#Soylent | Logs for 2014-03-31

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[23:59:34] <paulej72> Blackmoore: there seems to be no limit set from what I can see. Are you getting a error message when trying to sumbit more
[23:59:16] <prospectacle> paulej72, I think I see what you mean, it's not semantically clear. MessageId should have its own assignment statement, and then you can use it wherever needed, like assigning it to messagesub->subid or whatever.
[23:56:33] <paulej72> messagesub is used later to display some more data
[23:56:31] <Blackmoore> if such a thing exists
[23:56:21] <Blackmoore> it has to be the daily limit; OR limit per hour.
[23:55:52] <Blackmoore> @NC - well then - glad to be of service. I was just looking to see if I had submitted 20 TOTAL but no, 5 today, and 12 total submissions so it shouldnt be that.
[23:55:27] <paulej72> prospectacle: yes it is. I really do not like that such a important job is basicly in an assigment operator.
[23:53:59] <paulej72> the heavy lifting is bing done by createSubmission and returns a subid. I think that poor method of ding things
[23:53:34] <prospectacle> So that creates a submission and returns an id and assigns it to what? What is $messagesub->{subid}?
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[23:52:14] <paulej72> god I hate bad coders sometimes: $messagesub->{subid} = $slashdb->createSubmission($submission);
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[23:43:25] <Blackmoore> Well, i can't say I haven't run into strange and odd errors on the web before. this kind of crap does happen to me.
[23:41:28] <paulej72> I am still trying to find the specific code that saves the sub to the db.
[23:41:03] <NCommander> paulej72, though there's a 5 minute default between posts
[23:40:53] <NCommander> paulej72, easy way to test is to losoe admin privs on dev, and them spam the queue
[23:40:09] <paulej72> That is what I am thinking. There is no limit and Blackmoore is just seeing things :)
[23:39:19] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:39:18] <NCommander> paulej72, there are vars that frequently AREN'T used
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[23:39:05] <paulej72> NCommander: Trying to find it. the var in the database is max_submission_allowed, but I can’t find where it is being used
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[23:38:12] <NCommander> paulej72, ideas of where it lives?
[23:38:07] <NCommander> Blackmoore, that needs to die
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[23:25:24] <Blackmoore> I can see that as an anti-spam measure
[23:24:15] <Blackmoore> @NC yeah, it looks like there is a submission limit of 6 articles in a day
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[23:21:46] <crutchy> hopefully everything is ok
[23:20:41] <crutchy> you and xlefay don't appear to be on the best of terms
[23:20:25] <crutchy> how you been anyway?
[23:19:29] <crutchy> well, your ip is obfuscated but you prolly get my drift
[23:18:46] <crutchy> your ip still shows up in the raw irc messages
[23:18:31] <crutchy> i don't think obfuscation works here alberto :-P
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[23:18:03] <paulej72> so each user as the same value
[23:17:42] <crutchy> ahh
[23:17:26] <paulej72> crutchy: global, but a per user setting. Sorry I got confused about what you said
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[23:15:38] <crutchy> lol holy shit
[23:15:31] <paulej72> global
[23:15:23] <crutchy> lol is that a global setting or per user?
[23:15:01] <paulej72> max_submissions_allowed is set to 20
[23:14:10] <crutchy> slash: even better than where's waldo :-P
[23:12:23] <paulej72> there is a submission limit function, I just need to find where it is
[23:09:28] <crutchy> if there is it would seem to be set very low
[23:08:51] <crutchy> anti-spam
[23:08:42] <crutchy> per user per day
[23:08:35] <crutchy> maybe a posting limit?
[23:02:33] <NCommander> Blackmoore, there's a queue limit?
[23:00:49] <Blackmoore> hmm.. Soyleny isn't letting me submit new articles (posted limit for day) but I cant see the link to the queue either
[23:00:45] <MileyCyrus> [SoylentNews] - UN Court Orders Japan to Stop Whaling - http://sylnt.us - perfect-whale-sandwich-in-peril
[22:45:16] <weeds_> janrinok: Better than nothing (but not by much!) I'll keep looking...
[22:43:57] <weeds_> kobach: howdy
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[22:36:35] <janrinok> Time for me to go - hope the system update goes well. see you guys tomorrow!
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[22:25:30] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I queued 3 of you subs and I am saving one in case the site update throws a wobbly - I want something waiting if people can't submit because of site downtime.
[22:23:37] <janrinok> weeds - it appears to have 2 comments saying just that!
[22:21:21] <kobach> lol
[22:21:15] <Blackmoore> I'd rather be drinking on the job
[22:20:58] <Blackmoore> I'll Raise your "mondays" - today is a second EOM rush (so back to back OT for me to sit here and wait for crap to do)
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[22:17:51] <kobach> hi weeds_
[22:16:44] <weeds_> janrinok: :-) I hope it gets some dialog - even if just to say "they don't get it!"
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[21:52:05] <janrinok> I have that everday!
[21:52:03] <kobach> lol
[21:51:56] <kobach> SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE HAS A CASE OF THE MONDAYS
[21:51:39] <janrinok> lol - you can say that again! (but don't, it is only a figure of speech, I know how bad it is!
[21:51:37] <Blackmoore> you're lucky I'm having a slow day
[21:51:30] <kobach> yes
[21:51:05] <dx3bydt3> wow, submission queue is sparse today.
[21:50:35] <janrinok> We reported what it would contain last week, but no-one is sub'ing the release story.
[21:50:33] <Blackmoore> http://kernelnewbies.org
[21:49:40] <Blackmoore> did anyone report the linux 3.14 Kernal release?
