#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-13

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[00:10:50] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[00:11:16] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - The Solutions to Our Problems Buried in PDFs - http://sylnt.us - truth-may-not-be-pleasant
[00:16:57] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|afk
[00:53:15] <michealpwalls> Almost got the VM downloaded..
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[01:08:50] <paulej72> yea
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[01:22:10] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Exposure to a Disgusting Odorant Increases Conservative Views - http://sylnt.us - we-didnt-have-unpleasant-odors-in-my-day
[01:55:54] <NCommander> Cool, I'm in the top three of idlerpg again
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[01:59:27] * chromas is apower bottom
[02:05:33] * SirFinkus 's ears perk up
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[02:08:46] * SedBot is a power button
[02:09:20] * chromas generates a tremendous amount of power; SedBot turns him on
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[02:25:44] <swiss> ciri: huh?
[02:25:53] <swiss> 12:16:07 #Soylent: < ciri> Swiss, ah oke.
[02:28:28] * NCommander just issued the first spambot ban
[02:29:27] <chromas> Was it apk?
[02:31:03] <chromas> /etc/soylenthosts
[02:40:02] <Tachyon_> !current-uid
[02:40:02] <deadpeas> The current maximum UID is 4313, owned by Steve_Hive
[02:40:39] <NCommander> chromas, AC link soam
[02:41:09] <chromas> Damn
[02:41:39] <chromas> There's a filter: more than three links or any duplicate links
[02:44:32] <cykros> psh, a 4 digit uid, noob
[02:46:48] <chromas> I said the same thing when I signed up and saw my uid
[02:47:05] <n1> lol
[02:47:15] <cykros> i just made it into the three digit crowd
[02:47:43] <n1> me too, just 993.
[02:50:47] * NCommander is in the one digit crowd :-)
[02:52:38] * chromas didn't want to get spanked pre-testing and stayed away
[02:53:01] <chromas> What does uid 0 do?
[02:53:09] <NCommander> THere's no uid 0
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[02:53:14] <NCommander> AC is UID 1
[02:53:15] <chromas> And can I get a negative one?
[02:53:18] <SoyCow8580> halo
[02:53:24] <SoyCow8580> hillo
[02:53:25] <NCommander> chromas, possibly, I had UID -1 briefly
[02:53:33] <SoyCow8580> hlllllll
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[02:53:40] <NCommander> WHen we migrate to postgres, its possible all our UIDs will drop by one
[02:53:47] <NCommander> (i.e., I'll be UID 1, etc.)
[02:54:09] <n1> :o
[02:54:22] <chromas> Aw; mine's an even number. Can I drop by two?
[02:54:44] <n1> 992 isn't as good as 993 :(
[02:55:15] <mattie_p> aww, I like lucky 13
[02:55:16] <chromas> n1: you can have my number and I can take NCommander's current
[02:55:53] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[02:56:03] <n1> heh, i like that :p
[02:56:41] * MrBluze looks forward to being 46
[02:56:47] <MrBluze> or do we look backward?
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[02:57:04] <chromas> Look decrementally
[02:57:15] * MrBluze looks decrementally at chromas
[02:57:34] <MrBluze> --,
[02:57:45] <chromas> 34--
[02:57:45] <deadpeas> karma - 34: -1
[02:57:50] <MrBluze> clowns look incrementally ++,
[02:58:19] <n1> lol
[02:58:21] <MrBluze> how are ya chromas
[02:58:28] <MrBluze> hi n1
[02:58:52] <n1> hi, MrBluze
[02:58:58] <chromas> Doing okay. Just harassing the boss with lame puns and stuff
[02:59:07] <chromas> poor NCommander
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[02:59:38] <SpallsHurgenson> I want a 9-digit UID
[03:00:04] <chromas> Nine 0s
[03:00:40] <n1> n1 (-1) would be nice.
[03:01:19] <MrBluze> i wonder if the site could be a CA for my messaging program
[03:01:29] <chromas> I'll take min(uid) so it looks like an overflow
[03:01:33] <MrBluze> ... will need a network of CA's
[03:02:11] <chromas> We just need to all sign each other's certs, like high skool
[03:02:31] <SpallsHurgenson> you went to a very different high school than did I :)
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[03:03:06] <SpallsHurgenson> to yoda HS apparently I went!
[03:04:36] <chromas> Well, technically they were breath mints...
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[03:05:16] <chromas> How many signatures do you think could fit on one Certs?
[03:05:50] <MrBluze> any number
[03:06:06] <MrBluze> the certifying authority just certifies that people that belong to it, are actualy people
[03:06:08] <chromas> You must have a small pen
[03:06:10] <MrBluze> and not some kind of bot
[03:06:39] <chromas> Certs brand mints
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[03:07:58] <chromas> Putting in a negative uid gives me the login page
[03:08:08] <chromas> I think /. does that too. I'm not actually logged out, though
[03:08:13] <chromas> It's just that page
[03:09:11] <MrBluze> can u turn that into a vulnerability?
[03:09:12] <ciri> Fast if u limit yourself to 64 colours.
[03:09:33] <MrBluze> if i post as -47, do i unpost?
[03:09:38] * MrBluze grins
[03:10:02] <chromas> You take that back!
[03:10:13] <chromas> That's how you edit
[03:10:41] <MrBluze> post as --and furthermore he's full of ...
[03:10:51] <MrBluze> then ++i endorse this guy for president.
[03:11:41] * chromas endorses any random guy (or gal) off the street for Prez
[03:12:00] <n1> we'd probably have better luck picking a name out of a hat every 4 years
[03:12:44] <chromas> Free Hat! Free Hat!
[03:13:01] <SpallsHurgenson> can I be president? I have all sorts of <diabolic laugh> ideas!
[03:13:17] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson:++ for Prez!
[03:13:32] <chromas> Mouse cursor was right over the :
[03:13:52] * SpallsHurgenson institutes a national kidney exchange... every tuesday, mandatory for all citizens :)
[03:14:06] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: however terrible your ideas may seem, at least they're something different
[03:14:23] <chromas> Except for that.
[03:14:27] <SpallsHurgenson> Dofferemt;u
[03:14:29] <n1> hah
[03:14:40] * chromas ^H's kidney is pure of heart
[03:14:44] <SpallsHurgenson> Differently Terrible will be my campaign slogan :)
[03:15:35] <chromas> Actually, strike that. Nothing says it has to be MY kidneys I give up
[03:16:46] * chromas rummages through Drawer of Miscellaneousness
[03:17:17] <SpallsHurgenson> when my ratings in the poll start to sink, I will declare War On Myself
[03:17:34] <mattie_p> no, you should declare on albania
[03:17:48] <chromas> Declare a War on War
[03:18:01] <n1> chromas++
[03:18:01] <deadpeas> karma - chromas: 9
[03:18:01] <chromas> Teach War who's boss
[03:18:50] <chromas> My karma's lower than my uid
[03:19:30] <n1> just shows its fair ;)
[03:20:07] <chromas> Especially after all those things I said about _NSAKEY
[03:20:44] <SpallsHurgenson> huh. I just typed in my username and no password and it automatically logged me in. I /really/ hope that was because my browser automatically filled the password in for me :)
[03:20:56] <n1> SpallsHurgenson, i think so
[03:21:11] <n1> sometimes when i go on the site it forgets im logged in, just need to go onto another page and it remembers
[03:21:37] <SpallsHurgenson> I was unaware websites could become senile
[03:21:37] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Why Python is Slow: Looking Under the Hood - http://sylnt.us - it's-dark-in-here
[03:21:38] <chromas> I see that a lot on Android firefox
[03:21:51] <n1> thats how it appears, SpallsHurgenson lol
[03:22:13] <n1> i've not noticed it on any other site, i use Opera.
[03:22:22] <n1> but it happens quite frequently on SN
[03:23:41] <n1> SpallsHurgenson, i tried to login as you with a random password - didn't work.
[03:23:59] <n1> same with no pass
[03:24:48] <MrBluze> looking under the hood? that's what SHE said
[03:31:59] * n1 slow clap
[03:32:30] * MrBluze picks up the rotten tomatoes and sells them in the market
[03:32:41] <n1> lol
[03:37:09] <MrBluze> n1..
[03:37:21] <MrBluze> i used to be an editor .. not much of one i admit .. but
[03:37:48] <MrBluze> i'd grab a paragraph from the article and just chuck it in there to spur discussion
[03:38:24] <MrBluze> not easy cause it's all a bit dot-pointy hmm
[03:39:54] <MrBluze> "it boils down to.. " etc
[03:43:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm confused.
