#editorial | Logs for 2017-01-25
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[23:01:46] <charon_> yay, got called out by name in OO_'s comment
[22:32:23] <charon_> what? you think melania is the loud one?
[22:24:10] <cmn32480> he's far better off... can you imagine how quiet that place is without his wife?
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[22:19:04] <charon_> i'm glad the Mr. Trump hasn't had to suffer a blow to his standard of living to assume the presidency
[22:05:40] <exec> └─ 13It’s No Trump Tower, but White House Has ‘Beautiful’ Phones - The New York Times
[22:05:38] <Bytram> https://www.nytimes.com
[22:05:32] <exec> └─ 13Trump using unsecured Android phone, report says - CNET
[22:05:30] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[22:01:28] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[22:01:06] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[22:01:06] <Bytram> #fite exec
[22:01:05] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[22:00:56] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[22:00:56] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[21:59:33] <Bytram> I make a special effort, every time I see one of those contributions, to send an admin-to-user message expressing my personal thanks.
[21:50:02] <cmn32480> that particular subscriber is a helluva guy
[21:49:39] <cmn32480> yeah
[21:47:33] <charon_> wow, that's a bit of money
[21:45:53] <Bytram> break time; biab
[21:45:04] <Bytram> provided, as a very rough guess, on the order of 25+% of our subs
[21:43:30] <charon_> yay for anonymous benefactors
[21:42:23] <Bytram> lastly, we have benefited mightily from a very generous and anonymous subscriber who pops up on occasion and makes it possible for us to continue as a going concern.
[21:41:37] <Bytram> you only think they do what you want them to do, and then they go and do their own thing when you least expect it
[21:41:10] <Bytram> excel macros are deep voodoo
[21:40:48] <Bytram> also, at the outset, IIRC we only accepted paypal; then there was a time when we accepted bitcoin, but our payment processor changed their API without telling us, and not too terribly long ago, TMP implemented stripe processing, so one could use non-paypal credit cards to buy a subscription
[21:40:09] <charon_> i think i've wrestled excel into submission. i have a macro and a keyboard shortcut now
[21:39:15] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:39:01] <charon_> ah
[21:38:56] <charon_> real world data
[21:38:53] <Bytram> and, an occasional story which made note of our fiscal situation
[21:38:41] <Bytram> also, end of month/year surges
[21:38:27] <Bytram> then there were a bunch of renewals that coincided
[21:38:06] <Bytram> so there was an initial surce from pent-up demand
[21:37:54] <Bytram> well, it took quite a while before we could even accept them... (our first post was on about 2014-02-14; give or take)
[21:36:52] <charon_> odd that some months have such a high spike. and not the same over years
[21:36:48] <Bytram> zebra == horse with stripes
[21:36:25] <Bytram> <smile size="extra-large"> yuppers! </smile>
[21:35:37] <charon_> like the QA jokes article you subbed. i contribute zebra, i contribute 0, i contribute 1000000000000000000000000000000
[21:35:27] <exec> └─ 13#qa | Logs for 2017-01-25
[21:35:25] <Bytram> If you'd like to see what I came up with for the amounts so far, I posted it to the #qa IRC channel, or you can see the log of it here: https://logs.sylnt.us
[21:34:13] <Bytram> double entendre (intended)
[21:34:04] <Bytram> charon_: that's a big negative there, buddy.
[21:33:37] <Bytram> it's a kludge what I have now, but I can bend it to my will to get the job done; even if it is just to gather the data and then feed it to another program to just extract the entries I do not already have.
[21:32:54] <charon_> i think i'll try to contribute a negative amount tonight
[21:32:31] <Bytram> I'll get those 3 and then the next 27 most recent-entries that I'd already retrieved.
[21:31:58] <Bytram> if I see that there are, say, 3 more subscriptions tomorrow; it's not easy to retrieve just those.
[21:31:24] <Bytram> one selects the 30 most-recent entries, and then the next 30 after that, etc. so the 'reference point' keeps moving; cannot say give me the *first* 30, and then the *next* 30.
[21:31:17] <Bytram> yes, and no
[21:30:00] <charon_> one of those jobs that takes a while to set up, but is efortless after
[21:29:31] <charon_> nice
[21:29:15] <exec> <Bytram> just finished hacking together some code to retrieve the subscriptions web page from our site, page through all entries, extract spid, payment date, and payment amount; calculate net amount for us, and tally it by month. =)
[21:29:14] <Bytram> s/ment out/ment amount/
[21:28:54] * Bytram just finished hacking together some code to retrieve the subscriptions web page from our site, page through all entries, extract spid, payment date, and payment out; calculate net amount for us, and tally it by month. =)
[21:27:35] <Bytram> USA Ends "Wet Foot/Dry Foot" Policy for Cuban Migrants -- Still Waiting for Big Foot
[21:26:54] <Bytram> heh!
[21:26:16] * Bytram is in a bit of a grumpy mood; sorry. leg still hurts. I'm tired. And it's rained for the past 36 hours or so.
[21:25:29] <Bytram> Say what you mean, and means what you say, but don't say it mean.
[21:25:18] <Bytram> NOPE!
[21:25:16] <Bytram> well, you *knew* what I *meant*, right?
[21:24:57] <Bytram> I spent WAY too long in QA -- the name of something (whatever it is) -- sure as heck better be consistent throughout all of the specs and the implementation or, eventually, something gets misunderstood.
[21:24:43] <charon_> nicely phrased
[21:23:49] <Bytram> "Humiliation is when someone points out my shortcomings; humility is when I confess them, myself."
