#Soylent | Logs for 2014-04-11

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[23:58:05] <michealpwalls> :)
[23:58:05] <michealpwalls> Good luck!
[23:57:57] <Blackmoore> alright - excaping the cubicle. later.
[23:52:25] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Swedish City Trying 6-hour Workdays - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-government-mandated-siesta
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[23:38:41] <Blackmoore> (hifive)
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[23:34:29] <michealpwalls> hehe yea
[23:34:23] <Cyprus> client happy, and it didn't explode
[23:34:14] <Cyprus> thats a success in my book
[23:29:50] <michealpwalls> (hifive)
[23:29:28] <Blackmoore> yeah!
[23:27:04] <michealpwalls> And it didn't burst into flames, so I count that as success! :D
[23:26:57] <michealpwalls> The HR people love the system, so I'm happy :)
[23:26:05] <Cyprus> lol
[23:24:55] <michealpwalls> Things went "smoothly", too :D
[23:24:45] <michealpwalls> Yaaaaay, launch day! :D
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[22:48:08] <swiss> cause I use my NAS for all my larger files
[22:47:56] <swiss> i want like 3 of those
[22:47:49] <swiss> http://www.amazon.com
[22:46:36] <Blackmoore> (may just grab sme scrap wood and make one)
[22:46:15] <Blackmoore> and I havent found one
[22:46:01] <Blackmoore> eh, I need a plate so i can use a 2.5" drive in a 3.5" slot
[22:43:44] <Subsentient> Blackmoore: Lol
[22:40:39] <swiss> why do i always need 2.5" sata drives....
[22:40:31] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Star Trek Actress Duped into Pro-Geocentrism Movie - http://sylnt.us - dishonest-documentaries
[22:40:06] <Blackmoore> @Subsentient for the life of me I cant figure out how to send you a telegram.
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[21:41:46] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Convert Carbon Monoxide to Ethanol - http://sylnt.us - i'll-drink-to-that
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[21:38:18] <Blackmoore> luks liek we need beter spel chek... (myself included)
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[21:36:58] <weeds> fixed before anyone had a chance to gripe - nice!
[21:34:15] <chromas> Yeah, you can only use a single pair of scissors for so long before they get dull
[21:33:48] <Cyprus> oh monodixe
[21:33:23] <weeds> no need, just wanted to let you know asap before a comment got it
[21:33:03] <weeds> plural of mono dykes?
[21:33:00] <n1> i will take my lashings now
[21:32:38] <Cyprus> no one likes monogamous lesbians
[21:31:32] <chromas> Monogamous lesbians
[21:30:53] <weeds> monodixe?
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[21:21:31] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Convert Carbon Monodixe to Ethanol - http://sylnt.us - i'll-drink-to-that
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[21:15:27] <Blackmoore> and moved to the gerbil pit
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[21:08:34] <n1> lol
[21:06:32] <Blackmoore> The Federation of The Derogatory BaconGerbils of beyond
[21:05:58] <Blackmoore> generated new nation
[21:05:01] <Cyprus> oh wow, theres some nostalgia
[21:03:57] <n1> i just reactivated my nation... "Its hard-nosed, hard-working, cynical population of 2.473 billion are ruled with an iron fist by the corrupt, dictatorship government, which oppresses anyone who isn't on the board of a Fortune 500 company"
[21:02:54] <Blackmoore> I could.
[21:02:38] <Cyprus> ncommander, i do agree the boxes are a bit small as well
[21:02:16] <Subsentient> Blackmoore: you could just start making gerbils with me in the gerbil pit?
[20:59:53] <Blackmoore> if a can remeber it
[20:59:37] <n1> you can reactivate your nation
[20:58:29] <n1> me too
[20:58:28] <n1> oh yeah i just saw the link above
[20:58:23] <Blackmoore> i used to have a nation..
[20:58:15] <Blackmoore> yeah
[20:58:03] <n1> Blackmoore, the website/game?
[20:57:43] <Blackmoore> huh. i completely forgot about nationstates
[20:57:27] <xlefay> aww, I don't mean it like that
[20:57:08] <janrinok> you can be so hurtful
[20:56:55] <janrinok> lol
[20:56:48] <xlefay> janrinok, so what else is new? :P
[20:56:21] * janrinok looks confused but carries on regardless
[20:56:00] <janrinok> Of course, I knew that, I was just testing you....
[20:55:30] <Subsentient> janrinok: The undead gerbils swarm, of course!
[20:53:33] <janrinok> Oh my god, what have I stumbled upon. Subsentient - what is it?
[20:53:08] <Subsentient> What? Did the gerbils get you all?
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[20:51:31] <xlefay> janrinok, if any, it's late!
[20:51:08] <Subsentient> http://www.nationstates.net
[20:51:07] * Subsentient is making the most insane thing ever on nationstates
[20:50:50] <xlefay> It's 2100
[20:50:05] <janrinok> I see the Friday night brawl is starting early this week....
[20:49:25] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Landon
[20:49:25] <Subsentient> $burrito Landon
[20:49:23] <xlefay> Depends on the situation ;-)
[20:49:12] * Landon punches Subsentient in the pits
[20:49:05] <Subsentient> Landon: The tentacle under your armpits?
[20:48:44] <Landon> what do you kiss with?
[20:48:11] <xlefay> 'kisser'?
[20:48:01] * NCommander pows xlefay right in the kisser
[20:47:54] <NCommander> .........................................................................................................................................................
[20:47:40] <janrinok> he's never happy!
[20:47:29] <xlefay> So, when are we adding the comment slider? ;-)
[20:47:27] <janrinok> Gets my vote, I wuz just sayin', thats all
[20:47:06] <NCommander> And we'll add "test with NoScript" on release criteria
[20:47:00] <NCommander> janrinok, there's a big button option in the script
[20:46:49] <janrinok> NCommander: you wait until all the myopic oldies, or those with poor eyesight for any reason, start asking why they are so small. You know, you can't win....
[20:46:45] <NCommander> xlefay, k
[20:46:42] <xlefay> NCommander, I think we should just let the browser handle it; and not have those checkboxes at all
[20:46:29] <NCommander> Subsentient, I took the old greasemonkey script, and made it just a script
[20:46:26] <xlefay> NCommander, no
[20:45:53] <Subsentient> I was wondering why nested was no thte default behaviour
[20:45:43] <Subsentient> NCommander: Oh, AWESOME!
[20:45:16] <NCommander> Subsentient, you don't see the little + next to titles?
[20:45:05] <Subsentient> NCommander: The long post?
[20:44:41] <NCommander> or GreaseMonkey?
[20:44:40] <Subsentient> adblock
[20:44:24] <NCommander> Subsentient, do you use noscript?
[20:44:22] <Blackmoore> i know one of the members who has his broswer disable the stuff anyways
[20:44:18] <NCommander> I think it should just disable new functionality; ATM, we do have some embedded JS that isn't clear what does and doesn't need to be there
[20:44:17] <Subsentient> NCommander: I don't get it
[20:43:51] <Blackmoore> i agree with the buttong to disable.
[20:43:34] <NCommander> Subsentient, https://dev.soylentnews.org - scroll down
[20:43:14] <Subsentient> tell me!
[20:43:13] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at NCommander
[20:43:13] <Subsentient> $burrito NCommander
[20:42:48] <NCommander> Explicately?
[20:42:48] <NCommander> xlefay, do you think we really need a "disable JS" checkbox?
[20:41:30] <Subsentient> NCommander: such as?
[20:41:19] <NCommander> Subsentient, I'm playing with powers man was not meant to have
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[20:40:47] <Subsentient> NCommander: derp
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[20:40:20] * NCommander jumps Subsentient
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[20:37:08] <janrinok> rofl
[20:37:06] <arti> hahaha
[20:37:01] * NCommander is pretty sure he managed to insult everyone in the room; my work here is done
[20:36:45] <xlefay> I would have grabbed it if it weren't for that stupid /me ;-)
[20:36:39] <NCommander> Just like French technology and American culture!
[20:36:37] <janrinok> Just 1 up from American?
[20:36:35] <xlefay> janrinok, LOL
[20:36:20] <NCommander> janrinok, uh, you do realize British cuisine is the laughing stock of the world, right? :-P
[20:36:10] <janrinok> NCommander: I wasn't quite sure what you meant there, for a moment...
[20:36:01] <arti> colonize him!
[20:35:43] <janrinok> NC mocked British tea! That is a slur. No true Brit will take it without retaliation...
[20:35:23] <NCommander> *for
[20:35:16] * NCommander doesn't care of janrinok's sausage
[20:34:56] <janrinok> yep
[20:34:53] <janrinok> that should also do it...
[20:34:52] <xlefay> janrinok, you're evil :P
[20:34:46] <janrinok> lol
[20:34:44] <janrinok> lo;
[20:34:38] <arti> NCommander: just buy terrible food
[20:34:25] <janrinok> ...just taste a little one, one won't hurt you, then you can stop, but just have the one....
[20:33:38] <xlefay> be strong NCommander, be strong
[20:33:12] * NCommander is trying to loose weight and appears to be failing
[20:32:53] <xlefay> rofl
[20:32:53] <janrinok> Sorry - but you shouldn't have mentioned tea...
[20:32:50] * arti fans scents in NCommander's direction
[20:32:37] <NCommander> Really
[20:32:36] <NCommander> Thanks guys
[20:32:34] * NCommander is hungry now
[20:31:43] <arti> janrinok: correct w/ mexico
[20:31:33] <arti> that comes later, it's magic one it hits the digestive tract
[20:31:26] <janrinok> its a spicey sausage, typical of Spain, N Africa and I thought Mexico
[20:31:21] <xlefay> Well enjoy! :)
[20:31:18] <xlefay> oh I see
[20:31:18] * arti usually enjoys it with eggs
[20:30:29] <arti> it's like a sausage
[20:30:26] <arti> oh
[20:30:19] <xlefay> "chorizo nibbles"
[20:30:06] <janrinok> Its a French spirit, typical of S France, and aniseed based. Goes with chorizo well though!
[20:28:12] <xlefay> I'm afraid to ask, what exactly is that, janrinok ?
[20:27:51] <janrinok> Sod the tea, I'm having a glass of Ricard with chorizo nibbles!
[20:27:35] <arti> yeah... it bites
[20:27:29] <xlefay> I'm just learning that lesson.. it's a tough one
[20:27:18] <xlefay> That's why you never volunteer to fix something
[20:27:17] <arti> ever fixed a relatives PC?
[20:27:12] <arti> that's how it works in IT
[20:27:00] <xlefay> :P
[20:26:30] <arti> we all know whomever touches it last, owns it
[20:26:04] <NCommander> arti, what :-P
[20:23:48] <arti> suuuuuuuure
[20:21:57] * NCommander notes I intergrated someone else's JS, not mine ...
[20:21:54] <swiss> juggs|afk: i might be goin sr20 now
[20:21:21] <janrinok> you guys have been working hard. And I'm going to get a cup of tea to celebrate! brb
[20:20:37] * NCommander ducks
[20:20:35] <NCommander> janrinok, drink your tea
[20:20:34] <xlefay> janrinok, I apologize!
[20:20:03] <NCommander> User selectable themes :-)
[20:20:01] <janrinok> how dare you - I am going to stiffen my upper lip and give that remark a severe ignoring....
[20:19:58] <NCommander> janrinok, https://dev.soylentnews.org
[20:19:56] <xlefay> how are ya today?
[20:19:54] <NCommander> janrinok, oh, you haven't seen the old hotness?
[20:19:03] <xlefay> janrinok, bare & blue?
[20:18:54] <janrinok> I like 'dev' very much - just as I would want it!
[20:18:50] <Cyprus> you guys sound 'retarded'
[20:18:34] <xlefay> Is that 'so'?
[20:18:14] <janrinok> it's as 'me' as you're going to get
[20:17:57] <xlefay> Is it 'you'?
[20:17:51] <janrinok> hi xlefay - what a surprise!
[20:17:27] <xlefay> dammit
[20:17:25] <xlefay> future*
[20:17:20] <xlefay> fuck yes, we're going to keep that one for abusive purposes in the feature.
[20:17:09] <deadbeef> Added quote 115
[20:17:09] <xlefay> !grab janrinok
[20:17:04] <janrinok> I remember sex - but I can't think what I did with it.....
[20:16:57] <xlefay> just wait till you see the console ;-)
[20:16:34] <janrinok> looks good
[20:15:57] <xlefay> That's true.. ;)
[20:15:56] <NCommander> janrinok, https://dev.soylentnews.org - have your mind blown.
[20:15:54] <deadbeef> Added quote 114
[20:15:54] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[20:15:48] <NCommander> xlefay, eh, he's british. He won't recognize sexy if it danced naked in front of him
[20:15:47] <xlefay> greasing monkeys? ;-)
[20:15:44] * Cyprus really wishes I had grabbed the origonal comment
[20:15:38] <janrinok> hi guys - NCommander no to greasemonkey
[20:15:31] <deadbeef> Quote 112 - <Cyprus> he want's you bare
[20:15:31] <Cyprus> !quote bare
[20:15:24] <NCommander> janrinok, do you use GreaseMonkey?
[20:15:23] <xlefay> it involves bareness!
[20:15:18] <xlefay> janrinok, say no for your own sake
[20:15:12] <deadbeef> Added quote 113
[20:15:12] <xlefay> !grab janrinok
[20:15:11] <NCommander> janrinok, want to see AWESOMENESS for the next release?
[20:15:06] <janrinok> looks like I arrived at the right time.....
[20:15:02] <NCommander> ... I ain't touching that one
[20:14:52] <Cyprus> =P
[20:14:51] <Cyprus> nah, clearly Poutine is the biggest dick in the room
[20:14:43] <xlefay> NCommander, fake parts don't count ;-)
[20:14:40] <NCommander> */pissing contest*
[20:14:24] <NCommander> *looks at xlefay and then looks down*. I win :-)
[20:14:22] * xlefay doesn't like that mumble.
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[20:14:08] <xlefay> eeek
[20:14:04] * Cyprus mumbles something about Xlefay and Ncommander bare
[20:13:54] <Cyprus> yeah, that's my point. I think the functionality is already built in for those that want it. Make the UI good, and let the clients deal with it
[20:13:45] <xlefay> uh oh..
[20:13:27] <NCommander> Konomi, want to see something sexy?
[20:13:21] <xlefay> Cyprus, true.. I'd just enable it wide; and those who don't want it will degrade anyway
[20:13:19] <NCommander> xlefay, I'm feeling somewhat more confident in my JS abilities
[20:13:01] <xlefay> no need to fuss with dozen different switches, I'm guessing you'll do the in-line replies with JS also?
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[20:13:00] <NCommander> xlefay, we still need to strip out the rest of the JS on the site
[20:12:52] <Cyprus> i think they call that "NoScript"
[20:12:42] <xlefay> "JS?": "Yes/No" then just enable JS wide or dsable it
[20:12:39] <Cyprus> heheheh
[20:12:29] <xlefay> ugh, or better yet, make one option
[20:12:18] <Cyprus> call it "More improved" =P
[20:12:10] <NCommander> Since it works with both
[20:12:05] <xlefay> :P
[20:12:05] <NCommander> xlefay, so you want Improved {Threading/Nested}
[20:12:02] <xlefay> e.g. mysql.pm comes to mind
[20:11:51] <xlefay> put it where it's most effective!