[21:49:08] <Blackmoore> um yes please. :P
[21:47:13] <janrinok> Blackmoore: ....with a bit of judicious editing here and there. ;-)
[21:46:43] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I'm just finishing your last sub - thx - all going thru
[21:46:31] <Blackmoore> let's see how many get rejected :P
[21:46:03] <Blackmoore> AND - soylet says i'm done for today..
[21:45:10] <michealpwalls> Wow Turkey's government is cray cray :O
[21:41:45] <MileyCyrus> [SoylentNews] - Turkey Hijacking Google, Level 3, and OpenDNS - http://sylnt.us - escalation-time
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[21:33:35] <janrinok> and it on the front page
[21:33:21] <janrinok> weeds if it was the Turkey story it's going out now..
[21:32:33] <janrinok> thx weeds
[21:32:26] <weeds_> submitted story :)
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[21:22:20] <janrinok> rofl
[21:22:14] <michealpwalls> *gasp* not by me?! :P
[21:22:04] <kobach> oh my
[21:21:14] <janrinok> michealpwalls: why do I get the feeling that I've just been trolled.....?
[21:19:52] <janrinok> It has its moments - not often, but enough...
[21:19:27] <janrinok> Blackmoore: thx for the extra link
[21:19:27] <michealpwalls> Kudos on the hard work, though. It must be tedius at times! :O
[21:19:05] <michealpwalls> I mean... "humans" doing work? Pfft..
[21:18:55] <janrinok> lol
[21:18:48] <michealpwalls> Well gosh! That's *so* 1990s ;)
[21:18:13] <janrinok> michealpwalls: no there are real people who spend their time converting the submissions into stories. We are the ones to be blamed for all of that sort of thing.
[21:17:56] <Blackmoore> @janrinok -- i have another source for the NSA / RSA issue if you want to add http://arstechnica.com
[21:17:17] <michealpwalls> Touche
[21:17:14] <michealpwalls> haha janrinok
[21:17:07] <michealpwalls> I thought it was pretty much automated... I.E: There are "editor" accounts that can post articles directly to the frontpage.
[21:17:03] <janrinok> yep - but hopefully on a slightly more technical subject! lol
[21:16:40] <michealpwalls> So when I see "xxyyzz submits: "I hadda baby it's a boy"", xxyyzz submitted and then *you* posted that for them?
[21:16:11] <michealpwalls> Ohhh!
[21:15:51] <Blackmoore> @janrinok - good to hear.
[21:15:21] <janrinok> michealpwalls: ^^
[21:15:16] <janrinok> michealpwalls:
[21:15:08] <janrinok> http://soylentnews.org is what you are looking for. As a minimum, give me a short summary and links to the relevant web pages. If you would like some personal feedback provide your email in the field on that page.
[21:15:06] <Blackmoore> I was just using the sumbit on the soylent site
[21:10:43] <michealpwalls> Is there an place I can submit them to you, or?
[21:10:11] <michealpwalls> :)
[21:10:10] <michealpwalls> Deal!
[21:07:43] <janrinok> If you write genuine articles michealpwalls, I'll do my best to turn them into releasable stories. Hey, tha's what I do here...
[21:00:55] <michealpwalls> How does this work? Can I write mock articles and give them to somebody with better editing skills than me? I'm not a limelight kinda guy :P
[20:55:20] <janrinok> no - I can use them, they're OK, in date, and better than some that I have seen!
[20:54:08] <Blackmoore> i really suck at this.
[20:53:51] <Blackmoore> :)
[20:41:55] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I've got 3 of yours thx
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[20:38:38] <Blackmoore> now if I could only write a decent writeup. *(!#*&$%()@%*&
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[20:27:25] <Blackmoore> i'm trying. system is having me wait to submit story #2
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[20:10:04] <janrinok> Yes - weather now good and relatively warm.
[20:09:45] <janrinok> OK, should be a quiet evening...:-)
[20:09:37] <kobach> did it stop raining?
[20:09:36] * Alberto blames kobach
[20:09:34] <kobach> not bad hows u
[20:09:31] <kobach> sup janrinok
[20:09:26] <kobach> FUCKING NEED STORIES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:09:23] * Cyprus throws a rock at kobach
[20:09:17] <janrinok> hi kobach - hows things?
[20:09:13] <kobach> EVERYONE
[20:09:07] <kobach> HOLY SHIT
[20:09:06] <kobach> HOLY SHIT
[20:07:06] <janrinok> There are currently NO stories in the submission queue - please submit a story now!
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[19:40:14] <zombender> [SoylentNews] - Russia in Nuclear War Exercises - http://sylnt.us - nostalgia-for-the-cold-war
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[19:33:34] * Alberto has bacon seeds
[19:32:39] <michealpwalls> hehe apparently!
[19:32:21] <Cyprus> theres more to it?
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[19:13:21] <michealpwalls> I thought I could buy some pots and dirt, plant some seeds and be enjoying a life rich in veggies... :/
[19:13:06] <michealpwalls> There's more to it than I thought, that's for sure.
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[19:12:15] <michealpwalls> Was pretty cute. Something shriveled up the beans though, made them all dry out and go brown like they had no water (But they had water!)
[19:11:43] <michealpwalls> Oh they really are. A lot of the garden was theirs. They had baby carrots and peas
[19:11:42] <Blackmoore> herbs take less room, and the bugs typically don't like tham as much
[19:11:32] <kobach> herbs are super easy to grow in an apartment
[19:11:18] <kobach> of course the best thing is to get them interested in gardening
[19:11:14] <michealpwalls> haha that's actually a pretty good idea!
[19:11:13] <Blackmoore> you would be better off growing herbs than veggies
[19:11:07] <michealpwalls> haha + a cat I called "George", from the Bugs Bunny 'n Tweety Show..