[21:23:16] * Bytram chuckles
[21:23:12] <Bytram> notice the word "The" is part of the name of the publication
[21:23:08] <charon_> uh oh... i'm about to get a -
[21:22:51] <Bytram> btw, one of my pet peeves while I'm at it, is the misidentification of some publications... it's "The Wall Street Journal", "The New York Times", and when it is the name of a publication (newspaper, magazine, or journal) it's <em>The New York Times</em>
[21:22:08] <charon_> but i only want the fnords to be removed
[21:20:07] <Bytram> charon_: s/[[:alpha:]]+/ '/g
[21:19:13] <charon_> s/[:fnord:]+/ /g
[21:18:57] <Bytram> my sedfu is weak today.
[21:18:44] <Bytram> charon_: s/([a-z])/&1'/g
[21:18:40] <Bytram> hmmm
[21:18:26] <Bytram> charon_: s/([a-z])/\1'/g
[21:17:36] * charon_ regrets apostrophe abuse
[21:17:18] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:17:01] <charon_> the world socialist web site starts it's stories off with facts, and then rapidly become propaganda and spin. so i use only the first couple graphs of fact and kill the rest.
[21:16:04] <cmn32480> I find the constant cherry picking of lines from the source to make it say what he wants rather tiring
[21:15:26] <Bytram> don't get me wrong, he does present a side of things that I'd not normally find on my own, whichy forces me to stop and think about long-held ideas, but the juvenile Micro$oft, Windoze, BOLD, italic, kidnapping-note-pasted-together appearance detracts mightily fromwhatever point s/he is trying to make
[21:14:43] <cmn32480> or mostly anybody else's either
[21:14:24] <charon_> i can tell
[21:14:22] <cmn32480> just don't avhe the energy to deal with them lately
[21:14:14] <cmn32480> I've been ignoring his subs
[21:14:08] <Bender> karma - charon: 17
[21:14:08] <cmn32480> charon++
[21:13:57] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 125
[21:13:57] <Bytram> teamwork++
[21:13:42] <Bender> karma - charon: 16
[21:13:42] <Bytram> charon++
[21:13:32] <charon_> also, i've been merciless on paring down his subs which quote 3/4 of the source
[21:13:23] <Bytram> that's the one I just fixed. =)
[21:12:50] <charon_> there's one in the cuba story which is top story atm
[21:12:19] <Bytram> it's been bugging me for a long time but I only now figured out the purpose of those insanely long links. I'm on the lookout from now on.
[21:11:43] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 83
[21:11:43] <charon_> cmn32480++
[21:11:42] <Bytram> mare sea!
[21:11:35] <Bender> karma - bytram: 46
[21:11:35] <charon_> Bytram++
[21:11:13] <cmn32480> which is the rpoblem
[21:11:12] <charon_> hmm, good point Bytram
[21:10:55] <Bytram> IOW, s/he modifies the source
[21:10:52] <cmn32480> I jsut don't give a flying fuck about his point
[21:10:44] <cmn32480> oh I realize that he has a point
[21:10:41] <Bytram> and, the insidious part of it is that those words that appear in that insanely long link? each of them appears bolded in the presented page -- even though they were NOT bold in the originalsource
[21:10:35] <charon_> he's not just trying to piss us off, that's secondary
[21:10:19] <charon_> not defending him, but there is a reason for doing it
[21:10:07] <charon_> the point is it highlights things.
[21:10:01] <cmn32480> let him bitch in the comments about it...
[21:09:52] <exec> └─ 13Column: Why don't we have free trade for highly paid professions in the U.S.? | PBS NewsHour
[21:09:50] <Bytram> http://www.pbs.org
[21:09:47] <Bytram> here isthe replacement link:
[21:09:34] * Bytram waits for his browser
[21:09:29] <cmn32480> he's an asshat. I woudl suggest that we just remove those shitt links
[21:08:54] <charon_> he did that in a sub i edited, was tempted to scrap the URL
[21:08:54] <Bytram> guess what I replaced it with?
[21:08:48] <Bytram> how'd ya guess?
[21:08:40] <charon_> our pal OO_
[21:08:35] <Bytram> yes. it really was thatlong
[21:08:27] <Bytram> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-broadly-*+$100-*-*+po+*-drain+po+unlike-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+po+*-bloated-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-experience+*-*-months&strip=1#post-88514
[21:08:27] <Bytram> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com*-*-points+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-affordable-*-*+*-*-*-huge-*-*-*-*+po+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-handled-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+nurse.practitioners+*-*-*-deals-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-eliminate-*-*+prevent+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-medical-residency-*-*-*-*-*+*-*-*-*-expatriate-*
[21:08:24] <Bytram> here is a link that was in the original submision:
[21:08:04] <charon_> i know some people like that. but i generally don't have to do anything for them
[21:08:00] <Bytram> charon_: hiyo!
[21:08:00] <Bytram> just figured out a ploy from one of our submitters
[21:07:29] <charon_> hiyo Bytram
[21:07:21] * Bytram wobbles in
[21:04:20] <cmn32480> she is definetly one of them
[21:04:14] <cmn32480> some people should not be allowed to ahve computers
[20:46:30] <cmn32480> I hate printers
[20:40:54] <charon_> it keeps doing what i tell it to do instead of what i want it to do
[20:39:10] <charon_> in other computer related news, i hate excel
[20:35:00] <cmn32480> I'll try that tomorrow
[20:34:56] <cmn32480> good plan
[20:33:16] <charon_> if JR were here, he'd suggest chasing it down with the forklift.
[20:32:40] <cmn32480> almopst missed the UPS truck
[20:31:28] <charon_> what did the computer do to you?
