#editorial | Logs for 2017-01-28

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[23:57:50] <Bytram> at least, for some of the affected tech workers, telecommuting is an option -- admittedly far from ideal, though.
[23:53:22] * nick sigh
[23:51:30] <Bytram> from the bloomberg article: "Microsoft Corp. inserted language in a securities filing on Thursday on the issue, cautioning investors that immigration restrictions "may inhibit our ability to adequately staff our research and development efforts.""
[23:48:14] <nick> The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to implement the executive order. "Nobody has any idea what is going on," a senior Homeland Security official told NBC News
[23:47:25] <nick> there's certainly enough to do a decent update covering the extra information available
[23:46:59] <exec> └─ 13Yesterday's U.S. Executive Order on Immigration
[23:46:57] <Bytram> And.. Microsoft's, too: https://www.linkedin.com
[23:46:34] <exec> └─ 13Zuckerberg criticizes Trump's executive orders on immigration - CNET
[23:46:32] <Bytram> and here's a link to a story about Zuckerberg's take on it: https://www.cnet.com
[23:45:32] <Bytram> that article is apparently based on one from bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com
[23:44:39] <Bytram> brb
[23:44:32] <exec> └─ 13Google CEO speaks out against Trump's immigration order - CNET
[23:44:30] <Bytram> here is a report about google: https://www.cnet.com
[23:43:56] <Bytram> Looks like Apple is not alone in this: Cook's note follows statements from Google, Facebook, Microsoft and others in tech.
[23:41:15] <Bytram> just found it; have not read it yet
[23:41:04] <exec> └─ 13Apple's Cook fires back at Trump's immigration ban - CNET
[23:41:02] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[23:38:07] <nick> apparently notable size protests at a couple of airports now, which i guess is not surprising
[23:36:12] <charon_> related news: academy award winning director Asghar Farhadi will not be allowed to come to the oscars where his newest film is nominated for best foreign film. he is from Iran
[23:22:37] <nick> shame on you!
[23:17:19] <charon_> the tracking part of the URL is my fault since i editied that story. looks like takyon removed it
[23:10:32] <nick> but according to a UK MP as i mentioned before, place of birth counts.
[23:10:09] <nick> there seems to still be a lack of clarity
[23:07:40] <exec> └─ 13Canadians who are dual citizens of countries affected by Trump immigration order can’t go to US - National | Globalnews.ca
[23:07:39] <nick> http://globalnews.ca
[23:06:20] <Bytram> biab
[23:06:16] <Bytram> okay; afk
[23:06:12] <Bytram> We may have convered here, even.
[23:06:03] * nick hat tip Bytram
[23:05:58] <nick> yeah i saw that too
[23:05:54] <Bytram> I really ned to eat -- hard to concentrate. back as soon as I can.
[23:05:35] <Bytram> I don't recall which one offhand.
[23:05:26] <Bytram> oh! thanks for the reminder! In the comments of one of the stories (today?) someone mentioned that the story was about protecting privacy, and yet one of the URLs in the story had a tracker on it.
[23:04:36] <charon_> hi everyone, this has been a public service message from gewg_
[23:04:29] <Bytram> scary part is that something like 80% (90%) of US residents are within 100 miles of a 'place of entry' which are all of the US' borders and all int'l airports, IIRC. I thnk the EFF had something on that not too many months ago.
[23:04:15] <charon_> consider a pariah nation with nukes. get your fallout shelters stocked
[23:03:10] <charon_> close the borders to everyone, let's be north korea for a week
[23:03:03] <Bytram> that's not th president's problem. he tells the dept heads / cabinet "Do it." and it's up to them to spread the word. I'm sure there was already something in place following 9/11.
[23:02:05] <charon_> yeah, but how do the gears of ICE and State and all the fucking airports in the world that have flights to the US get on the same page so quickly?
[23:01:21] <Bytram> very much appreciate the effort!
[23:01:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:01:02] <nick> might be a few minutes for a link.
[23:00:57] <Bytram> from what I've heard, the president issued an 'executive order' that was 'effective immediately'
[23:00:10] <charon_> how the fuck did this happen so quickly? it's like the plan has been circulated for months and everyone was ready when trump flipped the switch?
