#editorial | Logs for 2020-03-21

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[23:36:07] <systemd> https://www.nature.com - Estimating food production in an urban landscape | Scientific Reports
[23:36:06] <Bytram> =g "Estimating food production in an urban landscape"
[23:35:45] <exec> └─ 13303 See Other
[23:35:41] <Bytram> =cite https://www.nature.com
[23:35:16] <Bytram> okaaay
[23:35:07] <exec> └─ 13303 See Other
[23:35:03] <Bytram> =cite https://doi.org
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[20:13:04] <Fnord666> give S a hug for me as well
[20:12:49] <Fnord666> good night and pleasant dreams
[20:12:34] <Fnord666> l8r
[20:12:27] <janrinok> k, cu then
[20:12:21] <Fnord666> that sounds like a plan
[20:10:18] <janrinok> well, time for my bed too. Thanks for the chat, perhaps catch up with you again tomorrow?
[20:09:02] <janrinok> but I should really getting the summer veggies in the ground by now.
[20:08:43] <janrinok> still got plenty of time for the path once we are allowed to go purchase the necessary bits and pieces so that is still achievable this year
[20:07:55] <Fnord666> and yeah, plans have a way of doing that
[20:06:53] <Fnord666> that would be a cool project
[20:06:11] <janrinok> I was hoping to put a permanent pathway around it all so that S could get out in her wheelchair but my plans for this year seem to be slipping away ;)
[20:05:44] <Fnord666> nice
[20:05:17] <janrinok> I do have a large garden that is divided into a formal garden, an area for veggies and fruit trees, and a wild patch which attracts lots of wildlife
[20:04:12] <janrinok> S is off to sleep now.
[20:03:57] <janrinok> I didn't grow veggies last year nor do I intend to this unless the virus goes quickly - the seed shops are not open now.
[19:58:49] <Fnord666> and i meant sooner rather than later on the vaccine, not as in see you later.
[19:56:51] <Fnord666> do you have a vegetable garden?
[19:55:19] <Fnord666> later
[19:55:16] <Fnord666> late
[19:55:13] <Fnord666> hopefully they will have a vaccine sooner rather than late
[19:54:11] <janrinok> that's very kind of you, many thanks. We have two cases within 1km or so but we suspect it will spread eventually
[19:53:22] <Fnord666> even more so these days
[19:53:18] <janrinok> yep, she is tired after about 6pm but she likes to watch nature programs etc
[19:53:09] <Fnord666> You two are never far from my thoughts
[19:52:50] <Fnord666> and that's good to hear
[19:52:41] <Fnord666> gotcha
[19:52:29] <janrinok> she is coping well, I'm just waiting for her to fall asleep and then I can go to bed myself. I can hear the TV but she _might_ have fallen asleep watching it. I'll check in a minute or two
[19:51:55] <Fnord666> ah, good old mandatory retirement
[19:51:37] <janrinok> you have to retire from the military at 55, so I am making the most of my retirement!
[19:51:32] <Fnord666> How is S doing?
[19:50:52] <Fnord666> nice!
[19:50:44] <janrinok> retired years ago!
[19:50:18] <Fnord666> yourself?
[19:49:59] <janrinok> understood
[19:49:34] <Fnord666> I mean techincally I did a little work but I wasn't "working"
[19:49:17] <Fnord666> fortunately I can work from home
[19:49:08] <Fnord666> not today
[19:48:56] <janrinok> were you working today?
[19:47:55] <Fnord666> exactly
[19:47:48] <janrinok> plenty of things to keep me busy inside the home, but they are not all things that I want to do!
[19:47:25] <Fnord666> working from home and not going anywhere that is non-essential
[19:47:08] <Fnord666> same here
[19:46:52] <janrinok> I've not gone stir crazy yet - in fact I managed to get about 40 minutes exercise/gardening in today. Other than that, we are pretty restricted when it comes to going outside the home.
[19:43:19] <janrinok> yep, but it is the end of my day
[19:43:06] <janrinok> hi Fnord666
[19:38:52] <Fnord666> hope everyone is doing well
[19:37:52] <Fnord666> howdy Bytram janrinok
[19:36:09] <janrinok> depends on how you walk ....
[19:35:57] <Bytram> =)
[19:35:55] <Bytram> whatevah!
[19:35:47] <Bytram> obrigada
[19:35:44] <Bytram> obrigado
[19:34:49] <janrinok> thanks, and I hope you have a good day after your nap
[19:34:27] <janrinok> I'll go and check in a moment - she might have fallen asleep watching TV - but I will pass your best wishes on as soon as I can
[19:34:22] <Bytram> and may you have a full and restful night, as well!