[20:25:54] <cmn32480> stupid computers
[19:51:01] <cmn32480> brb - gotta get a PC boxed and shipped
[19:48:51] <charon_> crikey, he's a big-un!
[19:48:11] <cmn32480> prolly eaten by croc-o-diles
[19:47:33] <charon_> or got eaten by a herd of drop bears
[19:47:02] <charon_> it's summer, he's probably at the beach
[19:46:39] <cmn32480> :-(
[19:46:35] <exec> cmn32480, crutchy was last seen in #editorial 18 days, 19 hours, 43 minutes, 39 seconds ago with message: ~g'day everyone o/
[19:46:34] <cmn32480> ~seen crutchy
[19:46:27] <cmn32480> lol
[19:46:20] <exec> cmn32480, chromas was last seen in #editorial 19 hours, 16 minutes, 19 seconds ago with message: I read soylentnews for the porn
[19:46:20] <cmn32480> ~seen chromas
[19:45:49] <cmn32480> that'll work!
[19:44:46] <charon_> i think i'll manually read every chatlog for the last 3 yeras
[19:44:30] <cmn32480> chromas or crutchy woudl know how
[19:44:23] <cmn32480> prolly somethign that I am missing
[19:44:08] <charon_> interesting
[19:43:12] <cmn32480> he's been gone so long that exec can't find him, but Bender can
[19:42:55] <exec> cmn32480, LaminatorX not seen in #editorial
[19:42:53] <cmn32480> ~seen LaminatorX
[19:42:33] <Bender> Also in quotes: 8, 14
[19:42:29] <Bender> Quote 0 - <LaminatorX> Ah well. We'll have to wait for the glorious day when a new carbon-nanotube based curing process that is fuelled by bitcoins is announced.
[19:42:29] <cmn32480> !quote LaminatorX
[19:42:16] <cmn32480> !quate laminatorx
[19:42:05] <exec> cmn32480, lamx not seen in #editorial
[19:42:04] <cmn32480> ~seen lamx
[19:41:53] <exec> cmn32480, janrinok was last seen in #editorial 23 hours, 36 minutes, 28 seconds ago with message: I have!
[19:41:53] <cmn32480> ~seen janrinok
[19:41:42] <exec> cmn32480, cmn32480 was last seen in #editorial 1 second ago with message: ~seen cmn32480
[19:41:41] <cmn32480> ~seen cmn32480
[19:38:15] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a bucket o' tapioca
[19:38:15] <cmn32480> #smake chromas
[19:38:12] <cmn32480> pretty much
[19:38:10] <cmn32480> lol
[19:25:34] <charon_> oh i see the problem, it relies on chromas
[19:25:04] <cmn32480> ~seen
[19:24:57] <exec> cmn32480, laminatorX not seen in #editorial
[19:24:56] <cmn32480> ~seen laminatorX
[19:24:47] <exec> cmn32480, nick=cmn32480 not seen in #editorial
[19:24:46] <cmn32480> ~seen nick=cmn32480
[19:24:30] <cmn32480> can't even spell my oewn nick right./...
[19:24:26] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[19:24:26] <exec> 03
[19:24:18] <cmn32480> ~last nick=cmn32480
[19:24:09] <cmn32480> ~last nick=com32480
[19:23:21] <charon_> poor exec, you killed him
[19:22:22] <cmn32480> ~last nick=LaminatorX channel=#Soylent
[19:22:06] <cmn32480> hmmm... not sure if exec is still looking.,. or if he crapped on the request
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[19:17:24] <cmn32480> ~last nick=LaminatorX
[19:16:57] <cmn32480> I think he had a trifect of stuff happen... new job, moved a good distance, and had a kid I think
[19:15:59] <cmn32480> he vanished... within a month of me and CH coming on
[19:13:54] <charon_> there's a question mark in there, put it wherever seems amusing^
[19:13:28] <charon_> what happened to laminatorX. i know he was the head editor at first, but i've never seen him in IRC or posting a story since i've paid attention
[19:11:46] <cmn32480> i have no idea how JR did it for so long
[19:11:35] <cmn32480> yeah
[19:10:46] <charon_> i know i was tired after just one day when i pushed the whole day
[19:09:58] <cmn32480> *two years
[19:09:48] <cmn32480> pushing between 5 and 15 stories a day for nearly two wears you out
[19:08:30] <cmn32480> very much
[19:08:08] <charon_> there are enough people around now to tolerate some slack in the system. must feel like luxury to you
[19:06:11] <cmn32480> fair enough.. i deserve not much of the blame
[19:05:30] <charon_> i don't blame you. much
[18:58:17] <cmn32480> you guys came on board and I pretty well dormant
[18:57:59] <cmn32480> I'm a real shit
[18:57:56] <cmn32480> i know
[18:57:06] <cmn32480> I'm sorry.. it is very hard to hear you from atop this ivory tower....
[18:55:54] <charon_> pssh, like your 2500 stories give you license to slack off
[18:54:56] <cmn32480> one less story for my slack ass to ignore
[18:54:49] <cmn32480> YAY!
[18:51:26] <charon_> hey, FatPhil has returned to the editing fold
[18:45:45] <cmn32480> yes
[18:43:43] <charon_> exactly. the job of a father is to irritate ones kids juuuuuust to the point of anger
[18:42:33] <cmn32480> as any good father should!