[03:44:08] * FoobarBazbot kicks himself soundly and repeatedly
[03:46:15] <FoobarBazbot> spent over a day trying to figure out how to make bluez pand work on my Android tablet. Turns out they switched Bluetooth stacks in Jelly Bean
[03:47:01] <FoobarBazbot> just go to settings, tap the checkbox, no pand req'd.
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[03:53:59] <SpallsHurgenson> it's more than a month early, but I think I will officially declare today the first day of summer.
[03:56:52] <MrBluze> i gotta go do some work again.. see yaz
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[04:09:27] <sgleysti> hey, glenn greenwald's site https://firstlook.org finally has some new articles up
[04:09:34] <sgleysti> his book comes out tomorrow
[04:09:44] <sgleysti> but more importantly, he's going to release a bunch more NSA docs
[04:10:44] <sgleysti> I would submit articles to soylent, but I'm too lazy
[04:11:06] <sgleysti> so... if anyone in here wants a good lead to a source of nice Snowden articles, this is it
[04:12:04] <sgleysti> SpallsHurgenson, KonomiNetbook, and Blackmoore I'm looking at you
[04:12:10] <sgleysti> (since no one seems to be active)
[04:12:18] <Konomi> um I haven't said crap for ages ;p
[04:12:30] <sgleysti> yeah, I just picked out some names
[04:12:30] <Konomi> "active"
[04:12:32] <sgleysti> :)
[04:12:37] <SpallsHurgenson> me neither. I'm a ghost!
[04:12:49] <sgleysti> oooOOOOOoooo
[04:13:53] <sgleysti> btw, you guys have any good webcomics that you like?
[04:15:09] <sgleysti> ah, nm. good night guys
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[04:25:17] * SpallsHurgenson reads webcomics but doesn't really enjoy any of 'em :)
[04:27:09] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, it's still 75 degrees outside
[04:57:21] <bryan> xkcd / whatif is a webcomic :P
[05:02:02] <SpallsHurgenson> if you want
[05:02:08] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Windows 8.1 Update Requirement Extended - http://sylnt.us - windows-security-paradox
[05:03:29] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, a whole three months. MS is being so generous
[05:07:12] <SpallsHurgenson> Microsoft seems really keen on driving away all their corporate customers
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[05:26:47] * SpallsHurgenson sings, "Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies, farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain!"
[05:27:20] <chromas> Are you leaving?
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[05:27:36] <chromas> I didn't mean it like that
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[06:20:14] <SirFinkus> "Crazy Stone and Nomitan are locked in a game of Go, the Eastern version of chess."
[06:20:21] <SirFinkus> hate sloppy writing like this
[06:20:30] <SirFinkus> they're completely different games
[06:20:53] <SirFinkus> and I'm 95% sure Go predates Chess
[06:24:34] <swiss> lol
[06:28:19] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[06:30:13] <MrBluze> hmm no xlefay for some days now
[06:30:21] <MrBluze> anyone spoken to him lately?
[06:31:44] <arti> maybe he found a human female
[06:32:00] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Byproduct of Marine Bacteria Kills Cancer Cells - http://sylnt.us - chasing-the-cancer-cure-dragon
[06:32:01] * arti hopes he remembers to poke air holes in the habitat this time
[06:32:39] <MrBluze> good idea, arti
[06:32:39] <SirFinkus> or better yet, built one
[06:32:39] <ciri> Stay classy arti.
[06:32:45] * arti tips hat
[06:32:49] <MrBluze> human female? what's that?
[06:32:57] <arti> MrBluze: they're like males but different
[06:33:28] <MrBluze> still with a beard?
[06:33:40] <MrBluze> but with mascara?
[06:34:02] * arti had some fun today debugging an application which didn't account for the umask
[06:34:27] * arti resists an urge to photoshop a gimli picture with eyeliner
[06:34:41] <MrBluze> u dont need to photoshop
[06:34:49] <MrBluze> just go to austria
[06:35:16] * arti has had good luck with austrians
[06:35:20] <swiss> SirFinkus: Go is relatively new
[06:35:25] <arti> -_-
[06:35:26] <arti> not that go
[06:35:28] <swiss> :P
[06:35:41] * arti fondles swiss in greeting
[06:35:54] <swiss> lolol
[06:35:56] <swiss> <3
[06:36:00] <swiss> i burned my thumb :(
[06:36:03] <swiss> video games hurt
[06:36:08] <arti> were you touching some hot ass again?
[06:36:11] <MrBluze> i saw one at eurovision
[06:36:13] <SirFinkus> well, the board game is from 1046 bc
[06:36:13] <MrBluze> was that a female?
[06:36:25] <swiss> SirFinkus: but google only invented it recently!
[06:36:26] <SirFinkus> according to the wikipedia
[06:36:31] <SirFinkus> har har
[06:36:39] <swiss> if by ass you mean trasmission bolt
[06:36:41] <swiss> then yes
[06:37:07] <arti> yeah those get pretty hot
[06:37:19] * arti recommends a transmission radiator
[06:37:27] <SirFinkus> so the go programming language is an eastern variant of chess?
[06:37:34] <SirFinkus> seems like they put a lot of effort into it
[06:37:45] <swiss> SirFinkus: never said whoever wrote the article was smart, or knew what they were talking about
[06:37:47] <arti> if there is any strategy, it's compared to chess
[06:37:52] <swiss> either they never programmed, or they never played chess
[06:38:03] <arti> it's not like journalists need to be educated on what they're writing about
[06:38:06] <arti> it's all about the wc
[06:38:06] <swiss> yeah, i forgot that I can't tell if this thumb is getting burned (bad heat receptors) and was hand tightening the bolt
[06:38:07] <SirFinkus> guy who wrote the article is a jackass
[06:38:26] <arti> chmod that bit off
[06:38:36] <swiss> lol
[06:38:43] * SirFinkus adds Alan Levinovitz to his shit list
[06:38:56] <arti> do you chant it like whatsherface in GoT?
[06:39:02] <arti> holding needle and shit before bed
[06:42:27] <MrBluze> SirFinkus: wise move
[06:42:58] <arti> how's the back?
[06:44:44] <SirFinkus> mostly better now
[06:45:01] <SirFinkus> had to miss a concert though, pretty bummed about that
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[06:47:34] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[06:51:20] <SirFinkus> "Crazy Stone and Zen work their magic on commercially available 64-core hardware."
[06:51:45] <SirFinkus> he probably means 64bit
[06:52:04] <SirFinkus> given he was talking about how the programs were running on laptops
[06:52:19] <SirFinkus> granted, the laptops could have just been used as dumb terminals
[06:52:31] <SirFinkus> but it's established the the writer just makes shit up
[06:53:09] <MrBluze> yup
[06:53:19] <MrBluze> he's a genius, just ask his mother
[06:53:24] <MrBluze> back soon :)
[06:53:34] <NCommander> I'm a fucking mess
[06:53:58] MrBluze is now known as MrBluze|afk
[07:05:24] MrBluze|afk is now known as MrBluze
[07:05:48] <SirFinkus> "Caught between atheism and a crippling fear of death, Ray Kurzweil and other futurists feed this mischaracterization by trumpeting the impending technological apotheosis of humanity, their breathless idiocy echoing through popular media."
[07:05:55] <SirFinkus> lol, it got even stupider
[07:06:40] <MrBluze> SirFinkus: they are silver tongued people
[07:06:48] <MrBluze> but they are still full of shyte
[07:06:49] <MrBluze> hi NCommander
[07:06:57] <NCommander> hey MrBluze
[07:07:04] <MrBluze> how's things mate
[07:07:11] <NCommander> Doubleplus ungood
[07:07:18] * NCommander is having an anxiety attack >.<;
[07:07:37] <NCommander> I haven't had one in years
[07:07:37] <MrBluze> oh .. they are awful
[07:07:44] <NCommander> Like since I was 15
[07:07:44] <SirFinkus> well, I don't really have any feelings about Ray Kurzweil or other futurists, but the author of this article tacked on this bullshit at the end
[07:07:46] <MrBluze> u stressing out?
[07:07:50] <SirFinkus> it was... tacky
[07:07:58] <MrBluze> i got those before my exams
[07:08:17] <NCommander> MrBluze, yeah, current job shit
[07:08:24] <MrBluze> SirFinkus: they hide their bs more or less well, but they all are full of it
[07:08:44] <SirFinkus> well, it really had nothing at all to do with the article
[07:08:49] <MrBluze> NCommander: poor sleep wont help.. u exercising enough?
[07:09:00] <NCommander> MrBluze, as much as I can
[07:09:07] <MrBluze> that's good
[07:09:14] <MrBluze> do the 7 minute high intensity thing ..
