#editorial | Logs for 2016-12-15
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[23:42:40] juggs is now known as Deucalion
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[23:02:06] <takyon> local newspaper
[23:00:57] <takyon> I also added an extra link to the no-knock story just now
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[20:03:25] * janrinok holds nose and leaves hurriedly
[20:03:00] * exec flatulantly experiences a hugbox of breakfast chili with janrinok
[20:02:59] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:02:50] <charon> take care janrinok
[20:02:47] * exec abnormally culturally appropriates a tablespoon of hashrefs from all
[20:02:46] <janrinok> ~gnight all
[20:02:41] <janrinok> gtg
[20:01:59] <cmn32480> you gave a bro-hug
[20:01:27] <charon> that's the problem. i like the story itself
[20:01:05] <janrinok> I don't see a problem with that story - although I'm sure it will start a few 'discussions' :~)
[20:00:02] <charon> lol
[19:59:47] <janrinok> charon, thx - I'm sure that things will change over time, at least I hope so!
[19:59:23] * charon gives janrinok and S non-demonstrative friendly but not too familiar pats on the shoulder
[19:59:13] <janrinok> ah, OK, I'll read it in a moment
[19:58:17] <janrinok> thanks - I've got less than 2 minutes left
[19:57:53] <Bytram> {{{{ JR }}}}
[19:57:52] <janrinok> charon, nope, not seen
[19:57:49] <Bytram> {{{{ S }}}
[19:57:39] <janrinok> {{{cmn32480}}} too from S
[19:57:34] <charon> oh, sorry. man found not guilty of shooting cops while defending home
[19:57:11] <janrinok> got to log in to read that link
[19:57:06] <Bytram> lol
[19:57:03] * cmn32480 waves to S and gives janrinok the hand
[19:56:36] <exec> └─ 13Error
[19:56:35] <charon> https://soylentnews.org
[19:56:29] <janrinok> S says {{{bytram}}}
[19:56:14] * Bytram would *like* that
[19:56:13] <janrinok> which story
[19:56:04] <janrinok> Bytram, you take care and I'll speak to you soon I hope
[19:56:00] <cmn32480> THIEF!
[19:55:50] <charon> oh i see it now, takyon took it
[19:55:35] <janrinok> charon - yes, but remind me
[19:55:21] <Bytram> janrinok: give my best to S -- always good to see you and to partake of your seasoned sensibilities and perspective -- espcially during this especially hectic time of year for me!
[19:55:02] <charon> oh, janrinok. before you go: did you display that story i left a note about?
[19:54:42] <janrinok> good*
[19:54:40] <janrinok> have a godd nap Bytram - I'm going in a few minutes
[19:54:21] <exec> <Bytram> we're too modest, too
[19:54:20] <Bytram> s/m/mo/
[19:54:13] <Bytram> we're too mdest, too
[19:54:00] <janrinok> we know
[19:53:56] <charon> you guys are too good
[19:53:46] <janrinok> I'll give you all of my December's salary plus my Christmas bonus from SN
[19:53:30] <cmn32480> janrinok - the deductable isn't worth the cost or change in rates for a small item like this
[19:53:15] * Bytram offers 10% of his editorial salary
[19:52:58] <charon> i've set up a gofundme page, if you guys would like to contribute
[19:52:52] <Bytram> today is what you'all would call 'Friday' -- I think I'm gonna take a nap.
[19:52:44] <janrinok> yup, but everything I own is covered by some insurance, be it car, home and contents, or my special policies for my computers
[19:52:30] <charon> aye
[19:52:22] <cmn32480> then eat the $230 and move on
[19:52:00] <charon> it's a seperate plug in cord
[19:51:44] <charon> doubtful. it's not actually a part of the car
[19:51:24] <janrinok> is it covered by your insurance?
[19:50:57] <charon> the thing is, management doesn't exactly know i do it. my direct boss looks the other way, but i don't want to risk having the store manager telling me i can't do it
[19:50:09] <cmn32480> and see if managemetn cna look at the video to see what ashole ran it over
[19:50:05] <charon> if i must, i must. honestly, my dealer might help me out in a case like this, i haven't called them yet
[19:49:33] <Bytram> there's always the option of getting a rental car... IIRC Enterprise will pick you up, bring you to their office, have you sign the forms (and drop off the car bringer)
[19:48:44] <charon> hmm, too much messing around. i have about 2/3 charge now, so i think i can make it through the weekend. i don't drive much
[19:48:04] <Bytram> umm, electric motor
[19:47:49] <Bytram> maybe do a feris beuler with a motor shaft pressed again a tire?
[19:47:36] <cmn32480> the car just need to get amped up
[19:47:15] * cmn32480 notes that you will need new brakes after donig that once or twice
[19:46:56] <Bytram> LOL!
[19:46:48] <charon> i'll just have it towed to the top of Mt Washington and let the regenerative brakes power me up
[19:46:38] <Bytram> e's not dead, e's pining for the fjiords!
[19:46:14] <cmn32480> if it doens't.. he can accurately bring the car out when somebody says "Bring out your dead!"