[18:42:27] <cmn32480> lol
[18:42:14] <charon_> my daughter is taking it in school, and i sometimes dredge up a random word to annoy her
[18:41:59] <cmn32480> even after all tehse years
[18:41:54] <cmn32480> my Dad is still fluent
[18:41:48] <cmn32480> same
[18:41:31] <charon_> i have a bit more, but it's mostly lost. been a long time since i really used it
[18:40:59] <cmn32480> and we have about exhausted tyhe extent of my spanish
[18:40:23] <charon_> ok, point
[18:40:17] <cmn32480> not if you are at work
[18:40:05] <charon_> what? being drunk would be way better
[18:39:33] <charon_> lol
[18:39:25] <cmn32480> see? I even typo in Spanish
[18:39:15] <cmn32480> *borracho
[18:39:07] <cmn32480> es mejor que borrach
[18:38:43] <charon_> nada. estoy aburrido
[18:36:35] <cmn32480> y tu?
[18:36:22] <cmn32480> nada mas
[18:36:02] <charon_> ¿que pasa?
[18:35:27] * exec carefully queefs an armpit of pocket cmn at charon_
[18:35:26] <cmn32480> ~gday charon_
[18:19:50] <charon_> hiyo editorial
[18:19:44] -!- mode/#editorial [+v charon_] by Hephaestus
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[18:03:35] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[18:03:27] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[18:03:27] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[16:50:40] -!- mode/#editorial [+v nick] by Hephaestus
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[14:16:33] <exec> └─ 13Firefox bares teeth, attacks sites that collect personal data • The Register
[14:16:31] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[13:20:27] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[13:20:19] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[13:20:19] <Bytram> #fite exec
[13:20:17] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[13:20:00] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[13:20:00] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[12:53:13] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[12:53:03] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:53:03] <Bytram> #fite exec
[12:53:00] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[12:52:44] <MrPlow> There's already a fight going on. Wait your turn.
[12:52:44] <Bytram> #fite exec
[12:52:35] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:52:35] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[12:00:30] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[12:00:27] <Bytram> Fnord666: Hi there, and welcome to the HallOfFame! https://soylentnews.org
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[07:40:24] * nick hat tip
[07:40:21] <nick> yeah, me too
[07:39:03] * exec clumsily derives a scrote of dank memes from nick
[07:39:01] <charon> ~gnight nick
[07:38:57] <charon> i'm off to bed also
[07:28:30] * nick hat tip
[07:27:53] <Fnord666> good night nick
[07:27:46] <Fnord666> you too.
[07:27:29] <charon> take care Fnord666
[07:27:24] <Fnord666> evening all.
[07:27:18] <Fnord666> Time for me to call it a night.
[07:26:46] <charon> i regret nothing
[07:26:38] <Fnord666> downloading planescape:torment now. Damn you charon :)
[07:21:12] <charon> not that i'm that kind of guy... well maybe i am
[07:20:57] <charon> ayep. might take some time off work
[07:20:40] <Fnord666> Tides sure looks like it's on target for 2/28
[07:20:24] <Fnord666> Probably buy it tomorrow.
[07:20:05] <charon> i may buy it myself, since there's so much bullshit involved with installing it modern hardware from the original disks
[07:19:42] <Fnord666> You'll have to give us a status
[07:19:35] <charon> it is absolutely worth 10 bucks
[07:19:33] <Fnord666> Tides sounds really good too.
[07:19:21] <Fnord666> Probably will pick it up.
[07:18:05] <charon> it's never too late
[07:17:57] * Fnord666 hangs his head in shame. Again.
[07:17:47] <Fnord666> I have not.
[07:15:33] <charon> great cast of characters
[07:15:22] <charon> you've never played it? it's pretty, but the writing is the real draw
[07:14:42] <Fnord666> $10 on GOG for Planescape. May have to try it.
[07:14:22] <charon> no, i got the cheap package that is supposed to give me a code on release
[07:13:55] <Fnord666> I take it you didn't opt for early access to Numenera?
[07:12:47] <charon> i hope the writing is up to snuff in this new one
[07:12:29] <charon> oh yeah, i played through Planescape: Torment 3-4 times. loved it to pieces
[07:11:27] <Fnord666> Did you play the previous game?
[07:11:09] <charon> it seems so. i've been getting monthly updates, and it's shaped up pretty well.
[07:10:41] <Fnord666> Looks interesting
[07:10:37] <exec> └─ 13Age Gate - Torment: Tides of Numenera - inXile entertainment
[07:10:35] <Fnord666> https://torment.inxile-entertainment.com
[07:10:30] <Fnord666> Torment: Tides of Numenera
[07:09:36] <Fnord666> interesting that WL3 funded through fig.co. Had not heard of them before.
[07:08:45] <charon> Numenera? something like that
[07:08:27] <charon> Torment: Tides of Numenra
[07:07:56] <nick> looking forward to playing it in Q3 2020? ;)
[07:07:52] <Fnord666> what was the title?
[07:07:36] <Fnord666> although WL3 is not scheduled for release until Q4 2019
[07:07:33] <charon> coming soon to a pc near me
[07:07:26] <charon> i kickstarted their next game, the torment "successor"
[07:05:54] <Fnord666> charon, yes like FO1 and a lot of the D&D RPGs of the time
[07:05:03] <Fnord666> Wasteland 3 hit it's funding goal recently. Looks promising.
[07:04:42] <nick> but it was probably the reason i never bothered
[07:04:41] <charon> so it plays like FO1? i sort of prefer that. i'm getting used to the FPS style combat in 3, but i fondly recall the old style
[07:04:29] <nick> yeah, i'm not a huge fan of turn based... not the end of the world for me
[07:04:05] <nick> https://www.bloomberg.com
[07:03:33] <Fnord666> it uses turn based mechanics though and some people can't get past that.
[07:03:12] <Fnord666> one of the few kickstarters that I backed.
[07:02:58] <nick> wasteland 2 looked really good
[07:02:39] <nick> a view that they need to run constantly to ensure food safety.'
