05:26:04] <mrcoolbp> juggs makes a good point though
[05:25:29] <mrcoolbp> there could be a legend on that page though
[05:24:27] <paulej72> plus you can't link from the comments as. that already has a link
[05:23:32] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[05:23:20] <mrcoolbp> that is true
[05:23:12] <paulej72> but for new users there is less info there than the current system
[05:23:03] <juggs> mrcoolbp, make sure you consider accessibility - colour blind / blind etc.
[05:22:59] <mrcoolbp> rather then yellow, yellow, yellow
[05:22:41] <arti> gotta learn road signs, right?
[05:22:39] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: my thinking is they would jump out a bit more with the colors
[05:22:10] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: my thinking is you'll eventually learn them, plus they could have tool tips and link back to the friend/foe FAQ
[05:21:27] <mrcoolbp> juggs: not the topic icons, we have some drafts of those I'm waiting on testing
[05:21:24] <paulej72> 'twas me
[05:21:05] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I remembered one saying that
[05:20:38] <juggs> are those icons suggested as replacements for the current textual links to those various categories?
[05:20:32] <paulej72> not really. no information in them
[05:20:06] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: did you like these? http://www.jaruzel.com
[05:19:27] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:19:21] <juggs> hehe
[05:19:20] * arti chuckles
[05:19:16] * mrcoolbp sighs
[05:19:03] <juggs> mrcoolbp, only question is can we get them on a coffee mug? :D
[05:19:02] <arti> familiar with building lightsabers and pod racing
[05:18:56] <arti> perfec
[05:18:55] * crutchy keeps stabbing himself in the arse with the lightsaber :-/
[05:18:46] <mrcoolbp> arti: I figure each could have the ALT text be what it is, and the image could be a link to the legend
[05:18:27] <arti> crutchy is a jedi in training
[05:18:06] <arti> will there be a legend?
[05:17:45] <juggs> crutchy, I suspect you have more knowledge of the ins and outs of irc comms protocol than most here
[05:17:42] <arti> yeah, those'll work
[05:17:21] <arti> :P
[05:17:21] * arti sees no icons
[05:17:07] <mrcoolbp> http://www.jaruzel.com
[05:17:07] <mrcoolbp> I kinda like these for the friend foe icons:
[05:16:56] <juggs> that works :)
[05:16:56] <crutchy> i'm a bit of an irc ignoramus
[05:16:43] <crutchy> yup, well its ~reload :-p
[05:16:24] <juggs> :D
[05:16:23] <crutchy> might look at what's needed for a ~kill
[05:16:21] <juggs> and ~rehash
[05:16:00] <crutchy> and ~restart and ~q
[05:15:47] <crutchy> but it does have timeouts etc
[05:15:40] <crutchy> exec is just missing a ~kill command
[05:15:27] <paulej72> exec is much smarter in this regard
[05:15:27] <crutchy> need to rewrite it in vba
[05:15:01] <paulej72> right now sedbot is dumb
[05:14:54] <crutchy> the exec one does that but it doesn't have all sedbot's features and stability
[05:14:24] <crutchy> or /invite
[05:14:16] <paulej72> you also shoul be able to tell sedbot to load in a new channel
[05:13:27] <crutchy> sounds like you need a "!restart SedBot" and "!kill SedBot" command that kills all related processes (including ii)?
[05:13:14] <arti> when it's not a rule, but it's a good practice
[05:13:10] <juggs> I submit Regurgitator's cron'd script if it is of any use for reference: http://paste.ofcode.org
[05:13:09] <paulej72> would like all of the bot to be one pid that need to control it.
[05:12:55] <arti> the way that most people do it
[05:12:46] <arti> i can't think of the stupid term
[05:12:44] <Konomi> command & ; $command_pid=$?
[05:11:57] <paulej72> I would like at least a pid as the restarting can be done outside of the bot
[05:11:33] <Konomi> they'd be pretty crappy commands if you couldn't run more than on instance
[05:11:32] <juggs> arti, many ways to do it
[05:11:31] * crutchy might do some tinkering with running ii and awk/tail from exec
[05:11:06] <arti> aren't the pid files the way to do it?
[05:11:02] <Konomi> you can launch tail and gawk multiple times
[05:10:50] <crutchy> not sure if that's a problem, but i have nfi how things work on SN server
[05:10:44] <juggs> paulej72, what's your preferred solution - your pid checking or have a bot excrete a .pid file when it runs that can be queried from a cron driven script?
[05:10:20] <crutchy> cos you need 1 instance per channel
[05:10:02] <Konomi> how would they cause grief?
[05:09:49] <crutchy> its the gawk/tail that's possibly causing grief
[05:09:04] <crutchy> only need 1 instance of ii
[05:08:23] <ciri> Oh, right, putting coffee in my drinking water x'd.