[19:46:09] <Bytram> charon: but seriously, sorry to hear about yer charger problem -- makes things a bit more "interesting" -- especially during this busy time of the year
[19:46:02] * janrinok notes two coconuts riding away
[19:45:32] * Bytram makes clip clop sounds with two coconut halves
[19:45:31] * cmn32480 suddenly hears the jeopardy theme
[19:45:12] <charon> it's going to be tight, but i think the charger will arrive in time
[19:45:05] <Bytram> that's like 100 gal of gas, right?
[19:45:04] <janrinok> I think my car cost less than that
[19:44:55] <cmn32480> now the race is on... do you get the charger, or run out of juice first!
[19:44:49] <charon> $230
[19:44:36] <charon> car is fine, i ordered a replacememnt charger last night
[19:44:32] * cmn32480 giggles with the memory
[19:44:22] <cmn32480> I didn't bother trying
[19:44:18] <charon> hush you
[19:44:01] * janrinok is trying not to lol
[19:43:49] <cmn32480> had it plugged in at work, and somebody ran over his charger
[19:43:38] <cmn32480> charon has a Nissna Leaf...
[19:42:51] <cmn32480> half full?
[19:42:50] <janrinok> new car?
[19:42:42] <cmn32480> how the car?
[19:42:36] * exec literally embiggens a tube of fries with charon's
[19:42:35] <cmn32480> ~gday charon's car
[19:42:28] * exec hideously requisitions a buttcrack of ether for charon
[19:42:27] <janrinok> ~gday charon you have arrived just in time to see me prepare to leave
[19:41:56] <cmn32480> make like a tree... and leaf
[19:41:48] * charon considers looking at the backscroll
[19:41:35] <charon> hiyo
[19:37:25] <exec> └─ 13404 Error - The Page Cannot be Found
[19:37:24] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[19:23:31] * cmn32480 puts away the popcormn
[19:23:23] <cmn32480> that was far entertianing than I had hoped
[19:22:06] <Bytram> k
[19:22:03] <janrinok> as I say, np
[19:21:53] <Bytram> past eperience had dubbed them to be of no value, in my estimation, just assumed the same, here
[19:21:45] <janrinok> I wasn't in love with it - but I had noted that it was one of their library links
[19:21:26] <Bytram> didn't even foloow the link
[19:21:10] <janrinok> np Bytram - if you think it wasn't helping, bin it
[19:21:09] <Bytram> I can restore if you'd like
[19:20:51] <Bytram> please accept my humble apologies
[19:20:51] <janrinok> it was all to do with the environment and losing topsoil and other resources.
[19:20:45] <Bytram> oh, my bad then.
[19:20:23] <janrinok> I assessed that link as being relevant - but no matter.
[19:20:22] <cmn32480> /me thinks he is porbably dipping into the total for next year
[19:20:11] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[19:20:11] <Bytram> !woop
[19:20:10] <cmn32480> I got 2 thigns rtright today!
[19:20:03] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!\
[19:19:55] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 80
[19:19:55] <Bytram> cmn32480++ gets it
[19:19:44] * cmn32480 thigks that the point is not that it works... it is that it points to a realtievly uselss page
[19:19:43] <Bytram> was it actually worth retaining? I'm not saying the link gave a 404, but rather whenever I saw such links I took em to be less than useful
[19:19:01] * cmn32480 gets popcorn for the battel fo the Titans
[19:19:01] <Bytram> fixed
[19:18:57] <janrinok> it worked for me, and it links to pages about water
[19:18:48] * Bytram holds up a mirror
[19:18:40] * exec points at Bytram
[19:18:39] <cmn32480> ~blame
[19:18:32] <Bytram> JR
[19:18:17] <cmn32480> who firsted it?
[19:18:09] <Bytram> yeah, but I'm 2nding a story and found one
[19:17:55] <cmn32480> duh?
[19:17:50] <cmn32480> right. Those links shoudl be pulled
[19:17:37] <exec> └─ 13404 Error - The Page Cannot be Found
[19:17:35] <Bytram> but... that means the phys.org stories get their IMHO gratuitous links to things like: <a href="http://phys.org/tags/surface+water/" title="phys.org">surface water</a>
[19:17:08] <cmn32480> works out only a portion of the time
[19:17:03] <cmn32480> yep
[19:16:49] <Bytram> p666 has learned to "view source" and submit his subs with links that are imbeded in a story...
[19:16:10] <Bytram> ugh.
[19:15:33] <Bytram> have HIM work from home
[19:15:20] <janrinok> or*#
[19:15:16] <janrinok> one extreme of the other looks good
[19:14:59] <cmn32480> if I stay far, I'll prolly be safeer
[19:14:14] <janrinok> so no problem with hatching a cover story to explain why you are sticking so close to him - perfect
[19:14:11] <Bytram> that's a lot of cringing
[19:13:52] <cmn32480> I've known the guy 10 years...
[19:13:36] <janrinok> start giving him that look which suggests that he needs to be careful of you in times of accident.
[19:13:04] <cmn32480> long as I survive... I'm good
[19:12:37] <janrinok> ... or land on top of the fat man that caused it all
[19:12:08] <janrinok> yet still it survived!