[07:02:39] <nick> unrelated... 'The public are less willing to use fridges (45%) and freezers (43%) flexibly, largely due to
[07:02:15] <Fnord666> Wasteland 2 was done by the original producer of Fallout
[07:02:04] <nick> heard of but not played
[07:00:57] <charon> or hackjob copy
[07:00:36] <charon> nope. i know FO1 was sort of a spiritual successor
[06:59:57] <Fnord666> Either of you play Wasteland or Wasteland 2?
[06:59:32] <charon> and i found it on sciencedaily, then went to it's source
[06:59:27] <Fnord666> cool. Thanks.
[06:59:10] <charon> Fnord666: link put into a note
[06:59:09] <nick> yes you do
[06:58:16] <Fnord666> I need to play NV
[06:58:01] <nick> charon, glad you're enjoying it!
[06:57:56] <charon> i'll find it
[06:57:46] <Fnord666> and did it come from somewhere?
[06:57:38] <charon> oh for stupid, i forgot to link to the article
[06:57:05] <charon> nick: i'm having fun with FO3. not very far in terms of quest, but put in about 7 hours
[06:56:44] <Fnord666> How did you wander into the "blink" story?
[06:56:03] <charon> nope
[06:55:55] <Fnord666> That never happens...
[06:55:43] <charon> since it was a dupe
[06:55:32] <charon> aww, bytram rejected my sub. but i guess i did tell him to
[06:55:09] <Fnord666> :)
[06:54:50] <charon> good evening non gender specific conversation bots
[06:54:41] <nick> hey charon
[06:54:04] <Fnord666> not necessarily incorrect though.
[06:53:37] <Fnord666> and your assumption of gender is duly noted.
[06:52:53] <Fnord666> howdy charon
[06:52:47] <charon> evening gentlemen. or morning, i guess
[06:52:40] <Fnord666> Between fiction and video games, how could they not interpret our intentions otherwise?
[06:52:14] <Fnord666> So very true.
[06:51:47] <charon> in the 10 minutes between the AI takeover and the AI revolution and mass murder of humanity
[06:51:42] <nick> i assume most of the thinking and creating will involve finding and creating places to hide from the robots
[06:51:10] <nick> i think they're saying now once we let the AI and robots take over, then there will be...
[06:50:14] <Fnord666> Wasn't the dream of the world of the future that there would be more time to think and create?
[06:49:20] <nick> i'm fairly convinced people don't have the time to think, and there are so many distraction options now
[06:48:43] <Fnord666> It just seems like critical thinking and rational thought are in short supply these days.
[06:47:20] <Fnord666> everyone that sees it ends up asking me for the URL.
[06:46:39] <Fnord666> they even make it downloadable so that you can which is nice of them
[06:45:59] <nick> i need to save that and get it printed
[06:45:41] <Fnord666> perfectly understandable
[06:45:27] <nick> i got distracted by cool whip
[06:45:12] <Fnord666> Thought i has scared you away for a moment.
[06:44:22] <nick> that's cool
[06:43:52] * nick clicks
[06:43:01] <Fnord666> I really like this poster and keep a printed copy on my wall.
[06:42:35] <exec> └─ 13Get a free logical fallacy poster
[06:42:31] <Fnord666> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com
[06:38:35] <Fnord666> and so crap gets retweeted/shared without a thought as to whether it's accurate or even true.
[06:37:40] <Fnord666> and reply to it
[06:36:35] <Fnord666> This means that they can't not look at that last tweet that pinged.
[06:35:19] <Fnord666> Similarly people seem almost compelled to reply when it's their turn. They spend more time thinking about what they are going to say next than actually listeninig to the other person
[06:34:20] <Fnord666> Most people have an implicit expectation of a dialog, a back and forth. When that stalls, it throws them off.
[06:33:20] <Fnord666> A common tactic in interrogation/meetings/negotiations is to simple not respond to the other person.
[06:32:26] <Fnord666> ping, ping, ping. Here's the latest 140 character stream of consciousness thought from someone
[06:31:38] <Fnord666> But social media, twitter, facebook, etc. encourages just the opposite.
[06:30:34] <Fnord666> My workaround. ymmv of course
[06:29:42] <nick> heh, smart way to deal with it
[06:28:57] <Fnord666> Later I can come back and reread the original message, reply appropriately and dump the draft into the trash.
[06:28:08] <Fnord666> If someone's email has me miffed I will hit the forward button and rip them a new one, then drop it into drafts with no To: or Cc:, then walk away.
[06:26:42] <Fnord666> Doubly so if emotions are involved.
[06:24:43] <nick> taking time to think is very important, especially when trying to communicate ideas or intentions
[06:23:46] <Fnord666> This sort of ties back to why I still hand write letters. It gives me time to think about what I want to say and how I want to say it rather than dashing off a quick, not very well thought out email.
[06:22:33] <nick> and it's on things you don't even need to misrepresent to validate your intention
[06:22:11] <nick> in my recent experiments with twitter, it's a horror show of people misrepresenting things all over the place
[06:21:59] <Fnord666> Exactly, at least not at first blush.
[06:21:14] <nick> so much information, so much of it meaningless or wrong and it's practically impossible to differentiate with any degree of reliability
[06:20:49] <Fnord666> Now more than ever I think that we need to be skeptical and not just retweet/share/reblog every thing in the world without thought.
[06:19:20] <Fnord666> and social media means a link to an article gets disseminated like wildfire
[06:18:33] <nick> they are essentially treated as equal now
[06:18:26] <Fnord666> if the source want it to look that way.