[19:10:57] <kobach> hang those plants from the ceiling lol
[19:10:50] <kobach> oh shit
[19:10:46] <michealpwalls> 2 young boys :O
[19:10:46] <kobach> ahh
[19:10:40] <michealpwalls> No room inside until I move
[19:10:23] <kobach> google apartment gardening, youll get a bunch of results
[19:09:59] <kobach> have room inside?
[19:09:54] <kobach> especially inside
[19:09:49] <kobach> nah its perfectly possible
[19:06:56] <michealpwalls> thing :/
[19:06:55] <michealpwalls> The other hypothesis I had was that, being in a city trying to grow veggies on an apartment building's balconi isn't the greatest of idea due to competition. I mean think about it... Just how many gardens could you imagine those insects have an opportunity to feast on? They seen mine and came from all over to compete with each other to eat it. I think I played a very small role in that whole
[19:05:37] <kobach> lol
[19:05:24] <michealpwalls> I tried to basically do too many things and ended up contending with such a wide range of insects. The Time factor made it virtually hopeless for a beginner.
[19:04:49] <michealpwalls> I think you're right, though... Start small, slowly grow as you learn
[19:04:14] <michealpwalls> Lost all my eggplants to some clear-skinned insect. Couldn't find it on google with confidence to identify what it was. Had a great idea for an app, though (Take a picture of an insect and identify it!)
[19:03:39] <michealpwalls> They [insects] are so fast and cunning... They were constantly multiple steps ahead of me. When I would get ontop of one of them (The afids, for example) some other un-identified insect would just move in and take it's place :(
[19:02:59] <kobach> and then etc
[19:02:57] <kobach> eventually youll have enough to have a meal
[19:02:44] <kobach> start out small
[19:02:42] <kobach> see
[19:02:30] <michealpwalls> Basically... I provided fresh veggies for the local insect population for the summer.
[19:02:16] <michealpwalls> hehe!
[19:02:10] <xlefay> ain't that the truth!
[19:02:06] <zombender> Added quote 74
[19:02:05] <xlefay> !grab michealpwalls
[19:01:54] <michealpwalls> Programmers != farmers.
[19:01:48] <michealpwalls> THat was ridiculous..
[19:01:44] <michealpwalls> I tried to grow food on my balconi once
[19:01:29] <xlefay> ciao n1 , take care!
[19:01:21] <michealpwalls> Cya!
[19:01:20] <kobach> cya n1
[19:01:16] <n1> take it easy folks
[19:01:12] <n1> im out for a while
[19:01:01] <kobach> i have bread now though!
[19:01:00] <michealpwalls> hehe I eat healthy for a "young person", at least that's what I'm told :P
[19:00:52] <kobach> i still need to get peanut butter and bananas
[19:00:50] <xlefay> ha ;)
[19:00:44] <kobach> xlefay: possibly
[19:00:39] <kobach> im one of those people that eat real food, yes
[19:00:38] <xlefay> Bacon flavored?
[19:00:08] <kobach> of course every now and then ill buy bananas or oranges/juice
[19:00:02] <michealpwalls> haha
[18:59:54] <n1> :p
[18:59:53] <n1> lets all move to the midwest!
[18:59:44] <kobach> i live in the midwest so it works here
[18:59:38] <kobach> lol
[18:59:35] <michealpwalls> Or Toronto, Ontario in the middle of Winter :)
[18:59:28] <michealpwalls> Thank you ^
[18:59:27] <kobach> nobody said you had to eat oranges and bananas all year
[18:59:19] <n1> the 100 mile radius of London does not give many options, especially if you're excluding the foreign countries that are within 100 miles
[18:59:12] <michealpwalls> Because, well, you can't grow oranges and bananas everywhere. Climate's a funny thing like that :P
[18:59:07] <kobach> by number china is a typical country
[18:59:01] <kobach> im not sure what a typical country is
[18:58:48] <michealpwalls> But.. Lets say you live in a typical country, LOL, that would mean an extremely limited selection of fruits and vegetables..
[18:58:41] <kobach> no reason not to here
[18:58:31] <kobach> well thats pretty much what i do
[18:58:19] <michealpwalls> To eat "locally"
[18:58:16] <n1> im guessing everything has to be 'locally' sourced
[18:58:16] <michealpwalls> Well, the idea started (Obv.) in California, where it makes perfect sense... To eat food only from a 100 mile radius of your home.
[18:57:56] <kobach> whats a 100 mile diet
[18:57:50] <michealpwalls> The whole Californian "100 mile diet" is a friggin' joke in my country. You'd damned well starve to death :P
[18:57:44] <kobach> fuck california
[18:57:38] <kobach> fuck no
[18:57:34] <michealpwalls> Bah. Don't tell me you live in California?
[18:57:24] <kobach> no epidemic here
[18:57:21] <kobach> nah i buy from local farmers
[18:56:58] <michealpwalls> +n1: That's for sure!
[18:56:48] <n1> someone is making very good money off it, michealpwalls
[18:56:46] <Alberto> Also you edit yourself
[18:56:20] <kobach> lol
[18:56:19] <kobach> after i did several times
[18:56:14] <kobach> he did
[18:56:14] <Alberto> BOTH!
[18:56:13] <kobach> yeah
[18:56:13] <Alberto> I HATE YOU! :P
[18:56:06] <Alberto> also xlefay ban me from the BACON CHANNEL
[18:56:01] <kobach> dont care either
[18:55:58] <michealpwalls> Business sense!
[18:55:56] <kobach> nope
[18:55:53] <michealpwalls> This porcine epidemic makes the most sense I've read all day... A biological catalyst that raises the price of pigs... So to take advantage, a marketing blitz accross the board to raise demand for these now-pricey-hogs?
[18:55:52] <Alberto> NOT FAIR!
