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[23:57:26] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Dawn Wells - Wikipedia
[23:57:25] <Bytram> =g Dawn Wells
[23:36:59] <Bytram> Beg-o-Meter is now at $2308.77 (65.9%) of $3500.00; dated: [2020-07-01 00:00:00 .. 2020-12-31 23:00:06 UTC]; SPIDs: [1408 .. 1508]
[23:31:26] * Bytram is updating Beg-o-Meter
[23:11:39] <Bytram> I mean, Google probably has income from every single time zone. My brain is starting to hurt just thinking about it.
[23:10:32] <Bytram> Must make things a tad interesting for huge multi-national companies.
[23:09:35] <requerdanos> that harmonizes with those physical institutions, sure
[23:09:18] <Bytram> I'm going to guess it's Eastern (Standard) Time for the nonce
[23:08:35] <Bytram> I wonder what timezone is the basis for SoylentNews' fiscal year? Eastern Time? (Have our bank in Massachusetts; we are incorporated in Delaware) or UTC?
[21:51:30] * Bytram just made some small, last-minute tweaks and additions to the year-end wrap-up; https://soylentnews.org
[21:43:15] <Bytram> commencing holiday/weekend story spacing
[21:35:18] <requerdanos> you're very welcome.
[21:34:59] <Bytram> requerdanos: thanks for your help!!!
[21:34:38] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 258
[21:34:38] <Bytram> teamwork++
[21:27:45] <Bytram> break time; back in a few minutes
[21:27:00] <Bytram> Huh? Oh, no! I had just sent it out to the cleaners!
[21:26:28] <Bytram> that was my mistake, I should have set the story as NOT display until we both had a chance to double-check things!
[21:26:02] <requerdanos> it is wholesome and good. glad you have that asbestos suit, which I hope you don't need
[21:23:03] <Bytram> I'm out -- go for it!
[21:22:32] <SedBot> <requerdanos> how do I not see the typo when editing but see it fine when live, "It was only after a had undergone a few days' training"
[21:22:32] <requerdanos> s/the\ type/the\ typo/
[21:22:08] <requerdanos> how do I not see the type when editing but see it fine when live, "It was only after a had undergone a few days' training"
[21:18:54] <Bytram> done'
[21:18:36] <requerdanos> I am out of it if you want to put those sentences in there
[21:17:23] <Bytram> yep
[21:16:38] <requerdanos> requerdanos: here's a time slot for you: 2020-12-31 21:15:00
[21:16:24] <Bytram> am not understanding.. whoah!
[21:16:16] <requerdanos> well, it's live
[21:15:42] <Bytram> I need to add this somewhere: "There is also the matter of following guidelines so that the site has a consistent layout (aka look-and-feel). Then, too, scheduling stories was functional, but unforgiving of errors."
[21:14:32] <requerdanos> "The topics area looks odd"
[21:10:32] <Bytram> oops, nope! great catch
[21:10:14] <requerdanos> seems an odd place for one.
[21:09:57] <Bytram> prolly.
[21:09:34] <requerdanos> supposed to be a paragraph break between "please subscribe" and "if you can"?
[21:08:56] <Bytram> requerdanos: here's a time slot for you: 2020-12-31 21:15:00
[21:07:46] <requerdanos> ok, moment
[21:07:27] <systemd> ^ 03Year-End-Wrapup: SoylentNews Submission
[21:07:25] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:07:18] <Bytram> requerdanos: there you go!
[21:05:38] <requerdanos> I'll be here.
[21:05:32] <Bytram> will you be able to 2nd it for me?
[21:05:22] <Bytram> I'll have a new story ready in ~5 minutes
[21:05:03] <requerdanos> yes...
[21:04:57] <Bytram> requerdanos: you around?
[21:04:44] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 13
[21:04:44] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[20:56:51] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia
[20:56:50] <Bytram> =g Dunning-Kruger
[20:51:11] <requerdanos> in my considered opinion, working in 2-3 words about the article/thread topic into one's spam screed doesn't necessarily make it "on topic" and no longer spam. Just sayin'.