[19:33:47] <Bytram> give her a pinch for me, eh? On second thought, better not, let her fall peacefully to sleep.
[19:33:25] <janrinok> not tired enough apparently
[19:33:16] <Bytram> nodnod
[19:33:09] * Bytram is even too tried to come up wiht a guord pun
[19:33:04] <janrinok> just waiting for S to say that she has had enough for today, and then I will be soon tucked up in my own bed
[19:32:43] <Bytram> grate mimes think alike
[19:32:08] <Bender> karma - naps: 9
[19:32:08] <Bytram> naps++
[19:32:03] <Bender> karma - nhaps: 1
[19:32:03] <Bytram> nhaps++
[19:32:02] <janrinok> it's almost time for my bed
[19:32:01] <chromas> breadcrumbs is a thing in ui
[19:31:58] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 139
[19:31:58] <Bytram> Fnord666++ thanks for taking up the slack when I gave out last night!
[19:31:30] <Bytram> anyway, I'm fading fast and think I'll take a nap.
[19:31:12] <Bytram> I want to say it the name was something like railroad or crumbs or some such.
[19:30:45] <chromas> Sounds like it's time to start deleting code. A good time will be had by all.
[19:30:39] <janrinok> perhaps one day we will have the time...
[19:29:50] <Bytram> given how much of the early days was just trying to find ANY paths through the code that worked, I'm sure a bunch of "dark corridors" were walled off until they could be examined and cleaned up later... and later never comes. So, here be dragons!
[19:28:03] <janrinok> that's the QA in you talking...
[19:27:46] <Bytram> =)
[19:27:41] <janrinok> good idea - but I didn't know it existed
[19:27:39] <Bytram> Oh,l what I am saying is the code should still be there. We just need to turn it on, and see how well it doesn't work.
[19:27:10] <Bytram> When there were 100+ comments to a story, I might click so as to only select the +5 or +4 and up, so as to get a selection that I cold read in a reasonable amount of time.
[19:26:45] <janrinok> I suppose if I had the time I could wade through the code looking for similar functions
[19:25:57] <Bytram> came from /.
[19:25:41] <janrinok> that's not one that I can remember ever using
[19:25:34] <Bytram> click on one of the numbers to start off with that as your (?) threshold.
[19:25:06] <Bytram> OTOH, there is a toggle which enables "subcounts" of links to comments. "0, 2, 6, 12, 23, 6 Comments" Means there were 0 comments modded 5, 2 modded 6, ... and 6 moderated to -1.
[19:23:36] <janrinok> but I'll bet that some people don't know that either
[19:23:13] <Bytram> easier target is the entire story title.
[19:23:11] <janrinok> chromas, yep, you are right there! lol
[19:22:58] * Bytram has a few higher-priority items on his plate.
[19:22:54] <janrinok> I had completely forgotten the clicking of the comment count function
[19:22:31] <janrinok> Yep, I had a play with it. We need to produce a guide on all the possible click options on a normal story page that produce different actions.
[19:22:23] <chromas> Nobody like languages without exceptions. Except a few people.
[19:21:49] <Bytram> ;0
[19:21:45] <Bytram> almost universally nobody uses it?
[19:21:16] <Bytram> btw, I don't recall if I properly acknowledged it, but I'm glad you liked the ... buttonless button for skipping to comments.
[19:21:16] <janrinok> Esperanto was intended to simplify that sort of thing as well as being a universal language
[19:20:42] <janrinok> Now somebody is going to come along and point out variations that don't follow that rule - but every language (except Esperanto) has exceptions
[19:20:11] <Bytram> mere see!
[19:19:41] <Bytram> got it.
[19:19:31] <janrinok> the case is implied by the 'to'
[19:19:02] <janrinok> Now some languages use the dative case, but in others (English) the word is the same in both cases
[19:18:55] <Bytram> it is to us vry good.
[19:18:51] <Bytram> Es ist uns sehr gut.
[19:18:39] <Bytram> No, it doesn't... but, they are so rigorous in their grammar, once you gave an example, I could see how that could manifest.
[19:17:59] <Bytram> as soon as yu explained it with an example and then mentioned dative case, that nailed it.
[19:17:43] <janrinok> Not in many languages but certainly in some. Yep, I saw, but in German it doesn't do the same thing.
[19:17:33] <Bytram> it is ... similar, but different
[19:17:14] <Bytram> I just gave two examples from German...
[19:16:58] <Bytram> nodnod
[19:16:52] <janrinok> for example, consider a reflexive verb - I wash myself. The myself would have to reflect the gender of the person saying it
[19:16:45] <Bytram> It is, to me, nothing at all.