[18:55:49] <Alberto> and you have to edit the DB
[18:55:44] <Alberto> i win you
[18:55:42] <Alberto> kobach, you cheater
[18:55:30] <kobach> its because bacon is the best source of protein, other than hempseed
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[18:54:20] <michealpwalls> Alberto: I'm food agnostic? I don't see the fuss over any one particular source of protein :/
[18:54:20] <xlefay> Alberto, I would appreciate it if you were to let it go, if not, there's no need to wish me dead because I don't agree with four hour bacon++ floods, for instance.
[18:53:57] <Alberto> michealpwalls, what you prefer, drugs?
[18:53:51] <michealpwalls> Touche...
[18:53:38] <n1> it selling more bacon is all that matters
[18:53:25] <n1> it's marketing, doesnt have to make sense
[18:53:24] <Alberto> xlefay, die slowly you bacon traitor
[18:53:11] <michealpwalls> chicken-before-egg :P
[18:52:24] <n1> and marketing dept's responded
[18:52:17] <n1> big data saw all this bacon talk
[18:52:09] <xlefay> michealpwalls, that's kobach's doing
[18:51:59] <n1> http://www.zerohedge.com
[18:51:38] <michealpwalls> Society makes no sense to me :/
[18:51:31] <michealpwalls> There's a big marketing push for Bacon recently..
[18:50:07] <xlefay> Well, that's quite a severe reaction to getting banned in one non-SN channel because you were flooding bacon++ excessively.. but whatever makes you happy. Have a good day!
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[18:45:51] <Alberto> as kobach bcz cheating
[18:45:25] <mrcoolbp> michealpwalls: please don't be afraid to submit anything
[18:45:24] <Alberto> :)
[18:45:22] <Alberto> xlefay, ur dead to me
[18:44:24] <michealpwalls> s:/was/is
[18:44:16] <n1> do a good write up on it
[18:44:02] <michealpwalls> I think it was the most viable strategy for mimicking machine intelligence
[18:43:24] <michealpwalls> I wanted to post about a TED talk I watched that I thought was really profound and sparked a lot of thought.. Then again, maybe nobody but me cares haha. https://www.ted.com
[18:41:20] <n1> its ok, i'll get the blame for posting it :p
[18:40:56] <michealpwalls> I'm always afraid to submit the "obvious" or "boring" story that everyone already read/talked about LOL
[18:39:56] <n1> if anyone does find any stories during their browsing today, please submit them. would be super awesome :)
[18:39:16] <n1> well, if we were both doing what we should be doing, i might not feel so bad about the story :p
[18:37:19] <michealpwalls> .. I'm on *at* work.. Bad workmanship here LOL
[18:36:56] <mrcoolbp> n1: thanks, only on for a few before work
[18:36:54] <michealpwalls> Which is what it's all about, I think hehe
[18:36:44] <michealpwalls> Hey it got people talking! :)
[18:36:41] <n1> wb mrcoolbp
[18:36:31] <n1> seems like this is to be my first major "editor should be shot" story.
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[18:35:08] <michealpwalls> *facepalm*
[18:35:07] <michealpwalls> It's like.. Option A): Give it away, hope nobody gets sick. If nobody gets see, we did the "right thing"... If people get sick, we are "cheap, evil company trying to save a buck" LOL... Or... B) Dump the food, look like "evil company, cares not of the people" the best is C) Continue to sit on this mountain of peanut butter and hope nobody notice... Wait, friggin' Christian Science Monitor!
[18:34:38] <n1> but there's not any profit in that
[18:34:32] <n1> we have enough food to feed everyone in the world, if we wanted to
[18:34:22] <Titanium> after that, dont send them anything
[18:34:17] <n1> but there is a problem with the distribution of the food
[18:34:15] <Titanium> and buy them some peanut butter
[18:34:11] <n1> there's no shortage of food
[18:34:00] <Titanium> the way to win is to cease all relations with that chairty
[18:33:43] <michealpwalls> I wouldn't wanna be a Costco PR guy right now haha
[18:33:35] <michealpwalls> Yea, it's hard to navigate that bad PR water :O
[18:33:31] <Titanium> there is no shortage of food
[18:33:28] <n1> either way they'd get bad PR
[18:33:23] <Titanium> people have some kind of irrational fear of wasting any food
[18:33:23] <n1> it does look like a no-win situation for costco
[18:32:50] <michealpwalls> And has had many many cases where they were cited for violations, told to correct, said they would but never did... Time and time again they lied, mislead and continued to make and sell dirty food until a large outbreak occured. hehe.. I'm totaly with Costco. Dump *all* their stuff, just to be safe.
[18:32:05] <michealpwalls> But I read a lot about that particular case... Did you know that factory didn't even have hand-washing stations?
[18:31:51] <michealpwalls> I can see why people would knee-jerk, though. A lot of companies in my country (Tim Hortons, for one..) legitimately dump food. So when you hear about it, it gets you upset.
[18:31:05] <Titanium> you want whatever crap gets past FDA to be shovled down your throat?
[18:30:54] <michealpwalls> Yea, true..
[18:30:51] <Titanium> and people complain?
[18:30:46] <Titanium> here is an example of a company having standards
[18:30:20] <michealpwalls> What more do you need from them? LOL
[18:30:16] <michealpwalls> The FDA's statement is in the shutting down of the entire factory...
[18:30:09] <Titanium> costoco would sell it
[18:30:05] <n1> im looking for it now
[18:30:03] <Titanium> if costco and fda deemed it safe...
[18:30:02] <n1> where's the FDA's statement?
[18:29:48] <michealpwalls> Hense why Costco is *paying* for it's verifiable destruction.
[18:29:37] <michealpwalls> The FDA doesn't deem it safe... Costco doesn't, either.
[18:29:30] <michealpwalls> n1: But that's a quote from the Christian Science Monitor... Not from Costco, or the FDA.
[18:29:24] <n1> i havnt personally seen those documents, obviously.