[05:08:22] <Konomi> then go from there
[05:08:17] <Konomi> if you want two versions running look up the manual for ii find out how to instance it twice
[05:07:31] <crutchy> i'm not qualified to work on it
[05:07:19] <crutchy> back to 2 terms :-/
[05:07:10] <SedBot2> <crutchy> toast
[05:07:10] <crutchy> s/e/oa/
[05:07:05] <crutchy> test
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[05:05:44] <Konomi> I read that
[05:05:27] <paulej72> Konomi: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:04:34] <crutchy> paulej72... that was me
[05:04:33] <paulej72> sedbot
[05:04:32] <Bender> karma - konomi: 13
[05:04:32] <arti> Konomi++
[05:03:12] <Konomi> it isn't hard to do what you're thinking of I just need more specifics
[05:02:44] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[05:02:41] <Konomi> this isn't exactly the thing I described but it gives you an idea of lock file handling if you write it by yourself in bash
[05:02:25] <paulej72> see what I mean :)
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[05:00:38] <paulej72> I think sedbot will need major work just to make work so it can start all the stuff it need itself
[05:00:26] <Konomi> if you want to do that just fork the command note the pid and loop while checking it exists then launch again if it doesn't
[05:00:25] <chromas_> That's why slashdot added tags
[04:59:51] <juggs> I'm not sure whether that classes as Insightful++ or Funny++ or RTFM++
[04:58:59] <Konomi> it's a bit clunky though expect fun
[04:58:26] <Konomi> crutchy: man start-stop-daemon
[04:58:19] <chromas_> And make them controllable by script like the other bots
[04:58:09] <crutchy> Konomi, just trying to figure out whether SedBot can be run on the SN server
[04:57:52] <chromas_> Konomi: probably a way to restart the scripts when they die
[04:57:46] <juggs> crutchy meet Konomi
[04:57:27] <crutchy> other problem is that the channel name is inside the awk script :-p
[04:57:21] <Konomi> what are you wanting to do?
[04:57:18] <juggs> crutchy, eggdrop is like using a sledgehammer to drive a tiny tack
[04:57:06] <Konomi> crutchy: still not seeing a problem I can answer
[04:56:40] <chromas_> crutchy: pipe the full log into it without tail :D
[04:55:44] * crutchy has never used eggdrop
[04:55:24] <crutchy> ah. eggdrop is prolly the way to go
[04:54:59] <juggs> eggdrop has this with its botchk cron
[04:54:42] <Bender> karma - complexity: 1
[04:54:42] <chromas_> Complexity++
[04:54:31] <chromas_> Woo-hoo
[04:54:20] <crutchy> moar complexity!!!
[04:54:06] <crutchy> might work better with a single process manager like exec
[04:53:48] <juggs> OK
[04:53:43] <crutchy> one instance of ii (for all channels) and one instance of gawk/tail per channel
[04:53:39] <juggs> many awk scripts?
[04:53:26] <chromas_> One ii
[04:52:52] <juggs> crutchy, is chromas_ right that you have an instance of ii and the awk script per channel?
[04:52:45] <crutchy> i thought maybe using screen would be ok but i think there is some crontab thing on SN for starting bots
[04:52:04] <crutchy> i jotted down some commands here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:51:54] <crutchy> konomi.... atm i've got SedBot2 running as two gnome terminals on my laptop
[04:51:36] <chromas_> Yeah, though it still worked in other channels. I think there's a script instance per channel
[04:50:45] <juggs> ahh so ii was running but the awk script had gone away?
[04:50:23] <chromas_> Even though ii was still there
[04:50:11] <chromas_> For example, it was in #test for awhile but the actual awk script wasn't running so it didn't respond
[04:50:09] <juggs> ugh
[04:50:06] <juggs> chromas_, scurely the ircd times it out eventually no?
[04:49:20] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[04:49:20] <chromas_> Sedbot watches ii output and can die without leaving the channel
[04:47:36] <Konomi> and wha'ts the problem?
[04:47:09] * crutchy creates a new shell script
[04:46:57] <crutchy> we're trying to work out how to get sedbot running on SN server
[04:46:40] <crutchy> hi konomi :-D
[04:46:35] <juggs> crutchy, I believe so. I'd guess as long as it can survive being kicked into the background and detached from a console that would be enough to let paulej72 craft some start/stop script-fu around it. You really need to ask him.
[04:46:18] <Konomi> why are you trying to fork a manual command?
[04:45:35] <chromas_> Systemd 😊😊😊😊
[04:45:31] <crutchy> juggs, my code-fu is poor... particularly shell. konomi's shell-fu is prolly what we need here
[04:44:27] <crutchy> sounds like paulej72 would prefer a simple daemon-like process that he can kill by pid. is that right juggs?
[04:44:20] <juggs> hey chromas_
[04:43:38] <chromas_> Hey crutchy, juggs
[04:43:34] * juggs just spectates as chromas_ and crutchy get their code-fu on.
[04:43:16] <chromas_> ii already uses pipes for input
[04:42:56] <crutchy> dunno if we can use that for ii / gawk
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[04:42:42] <crutchy> hey chromas_ :-D
[04:42:34] <chromas_> :D
[04:42:20] * chromas_ brings up named pipes again
[04:41:39] <crutchy> kill 27272
[04:41:22] <crutchy> jared@debian:~$
[04:41:21] <crutchy> [1]+ Stopped man ii
[04:41:21] <crutchy> 27272
[04:41:21] <crutchy> jared@debian:~$ echo $!
[04:41:21] <crutchy> [1] 27272
[04:41:21] <crutchy> jared@debian:~$ man ii &
[04:40:54] <juggs> yep, you could, and you would also have to add clean up routines for various SIGTERM signals. And it adds the problem of stale pid.files occurring if the process is -9'd or otherwise exits uncleanly. I don't know what the better solution is, I am a mere grasshopper when it comes to sysops stuff.
[04:36:51] <crutchy> could always use $! to get the pid
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[04:35:19] <crutchy> ah
[04:34:49] <juggs> crutchy, I think paulej72 is using start scripts for the other bots to fire them up with a ~specific~ PID then running a cron to check for those PIDs to watchdog them. That's the impression I got. Same could probably be achieved if each bot wrote out a current pid.file.