[19:11:53] <Bytram> no doubt the water balloon was made of kevlar
[19:11:21] <janrinok> what he needs is water filled balloons - someone I know submitted a story about dropping them onto a bed of nails, no problems
[19:11:09] * Bytram grabs a feather and puts it in his hat
[19:10:46] * cmn32480 is starting to grow feathers, just in case
[19:10:35] <janrinok> lol
[19:10:21] * Bytram prepares helium-filled water wings for cmn32480
[19:09:39] <janrinok> I like your optimism
[19:09:27] <cmn32480> nah... 10-12'
[19:09:00] <janrinok> you will be falling 20' onto it - piece of cake :~)
[19:08:36] <cmn32480> if the building collapses, I won't bu UNDER the concrete floor
[19:08:14] <janrinok> so falling 20' onto collapsing rubble is easy?
[19:08:05] <Bytram> brb
[19:08:03] <Bytram> why is that better? I'd think being on the ground floor would reduce the vibration
[19:07:34] <cmn32480> tyhankfully we are on the second floor of a 2 story building
[19:07:29] <Bytram> Orly? YIKES!
[19:07:18] <cmn32480> I'm in a corner office already
[19:07:07] <Bytram> move your office nearer the [outside] wall
[19:06:31] <cmn32480> definetly #2... possibly #1
[19:06:05] <Bytram> is the building that unstructurally sound or is he that heavy? Or both?
[19:05:04] <cmn32480> is it bad that I cringe every time the guy in the next office gets up because he makes the building shake?
[19:02:58] <cmn32480> and we run between 12 adn 18 per day
[19:02:37] * Bytram usually subs a couple three stories a month
[19:01:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh
[19:01:38] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - I woudl guess that minus P666, 60% of what you see on the main page gets subbed via exec, MrPLow, or Arthur
[19:00:14] <exec> └─ 13Trump claims “nobody really knows” what climate scientists definitely know | Ars Technica
[19:00:12] <Bytram> if you'd like to include that xkcd infographic in a story, it was posted in a comment in reply to: http://arstechnica.com
[19:00:10] <janrinok> but*
[19:00:05] <janrinok> we prolly use more of them than you imagine, buy point taken
[18:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp. mrplow subs at least are meant by me to be a last ditch line of stuff for yall to dig through when ya got nothing else.
[18:58:55] * Bytram hums
[18:58:53] * Bytram has plenty of nothing, cause nothing is plenty for me
[18:58:24] <janrinok> Understood, but when we have an empty queue, anything is better than nothing
[18:58:19] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Submissions
[18:58:17] <Bytram> the &title... stuff is optional. so, could conceptually do: for ($subid=17470; $subid<=17480; $subid++) {launch https://soylentnews.org}
[18:57:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, we don't want to encourage others to use it though. we want to encourage them to submit in a form that causes you lot less work.
[18:57:55] <cmn32480> damnint.. we already deleted that
[18:56:37] <exec> └─ 13NYPD arrests Muslim girl who claimed attack by Trump supporters | Fox News: SoylentNews Submission
[18:56:35] <Bytram> fwiw: https://soylentnews.org
[18:55:38] <janrinok> it might be something to think about if we want to encourage others to use it
[18:55:03] <Bytram> oh, yeah. nvm
[18:54:53] <janrinok> it doesn't affect R1956's karma, it won't show up in his declined story list, I suspect he won't even notice
[18:54:49] <Bytram> could prolly just go to the user's page and scroll down to his submissions
[18:54:11] <janrinok> I'm not particularly fussed Bytram
[18:53:53] <Bytram> I should be able to retrieve the submission...
[18:53:35] <cmn32480> exec subs as AC
[18:53:32] <Bytram> nope
[18:53:31] <cmn32480> it gets MrPlow Karma
[18:53:24] <cmn32480> correct
[18:53:13] <janrinok> so submitting by exec or MrPlow doesn't get you any karma either?
[18:53:06] <cmn32480> POOF!
[18:52:25] <janrinok> too late now - I've deleted it
[18:52:15] <cmn32480> so we are back to my suggestion of using the admin->user messaaging
[18:51:43] <janrinok> OK, understood.
[18:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i'm loathe to build in submitting on someone else's behalf to the code.
[18:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> well mrplow can't
[18:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, i can't log in as runaway1956 though
[18:50:22] <janrinok> if the software parses the text it says 'submitted by Runaway1956' - I think there might be a clue there
[18:50:10] <cmn32480> first time today
[18:50:07] <cmn32480> I got one right!
[18:50:04] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[18:49:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, correct
[18:49:30] <cmn32480> but as MrPlow logs in adn subs the story, I don't think it possible
[18:48:57] <janrinok> zactly!
[18:48:50] <cmn32480> that;d be a question for paulej72 or TheMightyBuzzard
[18:48:19] <janrinok> well, if it knows who sent it, it should be changed to message the submitter?
[18:48:16] <cmn32480> we woudl ahve to use the Admin->User messaging on the user page to send the message in taht instance
[18:47:57] <cmn32480> correct
[18:47:46] <janrinok> well, if it gets subbed by r1956 via MrPlow, the software knows who submitted the story, but you are suggesting that it will message MrPlow
[18:47:20] * cmn32480 doens't fdollow
[18:47:10] <cmn32480> huh?
[18:46:32] <janrinok> that is something to look at for a software change in the future - we've got the messaging system but can't use it
[18:45:52] <janrinok> ah no, never mind
[18:45:40] <cmn32480> but no, not really
[18:45:36] <cmn32480> it made me giggle
[18:45:23] <cmn32480> subbed via MrPlow... you sent a separeate message?