[18:29:12] <n1> summary and article says court records and all parties agreed
[18:28:47] <Titanium> get rid of any food that is questionable, there is already more than enough
[18:28:27] <Titanium> i dont see a problem with dumping
[18:28:21] <Titanium> there is more than enough food to make everyone fat
[18:27:52] <michealpwalls> n1: But where did that claim originate? (That it was "safe")
[18:27:49] <Titanium> they were not confident that it was safe to eat
[18:27:16] <Titanium> it had broken seals
[18:27:09] <n1> the food wasnt questionable from what i read
[18:26:50] <Titanium> i dont see a problem with dumping questionable food
[18:24:44] <michealpwalls> I commented about how I agree with Costco ;)
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[18:12:59] <michealpwalls> Shaping up to be a nice day today (The weather, at least) :)
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[18:00:12] <michealpwalls> The requirements of this project make my head hurt :(
[17:59:53] <michealpwalls> Yea same
[17:59:35] <Cyprus> i'm so dragging today
[17:44:52] <xlefay> ha
[17:41:32] <michealpwalls> Just beeing lurking soylent and drinking coffee all morning (shh!)
[17:41:18] <michealpwalls> Same. Can't get energy :(
[17:40:37] <xlefay> it's monday :) you?
[17:39:41] <michealpwalls> How are things?
[17:39:34] <xlefay> hi
[17:39:29] <michealpwalls> Hi :)
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[17:14:07] * n1 has fond memories of theme hospital
[17:05:36] <Blackmoore> yup
[17:00:21] <Popeidol> and as long as they cant see anybody else from their office, they probably wont notice the difference
[16:59:40] <Blackmoore> as much as I'd like to build a bunch of mannequins to fill in - the simulator is far more affordable
[16:58:55] <Blackmoore> right
[16:58:48] <Popeidol> sim hospital...but not for hospitals
[16:58:14] <Blackmoore> nah - think rollercoster tycoon, but cubicles.
[16:55:41] <Popeidol> cardboard cubicles and mannequins
[16:55:22] <Popeidol> a low-tech holodeck
[16:55:11] <Blackmoore> and lock him in there
[16:54:59] <Blackmoore> and tell him to wach the office in "real time"
[16:54:46] <Blackmoore> it is days like this when i want to write up a "business process simulator" and just set the PHB infront of it.
[16:54:39] <Popeidol> not here, but in general
[16:54:34] <Popeidol> on the plus side, guys: there are kittens
[16:54:26] <Popeidol> exactly
[16:54:03] <Blackmoore> i understand. and frankly it IS monday. we dont really need more than that do we.
[16:52:51] <Popeidol> Blackmoore: I toned it down because I was depressing myself
[16:52:35] <Blackmoore> but i do have Coffee.
[16:52:15] <Blackmoore> Pope; if only i were so lucky. that's only 10% of each day
[16:49:11] <Popeidol> but it's only four days until friday.
[16:48:58] <Popeidol> your so-called friends secretly laughs at you behind your back.
[16:48:29] <Popeidol> children cry as you walk past.
[16:47:57] <Popeidol> you will probably manage to upset your significant other in a way you do not understand nor have the energy to deal with.
[16:47:34] <Popeidol> things are going to break and people are going to demand things from you in an unreasonably short space of time.
[16:46:04] <Popeidol> happy monday!
[16:45:38] <mattie_p> irc 8:45am, could go for a bloody mary right about now
[16:45:06] <Popeidol> (pm)
[16:45:01] <Popeidol> 10:44 here: we are officially in brandy time
[16:44:40] <n1> rum sounds better than lunch
[16:44:36] <n1> mmmm
[16:44:28] <Blackmoore> ** tips into the rum**
[16:44:21] <n1> which means it's lunch time.
[16:44:17] <Blackmoore> well it's 5 oclock somewhere
[16:43:46] <n1> it might be 15:43 here but it feels more like 11:43
[16:43:27] <n1> its what ever time you think it is, somewhere.
[16:43:09] <mattie_p> I can't deal with time zones until after coffee
[16:41:34] <Popeidol> good evening.
[16:39:18] <n1> good afternoon
[16:38:34] <mattie_p> hey, good morning, team #soylent, I hope the bacon and coffee is flowing today
[16:38:12] <xlefay> ;)
[16:36:31] <Blackmoore> i guess i can get in here when i'm at work
[16:36:19] <Blackmoore> huh.
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[15:32:48] <crutchy> WB YOU BENDY THING YOU!!!
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[15:22:30] <crutchy> !turingTest(weeds_)
[15:22:11] <crutchy> lol
[15:22:07] <weeds_> I am a real person, honest
[15:21:54] <crutchy> :-P
[15:21:52] <crutchy> no wonder it's so bloody quiet
[15:21:27] <crutchy> how many other bots are in here?
[15:21:13] <crutchy> lol i didn't even realise diego was a bender :-P
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[12:39:02] <xlefay> I don't care for anyone spamming as long as it's not in an SN channel or one of mine except for #test :P
[12:38:46] <crutchy> maybe retarded programmer spam occasionally if i cock something up
[12:38:35] <xlefay> #test = for testing and spam, go right ahead
[12:38:22] <crutchy> well, not intentional anyways :-P
[12:38:15] <crutchy> no spam
[12:38:12] <crutchy> you ok with me testing a bot in #test xlefay?