[19:16:31] <Bytram> Es ist mir gar nichts!
[19:16:20] <Bytram> AHA! Got it!
[19:15:57] <Bytram> it is to me very good
[19:15:53] <janrinok> that's probably as clear as mud because I haven't explained it very well
[19:15:52] <Bytram> Es ist mir sehr gut!
[19:15:39] <Bytram> Do understand I am not saying I think it is wrong; it's just that after 3 years' study of German, I can quite readily handle different word use for different genders, but not when it is self-referential.
[19:15:33] <janrinok> Imagine 'it is pleasing to me'. The 'me' would be different for male or female. 'To' would suggest the dative case, so you would need the appropriate gender of the dative case for 'me'
[19:14:13] <janrinok> I'm trying to think of an example that would explain it in English.
[19:13:57] <Bytram> j/k
[19:13:48] <Bytram> I've seen it, but I fail to understand its usefulness, unless the men and women look the same?
[19:13:13] <janrinok> ah, yes, I have seen that and understand why it is so
[19:12:18] <Bytram> Ayuh!
[19:12:11] <janrinok> but lets say 'yep' for the sake of argument
[19:12:05] <Bytram> Portuguese: obrigado (pt) (said by male), obrigada (pt) (said by female), bem haja (pt), muito obrigado (pt)
[19:11:34] <janrinok> I can't think of one, but I don't know that many languages
[19:11:05] <Bytram> there are languages where the word that is used depends on the gender... of the person speaking it.
[19:10:52] <janrinok> yep 'ish
[19:10:40] <Bytram> and singular/pural, etcc.
[19:10:32] <janrinok> yep
[19:10:24] <Bytram> So the word "the" takes on different forms depending on the gender of the noun that follows it
[19:09:56] <janrinok> correct
[19:09:50] <Bytram> nouns in French have different genders, right?
[19:09:34] <Bytram> here's one for ya...
[19:08:37] <Bytram> LOL!
[19:08:33] <janrinok> Dziękuję Ci
[19:08:26] <Bytram> Polish: dziękuję
[19:07:59] <systemd> https://en.wiktionary.org - thank you - Wiktionary
[19:07:58] <Bytram> =g poland thank you wiktionary
[19:07:57] <janrinok> doesn't look polish to me, but I'll take your word for it
[19:07:48] <Bytram> lol
[19:07:45] <systemd> https://thankpoland.info - Thank Poland letter
[19:07:44] <Bytram> =g poland thank you -youtube
[19:07:38] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - How to Say "Thank You" in Polish | Polish Lessons - YouTube
[19:07:37] <Bytram> =g poland thank you
[19:07:29] <Bytram> Poland
[19:07:23] <Bytram> Europe
[19:07:17] <Bytram> try a different continent
[19:07:10] <janrinok> nope
[19:07:03] <Bytram> want another guess?
[19:06:52] <janrinok> spasibo
[19:06:51] <Bytram> Early morning for me, so starting to drag a little....
[19:06:40] <janrinok> I assume that djing kwea is chinese/asian?
[19:06:22] <Bytram> spacebo!
[19:06:06] <Bytram> djing kwea!
[19:05:58] <Bytram> obrigato!
[19:04:31] <janrinok> Bytram, how's things? Your patch on dev looks very good
[19:00:41] <Bytram> LOL
[19:00:40] <exec> └─ 13Jakob Nielsen, Ph.D. and Principal at Nielsen Norman Group
[19:00:39] <systemd> ^ 03Jakob Nielsen, Ph.D. and Principal at Nielsen Norman Group
[19:00:38] <Bytram> https://www.nngroup.com
[19:00:14] <chromas> ah yes. Leslie Neilson
[19:00:06] <systemd> https://www.nngroup.com - Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design - Nielsen Norman Group
[19:00:05] <Bytram> =g web design neilson
[19:00:00] <Bytram> web design neilson
[18:59:52] <Bytram> neilson?
[18:59:44] <Bytram> workplace brought him in to give us an afternoon talk on the whats and the whys of good web design
[18:59:39] <chromas> Never heard of 'im
[18:59:06] <Bytram> neil???
[18:59:02] <Bytram> nope
[18:58:58] <Bytram> Big name in the business, about usability and design of web pages.
[18:58:56] <chromas> Vincent Flanders?
[18:58:08] <Bytram> What WAS his name? Darn!
[18:54:50] <systemd> http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com - Web Pages That Suck - learn good web design by looking at bad ...