[18:45:11] <janrinok> is the therapy story any better?
[18:44:47] <janrinok> with explanation to R1956 of course
[18:44:38] <janrinok> deleted
[18:44:23] <cmn32480> me neither
[18:44:21] <cmn32480> nope
[18:43:58] <janrinok> I can't see any useful discussion arising from it
[18:43:44] <janrinok> NYPD arrest
[18:43:19] <cmn32480> therapy or the NYPD arerst?
[18:42:58] <cmn32480> he subbed 2 that were gonna go that way
[18:42:50] <cmn32480> which one?
[18:42:34] <janrinok> I think I am going to delete a Runaway 1956 story - it looks more like a recipe for another political disaster slanging match
[18:42:15] <cmn32480> and haven't had a chance to touch it today.
[18:42:08] <cmn32480> I cloned to test last night
[18:42:00] <cmn32480> the production box is running
[18:41:54] <cmn32480> it si getting there.
[18:41:24] <exec> └─ 13Storybot - SoylentNews
[18:41:22] <cmn32480> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[18:41:08] <cmn32480> Exec adn Arthur are cooperating
[18:41:00] <janrinok> my thigns are OK. You got that server up and running yet?
[18:40:36] <janrinok> When P666 does a major post on the Thursday, it usually means he won't post again until after the weekend.... Shame, we might have to work a bit
[18:39:52] <cmn32480> so how are thigns janrinok ?
[18:37:48] <Bytram> ok, gtg...biab
[18:37:36] <Bytram> lol
[18:37:01] * cmn32480 is now rested adn keeps scrolling
[18:36:24] * Bytram offers cmn32480 a Pg-Dn key... or middle click and just watch it scroll
[18:35:46] <janrinok> the last few years are very telling
[18:35:31] <cmn32480> my fingers are too tired to scroll that far... I on;y got to 3000BCE before I lost interest
[18:34:46] <Bytram> thanks! even though I was pretty sure I knew what was coming, it blew me away with how abrupt the change was
[18:34:09] <janrinok> good find Bytram
[18:32:05] <exec> └─ 13xkcd: Earth Temperature Timeline
[18:32:04] <Bytram> https://xkcd.com
[18:32:02] <Bytram> FOUND IT!
[18:31:42] <Bytram> chew chew -- is really time for me to find something to eat... back in a bit
[18:31:31] <cmn32480> especially Steamy's... those diesels aren't as fun
[18:31:19] * janrinok thinks that they no longer make either of those noises
[18:30:54] <janrinok> choo choo!
[18:30:50] <cmn32480> TOOT TOOT!
[18:30:49] <janrinok> lol
[18:30:43] <cmn32480> I like trains
[18:30:11] <janrinok> cmn32480, I thought you might follow that statement with a link or a train of thought?
[18:25:14] <cmn32480> man is irrelevant
[18:25:11] <Bytram> I dunnoyet
[18:25:10] <Bytram> oh, wait... think it was tuesday I saw it.
[18:25:04] <janrinok> what are you having?
[18:25:01] <cmn32480> global warming is a natural phenomenon
[18:24:55] <Bytram> janrinok: laundry is done, dishes are clean, lunch awaits preparation.
[18:24:48] <janrinok> not seen, so I can't help
[18:24:23] * Bytram was reading a story on Ars in the past couple days and saw a phenomenal infographic on global warming... vertical time line... from (guesing) 20k years ago to present... looked like a link to an xkcd graphic, but can't find it now.
[18:23:53] * exec dexterously fires a boot of pre-snorted fridge mold at cmn32480
[18:23:52] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[18:23:48] * exec emphatically instantiates a dong of Johnny Moo Milk Drops for janrinok
[18:23:47] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok \
[18:23:28] * exec derisively inserts The Cloud of TopKek into Bytram
[18:23:26] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram - washing and ironing today?
[18:23:08] <Bytram> janrinok: g'day!
[18:18:35] * exec metrosexually ships a BTRFS volume of ice cream with soylentils
[18:18:33] <janrinok> ~gday soylentils
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[13:00:27] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[13:00:02] <exec> └─ 13Europe's own satnav Galileo goes live (Update)
[13:00:02] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:00:01] <Bytram|hiding> #submit http://phys.org
[11:33:01] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:32:55] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:32:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Hephaestus
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[06:14:43] <charon> night
[06:14:40] <Fnord666> night.
[06:14:34] <Fnord666> :-)
[06:14:29] <Fnord666> meh. Call it a push.
[06:14:23] <charon> tie
[06:14:15] * exec inadequately combines a shitload of windows with Fnord666
[06:14:14] <charon> ~gnight Fnord666
[06:14:08] * exec sardonically pairs a ½ cup of U-matic tapes with charon
[06:14:07] <Fnord666> ~gnight charon
[06:14:01] <Fnord666> you too.
[06:13:58] <Fnord666> I'll chat with you tomorrow.
[06:13:57] <charon> take care and sleep well
[06:13:45] <charon> skip that a
[06:13:36] <charon> likewaise
[06:13:32] <Fnord666> It's been good talking to you.
[06:13:23] <Fnord666> Well I just realized it's after 1am so I better get some sleep.
[06:12:35] <Fnord666> That's good.