[20:21:37] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Constant illumination at the lunar north pole | Nature
[20:21:36] <Bytram> =g peary north pole newspaper advertisement -claim
[20:21:12] <systemd> https://www.latimes.com - Team to Test Peary's North Pole Claim : Arctic: Traveling by dog sled ...
[20:21:11] <Bytram> =g peary north pole newspaper advertisement
[20:20:48] <systemd> https://www.latimes.com - Polar Experts Ease Doubts Over Tainted Peary Claims - Los ...
[20:20:47] <Bytram> =g peary north pole advertisement
[20:13:55] <systemd> Defamation (also known as calumny, vilification, libel, slander, traducement or injury) is the oral or written communication of a false statement about - https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:13:54] <Bytram> =w libel
[20:13:48] <systemd> Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from - https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:13:47] <Bytram> =w fair use
[19:39:17] <Bytram> k
[19:39:02] <requerdanos> time for a brief word in pm?
[19:33:07] <requerdanos> awesome.
[19:32:34] <Bytram> working on it even as we speak
[19:32:19] <requerdanos> you have a meta story coming out today?
[19:31:03] <Bytram> enjoy!
[19:24:51] <requerdanos> thanks for that. I was just makin some popcorn
[19:23:03] * Bytram just updated the Beg-o-Meter
[14:51:39] <Bytram> would prolly be good to mention in #dev
[14:51:05] <Bytram> I appreciate that, and your keen observations! Do keep mentioning whatever you find; "fresh eyes" are fresh but once.
[14:49:46] <requerdanos> it can wait five more years if you like. just pointing out something odd that I noticed :)
[14:49:23] <Bytram> this is going to take a bunch of time to investigate further. I'd like to write up one fundraiser story before year-end. Can this wait for a day or two?
[14:48:43] <requerdanos> Today is an important day in my apprentice editor training.
[14:41:01] <requerdanos> yes.
[14:40:55] <Bytram> So, you do see it, now?
[14:40:28] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:40:20] <requerdanos> wasn't there last night when I went to bed
[14:39:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:39:44] <Bytram> requerdanos: Unrelated, but I noticed the MRJE Slashbox returned?!!! Any idea of when that happened?
[14:39:21] <requerdanos> I assume there is something like an intermediate table with three-ish fields, id, storyid, and topicid.
[14:38:33] <Bytram> Well, a printout of a LDM (Logical Data Model) would go a long way, too.
[14:37:47] <requerdanos> yeah you'd need a reference book to decode that
[14:37:20] <Bytram> I mean that SHOW TABLES only lists 185 rows!
[14:36:04] <Bytram> now that you mention it, you DO have a point there!
[14:34:03] <requerdanos> it's a nontrivial datebase and dataset both
[14:33:30] <Bytram> I am much more familiar with the DB, now, but far from fully fluent.
[14:32:44] <Bytram> good question. I don't know. NCommander added in Nexuses something like a year or so into the site's history. It was something I struggled to grok for quite a while, and prolly still do not fully understand.
[14:28:59] <requerdanos> that makes semi-good sense. I wonder how the pre-baked search by topic works, and whether it looks at, say, all linked topics or just the first one, or just an arbitrary but single one
[14:28:02] <Bytram> this is going to be a bit messy. As you may have noticed, Topic and Nexus are commingled in the same table. Further, each story can be in more than one Nexus and more that one topic.
[14:26:09] <Bytram> .