[18:54:49] <Bytram> =g web pages that suck
[18:54:41] <Bytram> At a school cafeteria: I don't know what it is, but I think I will try ... that... and see what happens.
[18:53:49] <systemd> https://developer.mozilla.org - What is the difference between webpage, website, web server, and ...
[18:53:48] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mystery meat navigation - Wikipedia
[18:53:48] <Bytram> =g web pages that such
[18:53:47] <chromas> =g define mystery meat navigation
[18:53:29] <systemd> https://twitter.com - Luke Wroblewski on Twitter: "Don't ever say you don't have choices ...
[18:53:29] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation -Wikipedia -material -Archtype
[18:53:19] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Mystery Meat Navigation's Archtype - YouTube
[18:53:18] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation -Wikipedia -material
[18:53:04] <systemd> https://www.freecodecamp.org - Material Design and the Mystery Meat Navigation Problem
[18:53:03] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation -Wikipedia
[18:52:55] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mystery meat navigation - Wikipedia
[18:52:55] <Bytram> =g mystery meat navigation
[18:50:09] <exec> └─ 13Skip to comment(s) -- Second Try [Updated: 2020-03-21 15:06:00 UTC] - SoylentNews
[18:50:09] <systemd> ^ 03Skip to comment(s) -- Second Try [Updated: 2020-03-21 15:06:00 UTC] - SoylentNews
[18:50:08] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[18:33:42] <exec> └─ 13Novel system allows untethered high-quality multi-player VR - Purdue University News
[18:33:41] <systemd> Novel system allows untethered high-quality multi-player VR @PurdueRP, <cite></cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/"></a>)
[18:33:41] <Bytram> =cite https://www.purdue.edu
[18:31:38] <exec> └─ 13Coterie | Proceedings of the Twenty-Fifth International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems
[18:31:35] <Bytram> =cite https://dl.acm.org
[18:27:15] <MrPlow> Trio, East Coffee St, Greenville, SC 29601, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 81/49F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 29%, Wind ~4mph. Sun: "Light rain in the evening and overnight." 59/47F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 67%, Wind ~9mph. Mon: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 56/45F, Humidity: 88%, Precip: 97%, Wind ~5mph.
[18:27:14] <Bytram> #weather greenville, SC
[18:27:08] <Bytram> #weather greenville, SC
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[17:34:48] <exec> └─ 13The tech execs who don't agree with 'soul-stealing' coronavirus safety measures | Technology | The Guardian
[17:34:47] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:34:47] <SoyCow8162> #submit https://www.theguardian.com
[17:34:44] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:34:19] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:34:11] <exec> └─ 13Here's What Facebook's Internal Facial Recognition App Looked Like - VICE
[17:34:09] <SoyCow8162> #submit https://www.vice.com
[17:33:39] <SoyCow8162> ~arthur https://www.vice.com
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[02:09:53] <Bytram> got it.
[02:00:01] <Fnord666> PMed you a link
[01:58:59] <Bytram> email? martyb (at) soylentnews dot org
[01:58:16] <Bytram> I think my firewall is blocking it
[01:57:35] <Fnord666> connection timed out
[01:56:39] <Fnord666> sending now
[01:55:03] * Bytram thinks he flubbed receiving the file
[01:52:54] <Fnord666> would be interesting to see the result using CSS actually
[01:52:21] <Fnord666> Bytram, sending you image now
[01:51:47] <Fnord666> not sure if it's the right size though
[01:50:18] <Bytram> it was originlly created with CSS, I bet
[01:50:03] <Bytram> doh!
[01:48:50] <Bytram> now have: PNG image data, 381 x 56, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[01:48:28] <Bytram> save as
[01:48:25] <Bytram> (right up to the edge of the button)
[01:48:11] <Bytram> precisely crop
[01:48:05] <Bytram> view grid lines
[01:47:58] <Bytram> lots!
[01:47:54] <Bytram> zoom in
[01:47:50] <Bytram> crop
[01:47:47] <Bytram> move around so button was in upper left-hand corner
[01:47:24] <Bytram> paste into paint
[01:47:20] <Bytram> screen cap
[01:47:16] <Bytram> got is as large as I could
[01:47:08] * Bytram did a bunch of Ctrl-+
[01:46:47] <Bytram> thanksfully, it is a png, so I don't have to worry about raster issues
[01:46:16] <chromas> You can use css to resize the button to the size you want, then screenshot it
[01:45:41] * Bytram is using paint.exe on winders
[01:45:39] <chromas> There's an anchor tag called topcomment that is lower on the page
[01:45:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:44:20] <Fnord666> I normally do a print screen, then paste into an image program. crop then resize as needed
[01:43:20] <chromas> Seems like the skip button should be betwixt the story and extended sections
[01:41:36] <Bytram> and then resize it to same height as the printer icon
[01:41:25] <Bytram> trying to extract just the button
[01:41:12] <Bytram> has "Skip to comment(s)" button in it
[01:40:59] <chromas> 🗨🗩🗪🗫
[01:40:58] <Bytram> Have screen cap of dev page.