[06:12:15] <charon> i don't work until noon though, so i won't usually have to get it started at the coldest part of the day
[06:11:31] <charon> yep, so i have some trepidation about how winter will go
[06:11:14] <Fnord666> probably parked outside?
[06:11:13] <charon> yeah
[06:11:06] <Fnord666> you on the other hand...
[06:10:56] <charon> yep, for people who plug in all night, it's generally not a problem
[06:10:51] <Fnord666> but I don't know that much about the batteries in EVs
[06:10:25] <Fnord666> I would think the charging would keep the battery pack warm.
[06:10:09] <Fnord666> Probably something like that temp, yes.
[06:09:34] <Fnord666> I wasn't sure,
[06:09:20] <charon> nope
[06:09:14] <charon> but not until sustained temps of IIRC -14?
[06:09:05] <Fnord666> does the leaf have oil at all?
[06:08:48] <Fnord666> A block heater is not a bad idea for any vehicle with oil that operates in subzero temps.
[06:08:47] <charon> because the battery chemicals can freeze
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[06:08:06] <charon> hah
[06:07:56] <charon> the manual recommends having a block heater if it is going to be super cold
[06:07:54] <Fnord666> when it kicks on you can almost use the electric meter for a table saw it's spinning so fast.
[06:07:32] <Fnord666> built into the furnace.
[06:07:22] <Fnord666> Normally that is an electrical resistance heater.
[06:07:08] <Fnord666> Once the temp drops below a certain point though heat pumps basically stop working and some sort of supplemental heating has to kick in
[06:06:33] <Fnord666> We have a heat pump for the house.
[06:06:22] <Fnord666> I can definitely vouch for that
[06:06:14] <charon> --wikipedia
[06:06:07] <Fnord666> does the opposite for cooling
[06:06:04] <charon> In heating mode, heat pumps are three to four times more efficient in their use of electric power than simple electrical resistance heaters
[06:05:51] <Fnord666> Yep. as a heater it extracts heat from outside and radiates it inside.
[06:05:21] <Fnord666> It's just like running the heater in reverse to provide cooling.
[06:05:21] <charon> oh, looks like the same device is run in reverse for each operation
[06:04:01] <charon> i'd have to look at the specs again. i don't pretend to know what that is
[06:03:58] <Fnord666> So it would be comparable to the heating drain then.
[06:03:35] <Fnord666> oh really? Interesting.
[06:03:23] <charon> something something heat pump
[06:03:11] <Fnord666> Different type of drain on the system though.
[06:03:10] <charon> but i got it in oct. have not needed it yet
[06:02:53] <charon> yes
[06:02:45] <Fnord666> presumably it has AC?
[06:01:55] <charon> there a real time guage that shows expected mileage, and when i turn on the heat it drops by ~10%
[06:01:12] <charon> significantly.
[06:01:01] <Fnord666> I wonder how that impacts the range?
[06:00:23] <charon> i have only turned on interior the heat to defrost the window. so far i have not really needed it
[05:58:51] <Fnord666> It's amazing what a difference that makes. It might only be psychological..
[05:58:16] <charon> so i see why you'd want the grips on your bike heated
[05:58:10] <Fnord666> that would be nice.
[05:57:53] <charon> my car has a heated steering wheel. if you had asked me two months ago, i would have said that was stupid, but i love it now
[05:57:50] <Fnord666> but two wheels and ice do not get along without spikes of some sort
[05:57:18] <Fnord666> and heated pants/socks/vest/gloves/seat/grips
[05:57:02] <charon> goretex
[05:56:57] <charon> goggles
[05:56:37] <Fnord666> I could get over that way a lot faster on the motorcycle, but it's a bit chilly out...
[05:56:00] <Fnord666> lol
[05:55:55] <charon> i'll be by to pick you up in about 3 weeks
[05:55:44] <charon> lets see, i can drive for two hours before i need to charge for 8...
[05:55:26] <Fnord666> there you go!
[05:55:11] <charon> road trip!
[05:54:49] <Fnord666> me too
[05:54:32] <charon> one of these days i want to see Yellowstone before the caldera blows and kills us all
[05:54:00] <charon> i've lived in milwaukee, minneapolis, and boston. taken a short couple trips to CA. but not seen much in between
[05:53:03] <charon> rofl
[05:52:57] <Fnord666> oh yes, SE is definitely in the "row faster, I hear banjos" territory.
[05:52:30] <Fnord666> I've been out to the west coast but not much between the rockies and the mississippi
[05:52:13] <charon> sorry, SE
[05:52:08] <charon> huh, i guess the SW part is in appalachia.
[05:51:33] <Fnord666> yeah, I picture KS being exactly like that.
[05:50:57] <Fnord666> at least in years past
[05:50:47] <Fnord666> and forest/logging
[05:50:23] <Fnord666> southeast gets towards West Virginia and coal
[05:49:54] <Fnord666> All of that is more to the north where the glaciers scraped things flat
[05:49:34] <charon> a college friend was fron KS. he always said, "as boring as you think it is, it's even worse than that"
[05:49:27] <Fnord666> Lots of hay fields
[05:48:50] <Fnord666> field corn and sweet corn mostly. Soybeans on alternate years
[05:48:23] <charon> popcorn?