[07:09:16] <SirFinkus> this guy had a pulpit, and couldn't resist tossing a dig at these guys
[07:09:26] <MrBluze> it is proven to improve stress tolerance
[07:09:29] <NCommander> MrBluze, yeah
[07:09:49] <MrBluze> honest to goodness, i am doing it.. am coping with the stress of my job much better as a result
[07:10:12] <MrBluze> SirFinkus: he is a member of the bullshitting class .. they talk their way out of doing any actual work
[07:11:05] <SirFinkus> the link to the subject of the article at hand is tenuous at best
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[07:29:56] * KonomiNetbook hugs NCommander
[07:30:28] <arti> maybe you need something to pet
[07:30:32] * arti manifests a goat
[07:31:03] * JamesNZ slaughters arti and makes a stew out of him
[07:31:12] mrcoolbp is now known as mrcool|zzz
[07:31:19] <arti> lol, now i can say you willingly put me in your mouth
[07:31:20] <ciri> Lol i forgot how entertaining that is ripping off its customers, even though i don't do cow art.
[07:31:40] <JamesNZ> arti: Oops, I take that back :P
[07:31:59] <arti> LET THE RECORD STATE
[07:32:31] * JamesNZ obliterates the record
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[07:33:15] <arti> :)
[07:35:18] <SirFinkus> “Thon Taddeo is coming. There’ll be need of a goat before it’s finished. You can be sure of that.” He chuckled smugly to himself.” lol just read that
[07:36:00] <arti> what's the 7 minute thing?
[07:36:15] <arti> is it moving your arms like a hummingbird?
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[07:55:07] <arti> damn, 2 days, 22:08:37 is removed from kobach's clock.
[07:57:39] <SirFinkus> I started on the rizon irpg, it's no fun
[07:57:45] <SirFinkus> I can't bash fools in it
[07:57:56] <SirFinkus> it's all PvE
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[09:48:10] <arti> :D
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[10:11:07] * crutchy is eating cheap donuts
[10:22:23] <chromas> doughnuts++
[10:22:23] <deadpeas> karma - doughnuts: 1
[10:22:26] <chromas> donuts++
[10:22:27] <deadpeas> karma - donuts: 2
[10:24:23] <chromas> There sure are a lot of Linux forum link sites popping up: linuxhospital; linuxine... :-(
[10:24:43] <chromas> They appear in search results but just have links to the actual forums plus ads
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[10:38:24] <crutchy> is it just me or has xlefay fallen off the edge of the earth?
[10:40:07] <chromas> Sure seems that way
[10:41:07] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - UK Conservatives Want More Internet Spying Powers for MI5 - http://sylnt.us - most-comprehensive-surveillance-in-the-world-is-not-enough
[10:44:24] * Brylarke sighs
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[10:48:38] <arti> well if you like i can make a flatline of him
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[11:42:56] <crutchy> maybe he fell off the wagon!
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[11:44:53] <prospectacle> emscripten is revolutionary. I just loaded monkey island running on scummvm running in a web-browser without plugins. On the other hand, emscriptening c code instead of designing a web-app from scratch means load-times are not taken into account.
[11:44:57] <prospectacle> things like web-quake take ages to load
[11:45:20] <prospectacle> by which i mean "quakejs"
[11:47:42] <prospectacle> banana bread (i.e. sauerbraten for web) is not much better
[11:50:01] <MrBluze> prospectacle: hi
[11:50:26] <prospectacle> hi mrbluze, how's your 60 hr week going?
[11:50:30] <MrBluze> i have qt with qca working .. so when i get time i will test the public key thing with u
[11:50:40] <MrBluze> prospectacle: im a bit tired.. worked most of last night
[11:50:43] <prospectacle> mine's going well. I pulled an all-nighter on sunday but had a client-demo today and it went off without a hitch.
[11:50:47] <MrBluze> until about 4am and slept 2 hrs lol
[11:50:50] <prospectacle> yeah I know how you feel
[11:51:00] <prospectacle> I say all nighter, I probably got an hour's sleep
[11:51:13] <prospectacle> anyway, better today, so I can tell you think will get better. Hang in there!
[11:51:13] <MrBluze> but we have to address MITM attack possibility with duffie-hellman
[11:51:20] <MrBluze> :)
[11:51:20] <prospectacle> hmm
[11:51:38] <prospectacle> I'll learn about it...
[11:52:06] <MrBluze> it's tricky.. not many solutions fit this application
[11:52:09] <chromas> Or for the west side, duffie-bestfood
[11:52:30] <MrBluze> see, thing is, when you and I do a key exchange... someone can pretend to be you and pretend to be me - and we are none the wiser
[11:52:47] <MrBluze> that person will hand on the unmodified message on, just listening
[11:53:23] <MrBluze> .. one way is a certifying authority handling the hash of the public keys to make sure they are the legitimate ones
[11:55:15] <prospectacle> yes mitm is a problem for initial key exchange.
[11:55:33] <prospectacle> one option off the top of my head is to use two independent methods. e.g I'll skype and email you my key
[11:55:42] <MrBluze> yep
[11:55:43] <prospectacle> or I'll post it to comp.misc and I'll put it on your wikipedia user page
[11:55:47] <MrBluze> actually swap two pairs of keys
[11:55:53] <MrBluze> pkey 1 and pkey 2
[11:56:07] <MrBluze> one contains half a secret, the other the other half
[11:56:27] <prospectacle> yeah. or even if they were the same one. You can say "yep it was the same on both of these separate websites, and I checked them from multiple computers/internet connections'
[11:56:40] <prospectacle> the higher the number the higher the confidence
[11:56:45] <MrBluze> indeed
[11:57:10] <prospectacle> websites-posted-to * computers-used-to-check * internet-connections-used-check = level of confidence
[11:57:11] <MrBluze> well u can do either swap by two paths (in absence of a certifying trusted party) or have a certifying authority
[11:57:26] <prospectacle> how do you certify the certifying authority?
[11:57:38] <prospectacle> I mean are they also vulnerable to a mitm?
[11:57:38] <MrBluze> in person
[11:57:42] <prospectacle> right
[11:57:45] <prospectacle> I see
[11:57:46] <MrBluze> they are, if they didnt do it right
[11:58:09] <MrBluze> thing about two routes though, they cannot be both via tcp
[11:58:38] <MrBluze> one should be, eg: via tor, the other by the web, or by email.. yeah or skype file t/fer or something unexpected
[11:59:03] <MrBluze> .. the scenario i have imagined, is your ISP is onto you, right .. it impersonates every certificate u use
[11:59:38] <prospectacle> right
[11:59:44] <prospectacle> so you use two isps and two computers
[11:59:49] <MrBluze> yep
[12:00:16] <crutchy> did someone mention the redundant department of redundancy?
[12:00:20] <prospectacle> I think from a skimming of diffi-hellman, it doesn't remove the problem of public-key exchange, it just provides a different version of the same problem
[12:00:25] <MrBluze> thanks for reiterating it, crutchy :) and hi
[12:00:33] <prospectacle> hi crutchy
[12:00:37] <crutchy> fucking gimp
[12:00:43] <crutchy> i suck at image editing
[12:00:53] <crutchy> hi mrbluze,prospectacle
[12:01:09] <MrBluze> prospectacle: the d-h method is sound, but just have to do something to make it robust
[12:01:11] * crutchy opens good ol' ms paint
[12:01:12] <prospectacle> crutchy, gimp is hard. I find just google anything you can't do on first or second attempt. There's a million tutorials out there, many of them quite good.
[12:01:41] <prospectacle> mrbluze, it's not that it's not sound. It just doesn't appear any less vulnerable ot mitm than exchanging public keys is.
[12:02:02] <MrBluze> .. if you swap two different sets of keys, by two different routes
[12:02:03] <crutchy> what about tunneling?
[12:02:24] <prospectacle> mrbluze, yes that would improve your odds greatly
[12:02:25] <MrBluze> firstly the mitm cannot easily guess you are talking to the same person necessarily
[12:02:29] <crutchy> setting up a tunnel is prone to mitm i guess
[12:02:49] <MrBluze> crutchy: the whole thing is prone, especially if you are using just one route - that the interceptor owns
[12:02:50] <ciri> I bet aqu4 will win some hearts and minds of people have been open this whole shutting down of games for windows live kinda sucks balls, eh?
[12:03:23] <crutchy> ciri, you're sirry
[12:03:33] <prospectacle> mrbluze, if you're swapping multiple keys in multiple routes, you can just do, as you sait, half your public key in each one, or else two public keys, or the same key twice. We can just use the current method of openssl key generation/publication.
[12:03:37] <MrBluze> secondly, using two key pairs instead of one, the secret in each pair is unguessable, especially if both messages encrypt basicall what looks like random
[12:03:55] <MrBluze> .. true
[12:04:08] <crutchy> need a cone of silence
[12:04:09] <MrBluze> u could send your key by one path, and the key-encrypted message by another route
[12:04:15] <prospectacle> yes
[12:04:31] <MrBluze> as long as the key encrypted message is opened .. perhaps it unpacks to reveal the hash of the original key
[12:05:16] <MrBluze> well.. that has to be part of the protocol ..