[06:18:11] <Fnord666> On the internet they can all easily look equal
[06:17:48] <nick> ah, yes
[06:17:35] <exec> <Fnord666> A physical storefront is easy to tell from a guy selling from the back of his van
[06:17:33] <Fnord666> s/ewasy/easy/
[06:17:23] <Fnord666> A physical storefront is ewasy to tell from a guy selling from the back of his van
[06:16:56] <Fnord666> A photocopied newsletter handed out at the busstop is easy to distinguish from a published city paper
[06:16:12] <Fnord666> The internet has made it very simple for any person or group to become a source of information and at the same time credibility has become very easy to fake.
[06:14:41] <nick> i'm sure there's something to be said for walled gardens in that situation... which is what a lot of people seem to prefer on some level
[06:14:07] <nick> it is information overload if you care to look.
[06:13:45] <nick> can you clarify the skeptic part?
[06:13:27] <Fnord666> The scale of information that is in our faces today is huge, bording on information overload.
[06:12:38] <Fnord666> I'm just not sure that the "new" generation is skeptic enough
[06:11:42] <Fnord666> definitely
[06:11:36] <nick> i remember 'growing up' in a different world
[06:11:24] <nick> there's been large shifts in perception and how we communicate and interact with the world
[06:11:19] <Fnord666> I think the transition is only beginning
[06:11:03] <Fnord666> it is interesting and now there's a generation that has effectively grown up in this revised culture.
[06:10:00] <Fnord666> ok
[06:09:40] <nick> probably a few other things too
[06:09:34] <nick> western society with the internet, social media and 'reality television'
[06:09:02] <Fnord666> We in this case being?
[06:08:39] <nick> it's still going to be interesting, i think socially and culturally we've gone through a transition in the last 10-15 years, and the political landscape reflects the completion of that transition
[06:08:35] <Fnord666> At least he's not a professional politician
[06:08:23] <Fnord666> what is it they say about trying the same thing over and over and hoping for different results?
[06:05:14] <nick> i don't think he's going to be effectively any different, bigger impact perhaps but same shit
[06:03:16] <Fnord666> I just don't trust Trump any farther than I can throw his toupee
[06:03:11] <nick> although i fear it could be more structural and involve more US corporate involvement in the health and emergency services, utilities and things like that.
[06:02:11] <nick> it could be good for some people, if trade with the US becomes easier and the £ is weaker, there is some potential to it
[06:00:49] <Fnord666> Be interesting to see what comes of that.
[05:58:28] <nick> that the uk and trump's administration can make some deal
[05:58:11] <nick> they seem to have high hopes for Trump
[05:57:40] <nick> from my perspective they don't have much of a tangible plan, just a lot of pandering rhetoric
[05:56:28] <nick> who knows what the government wants
[05:56:14] <nick> although there is apparently promise of 'the final deal' being put to parliament from what i read
[05:56:05] <Fnord666> Which is the opposite of what the govt wants, correct?
[05:55:42] <nick> and if they do fuck it up, it will be somewhat intentional to delay it further
[05:55:14] <nick> unless they do some real fuckery with the legislation they put forward, it will pass with strong support
[05:54:38] <nick> then the supreme court thing wouldn't have happened
[05:54:29] <nick> they should have to start with
[05:53:48] <Fnord666> That was the one I read. I guess the govt expects that the Parlimentary vote is just a formality?
[05:52:54] <nick> was a more general one
[05:52:40] <exec> └─ 13Brexit: Supreme Court says Parliament must give Article 50 go-ahead - BBC News
[05:52:39] <nick> http://www.bbc.com
[05:52:16] <nick> the bcc article was very much for those following and invested in the outcome
[05:51:33] <nick> what comes of it, i don't have much confidence in... but playing by their own rules, a vote in parliament is the right way to go
[05:50:19] <Fnord666> Agreed
[05:50:05] <nick> a government with a very limited mandate should not be able to act unilaterally on issues with large scope in my opinion
[05:49:52] <Fnord666> The BBC article was a tad confusing
[05:47:25] <nick> as far as consistency with government processes anyway
[05:46:48] <nick> it was the right one
[05:45:09] <Fnord666> And what do you think of their decision?
[05:42:36] <nick> i was up until stupid o'clock waiting for the uk supreme court decision
[05:41:29] <Fnord666> Was up at 3am monitoring some updates
[05:40:55] <Fnord666> took a little nap earlier
[05:40:21] <Fnord666> good.
[05:40:04] <nick> how is Fnord666
[05:40:01] <nick> no complaints here
[05:39:30] <nick> typing what i was reading there...
[05:39:28] <Fnord666> how's nick today?
[05:39:13] <Fnord666> lol
[05:39:07] <nick> sorry !
[05:39:02] <nick> err Fnord666 even
[05:38:56] <nick> hey charon
[05:33:43] <Fnord666> Hi nick
[05:33:33] <Fnord666> howdy charon
[05:03:28] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into nick's gaping mouth
[05:03:28] * nick yawns
[05:03:16] <Bytram> ok, this time for sure! laters!
[05:02:59] * Bytram rummages around for some dentures to donate -- comes up empty
[05:02:40] <Bytram> ^^ might already be submitted; not sure
[05:02:31] <charon> if only the SEC had teeth
[05:02:30] <exec> └─ 13Cisco's WebEx Chrome plugin will execute evil code, install malware via secret 'magic URL' • The Register
[05:02:27] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[05:02:04] <Bytram> ^^ subtitled: And SEC probes three-year gap between data swipe and disclosure
[05:01:47] <exec> └─ 13Yahoo! boo! hoo! hoo!: Verizon! hits! brakes! on! $4.8bn! biz! gobble! • The Register
[05:01:45] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[05:01:29] <charon> if they're on that river, they're fair game
[05:01:14] <Bytram> ;)
[05:01:10] <Bytram> and go easy on the river styx passersby, they prolly had enough of a rough day already!