[05:48:04] <charon> lol
[05:48:01] <Fnord666> corn, corn,corn,corn,corn,trooper,corn,corn,corn
[05:47:47] <Fnord666> here's what you missing
[05:47:32] <charon> i have only ever passed through. i cannot recall ever stopping in your fair state (sorry)
[05:47:31] <Fnord666> Went to college in Ohio as well.
[05:46:32] <Fnord666> Almost my whole life. We spent a couple of years in Illinois when my Dad was in college and I spent 4 years in the army
[05:45:37] <charon> you've always lived in OH?
[05:44:05] <Fnord666> That's good at least.
[05:43:55] <charon> we get along tolerably well; our breakup was not really acrimonious
[05:43:23] <Fnord666> yup
[05:43:04] <charon> eh, i normally hate this phrase but: it is what it is.
[05:42:29] <Fnord666> That's tough.
[05:41:43] <charon> if not for my kids being here, i'd probably move back to minneapolis
[05:41:32] <Fnord666> Seems like a nice city. I haven't lived there though.
[05:41:19] <charon> it's not a bad place, but i'm not attached to it.
[05:40:27] <charon> and there was not a lot keeping us in Mpls
[05:40:03] <charon> my ex (then wife) got a job offer here that was too good to pass up
[05:39:50] <Fnord666> if you don't mind me asking
[05:39:33] <Fnord666> So what brought you to Boston?
[05:39:18] <Fnord666> Me too if given the choice again.
[05:38:47] <charon> yeah, i'll pass on that
[05:37:16] <Fnord666> You would get to houses and have to guess where the door was because the whole side of the house was under drifted show.
[05:36:51] <Fnord666> That would be it.
[05:35:59] <Fnord666> This was a once in a lifetime "I hope" event.
[05:35:50] <charon> must be this one that i have faint memories of. my mom had a coffee mug that said "i survived the blizzard of 78"
[05:35:44] <Fnord666> And deal with it all the time.
[05:35:29] <Fnord666> It does except they know what they're doing.
[05:34:57] <charon> sounds like antarctica
[05:34:35] <Fnord666> Dad tied a rope around my waist so I could find my way back. At the wood pile I couldn't see the house.
[05:34:29] <charon> wild
[05:34:00] <Fnord666> I went outside briefly to get firewood. The wood pile was 30 feet from the house. Couldn't see it.
[05:33:28] <Fnord666> that we went out
[05:33:23] <Fnord666> That was after.
[05:33:14] <charon> sheeeit, and you went out in that? or after?
[05:32:46] <Fnord666> Particularly hard hit were the states of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and southeast Wisconsin where up to 40 inches (102 cm) of snow fell. Winds gusting up to 100 miles per hour (161 km/h) caused drifts that nearly buried some homes. Wind chill values reached −60 °F (−51 °C) across much of Ohio where 51 of the total 70 storm-related deaths occurred
[05:32:16] <charon> huh, maybe it was this one
[05:31:53] <exec> └─ 13Great Blizzard of 1978 - Wikipedia
[05:31:52] <Fnord666> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:31:44] <charon> i vaguely recall a huge blizzard in Milw in 79, but i was very young
[05:31:12] <charon> i bet. when a blizzard gets referred to by year, it must have been a doozy
[05:30:49] <Fnord666> I imagine that's what Alaska is like every winter.
[05:30:39] <Fnord666> No one went anywhere but by snowmobile for a while there.
[05:30:01] <Fnord666> I spent three days on a snowmobile with my Dad during the blizzard of '78 running food, fuel, and checking on shut-ins in the township
[05:29:34] <charon> i like snow, as long as i don't have to be out in it all day
[05:28:24] <Fnord666> I grew up in ohio and I remember many families had snowmobiles and enough winter to make them practical.
[05:27:07] <Fnord666> alt = salt
[05:27:05] <charon> ayep
[05:27:01] <Fnord666> yeah the alt, runoff, silt, etc. is probably really bad for the bay.
[05:26:37] <charon> usually dumping snow into the bay is illegal. they had no choice that year
[05:26:25] <Fnord666> Gotta do what you gotta do.
[05:25:42] <charon> one of my boss' friends owned some vacant land, the city paid him a huge amount to let them dump snow there
[05:25:41] <Fnord666> That might have been when I saw the videos because they had no where else to put the plowed snow
[05:25:07] <Fnord666> now that's some snow
[05:24:47] <Fnord666> once
[05:24:47] <charon> two years ago, we got a storm every 3-4 dyas. about 8-12 inches each. it was a wild
[05:24:43] <Fnord666> I think I plowed the driveway ocne last year.
[05:24:30] <Fnord666> Yeah, it's been odd the last couple of years.
[05:24:05] <charon> three years ago, almost nothing. two years ago, all winter in a month. last year, below normal such that there was a drought all spring
[05:24:00] <Fnord666> I recall seeing them chuting the snow into dump trucks to take to the bay to dump
[05:22:58] <charon> or
[05:22:53] <charon> feast of famine, around here
[05:22:36] <charon> i miss the thunderstorms in summertime
[05:22:32] <Fnord666> Boston seems to get some interesting snowfalls
[05:21:56] <Fnord666> Something.
[05:21:31] <charon> i guess it does. maybe coming around the southern end of the lake does something to the weather pattern
[05:20:58] <Fnord666> interesting. Doesn't Chicago get hammered?