[12:06:24] <MrBluze> .. i also thought of one more feature
[12:06:34] <prospectacle> mrbluze mitm is a problem. We could have a score relating to each identity. For most people, they do their banking and skyping on their home isp and therefore they trust it enough to do most things. So they'll be happy with a score of 1.
[12:06:49] <MrBluze> ... fools :)
[12:07:07] <MrBluze> the other feature is a file sharing feature :) :) :)
[12:07:19] <MrBluze> using our file system, we break large files up into chunks by default
[12:07:20] <prospectacle> Other people can go to another computer. double check their contact's public key from a different website, and compare it to their home one. If it matches, the score is 8 (2 websites * 2 internet connections * 2 computers)
[12:07:36] <MrBluze> prospectacle: that is very good
[12:07:57] <prospectacle> once the initial key is exchanged, mitm becomes virtually impossible. You'd need to get access to the private key first.
[12:08:03] <prospectacle> which is a separate problem.
[12:08:08] <MrBluze> ... the file sharing one - u designate a large file u want to share with a friend
[12:09:01] <prospectacle> you could do a bit-torrent type thing where each file-chunk is numbered.
[12:09:05] <MrBluze> yes
[12:09:07] <prospectacle> Maybe you get different parts from different friends.
[12:09:16] <MrBluze> yep exactly
[12:09:19] <prospectacle> Once you get them all you concatenate, unzip, etc.
[12:09:27] <prospectacle> Yeah that would be cool
[12:09:27] <MrBluze> yup
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[12:09:48] <MrBluze> u could say "donate 100mb per month to transfers for my contacts"
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[12:10:12] <MrBluze> so if you have mutual contacts u help to send files across
[12:10:16] <prospectacle> you mean act as a conduit for your friends?
[12:10:22] <prospectacle> interesting
[12:10:33] <MrBluze> yeah .. so the packets can arrive by alternative routes
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[12:10:46] <prospectacle> sounds like once the initial exchange/protocol/trust-score is worked out, there are many layers and applications could be built on top of this.
[12:10:54] <MrBluze> very much so !
[12:11:01] <MrBluze> ok bbiab :)
[12:11:08] <prospectacle> I mean if we made the basic trasport system robust, other people could easily build a file-transfer app on top of that.
[12:11:09] <prospectacle> ok
[12:11:16] <MrBluze> yeah totally :)
[12:11:18] <MrBluze> ok bbiab
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[12:11:55] <prospectacle> hey crutchy, have you looked at emscripten?
[12:12:36] <crutchy> haven't heard of it
[12:12:54] <crutchy> sounds kinda german... like das airfloggen fan
[12:13:06] <prospectacle> it compiles C and C++ code to javascript/asm.js, so you can run any old program directly in your browser with no plugins
[12:13:09] <prospectacle> it's made by a guy at mozilla
[12:13:24] <prospectacle> e.g. you can do this with it: http://clb.demon.fi
[12:13:53] <prospectacle> (that's scummvm with various old school adventure games)
[12:14:09] <prospectacle> (even sam and max!)
[12:15:28] <crutchy> html5 app?
[12:15:48] <prospectacle> yeah
[12:16:32] <crutchy> is the vm running in a jail on the server?
[12:16:35] <prospectacle> so you take your c++ code (e.g. quake) and you compile to LLVM (an intermediate bytecode used by many compilers) and the you run that through emscripten, which turns it into standard Javascript, then you run it in your browser
[12:16:50] <prospectacle> and bingo, browser quake without flash/java/etc
[12:17:15] <prospectacle> crutchy, it runs in the browser itself, so it's the same sandbox as any browser-side javascript
[12:17:25] <crutchy> ah
[12:17:52] <crutchy> so not a native vm, but a kind of converter/interpreter
[12:18:06] <prospectacle> exactly
[12:18:09] <crutchy> or i guess converter, and then the browser interprets the js
[12:18:12] <prospectacle> yes
[12:18:31] <prospectacle> a "cross-compiler" they call it, becuase it compiles one language to another ,instead of one language to machine code
[12:19:12] <crutchy> so it converts bytecode to js
[12:19:12] <prospectacle> it's pretty awesome, I don't know if you used to play day of the tentacle, or sam and max, or monkey island, but that link is just one example of re-compiling old programs to run directly in browser
[12:19:16] <prospectacle> It's a brave new world.
[12:19:18] <prospectacle> Crutchy, yes, exactly
[12:19:31] <prospectacle> pretty cool, really. It means the sky's the limit.
[12:19:47] <crutchy> hmm. yeah
[12:19:49] <prospectacle> It also means the stuff loads very slowly (so much code). But I guess you can't have everything
[12:20:38] <crutchy> i'm guessing the js isn't human-readable
[12:21:05] <crutchy> arbitrary variable names, etc
[12:21:18] <prospectacle> probably not. that's a good question, I haven't read it.
[12:21:32] <crutchy> probably numeric variable names
[12:21:50] <crutchy> would be as close to bytecode as js could get i assume
[12:22:09] <crutchy> good idea though
[12:22:13] <prospectacle> here's a good one to really show off the power. you may have seen it already: https://developer.cdn.mozilla.net
[12:22:24] <prospectacle> that's sauerbrate/cube2 (3d game engine) running in js
[12:22:44] <prospectacle> takes about 1 minute to load the resources though
[12:23:02] <crutchy> i guess it kinda hinges on the html5 canvas, which has opened up lots of possibilities
[12:23:53] <prospectacle> it sure has
[12:24:02] <prospectacle> things are really coming together
[12:24:15] <prospectacle> Once they can agree on a sound and video format, that will be the last pieces of the puzzle
[12:24:22] <prospectacle> you can generate sound data programatically in the browser
[12:24:36] <prospectacle> This means you could make a music-synthesiser/editor in the browser
[12:27:20] <crutchy> probably also means that you could make a browser into an operating system, and dispense with all compiled software, instead running everything as apps through a "browser" window manager
[12:27:51] <prospectacle> yes
[12:28:00] <prospectacle> I reckon that's where it's heading
[12:28:17] <prospectacle> everything below the browser is hardware as far as I'm concerned.
[12:28:19] <crutchy> chrome os kinda comes to mind
[12:28:20] <ciri> Japanese bakery <3 chrome remote desktop.
[12:29:40] <prospectacle> yeah, when the iphone first came out they wanted poeple to make web-apps instead of native ones. They had the right idea but were 10 years to early
[12:30:08] <prospectacle> soon 90% of apps will be web-based
[12:30:40] <prospectacle> here's original mac operating system running in a web browser
[12:30:41] <prospectacle> http://jamesfriend.com.au
[12:31:00] <prospectacle> has shuffle-puck cafe and everything
[12:31:15] <crutchy> who's going to make the first html5 window manager for x?
[12:32:15] <prospectacle> oh that's been done already I saw it last yearh
[12:32:19] <prospectacle> hang on will see if i can find it
[12:35:47] <prospectacle> http://www.youtube.com
[12:41:37] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - VI vs Emacs - 40 Years In - http://sylnt.us - war-to-end-all-wars
[12:41:56] <prospectacle> oh vi vs emacs? I can solve this one quickly
[12:42:31] <crutchy> gate one looks like a good start
[12:42:35] <prospectacle> vi key-bindings in emacs when it's available, vi proper when emacs isn't available
[12:42:43] <crutchy> looks like its just running inside a browser though
[12:42:55] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah I couldn't find any good recent updates about gate one. Maybe it's on hold
[12:42:56] <crutchy> google chrome
[12:44:04] <prospectacle> crutchy, oh I thought that's what you meant. My mistake
[12:51:58] <TheMightyBuzzard|AFK> coffee++
[12:51:58] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 70
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[13:09:23] <crutchy> it would be cool to just have a html5 canvas as the entire screen (with no other overheads)
[13:09:48] <crutchy> and things like window handling etc is all done by the wm html5 app
[13:10:01] <crutchy> as well as panels, menus, etc
[13:10:24] <crutchy> maybe could use that bytecode to js converter thing to make a js version of gtk
[13:10:28] <crutchy> that would be cool
[13:10:32] <MrBluze> back
[13:10:37] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[13:10:40] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[13:10:45] <crutchy> i'm just ramblling
[13:11:01] <crutchy> no wonder my stats are so high
[13:11:04] <MrBluze> very healthy
[13:11:07] <MrBluze> i do the same
[13:11:08] <prospectacle> crutchy, well you can put the browser into full-screen mode. Then inside the browser you could run a html5 window manager
[13:11:34] <MrBluze> that sounds very cloudish
[13:11:37] <crutchy> prospectacle: true, but would be even cooler if the html5 canvas *was* the window manager
[13:11:54] <crutchy> as in no browser
[13:12:29] <crutchy> just X -> html5_wm_engine -> canvas -> everything else
[13:13:29] <crutchy> i guess it could be just a web browser but without the fluff
[13:15:18] <prospectacle> crutchy, true. I reckon that's likely the future
[13:15:30] <prospectacle> once webgl is good enough, why use anything else?