[22:59:45] <Bytram> maybe add it to the current green card story as an update?
[22:59:11] <Bytram> nick: do you have a link for that?
[22:58:35] <nick> 'BREAKING: US State Department confirms that Canadians who are also citizens of blacklisted countries cannot enter the United States'
[22:56:56] <nick> international travel is just no fun anymore
[22:53:15] <charon_> there's no way i'd want to travel hear from any foreign country
[22:52:56] <charon_> i offer my apologies on behalf of the sane people in the US
[22:32:32] <nick> most other places want a customs form at most
[22:32:15] <nick> considering you don't need a visa, you still have to do all the forms and pay to not have one
[22:30:27] <nick> no matter where i am, always very careful about making sure all my paperwork is in order, but coming to the US it's even more important.
[22:29:06] <nick> i have some kind of default paranoia about that, even as a uk citizen, never been asked so many questions when entering a country as a tourist
[22:27:56] <nick> i'll be on my way in a week
[22:27:49] <charon_> as a foreign national, who knows what you've been up to in the snowy wastes
[22:27:11] <charon_> probably for the best you get out while the getting is good
[22:26:55] <charon_> i think the US seems to get more fucked up daily
[22:21:34] <nick> i really don't know what to think right now
[22:20:45] <charon_> or not strange at all
[22:20:29] <nick> wouldn't like to guess... but from what i read on the actual order, which mentions 9/11... it strangely doesn't include any of the countries the hijackers were from.
[22:18:30] <charon_> damn. now the question we need to ask is was this intentional that it affects green card holders and native born? or just a lucky coincidence for the donald?
[22:17:47] <nick> source for that is a UK Member of Parliament, co-founder of YouGov who was born in Iraq.
[22:15:56] <nick> apparently it applies to anyone born in the countries listed, even if they're citizens of another country and not dual-nationals
[22:15:08] <nick> hey charon_
[22:14:56] <charon_> good work on the immigration story nick, Fnord666, and takyon
[22:14:05] <charon_> hiyo editorial
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[21:18:38] * nick hat tip Fnord666 takyon
[21:16:37] <Fnord666> gotta run for a bit as well. back later.
[21:16:07] <Fnord666> k.
[21:16:04] <nick> yup, all looks good to me
[21:15:55] <Fnord666> You ok with it nick?
[21:15:00] <Fnord666> I've moved the seagate story
[21:14:43] <Fnord666> Looks good.
[21:12:44] <takyon> i'll bbl
[21:10:25] <takyon> check it out
[21:10:20] <takyon> changed text at top
[21:09:02] <Fnord666> ouch
[21:08:55] <takyon> as in third graders
[21:08:52] <takyon> maybe to keep it easy for everyone to read
[21:08:37] <nick> i don't know why they do it
[21:08:24] <nick> takyon, i do the same when editing subs like that, especially from the BBC
[21:07:49] <takyon> many one sentence paragraphs
[21:07:43] <takyon> BBC is the worst
[21:07:38] <takyon> well if you have ever checked the sources of my submissions, you might have noticed I handle line breaks however I want
[21:07:17] <Fnord666> no kidding
[21:07:06] <nick> takyon, i assume it also irritates you how some outlets like to put each sentence in it's own paragraph
[21:07:05] <takyon> as in removing line breaks
[21:06:36] <takyon> k. consolidating paragraphs now
[21:06:36] <nick> i've been through all the scanners and searches... easy to become accustomed to being a sheep in the herd
[21:06:03] <Fnord666> takyon please add the "Breaking News" nexus if you would
[21:05:46] <nick> yup
[21:05:32] <takyon> be prepared to say that in the comments
[21:04:56] <nick> especially irritated me after the commentary i read yesterday about how this is just about new refugees and it's stupid to make the 'fake news' that it's going to affect green card holders
[21:04:39] <takyon> of nick's body
[21:04:36] <takyon> we're going to have extreme vetting
[21:03:58] <nick> thanks both of you... even though it doesn't affect me, i know how stressful it can be when your immigration/visa status is subject to change by things out of your control