[20:11:46] <xlefay> NCommander, makes no sense :P
[20:11:36] <NCommander> xlefay, I was going to put it on the user preferences page
[20:11:33] <Cyprus> xlefay: you're giving them way to much credit, i bet it started out as "eh.. fuck it" just like this S2 did
[20:11:16] <arti> hmmm that's cool
[20:11:14] <xlefay> NCommander, so long as you integrate it in the little menu above comments, it sounds great
[20:11:09] <NCommander> At least this awesome JS was GPL
[20:11:00] <NCommander> xlefay, slashcode was written on that design philsophy
[20:10:56] <Cyprus> that seems the / way to do things *grins*
[20:10:49] <NCommander> "Inline Reply"
[20:10:48] <NCommander> "Collaspable Comments Y/N"
[20:10:46] <xlefay> nah, it starts at "I'll look at it later" and later on it's "eh... fuck it, it works!"
[20:10:44] <Cyprus> and then do it anyway? =)
[20:10:42] <arti> "Enable HAX"
[20:10:36] <NCommander> "Enable Specific JS Functionality"
[20:10:30] <NCommander> Cyprus, xlefay: what I'm going to do is add a user option
[20:10:23] <Cyprus> no no no, arti, it's "eh... fuck it"
[20:10:20] <arti> management: "it works? move on"
[20:10:10] <Cyprus> lol, gotta love the site being GM
[20:10:08] <arti> you just tell yourself "i'l lcome back and do this right"
[20:09:58] <arti> life is about hacks man
[20:09:43] <Cyprus> whosoever pulls this hack out of this rock, shall be king of horrible scripts?
[20:09:37] <xlefay> arti, my favorite is seeing developers new to JS doing alerts in loops ;-)
[20:09:36] <arti> and when they start fiddling with it, it'll trap them
[20:09:34] <NCommander> Win :-)
[20:09:32] <NCommander> Write the best greasemonkey scripts you can, we vote, the winners get intergrated into the site
[20:09:30] <arti> we can leave a trail of scripts, and then we'll have one under a box with a stick and some string
[20:09:21] <NCommander> Cyprus, I'm just going to hold a contest
[20:09:13] <arti> beats 50x alerts
[20:09:11] <Cyprus> you guys should totally find a JS guy though, seriously
[20:09:01] <arti> think of it as your debug... buffer
[20:08:57] <xlefay> for errors, console.error("w00t w00t");
[20:08:53] * arti nods
[20:08:50] <xlefay> Then, just open your firebug console, and it'll show there
[20:08:39] <Cyprus> "print"
[20:08:36] <xlefay> alerts annoying
[20:08:36] <arti> Console.log('blah');
[20:08:34] * NCommander honestly knows *shit* about JS
[20:08:28] <NCommander> What's the best way to write to there?
[20:08:25] <arti> mostly.
[20:08:22] <arti> i've mostly reformed from using alerts
[20:08:04] <xlefay> ^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:07:58] <arti> console.log loves you
[20:07:51] <NCommander> I need to remove the alert() from the script
[20:07:46] * xlefay hides
[20:07:26] <Cyprus> GAH
[20:07:25] <xlefay> go have some bare guys!
[20:07:22] * xlefay throws NC at Cyprus
[20:07:21] <NCommander> MY EYES
[20:07:12] * Cyprus ducks
[20:07:01] <Cyprus> you get a bare Xlefay...
[20:06:56] <Cyprus> unlike nc's spelling =)
[20:06:46] <NCommander> yay
[20:06:45] <NCommander> When it degrads, you get the exact old behavior
[20:06:39] <SedBot> <Cyprus> so so happy
[20:06:39] <Cyprus> s/u/y/
[20:06:29] <Cyprus> so so happu
[20:06:12] <xlefay> Least, we've got some now.
[20:05:57] <NCommander> And an abuse of JavaScript
[20:05:53] <NCommander> THAT's horrid
[20:05:50] <NCommander> Its not fucking D2
[20:05:48] <Cyprus> i'm totally cool with this
[20:05:44] <Cyprus> i was just messing with you
[20:05:35] <NCommander> Cyprus, honestly, this isn't horrid
[20:05:24] <arti> :P
[20:04:59] <xlefay> auch
[20:04:52] <arti> the germans gave those out, too
[20:04:36] <xlefay> w00t
[20:04:24] <arti> heh
[20:04:16] <NCommander> xlefay, U HAZ GOLD STAR
[20:03:51] <xlefay> rofl
[20:03:45] <Cyprus> horrible hacks usually are tiny =)
[20:03:40] <NCommander> And yet so much better
[20:03:21] <NCommander> *1/10th
[20:03:20] <xlefay> I was 3 too early, unfortunately.
[20:03:20] <NCommander> Cyprus, its funny. this is a 1/0th the size of D2
[20:03:13] <xlefay> 65
[20:03:05] <NCommander> I'll give you a star on dev
[20:03:02] <NCommander> xlefay, hold on, what's your UID
[20:02:24] <Cyprus> soooo awesome
[20:01:52] <xlefay> it needs hovers, besides that, it's awesome :D
[20:01:42] <xlefay> I want a gold star also :o
[20:01:29] <NCommander> xlefay, your thoughts? :-)
[20:00:41] <NCommander> wow, epic timing is epic
[20:00:31] <NCommander> Cyprus, https://dev.soylentnews.org - I have a gold star already :-)
[20:00:30] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Internet Trolls Are Sadists - http://sylnt.us - no-big-surprise
[20:00:23] <Cyprus> the guy that wrote it can have a cheerleader sandwhich
[20:00:02] <Cyprus> thats the gold star
[20:00:00] <NCommander> I just ported the greasemonkey script (which required all of about three changes to do + https fix)
[19:59:59] <Cyprus> you added it
[19:59:51] <NCommander> I didn't write this
[19:59:47] <NCommander> Wish I could claim credit
[19:59:36] <Cyprus> you get a gold star
[19:59:30] <Cyprus> ohohhhhhh yessssssssssss
[19:59:16] <Cyprus> the boxes need some hovertext
[19:58:43] <NCommander> At least in Chromium and Firefox
[19:58:37] <NCommander> Cyprus, xlefay: works now
[19:56:49] <NCommander> Your mind will explode
[19:56:46] <NCommander> Cyprus, go look at our style sheets
[19:56:35] <Cyprus> thats... special
[19:56:30] <NCommander> Everything is absolute
[19:56:26] <Cyprus> ahh
[19:56:22] <NCommander> Cyprus, slash doesn't use them at all
[19:56:10] <Cyprus> not using relative links?
[19:55:58] <NCommander> firefox "blocked loading mixed active content"
[19:55:51] <NCommander> Cyprus, ah, the problem appears to be https related
[19:55:37] <Cyprus> children too?
[19:55:21] <Cyprus> huh, what are the mini boxes between the +- boxes?
[19:54:03] <Cyprus> hmmm, weird, i should have a log in then
[19:53:50] <NCommander> Cyprus, dev is a copy of the production DB from a few weeks ago
[19:53:37] <NCommander> Cyprus, debugging it
[19:52:57] <Cyprus> are accounts not unified on dev?
[19:52:25] <Cyprus> as it slightly doesn't work =P
[19:52:18] <Cyprus> it does appear slightly bugged
[19:52:10] * NCommander goes to get his mallet
[19:52:04] <NCommander> Cyprus, the request HTTP call must be slightly bugged
[19:51:48] <Cyprus> but im just estatic to *see js* =P
[19:51:40] <Cyprus> error 2 getting url
[19:51:35] * NCommander needs to tinker w/ ESCRIPT
[19:51:26] <NCommander> Shit
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[19:50:09] * NCommander hears silenec
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[19:47:03] * arti investigates
[19:46:50] <NCommander> Check out the shiny
[19:46:48] <NCommander> xlefay, n1, art, Cyprus: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:43:40] <NCommander> Its connecting!
[19:43:40] <NCommander> If I can keep a connection open to lithium long enough
[19:43:40] <NCommander> This lag is stupid
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[19:31:48] * xlefay eagerly keeps refreshing dev till NCommander finally deploys his script
[19:29:49] <xlefay> I've got BadAss on my side, be careful now
[19:29:39] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o xlefay] by BadAss
[19:29:31] <NCommander> */cartman*
[19:29:31] <NCommander> RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!
[19:29:31] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o xlefay] by juggler
[19:29:31] <NCommander> .deop xlefay
[19:29:28] <xlefay> Not that sorta payoff, rofl I was referring to crutchy|zzz's suspicion :P
[19:29:14] <xlefay> LOL
[19:29:05] * arti keeps his back to the wall
[19:28:57] <arti> payoff o.o
[19:28:18] <xlefay> !updatestats
[19:28:16] <xlefay> !update-stats
[19:27:53] <xlefay> arti, so about that payoff eh ;)
[19:26:52] <NCommander> Holy crap that's lag
[19:26:48] <xlefay> err, I mean the deployment rofl
[19:26:46] <Cyprus> uh oh
[19:26:43] <arti> heh
[19:26:42] <xlefay> NCommander, anyway, let me know when it's done
[19:26:37] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o NCommander] by juggler
[19:26:37] <NCommander> .op
[19:25:54] <Cyprus> err rofl
[19:25:50] <Cyprus> rpf;
[19:25:46] <xlefay> That's awfully bare of you
[19:25:38] <NCommander> my connection degraded to the point SSH times out
[19:25:35] <NCommander> ugh
[19:25:35] <NCommander> I will castrate you all in your sleep :-P
[19:25:08] <n1> rofl
[19:25:05] <Cyprus> bow chicka bow wowwwww....
[19:24:53] <xlefay> uh oh, well, in that case, I'll respectfully decline but thanks for the offer, I feel privileged ;-)
[19:24:50] <Cyprus> lol
[19:24:46] * NCommander goes to watch the mountians out the window
[19:24:26] <Cyprus> correction, xlefay, he wants you bare with him =P
[19:24:03] <n1> lol
[19:24:00] <NCommander> ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................
[19:23:58] <NCommander> ...................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
[19:23:42] <deadbeef> Added quote 112
[19:23:42] <xlefay> !grab Cyprus
[19:23:37] <n1> thats how i read it too...
[19:23:34] * NCommander knees Cyprus
[19:23:33] <xlefay> NCommander, I thought you meant the API stuff ha
[19:23:25] <NCommander> ....
[19:23:06] <Cyprus> he want's you bare
[19:22:37] <NCommander> xlefay, bare with me here
[19:21:48] <NCommander> xlefay, :-)
[19:21:29] <xlefay> yeah, I thought you were referring to something else for a sec
[19:20:54] <NCommander> Right, but I stripped out the GM hooks
[19:20:45] <xlefay> yeah but JS itself is client side eh :p
[19:20:43] <NCommander> I modified it to not be one anymore :-)
[19:20:36] <NCommander> xlefay, this was originally a greasemonkey script
[19:20:31] <xlefay> The API thing you mentioned?
[19:20:20] <xlefay> 'server side'?
[19:20:08] <Cyprus> is that just on dev or live?
[19:19:40] * NCommander managed to hack that GM script into a server side script
[19:19:28] <NCommander> Cyprus, not a problem, I have dynamic comments working
[19:19:10] <Cyprus> ncommander: I give up, that comment is lost to the ether as far as my ability to search is concerned
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[18:43:44] <Blackmoore> *lighning flashes, Thundder cracks*
[18:43:05] <Cyprus> huh, if i go to a specific comment, i cant seem to find a way to go to it's parent, or the article it's attached to
[18:38:15] <NCommander> LET THERE BE DYNAMIC COMMENTS!
[18:38:04] * NCommander tests his modified script
[18:36:27] <Cyprus> i've dated girls younger rofl...
[18:36:08] * Cyprus ducks too
[18:35:11] <Cyprus> you'd probably have to visit a cemetary to get at least some of the copylefts
[18:34:38] <Cyprus> so was most of the code =)
[18:34:32] * NCommander ducks
[18:34:26] <NCommander> Cyprus, that was a very long time ago
[18:33:28] <Cyprus> they did too!
[18:33:21] <Cyprus> i bet at least half of that code began with "Fuck it..."
[18:33:18] <NCommander> Cyprus, but I care about our users!
[18:33:01] <Cyprus> you sir are well on your way to being a / coder =P
[18:32:46] <NCommander> For JS disabled users, the interfae doesn't change :-)
[18:32:39] <NCommander> and, bonus, it only draws the expand icons if JS is enabled
[18:32:18] <NCommander> *but*, it works properly looking for the div tag
[18:32:18] <Cyprus> rofl
[18:32:08] <NCommander> Its a fugly hack; it pulls comments.pl and then strips out the HTML
[18:32:00] <NCommander> Cyprus, ok, I think I got this greasemonkey script modified to be server side
[18:29:26] <Cyprus> until D2 can be implemented, makes it much more navigable
[18:28:33] <Cyprus> yeah so google has the full comment tree when people search
[18:23:19] * NCommander writes the original author of the GS script
[18:22:33] * NCommander goes hacky hack hack hack
[18:22:27] <NCommander> fuck it
[18:22:26] <NCommander> Eh
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[18:03:43] * poutine sets his user agent to googlebot :)
[18:03:31] <poutine> not a bad idea
[18:03:13] <poutine> give full comment tree to googlebot?
[18:01:11] <Cyprus> fyi, it might be worth setting google to see nested comments
[18:00:05] <Cyprus> ugh, google is not being helpful
[17:59:19] <NCommander> and call it good
[17:59:17] <NCommander> Honestly, I'd just want to take this http://userscripts.org modify it to use AJAX and remove the greasemonkey API hooks
[17:57:03] <NCommander> Slash has a handrolled AJAX API, and uses jquery pretty heavily throughout the admin pages
[17:57:01] <Cyprus> so i can stop getting laughed at for saying i know Perl
[17:56:47] <poutine> just mine
[17:56:47] <Cyprus> im trying to learn python at the moment
[17:56:46] <poutine> but not saying that it's good for every purpose
[17:56:41] <Cyprus> nice
[17:56:38] <poutine> realtime platforms FTW
[17:56:34] <poutine> node.js is awesome
[17:56:31] <poutine> I almost entirely write everything in JS nowadays
[17:56:27] <Cyprus> i'm half decent, i just rarely do it
[17:56:22] <poutine> yeah that is true, it's not the easiest question to answer
[17:56:17] <NCommander> yay :-/
[17:56:16] * NCommander notes in other news, I continue to suck at writing JS
[17:55:55] <Cyprus> why i said the random path with a redirect trim
[17:55:20] <Cyprus> a lot of corps do central caching even still
[17:54:56] <Cyprus> it's not just your cache though
[17:54:55] <poutine> you want to add referrer to the calls, just so you can easily say "for this page, x% of people have JS enabled"
[17:54:14] <poutine> check count of static-pixel.gif hits in varnish logs, check count of dynamic pixel hits in varnish
[17:54:14] <NCommander> poutine, that's easy; we have a whitelist of things that bypass caching, adding something new is fairly trivial
[17:54:14] <Cyprus> yeah, random name subfolder redirect is the way i'd go
[17:53:37] <poutine> so js pixel firing would only occur on JS aware and executing browsers, you would have to cachebust the static pixel to avoid caching, <img src="http://www.soylentnews.org/static-pixel.gif?ts=213982912&rs=23447">
[17:53:04] * NCommander posts so many comments that searching my history won't be useful
[17:52:45] <Cyprus> ugh its not going to be easy to find that comment
[17:51:53] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - FastMail Thwarts Domain Stealing Attempt - http://sylnt.us - security-is-underrated
[17:51:36] <Cyprus> but like noscript for example will still load the file
[17:51:08] <Cyprus> the pixel isn't a bad solution
[17:50:55] <Cyprus> yeah access logs arent a great way to tell that (worked as a sysadmin for CDN)
[17:50:37] <NCommander> Hrm ...