[12:37:29] <xlefay> You just made a nice cup of tea, ... and IRC happens
[12:37:18] <xlefay> IRC will do that to you, same with tea
[12:37:02] <crutchy> i put the jug on but forgot about making my coffee :-P
[12:36:48] <crutchy> ooh
[12:35:07] <xlefay> bah
[12:34:59] <crutchy> watch the traffic when everyone's downloading entire tables to run jet queries :-/
[12:34:46] <xlefay> no doubt
[12:33:51] <crutchy> put a big fat ms access database on a server
[12:33:37] <crutchy> one of the best ways to gumm up a network
[12:33:01] <crutchy> second that
[12:32:46] <xlefay> oh.. access, well there is your problem! :)
[12:32:20] <crutchy> not that i like talking to access databases :-P
[12:31:59] <crutchy> php on linux doesn't talk to access databases very well (though i've read that it might be possible)
[12:31:51] <xlefay> I see :P
[12:31:03] <crutchy> i've done a bit of that
[12:30:54] <crutchy> or i could just make part of an app in php and the other in delphi
[12:30:20] <crutchy> yeah i was just thinking that if i needed an extension to php i'd prolly just go with something like delphi :-P
[12:29:54] <crutchy> maybe
[12:29:54] <xlefay> (although, of course, it's better to just learn C itself I suppose)
[12:29:38] <xlefay> The fun thing is, if you don't know C but you need a quick 'n dirty extension for php, Zephir will help you do that
[12:28:53] <crutchy> especially coming from a delphi/pascal background
[12:28:29] <crutchy> yeah
[12:28:27] <crutchy> i don't mind a bit loose, but not declaring variables is too loose
[12:28:22] <xlefay> excessively loose I'd say
[12:28:04] <crutchy> that's one aspect of php that seems a bit loose
[12:27:51] <crutchy> i do like the idea of declaring variables though
[12:27:01] <crutchy> "hmm we're making up a new language, but we want to be different to js... instead of var, lets use... err... let :-)"
[12:26:23] <xlefay> it does eh
[12:26:20] <xlefay> I'm curious if it actually does as they say, might be useful in quickly writing some extensions
[12:26:18] <crutchy> "let" sounds a bit silly
[12:25:31] <xlefay> Read on about Zephir though :)
[12:25:27] <crutchy> :-P
[12:25:16] <crutchy> oop... frameworks... *shudders*
[12:24:36] <crutchy> oh yeah i think that name rings a bell
[12:24:33] <xlefay> http://blog.phalconphp.com "introducing Zephir"
[12:24:24] <xlefay> Zephir*
[12:24:09] <xlefay> Definitely C & Perl ;)
[12:24:08] <crutchy> nope
[12:23:58] <xlefay> Did you ever hear of Zyper?
[12:23:58] <crutchy> nah php is c having sex with... err..., perl maybe
[12:23:38] <crutchy> lol
[12:23:33] <xlefay> Or maybe, PHP is the spawn of those two?
[12:23:05] <crutchy> if forth had sex with perl, i reckon that brainfuck language might pop out
[12:22:52] <xlefay> Quite well, I'm first going to the qdb stuff today and then look into puppet and the likes before continuing with other things :)
[12:22:19] <crutchy> i'm good. how are you xlefay? how's the server monitoring stuff going?
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[12:21:58] <xlefay> It has a certain flair of neatness about it, but it's most definitely a brainfuck if you're actually writing in whatever it is
[12:21:32] <crutchy> kinda reminds me of forth
[12:21:32] <xlefay> how are you guys by the way? ;)
[12:21:24] <crutchy> yeah that's some bent up code
[12:20:31] <Bender> karma - alberto: 1
[12:20:31] <xlefay> Alberto++ now: https://raw.githubusercontent.com this, I can appreciate! The question is "does it really work?"
[12:20:24] <MrBluze> lol yes
[12:20:01] <xlefay> MrBluze, or early depending on your TZ :P
[12:19:22] <xlefay> I don't care if you do it with a few people or just a few times in a row, but if you're seriously going to bacon++ for more than 15 minutes on your one you might find I will be less appreciative, after all ## is my channel :)
[12:19:07] <MrBluze> late for coffee
[12:17:54] * crutchy is making coffee right now :-)
[12:17:21] <crutchy> or less
[12:17:13] <crutchy> something like 200-odd
[12:17:02] <crutchy> i think i was quite lame on the bacon++ tally
[12:16:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 6
[12:16:44] <xlefay> coffee++
[12:16:42] <xlefay> Then I won't be taking excessive (ban!) measures to stop you :P
[12:16:17] <crutchy> :-P
[12:16:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5
[12:16:14] <crutchy> coffee++ that is
[12:16:09] <crutchy> i did it for a while though
[12:16:01] <crutchy> don't think so
[12:15:12] <xlefay> well you didn't do it for 30 minutes or 4 hours hours straight, now did you? :)
[12:14:40] <crutchy> yeah the latest journal
[12:14:31] <crutchy> sorry about that xlefay... i was party to that
[12:13:22] <xlefay> You mean the one in his journal?
[12:11:02] <xlefay> Yeah, I've been looking at enabling a damn anti-flood function in Bender, want to get rid of excessive spamming
[12:09:58] <crutchy> minus all the karma/spam bs
[12:09:44] <crutchy> nothing fancy but i wanna have a go at including his algo
[12:09:28] <crutchy> prospectacle has got me onto a voting bot
[12:08:56] <xlefay> website, so to speak
[12:08:49] <xlefay> Not quite, it'll just be an interface where community members can up/down vote quotes; and yea, I hope - we can put them on the SN site as quotes eventually :p
[12:08:17] <crutchy> and posting top quotes to SN
[12:08:00] <crutchy> you making some kida bot that keeps track of quote votes or something xlefay?