[21:03:49] <Fnord666> all yours
[21:02:52] <takyon> let me know when I can get it
[21:02:41] <takyon> k
[21:02:22] <Fnord666> I have one quote to add also into the story
[21:02:11] <Fnord666> adjusting the time now
[21:01:42] <takyon> what's going on, Fnord666
[21:01:35] <nick> i would feel obligated, if there happened to be a comment about how late the story was
[21:01:19] <takyon> other than the fact that you did, because it's publicly logged
[21:01:11] <takyon> you don't have to say it
[21:00:30] <nick> but i wouldn't like to have to say 'well we had the story this weekend, but thought it would be better for the site to delay until prime time to get the best hits/comments out of it'
[20:59:52] <takyon> 100 comments
[20:59:50] <takyon> of course they may be waiting to scream out about immigration
[20:59:39] <takyon> yeah, check out all those single digit comment counts
[20:59:09] <nick> timing isn't ideal for general community discussion, being the weekend and all, but i'm looking at it more as a PSA than anything
[20:58:38] <Fnord666> Can do that too
[20:58:26] <nick> i think it should swap out the seagate story
[20:58:20] <takyon> i'm fine with that
[20:58:07] <takyon> well, you can move it, and then i'll do some editing on it
[20:57:54] <Fnord666> But that's why I want your opinion as well.
[20:57:31] <Fnord666> I was looking at running it at 4:09pm today
[20:57:24] <nick> i think it should be run now because it's affecting people now
[20:56:58] <takyon> like 8-12
[20:56:46] <takyon> do you want it to run later than 6AM EST?
[20:56:27] <takyon> actually, I became the first editor
[20:56:18] <Fnord666> Takyon - I wanted to ask you if you would be the second editor on nick's submission
[20:56:17] <takyon> posted
[20:54:59] <nick> we may have green card holders in the community caught out by the current situation
[20:54:23] <nick> my opinion was due to the immigration thing affecting people currently in transit, it should jump the queue and be run asap
[20:53:53] <takyon> second what
[20:53:29] <Fnord666> Should we have takyon second it?
[20:48:55] <nick> as someone who travels a lot, i might be bias, but the degree of severity and limited overlap does not warrant a merge in my opinion
[20:47:39] <nick> and nothing will be lost
[20:47:36] <nick> so that story can be run on monday or something
[20:47:32] <nick> the petition is still active until feb 19th
[20:47:17] <Fnord666> ok
[20:46:55] <Fnord666> That's our focus for the story
[20:46:55] <nick> i would say so, the H1B is 'career and education' and is not particularly time sensitive
[20:46:43] <Fnord666> I know that's the headline right now
[20:46:27] <Fnord666> Are we limiting the focus of your story nick to the green card status issue?
[20:43:04] <takyon> it would limit the shitstorm to one area
[20:42:51] <nick> i don't see another one, so if that's the case i disagree... they're both immigration stories but very different
[20:41:05] <nick> the H1B story?
[20:40:21] <takyon> we should probably merge those two adjacent immigration stories if we run them
[20:39:38] <takyon> k np
[20:39:28] <Fnord666> Thanks takyon
[20:39:19] <Fnord666> I normally catch it. Missed it this time
[20:39:02] <takyon> just a note for when you see it again
[20:38:51] <takyon> i fixed it
[20:38:44] <Fnord666> i'll fix it. my mistake
[20:38:33] <nick> takyon, going to fix it now?
[20:37:33] <takyon> you add the topic and remove the text
[20:37:12] <takyon> when you see "+digital liberty", what do you do?
[20:37:05] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft Criticized for Thai Government Certificate; Google Launches Own Root Certificate Authority - SoylentNews
[20:37:02] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[20:37:00] <takyon> here's a lesson plan for new eds
[20:35:21] <nick> edit as you see fit
[20:35:16] <nick> but up to you
[20:35:14] <nick> there's a couple more quotes from the NYT article that may be worth including
[20:33:01] <Fnord666> k
[20:31:35] <nick> should be in the queue
[20:23:55] <Fnord666> ok
[20:23:10] <nick> i'll put a sub in now
[20:22:42] <Fnord666> You got something written up?