[17:50:31] <poutine> compare the two
[17:50:30] <poutine> and have a static pixel in HTML
[17:50:18] <poutine> If I had to do it, I'd fire a pixel in JS
[17:50:05] <poutine> also I'd be worried that clients are caching that js file NCommander
[17:49:04] <poutine> bots are a high percentage of traffic, bots that run JS are not
[17:48:53] <poutine> NCommander, make sure you filter bots out of that
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[17:48:26] <NCommander> poutine, I'm going to have to go through the access log and see if I can figure out the ratio of hits to index.pl/core.js. I suspect given the general demographic, our non-JS users are higher than most, but I still suspect low single digits
[17:47:36] <Cyprus> it drove me crazy
[17:47:35] <NCommander> poutine, there's a TODO for it, this isn't a wheel I really want to reinvent
[17:47:30] <Cyprus> i think /. had a really bad js implementation for a while
[17:47:07] <poutine> NCommander, should be a problem easily solveable with Solr or elasticsearch
[17:46:51] <poutine> the only times I've been pissed about js is when a site is using it too much for little benefit, when I have hanging scripts that are there for marketing reasons,
[17:46:39] <NCommander> Cyprus, the search engine is stuck in 1994 :-)
[17:46:27] <Cyprus> oh that's awesome, when you search for comments on SN, it only shows the title, not the first line or anything of the actual comment
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[17:44:58] <poutine> 1-2% is not really worth it
[17:44:48] <poutine> if that number becomes 35%, then it makes sense to appeal to that segment
[17:44:36] <poutine> n
[17:44:35] <poutine> it might be worth checking if js is enabled, logging that, and going over the results when you clarify your JS positio
[17:44:19] <poutine> NCommander, Honestly though, this is something that is unique to your site, you can take statistics on this
[17:43:56] <NCommander> poutine, thanks, loading
[17:43:46] <poutine> http://ux.stackexchange.com <- This is good reading on the subject
[17:42:54] <NCommander> Cyprus, appericated
[17:42:42] <Cyprus> i can try and find the comment if you want, it was a reply to one of yours on some story
[17:42:37] <NCommander> Going to fix that
[17:42:30] <deadbeef> todo item 6 added
[17:42:30] <NCommander> !todo clarify JS position on next site news post
[17:42:19] <NCommander> Cyprus, .... crap
[17:42:09] <Cyprus> i saw a guy post a while back he was a js programmer, and felt like he wouldn't even be welcome on the staff based on what he's seen and his perception which was similar to mine regarding an anti js crusade
[17:41:45] <poutine> time that could have been spent improving other aspects
[17:41:38] <poutine> but pandering to the anti-js zealots is going to take up a lot of time
[17:41:26] <poutine> ok that's fine NCommander
[17:41:16] <poutine> the later is more responsible
[17:41:15] <NCommander> poutine, I just said we're going to use JS to redo comments and such. I'll make sure the site degrades nicely for the non-JS folks
[17:41:06] <poutine> you can spend 10 months having perfect IE 5 support, or you can just expect people to run modern shit
[17:40:44] <poutine> do not pander to them
[17:40:41] <poutine> people who disable JS are less than 1% of the browsing population
[17:40:40] <Cyprus> i'm not commenting on the lack of the code, im commenting mostly on what is precieved by me as a crusade against anything that doesn't work on lynx
[17:40:33] <poutine> of course NCommander, but you're never going to get there with this anti-JS mentality
[17:40:10] * NCommander can't enable functionality that hasn't been coded
[17:39:52] <Cyprus> and i read very fast
[17:39:51] <NCommander> poutine, I would have been happy to roll the site out with D2 if the code was proper.
[17:39:48] <poutine> It's ridiculous I can't get notified in realtime when someone responds to my comments
[17:39:47] <Cyprus> on a properly done dynamic page, he is much faster than i am
[17:39:36] <NCommander> and if/when I get to reworking D1 to be less-1997, its likely going to be using JS for expanding/collasping comments
[17:39:33] <poutine> It's ridiculous I have to reload the entire page to see child comments
[17:38:59] <NCommander> Cyprus, JS can be used well. I'm not against it as most people are
[17:38:47] <Cyprus> its all design, not the infrastructure
[17:38:31] <Cyprus> i work with a blind guy, js isn't usually the biggest complaint, it's the use of images for everything, not seperating the page properly, and alt text abuse
[17:38:29] <poutine> Ok seriously, lynx was not meant to do browsing loads on the modern web. Hell, even ~1999, you only used it to download stuff that had a browser redirect that wget would not follow
[17:37:37] <NCommander> But the layout is extremely wonky and I want to get it to be perfectly usable and easy for those with such disabilities
[17:37:16] <NCommander> poutine, it usable. Not great. I have tested it with Fangs and lynx and all basic functionality works
[17:37:02] <poutine> I see no aria shit on it
[17:37:01] <ar> poutine: well… it depends actually. the us versions used a different OS than the rest of the world
[17:36:57] <poutine> Are you trying to claim your site is easily accessible by blind readers?
[17:36:45] <NCommander> poutine, the blind community would strongly disagree w/ you
[17:36:35] <poutine> nobody uses lynx
[17:36:32] <NCommander> poutine, I'm referring to people with visual difficulties, or motor difficulties that makes using a mouse difficult
[17:36:28] <ar> poutine: no, it couldn't
[17:36:16] <Cyprus> heh even in trolling, he makes a decent point. Anything that isn't text is abuse of http =)
[17:36:12] <NCommander> poutine, screen readers and lynx don't. Javascript abuse breaks pretty much every screen reader
[17:36:10] <poutine> hell I think even the old motorola razr feature phone could do JS in its browser
[17:35:56] <poutine> including phone browsers
[17:35:52] <poutine> all modern browsers support javascript
[17:35:50] <deadbeef> karma - poutine: -335
[17:35:50] <NCommander> poutine++
[17:35:40] <poutine> I think we can all agree that everything we piled on to HTTP was a hack that enabled annoying shit to occur. That doesn't mean we go back to using gopher, it just means that you shouldn't make your site annoying
[17:35:33] <NCommander> poutine, sites that use JS for everything like menu navigation/dynamic content with no concern of accessibility or those who can't (or won't) use a normal browser
[17:35:04] <Cyprus> i don't like voting abuse either, but we don't end voting because of it...
[17:34:46] <poutine> what is rampant js abuse?
[17:34:38] <NCommander> Which far far too many sites par-take in
[17:34:29] <NCommander> I don't like rampant JS abuse
[17:34:16] <Cyprus> as much as i hate to agree with you, i really do wish there wasn't such an anti js crusade
[17:33:18] <poutine> What's next for the SN team, installing a recent version of ubuntu on an old Cray waterfall supercomputer?
[17:32:25] <poutine> If SN didn't have crotchety people who refused to use anything using javascript (seriously, get with the times people), you could have gradually replaced pieces of slashcode with something in a modern language just based on API endpoints
[17:31:46] <Cyprus> i pulled an old number, and it wasnt old enough, awesome
[17:31:30] <Cyprus> lol
[17:31:27] <NCommander> 1997
[17:31:18] <Cyprus> well, it was probably 2001
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[17:31:03] <NCommander> Cyprus, I suspect someone didn't know about DynLoader
[17:30:25] <Cyprus> why in the hell would... nevermind i don't want to go down that road
[17:30:10] <Cyprus> wait, what?
[17:30:01] <Cyprus> is it at least triggered by user data?
[17:29:56] <NCommander> it looks like just eval's in the entire Pm file
[17:29:48] <NCommander> Cyprus, in its dynamic class loader
[17:29:26] <Cyprus> ooooo where?
[17:29:20] * NCommander feels unclean
[17:29:18] <NCommander> GAH, slash uses eval
[17:28:56] <Cyprus> clearly he needed to be shot =)
[17:28:48] <Cyprus> he was running right at them
[17:27:53] <poutine> they'll be cleared of any wrongdoing
[17:27:50] <Blackmoore> @poutine no, but i did have to use an ancient sound blaster as the sound chip didnt have linux support. (under ubuntu 7)
[17:27:48] <poutine> LA police just shot a guy yesterday without any weapons
[17:26:21] <Blackmoore> I'd make a bet that the LA poloce would not drop you at your chosen destination
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[17:25:34] <Cyprus> and someone else is driving you
[17:25:13] <Cyprus> you don't pay for the ride, although it might take a detour
[17:24:59] <poutine> how do you figure, > 50 MPG on a motorcycle, can do it quicker, etc
[17:24:46] <Cyprus> you have a driver
[17:24:37] <Cyprus> its more efficient though
[17:24:20] <poutine> eh I'm confident I could beat a police car across the city
[17:21:35] <Cyprus> police cars
[17:21:00] <poutine> well I think at the very least we can all agree that motorcycles are the most efficient manner of transportation in los angeles
[17:19:47] <Subsentient> Theta.
[17:19:32] <poutine> alpha, whatever
[17:19:22] <Cyprus> *implies
[17:19:17] <Cyprus> beta implys the software was in a shipable state
[17:18:58] <poutine> it sucks that ubuntu makes a ton of people beta testers for shit technology that isn't ready yet, but it does hammer out a lot of kinks
[17:18:55] <Cyprus> it was, once it started to work, 5 years after it happened
[17:18:27] <poutine> alsa was not the right way to go
[17:18:22] <poutine> pulseaudio is a painful transition, but it was sorely needed
[17:17:34] <Cyprus> I'd pay to see the PulseAudio guy beaten, does that count as "support" ?
[17:17:23] <poutine> I remember around the year 2000 paying like $15 for binary sound drivers that enabled my crystalsound soundcard to work in linux
[17:16:56] <poutine> Anyone ever pay for sound support in linux?
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[17:05:55] <mattie_p> lol
[17:05:15] <poutine> nice os, needs an editor
[17:05:15] <Blackmoore> gnight
[17:04:23] <mattie_p> *cough* emacs
[17:04:01] <poutine> I'll pretend you said gvim
[17:03:26] crutchy is now known as crutchy|zzz
[17:03:24] <crutchy> woops changing nick in gedit won't work
[17:02:42] <crutchy> night everybloody :-P
[17:02:35] <Konomi> bai bai
[17:02:30] <crutchy> cya mattie_p, poutine, konomi
[17:02:09] <crutchy> complicated stuff hurts
[17:02:03] <mattie_p> well, talk to you later, crutchy
[17:01:51] <crutchy> actually i really should hit the hay anyway
[17:01:35] <crutchy> wow poutine that was too much for my feeble brain at 1am :-P
[17:01:27] <mattie_p> I just found my code that I made to simulate Wheel of Time magic system
[17:01:02] <mattie_p> I have to dig up my code, I used to have extra exits I added (ne, sw, etc), as well as the ability to do things like name exits as "climb tree" or something, rather than "up"
[17:00:40] <poutine> using a $20 rtlsdr device
[17:00:27] <poutine> crutchy, Ok think more that I pull up a white rape van outside your house, and you have Insteon home automation tech, and I listen in on 915 MHz for the FSK encoded sensor messages, or I plug into your powerline network and read it from there
[16:59:46] <mattie_p> it probably would be so much easier today, but the point of this one was nostalgia
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[16:59:09] <crutchy> re mapping a house
[16:58:57] <crutchy> poutine: we just use point cloud laser scanning :-P
[16:58:55] <poutine> I'd love to write a MUD in Node.JS, I've dealt with a number of C codebases, and shit is just so much easier today, and I think you could put together a decent one in a month or less, but the problem is nobody plays MUDs anymore
[16:58:38] <mattie_p> simple but effective
[16:58:25] <mattie_p> I'd probably have to make four identical rooms, each of which lead on most exits to themselves, in one case lead to the next in sequence, in one case leading back out
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[16:57:38] <mattie_p> no flags to do anything like that are built in, exits are static at this point
[16:57:33] <poutine> I was trying to formulate an algorithm which I could map out a house or portions of a house based on passively listening to sensor data
[16:57:08] <Konomi> ;p
[16:57:07] <Konomi> you people are too old
[16:56:57] <mattie_p> anyway, the mud doesn't allow for codes like that yet
[16:56:39] <mattie_p> (not konomi)
[16:56:12] <mattie_p> next he'll tell us he doesn't know the konami code
[16:55:58] <mattie_p> up, left, down, left.
[16:55:41] <poutine> uh, were you abused?
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[16:55:36] <crutchy> lol dunno i never played zelda
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[16:55:32] <mattie_p> if you got off the road it was nearly impossible to find it again, I think I was doing mirkwood
[16:55:16] <poutine> how would you map the connection to the graveyard?
[16:55:15] <crutchy> yeah i guess it would be complicated if you have too many weird things
[16:55:01] <poutine> Think of the forest in Legend of Zelda
[16:54:49] <mattie_p> I once made a forest that did that, it was pretty confusing to players
[16:54:49] <poutine> crutchy, Well it's just impossible to have 1 single coherent map in most muds
[16:54:25] <crutchy> just need a symbol to indicate anything weird
[16:54:17] <mattie_p> lots of areas have mazes that make the area look bigger due to cross-linking
[16:53:59] <poutine> like you can make the north exit of a room go to the same room as if you went to the south exit
[16:53:55] <mattie_p> yes, this is true
[16:53:46] <poutine> the problem with mud mapping is that the layout of the mud does not have to match a physically possible layout
[16:53:44] <mattie_p> Juggs is doing it by walking around, not sure if he has an automapper or what he is using
[16:53:24] <mattie_p> most mud clients have an automap function you can use
[16:53:22] <poutine> just parse the area files
[16:53:14] <poutine> Are you doing it manually or something
[16:53:05] <mattie_p> only a few of the 48 are mapped right now
[16:52:55] <crutchy> cool. i was actually kinda thinking about drawing something like that on paper cos i kept getting lost :-P
[16:52:35] <mattie_p> yeah, map of the areas
[16:52:24] <crutchy> lol is that a mud map?
[16:52:23] <mattie_p> If I feel up to it I might take a public domain bare-bones and make something out of it, but who knows when that will be
[16:51:30] <poutine> no need to explain
[16:51:28] <poutine> we all played diku/circlemud mattie_p
[16:51:28] <crutchy> nah she ok
[16:51:19] <mattie_p> doh, sorry to hear that, hope nothing serious
[16:51:12] <crutchy> access is shit, but the company data is on it
[16:50:58] <crutchy> poor little tyke :-P
[16:50:53] <mattie_p> I'll probably post a link after I draw up a simple webpage explaining what this is
[16:50:53] <poutine> why use access?
[16:50:53] <crutchy> my daughter was sitting on my lap tonight. she was doing some drawing at my desk with me. i fell asleep and she said something fell and she quickly tried to grab it and fell backwards onto the floorboards. i felt so aweful
[16:50:34] <mattie_p> http://juggsdrobly.manichostingservices.co.uk
[16:49:58] <mattie_p> but Juggs is busy mapping it out
[16:49:50] <mattie_p> yeah, I haven't made any changes lately
[16:49:23] <crutchy> prolly been too busy i guess
[16:49:16] <crutchy> how's the dungeon?
[16:49:06] <mattie_p> well, thats great, and good luck with the template processor
[16:49:03] <crutchy> feels good to make something work
[16:48:42] <crutchy> i've been excited about it all day at work, and then when i finally get home i'm usually too tired but today i sat down and did a bit :-)
[16:47:32] <crutchy> need a template processors
[16:47:24] <crutchy> i've already got the access query stuff worked out. just trying to pull into the wiki
[16:46:59] <crutchy> php
[16:46:53] <mattie_p> ah, cool. what language?