[05:19:48] <charon> actually milwaukee never got huge snows because it's right by the lake. sure some, but not monster blizzards
[05:19:09] <Fnord666> Sounds like you're no stranger to snow then
[05:18:40] <Fnord666> They aren't cadillac trucks by any means
[05:18:20] <Fnord666> of course a lot of them actually get used as trucks also.
[05:17:45] <Fnord666> My younger daughter is in high school and every fourth vehicle in the parking lot is a truck
[05:17:40] <charon> but i grew up in WI, so i'm a midwesterner at heart
[05:17:22] <charon> Boston MA here
[05:17:09] <Fnord666> Ohio
[05:17:05] <charon> where abouts are you?
[05:16:49] <Fnord666> With dualies in the rear if possible.
[05:16:34] <charon> fuck. i have heard of that, but never encountered it
[05:16:16] <Fnord666> There must be a lot of "little man" syndrome around this part of the country because "rolling coal" is the new hip thing here.
[05:15:23] <charon> yeah. plus, not a lot of people feel the need for a large peni-- i mean truck
[05:15:23] <Fnord666> An insane change in the energy density of batteries would do it, or an insane change in the price of crude oil
[05:14:24] <Fnord666> I expect daily commutes are much shorter, whether by distance or my available mass transit
[05:13:57] <Fnord666> I can see it taking off in Europe much sooner
[05:13:45] <Fnord666> perfect.
[05:13:30] * charon takes the temperature of the water he's in. 180 degrees, just right!
[05:13:01] <Fnord666> How do you boil a frog? :-)
[05:12:43] <charon> unless this is how fanaticism begins
[05:12:39] <Fnord666> I can't see employers providing 300 charging stations in the parking lot either
[05:12:28] <charon> i'm not a fanatic, but i have done some reading and thinking
[05:11:45] <charon> i can get away with the leaf that goes ~120 mi/charge, but a lot of people cannot
[05:11:09] <charon> all three of those have to work together
[05:10:56] <charon> plus range plus charging infrastructure
[05:10:20] <Fnord666> cars that is
[05:10:13] <Fnord666> There's some that will but if you want to get the majority of the market, the cards will need to be competitive in price
[05:08:16] <charon> true. if that goes away, no one will be buying
[05:07:55] <Fnord666> As long as the tax incentives continue also
[05:07:26] <charon> and they have enough fanatics to keep them in business until they get the price down for the normal folks
[05:06:53] <charon> still early days. i bet in a few more years they'll be fine
[05:06:19] <Fnord666> looks like they are having growing pains trying to downscale into the middle market also
[05:05:49] <Fnord666> yeah, that's the thing with teslas
[05:05:32] <charon> if it were in my price range, i would have gotten a tesla
[05:05:32] <Fnord666> loves
[05:05:29] <Fnord666> still oves it.
[05:05:05] <Fnord666> waited 19 months to buy a tesla
[05:04:50] <charon> heheh
[05:04:45] <Fnord666> in a good way reminds
[05:04:39] <Fnord666> no, not at all
[05:04:32] <Fnord666> Been selling juice back to the electric co for years.
[05:04:32] <charon> uh oh. one of those crazy guys who goes all evangelical?
[05:04:10] <Fnord666> You remind me of a guy I know at work.
[05:03:46] <charon> i'm a fan
[05:02:55] <Fnord666> Gotta love free energy
[05:02:08] <charon> plus my landlord already has solar panels on the roof. it would make it more or less free
[05:01:16] <Fnord666> Should have known CA
[05:01:10] <charon> it would be california
[05:00:45] <exec> └─ 13CA To Require New Buildings To Be Prepped For Electric-Car Charging Stations
[05:00:43] <charon> http://www.greencarreports.com
[05:00:37] <Fnord666> Especially when the electrician is there already and it wouldn't be much additional work in the grand scheme
[04:59:56] <Fnord666> If I were building I think I would have it installed.
[04:59:38] <charon> maybe it was europe
[04:59:29] <charon> i swear i read an article about that recently
[04:59:19] <Fnord666> wonder
[04:59:14] <Fnord666> I onder how long before all new construction includes a wired charging station in the garage.
[04:58:42] <Fnord666> Even better. No sales tax on it.
[04:58:19] <charon> when i was talking finance with the dealer, they took that off the sticker price before working numbers.
[04:57:40] <Fnord666> That makes it a lot more reasonable.
[04:56:42] <charon> for the car, yes. a huge one. something like 10k between federal and state
[04:56:14] <Fnord666> Worth a shot. I'm assuming there's a tax incentive also?
[04:55:11] <charon> i tried to talk my landlord's wife into getting a leaf too, then she'd want the charging station, then i could angle to use it myself. but alas, didn't work
[04:53:46] <Fnord666> yeah especially if it's 240V
[04:53:28] <charon> that is supposed to be done by a real electrician
[04:53:12] <charon> must be
[04:53:07] <Fnord666> I think that is for a charging station
[04:52:53] <Fnord666> damn those cords are expensive
[04:52:47] <charon> yeah, i have no idea what the hell that's abot
[04:52:14] <Fnord666> I like the amazon listing with an estimated $479 installation cost!
[04:51:52] <charon> ah
[04:51:45] <Fnord666> but yours is newer than the ones they were talking about.