[20:21:28] <nick> so either way, everything is the same except adding breaking news in the nexus/topic menu
[20:20:27] <nick> well, we can either run a new story or i can do a sub for you
[20:17:20] <Fnord666> So what's the next step?
[20:15:44] <Fnord666> Never done one before, but I'm game to help
[20:15:16] <nick> with the green card element, it probably should be
[20:14:57] <Fnord666> Breaking news?
[20:14:09] <nick> since it's something that's very time sensitive
[20:13:53] <nick> i think it should be run asap
[20:13:38] <Fnord666> You're looking for timing in the US correct?
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[20:12:12] <Fnord666> Definitely needs to be a story
[20:11:46] <Fnord666> Within hours of signing
[20:11:25] <exec> └─ 13ACLU sues White House over immigration ban | TheHill
[20:11:23] <Fnord666> http://thehill.com
[20:11:22] <Fnord666> case in point
[20:10:23] <nick> now people are in the situation of perhaps being in transit, returning from family or business trips and are not going to be allowed to re-enter
[20:09:35] <nick> people were saying that yesterday in the commentary
[20:09:21] <nick> this was after yesterday saying that's stupid and impossible, depts don't just change policy on the president signing a bit of paper, only new visas, green cards are totally different etc
[20:08:05] * Fnord666 clicks
[20:07:53] <exec> └─ 13Immigration ban includes green card holders: DHS | TheHill
[20:07:51] <nick> http://thehill.com
[20:07:15] <nick> i don't think there's one in the queue yet, but i think it should be done due to the time sensitive nature of the situation
[20:06:51] * nick clicks
[20:06:49] <Fnord666> which story?
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[20:06:33] <exec> └─ 13Science Olympiad
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[20:06:31] <Fnord666> https://www.soinc.org
[20:06:30] <nick> i was just pondering however... i think we should run and jump the queue with an immigration story on the most recent developments, that being green card holders are included in the 'ban'
[20:06:23] <Fnord666> I was up early to drop my youngest at the school at 5am. They were heading off to a Science Olympiad competition.
[20:05:17] <nick> been a good day so far
[20:04:33] <Fnord666> it's saturday, so there's that. Doing well. Yourself?
[20:03:52] <nick> how goes
[20:03:09] <nick> hi Fnord666
[20:02:54] <Fnord666> hey nick
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[19:50:38] <nick> anyone here
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[11:41:59] <Bytram> ~tell Fnord666 Thanks a bunch for the story submissions! Noticed one minor thing, to get a space to appear after a link, put the space AFTER the "</a>"; NOT before it. Otherwise, the space becomes part of the link and is underlined as well. Like I said, a minor thing, but thought you might like to know.
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[04:02:04] <charon> hooray for tildes
[04:01:56] <Fnord666> better
[04:01:54] <Fnord666> a mañana
[04:01:38] <Fnord666> a manana
[04:01:16] <Fnord666> you too.
[04:01:07] <charon> sleep well
[04:00:51] <Fnord666> this round anyway
[04:00:41] <charon> clearly you have won
[04:00:36] <Fnord666> yep
[04:00:27] <charon> maturity juice, eh?
[04:00:19] <Fnord666> ewwww
[04:00:00] * exec seductively copies yo mama's asscrack of maturity juice for charon
[03:59:58] <Fnord666> ~gnight charon
[03:59:44] * exec ironically runs the Installshield Wizard to set up a github of cromulence for Fnord666
[03:59:43] <charon> ~gnight Fnord666
[03:59:31] <Fnord666> I'm off to bed. Good night charon.
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[02:03:16] <charon_> because of course he would say that
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[01:59:16] <exec> └─ 13Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees - CNNPolitics.com
[01:59:14] <n1> http://www.cnn.com
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[00:04:30] <charon_> and he took out mechanicjay too
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[00:00:48] <Fnord666> Closing and opening the door on his faraday cage
[00:00:31] <Fnord666> heh