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[16:46:39] <crutchy> very simple atm, but i wanna make it so i can substitute wiki templates containing access queries with actual formatted data from an access database
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[16:45:55] <crutchy> it's a little template replace thing for a wiki
[16:45:26] <crutchy> i have a guena pig named waffles
[16:45:21] <mattie_p> what does your code do?
[16:45:14] <mattie_p> I'm ok, daughter is eating waffle today, which is a big improvement
[16:44:59] <crutchy> you just happened to turn up at the right moment :-)
[16:44:27] <crutchy> lol nah
[16:44:24] <crutchy> hope you're well
[16:44:13] <mattie_p> you wrote code to summon me?
[16:44:06] <mattie_p> hi crutchy
[16:44:03] <crutchy> my code worked
[16:43:59] <crutchy> hi mattie_p
[16:43:48] <crutchy> yay!
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[16:40:19] <Blackmoore> mornin mattie
[16:40:08] <Blackmoore> gnight
[16:34:57] <mattie_p> oh, and I scared prospectacle away
[16:34:45] <mattie_p> heya guys, how is it shaking today?
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[16:34:38] <prospectacle> Guess I'd better get some sleep. Have a good one everybody.
[16:30:46] <crutchy> the smell alone is enough to wake me up :-P
[16:29:24] <prospectacle> Yes plunger coffee is good. Generally a bit stronger than espresso. You really taste it
[16:28:51] <prospectacle> we call them plungers. We're a simple people.
[16:28:20] * prospectacle had to look up french press
[16:27:48] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, filter coffee is starting to become popular here. I think it's an american thing.
[16:27:48] <Blackmoore> yeah. I make a good pot myself, better if i have french press
[16:26:58] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, you'll have to sneak your own into work.
[16:26:21] <prospectacle> Well that kind of takes the fun out of it. Coffee is for fuelling whatever you're doing while you're sitting down. If you have to get up and drive you may as well go for a run or something to make you more alert.
[16:26:20] <crutchy> the receptionist in our office always has nice plunger coffee... nice smell to arrive to work to :-)
[16:26:13] <Blackmoore> the local owned places are better still,
[16:25:47] <Blackmoore> i can get both at timmy hortons, or Spot
[16:25:19] <Blackmoore> we have a lot of good coffee places - but i'd have to drive to get to one
[16:25:15] <prospectacle> Is it mostly filter or espresso around there?
[16:24:55] <Blackmoore> buffalo
[16:24:45] <Blackmoore> the crap up here in the break room is more like battery acid
[16:24:40] <prospectacle> What city is that Blackmoore?
[16:24:26] <Blackmoore> the coffe they have down in our cafateria is like starbucks - burnt
[16:23:58] <crutchy> yeah
[16:23:46] <prospectacle> melbourne is great for coffee in general
[16:23:30] <crutchy> i think it's pretty common
[16:23:16] <prospectacle> Crutchy, that's a pretty good idea, especially the bigger buildings
[16:22:55] <prospectacle> Sell danish on the side
[16:22:53] <crutchy> i remember doing vac work during my degree in a government building in melbourne. there was a coffee stand in the foyer.
[16:22:50] <prospectacle> Bring it to your desk and everything.
[16:22:19] <prospectacle> You'd only need to work between 7 and 10 and you'd make a lot of money
[16:22:06] <crutchy> most guys that want a decent coffee at my work just go to a nearby cafe
[16:22:04] <prospectacle> Maybe that would be a good business. i've heard of people who make money going round to do office massages for five minutes and then leave. Someone could be a travelling barista
[16:20:58] <prospectacle> well to be honest I would pay full price for a coffee if there was a cafe in the kitchen, but I'd have to walk all the way next door.
[16:20:15] <crutchy> cheaper to hire a maid :-P
[16:20:08] <crutchy> they are very expensive
[16:20:01] <prospectacle> I don't like my chances
[16:19:53] <crutchy> every workplace needs one :-)
[16:19:46] <crutchy> yes
[16:19:38] <prospectacle> crutchy, well then I'd better ask my work if they can buy us a wife for the kitchen.
[16:19:36] <crutchy> very rare those
[16:19:06] <crutchy> well, a wife that isn't borked :-P
[16:18:53] <crutchy> it's called a wife
[16:18:36] <prospectacle> TK, I have an idea: A coffee machine that washes out the reusable coffee-holder for you. Scoop coffee, put in machine, makes coffee, opens bottom of coffee-holder, flushes grounds into refuse container. Done
[16:18:19] <crutchy> helps if there is only one wiki.inc file of course
[16:18:03] <crutchy> atm i'm working on wiki__ProcessTemplate function and if i ever run into a call to it in another function i'll know straight away that it's declared in wiki.inc file
[16:17:52] <NCommander> prospectacle, yeah
[16:17:31] <prospectacle> Not much different to an old espresso machine really. You have to wash them out I assume
[16:17:12] <prospectacle> I think you can get sort of hard-plastic-mesh ones, that you snap shut
[16:16:56] <TK> ?
[16:16:55] <TK> Do you have to put a new seal on the top of the pod every time
[16:16:27] <prospectacle> TK, yeah I was just googling about it, looks like for major brands you can get refillable third party ones
[16:16:20] <TK> But the older and more common it is, the more likely there's an offbrand
[16:16:17] <crutchy> work is bad
[16:16:14] <crutchy> find in files is more work
[16:16:06] <TK> prospectacle: I think it depends on the machine
[16:16:01] <crutchy> i started, but i got bored
[16:15:59] <prospectacle> crutchy, clear organisation is good. On the other hand, "find in files" is your friend.
[16:15:26] <crutchy> without searching and interrupting your workflow
[16:15:20] <prospectacle> I tried to read it but I didn't get very far. It doesn't help that I've never done any perl
[16:15:12] <crutchy> if you're looking as some code and a function is called, at least you know where to look for it if you need to
[16:14:50] <crutchy> yeah
[16:14:45] <prospectacle> crutchy, you mean in slash?
[16:14:22] <prospectacle> NCommander, it's going well so far.
[16:14:19] <crutchy> and the tree of folders reduced
[16:14:02] <crutchy> i reckon function names should be prefixed with filename and duplicate filenames should be eliminated
[16:12:54] <NCommander> prospectacle, there's so much shit to do with slash I don't even know where to begin
[16:08:58] <prospectacle> TK, can you get reusable pods to fit existing machines or do you need to pick the right machine to start with?
[16:08:26] <prospectacle> ok I'll drop it
[16:07:39] * NCommander rolls eyes
[16:07:27] <prospectacle> NCommander, have you kickstarted a book about slash yet. I'll buy a copy. Tell people if you pledge $100 or more you can log into this chat room and see your real time updates. Don't tell them they can do it for free, though.
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[16:03:23] <prospectacle> NCommander. Good idea. I bet a lot of people would want to tinker if they felt there were a few useful guides to hold their hand at the start.
[16:03:17] <TK> I concur, wasteful but very good
[16:02:54] <TK> or recycle the pods
[16:02:45] <TK> You can use reusable pods
[16:02:34] <prospectacle> TK, actually we got a new one of those pod machines. Wasteful as hell, but really good coffee
[16:02:24] <NCommander> prospectacle, manual is far far away. I'm tempted to try and doxyify the code base though
[16:02:23] <prospectacle> Yeah, but at least it's the weekend.
[16:02:19] <TK> Anyone here have *good* work coffee?
[16:02:03] <crutchy> it just ticked over midnight here :-P
[16:01:27] <prospectacle> lots of love for coffee. america must be waking up. I guess that means it's past my bed-time
[16:01:24] <crutchy> code documentations is overrated
[16:00:52] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, cool what kinds of games do you make?
[16:00:37] * crutchy smacks empty space where brain should be
[16:00:29] <TK> Don't mind me
[16:00:25] <TK> Oh, I mean, php and slashcode
[16:00:19] <deadbeef> karma - coffee: 18
[16:00:19] <crutchy> coffee++
[16:00:16] <crutchy> coffee+
[16:00:11] <deadbeef> karma - coffee: 17
[16:00:10] <TK> coffee++
[16:00:08] <Blackmoore> well, if i can get a couple hours a day I'll be happy to get back to dev. i miss making games.
[15:59:53] <prospectacle> NCommander, request: A comment section in our manual (if there's ever a manual)
[15:59:52] <TK> I must need more coffee
[15:59:47] <TK> I read the Navy railgun story, and I'm calculating an average acceleration of the projectile within the gun barrel of 40,000g
[15:59:44] <crutchy> most of them seem to be haystack first, but there's oddballs like str_replace
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[15:59:22] <prospectacle> haystack, then needle? no wait, does this one even have an undescore in its name?
[15:58:45] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah it's inconsistent as hell
[15:58:30] <crutchy> i just about need a separate bookmarks menu just for php.net cos i'm always forgetting which way args go :-P
[15:58:28] <prospectacle> NCommander, yes that's one of its strong points. Such a simple but genius idea, having a comments section in the manual
[15:58:06] <NCommander> While I'm not super found of PHP, the documentation is kick ass
[15:57:47] <crutchy> php.net is pretty good as far as a help site goes
[15:57:23] <prospectacle> yes they should call the php standard library the php function forest or something less dumb than that. You're always stumbling into new clearings full of interesting things
[15:56:56] <crutchy> sometimes easy > shiny
[15:56:47] <crutchy> it's not shiny, but it's easy
[15:56:17] <crutchy> always stumbling on new functions
[15:56:05] <crutchy> i just found out about substr_count tonight lol
[15:56:02] <NCommander> Its not as shiny as it seems
[15:55:34] <prospectacle> looks useful
[15:55:33] * prospectacle had never heard of strtok before
[15:54:43] <crutchy> makes work easier
[15:54:31] <crutchy> and writing it
[15:54:28] <crutchy> i enjoy using it
[15:54:22] <crutchy> yeah
[15:54:19] <crutchy> so i guess it must be fun too ;-)
[15:54:17] <prospectacle> I hope you enjoy it then
[15:54:03] <crutchy> but i don't get paid for it
[15:53:59] <crutchy> its for work
[15:53:50] <crutchy> so is strtok
[15:53:40] <prospectacle> crutchy, cool. Is this work or fun? what kind of a wiki is it?
[15:53:34] <crutchy> explode is awesome
[15:53:19] <prospectacle> e.g.: $lines = explode("\n", $text); foreach ($lines as $index=>$line) $lines[$index] = explode("\t", $line);
[15:53:14] <crutchy> writing a little template processor for my wiki
[15:53:00] <crutchy> i'm doing some parsing in php atm prospectacle :-P
[15:52:42] <crutchy> oh fuck it must be bed time
[15:52:35] <prospectacle> php is probably the best for parsing, but I haven't tried everything
[15:52:34] <crutchy> ~todo
[15:52:22] <deadbeef> karma - coffee: 16
[15:52:22] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:52:06] <deadbeef> todo item 1 added
[15:52:06] <prospectacle> !todo learn how to use todo list in irc
[15:52:06] <Blackmoore> yeah it probably does. by the time VB came around I was out of dev and working
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[15:51:56] <prospectacle> lol
[15:51:52] <crutchy> ??
[15:51:47] <deadbeef> todo item 7 added
[15:51:47] <crutchy> !todo 1
[15:51:43] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah you gotta do some work, I agree. Otherwise you don't appreciate free time. Well that's what happens to me anyway.
[15:51:14] <crutchy> as much as i dream of not having to go to work, i would go insane if i didn't go to work
[15:51:13] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, I found basic was not bad for parsing. I wrote a command shell I still use all the time. but it was like vb6 so probably had a lot more than earlier basics
[15:50:53] <Blackmoore> and if you were stuck in basic; you had to find shortcuts for the loops - and still include synonym support
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[15:50:30] <prospectacle> NCommander, I'm pretty jealous. I've recently taken a small step towards my dream. I recently negotiated a 4 day work week, so long weekend every weekend. Hopefully I can get my hobby projects to something releasable.
[15:50:24] <NCommander> Blackmoore, I have to do some work in assembly soon ;.;
[15:50:23] <crutchy> say hi to doc brown
[15:50:11] <NCommander> Bingo
[15:49:40] <prospectacle> NCommander, well I guess you're from the future
[15:49:37] <Blackmoore> parsing the language (in basic or ASM) not quite so easy
[15:49:26] <NCommander> Oooh, I can see a CSX freight running down on the far side of the river
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[15:49:10] <NCommander> prospectacle, I already do that now ;-)
[15:49:06] <Blackmoore> splitting up strings was the easy part
[15:48:50] <prospectacle> Before high level languages
[15:48:46] <Blackmoore> yeah. Prosp I just got in to work. I'm enjoy ing haveing the chat up since it's too damn quiet here
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[15:48:42] <prospectacle> Is that because just splitting up strings was hard?
[15:47:48] <Blackmoore> early text adventures were a pain in the ass to write. the language parser was f'ing fustrating (of course i we new at the time)
[15:47:39] <prospectacle> Blackmoore, are u at work?
[15:47:21] <prospectacle> NCommander, pretty sweet having internet on the train. A glimpse of the future. I hope we can all work in mobile offices with lots of bandwidth. What an adventurous world it would be. By the end of the work day you could be in another state or country. By the end of week, who knows.
[15:46:44] <Blackmoore> blocked here of course.
[15:45:49] <prospectacle> http://www.web-adventures.org
[15:45:46] <Blackmoore> zork
[15:45:33] <prospectacle> The very core problem of adventure games laid bare in its earliest incarnation. Don't require us to be psychic
[15:45:31] <Blackmoore> which Zore btw?
[15:45:26] <NCommander> Blackmoore, ?
[15:45:22] <Blackmoore> the site in general.
[15:45:12] <prospectacle> Not sure if I tried that one. I tried "climb down canyon" "climb canyon", "Go to canyon". What am I psychic
[15:45:00] <NCommander> download complete
[15:44:58] <NCommander> W00t
[15:44:34] <NCommander> climb down to canyon
[15:44:31] <prospectacle> blackmoore, which ones?
[15:43:59] <prospectacle> this zork parser is dumb. "It is possible to climb down to the canyon from here". ">Climb down to the canyon". "You see no such thing"
[15:43:41] <NCommander> Now in Poughkeepsie
[15:43:28] <Blackmoore> anyone else rember the WWW fights?
[15:41:32] * NCommander is trying to recongize some of the landmarks
[15:41:26] <NCommander> Making a stop now
[15:41:01] <NCommander> Or international regs disallow wifi for cars that will cross the border
[15:40:50] <NCommander> Probably old rolling stock that predates the upgrade
[15:40:32] <prospectacle> that is weird. Can't be giving free wifi to foreigners I guess. Unamerican
[15:40:08] <NCommander> (I prefer having tabes)
[15:40:05] <NCommander> No wifi in the international section, but its fine in the cafe car (which is where I am
[15:39:54] <NCommander> prospectacle, its a bit odd. the train is sections into cross-border traffic and local NYS traffic
[15:39:16] <prospectacle> wifi is pretty good. i'm lucky to get 3g on many parts of a train ride
[15:38:47] <NCommander> Its not the crapaticular mess it was on the NE Regional
[15:38:38] <NCommander> huh, I guess the wifi has plenty of bandwith
[15:38:37] <prospectacle> I don't know how much I'd used it myself. it depends what was on it. But the trend is clearly headed that way.