[01:40:47] <Bytram> other way around
[01:40:35] <Fnord666> what image program do you have?
[01:40:30] <chromas> You can use a unicode glyph: 🖨🖶
[01:37:09] <Bytram> welcome back, btw!
[01:36:54] <Bytram> I'm trying to get a screen cap of the new "Skip to comment(s)" button I created on dev, but shrunk to the same size as the printer icon that appears in the title bar at the top of a comment.
[01:35:52] <Bytram> how are your image manipulation skills?
[01:35:42] <Fnord666> back
[01:35:30] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:24:53] <Fnord666> biab. Tea++
[01:14:05] <Bytram> okaaay. getting there.
[01:12:11] <Bytram> Hmmm, I have an idea. Yes, I know... that could be dangerous!!!
[01:09:58] <Bytram> Figured you would. =)
[01:09:27] <Fnord666> I like it!
[01:08:09] * Bytram heard that on a retreat he went to some 20-or-so years ago.
[01:07:31] <Bytram> If it comes from my head, then it is probably selfish or self-seeking. If it is from my heart, then I am probably trying to help someone. Big difference!
[01:06:45] <Bytram> how 'bout this: "Be careful where you wish FROM."
[01:06:14] <Fnord666> "ask and ye shall receive" or "be careful what you wish for"
[01:06:03] <Bytram> And if they are making an effort to provide feedback, I like to acknowledge it, answer questions, and straighten out misconceptions or provide elaboration where needed.
[01:05:51] <Fnord666> yup
[01:05:14] <Bytram> Hey, if I'm going to ask for feedback, it behooves me to pay attention to what the community says!
[01:04:38] <Fnord666> lol
[01:04:30] <Bytram> I probably am close to an all-time-high in the number of comments i posted in one day. =)
[01:03:58] <exec> └─ 13Changing the Site UI to Making Long Stories Easier to Navigate -- Input Requested - SoylentNews
[01:03:57] <systemd> ^ 03Changing the Site UI to Making Long Stories Easier to Navigate -- Input Requested - SoylentNews
[01:03:54] <Bytram> Been following up on: https://soylentnews.org
[01:03:32] <Bytram> Full.
[01:02:17] <Fnord666> How's your Friday been?
[01:01:51] <Fnord666> =)
[01:00:54] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 224
[01:00:54] <Bytram> teamwork++
[01:00:51] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 138
[01:00:51] <Bytram> Fnord666++ thanks!
[00:59:51] <Bytram> I keep forgetting that!
[00:58:44] <Bytram> oh? oh! Thanks!
[00:50:33] <Fnord666> bytram - I adjusted your story for weekend spacing
[00:47:51] <systemd> Thanks for submitting this story. It appears that no editor has yet selected this story to be run. At least a week has passed since the story was submitted, and if an editor was going to have selected it, they would likely have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue.
[00:47:51] <Fnord666> =declined
[00:40:21] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[00:40:21] * Bytram yawns
[00:40:16] * Bytram is tired
[00:39:57] * Fnord666 is ashamed
[00:39:48] <Fnord666> https://www.amazon.com
[00:39:46] <Fnord666> related to duck company ideas
[00:39:32] <Bytram> I checked, calculated a time, pasted it in, and poof you had already snuck a story into *my* slot! For shame!! ;)
[00:38:17] <exec> └─ 13NASA to Launch 247 Petabytes of Data Into AWS - but Forgot About Egress Costs - SoylentNews
[00:38:16] <systemd> ^ 03NASA to Launch 247 Petabytes of Data Into AWS - but Forgot About Egress Costs - SoylentNews
[00:38:14] <Fnord666> https://soylentnews.org
[00:37:48] <Fnord666> Bytram - related story for NASA "NASA to Launch 247 Petabytes of Data Into AWS - but Forgot About Egress Costs"
[00:35:31] <Fnord666> Pong!
[00:34:54] <Bytram> Fnord666: Ping!
[00:14:14] <systemd> Death recognition by undertaker bees [$], <cite>bioRxiv</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.05.978262">10.1101/2020.03.05.978262</a>)
[00:14:12] <Bytram> =cite https://www.biorxiv.org