[14:23:28] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[14:23:26] <Bytram> mysql>
[14:23:24] <Bytram> 25 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[14:23:22] <Bytram> +-----+-------------------+--------------------+-------------+------------+---------------+
[14:23:20] <Bytram> | 29 | communityreviews | Community Reviews | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:16] <Bytram> | 26 | politics | Politics | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:14] <Bytram> | 25 | meta | Meta | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:12] <Bytram> | 24 | breakingnews | Breaking News | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:10] <Bytram> | 23 | rehash | Rehash | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:08] <Bytram> | 22 | nodisplay_nexuses | Nexuses | no | no | no |
[14:23:06] <Bytram> | 21 | nodisplaytopics | Topics | no | no | no |
[14:23:04] <Bytram> | 19 | career_education | Career & Education | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:02] <Bytram> | 18 | techonomics | Techonomics | yes | yes | yes |
[14:23:00] <Bytram> | 16 | software | Software | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:58] <Bytram> | 15 | security | Security | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:56] <Bytram> | 14 | science | Science | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:54] <Bytram> | 13 | mobile | Mobile | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:52] <Bytram> | 12 | business | Business | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:50] <Bytram> | 11 | os | OS | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:46] <Bytram> | 10 | random | /dev/random | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:44] <Bytram> | 9 | hardware | Hardware | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:42] <Bytram> | 8 | soylent | Soylent | no | yes | yes |
[14:22:40] <Bytram> | 7 | reviews | Reviews | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:38] <Bytram> | 6 | news | News | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:36] <Bytram> | 5 | code | Code | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:34] <Bytram> | 4 | slash | Slash | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:32] <Bytram> | 3 | liberty | Digital Liberty | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:30] <Bytram> | 2 | answers | Answers | yes | yes | yes |
[14:22:30] <Bytram> | 1 | nodisplaymainpage | The Main Page | no | yes | no |
[14:22:30] <Bytram> +-----+-------------------+--------------------+-------------+------------+---------------+
[14:22:30] <Bytram> | tid | keyword | textname | submittable | searchable | storypickable |
[14:22:30] <Bytram> +-----+-------------------+--------------------+-------------+------------+---------------+
[14:22:29] <Bytram> mysql> select tid, keyword, textname, submittable, searchable, storypickable from topics order by tid ;
[14:22:27] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[14:13:37] <requerdanos> "Answers, Operations, and Finances" definitely has topic meta, so one would think it would show up in a search for meta, for specific example. https://soylentnews.org
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[14:12:31] * Bytram hops over to the DB
[14:12:19] <requerdanos> I mean, a better search would be topic = rehash|soylent|slash|meta but leaving that aside
[14:11:15] <Bytram> so, that confirms that suspicion, good.
[14:11:01] <requerdanos> (as a topic)
[14:10:52] <requerdanos> same results searching both pages for meta.
[14:09:56] <Bytram> Okay, starting from "Topics" just acts as a shortcut to Search with specific values pre-selected
[14:07:24] <requerdanos> this put quite the monkey wrench into my catching up on meta post history.
[14:06:48] <Bytram> hmm
[14:06:00] <requerdanos> only nine posts appear in the search for topic meta, which frankly can't be and isn't right according to what one would expect
[14:04:32] <requerdanos> seems to be irrespective of nexus because some of the meta topic stories that appear in the search are main page
[14:04:12] <requerdanos> posts that are both /dev/random and meta do not show up
[14:03:56] <Bytram> my first thought is that the stories were originally categorized as "Main Page" and then later had the "Meta" Nexus added later.
[14:03:46] <requerdanos> posts that are only meta seem to show up in the topic search
[14:02:22] <Bytram> Hmmm, I have an idea of what might be happening... go on.
[14:01:39] <requerdanos> noticed something missing: The two meta posts from december
[14:01:23] <requerdanos> main page, topics, clicked meta
[14:01:11] <requerdanos> I decided yesterday to search for meta posts to "catch up" on any I missed over the last year or so.
[14:00:34] <Bytram> ummm, not really.. but... what's up?
[14:00:01] <requerdanos> bytram, want to follow me down a rabbit hole?
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[08:17:08] <chromas> must me my l33t editorial skillz0rz
[08:16:58] <chromas> only a couple seconds between reskey and submission
[08:16:49] <chromas> worked
[08:16:22] <Bytram> have a great night!
[08:16:14] <Bytram> and now to bed for realz!
[08:16:01] <Bytram> hth!
[08:15:42] <Bytram> Hmmm, try coding it like ethernet CDMA(?) collision detection? Try no wait. if no luck, then try again after 1 second, then 2 seconds, 4, 8, etc.
[08:15:13] <chromas> oh I should use the phpoo script to submit 'cause that's faster
[08:15:03] <chromas> dunno what the delay was though
[08:14:43] <chromas> neato
[08:13:42] <Bytram> try it! Say 10 seconds
[08:13:13] <chromas> Without at least a 20 second delay between loading an empty submission form and submitting it?