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[15:37:53] <prospectacle> well I say the more the merrier
[15:37:39] <NCommander> prospectacle, is that a good or bad thing? :-)
[15:37:14] <prospectacle> probably it won't be long before SN has some kind of file-sharing network, at the rate things are going
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[15:36:32] * NCommander fires up rsync and mulls that setting up a UUCP network may not be a bad idea for large file exchanges
[15:35:19] <NCommander> FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
[15:35:18] <NCommander> Amtrak wifi vs. the SN database
[15:35:11] <NCommander> hrm
[15:35:06] <NCommander> -rw-r--r-- 1 mcasadevall sysops 99M Apr 3 18:46 soylentnews.sql.xz
[15:35:05] <NCommander> mcasadevall@lithium:~$ ls -lah soylentnews.sql.xz
[15:34:49] <NCommander> prospectacle, you are likely going to get eaten by a grue
[15:34:05] * prospectacle is playing zork and is in the kitchen. i'm gonna drink the water but i reckon it's a mistake
[15:32:56] <prospectacle> lol there sure are a lot of editorial departments. It's almost as if they make them up as they go along
[15:32:07] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - First Exo-Moon Discovered? - http://sylnt.us - XOXOXO
[15:31:17] <NCommander> The middle of the US is a whole lot of empty that I've seen before :-)
[15:31:09] <NCommander> prospectacle, I'll probably sleep on the train
[15:30:37] <prospectacle> I only ask because I want to do a cross country train trip one day and can't decide which is better. Maybe half and half
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[15:28:31] <prospectacle> Sounds pretty sweet. Will you sleep on the train or stop at lots of towns on the way?
[15:28:29] * NCommander is suffering from a bad case of the munchies :-/
[15:27:59] <Blackmoore> @NC yes, it could be - i've worked much worse before
[15:27:58] <NCommander> In May, I'll be taking the Lake Shore Limited and the Empire Builder clear across the country. New York -> Seattle. Approximately 6000 km
[15:27:02] <NCommander> prospectacle, paid work.
[15:25:45] <prospectacle> Are you also doing paid work or is this a holiday?
[15:25:27] <prospectacle> NCommander, you are almost literally living my dream right now. Working from a train, travelling wherever you want.
[15:24:29] * NCommander is watching the river and the sun is coming out
[15:24:21] <NCommander> This is paradise
[15:23:26] <NCommander> Blackmoore, it could be worse
[15:23:23] <NCommander> Blackmoore, bash.org/?127039 and http://bash.org
[15:23:14] <prospectacle> If you have ideas already then disregard
[15:23:08] <prospectacle> NCommander, if you were mulling how to do something useful, and don't have any ideas.
[15:22:51] * NCommander is currently trying to refresh his dev environment on 127.0.0.1
[15:22:43] <prospectacle> TK, well I've made peace with that
[15:22:41] <NCommander> prospectacle, ?
[15:22:35] <TK> prospectacle: followed by the stress of realizing you aren't as important as you thought you were?
[15:22:34] <prospectacle> One where it mentions the queue, and one where it mentions submit
[15:22:32] <Blackmoore> True. and frankly the benifits are nice
[15:22:25] <prospectacle> NCommander, if you're looking for ideas I can tell you how to get high bang for your buck (if this hasn't been done already) is add two links to the nagger
[15:22:06] <NCommander> Blackmoore, better than working for GTE Visa
[15:21:51] <Blackmoore> yeah. i'm the bastard people blame when the order goes wrong
[15:21:45] <NCommander> Blackmoore, fun.
[15:21:18] <Blackmoore> I'm at Ingram. I'm in Distribution
[15:20:52] <prospectacle> I like that graph which shows stress levels over time, and it starts out "just go back from holiday and opened up emails", then "realise 90% is spam, forwards, and useless group CCs"
[15:20:48] <NCommander> Blackmoore, where do you work?
[15:20:36] <Blackmoore> from the look at my mailbox youd think i hadnt been here all week
[15:20:15] <NCommander> Blackmoore, heartbleed?
[15:19:55] <prospectacle> lol
[15:19:46] <Blackmoore> another day another (oh crap where the hell did all this work come from)
[15:19:32] * NCommander is mulling on how to do something useful today
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[15:19:12] <NCommander> prospectacle, possibly. I need to enroll in NEXUS if I start maing regular trips in Canada
[15:18:55] <prospectacle> Hi Blackmoore, how's it going?
[15:17:15] <prospectacle> They always let him in, but he gets a hard time. So maybe you've got a doppleganger out there making trouble.
[15:16:33] <prospectacle> I know a guy who always gets picked on when enterting the states. I think his name must be the same as someone on some list
[15:16:12] <NCommander> But last time I went to Canada from Maine, I spent two hours on the frontier
[15:16:05] <prospectacle> do they spit on the ground and say "You're a long way from home ain't ya?"
[15:15:59] <NCommander> I never had problems on the west coast
[15:15:55] <NCommander> I have no idea
[15:15:55] <Blackmoore> mornin
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[15:15:45] <prospectacle> Do they not like your kind round there?
[15:15:41] <NCommander> I'm usually fine if I fly
[15:15:22] * NCommander has gotten grief from Canadian Immigration every time I go, but I've never been denied entry (yet)
[15:15:17] <prospectacle> I hear it's a bit like australia but they added a bunch of snow
[15:15:06] <NCommander> That's the plan
[15:15:00] <prospectacle> Cool are you heading to canadia?
[15:14:45] <NCommander> US/Canada traffic
[15:14:35] <prospectacle> What's a transboarder?
[15:14:33] <prospectacle> Nice
[15:14:21] * NCommander is on one of the last transboarder trains in the United States
[15:13:59] <NCommander> prospectacle, the Husdon River
[15:13:53] <prospectacle> What's out your window at the moment?
[15:13:36] <prospectacle> You forget how big the world is until you step out into it again
[15:13:24] <crutchy> "mooooooooooooorning"
[15:13:18] <prospectacle> Yeah I know what you mean
[15:13:08] <NCommander> I never feel more alive then when I'm travelling
[15:13:01] <crutchy> "morning"... nice n woody sounding
[15:12:56] * NCommander writing from Amtrak
[15:12:51] <prospectacle> hi ncommander
[15:12:43] <NCommander> Morning world
[15:12:28] <crutchy> "dead is shea... what a blow for har"
[15:10:43] <crutchy> lol
[15:10:28] <prospectacle> gooorn
[15:09:29] <prospectacle> Yeah often I just don't feel like it. Lately I've been forcing myself to do one thing each day, but usually only a small thing.
[15:08:34] <crutchy> i've been pretty lazy lately
[15:08:17] <crutchy> lol
[15:08:13] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[15:08:07] <prospectacle> how goes the php crutchy?
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[15:07:10] <prospectacle> catch you later bluze man
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[15:06:57] <crutchy> cya mrbluze
[15:06:51] <crutchy> lmao! "this is his gourd"... shit i haven't seen this movie for ages... which is kinda dumb cos i have it on dvd :-P
[15:06:37] <MrBluze> gnite
[15:05:08] <crutchy> "he's making it up as he goes along"
[15:05:04] <prospectacle> ok have a good one mrbluze
[15:04:56] <MrBluze> i better get to bed
[15:04:50] <prospectacle> http://www.youtube.com
[15:04:41] <prospectacle> crutchy, I love that movie. I always laugh at this bit....
[15:04:40] <MrBluze> yeah .. u'd be lucky to find a workplace as good as this in many places
[15:04:24] <prospectacle> mrbluze, true, we'd better keep it a secret for as long as possible so the others don't find out
[15:04:16] <MrBluze> to the point i dont feel like walking off on it any time soon
[15:03:59] <MrBluze> actually to be honest.. this is one project where the vast majority of people working on it are sensible and well meaning
[15:03:36] <MrBluze> right
[15:03:30] <prospectacle> mrbluze, first it's not-for-profit, second it's open sourced, third, well, we'll see how the voting turns out...
[15:03:24] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[15:03:22] <MrBluze> prospectacle: agreed .. if we have the right format .. of achievable financial membership and therefore voting rights on the financial and strategic direction, we get something better
[15:02:54] <prospectacle> mrbluze, yes this project, is different in many ways
[15:02:43] <crutchy> i'm reminded of a famous scene
[15:02:40] <MrBluze> soapboxes can be slippery
[15:02:33] <prospectacle> crutchy, well I was saying multinationals are evil based on their structure, which can change, and not just based on general human nature that exists everywhere.
[15:02:31] <MrBluze> i think we're kind of disagreeing but uh... agreeing about soemthing
[15:02:27] <crutchy> or i was just falling off my soapbox or something
[15:02:16] <MrBluze> i disagree with that, crutchy
[15:02:01] <crutchy> i think we're kind of agreeing but trying to find something to disagree about :-P
[15:01:49] <MrBluze> not someone's business idea from silicon valley
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[15:01:31] <crutchy> :-P
[15:01:29] <crutchy> sorry i lost the plot
[15:01:28] <MrBluze> however this project differs from google, facebook etc, as it is a community project from the start
[15:01:24] <crutchy> what are we debating again?
[15:01:19] <prospectacle> the model determines how decisions get made, and that determines what kinds of decisions get made
[15:01:02] <MrBluze> church was the first multinational
[15:00:42] <prospectacle> yes, they are, but that doesn't mean the model makes no difference. The model determines which parts of human nature are encouraged and discouraged, which parts can flourish and which parts are supressed.
[15:00:35] <crutchy> yet it's one of the biggest multinationals of all
[15:00:16] <crutchy> the church is supposed to be a charity
[14:59:56] <crutchy> no matter the organisational model... they are all underpinned by the same basic human realities
[14:59:43] <prospectacle> the church doesn't give a vote to its parishoners, for example, anymore than a multinational gives a vote to its employees
[14:59:33] <crutchy> every man for himself
[14:59:25] <crutchy> nice guys finish last
[14:59:18] <prospectacle> well it's not just about profit or not profit, it's about who has what power within the system. Who gets to elect the leaders, and how, for example.
[14:59:14] <crutchy> survival of the fittest
[14:58:58] <crutchy> but failure is in our nature too
[14:58:51] <crutchy> we can try
[14:58:43] <prospectacle> well human nature we're stuck with, but organisational nature we can change because we create organisations to our own designs.
[14:58:36] <crutchy> look at the church
[14:58:29] <crutchy> i like not-for-profits, but even they can be corrupted
[14:58:11] <crutchy> there are... and i believe they are better, but human nature is dangerous and the risk of it infecting anything good is high
[14:58:06] <prospectacle> crutchy, yes the east india companies are good examples of how multinationals enhances and encourage our worst tendencies
[14:57:40] <prospectacle> crutchy, there are different ways to organise a group. It's not "corporation by another name or corporation by the name corporation" there are other options
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[14:57:25] <crutchy> shot people with their private army
[14:57:19] <crutchy> they traded slaves
[14:57:10] <crutchy> look at the east india company
[14:57:02] <crutchy> corporations are just groups of people fulfilling a need... if they weren't called corporations they would be still basically the same
[14:56:55] <prospectacle> crutchy, therefore if there's a problem, you address the thing that can be changed.
[14:56:44] <prospectacle> crutchy, you can't take people out the corporate structure, and you can't really modify human nature, but you can modify the corporate structure.
[14:56:11] <prospectacle> crutchy, humanity has evil tendencies and good ones as well. The structure of a multinational magnifies the evil ones
[14:56:01] <crutchy> it's not corporate nature that is evil... if you took humans out of corporations, you would take evil out too
[14:55:41] <prospectacle> they provide some cool products, no doubt
[14:55:37] <crutchy> humanity is evil by nature
[14:55:27] <deadbeef> karma - prospectacle: 3
[14:55:27] <Subsentient> prospectacle++
[14:55:20] <Subsentient> crutchy: Google is also researching stuff that I find frightening.
[14:55:14] <prospectacle> multinationals are evil by nature, they can't help it
[14:55:11] <crutchy> giving cosumers exactly what they want
[14:55:08] <prospectacle> exactly
[14:54:58] <crutchy> google is just another multinational
[14:54:56] <deadbeef> karma - prospectacle: 2
[14:54:56] <Subsentient> prospectacle++
[14:54:43] <prospectacle> which is especially ironic becuase everyone knows google is evil
[14:54:30] <prospectacle> oops I meant to say "Google", not "good'
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[14:54:27] <crutchy> when i'm old and smelly i can brag about it :-D
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[14:53:58] <crutchy> 3 digit one too :-)
[14:53:51] <prospectacle> yeah those odds are pretty long
[14:53:39] <crutchy> :-P
[14:53:37] <crutchy> dumn luck
[14:53:28] <prospectacle> crutchy how on earth did you manage that?
[14:53:17] <crutchy> i'm kinda chuffed to have the same uid on soylent as i do on pipedot
[14:53:05] <prospectacle> having look at the history of things like good, wikipedia, facebook etc, it seems like they often take years before they blow up. I get the feeling this place is moving much faster, but we'll see
[14:53:04] <MrBluze> stay the course
[14:53:00] <crutchy> oh cool :-)
[14:52:45] <MrBluze> absolutely freakin awesome
[14:52:42] <MrBluze> prospectacle: agreed.. and it will be freakin awesome in years to come
[14:52:29] <crutchy> but never got into it
[14:52:25] <crutchy> and had a look at ircsearch
[14:52:25] <prospectacle> mrbluze, I reckon this project gets more development time/ideas/attention than most commercial sites.
[14:52:17] <crutchy> i installed xchat not long after i started playing with debian
[14:52:09] <MrBluze> one of my kids got the 4000 uid ;)
[14:52:04] <crutchy> soylent is probably the only time i've really used irc for more than a few days
[14:51:54] <MrBluze> so we always have something common to talk about
[14:51:52] <prospectacle> having a four-or-less digit uid will be a mark of prestige in the years to come
[14:51:48] <MrBluze> thing about this project is the website drives the conversation
[14:51:34] <MrBluze> lol yes
[14:51:23] <crutchy> ...without screaming :-P
[14:51:20] <prospectacle> well soylent is the future (Except by another name probably)
[14:51:19] <crutchy> haha like a tempered version of a monty python sketch
[14:51:16] <MrBluze> ... this project has something
[14:51:06] <Subsentient> For the last few weeks it's been pretty silent.
[14:50:51] <Subsentient> You know, the irony is that Freenode for me is pretty dead right now. My channels are silent etc. I get much more meaningful conversation on the Soylent server.
[14:50:38] <MrBluze> but its damn good
[14:50:35] <MrBluze> probably
[14:50:24] <prospectacle> big train looks like it's got the people from spaced. Is this how they got started?
[14:50:08] <Subsentient> crutchy: You ever on freenode?
[14:49:58] <crutchy> i'm a little dry apparently
[14:49:41] <crutchy> lool
[14:49:40] <MrBluze> u have to see that one crutchy
[14:49:35] <Subsentient> You have that crusty yet derpy sense of humor.
[14:49:21] <Subsentient> crutchy: You remind me of a more friendly version of someone I know.
[14:49:19] <MrBluze> https://www.youtube.com
[14:49:02] <crutchy> and i don't cook :-P
[14:48:58] <crutchy> spatulas are for cooking with
[14:48:48] <MrBluze> i have a spoon phobia
[14:48:45] <Subsentient> crutchy: Then what of spatulas?
[14:48:34] <crutchy> forks are overrated. i prefer spoons
[14:48:21] <prospectacle> I mean I would have thought more options would be better to a degree
[14:48:19] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Yeah.
[14:48:15] <crutchy> he fucking pwns everyone who tries to debate him
[14:48:13] <Subsentient> I was into the hilarious cheats, like flying trucks and oil derricks built in the sky.
[14:48:07] <prospectacle> subsentient, why are they angry over a fork? did you steal some players from their fork?