[12:07:12] <xlefay> ha
[12:07:05] <SedBot> <crutchy> with my glowballs
[12:07:05] <crutchy> s/b/g/
[12:07:01] <crutchy> with my blowballs
[12:06:59] <xlefay> MrBluze, yeah, in that context - delays or disregarding stuff is the proper way to go
[12:06:44] <crutchy> except i get away without using delays just cos i'm awzome :-P
[12:06:29] <MrBluze> MrBluze: yeah, or unless there is flood protection in a channel
[12:06:19] <xlefay> Oh you know, going to build that little qdb before getting real stuff done ;)
[12:06:13] <crutchy> lol like me :-P
[12:06:02] <crutchy> how goes :-)
[12:05:56] <xlefay> MrBluze, delays in between aren't needed perse unless you don't parse the numerics & output from the IRCd correctly ;)
[12:05:52] <crutchy> g'day xlefay
[12:05:38] <xlefay> morning :)
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[11:27:55] <Alberto> HAHAHAHA
[11:27:47] <crutchy> ....and that's why i became an engineer
[11:26:53] <crutchy> lol
[11:26:48] <Alberto> IRC bot in Brain Fuck language
[11:26:44] <crutchy> cya alberto
[11:26:42] <Alberto> crutchy, https://raw.githubusercontent.com
[11:26:30] <crutchy> have fun :-)
[11:26:20] <crutchy> oooook
[11:26:03] * Alberto will do his bot in brainfuck
[11:25:57] <Alberto> see you later
[11:25:54] <Alberto> lol
[11:25:53] <Alberto> 3 hours til work time
[11:25:48] <Alberto> need2sleep
[11:24:33] <crutchy> definitely over the honeymoon hump
[11:24:12] <crutchy> wow arti's irc stats are looking a bit sad
[11:23:57] <MrBluze> oh
[11:23:02] <crutchy> - brick top
[11:22:53] <crutchy> "be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm"
[11:22:31] <Alberto> :D
[11:22:31] <Alberto> just walking all over my farm
[11:22:26] <Alberto> means kg's of bacon
[11:22:20] <Alberto> got the pig farm
[11:20:55] <crutchy> rhindless too :-)
[11:20:42] <crutchy> yumm
[11:20:40] <crutchy> 750g of it
[11:20:29] <crutchy> i bought some bacon today
[11:19:29] <crutchy> xlefay's alright
[11:19:13] <crutchy> xlefay might hurt me though
[11:19:08] <crutchy> i was thinkiing about doing a little mini-bender for karma
[11:18:47] <crutchy> lol
[11:18:41] <Alberto> we need bacon++
[11:18:37] <Alberto> MrBluze, karma
[11:18:25] <crutchy> !blastoff!
[11:18:12] <crutchy> launch command
[11:18:02] <MrBluze> what kind of command system Alberto?
[11:17:40] <crutchy> not long enough for a ping pong dc
[11:17:32] <crutchy> after about a minute or so
[11:17:20] <crutchy> i had some dc troubles putting the read cmd in the while condition
[11:17:13] <MrBluze> and then your code will look like mine lol
[11:17:07] <MrBluze> u can just not put braces on the same line
[11:16:31] <crutchy> i like c, but i can't get my head around that way of putting braces on the same line as other shit
[11:16:15] <Alberto> or crutchy
[11:16:14] <Alberto> want2help me there?! :P
[11:16:10] <Alberto> MrBluze, need to implement a simple "command" system
[11:15:49] <Bender> karma - c: 15
[11:15:49] <MrBluze> c++
[11:15:47] <MrBluze> oo.. C
[11:15:15] <Alberto> MrBluze, http://pastebin.ca
[11:15:01] <crutchy> but i use globals :-P
[11:14:52] <crutchy> i haven't needed delays in my bots
[11:14:38] <MrBluze> but probably xlefay will contradict me on that lol
[11:14:28] <crutchy> less likely to alarm the floodometer :-P
[11:14:18] <Alberto> its the join part
[11:14:01] <MrBluze> several msec
[11:13:56] <MrBluze> its better to put delays in between commands also
[11:13:51] <Alberto> :D
[11:13:51] <Alberto> and done
[11:13:50] <Alberto> replaced NICK with JOIN and changed nick x chan
[11:13:35] <Alberto> sprintf(buf, "NICK %s\r\n", nick);
[11:13:29] <Alberto> fixed it
[11:13:10] <MrBluze> dunno if that is monetized or not
[11:13:05] <MrBluze> oh okay
[11:13:00] <crutchy> wow that's some mighty fine jibberish you got there alberto :-P
[11:12:31] <Alberto> sprintf(buf, "MODE %s +B\r\nJOIN %s\r\n", nick, chan); <-- getting an error there bcz my bot didn't join #
[11:12:18] <Alberto> i'm using that one
[11:12:17] <crutchy> they are what drove me to adblock
[11:12:14] <Alberto> MrBluze, the chrome one
[11:12:06] <crutchy> :-P
[11:12:04] <crutchy> apparently
[11:12:01] <MrBluze> it's a monetized version, Alberto
[11:11:59] <Popeidol> there are ads on youtube?
[11:11:48] <MrBluze> and tracking
[11:11:47] <crutchy> haven't seen a youtube ad for god knows how long :-D
[11:11:45] <MrBluze> abp is fine but it lets some ads through
[11:11:44] <Alberto> edge*
[11:11:41] <Alberto> whats better on adge?
[11:11:36] <Alberto> never had issues with mine
[11:11:19] <MrBluze> edge is better
[11:11:14] <crutchy> i use adblock edge, but same diff
[11:11:00] <crutchy> lol is that why i didn't have any trouble
[11:10:50] <Alberto> :p
[11:10:49] <Alberto> Thank god for AdBlockPlus
[11:10:46] <crutchy> programmers trying to be artists, or some shit
[11:10:22] <crutchy> i didn't have any trouble with it, but yeah most js is stupid
[11:09:15] <NCommander> crutchy, wow, if a site ever called for noscript, it was that one
[11:08:58] <crutchy> !updatestats
[11:01:28] <crutchy> Why Commenting Code Is Still a Bad Idea => http://visualstudiomagazine.com
[10:59:49] <crutchy> hmm
[10:59:46] <crutchy> pretty quiet in here
[10:15:16] <Alberto> NCommander, i send you a notice
[10:14:01] <Alberto> it will be fast
[10:13:56] <Alberto> so i avoid spam non-soylent stuff here
[10:13:46] <Alberto> Can you join # a second please?