[08:12:49] <Bytram> IIRC
[08:12:24] <Bytram> back on winders, I could sub comments as fast as I could push them out.
[08:12:13] <chromas> Don't forget to sleep();
[08:11:42] * chromas should add a =dev-sub function
[08:11:29] <chromas> probably not since the privilege escalation
[08:11:07] <Bytram> have you tried it recently?
[08:10:51] <chromas> Yes; otherwise the submit will fail
[08:10:39] <Bytram> so, you DO have a hard-coded delay?
[08:10:25] <chromas> I think I tested it though and it still required the delay
[08:10:11] <chromas> it does have subscriber status
[08:10:04] <chromas> hm, or maybe having semi-editor privilege removes that. not sure
[08:09:40] <chromas> Butt there'd probably have to be sum speshul snowflake exception programmed in
[08:08:59] <chromas> The reason it'd be nice for the bot to skip it is the bot could generate one fewer messages when submitting
[08:08:22] <chromas> There's a required delay between acquiring a resource key and using it to submit
[08:07:56] <Bytram> the bot has subscriber status, right?
[08:07:21] <Bytram> chromas: how long is the delay? I thought it was just processing overhead?
[08:05:28] * chromas wishes that submission delay could be removed for the bot
[08:02:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Looking at Buildings Can Actually Give People Headaches. Here's Why" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:02:14] <systemd> Submitting "Looking at buildings can actually give people headaches. Here's why"...
[08:02:12] <Bytram> =asub What is the view like from where you live and work? https://www.cnn.com
[07:44:45] <systemd> ^ 03Looking at buildings can actually give people headaches. Here's why ( https://www.cnn.com )
[07:44:43] <Bytram> http://rss.cnn.com
[07:23:37] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Agamemnon - Wikipedia
[07:23:36] <Bytram> =g agamemnon
[06:55:13] <systemd> https://americanart.si.edu - You Have Not Converted a Man Because You Have Silenced Him ...
[06:55:12] <Bytram> =g "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him" -philosiblog
[06:51:48] <systemd> https://sfist.com - Local Attorney Sues Facebook for Blocking His Account Over and ...
[06:51:47] <Bytram> =g just because you have silenced an opponent does not mean you have won him over -philosiblog
[06:51:24] <systemd> https://philosiblog.com - You have not converted a man because you have silenced him ...
[06:51:23] <Bytram> =g just because you have silenced an opponent does not mean you have won him over
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[05:37:29] <mrpg> Bye take care
[05:36:38] <mrpg> Ok I set it to no display please someone check it. This would be my 1200 story. I set it to 14:30 utc
[05:08:56] <mrpg> The original source for the seconds sub is reuters.
[05:07:26] <mrpg> I merged two stories and the text says submissions deleted, i had a mini stroke then i read the rest of the message: "merged".
[05:06:32] <mrpg> Let's see if i remember how to do this...
[04:58:46] <mrpg> I could do that one merged with "Picking Quarrels & Provoking Trouble" - China Slams Journalist With 4 Years in Jail Over COVID Repo "
[04:58:29] <mrpg> Weren't we making one covid per day?
[04:56:52] <mrpg> what up. I'll do " China clamps down in hidden hunt for coronavirus origins"
[04:56:17] <mrpg> Hello
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[01:24:57] <systemd> Journal Reference: The lunar surface as a recorder of astrophysical processes, <cite>Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1098/rsta.2019.0562">10.1098/rsta.2019.0562</a>)
[01:24:55] <requerdanos> =cite 10.1098/rsta.2019.0562
[01:24:33] <requerdanos> fair enough.
[01:24:26] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[01:24:25] <systemd> Journal Reference: 
[01:24:25] <requerdanos> =cite Journal Reference: Kyrylo Snizhko, Parveen Kumar, Alessandro Romito. Quantum Zeno effect appears in stages [open], <cite>Physical Review Research</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512">10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512</a>)
[00:59:58] <systemd> Journal Reference: Kyrylo Snizhko, Parveen Kumar, Alessandro Romito. Quantum Zeno effect appears in stages [open], <cite>Physical Review Research</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512">10.1103/PhysRevResearch.2.033512</a>)
[00:59:56] <requerdanos> =cite https://doi.org
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