[14:47:55] <crutchy> been youtubing peter schiff :-)
[14:47:34] <prospectacle> hi crutchy
[14:47:23] <crutchy> g'day prospectacle
[14:47:07] <Subsentient> I used to be, for my fork. I'm not much liked in the Warzone community, mostly because there's some anger over my fork, and because when I started back in 2010, I was a cheater. It was short lived, but the effect lasted.
[14:47:04] <prospectacle> are you rich and famous as a result? I've never maintained an OS project so i'm just speculating.
[14:46:25] <prospectacle> cool so you're a maintainer?
[14:46:07] <Subsentient> which is where we are now in official
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[14:46:00] <Subsentient> it started to improve around 3.1.1
[14:45:55] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Yeah. I forked Warzone 2100 because the 3.1 release was pretty HORRIFIC for a long time
[14:45:00] <prospectacle> Hooray for open source
[14:44:57] <prospectacle> Original hasn't been updated since 2004 but new one has been updated this year.
[14:44:48] <prospectacle> megaglest
[14:44:44] <prospectacle> I just discovered there's an active fork of it.
[14:42:27] <prospectacle> It's pretty fun, I l ike clearing forests and building towns and then you have to defend against some foregin soldier who turns up. Then you have to go looking of where they came from and try to kill them while developing your city as well
[14:42:15] <Subsentient> ah
[14:41:35] <prospectacle> Seems to be. I don't think it's been updated in a while, but I used to play it all the time and don't remember crashing problems.
[14:40:54] <Subsentient> Is it stable?
[14:40:43] <Subsentient> prospectacle: hmm
[14:40:32] <prospectacle> If you haven't tried glest I can highly recommend it. It's less of the military technology kind and more of the build-and-advance-a-society kind (but also with technology of sorts)
[14:40:17] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I used to maintain a fork, but just recently I dropped it.
[14:40:01] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Alright then. :^)
[14:39:52] <prospectacle> another time then, I'm gonna try out this adventure game I'm downloading.
[14:39:44] <Subsentient> There is no end until someone quits or dies.
[14:39:17] <Subsentient> But usually around 30 mins
[14:39:08] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Anywhere from 5 mins to 3 hours when you quit from a stalemate.
[14:38:47] <prospectacle> i mean to complete a game
[14:38:39] * Subsentient is pretty good at warzone, thankfully
[14:38:24] <Subsentient> To be as good as me? Year or so.
[14:38:17] <Subsentient> prospectacle: To start having fun? Few mins.
[14:38:05] <prospectacle> how long does it take?
[14:37:58] <prospectacle> you mean warzone?
[14:36:14] <Subsentient> prospectacle: It's alright if you'd rather not.
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[14:34:24] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Tell you what, I am half-dead and useless tonight, so I can play if you want. Care to learn?
[14:34:07] <Subsentient> prospectacle: No, I haven't/
[14:32:59] <prospectacle> looks pretty cool. Have you played glest? I used to play that one all the time
[14:31:28] <prospectacle> haven't heard of that one, let me go over here for a minute and learn about it...
[14:31:10] <prospectacle> Maybe if there were multiple endings, then it would work better.
[14:31:09] <Subsentient> My favorite of all time is Warzone 2100.
[14:30:57] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I love RTS games.
[14:30:43] <Subsentient> I'm not sure why.
[14:30:41] <prospectacle> I often wonder how to fix the key problem of adventure games. If you ever played adventure games you know what I mean.
[14:30:40] <Subsentient> prospectacle: I have a habit of doing that
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[14:30:06] <prospectacle> that's ok, at least it means someone is alive in here
[14:28:39] * Subsentient doesn't know why he had to say anything at all
[14:28:19] <Subsentient> prospectacle: no.
[14:27:32] <prospectacle> They make indie retro games, I'm thinking of playing "A tale of two kingdoms", and wondering if anyone has tried it
[14:27:14] <prospectacle> has anyone played any games by "crystal shard"?
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[14:13:21] <Konomi> pidgin isn't even doing that for these crashes
[14:13:15] <Konomi> yeah but at least it's a message
[14:13:09] <MrBluze> everything segfaults
[14:13:05] <MrBluze> yep, but segfaults are useless help to fix a problem
[14:12:51] <Konomi> but if you dmesg -T you'll generally find a segfault message
[14:12:43] <Konomi> everyone other one will crash and sure it looks invisible
[14:12:36] <Konomi> it's the only one so far
[14:12:25] <Konomi> it did it in windows too a few times for me
[14:12:20] <Konomi> it's not in pidgins case
[14:11:39] <MrBluze> so many linux programs i've had just did stuff like that
[14:11:30] <MrBluze> thats a very linux thing
[14:11:25] <MrBluze> oh.. interesting
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[14:11:08] <Konomi> hoping
[14:11:06] <Konomi> I'm hoping it's fixed
[14:10:53] <Konomi> MrBluze: um not much I just redid my whole pidgin profile directory cause pidgin would mysteriously crash with no segfault message etc just vanishes
[14:10:23] <Konomi> so want that
[14:00:58] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - New US Navy Railgun Unleashes Shells at Mach 7 - http://sylnt.us - Gauss-him?-I-just-met-him!
[13:52:50] <MrBluze> what u been up to?
[13:52:39] <Konomi> MrBluze: I have no idea what that means ;p
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[13:41:55] <prospectacle> good afternoon
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[13:39:09] <MrBluze> wachoo binnuptoo konomi
[13:38:33] <MrBluze> exactly
[13:38:28] <MrBluze> lol yeah
[13:36:53] <crutchy> and we care about these poor bastards that are getting their homes blown in... we're going to give all the money we make from flogging this story and selling overpriced advertising to these poor folks.... NOT!!!!
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[13:35:40] <MrBluze> but we're so brave, we brought our cheapie microphone and all
[13:35:33] <crutchy> we're being inundated by moving grass right now
[13:35:26] <MrBluze> and when i stand too close to the waves.. water splashes onto me
[13:35:20] <crutchy> THE GRASS IS MOVING!!!!!!!
[13:35:09] <MrBluze> .. and look at that grass.. omg it's moving
[13:34:52] <crutchy> "omg! it's so windy right now i've had to run for cover in case i get inundated with air!" you can see the trees are swaing from side to side... they are surely about to snap in half and fly into a building... we'll be sure ot keep you posted when they do!!!"
[13:34:36] <MrBluze> oooh its gonna be sooo bad.. tune in after these ADVERTISEMENTS for more meaningless suspense
[13:34:21] <MrBluze> salivating at other people's potential suffering
[13:34:12] <MrBluze> yeah
[13:33:48] <crutchy> while they're waiting for the damage
[13:33:39] <crutchy> i love it how the news people always try to make it more dramatic than it really is
[13:33:17] <crutchy> ooh yeah i was listening to news on the cyclone
[13:33:10] <MrBluze> and cyclone fences
[13:32:56] <crutchy> we're now moving onto aeroplane jelly :-D
[13:32:54] <MrBluze> i wonder how the internets are going up in cyclone zone
[13:32:29] <MrBluze> we been talkin ssl and aeroplanes
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[13:31:54] * crutchy offers konomi a beer
[13:31:40] <crutchy> come to hang with the blokes eh
[13:31:21] <MrBluze> hi konomi
[13:31:15] <crutchy> hi konomi :-)
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[13:30:53] <MrBluze> lol
[13:30:36] <crutchy> unless it had "slashcode" in the subject... in which case i don't give a rats :-P
[13:29:40] <MrBluze> okay, just making sure
[13:29:19] <crutchy> i ticked the something_to_vote checkbox
[13:28:57] <crutchy> no email about voting
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[13:20:30] <MrBluze> http://www.vocativ.com
[13:20:08] <MrBluze> lol
[13:15:47] <crutchy> oh wow that got rid of 397 messages out of my inbox
[13:15:29] <crutchy> moving all messages containing "slashcode" in subject into folder
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[13:11:28] <crutchy> need to figure out how to run it
[13:11:26] <MrBluze> so u can't get more than 120 bits
[13:11:22] <crutchy> i figured out how to create a rule
[13:11:20] <MrBluze> password length limit 16 chars
[13:11:06] <MrBluze> hotmail? yeah it's disgusting
[13:09:48] <MrBluze> it'd be due about nowish
[13:09:47] <crutchy> wtf it's been windows 8'erized
[13:09:39] <MrBluze> ok, just making sure
[13:08:46] * crutchy doesn't check his hotmail much
[13:08:36] <crutchy> holy carp 439 new
[13:08:32] <Subsentient> MrBluze: No.
[13:08:01] <crutchy> checking
[13:07:26] <MrBluze> hmm.. has anyone received an email asking them to vote yet?
[13:07:02] <crutchy> lol yeah comes with the territory i guess
[13:06:52] <MrBluze> yeah .. a lot of accidents ;)
[13:06:35] <crutchy> a lot of innovation
[13:06:30] <crutchy> homebuilts are awesome
[13:06:23] <MrBluze> built it at one end of australia then flew it home
[13:06:12] <MrBluze> i think so
[13:05:48] <crutchy> i think that's where most homebuilts go
[13:05:29] <SedBot> <crutchy> experimental category?
[13:05:29] <crutchy> s/>/?/
[13:05:22] <crutchy> experimental category>
[13:05:16] <crutchy> cool
[13:05:08] <MrBluze> mate of mine built his own plane
[13:02:22] <crutchy> i was lucky i didn't get too involved with the bickering though :-)
[13:01:33] <crutchy> and you bicker with the authorities
[13:01:03] <crutchy> airworthiness gets really fucked up when you're modifying planes cos older planes are certified to earlier amendments and it gets tricky trying to work out what is required of the modification. in australia we generally had to bring everyhting affected up to current amendment, but in the states it is different
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[13:00:46] * MrBluze has a stock of razor blades for those who want one instead of an HB pencil
[13:00:26] <MrBluze> ;)
[13:00:24] <MrBluze> imagine that document and they can take any dot point on it and ask you to write 10 minutes on the topic
[12:59:44] <crutchy> that's no good
[12:59:40] <crutchy> lol
[12:59:34] <MrBluze> they go on and on and on, and if u are studying for them, it makes u want to go and commit suicide
[12:59:19] <crutchy> i used to have a printout, but it was handy to be able to search
[12:59:18] <MrBluze> yeah a bit like our training syllabuses
[12:59:00] <crutchy> it's a pain to look at in one big chunk
[12:58:43] <MrBluze> oh.. lol nice
[12:58:38] <crutchy> well, it's cousin (FAR 23)
[12:58:30] <crutchy> i wrote a program to parse it :-P
[12:58:15] <crutchy> on the radio today they were blathering on about how there was a signal
[12:58:08] <MrBluze> that's a big document crutchy
[12:57:50] <crutchy> in australia we have CASR part 25, but it basically just encompasses US FAR 25
[12:57:48] <MrBluze> so it won't be found
[12:57:38] <MrBluze> what is most suspicious about the malaysian plane was it was crashed into the deepest part of the ocean right near the roaring 40's
[12:57:27] <crutchy> FAR 25 is what airliners are certified to
[12:56:53] <MrBluze> hmm.. interesting
[12:56:11] <crutchy> don't have a lot of experience with FAR 25 directly, but there is a lot in common with FAR 23 - my former bible :-P
[12:55:15] <crutchy> http://www.ecfr.gov
[12:53:23] <MrBluze> http://sammyboy.com
[12:52:43] <MrBluze> it was a theory for the 9-11 event, some suggested that those aircraft were remotely flown into their targets, given the tight corners the planes flew
[12:51:28] <MrBluze> hmm.. i will try to find a reference
[12:50:37] <crutchy> but then i guess governments can do whatever they want
[12:50:14] <crutchy> actually i don't think that would comply with FAR 25
[12:49:48] <crutchy> that's a worry
[12:49:28] <MrBluze> i read earlier that most/all boeing aircraft have a remote override (complete) for hijack situations to land the plane safely
[12:45:37] <crutchy> wow ok it does already: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com
[12:45:02] <crutchy> i think australia is using it (or will use it)
[12:44:35] <crutchy> scary stuff
[12:44:15] <crutchy> but ads-b was something to do with it
[12:44:04] <crutchy> i don't think it was the exact lecture i watched
[12:43:49] <crutchy> mrbluze: https://www.youtube.com
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[12:42:38] <MrBluze> http://www.concise-courses.com
[12:42:14] <Subsentient> crutchy: Indeed. My servers are as follows: http://universe2.us
[12:40:57] <Subsentient> so it often turns up nothing
[12:40:49] <Subsentient> that command on aqu4 is not capable of more than a small subset of ddg results
[12:40:35] <Subsentient> crutchy: But yeah, I searched
[12:40:29] <crutchy> here you go: http://www.pcworld.com
[12:40:17] <Subsentient> crutchy: Google can suck it. DuckDuckGo FTW!!!
[12:39:55] <crutchy> lol google dude
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[12:39:44] <crutchy> has a whole 12mbps down/1mbps up
[12:39:32] <aqu4> No results found.
[12:39:32] <Subsentient> $ddg dell vostro 200
[12:39:18] <crutchy> packs a real punch lol
[12:39:05] <crutchy> it's totally fooly sick server too... running on a dell vostro 200 :-P
[12:38:40] <crutchy> it's something to do with fudging radar or something
[12:38:30] <Subsentient> crutchy: You are awesome for being a physical server guy
[12:38:23] <crutchy> i'll see if i can find it
[12:38:15] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 46
[12:38:15] <aqu4> crutchy++
[12:38:05] <MrBluze> crutchy: you do need fancy stuff.. u need a way of keeping active radio comms with it
[12:38:03] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 45
[12:38:03] <Subsentient> crutchy++
[12:38:03] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 44
[12:38:03] <Subsentient> crutchy++
[12:38:03] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 43
[12:38:03] <Subsentient> crutchy++
[12:38:01] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 42
[12:38:01] <Subsentient> crutchy++
[12:37:54] <crutchy> it's sitting right beside me
[12:37:49] <crutchy> i only have one
[12:37:42] <crutchy> on youtube somewhere
[12:37:35] <Subsentient> crutchy: Where are your servers? Are they actually yours or?
[12:37:30] <crutchy> actually i saw a lecture by some defcon hacker that showed that you don't need anything fancy to remotely hijack a boeing
[12:36:41] <MrBluze> .. and the sort of stuff u might need to hijack a boeing
[12:36:39] <crutchy> my server is invulnerarable to ssl vulnerabilities :-P
[12:36:20] <MrBluze> looks like just custom crypto's for military
[12:35:48] <MrBluze> like bayless, or jacknife,
[12:35:45] <Subsentient> crutchy: My servers WERE vulnerable, but I patched them.
[12:35:10] <crutchy> some whacky sounding names
[12:35:06] <crutchy> yeah
[12:34:57] <MrBluze> but never used
[12:34:54] <MrBluze> the other ones ive heard of
[12:34:54] <Subsentient> To the apocalypse!
[12:34:49] <MrBluze> yeah
[12:34:48] * aqu4 gives crutchy a cold can of beer
[12:34:47] <Subsentient> $beer crutchy
[12:34:37] <crutchy> they were prolly stolen from russia to begin with :-P
[12:34:23] <crutchy> might just mean that nsa approves/uses them though
[12:32:14] <crutchy> aes and sha
[12:32:06] <crutchy> there's the bits i seen before: http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:31:46] <MrBluze> they should rename it "list of broken crypto"
[12:31:39] <MrBluze> lol
[12:31:12] <crutchy> never heard of most of these
[12:31:03] <crutchy> wow lot of stuff
[12:30:56] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:30:43] <MrBluze> yeah me too
[12:30:13] <crutchy> learn something new everyday :-)
[12:30:11] <MrBluze> 1994
[12:30:03] <crutchy> mkay
[12:29:58] <MrBluze> Netscape invented SSL
[12:29:56] <crutchy> and various other hash algos and crypto shit
[12:29:35] <MrBluze> and to be honest, if it wasn't so broken it would have been very nice of them
[12:29:35] <crutchy> didn't nsa come up with sha?