[13:15:50] <prospectacle> for basic forms: html widgets, for anything else, canvas
[13:16:43] <prospectacle> crutchy. I believe chrome-os and web-os may have made some moves in the direction your describe
[13:16:51] <crutchy> might even prompt the w3c to look into some kind of bytecode standard for web apps
[13:17:23] <crutchy> to replace js
[13:17:25] <prospectacle> crutchy, yes the js problem (only universal language, performance not great) is a problem. It's amazing the solutions people have come up with so far.
[13:17:49] <prospectacle> asm.js is good. It's a subset of js, so ti works in all browser, but in thsoe browsers that understand it, they can compile it into more efficient code with type-safety, etc.
[13:18:14] <prospectacle> that's firefox's solution
[13:18:37] <prospectacle> chrome have tried to start competing languages to replace it: NaCL and dart. But so far they haven't worked.
[13:18:53] <prospectacle> Adobe had the best success so far, but Flash's days are numbered.
[13:19:11] <prospectacle> google's main success is the v8 engine, which upped the ante for making a JS engine, and everyone else followed suit
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[13:27:29] <prospectacle> crutchy, here is a video of gtk ported to the web
[13:27:30] <prospectacle> http://www.youtube.com
[13:28:18] <prospectacle> and here are lived demos of qt applications ported to web
[13:28:20] <prospectacle> http://vps2.etotheipiplusone.com:30176
[13:30:13] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - H.R. Giger Dead at 74 - http://sylnt.us - Absent-Friends
[13:34:17] <prospectacle> crutchy I made a 30kb window manager back in 2006 (but I didn't really know js back then), I just found it's stil available, although you have to download it becuase google-sites has been shut down, but they kept the contents available.
[13:34:43] <prospectacle> https://sites.google.com
[13:35:05] <prospectacle> it's very basic and in many way cruddy, but it shows how easy it would be if someone knew what they wre doing (which I definitely didn't at the time, and still managed the basics)
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[13:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh i hate it when people try to be clever
[13:37:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> $_ = $self->encode($_, 'link') for ($encoded_item->{'link'}, $edit, $action);
[13:37:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes it does what they want but they need an ass beating for doing it that way.
[13:38:58] <prospectacle> oh no i was wrong "sites" is still up.
[13:39:48] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah some people seem to think shorter-code=better no matter what.
[13:40:21] <prospectacle> or fewer-operations=better no matter what.
[13:40:52] <prospectacle> what about the poor slob who has to fix your bugs or extend your code in a couple of months (may be the same person who wrote it).
[13:42:18] <prospectacle> I think they need to teach in code-style classes that code is written for the benefit of humans, not computers. The fact that the computer can run the code is just one of the benefits, to humans, that the code can provide.
[13:44:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> just glad i can read the stuff after a wtf moment
[13:45:57] <crutchy> luckily there would be no shortage of those in perl :-P
[13:46:14] <crutchy> wtf moments :-D
[13:47:06] <crutchy> programming languages today are far too logical
[13:47:21] <crutchy> we should make one where you declare your variables *after* you use them
[13:48:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> can do that in perl if you don't mind globals
[13:49:10] <prospectacle> crutchy, you could do a "but first {}" block. Which happens before whatever preceeds it
[13:49:29] <crutchy> lol the ol' "but first" eh
[13:49:43] <prospectacle> x=1; while (x < 10) { x++;} but first {x = -99;}
[13:49:53] <prospectacle> lol
[13:49:54] <crutchy> lol "before whatever preceeds it"?
[13:50:07] <prospectacle> yep it's time travelling code
[13:50:15] <prospectacle> in a fictional language I just invented
[13:50:34] <crutchy> i was thinking more along the lines of:
[13:52:49] <crutchy> function: result; { $test="blah"; echo "\nhello world $test $arg"); var $test: string; } < $arg: string;
[13:53:02] <crutchy> actually that kinda does look a bit perl'ish
[13:53:03] <ciri> Is a great place, i'm kinda neurotic about getting a "cross-compiler" they call it.
[13:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> can already do $bar = $foo if defined $foo
[13:59:05] <prospectacle> crutchy I suppose you could achieve that with functions, acessing the arguments object/array
[13:59:28] * crutchy wonders if ciri is programmed with a neural network for learning?
[14:01:18] * MrBluze looks at the budget
[14:01:33] <crutchy> prospectacle: i was being silly, but a real world example of my silliness is a boot sector, though it cheats a bit cos makes use of jumps
[14:02:41] <crutchy> not best time to be in aps i guess MrBluze
[14:02:54] <MrBluze> no, not really
[14:02:56] <MrBluze> ouch!
[14:03:32] <MrBluze> im fairly sure i am safe
[14:03:35] <MrBluze> but not 100% sure
[14:03:47] <crutchy> well, i guess on the bright side there's an election in 43 and half years
[14:03:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go, got myself some debug code happening
[14:04:07] <MrBluze> 43.5 years? yeah there probably is
[14:04:09] <crutchy> i doubt your profession will be tightened too much
[14:04:20] <crutchy> lol
[14:04:23] <prospectacle> MrBluze well it's ok it only affects people who can least afford it
[14:04:25] <crutchy> oops
[14:04:34] <MrBluze> lol
[14:04:38] <MrBluze> prospectacle: indeed
[14:04:46] <crutchy> you know what i meant :-P
[14:04:49] <MrBluze> ;)
[14:05:12] <MrBluze> well im kinda looking to buy a house and all that
[14:05:26] <MrBluze> i somehow think it's gonna be a buyer's market for a while longer
[14:06:17] <prospectacle> I hope so. I wouldn't mind buying a house some time this decade
[14:06:26] <crutchy> depends where
[14:06:35] <MrBluze> unemployment is gonna shoot up
[14:06:38] <crutchy> still bubble in many places
[14:07:14] <MrBluze> not a bubble where i am
[14:07:27] <MrBluze> always been pegged to public service employment
[14:07:32] <crutchy> same here thank goodness
[14:07:34] <MrBluze> .. so it will soften
[14:07:39] <MrBluze> but not crash
[14:08:03] <MrBluze> yeah .. our areas have been cut very harshly already
[14:08:33] <prospectacle> ok I gotta get going. Have a good one people
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[14:08:46] <crutchy> i just hope they keep aa lid on debt, don't drop rates down to zero (2-3% is prolly ok atm) and keep a lid onn the aussie
[14:08:54] <MrBluze> yep
[14:09:05] <MrBluze> dont drop rates any further is the thing
[14:09:19] <MrBluze> but if u get a property slump it can all go into a bit of a tail spin
[14:09:48] <crutchy> but at same time try to make things seem bad enough that aussie doesn't shoot up and put our miners and manufacturing in the toilet
[14:09:51] <MrBluze> if a world war breaks out, what do u think then?
[14:10:15] <MrBluze> i mean, say in a month we are conscripting
[14:10:21] <crutchy> if war break out aussie dollar might go up, which would be bad for miners/manufacturing
[14:10:40] <MrBluze> but miners/manufacturing will get huge contracts for work ... everyone will be forced to work
[14:11:07] <crutchy> they will, but their product will be more expensive to export
[14:11:29] <crutchy> sorry more expensive for foreigners to buy
[14:11:41] <MrBluze> yes, but main purchaser in event of war will be military
[14:11:54] <crutchy> china is big buyer of our raw materiaals
[14:12:02] <MrBluze> tha's why i tip companies like orica prior to wars
[14:12:15] <MrBluze> china will be the adversary if ukraine flares up properly
[14:12:38] <crutchy> i hope we don't go up against russia/chinaa
[14:12:43] <crutchy> that would be very stupid
[14:12:55] <crutchy> usa can't win that
[14:13:57] <MrBluze> have to agree with u there
[14:14:04] <MrBluze> US are doing nuclear drills now
[14:14:14] <MrBluze> testing all their B-52's etc
[14:14:30] <crutchy> media likes to paaint china as being a bit backwards, but where does all the western world's tech come from?