[04:32:55] <pbnjoe> np juggs
[04:32:41] <pbnjoe> that would be me, ciri
[04:32:31] <ciri> Pbnjoe, what is the pbnjoe thing on the local server.
[04:32:30] <juggs> pbnjoe, thanks.
[04:29:44] <pbnjoe> tada :)
[04:29:31] <pbnjoe> juggs, friends: you like those people. fans: those people like you. foes: you don't like those people. freaks: those people don't like you.
[04:28:49] <crutchy> to 'daemonize' but prolly doesn't help with getting pid
[04:28:19] <crutchy> paulej72 looks like you can possibly use nohup command &
[04:26:13] <juggs> one day I'll take the time to bother with what all those friends / foes / freaks / etc means
[04:24:24] <juggs> oooh I have a new SN friend - go me :D
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[04:11:47] <juggs> swiss, do some motocross / dirt bike drifting first to get a feel for it - it's a lot more forgiving
[04:11:01] <juggs> I've had some umm... interesting... tank-slappers coming out of drifted corners.... yeh, change of underwear required :D
[04:10:56] <swiss> yeah. i don't plan to drift bikes
[04:09:38] <juggs> indeed - when the stiction bites, you better be ready :D It is just fine throttle control to slow the wheelspin in a controlled manner while exiting the bend. Of course it is not "just" and it's probably not something to play around with on public roads anyway.
[04:08:20] <swiss> drifting a bike... doing that is bad
[04:08:08] <swiss> if you're drifting a car, and you want to get out, you stop wheelspin
[04:07:56] <swiss> and not high side it
[04:07:53] <swiss> but being able to get OUT of a drift
[04:07:12] <juggs> swiss, drifting is actually not that hard once you get used to riding fast.... you'll find you're steering out of the bend automatically anyway when cornering at speed - beyond that it becomes about applying enough power to spin up the rear. It's a bit of a balancing act mind.
[04:05:43] <swiss> which is worse than straight dirt imo
[04:05:38] <swiss> well, asphalt with a very thin layer of dirt
[04:05:29] <swiss> juggs: i was mostly only locking it up on the side of the road covered in dirt
[04:05:06] <crutchy> at least in v8 supercars its routine to see wheels off the ground :-p
[04:05:06] <swiss> crutchy: after riding a motorcycle, i now understand how crazy drifing one is
[04:04:48] <juggs> swiss, my sadistic license tester had me doing emergency stops on a leafy, wet side road - made me go around 3 times the git. I'm sure he wanted me to lock up the front and stack it. :D
[04:04:38] <crutchy> problem with that video is he doesn't seem to get any tyres off the ground
[04:04:37] <swiss> lol
[04:04:29] <arti> wait until you experience a semi
[04:04:29] <swiss> just turning 21 soon, so I decided to get the class while it was still cheap
[04:04:18] <swiss> nope!
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[04:04:14] <arti> i thought you might've been riding before then decided to get the license
[04:04:12] <swiss> i'm pretty confident cornering
[04:04:01] <swiss> yeah, it's awesome
[04:03:57] <arti> cool!
[04:03:57] <swiss> and i only lock it when i'm doing the emergency stops we're practicing
[04:03:54] <arti> oh really?
[04:03:46] <swiss> yeah. I mean, today is my first day on a bike, ever
[04:03:14] <juggs> swiss, go heavy on the front, the rear brake is mostly used for stabilisation during heavy braking. The centre of balance gets pitched a long way forward when braking that there is no weight on the rear to prevent lock up.
[04:02:05] <swiss> own
[04:02:03] <swiss> the crash he does at the end is in the same model of car I woen
[04:01:53] <swiss> crutchy: lol, i love that video
[04:01:35] <swiss> my current biggest problem is I'm locking the hell out of the rear tire when braking
[04:01:33] <crutchy> swiss: just watch out for this cop http://www.youtube.com
[04:01:24] <swiss> yeah, that doesn't seem fun
[04:01:01] * juggs enjoyed the side of some numpty's cage at around ~40mph ... that ~huuuurt~!
[04:00:59] <swiss> 21:00:53 [Soylent] -!- juggs [~juggs@Soylent/Staff/IRC/juggs]
[04:00:53] * arti sighs
[04:00:51] <arti> works better with lift
[04:00:44] <arti> do you even whois
[04:00:22] <swiss> i thought you were in australia
[04:00:16] <arti> cage drivers /in nightmare font
[04:00:01] * juggs doesn't ride anymore, uk roads are just waaay too busy and full of blind box drivers
[03:59:44] <swiss> I can see myself doing it on the track, or to and from work (side streets)
[03:59:44] <arti> people just don't pay attention
[03:59:36] <arti> i wouldn't rock one around here, outside of town sure
[03:59:31] <swiss> yeah. I don't see myself doing it daily
[03:59:15] <juggs> swiss, good stuff, I got my bike license many years ago - it's fun, but damn is it dangerous
[03:58:56] <crutchy> my mum ussed to be an ambo. she's done cpr on a dead motorcyclist (because there was a busload of little school kids involved that didn't need to see that he was dead)
[03:58:14] <swiss> juggs: yeah, basically. It actually fulfills the requirement instead of the riding test
[03:58:08] <arti> that said, they make my palms sweat
[03:57:57] <juggs> crutchy, sure it should
[03:57:55] <swiss> i highly recommend this class for anyone remotely interested in riding a motorcycle (the beginners one for the MSP)
[03:57:50] <arti> one lost a leg and the other is dead
[03:57:50] * arti knows two people who have been seriously injured riding
[03:57:35] <rand> i think i'm going back to pidgin; it doesn't seem to have the same problem
[03:57:34] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[03:57:34] <crutchy> sedbot prolly should go on SN somewhere though. xlefay could magic something up i'm sure
[03:57:26] <arti> is that where they teach you how to be a motorcycle?