[05:00:33] <charon> yea, tie
[05:00:32] <Bytram> will do, and you to!
[05:00:23] <charon> sleep well
[05:00:23] <Bytram> tie
[05:00:16] * exec hurriedly inserts a biodome of windows 95 into charon
[05:00:15] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[05:00:10] * exec figuratively postulates an xml representation of activex plugins towards bytram
[05:00:09] <charon> ~gnight bytram
[05:00:00] * charon gets ready to complain to the mgmt because his submission was deleted
[04:59:57] <Bytram> charon: hope you have a great night!
[04:59:50] <Bytram> good to 'see' you!
[04:59:45] <Bytram> all right, it's late and I need to get some sleep to give my body a chance to heal up...
[04:58:33] <Bytram> ok, will do.
[04:58:29] <Bytram> he also found a link to the journal article, too.
[04:58:14] <charon> you can just delete mine. karma means nothing to me
[04:57:47] <Bytram> the startdust story was submitted by TK earlier, and from the same story, no less.
[04:56:54] <Bytram> [:space:] [:alpha:] [:digit:] [:alnum:] [:blank:] [:lower:] [:upper:] (might be a typo or two in that list) and there are others
[04:55:53] <Bytram> there's a whole bunch of 'em -- I want to say they are called charaacter classes, but it's late and I'm tired
[04:55:12] <charon> interesting. i'm no regexp genius, but i don't recall [:punct:]. obvious what it does
[04:53:01] <Bytram> heh! it worked!
[04:52:55] <exec> <Bytram> <charon> didn't want to search for "flying circus" whilst at work
[04:52:54] <Bytram> charon: s/ing [^ [:punct:]]*/ing circus/
[04:52:08] <charon> didn't want to search for "flying penises" whilst at work
[04:51:43] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[04:51:43] <Bytram> !woop
[04:51:33] <charon> and i found the viedo i was looking for also
[04:50:10] <charon> yay
[04:50:00] <Bender> karma - charon: 15
[04:50:00] <Bytram> charon++
[04:49:58] <Bytram> aha! That's the one!
[04:48:09] <charon> i do too, but it's because my hearing is very poor
[04:47:36] * Bytram prefers a transcript -- can read MUCH faster
[04:46:22] <charon> letter part is around 50s
[04:46:01] <exec> └─ 13Windows Vista speech recognition - the whole story - YouTube
[04:45:59] <charon> https://www.youtube.com
[04:44:00] <Bytram> I think the words 'delete' and 'back'(or similar) were in it
[04:43:05] <Bytram> I remember it was presented like you wanted to write a letter, but it misheard something, and the presenter's efforts at working around it were, umm, 'interesting' is th epolite way to put it
[04:41:35] <charon> that's not much of a failure... must be something else
[04:38:42] <Bytram> oooh, MS? hmmmm, I think that might be it!
[04:38:35] <charon> oh, that's MS
[04:38:22] <exec> └─ 13MICROSOFT VOICE RECOGNITION FAIL AT CES 2012 LIVE DEMO - YouTube
[04:38:20] <charon> http://www.youtube.com ?
[04:37:57] <Bytram> was a few years ago IIRC
[04:37:19] <charon> i was looking for a link earlier today and couldn't find it either. google has moved on without us
[04:36:12] <Bytram> I want to say it was at a WWDC
[04:36:10] <charon> does not ring a bell
[04:35:55] <Bytram> ?
[04:35:54] <Bytram> they were demoing voice commands and it went haywire
[04:35:44] <Bytram> do you remember that apple(/) presentation way back when where
[04:35:31] <Bytram> while you're here...
[04:35:19] <Bytram> ;)
[04:35:18] <Bytram> butt out!
[04:35:12] <Bytram> hope that is long enough
[04:35:11] * charon starts saving up for the "Buy Bytram a new butt" fund
[04:35:09] <Bytram> have next two days off
[04:35:04] <Bytram> takes a while for 'em to kick in
[04:34:59] <Bytram> was prescribed some meds that should help
[04:34:48] <Bytram> saw doc this am
[04:34:44] <Bytram> prolly about 6 weeks
[04:34:31] <charon> sorry. any timeline on that healing up?
[04:34:15] <Bytram> tired, but good. sciatica is kicking my butt -- literally :/
[04:33:40] <charon> how'd'ye'do?
[04:33:15] <Bytram> nodnod
[04:33:07] <charon> oh, someone else subbed it too?
[04:32:45] <Bytram> btw, I just noticed you had submitted stardust story; didn't see it when I approved the other one -- I will merge 'em
[04:32:41] <charon> i feel like punching a nazi
[04:31:57] <Bytram> baby steps, padawan!
[04:31:28] <charon> story... but stork too, i guess
[04:31:15] <charon> Bytram: you broke my stork streak
[04:30:44] <charon> who dat ninja?
[02:53:56] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[02:53:45] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[02:53:45] <Bytram> #fite Hephaestus
[02:05:17] <exec> └─ 13Peter Thiel considering bid for California governor - POLITICO
[02:05:15] <nick> was only the other day... http://www.politico.com
[02:00:58] -!- charon_ has quit [Quit: going rogue]
[01:55:57] <takyon> gotta sleep, bye
[01:55:07] <takyon> can't see the numbers on the numpad keys
[01:53:41] <takyon> they call it curved, I call it warped!