[12:29:11] <MrBluze> but it came from the US govt
[12:29:07] <MrBluze> not sure about nsa
[12:27:20] <crutchy> two just aint enough
[12:27:11] * crutchy really needs three screens
[12:24:35] <crutchy> didn't most of the ssl-related stuff come out of nsa to begin with?
[12:24:06] <MrBluze> how obvious can it be
[12:24:01] <MrBluze> OpenSSL team has an nsa plant
[12:20:50] <deadbeef> karma - crutchy: 41
[12:20:50] <d33tah> crutchy++
[12:20:43] <deadbeef> karma - d33tah: 9
[12:20:43] <crutchy> d33tah++
[12:20:26] <d33tah> d33tah++
[12:20:09] <deadbeef> karma - deadbeef: -1
[12:20:09] <d33tah> deadbeef--
[12:20:03] <deadbeef> karma - bender: -14
[12:20:03] <d33tah> bender--
[12:00:59] <Konomi> \o/
[12:00:49] * MrBluze upgrades Konomi's status in web services' eyes
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[11:49:52] <crutchy> g'night arti
[11:47:27] * Konomi wishes web services didn't treat her like an idiot
[11:47:17] <Konomi> "Your password changed"
[11:43:07] <Konomi> and the fallout just keeps coming
[11:41:12] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - Theo Slams OpenSSL Team - http://sylnt.us - Tel-us-how-you-really-feel
[11:41:04] * arti salutes
[11:41:02] * arti is goign to catch some Zs
[11:33:39] <crutchy> no ssl
[11:33:25] <crutchy> i only have server... sitting next to me :-)
[11:33:09] <crutchy> i don't have servers
[11:32:35] <Konomi> might change the rest in time as I use them
[11:32:29] <Konomi> I'm changing a few the ones I care about
[11:32:11] <Subsentient> Konomi: Yeah, I am not going to change my passwords, because I have far too many accounts on far too many sites
[11:29:53] * Subsentient 's servers were protected
[11:28:05] * Subsentient clicks it
[11:27:43] <Konomi> god. damn. it.
[11:27:37] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
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[11:11:52] <arti> c'mon, automation is the way of the future
[11:09:27] <crutchy> if only they were real people and not just infected windows boxes
[11:04:01] <arti> vintage trolling
[11:02:54] <crutchy> or a youtube rickroll video :-P
[11:02:27] <crutchy> or i could redirect to a gay pr0n site
[11:02:02] <crutchy> hmm yeah that might be funny
[11:01:48] <arti> maybe setup a dummy then :D
[11:01:44] <crutchy> i reinvent wheels remember :-P
[11:01:34] <crutchy> i don't use phpmyadmin :-)
[11:01:22] <arti> ify ou have phpmyadmin, restrict it to only allow your ip address if its public facing
[11:01:05] <crutchy> phpmyadmin?
[11:01:00] <crutchy> allow what?
[11:00:47] <arti> no, just allow from your ip only
[11:00:36] <crutchy> i could set up so it proxies itself
[11:00:21] <crutchy> lol to let it through?
[10:59:55] <crutchy> 198.58.127.22 must be slash address
[10:58:50] * arti recommends adding that to an ip whitelist
[10:57:57] <crutchy> seems to be a lot of phpmyadmin attempts
[10:56:39] <crutchy> sometimes i tail mysql log when i'm testing but that's about all
[10:56:21] * arti doesn't either
[10:56:04] <crutchy> nah i don't keep a close eye on it
[10:55:45] <crutchy> proxy-pinged :-P
[10:55:22] <crutchy> soylent first pinged me in february
[10:55:09] <arti> using a tail?
[10:54:30] <crutchy> lol 114.243.224.103 just interrupted my search :-P
[10:52:37] * crutchy wonders what other gems are in apache error log
[10:52:23] * arti keeps a textfile for these purposes
[10:51:20] <crutchy> also helps me find my mouse arrow
[10:50:57] <crutchy> i have gnome eyes doing that for me :-P
[10:50:20] <crutchy> bookmark this page
[10:50:13] <arti> do a knock off "lookmark"
[10:50:00] <crutchy> or bookmark or whatever its called in firefox :-P
[10:49:49] <crutchy> *saves favourite*
[10:49:38] <crutchy> shit i'm not reading about factorials after work on a friday :-P
[10:49:22] <arti> yeah i don't really enjoy those
[10:49:17] <crutchy> eck factorials
[10:48:44] <crutchy> mkay
[10:48:41] <arti> ah, okay
[10:48:34] <arti> in some situations you'll use otherwise, but for patterns it's a variable (the a and xs get kinda confusing)
[10:48:27] <crutchy> blah is just the code that executes if the subject falls within that range
[10:48:11] <arti> yeah
[10:48:05] <crutchy> so can you use anything for the catch all variable?
[10:48:00] <arti> ah that's cool so blah is a type with a to z elements?
[10:47:40] <crutchy> 'a'..'z': blah;
[10:47:20] <crutchy> does have some cool range features though
[10:46:48] <crutchy> must be ordinal
[10:46:36] <crutchy> but yeah
[10:46:30] <crutchy> can use chars too
[10:46:13] <arti> oh yeah, numbers only
[10:45:58] <crutchy> enjoy!
[10:45:49] * crutchy really wishes delphi supported case statements with string subjects
[10:45:45] <MrBluze> brb dinner
[10:45:18] <arti> yeah
[10:45:13] <crutchy> well the first bit
[10:45:02] <crutchy> 'ish
[10:44:58] <crutchy> so it's kinda like switch
[10:43:13] <arti> especially when you get to the "where" stuff
[10:43:00] <arti> the BMI stuff is cool
[10:42:50] <arti> http://learnyouahaskell.com
[10:42:40] <crutchy> mkay
[10:42:15] <arti> sorta like conditional statements but much cleaner
[10:42:02] <arti> yeah, the guards are sweet too
[10:41:45] <crutchy> that's pretty cool
[10:41:03] <arti> take a list, poke it into a tuple pattern, then add those
[10:41:02] <crutchy> kinda perlish
[10:40:49] <arti> the right to left reading of that is that's throwing me off
[10:40:25] <arti> [4,7,6,8,11,4]
[10:40:25] <arti> would return:
[10:40:18] <arti> [a+b | (a,b) <- xs]
[10:40:12] <arti> let xs = [(1,3), (4,3), (2,4), (5,3), (5,6), (3,1)]
[10:40:11] <arti> so
[10:40:03] <arti> [a+b | (a,b) <- xs]
[10:40:03] <arti> this is tripping me out
[10:37:38] <crutchy> have to use company pads for other stuff
[10:37:28] <crutchy> we use blue pads for scribbles
[10:36:52] <arti> usually use yellow pads or blank sheets
[10:36:42] * arti feels bad about burning through paper like that
[10:36:26] <crutchy> i've wiki-ized some todo things but i love sticky notes :-)
[10:35:45] <crutchy> a pocket for each app
[10:35:21] <crutchy> i have a bunch of yellow project pockets full of sticky notes :-P
[10:35:04] <crutchy> it says way more than that... "BAH"
[10:34:36] * arti imagines a yellow pad with a giant cloud like circle that says "DO"
[10:34:12] <arti> too much coding otherwise
[10:34:11] <crutchy> today over my lunch brake i was writing some notes in building in a template system into my wiki
[10:33:43] <crutchy> cool
[10:33:34] <arti> once this last push happens with work i'll be interested in doing more
[10:33:16] * arti has slowed down on the payment stuff
[10:32:59] <crutchy> whenever i'm at work i get excited about programming, and then when i get home i just can't be fucked
[10:32:54] <arti> yeah, want to get into making cool stuff. gotta crawl before i can jump
[10:32:23] <crutchy> you getting right into that eh
[10:32:07] <arti> man, pattern matching in haskell is sweet
[10:31:49] <crutchy> definitely
[10:31:47] <crutchy> lol
[10:31:45] <crutchy> yes
[10:31:32] <arti> also known as a WIFE code
[10:31:17] <crutchy> :-P
[10:31:14] <crutchy> returned a 403
[10:30:48] <crutchy> yeah it was yesterday
[10:30:31] <crutchy> 10 april 09:05:25 gmt
[10:30:15] <MrBluze> yeah NCommander found that one a few days ago and removed the code that did port scans
[10:29:52] <crutchy> may have been before
[10:29:48] <crutchy> checks again
[10:29:33] <crutchy> but i was looking at the stats page and saw ncommander's last
[10:29:29] <MrBluze> i thought they disabled that already
[10:29:18] <crutchy> last night
[10:29:11] <chromas> Just now?
[10:29:00] <crutchy> i think its funny
[10:28:13] <crutchy> on soylentnews.org
[10:28:07] <crutchy> looking for ok.txt
[10:27:57] <crutchy> my webserver got proxy scanned by slash
[10:26:57] <crutchy> yeah.. creepy
[10:26:17] <arti> "OMG ITS A BODY!"
[10:26:17] * crutchy googles :-P
[10:26:11] <arti> imagine the trash guy
[10:26:03] <arti> the most amusing thought i have about them would be the disposal
[10:25:50] <arti> realdolls are creepy as heck
[10:25:18] <crutchy> but programmable ones would be popular i think
[10:24:24] <crutchy> i think they're called blow up dolls
[10:23:51] <arti> that just curse you out?
[10:23:35] <MrBluze> sell fu-bots
[10:23:34] <MrBluze> hmm .. interesting business idea
[10:22:46] <crutchy> or it's wrecked me
[10:22:37] <crutchy> i've already wrecked #test :-P
[10:22:16] <arti> your bot-fu is weak
[10:22:15] <crutchy> surprised not already set
[10:21:56] <crutchy> arti: i had to google that
[10:21:20] <SirFinkus> brb, bacon egg and cheese bagel time
[10:20:19] * arti sets mode +f
[10:20:13] <MrBluze> yeah .. depends who 'awards' it
[10:20:05] <SirFinkus> which could mean all sorts of things
[10:20:01] <MrBluze> nice
[10:19:47] <arti> heh
[10:19:41] <SirFinkus> no joke, my mom got an award for "friendliest girl" in high school
[10:19:35] <MrBluze> kids?
[10:19:23] <crutchy> fuck i just got slapped in the face with a big blue shield
[10:19:18] <SirFinkus> well, 1 + 1 = 2, which is double
[10:19:13] <MrBluze> another one is "days attended in a row award"
[10:18:43] <MrBluze> most improved .. when ppl get that usually means tey were going pretty shit to start with .. but still
[10:18:43] <crutchy> "crutchy showed up class.... isn't he a good boy"
[10:18:40] <SirFinkus> so backhanded
[10:18:22] <SirFinkus> dude, I got a certificate for "most improved" or some shit in grade school
[10:18:02] <crutchy> at least you have an excuse. i'm a moron 24/7 :-P
[10:17:53] <MrBluze> "crutchy is a bright but quiet boy who is always courteous to the teachers.."
[10:17:37] <SirFinkus> err, keys, sorry, been drinking
[10:17:09] <crutchy> i can use my grade 3 graduation certificate
[10:16:20] <MrBluze> we have kerberos now for sn related stuff
[10:15:56] <SirFinkus> I wish I could log into site with certificates
[10:15:46] <SirFinkus> oh, ok
[10:15:41] <MrBluze> SirFinkus: 4 months, 10 days
[10:15:24] <MrBluze> hotmail limits passwords to 16 chars.. how lame is that .. thanks nsa
[10:15:12] <SirFinkus> wonder how long the NSA has been sitting on the heartbleed bug
[10:14:33] <MrBluze> or the equivalent task is taking a selfie while being governed
[10:14:31] <crutchy> no spanks
[10:14:25] <crutchy> ew politicians up my arse
[10:14:14] <MrBluze> spring street is better
[10:14:10] <MrBluze> bourke street mall isn't good enough crutchy
[10:14:00] <crutchy> mrbluze: i don't believe you. i need to test your hypothesis
[10:13:50] <MrBluze> nograb
[10:13:32] <chromas> I already changed my DNA to evade the police
[10:13:27] <MrBluze> cause it's like being photographed whilst being gang-raped in the city square by unidentified people with clown masks
[10:12:46] <MrBluze> but what matters is reissue of certs and .. change your identity eg: address, name, credit card number, facial appearance
[10:12:45] <crutchy> but it's good to add a character to give the algorithm some exercise :-)
[10:12:44] <arti> SirFinkus: just depends on the woman
[10:12:24] <MrBluze> no, it doesn't
[10:12:15] <SirFinkus> I mean, based on how I was reading it, password length doesn't really matter
[10:12:07] <arti> or all 1990s "sex" "god"
[10:12:00] <SirFinkus> well, aren't they already pwned if they don't patch the bug?
[10:11:53] <stdhell> A keyring where the master password is "password"...
[10:11:46] <arti> "thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog"
[10:11:45] <crutchy> i prefer to fill mine up with enthalpy
[10:11:30] <MrBluze> and impossible to remember if i dont have the keyring with me
[10:11:15] <MrBluze> since the openssl problem, all my passwords are now more than 100 characters long, properly randomized and more than 600 bits of entropy
[10:10:52] <crutchy> there's a lot of sentences in there. all appropriately terminated of course :-)
[10:10:37] <arti> http://antiartificial.com
[10:10:26] <SirFinkus> Complete sentences are for losers.
[10:10:26] <stdhell> arti: 363 "...................................................................................................................................................................." right back at ya!
[10:10:24] <crutchy> hahaha that's an awesome sentences :-)
[10:10:09] <MrBluze> Incomplete sentence writers on #Soylen
[10:09:57] <arti> stderr 363 "...................................................................................................................................................................."
[10:09:49] <crutchy> -1 who farted?
[10:09:47] <arti> Incomplete sentence writers on #Soylent
[10:09:43] <arti> lol the stats
[10:08:52] <SirFinkus> the stupes, that's who
[10:08:49] <MrBluze> -1 lame
[10:08:45] <MrBluze> what about -lame
[10:05:42] * crutchy doesn't... guess who would get them :-P
[10:05:30] <crutchy> lol
[10:04:46] <SirFinkus> wow, two sometimes
[10:04:37] * SirFinkus sometimes wishes there as just a "-1 fucking stupid" mod option sometimes
[10:04:20] <crutchy> need --filter-coconut=1
[10:01:42] <arti> just sloppy configuration on my part
[10:01:18] <crutchy> with coconut
[10:00:58] <MrBluze> greetnigs
[10:00:56] * crutchy thinks xlefay may be bribing arti's stats program
[10:00:40] <arti> greetings MrBluze
[10:00:29] <MrBluze> hi arti
[10:00:24] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[10:00:22] <MrBluze> with bacon
[10:00:20] <crutchy> hey mrbluze
[10:00:20] <arti> hahaha
[10:00:12] <MrBluze> yum
[10:00:06] <MrBluze> dim sims in sour cream
[10:00:02] <crutchy> and a taty cake
[09:59:53] <crutchy> oh shit i have dim sims :-P
[09:59:17] <SirFinkus> oh shit, I have modpoints
[09:59:17] <crutchy> lol Bender bent your rules :-)
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[09:59:08] <arti> grats on the highscore for most days active
[09:58:47] <arti> i should fix that, i exclude bots
[09:58:41] <arti> hmm
[09:58:36] <crutchy> hough bender is :-)
[09:58:11] * crutchy is surprised sedbot isn't up there ^ in stats
[09:57:24] <SedBot> <arti> likes it when an entire soundtrack is done by an artist
[09:57:24] <arti> s/atrist/artist/
[09:57:19] * arti likes it when an entire soundtrack is done by an atrist
[09:56:53] <crutchy> tron is cool... so is daft punk :-P
[09:56:23] <arti> that's how it works in tron when they kill -9
[09:56:08] <crutchy> maybe he's coming to my house to kill me
[09:55:41] <arti> that guy right there loved comics
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[09:55:18] <crutchy> but i loooorve procrastinating i spose
[09:54:55] <crutchy> haha i hate comics
[09:54:42] * arti thinks this is the case, but isn't sure
[09:54:35] <arti> maybe you read too many comics and you constantly narrate?