[03:57:26] <juggs> swiss, training for a license?
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[03:57:09] <swiss> motorcycle classes are so fun~
[03:56:56] <juggs> ahh
[03:56:51] <crutchy> ciri is arti's monster
[03:56:34] <juggs> crutchy, I can probably set you up with a user acct. on my vps if you want somewhere to temporarily park sedbot or ciri
[03:56:22] <crutchy> maybe try different client
[03:55:36] <rand> yes, both
[03:55:17] <juggs> rand... I note you are back on SSL - do you get the same disconnect issues using an unencrypted connection?
[03:54:24] <crutchy> ciri is sending 400tb of gummy bears up his connection
[03:53:57] <rand> hi juggs...nope; i still get unexpected disconnects, then the server tells me i'm still logged in
[03:53:20] <arti> maybe they're occuring randomly >.> :D
[03:53:00] <juggs> o/ hey rand - did you sort out your disconnects yet?
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[03:11:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Business Should Embrace "Boomerang Employees" - http://sylnt.us
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[02:57:24] <crutchy> "the coast"++
[02:57:02] <crutchy> {the coast}++
[02:56:47] <Bender> karma - [the coast]: 1
[02:56:47] <crutchy> [the coast]++
[02:56:38] <crutchy> 'the coast'++
[02:51:10] <Bender> karma - (the coast): 1
[02:51:10] <chromas_> (the coast)++
[02:50:46] <exec> wind speed = (no data) wind direction = (no data)
[02:50:46] <ciri> Barometric pressure = 1017.6 hrs ago.
[02:50:45] <exec> barometric pressure = 1018.1 mb ~ change of -0.4 mb over past 1 hrs relative humdity = (no data)
[02:50:45] <exec> temperature = 65.7°F (18.7°C) dewpoint = (no data)
[02:50:45] <exec> Weather for CTCLUSI Radar Hill-OR, OR, United States of America at 2014-07-20 01:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.8 hrs ago:
[02:50:42] <chromas_> ~weather coos bay
[02:49:11] <chromas_> Hi crutchy :)
[02:48:39] <crutchy> hi chromas_ :-P
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[02:38:26] <juggs> ahhhhh now I see my problem, xchat is calling xdg-open, whilst mint mate has its own mate-open that replaces it - so no amount of knobbing around with mate settings is going to do anything. damn I'm slow sometimes :(
[02:34:29] * TheMightyBuzzard returns
[02:27:46] <juggs> fair enough paulej72 ;/
[02:26:18] <paulej72> juúüûîïìįœöçčćxźžżqéeęëtÿpłmńñbvcxzæßšśdfghjk
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[02:17:51] <crutchy> might have to look into that one paulej72. pretty sure it wouldn't be too difficult, but prolly needs a bit of thought. exec is a bit convoluted
[02:17:17] <crutchy> exec back to old self
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[02:13:51] <Bytram> cya
[02:13:21] <Bytram> btw, we're down to 10 stories in the submissions queue; if you see *anything* interesting, please submit it, okay?
[02:13:01] <crutchy> hmm... might revert. line breaks are causing grief with the process manager
[02:12:57] <arti> you're stuck with me for awhile longer
[02:12:50] * arti was bidding g'nite to bytram :P
[02:12:48] <Bytram> paulej72: thanks! same to you!
[02:12:38] <paulej72> good night Bytram
[02:12:34] <crutchy> night arti
[02:12:19] <Bytram> arti: g'nite!
[02:12:12] <arti> nite Bytram
[02:12:09] <Bytram> g'night everybody!
[02:12:04] <Bytram> g'night everyy!
[02:11:58] <Bytram> crutchy: best of luck to ya!
[02:11:26] <Bytram> ~weather MIA
[02:11:11] <Bytram> crutchy: looks like you don't exist any more? :O
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[02:10:58] <crutchy> ~restart
[02:10:43] <Bytram> time for me to get some shuteye...
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[02:10:32] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[02:10:31] <Bytram> well, I just wanted to pop in for a bit to say "Hi" and catch up on things here.
[02:09:08] <Bytram> just trying to keep an eye on things and keep my tests on tap for when the time comes.
[02:08:47] <Bytram> paulej72: yeah, I see that there is some wierd conversion to ASCII chars going on. e.g. the single character for "1/4" ends up being three characters: "1", "/", and "4".
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[02:03:56] <Bytram> paulej72: nod nod.
[02:03:00] <paulej72> yes but TheMightyBuzzard has a new update for it
[02:02:51] <crutchy> ooh php's stream_get_line looks like it might be better than fgets
[02:02:22] <SedBot2> <Bytram> paulej72: are you saying that UTF-8 support is now propoerly merged into dev.soylentnews.org?
[02:02:22] <Bytram> s/sn/soylentnews/
[02:02:14] <Bytram> paulej72: are you saying that UTF-8 support is now propoerly merged into dev.sn.org?
[02:01:25] * Bytram notes that the tilde on his conventional 100+key keyboard is none-too-convenient, either.
[02:01:24] <paulej72> big one I redid today
[02:01:02] <arti> i think one batch was merged
[02:00:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: was curious... any word on when/if your UTF-8 updates are/have been merged onto dev.soylentnews.org ??