[14:15:26] <MrBluze> .. well even iran have managed to clone the US stealth drones
[14:15:37] <MrBluze> they are now just 12 months behind on tech
[14:15:47] <MrBluze> which therefore means russia/china also
[14:15:57] <crutchy> and russia are leaders... the us copies them now
[14:16:12] <crutchy> their missiles, their fighters
[14:16:24] <crutchy> sukhois are awesome
[14:17:05] <MrBluze> yeah, it's a fact
[14:17:27] <MrBluze> they are leaders now in moral highground
[14:17:35] <crutchy> we should just stay neutral
[14:18:06] <MrBluze> compare a country that favours families, education, etc to one that celebrates bearded women
[14:18:25] <MrBluze> that has proven quite demoralizing across europe .. heaps of men are shaving beards off in protest
[14:18:55] <MrBluze> i mean, all of that is sort of rhetoric, but if u are a nation about to go to war, it can matter a lot
[14:19:15] <crutchy> i haven'y been watching the news
[14:19:38] <crutchy> have no ideawhats going on
[14:19:57] <MrBluze> ah its just the tit-for-tat
[14:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> russia has moral highground like fish have antlers
[14:20:14] <MrBluze> US or NZ or somewhere legalizes gay/lesbian stuff... russia a week later bans it
[14:20:38] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: it's not a real moral highground this is just the public image war
[14:21:02] <MrBluze> just the polarization
[14:21:18] <MrBluze> question is which approach yields a more effective fighting machine ? laxity or discipline?
[14:21:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. possibly. i can't bring my iq down enough even with booze to think as stupid as The Public
[14:21:55] <crutchy> russia has its problems, but us politicians prance around the world like the usa is perfect
[14:22:10] <MrBluze> well.. if trends are anything, russia is trending up
[14:22:40] <MrBluze> but it's easier for them, as they are reorganizing and have inherent human/economic capacity that is under-utilized
[14:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, you gotta be talkin public opinion again cause in reality they're only moving closer to the old ussr
[14:22:50] <crutchy> usa desperately needs a libertarian government
[14:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth, crutchy
[14:24:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, baby. four lines of code and rss has stories in it.
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[14:24:29] <MrBluze> yeah its ussr again
[14:24:30] <ciri> Yeah vyprvpn is what came out and it's till buggy.
[14:25:07] <MrBluze> well the US had it closer to a successful recipe prior to reagan
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[14:26:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> prior to GHWB maybe, reagan i got no beefs with.
[14:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> and carter was all lalala, let's destroy the economy
[14:27:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> forget not the gas lines, stagflation, and insane unemployment under him
[14:28:09] <MrBluze> yeah true
[14:28:34] <MrBluze> seems to be the US's main business model now is military industry
[14:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> for who, politicians or corps?
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[14:29:32] <MrBluze> what makes hte country not keel over and die
[14:29:46] <MrBluze> eg: for russia it's gas at the moment
[14:29:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause pols are still mostly selling monopoly rights lately and corps, well if we had military industry we wouldn't be behind the russians.
[14:29:53] <MrBluze> for germany it's manufacturing
[14:30:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> we mostly do service sector because we can't do manufacturing at a reasonable price due to unions largely.
[14:30:35] <MrBluze> the US it's selling fake financian instruments, and mercinary wars for oil and resource companies
[14:30:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh dude.
[14:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you bought that nonsense?
[14:31:05] <MrBluze> yeah service sector is what keeps people within the US busy
[14:31:14] <MrBluze> but what is making the US stay solvent is my question
[14:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing. we're not solvent
[14:31:40] <MrBluze> TheMightyBuzzard: well GS and co did quite well out of bankrupting greece, for example
[14:32:23] <MrBluze> ok, so what is the main earner for the US?
[14:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> greece bankrupted itself by trying to emulate france and others like them
[14:33:27] <MrBluze> nah, they got an illegal loan from GS
[14:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> foreign trade? good question but oil it ain't; we use more than we produce even counting our companies working the wells of others.
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[14:33:57] <MrBluze> some companies are doing well.. apple does well 'cause it pays no tax, but it brings money into the US
[14:34:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto google
[14:34:13] <MrBluze> yep
[14:34:22] <MrBluze> so intellectual property the US is doing well on
[14:34:34] <MrBluze> .. stealling it has been going well too
[14:34:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> hyeurg... that phrase chaps my ass
[14:35:27] <MrBluze> yeah well it's an imaginary hammer to threaten people with so .. the US is great at making money from imaginary things
[14:35:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> it needs to get pared back to when we started. copyright 7-14 years and patents five or six.
[14:35:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we're not making money at it really. mostly we're just creating violators.
[14:36:01] <MrBluze> yeah copyright and patents need to be adjusted to meet the market reality
[14:36:26] <MrBluze> for each market a different duration depending on how active the market is
[14:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, scuse me whilst i go figure out how to push to my own repo from the vm. git and me are not well acquainted.
[14:38:15] <MrBluze> :)
[14:38:25] <MrBluze> im sposed to be learning how to do scripting in fm
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[14:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, break for taking the trash out before it runs and more coffee
[14:54:54] <weeds> "The tress are drawing me near, I've got to find out why..."
[14:55:49] <MrBluze> tress?
[14:56:36] <weeds> s:/tress/trees/
[14:56:38] <weeds> foo
[14:57:07] <MrBluze> lol
[14:57:16] <MrBluze> i know im just being a typonazi
[14:58:33] <weeds> I am usually very careful. There was a break in the conversation, so I jumped in. I don't have many Tuesday references... DO you recognize that one?
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[15:00:07] <Woods> I know my name when I see it, but I did not get the reference.
[15:01:00] <weeds> It's from Tuesday Afternoon by the Moody Blues
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[15:45:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar! two bugs up, two bugs down for the week.
[15:56:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I just added a comment to your pull request. I have another comment though, it might be better if you crate a specific branch on your code for each issue that you are working on. Then you can work on multiple things without your pull requests getting cloged with unintended commits.
[15:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i see what you just said but my brain cannot parse it all at once after doing so much AM coding. will step through it one point at a time.
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[16:02:33] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: if you do a commit now to your master branch it will be added to the pull reqeest #181, which is fine if you are working on an addion to the fix in 181. But if you started working on something else, you now just contaminated pull #181, with other code. If you create a branch for each thing you are working on, the pull requests will be tied to that branch specifically and thus you can set up multiple pull reuests tha
[16:02:34] <paulej72> are independent of each other. I have done this at times, because I have had to wait for Ncommander to sign off on my code a few times. I think at one point I had 4 pull requests in at once.
[16:03:14] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah well, I've given you massive branches that hurt brains :-)
[16:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i can give it a shot but i am king ubernoob of git. just figured out how to commit->push to my own repo this morning.
[16:06:23] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to comment replying.
[16:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> As I said in the comment up above, I "think" it is the above the fold text only rather than the entire story. If it's not it is easy enough to arbitrarily cut it at a character or paragraph limit though that's more a design decision for you, NC, and the guys from the pretty it up department to make than my code monkey self.
[16:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Yes, time/date-stamp is already in there just may be mislabeled for them to see it properly. Or it could be an issue with their parser. I'd have to do some checking.
[16:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> copy n paste for laziness sake ^
[16:11:34] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: when I started woking on slash, I was a git noob too :)
[16:12:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully my noobness only applies to git. #38 would have beat my ass if i were a linux n perl noob too.
[16:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, hrm... time/date show fine in firefox but it doesn't show the description though it is there in the feed.
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[16:18:42] * NCommander really doesn't function well sans sleep
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[16:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to get it working in liferea and firefox. anything else can lump it unless they want to send me a how-to-format.
[16:27:57] <paulej72> NCommander: sudo apt-get install --reinstall circadian-rhythm
[16:28:23] <NCommander> paulej72, package not found
[16:29:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> would you two paulej72, NCommander like a time/date stamp up top of each feed item in the <description>?
[16:29:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> while i'm monkeying with it still
[16:29:26] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: there should be a default format for rss feed that we should be trying to follow. I made a few a couple of years ago, so I have forgotten most of the details.
[16:29:31] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, did you fix RSS O_O?!
[16:29:33] <NCommander> AWESOME
[16:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[16:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, -ish
[16:29:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> data is in the feed just the wrong place
[16:30:14] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: most of our fixes for slash are -ish :)
[16:30:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be fixed in my current vm but i'm waiting on /d to come around again on it
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[16:31:30] * n1 rages
[16:31:56] <n1> scamming bank bastards
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[16:33:34] <paulej72> rss doc http://cyber.law.harvard.edu
[16:33:54] <paulej72> we should be doing an atom feed, rss sucks balls
[16:34:36] <paulej72> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu
[16:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could, the code's in there
[16:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> but &fixit("nonononono!") if $_ != $broke
[16:36:07] <paulej72> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu <- are we sending this out in our rss feed?