[04:51:19] <Fnord666> nice. I ask because I glanced at an article in a search that allowed older leaf owners to pick up a newer charger at a reduced cost
[04:51:01] <charon> but i leased. in 3 years when technology has improved, i may get what is new then
[04:50:31] <charon> yes, 2016
[04:50:21] <Fnord666> is this a new leaf?
[04:50:13] <Fnord666> got it.
[04:49:30] <charon> https://www.amazon.com
[04:48:48] <charon> so where i have it plugged into the extension cord
[04:48:30] <charon> yeah, it's close to the plug end
[04:48:20] <charon> bungee cords to the rescue
[04:48:16] <Fnord666> Is that on the end of the cord?
[04:48:03] <charon> something like that. the cord itself would be just fine, it's only the box i need to keep in place
[04:47:11] <Fnord666> maybe some kind of cord keeper that you can attach to the cord, then hook to the underside of the car so it doesn't get pulled outward?
[04:46:19] <charon> true that
[04:46:13] <charon> but luckily, he never comes down to our end of the store, so yay
[04:46:11] <Fnord666> They probably use more electricity in a display case.
[04:45:31] <charon> wellll... HIS boss might not be the most happy if he knew
[04:45:13] <Fnord666> That's pretty cool of them.
[04:45:09] <charon> i need to figure out how to not have that happen again
[04:44:56] <Fnord666> bummer. At least you can charge at work as long as someone doesn't run over your charger.
[04:44:55] <charon> my boss doesn't mid if i charge at work, and until today there was no problem.
[04:44:21] <charon> hah, more like across the street
[04:44:04] <Fnord666> Throw an extension cord over the balcony? :-)
[04:43:54] <charon> roughly 27 hours from empty at 120V
[04:43:38] <Fnord666> And an apt might be a bit of a problem.
[04:43:32] <charon> i charge at work, maybe 3 times/2 weeks
[04:43:21] <Fnord666> Ah. How long on 120V?
[04:43:05] <charon> it can, but only if you have the high powered charger installed with 240V. i live in an apt, so i don't have that
[04:42:28] <Fnord666> I'm assuming it can fully charge overnight?
[04:42:15] <charon> yes
[04:41:52] <Fnord666> Can you get a full week out of it?
[04:41:42] <charon> for the first couple weeks i was nervous about how far i could get on a charge
[04:41:26] <charon> yeah. i am quite happy with it
[04:41:12] <Fnord666> You like it so far?
[04:40:56] <Fnord666> I remember stories about dealerships trying to sell maintenance contracts, going over all of the things it will cover, like spark plugs, timing belt, etc.
[04:40:15] <charon> only had it a couple months
[04:39:56] <charon> yep. they say the only maintenace needed is tire rotation and brake inspection every year or so
[04:39:15] <charon> holding
[04:39:08] <charon> nah, i'm not the stereotypical prius driver who insists on holing up everyone else
[04:39:04] <Fnord666> Brake pads probably last forever then also
[04:38:42] <charon> point
[04:38:38] <Fnord666> IS there such a time these days?
[04:38:27] <charon> at least when there are not impatient people behind me
[04:38:13] <charon> take my foot of the accelerator and coast to a stop
[04:37:50] <charon> makes driving like a game, where i try to get as much power regenerated as i can
[04:37:41] <Fnord666> That's nice and works out well.
[04:37:07] <charon> i drive maybe 75 miles a week tops, so it's perfect for me
[04:36:40] <charon> it's a good little car. it has decent acceleration when i need it, but it's happier at low speeds
[04:35:57] <Fnord666> How do you like your leaf?
[04:35:52] <charon> of course
[04:35:41] <Fnord666> At the very least. And tell you how the others would invalidate your warranty.
[04:35:03] <charon> amazon has them for something like 360. i bet the dealer would charge 400 easy
[04:34:37] <charon> ebay
[04:34:32] <Fnord666> Could be worse I guess. Was that from the dealer?
[04:34:08] <Fnord666> but why does that feel like bringing the gaze of the all seeing eye of Sauron onto your doorstep?
[04:33:36] <charon> ordered a new car charger. $230 *sigh*
[04:33:10] <Fnord666> yup
[04:32:46] <charon> probably no one will notice. but janrinok posted it, so we can make fun of him
[04:32:07] <Fnord666> only 4 so far, nothing about that
[04:30:53] <Fnord666> let me check for comments
[04:30:45] <Fnord666> wordo?
[04:30:41] <Fnord666> grammaro?
[04:30:24] <charon> hey look, the eds can't spell
[04:30:23] <Fnord666> and yeah, just a typo
[04:30:16] <charon> as long as no one has commented on it
[04:30:07] <Fnord666> ok. I know it'll take a little propagation time
[04:29:51] <charon> yeah, for typos like that, probably is ok
[04:29:26] <Fnord666> ok to edit it even though it's live?
[04:29:17] <Fnord666> First line of the top story starts "quietus brings the a report"
[04:29:02] <Fnord666> question for you.
[04:28:57] <charon> yep, what's up
[04:28:42] <Fnord666> charon you still here?
[04:26:47] <Fnord666> or any other eds around?
[04:26:00] <Fnord666> cmn32480 you around? Got a question
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[03:26:41] <exec> └─ 13That thing the Standing Rock protesters were afraid of just happened - ScienceAlert
[03:26:40] <charon> uh oh, expect a OO_ post any minute now http://www.sciencealert.com
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