[02:00:15] <paulej72> tilde is too far away on an iPad can't fire off exec easily
[01:59:51] <Bytram> not looking so good for our capital, either. ;)
[01:59:33] <exec> Weather for Washington, DC US at 2014-07-20 01:30:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[01:59:29] <Bytram> ~weather DC
[01:58:53] <arti> mostly overcast until late in the day, pretty comfortable
[01:58:48] <Bytram> glad to hear that
[01:58:40] <arti> it's been pretty comfortable here in socal though
[01:58:32] <arti> nosir
[01:58:18] <Bytram> arti: u in SFO?
[01:57:59] <arti> it's hot~~~~ /fantastic
[01:57:48] <Bytram> looks like they don't have any weather there.
[01:57:31] <exec> Weather for San Francisco, CA US at 2014-07-20 00:59:00 (UTC) ~ 1 hrs ago:
[01:57:30] <arti> stupid fgets
[01:57:29] <Bytram> ~weather SFO
[01:57:23] <paulej72> lol
[01:57:21] <crutchy> hmm. might have to change the line break character used by fgets
[01:57:07] <Bytram> :0
[01:56:57] <Bytram> paulej72: say that out loud, hmmm?
[01:56:56] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-19 23:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.9 hrs ago:
[01:56:53] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[01:56:37] <Bender> Added quote 209
[01:56:37] <Bytram> !grab paulej72
[01:56:21] <paulej72> sec's up
[01:56:15] <Bytram> gather up the records; catenate them together; when you've got the 1) location string, 2) temperature, 3) barometer, and 4) wind speed hten dump itout. otherwise give it, say, five/ten/whatever seconds and dump whatever you've got.
[01:55:03] <crutchy> sec
[01:54:52] <Bytram> crutchy: an idea
[01:54:47] <crutchy> prolly. one way to find out :-p
[01:54:13] <Bytram> paulej72: can't it just construct the results as a single *string*, with each line separated by "/n"? Then just drop the whole lot of it at once.
[01:54:13] <crutchy> problem is the bot doesn't know how long a process will take to finish
[01:53:52] <crutchy> probably could do that. the bot keeps track of all child processes
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[01:53:15] <paulej72> just wondering how easy it would be to keep itself form interleaving output
[01:52:31] <exec> wind speed = 2 mph (3.2 km/h) wind direction = 30°
[01:52:31] <exec> barometric pressure = 1003.9 mb ~ change of -1 mb over past 6 hrs relative humdity = 85%
[01:52:30] <exec> temperature = 40.1°F (4.5°C) dewpoint = 36.1°F (2.3°C)
[01:52:30] <exec> Weather for Cape Morris Jesup, -, Greenland at 2014-07-19 18:00:00 (UTC) ~ 7.9 hrs ago:
[01:52:28] <Bytram> ~weather north pole
[01:52:20] <exec> Weather for "south pole" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[01:52:18] <crutchy> paulej72, kinda. it uses proc_open for all scripts
[01:52:17] <Bytram> ~weather south pole
[01:51:57] <paulej72> does exec fork to do weather
[01:51:45] <ciri> Uefi v2.40 (kvm efi jun 7 2014 18:53:00 (utc) ~ 0.7 sec.
[01:51:44] <exec> wind speed = 32 mph (51.2 km/h) wind direction = 150°
[01:51:44] <exec> barometric pressure = 973.3 mb ~ change of -1 mb over past 0.1 hrs relative humdity = 78%
[01:51:44] <exec> temperature = 7.9°F (-13.4°C) dewpoint = 2.7°F (-16.3°C)
[01:51:43] <exec> Weather for Williams Field, Antarctica at 2014-07-20 00:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.9 hrs ago:
[01:51:41] <Bytram> ~weather mcmurdo station
[01:51:22] <exec> wind speed = 16 mph (25.6 km/h) wind direction = 330°
[01:51:21] <exec> barometric pressure = 1002.5 mb ~ change of 5.1 mb over past 6 hrs relative humdity = 64%
[01:51:21] <exec> temperature = 54°F (12.2°C) dewpoint = 42.1°F (5.6°C)
[01:51:20] <exec> Weather for Nome, AK, United States at 2014-07-19 23:53:00 (UTC) ~ 2 hrs ago:
[01:51:18] <Bytram> ~weather Nome, AK
[01:50:52] <Bytram> looks like the weather in ada is ok
[01:50:51] <exec> usage: "~weather-add name location" (visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info)
[01:50:51] <crutchy> ~weather-add
[01:50:39] <exec> wind speed = 4 mph (6.4 km/h) wind direction = 140°
[01:50:39] <exec> barometric pressure = 1016.3 mb ~ change of -0.3 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 83%
[01:50:39] <exec> temperature = 71.6°F (22°C) dewpoint = 66.2°F (19°C)
[01:50:38] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-20 01:15:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[01:50:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather ada, ok
[01:50:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[01:50:19] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[01:50:16] <exec> wind speed = 4 mph (6.4 km/h) wind direction = 140°
[01:50:16] <exec> barometric pressure = 1016.3 mb ~ change of -0.3 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 83%
[01:50:16] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 100°
[01:50:15] <exec> temperature = 71.6°F (22°C) dewpoint = 66.2°F (19°C)
[01:50:15] <exec> barometric pressure = 1010.9 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 84%
[01:50:15] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-20 01:15:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[01:50:14] <exec> temperature = 67°F (19.4°C) dewpoint = 62.3°F (16.8°C)
[01:50:14] <exec> Weather for London, UK at 2014-07-20 01:29:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[01:50:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather ada, ok
[01:50:06] <Bytram> ~weather Bender
[01:49:58] <Bytram> lol!