[16:36:08] <ciri> Michealpwalls: 2.1 update requirement extended - http://imgur.com
[16:37:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nope. can be pretty shortly though.
[16:49:10] * TheMightyBuzzard waits impatiently for index.rss to regenerate
[16:52:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hrm... going to have to decode the html in the description
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[16:53:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it is never easy :)
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[16:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> it exists and shows up though. anyone know offhand if we have a desanitizer for html &code; type stuff already built in to slash?
[16:56:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really do not want to reinvent that wheel
[16:58:53] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: yes there is, but let me try to figure out what needs to be called, as I can;t seem to remember the specifics
[16:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> greping
[17:00:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: It think I saw it in the messges plugin
[17:03:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like it's in Slash::Utility::Data
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[17:09:39] <paulej72> html2text
[17:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't think it's quite what i'm looking for. want to keep the html tags in so <h3> and such work
[17:12:37] <paulej72> dailynews;messages;default template uses this story.asciitext.replace('\n(?=\n \* \[\d+\])', '')
[17:13:19] <paulej72> but that seems to be a template engine call
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[17:14:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i think it may be correct before $self->encode gets called, checking that now.
[17:14:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's fun waiting on slashd to regenerate a page
[17:15:52] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: look at themes/default/tasks/daily.pl. this is what the daily newsletter uses to turn the html to ascii
[17:17:22] <paulej72> for (@$data) {
[17:17:23] <paulej72> my(%story, @ref);
[17:17:24] <paulej72> @story{qw(sid title section author tid time dept
[17:17:26] <paulej72> introtext bodytext)} = @$_;
[17:17:27] <paulej72> 1 while chomp($story{introtext});
[17:17:29] <paulej72> 1 while chomp($story{bodytext});
[17:17:30] <paulej72> $story{introtext} = parseSlashizedLinks($story{introtext});
[17:17:32] <paulej72> $story{bodytext} = parseSlashizedLinks($story{bodytext});
[17:17:33] <paulej72> my $asciitext = $story{introtext};
[17:17:35] <paulej72> $asciitext .= "\n\n" . $story{bodytext}
[17:17:36] <paulej72> if $constants->{newsletter_body};
[17:17:38] <paulej72> ($story{asciitext}, @ref) = html2text($asciitext, 74);
[17:17:39] <paulej72> $story{refs} = \@ref;
[17:17:40] <paulej72> push @$stories, \%story;
[17:17:41] <paulej72> }
[17:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> see it, will check that if this round comes out badly
[17:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> question though. do we want html going into <description> like /. does or would we prefer utter plain text?
[17:21:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> that got it. i just needed to not encode it in the first place. *facepalm*
[17:23:06] <Blackmoore> sometimes the simplests of solutions are the last thing we figure out
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[17:47:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that's done until someone decides it needs more work.
[17:50:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, two more commits to fix the silliness. in the comments like you said they'd be because i feel a headache coming on. will learn branches tomorrow.
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[18:01:23] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you got the date working too?
[18:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> it should be but it's not. leaving the non-working code in for now as it doesn't break anything and gives me a known place to start tomorrow.
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[18:03:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll have to look up the execution chain and see if something is stripping it out.
[18:04:55] <Blackmoore> *blink* ok.. i had moderation points.. and now i dont..
[18:05:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> they expire more slowly now but they still expire.
[18:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish it were lunchtime. i could use a bit of doing nothing and a beer or three.
[18:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> wacky code like that always leaves me feeling like i have socks stuffed in my brain and less able to parse english.
[18:20:55] <Blackmoore> at least it wasnt in leagalease
[18:21:25] <Blackmoore> you can always just claim it is lunchtime somewhere
[18:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'll just finish my coffee and wait the half hour or so.
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[18:54:58] <Woods> TheMightyBuzzard: That is why I take my lunch at 11.
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[19:23:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Spotted Cow Ale and a 4" thick sandwich. Replaces the coding fuzz with a pleasant alcoholic haze.
[19:27:07] <chromas> What kinds of things are in that 4"-thick sandwich?
[19:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> turkey n pepperjack n lettuce/tomato/banana peppers, salt, pepper, oregano
[19:28:37] <chromas> Nice
[19:28:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not my finest work but it'll certainly do
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[19:29:05] <chromas> Hm, we don't have in-season tomatoes around here
[19:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather it certainly did
[19:29:12] <chromas> s/tomato/salsa/
[19:29:12] <SedBot> <chromas> Hm, we don't have in-season salsaes around here
[19:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> greenhouse grown.
[19:29:26] <chromas> Oooh
[19:29:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a local one about 12 blocks over
[19:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> outdoor ones won't be going for another month most likely
[19:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> hot banana peppers btw, not those ones that taste about the same as a bell
[19:32:24] <chromas> Speaking of hot, is it me or do Mexican restaurants make food blander than Taco Bell?
[19:32:53] <chromas> Could be just the ones around here
[19:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> around where?
[19:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i know up around the great lakes it's impossible to get food with any spice
[19:33:33] <chromas> SE Washington
[19:33:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, probably there too
[19:33:56] <chromas> We have a lot of Mexicans because of farms but maybe they're not real ones or something
[19:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> should get the state to hit up immigration and get some proper mexicans with green cards up there.
[19:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> like h1b for the taste buds
[19:35:35] <chromas> :D
[19:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i'm out for a bit. polishing off this beer then to a nap.
[19:36:35] <chromas> See ya; enjoy
[19:41:32] <Blackmoore> you arent going to find real spice in any of the box restarunts, management want them bland as the american palate.
[19:41:54] <Blackmoore> you have to find a local place
[19:42:33] <Blackmoore> we had a great place - but they got busted for having illegals.
[19:42:56] <chromas> One's El Sombrero which is a chain. The other one, I have not idea what it's called; I didn't see a sign anywhere
[19:43:27] <Blackmoore> I'd find a local restarunt guide. that will help
[19:43:29] <ciri> Ah, i can't help mysefl with pizza.
[19:43:38] <chromas> There could be others. There's a truck somewhere with large, gristly burritos
[19:43:47] <Blackmoore> OOoooohh
[19:44:01] <Blackmoore> we have a few of those out here.
[19:44:05] <chromas> Don't most restaurants have illegals?
[19:44:29] <chromas> Maybe Mexican restaurants have illegal whites in the back
[19:44:33] <Blackmoore> well... where I am, it would have been more likely to have Canadians.
[19:45:02] <Blackmoore> we really didnt expect Mexicans, and Columbians
[19:45:09] <Blackmoore> too far north
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[19:49:53] <Blackmoore> (oh good god. illegal Canadians working in a Mexican restauraunt... Nachos' al Poutine?)
[19:51:07] <chromas> Good gravy!
[19:53:15] <Blackmoore> well it could be HotDish.. seasoned with pablano and ghost peppers.
[19:54:03] <chromas> Hadn't heard of that
[19:59:02] <chromas> Hah, trying to reply on Facebook (tsk tsk) and it doesn't have tab completion
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[20:08:33] <chromas> Facebook: If 4chan and an elephant had sex...
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[20:12:15] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Massive Changes Could be Coming to Gmail - http://sylnt.us - still-waiting-for-a-snail-mail-interface-update
[20:16:05] <Blackmoore> I'd like to put the blame for bad interfaces on facebook. but i remeber geocities..
[20:17:36] <chromas> The interface is retarded but I meant the content
[20:17:56] <chromas> Recycling image macros combined with rememberance
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[20:19:05] <chromas> Actually, it's a lot like Buzzfeed, too
[20:22:30] <Blackmoore> ah. yeah. between the ads and the chain letter quality memes. it's hard to find any worthwhile news on friends.
[20:22:41] <chromas> Facebook has ads?
[20:22:53] <Blackmoore> (no adblock at work)
[20:22:58] <chromas> I'm sorry
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[20:23:33] <Blackmoore> eh; i sell shit. i need to see the ads.
[20:24:48] <chromas> I just learned that for "$600-$1,00 TOTAL" I can cure cancer with a 60 gram supply of Cannabis Oil
[20:25:15] <chromas> 1,200
[20:28:33] <Blackmoore> it is homeopathic? because i wont accept it as proven medical fact unless it's diluted to the point of no return, and couples with my copper bracelets!!!
[20:28:39] <Blackmoore> *headdesk*
[20:29:46] <chromas> https://www.facebook.com
[20:37:34] <Woods> Blackmoore: You have COPPER bracelets! You need to upgrade those to rare earth!
[20:41:24] <chromas> I, for one, keep a stock of Cherokee hair tampons
[20:44:13] <Blackmoore> I thought those were the magnets? dont those need to be on my temples? or the deamons will excape?