[10:13:38] * NCommander is writing posts for tomorrow
[10:13:33] <NCommander> Alberto, s
[10:13:26] <Alberto> NCommander, are you there?
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[09:22:51] <alberto> just do a /join #
[09:22:47] <alberto> not ##
[09:22:45] <alberto> is #
[09:22:43] <alberto> i mean
[09:22:36] <SedBot> <critchy> can't talk on ##
[09:22:36] <crutchy> s/l/lk/
[09:22:33] * SedBot offers cretchy a /
[09:22:33] <crutchy> s/l/lk
[09:22:27] <crutchy> can't tal on ##
[09:21:33] <alberto> so talk a little there
[09:21:28] <alberto> join #
[09:20:58] <crutchy> u?
[09:20:56] <crutchy> i'm ok
[09:20:32] <alberto> how are you?
[09:20:16] <alberto> howdy m8
[09:20:11] <alberto> crutchy, sup
[09:20:08] <crutchy> hi albert
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[09:16:22] <crutchy> but lots :-P
[09:16:16] <crutchy> well i didn't count
[09:16:03] <crutchy> friggin hundreds of messages
[09:15:50] <crutchy> i been spammed by soylent github
[09:15:12] <crutchy> i opened my hotmail today after a few weeks
[09:14:51] <MrBluze> probably good
[09:14:45] <MrBluze> oh..
[09:14:26] <crutchy> good for company i guess
[09:14:01] <crutchy> contracted
[09:13:48] <crutchy> guys going offsite
[09:13:34] <MrBluze> oh.. how so?
[09:13:00] <crutchy> my office is getting emptier
[09:12:32] <crutchy> touch wood
[09:12:21] <MrBluze> busy days but for some reason nothing terrible has happened for some time now
[09:12:10] <MrBluze> yep im good too
[09:11:25] <crutchy> and u?
[09:11:21] <crutchy> i'm good thanks mrbluze
[09:05:09] <MrBluze> how u doin mate
[09:05:00] <MrBluze> hi crutchy
[08:59:52] <crutchy> g'day soylent
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[08:02:06] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I don't think it's working yet....
[07:59:42] * Subsentient cheers
[07:53:42] <mrcoolbp> possibly
[07:51:37] <NCommander> ^- everyone
[07:51:35] <NCommander> Say goodbye to moderator_or_post, you can now moderate AND post
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[06:57:55] <drgibbon> maybe not quite enough moved over from /. ?
[06:51:56] <mrcoolbp> ALL: we need story submissions, we are real low
[06:50:30] <mrcoolbp> we are thinking about running the server on a TI-83
[06:46:10] <chromas> Ooh, are there any plans for April first? Maybe invert the trim colors and write "beta"
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[06:23:49] <drgibbon> about
[06:23:46] <drgibbon> not such a big thing in Aus, forgot abut that
[06:23:20] <drgibbon> k
[06:23:19] <drgibbon> haha ahh o
[06:23:14] <mrcoolbp> april 1st drgibbon
[06:22:36] <drgibbon> why two days?
[06:12:03] <mattie_p> mrs mattie_p says no one would believe it in two days, better to run it now anyway
[06:10:45] * mrcoolbp shrugs
[06:04:41] <mattie_p> wow, we couldn't have saved this one for two days?
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[01:11:32] <Alberto> xlefay, no problem men, you can put the channel in the end of where you know
[01:11:14] <xlefay> Now, please get over yourself
[01:11:11] <Alberto> and talk and hide from poutine
[01:11:08] <xlefay> No, he isn't. The "spamming" stuff started as a joke; not a serious subject
[01:11:05] <Alberto> we spam and fith over karma
[01:10:56] <Alberto> i was there when was created
[01:10:47] <Alberto> ur wrong
[01:10:39] <Cyprus> it's a non work / soylent channel
[01:10:31] <Cyprus> it's not a spam channel
[01:10:28] <Cyprus> i've been called out for spam in that channel playing with sedbot
[01:10:11] <Alberto> moron
[01:10:09] <Alberto> "i did the channel" bla bla bla
[01:10:04] <Alberto> and this moron bans me just "bcz"
[01:09:58] <Alberto> and we are playing a bacon fight
[01:09:53] <Alberto> he did a channel where we spam
[01:09:48] * xlefay sighs
[01:09:46] <Alberto> Yes
[01:09:38] <Alberto> we are getting fun and you act like an idiot
[01:09:36] <Cyprus> are we seriously arguing over getting banned from someone's side channel?
[01:09:19] <Alberto> and if you are not the one spamming is bad?
[01:09:13] <Alberto> You did the channel for that
[01:09:08] <Alberto> AND?
[01:09:03] <xlefay> Says the one who spammed the channel for 3 or 4 hours straight yesterday ;-)
[01:09:00] <Alberto> fuck you
[01:08:59] <Alberto> thanks for show me how moron you are
[01:08:50] <Alberto> put your channel in the middle of your ass
[01:08:40] <Alberto> you are a fucking kid
[01:08:25] <xlefay> Alberto, ## is my channel - and I don't give a shit about people spamming it as much as you do. If you want to spam a channel, go make your own. ## is _no_ longer the place to do that.
[01:07:42] <Alberto> xlefay, thats right, don't say anything moron
[01:04:31] <Alberto> xlefay, great attitude boy
[00:45:10] <Alberto> sup arti!
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[00:08:33] <Alberto> fuck kobach