[01:49:52] <exec> code "Bender" set for location "London, England"
[01:49:49] <Bytram> ~weather-add Bender London, England
[01:49:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4558, owned by pnkwarhall
[01:49:27] <Bytram> !uid
[01:49:04] <crutchy> not sure maybe not :-d
[01:48:58] <crutchy> hmm
[01:48:54] <Bytram> no help there, eh?
[01:48:43] <Bytram> ~weather-add
[01:48:39] <crutchy> good for figuring out what time it is for a nick without remembering where they are
[01:48:32] <Bytram> oh! nod nod
[01:48:18] <crutchy> instead of ~time chicago you could do ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[01:47:59] <Bytram> ;)
[01:47:56] <Bytram> make my days last longer?
[01:47:48] <Bytram> what would "~time-add" do?
[01:47:28] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 119°
[01:47:27] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.7 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 69%
[01:47:27] <exec> temperature = 70°F (21.1°C) dewpoint = 59.8°F (15.4°C)
[01:47:27] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA US at 2014-07-20 01:17:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[01:47:24] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[01:47:15] <crutchy> paulej72 nah not yet but wouldn't be hard. i think that's in the ideas file
[01:46:57] <paulej72> is there ~time-add
[01:46:54] <exec> by crutchy: https://github.com
[01:46:54] <exec> data courtesy of the APRS Citizen Weather Observer Program (CWOP) @ http://weather.gladstonefamily.net
[01:46:54] <exec> usage: "~weather location" (visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info)
[01:46:54] <exec> IRC WEATHER INFORMATION
[01:46:53] <crutchy> ~weather
[01:46:49] <Bytram> otoh, at least it stayed in the correct state!
[01:46:40] <Bytram> okay, so we tell it "portland" and it comes back with "south portland"
[01:46:21] <crutchy> :-:P
[01:46:18] <crutchy> oops
[01:46:14] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[01:46:14] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.7 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 87%
[01:46:14] <exec> temperature = 66°F (18.9°C) dewpoint = 62.3°F (16.8°C)
[01:46:13] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[01:46:13] <exec> Weather for South Portland, ME US at 2014-07-20 01:12:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[01:46:13] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.7 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 87%
[01:46:12] <exec> temperature = 66°F (18.9°C) dewpoint = 62.3°F (16.8°C)
[01:46:12] <exec> Weather for South Portland, ME US at 2014-07-20 01:12:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[01:46:09] <Bytram> ~weather Portland, Maine
[01:46:09] <crutchy> ~weather portland, maine
[01:45:58] <Bytram> nope, it's in portland MAINE
[01:45:50] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[01:45:49] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017.6 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.2 hrs relative humdity = 51%
[01:45:49] <exec> temperature = 86°F (30°C) dewpoint = 65.7°F (18.7°C)
[01:45:48] <exec> Weather for Portland, OR US at 2014-07-20 01:14:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[01:45:47] <paulej72> but a proper server does not have the issue of forgetting to set port forarding for ssh
[01:45:46] <Bytram> ~weather KPWM
[01:45:38] <Bytram> still doesn't have that right.
[01:45:25] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[01:45:25] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017.6 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.2 hrs relative humdity = 51%
[01:45:24] <exec> temperature = 86°F (30°C) dewpoint = 65.7°F (18.7°C)
[01:45:24] <exec> Weather for Portland, OR US at 2014-07-20 01:14:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[01:45:21] <Bytram> ~weather kpwm
[01:45:07] * Bytram remembers the town, but not the state. :/
[01:44:58] <ciri> Karma - ork: -7.7 hrs relative humdity = 93.
[01:44:57] <exec> wind speed = 2 mph (3.2 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[01:44:57] <exec> barometric pressure = 1003 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 88%
[01:44:56] <exec> temperature = 75.2°F (24°C) dewpoint = 71.6°F (22°C)
[01:44:56] <exec> Weather for Adana / Sakirpasa, Turkey at 2014-07-20 01:20:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[01:44:53] <Bytram> ~weather ada
[01:44:45] <Bytram> lol
[01:44:40] <exec> Weather for "TheMightyBuzzard" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[01:44:38] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[01:44:29] <Bytram> paulej72: I look at my current 8-year-old laptop and realize it has more computing power than some of the mainframe computers I used to work on.
[01:44:02] <crutchy> whatever time it was for him
[01:43:56] <crutchy> err last night for me
[01:43:50] <crutchy> xlefay was in 32 deg C last night
[01:43:32] <Bytram> crutchy: well, when it's cold, I can just keep putting on more layers to keep warm... when it's hot, there's, ummm, limits. ;)
[01:43:24] <crutchy> yeah. i'm just gunna make another coffee and then start tinkering >:->
[01:42:59] <paulej72> ruuning on a laptop not a proper server.
[01:42:48] <Bytram> crutchy: still a little chilly down your way, eh?
[01:42:47] <crutchy> yeah pretty cold here still. i hate cold weather
[01:42:28] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[01:42:28] <exec> barometric pressure = 1028.2 mb ~ change of 0.9 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 96%
[01:42:28] <exec> temperature = 47.3°F (8.5°C) dewpoint = 46.2°F (7.9°C)
[01:42:27] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-19 23:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.7 hrs ago:
[01:42:25] <Bender> karma - monopoly: 5
[01:42:25] <crutchy> monopoly++
[01:42:25] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[01:42:21] <crutchy> hell yeah
[01:42:16] <Bytram> it's quite a useful tool!