[20:45:20] <chromas> We have systemd to keep our daemons in line, now; works just as well
[20:52:06] <Blackmoore> we shall see about that
[20:52:39] <chromas> You're right; magnets probably work better
[20:52:50] <Blackmoore> if i was writing a trojan, i'd use systemd as the vector.
[20:52:59] <Konomi> is it bad everytime I see LaminatorX as a nick I think of them as some sort of hit man that like laminates their target to death
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[20:53:55] <blackmoore|lunch> Konomi: i'm sure he's in some animae doing just that
[20:53:57] <chromas> Sounds about right
[20:55:09] <chromas> It keeps things clean; there's no blood or other evidence left behind. Afterward, he can put them in his scrapbook
[20:55:37] <Konomi> ;p
[21:20:32] <paulej72> anyone using an rss feeder other than FF?
[21:21:22] <Woods> Yes, a crappy one.
[21:21:27] <Woods> Netvibes.
[21:22:14] <paulej72> Woods: can you look at https://dev.soylentnews.org and let me know how it looks. and again at the top of the hour when plain text is turned on.
[21:22:37] <paulej72> I need to know if the dates are correct and the descrptions show up.
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[21:23:52] <Woods> The dates look right, the HTML formatting is getting displayed as plaintext
[21:24:39] <paulej72> Woods: I know about the encoded html, that is why I am turning it off. It should rebuild in 25 minutes
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[21:25:26] <Woods> Everything else looks good
[21:26:05] <Woods> Well, I am not sure about the times, that seems a little off.
[21:29:35] <Woods> Paulej72: Need me to check anything else with it? Or just wait for it to rebuild?
[21:30:14] <paulej72> times are in UTC more than likly Woods
[21:30:23] <Woods> Oh yeah.
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[21:32:01] <paulej72> Woods: someone was complaining that the dates were not worlong for some reason. I think their rss reader did not fully comply with the RSS 1.0 spec
[21:37:31] <Woods> "05/08/2014" Weird. If anything were broken, I would expect Netvibes to be, the service really is a piece of trash.
[21:38:12] <paulej72> thunderbird reads it properly as well
[21:40:16] <paulej72> Woods: do you have a sense of how many articles should be in the fee?
[21:40:21] <paulej72> feed
[21:41:15] <Woods> It says 27.
[21:44:53] <paulej72> no I am asking how many you would like to see in the feed
[21:45:37] <Woods> Oh, ummm.... 20?
[21:46:05] <Woods> Given our rate of posting, that would cover a day .
[21:57:14] <arti> maybe we can get the paper generator thing and use that for submissions
[21:57:31] <arti> code name: news product
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[22:10:45] <weeds_> Hello, has the number of posts per story been down the last week or so?
[22:16:10] <Woods> Weeds: Looks about the same to me.
[22:20:24] <n1> i think it's been about the same, weekends are not improving.
[22:21:59] <n1> if anything things are improving slightly during the week, stories from yesterday seemed to do quite well
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[22:26:14] <paulej72> n1 poltical ones do better.
[22:26:57] <Woods> paulej72: Indeed, which sucks. Because people want tech news, not political news. And yet, which one has the most comments and views...
[22:29:05] <n1> paulej72, i know
[22:29:10] <paulej72> look at who we are and why we are here and say with a straight face that we are not political. It think we pulled a a strange group of people from ./ and no matter what they say, they will be voiceverous about certain thinkgs
[22:29:27] <n1> i try to balance it out when im putting stories in the queue
[22:29:33] <n1> so we dont have a run of 'political' stories
[22:29:49] <arti> paulej72, for example i think flash should be used more
[22:30:06] <arti> also CSS is for subhumans
[22:30:14] <paulej72> arti :p
[22:31:02] <arti> when will the flash version of the site be complete?
[22:31:25] <n1> maybe you should write an ask soylent about why isnt flash being used to its full potential ;)
[22:31:36] <arti> i also want it coded by more females
[22:31:38] <ciri> You guys get those big mech mounts, are they also vulnerable to a different server.
[22:31:45] * TheMightyBuzzard headdesks
[22:31:57] <arti> why aren't there more females on the team?
[22:32:01] <arti> i'll stop
[22:32:22] * arti patiently waits for his lunch to cook
[22:32:23] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you read my comment on github :)
[22:32:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, exactly
[22:32:57] <paulej72> yes it was a headdesk moment for me
[22:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, at least i understand the rss path in slash enough to do it now if you really want to upgrade to 2.0
[22:33:13] <arti> btw kudos on getting that beast operational
[22:33:43] <paulej72> arti. it was operational, just turned off :(
[22:34:02] <arti> well seems like you guys are good at turning things on
[22:34:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> $us = "dumb";
[22:34:18] <arti> you're dealing with a code base that was created organically
[22:34:31] <paulej72> there are about 15 settings in the vars db for setting the rss feeds. only about 4 have rss in the var name
[22:34:39] <arti> it's like lasagne
[22:34:55] <arti> :O~
[22:35:14] * arti wonders how many people use non monospaced fonts for irc
[22:35:43] * chromas thinks monospace fonts shouldn't be used anywhere
[22:35:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> monospace fonts rule
[22:36:04] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you run across what kicks off the rss rebuild?
[22:36:22] * arti might have to make a list of fonts
[22:36:32] * arti is currently a fan of dejavu
[22:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, rss_whatzits... have to look again
[22:36:45] <arti> i've tried a few others but they just don't feel right
[22:36:57] <arti> fonts are like keyboards, there are many out there with features, but non seem to have all that i like
[22:37:19] <LaminatorX> Monospaced fonts are essential for ASCII Art.
[22:37:28] <arti> also lining code up
[22:37:32] <chromas> Each one has 100,000 variations, most of which you can't tell apart
[22:37:43] <chromas> Nah the editor should be lining it up
[22:37:52] <arti> ...
[22:38:09] <arti> if you're not using a monospaced font to do that no editor will help
[22:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> rss_submit builds it but i think there's something in it that keeps it from being built as often as it's run
[22:38:27] <chromas> You don't use tabs and spaces to line things up in HTML do you?
[22:38:41] <arti> wat
[22:38:47] <chromas> Or Word/Wordperfect
[22:38:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be the min interval, might be something else
[22:39:00] <arti> what type of code do you do?
[22:39:08] <chromas> Any type of code
[22:39:28] <chromas> The editor can figure out syntax for highlighting, it should be able to figure out indentation
[22:39:28] <arti> i use tabs (and spaces) to line up code.
[22:39:46] <chromas> I do too but that's only because editors are stuck in the 50s
[22:40:01] <arti> well you could use some sort of lint system
[22:40:01] <chromas> Or some time
[22:40:05] <arti> like jsbeautifier
[22:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you really have a strong desire for rss2.0 we can probably add it relatively easy just by upgrading the module. no telling what else will need upgraded though.
[22:40:48] <chromas> What we need is something like elastic tabstops except aligning by pixels instead of monospaced characters
[22:40:57] <arti> eww
[22:41:07] <arti> maybe like ems
[22:41:51] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not a strong desire, if people still have issues with the version with descriptions turned on we may need to work on it.
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[22:42:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or not, the version we're using already supports it
[22:42:34] <chromas> When you have a parameter list wrap around, the editor should automatically draw the next line right under the above paranthesis (or wherever, according to your rules) without inserting tabs or spaces. Kwrite/Kate does that, though still mono-spacedly
[22:43:33] <arti> so when all is said and done
[22:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be as easy as just writing another block for 2.0 based off the 1.0 block. i doubt it though.
[22:43:41] <arti> you want a source file with no spaces?
[22:43:44] <arti> or tabs
[22:43:47] <chromas> No
[22:43:51] <chromas> Just not one for indents
[22:44:14] <chromas> Or at least, only use one tab per indent level and the editor makes things line up without extra spaces
[22:44:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just had a nap though, so i think i'll take a gander at it.
[22:44:26] * arti is a firm believer in using tabs over spaces
[22:44:44] <arti> brb food is hydrated
[22:45:47] * chromas is a firm believer in the editor should be doing the work for us according to rules we set and there's no reason to put formatting into the file itself
[22:46:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose i better revert all my changes first.
[22:56:54] <weeds_> Thanks - sorry to jump in and out like this - I'm at work - phone rings, etc...
[22:58:18] <arti> you could've convincingly claimed narcolepsy
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[23:16:02] <paulej72> been looking at it
[23:16:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is NOT how you do that in maintainable code, ya bastards
[23:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> line 83, going to have to write it out as proper ifs
[23:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> better. now to write out newrss2 as a sub since newrss does not allow for version arguments. there are cleaner ways but i want to make it work first.
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[23:36:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, i'll be damned
[23:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's rss2.0
[23:40:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. nope. got my hopes up
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