[09:54:21] <chromas> Maybe it's confused
[09:54:08] <chromas> huh well he's over 9,000 here now
[09:53:34] <crutchy> how can i talk that much in both channels?
[09:53:28] <chromas> Quotes too
[09:53:19] <crutchy> ahh
[09:53:14] <chromas> Yeah I think it's per channel
[09:53:01] <crutchy> is it different if i do !stats in ##?
[09:52:47] <crutchy> hanol-fueled: 997, swisskid: 966,
[09:52:47] <crutchy> <deadbeef> stat results for ##: crutchy: 9820, xlefay: 9580, unknown: 9091, kobach: 6953, MrBluze: 5609, arti: 4608, janrinok: 3590, NCommander: 3483, mattie_p: 3140, n1: 2889, hax0rz: 2675, Landon: 2393, stderr: 2329, Khyber: 2209, mrcoolbp: 2202, Konomi: 2190, prospectacle: 2106, paulej72: 1688, Bender: 1613, Guardian452: 1480, martyb: 1436, SpallsHurgenson: 1403, FatPhil: 1260, michealpwalls: 1040, audioguy: 1036, Alberto: 1025, Et
[09:52:46] <arti> maybe generate the thing 24 times?
[09:52:44] <chromas> crutchy: in the other channel
[09:52:30] <arti> i'm trying to think of how to setup something so that this'll include a snippet of js and you can enter your gmt and it'll pull up the appropriate stats
[09:51:21] <crutchy> i'm sure he was over 9k yestersday
[09:50:52] <crutchy> wtf xlefay's troll score is less than it was i think?
[09:50:44] <SirFinkus> I do my talking in The Other Channel
[09:50:29] * arti laughs
[09:50:20] <crutchy> carp
[09:50:15] <deadbeef> stat results for #Soylent: crutchy: 9461, xlefay: 8116, kobach: 6900, unknown: 6178, MrBluze: 4522, arti: 4504, hax0rz: 2675, NCommander: 2638, Khyber: 2209, Landon: 2206, Konomi: 2190, prospectacle: 2106, mattie_p: 2030, janrinok: 1856, stderr: 1699, n1: 1631, Bender: 1542, Guardian452: 1480, SpallsHurgenson: 1420, mrcoolbp: 1156, FatPhil: 1126, michealpwalls: 1088, Ethanol-fueled: 997, swisskid: 966, martyb: 960, juggs: 911, auto_def: 905, Popeidol:
[09:50:13] <crutchy> xlefay #1?
[09:50:07] <SirFinkus> oooh, spider map?
[09:50:04] <deadbeef> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[09:50:04] <crutchy> !stats
[09:49:55] <crutchy> !updatestats
[09:49:12] <crutchy> :-)
[09:49:09] <crutchy> also it seems to suggest i talk a lot, which is obviously wrong
[09:48:35] <crutchy> i don't get how the spider map shows a big fat red line between me and xlefay when we're on opposite sides of the universe and many times when he's on irc i'm either at work or sleeping. think your stats must be borked :-P
[09:46:41] <crutchy> g'oop arti :-)
[09:44:26] <SirFinkus> or this one
[09:44:24] <SirFinkus> https://addons.mozilla.org
[09:43:32] <SirFinkus> like this one
[09:43:28] <SirFinkus> https://addons.mozilla.org
[09:43:17] <arti> g'oop crutchy :D
[09:42:58] <SirFinkus> all of them are bad
[09:42:30] <SirFinkus> only 10 of which are bacon related
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[09:42:03] <SirFinkus> 21 bacon personas
[09:41:04] <chromas> BaconSync
[09:40:31] * SirFinkus looks for bacon persona for firefox
[09:40:00] <arti> could be a good idea for an extension
[09:37:53] <chromas> All the discussion around it would turn to bacon for some reason
[09:37:12] <SirFinkus> surely that will solve everything
[09:36:28] <chromas> We should fork. SoylentFox
[09:35:01] <SirFinkus> none of the little problems are that big of a deal, but they add up and bother me quite a bit
[09:34:08] <SirFinkus> the dark ages
[09:34:00] <arti> end of an era when thats gone
[09:33:43] <SirFinkus> yeah, probably lol
[09:33:32] * arti would say flash
[09:33:31] <SirFinkus> also things like the buttons and title bar having white backgrounds instead of the color of the window decoration
[09:33:00] <SirFinkus> I had weird flash bugs for a while too, but idk if that was flash for firefox
[09:32:36] <arti> granted i do lots of interactions so it's not that big of a deal
[09:32:28] * arti has scrolling stop in chrome from time to time
[09:32:12] <SirFinkus> like very rarely, scrolling will stop wroking
[09:32:07] <arti> http://www.mozilla.org
[09:31:55] <chromas> Firefox never handles sessions properly for me. If it bothers to remember, it just says "oops, your session crashed"
[09:31:48] <SirFinkus> there's just little bugs and shit in it
[09:31:43] <arti> less... everything and more speed?
[09:31:35] <deadbeef> [SoylentNews] - NASA Releases Over 1000 Projects as Open Source - http://sylnt.us - open-source-space-exploration
[09:31:31] <arti> how so?
[09:31:11] <SirFinkus> I wish firefox was a bit better
[09:30:52] <arti> the presto engine is 12.16 or something right?
[09:30:33] <arti> last i checked it out it was ~ v 18?
[09:30:11] <chromas> As of 12, it was still full MDI. Haven't tested whatever the webkit fork version is
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[09:28:13] <chromas> Yep
[09:28:08] <SirFinkus> the UI for that was great though
[09:27:58] <chromas> Occasionally there was an ad that would reappear after clicking. Not sure how
[09:27:35] <SirFinkus> "click shit you don't want to see again"
[09:27:15] <SirFinkus> I really liked their adblocker
[09:25:01] <arti> i hope so, opera does some cool stuff
[09:24:46] * arti shrugs
[09:22:33] <chromas> ^ Unicode dice
[09:22:13] <chromas> That's what ⚂⚃ said
[09:21:49] <arti> chromas, well looks like they'll get that stuff poked back in after awhile, i hope
[09:21:34] <arti> firefox is sweet for plugins, chrome has a lot of neat functionality too (good mixed with the evil)
[09:21:19] <chromas> like beta
[09:21:17] <chromas> They took everything that made it Opera and threw it away
[09:21:14] * arti has to test in multiple browsers
[09:21:11] <SirFinkus> literally the only reason I use firefox
[09:21:05] <SirFinkus> I liked opera a while back, but I can't live without my plugins
[09:20:54] <arti> they've forked it
[09:20:50] <chromas> Yeah last I saw the sync option went away. The Android client just takes you to their web site when you push it
[09:20:47] <SirFinkus> isn't it using webkit?
[09:20:00] * arti needs to see how their "new" browser is coming along
[09:19:52] <arti> opera...
[09:18:32] * chromas wonders if APK will appear
[09:18:20] <chromas> Delphi and 64-bit Opera
[09:18:06] <chromas> hosts
[09:09:04] <SirFinkus> yes, evening
[09:08:53] <arti> evening btw
[09:08:35] <chromas> MS-PL duh
[09:08:01] <SirFinkus> oh, also, should I use the GPL or BSD license for my programs?
[09:07:20] <chromas> I barely know vim. I never did figure out how to exit emacs when I tried it
[09:06:59] <arti> nothing like whipping up some C for everything
[09:06:30] <SirFinkus> anyway, we all know the answer is vim and c
[09:06:16] <arti> hahaha, /claps got me
[09:06:12] <chromas> Pascal, using cat with redirection
[09:06:10] <SirFinkus> no, not really
[09:06:03] <arti> are you serious
[09:06:02] <SirFinkus> that should cover it
[09:05:58] <SirFinkus> also any recommendations on books
[09:05:49] <arti> is that made by apple?
[09:05:43] <SirFinkus> emacs rather
[09:05:34] <SirFinkus> hey guys, I'm new to programming and linux, I was wondering if I should use Vim or Emac and which language I should start with
[09:05:24] <arti> is that the sister planet to bespin :^)
[09:05:13] <chromas> I require more vespene gas
[09:05:11] * arti forgot the reason
[09:05:08] <chromas> Hot air
[09:05:04] <arti> linux sucks!
[09:04:42] <chromas> SirFinkus: Yes. Not enough activity
[09:02:37] <arti> that' was fast
[09:02:35] <SirFinkus> chromas trying to start a holy war?
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[08:43:30] <chromas> Night, good sir
[08:43:20] <xlefay> imma go sleep, night! ;)
[08:42:36] <xlefay> Not to mention his liking of 'yum' ;-)
[08:42:11] <chromas> At least, his favorite for throwing around
[08:42:02] <xlefay> Indeed, I believe it was
[08:41:50] <deadbeef> Added quote 111
[08:41:50] <xlefay> !grab chromas
[08:41:43] <chromas> I heard CentOS thrown around a lot. I believe it was NCommander's favorite
[08:41:22] <chromas> What's the 'best' distro to hop to from openSuse?
[08:40:58] <chromas> Pretty slow, here. Maybe this will speed things up...
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[07:53:26] <arti> :D
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[06:13:16] <SpallsHurgenson> oh noes! gunses! think of the kiddie-children!
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[06:10:44] <deadbeef> Quote 110 - <MrBluze> well if you stick a pipe into your cat, and connect it into your printer, u can print the internet too
[06:10:44] <Bytram> !quote 110
[06:09:43] <deadbeef> Added quote 110
[06:09:42] <Bytram> !grab MrBluze
[06:09:33] <Bytram> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:52:33] <arti> so that's what that port is for
[05:51:58] <MrBluze> well if you stick a pipe into your cat, and connect it into your printer, u can print the internet too
[05:51:09] <SpallsHurgenson> MrBluze: that was awful. I LOL'd
[05:48:16] <MrBluze> $ cat Internet
[05:48:10] <MrBluze> your cat can do it
[05:48:01] <MrBluze> have you got a cat?
[05:47:11] <SpallsHurgenson> 7342871124119443, 873958219074, 345745762342394, 656191857667271, 7572371823645862391... oh yes, this is much faster... 740201619111130757, 87806798, 2227876939654...
[05:45:57] <SpallsHurgenson> hmm, it seems sort of silly only using ones and zeros... what if I add up a few of the numbers?
[05:45:12] <MrBluze> it's ok i have a few minutes
[05:44:54] <SpallsHurgenson> 1.1.0.0.0.1.0.1.0.0.0.1.0.0.1.0.0.0.0.... look. this might take a while
[05:44:45] <MrBluze> you can fax it to me if you want, later
[05:44:29] * SpallsHurgenson gets out a pen and paper
[05:44:24] <SpallsHurgenson> good idea
[05:43:58] <MrBluze> you might need it later
[05:43:48] <MrBluze> make sure you write the Internet down before you close it
[05:43:30] <SpallsHurgenson> no, they are each plugged in on opposite sides of the room ::)
[05:42:50] <xlefay> hmm, you can't do it both at once?
[05:42:05] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, do I turn off Google or Facebook first?
[05:41:38] <xlefay> SpallsHurgenson, good plan. Enjoy life!
[05:41:22] <xlefay> Do you have an empty inbox?
[05:41:20] <SpallsHurgenson> better turn off the Internet before it fills up again. Everybody save your work, I'm pulling the plug in 5! :)
[05:39:10] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, is nothign sweeter than an empty inbox?
[05:18:30] <xlefay> minus the part where Windows automatically multiplies that, I believe they call it "rundl32"-somethingsomething
[05:17:07] <chromas> That's why Windows is stable now. 640 kilobugs ought to be enough for anybody
[05:15:56] <arti> K
[05:15:52] <arti> 640 ways :D
[05:15:43] <MrBluze> i love you so much Mr Gates
[05:15:35] <xlefay> I've got 4 workspaces.. guess what? On all 4 the open programs are shown in the launcher.. like wtf do you have workspaces for then?
[05:15:27] <chromas> See? Recycled! Windows is environment friendly, too!
[05:15:26] <arti> you get three for every one
[05:15:11] <arti> i think that's called backwards compatibility hax
[05:15:09] <xlefay> arti, ugh that's just ridiculous in Unity
[05:14:50] <MrBluze> .. windows has all kinds of 10+ year old bugs in it .. which shows the code is rehashed and recycled really badly
[05:14:16] <chromas> Windows had unchecked buffer exploits long before OpenSSL did. Windows is hip, yo
[05:14:14] <arti> workspaces :D
[05:14:06] <MrBluze> not sure i should .. i like kde now
[05:13:58] <MrBluze> i havent tested unity in over a year
[05:13:16] <xlefay> The initial versions were crap, but the unity I'm running now, is pretty darn awesome
[05:12:55] <arti> yeah for really awesome, you go unity
[05:12:54] <deadbeef> karma - mrbluze: 11
[05:12:54] <Bytram> MrBluze++ # correct! Otherwise, you are making sure that your credentials are in memory and open to being grabbed.
[05:12:41] <MrBluze> windows.. awesome? not really
[05:05:55] <xlefay> Unfortunately, no :)
[05:05:32] <SpallsHurgenson> probably how its sheer awesomeness gives Microsoft such an unfair advantage over its competitors :)
[05:03:43] * xlefay was just ranting about Windows..
[05:03:11] <SpallsHurgenson> see, this is why I only use professionally written software, like Windows, and none of this amateur-hour open-source stuff :-)
[04:58:15] <MrBluze> otherwise dont even log in to it
[04:58:06] <MrBluze> but to see if it's the right time to change, u make sure the site is not still vulnerable
[04:57:56] <MrBluze> yes u cahnge everything
[04:57:04] <SpallsHurgenson> no, you change even if it is positive, because they might have been negative two days ago :)
[04:56:21] <MrBluze> and if it's negative for heartbleed, change passwords
[04:56:10] <MrBluze> you use a testing service
[04:56:02] <MrBluze> +t
[04:56:00] <MrBluze> thats not difficul
[04:55:27] <SpallsHurgenson> (except for the difficult question of whether to change the passwords IMMEDIATELY or wait for the websites to update first :)
[04:55:14] <MrBluze> qualys
[04:55:09] <MrBluze> soylentnews.org is rated A- by Quay SSL labs
[04:55:03] <SpallsHurgenson> I can imagine. Fortunately, I was insulated from most of that
[04:54:30] <MrBluze> ssl fallout
[04:52:05] <MrBluze> busy few days
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[04:51:05] <SpallsHurgenson> whoa, I sure missed a lot :)
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[00:28:08] <arti> :D
[00:28:04] * arti brings cookies for everyone
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