[01:42:08] <Bytram> well, it's good to hear he'll look into it.
[01:41:38] <crutchy> he'll be able to get monopoly going again when he gets back. not sure why it bombed
[01:41:11] <crutchy> he's away for couple of days
[01:41:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 410
[01:41:07] <paulej72> coffee++
[01:41:03] <crutchy> i spoke with chromas last night
[01:41:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 409
[01:41:00] <paulej72> coffee++
[01:40:51] <Bytram> hmmm, I wonder if monopoly has returned?
[01:40:33] <Bender> uppers of coffee are: crutchy: 218, TheMightyBuzzard: 82, Blackmoore: 46, Bytram: 19, MrBluze: 15, mrcoolbp: 9, AndyTheAbsurd: 8, chromas: 5, mattie_p: 5, arti: 5, crutchy_: 3, juggs: 3, TheMightyLaptop: 2, exec: 2, TheMightyBuzzard|Book: 2, Blackmoore|afk: 2, TK: 2, Bytram|away: 1, TheMightyBuzzard|Out: 1, chimp: 1, TheMightyBuzzard|Gone: 1, xlefay: 1, crutchy|zzz: - 1 more
[01:40:33] <crutchy> !whoup coffee
[01:40:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 408
[01:40:21] <Bytram> coffee++
[01:40:14] <Bytram> !coffee+
[01:39:58] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4558, owned by pnkwarhall
[01:39:58] <Bytram> !uid
[01:39:22] <Bytram> got bunches of things still to do, hope to get to bed somewhat early tonight.
[01:39:00] <crutchy> i think that's what weekends were originally intended for :-/
[01:38:52] <Bytram> crutchy: nod nod
[01:38:43] <crutchy> Bytram, down time is good
[01:38:30] <Bytram> Sorry I've been away; been burning the candle at both ends for too long; needed some down-time for a couple days to get back on track.
[01:38:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk a few
[01:38:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8:37pm
[01:38:00] <crutchy> i'm in 'tinkering mode' :-p
[01:37:53] <crutchy> ^running on my lappy atm
[01:37:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you're supposed to notice when exec isn't here.
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[01:37:31] <Bytram> g'day all!
[01:37:29] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[01:37:28] <Bytram> ok, now I'm here!
[01:37:20] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:37:20] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
[01:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> evenin Bytram|away
[01:36:58] <paulej72> sever
[01:36:54] <crutchy> geez i need another coffee
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[01:36:46] <crutchy> server?
[01:36:35] <crutchy> maybe i'm 3po... cos i don't shut up and don't server any real purpose :-p
[01:35:50] <crutchy> hahahaha
[01:35:47] <paulej72> what I need to do now is find out where NCommander put his new backup system
[01:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ethanol-fueled is jar-jar
[01:35:24] <crutchy> NCommander must be darth vader
[01:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, no i want a lightsaber again
[01:35:05] <crutchy> paulej72 is luke, so maybe that would make xlefay obe wan kenobi?
[01:34:26] <paulej72> the other one is TheMightyBuzzard
[01:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do enough admin and dealing with humans already. likely to be fairly busy soon with school starting up.
[01:33:29] <crutchy> lol
[01:33:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, ditto. if nominated i will not run, if elected i will shoot every last bastard who voted for me.
[01:33:10] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, there is another sky... walk... er...
[01:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, Always in motion is the future. Be mindful of the present, yo.
[01:32:44] <crutchy> i prefer code. i hate getting wrapped up in admin crap and red tape
[01:32:16] <crutchy> paulej72, yeah i would think so :-)
[01:31:52] <paulej72> I added three new hats ( co-head of irc, sysops, and qa) hard to write code when doing the other stuff :)
[01:31:36] * crutchy is thinking of using this for his work project. seems like a good thing to have standardized branching convention
[01:31:05] <crutchy> http://nvie.com
[01:30:15] <crutchy> or one in planning?
[01:30:10] <crutchy> is there a bit of a branch system like git-flow for slashcode?
[01:29:56] <paulej72> it is temporary
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[01:29:39] <crutchy> lol
[01:29:37] <crutchy> i just meant in the slashcode network
[01:29:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm winning.
[01:29:18] <crutchy> dunno. i don't use dev
[01:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, or did you mean that unicode's working again on dev?
[01:28:24] <ciri> Essentially, the problemis https doesn't work with that.
[01:28:23] <crutchy> https://github.com
[01:28:08] <paulej72> http://stackoverflow.com
[01:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're a fucking mess
[01:27:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> gods i hope not
[01:27:42] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard i noticed that your repos seems to be the head atm
[01:27:24] <crutchy> lol
[01:27:24] <arti> hah
[01:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72 cleared my big honkin unicode pull request today, so i promptly gave him two more to deal with.
[01:25:48] <arti> or... halloween :D
[01:25:39] <arti> maybe if he does his bear and styles his hair a certain way
[01:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it's just soccer with less annoying players
[01:24:44] <crutchy> nah... foozball is the devil
[01:24:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, are you the devil?
[01:24:11] <arti> unclean, UNCLEAN
[01:23:49] <crutchy> ooh http://kvz.io
[01:23:16] <arti> egon said it best, don't cross the streams
[01:22:37] * crutchy wonders whether its possible to deamonize a php process
[01:22:09] <crutchy> but still looks good
[01:22:04] <crutchy> paulej72, good resource... in c which isn't a language that i'm intimately familiar with
[01:20:41] <juggs> no no, blowing myself up with my own booby traps :D
[01:18:03] <SedBot2> <crutchy> you trying to navigate your way through NCommander's security measures?