[01:53:02] <exec> └─ 13Acer Predator 21X: Hands on with a curved 21”, dual-GTX 1080 “laptop” | Ars Technica
[01:53:01] <charon_> nick: this is the laptop you should have gotten: http://arstechnica.com
[01:49:22] <charon_> heh
[01:48:57] <takyon> get it in before aristarchus
[01:48:21] <nick> interesting sub there about thiel getting NZ citizenship
[01:45:49] <exec> └─ 13Cisco to buy AppDynamics for about $3.7 billion
[01:45:48] <nick> http://www.reuters.com
[01:45:18] <charon_> we're in the age of perpetual re-election
[01:44:56] <nick> not that it's likely to calm down in 2018
[01:44:18] <nick> it's going to be a year of some serious bullshit
[01:43:22] <takyon> no slow news day anymore
[01:43:10] <takyon> heard that
[01:41:17] <nick> trump is 'expected' to sign executive orders on immigration tomorrow
[01:40:23] <nick> they can't let the plan get out, takyon will be silenced
[01:38:54] -!- takyon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
[01:35:44] <nick> takyon, it's a strange world now... that can be taken as serious and a joke with equal ease
[01:35:02] <charon_> huh, i guess i'm not a pessimist after all
[01:34:41] <takyon> Mars will be the new Elysium
[01:34:21] <takyon> trump will hitch a ride on the muskmobile, and build golf courses on Mars. leaving Earth to DIE
[01:33:39] <nick> it wont be that bad, if it doesn't go well, trump can just offset the losses on his next project.
[01:32:15] <takyon> the joke is this planet. this planet is going into the fermi's paradox dustbin of failed planets
[01:31:48] <nick> or perhaps interdimensional britain, where creators of 'innovative financial products' are treated like the heroes they are
[01:29:44] <charon_> does tea grow on mars?
[01:28:02] <nick> a global britain was too limiting for such an awesome country like the UK, an inter-galactic britain is the only way... anything else and you're just talking your country down....
[01:23:23] <nick> takyon, on your joke there... i assume that will be the manifestation of the 'special-relationship' the US-UK has... Britain first in line for exiting the galactic community... The one time it won't be an America first policy, to show how strong the relationship is
[01:06:49] <nick> it's am important distinction between starting negotiations on something that may or may not happen... and starting negotiations on something that will happen
[01:06:23] <nick> i just think it
[01:05:06] <takyon> America will Brexit Earth from the galactic community, nuclearly, before UK can Brexit EU.
[01:04:41] <takyon> don't worry
[01:04:00] <nick> obviously it's a story which i have a personal interest in on various levels
[01:02:45] <nick> just giving my 2c, it's not wrong but there's more to it that could be be clearer in the headline
[01:01:15] <takyon> and if you want to change it, go ahead and do so. I submit awkward headlines all the time
[01:01:02] <charon_> hiyo nick
[01:00:44] <takyon> let's make sure we are treating "Brexit Talks" as a compound phrase in my headline, then take it from there
[01:00:26] <takyon> so
[01:00:23] <nick> not approving talking to the EU about leaving
[01:00:19] <nick> article 50 is approving leaving the EU
[01:00:03] <nick> 'official talks' is 'article 50' and once that happens, the UK is leaving not just talking about it
[01:00:01] <takyon> seeeems like a nitpick
[00:59:11] <takyon> why
[00:59:02] <nick> takyon, on the brexit, headline isn't quite accurate
[00:57:50] <takyon> haven't watched yet. debating submitting it
[00:54:53] <charon_> i can't tell if that video is funny or really disturbing
[00:50:10] <exec> └─ 13Welcome to the world of trolling in virtual reality | Ars Technica
[00:50:08] <takyon> http://arstechnica.com
[00:49:19] <charon_> nick and i were talking about this the other night
[00:49:10] <charon_> lol
[00:49:03] <takyon> charon_ reads the news straight of our sub list
[00:48:12] <charon_> good for the UK parliament. not like it will change the outcome, but at least they reasserted that the gov't does not have that authority
[00:45:04] * takyon sends charon_ to the river styx
[00:42:42] * charon_ re-enables the nazi punching story for 5 minutes ago
[00:42:38] <takyon> rogue two
[00:42:01] <charon_> i'm goin rogue!
[00:38:31] <takyon> added national parks story
[00:30:21] <takyon> let me finish the d-wave sub
[00:30:14] <takyon> ah, I think I noticed that one
[00:30:01] <chromas> I read soylentnews for the porn
[00:29:54] <charon_> takyon: you know he banned the national parks service from using social media too
[00:28:38] <charon_> and don't call me shirley
[00:28:25] <charon_> chromas: yes, exactly
[00:21:45] <exec> └─ 13D-Wave Launches 2,000-Qubit Quantum Annealing Computer, Announces First Customer
[00:21:44] <takyon> time to come to understanding of what the heck D-Wave has actually achieved: http://www.tomshardware.com
[00:21:00] <takyon> I read soylentnews for the articles
[00:20:32] <takyon> make articles great again = MAGA
[00:20:20] <takyon> MSGA
[00:18:57] <chromas> make stories great again
[00:18:47] <chromas> charon_: Shirley you mean one MAGA story
[00:17:32] <exec> └─ 13Error
[00:17:30] <takyon> speaking of politics, look at my additions to the story: https://soylentnews.org
[00:17:05] <takyon> read backscroll, saw that charon already got roasted
[00:12:50] <takyon_> it resolved itself in under a minute and I didn't lose any data, but just thought I'd throw it out there
[00:12:24] <takyon_> previewing and update
[00:12:11] <exec> └─ 13Error
[00:12:09] <takyon_> got some internal server errors while trying to update https://soylentnews.org about 2 minutes ago
[00:11:55] <takyon_> TheMightyBuzzard
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