[01:18:03] <crutchy> s/booby traps/security measures/
[01:17:50] <crutchy> you trying to navigate your way through NCommander's booby traps?
[01:16:02] <juggs> gahhh! apparmor has tripped me up again ~grr~
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[01:11:02] <arti> Diversity Holes?
[01:10:55] <arti> :|
[01:10:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Do Black Holes Become White Holes? - http://sylnt.us - from-one-hole-to-another
[01:04:55] <paulej72> crutchy: i I need to know the pid so I can write a script to monior the service to see if it is running. I have a cron job that does this for each of teh 6 services that are running for irc.
[01:03:45] <paulej72> http://www.netzmafia.de
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[01:00:10] <crutchy> ii and gawk don't need to know pid's or anything. they just talk using a pipe (in) and file (out)
[00:59:10] <crutchy> paulej72, i have nfi what i'm talking about but is there a bash command to spawn processes into the background, using fork or something?
[00:58:23] <arti> you've got male.
[00:58:00] <paulej72> this is the internet, assume male until proven otherwise :)
[00:57:46] <arti> been sucked into wolfenstein
[00:57:39] <crutchy> g'day arti
[00:57:33] <crutchy> hmm actually instead of editing awk file might be better to change ii working directory
[00:57:24] <arti> g'day
[00:56:17] <crutchy> updated terminal commands a little in http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[00:55:43] <juggs> he/she/they*
[00:55:29] <juggs> he's been having disconnect issues for days
[00:55:25] <crutchy> yeah
[00:53:05] <paulej72> rand seems to have an awful lot of issues when looging in
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[00:51:46] <paulej72> I have the current stuff starting from a @reboot cron job that runs a bunch of startup scripts. Most ran as deamon and properly went into the background themselves. two of them I had to start the python and send the output to /dev/null. it makes it much easier if each behaves it self.
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[00:51:01] <crutchy> need to edit the awk file :-/
[00:50:53] <crutchy> hmm actually i missed a step in the wiki instruction
[00:49:59] <crutchy> i'm not an awk or shell guy though so i'm prolly not the best man for the job
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[00:49:34] <crutchy> might be able to set it up as you say though paulej72
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[00:48:08] <crutchy> i'm just using gnome terminals for proof of concept
[00:47:47] <crutchy> don't need gnome terminals or anything
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[00:47:22] <crutchy> wow what is wrong with my kb?
[00:47:11] <crutchy> set and fforrget
[00:47:04] <crutchy> just use screen is prolly easiest
[00:46:55] <crutchy> can run from carbon
[00:46:31] <paulej72> why does sedbot need to run from open terminals. It should be setup to run as a deamon, preferably witing a pid file for itself. Then I could run it from carbon without user intervention.
[00:43:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 407
[00:43:59] <crutchy> coffee++
[00:43:57] <crutchy> oops
[00:43:52] <crutchy> coffee
[00:41:38] <Bender> karma - coke: 1
[00:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coke++
[00:41:01] <juggs> crutchy - ahh, I see it now - think I had some caching going on
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[00:33:56] <crutchy> hi rand. you having some connection troubles?
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[00:25:02] <crutchy> k np :-)
[00:24:57] <crutchy> one screen session is for ii and the other is for the sedbot script loop
[00:24:47] <juggs> bbiaf
[00:24:44] <juggs> I think I'm going blind :D
[00:23:42] <crutchy> i can put screen commands in there too i guess, but you guys prolly know screen better than i do anyway
[00:22:58] <crutchy> is it there or have i botched the wiki update :-/
[00:22:11] <crutchy> but you can prolly get the jist
[00:21:59] <crutchy> i prolly need to put a wget after the mkdir
[00:21:44] <crutchy> there's two <pre> sections for 2 terminal sessions that i'm using
[00:21:18] <crutchy> there's a bit under "using sedbot:"
[00:20:51] <juggs> crutchy, I don't see much at http://wiki.soylentnews.org - or did you mean instructions for use as opposed to instructions on how to setup?
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[00:16:01] <crutchy> cool
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[00:15:31] <juggs> crutchy, yup I am on the team. Still going through the process of getting all my access / permissions etc setup
[00:15:18] <crutchy> atm its just running on my laptop, so its not a permanent solution
[00:14:54] <crutchy> i documented how to do it here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[00:14:41] <crutchy> we should get sedbot running on the irc server in a screen session or something
[00:14:07] <crutchy> juggs... you on the irc team now yeah?
[00:13:33] <SedBot2> <crutchy> lol ciri missed SedBot as well :-p
[00:13:33] <crutchy> s/SedBot2/SedBot/
[00:13:24] <crutchy> lol ciri missed SedBot2 as well :-p
[00:13:04] <ciri> <Juggs> shouldn;t give it a mexican restauraunt... Nachos' al poutine.
[00:13:03] <SedBot2> <juggs> flah
[00:13:03] <juggs> s/b/f/
[00:12:55] <juggs> blah
[00:10:19] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[00:10:19] <crutchy> SedBot's back!
[00:10:13] <crutchy> woohoo
[00:10:09] <SedBot2> <crytchy> ~sex off
[00:10:09] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[00:10:04] * SedBot2 offers critchy a /
[00:10:04] <crutchy> s/d/x
[00:09:54] <crutchy> ~sed off
[00:09:49] <crutchy> blah
[00:08:54] <crutchy> test
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