#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-15

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[23:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Oi, Eds, make sure anyone who sticks around long enough to make it through training gets registered with nickserv here on irc this week so Deucalion can give them staff powahs when they're done.
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[23:13:17] <cmn32480> I was on the road all day whilst you were vidaying or fishing or some such... you won anyway
[23:12:58] <cmn32480> meh
[23:12:54] * TheMightyBuzzard grins evilly
[23:12:41] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[23:12:32] <cmn32480> no fair.. I been fighting adn am weak!
[23:12:18] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[23:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite cmn32480
[23:11:06] <cmn32480> or that look reasonable
[23:10:56] <cmn32480> choose any of the subs on dev that are from x, exec, arthur, mrplow
[23:10:37] <cmn32480> yes
[23:10:32] <charon> yeah, i've seen a bunch of entries with unicode entities and HTML just for testing
[23:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then Bytram|away comes along and hoses it utterly and completely
[23:09:57] <cmn32480> the developers use it for practice creating bugs, mostly
[23:09:39] <cmn32480> dev is designed for practice
[23:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> fear not. us devs break it more thoroughly than any ed can pretty regularly.
[23:09:17] <cmn32480> so I'll jsut wing it
[23:09:13] <cmn32480> though there is a lot too much backscroll to read what janrinok told you
[23:08:57] <cmn32480> If you have any questions, I'm here to answer what I can
[23:08:49] <charon> Cool, I don't want to tread on anyone's toes, y'know
[23:08:35] <cmn32480> we encourage breaking dev.
[23:08:26] <charon> Yes, on dev
[23:08:26] <cmn32480> absolutely
[23:08:19] <cmn32480> on dev?
[23:07:59] <charon> I've read through the page on the editing process, am I allowed to actually tinker with entries on the submissions and stories pages?
[23:07:29] <cmn32480> optional for mediocre or bad ones too
[23:07:15] <cmn32480> \correct
[23:07:10] <charon> heh, spelling is optional for good editors, right?
[23:07:01] <cmn32480> I've been editing about 18months
[23:06:31] <cmn32480> but I sure wish I could spell better
[23:06:12] <cmn32480> it's a good group here... really decent bunch of people
[23:05:05] <cmn32480> yes
[23:05:01] <cmn32480> https://soylentnew.org
[23:04:41] <charon> cmn32480: thank you for having me. I assume you are an editor too?
[23:02:36] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok - your beauty sleep isn't working. maybe if you slept more...
[23:01:39] <cmn32480> charon - welcome and thank you
[22:59:48] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok - that list is more than I have seen. but I have not reviewed comments today
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[21:39:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, completely separate. break away.
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[21:09:51] <sea> :)
[21:07:43] <charon> Is dev completely separate from live? More to my point, is there any chance of messing up the live site by playing around on dev?
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[20:51:04] * exec flatulantly flings a box of pinballs at #editorial
[20:51:02] <janrinok> ~gnight #editorial
[20:50:48] <janrinok> time for my much-needed beauty sleep.
[20:49:45] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: i have confirmed volunteers from sea cockroach julian fatphil goodie soylentsnow caffeine and charon. unconfirmed (to me) are mrpg and gaark. total 10. anybody else have anything different?): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[20:49:44] <janrinok> ~eds I have confirmed volunteers from sea cockroach julian fatphil goodie soylentsnow caffeine and charon. Unconfirmed (to me) are mrpg and Gaark. Total 10. Anybody else have anything different?
[20:46:49] <charon> damnit
[20:46:43] <janrinok> charon has already failed the course by admitting that he likes js - however, I'll start him on his second course effective immediately
[20:46:20] <charon> I'm not naive enough to trust it though.
[20:45:47] <janrinok> Buzz, be gentle with them, at least for the first day or two
[20:45:43] <charon> I probably should not admit it, but I sorta like javascript.
[20:45:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't tell them though
[20:45:30] <janrinok> np - prolly see you tomorrow
[20:45:16] <charon> Cool, thank you for getting me started
[20:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we haven't gotten a proper non-js editorial interface written yet. mostly because we don't really care about the editors.
[20:44:54] <janrinok> If you think that you are stuck, then come back here. I'll be off to my bed soon - it's late evening here, but another ed should be around to answer your questons
[20:44:37] * TheMightyBuzzard hangs head in shame
[20:44:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you break it we recruit you for the QA team too and let you break more stuff.
[20:44:12] <charon> Horrors: JS?!?!
[20:43:29] <janrinok> you need js, so if you use NoScript add an exception for dev
[20:43:20] * exec points at Bytram
[20:43:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[20:43:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do not. this is our quick recover mode:
[20:42:45] <janrinok> click away - if you break it TMB has to fix it, but we have a quick recover mode because you won't be the first ...
[20:42:17] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[20:42:15] <janrinok> https://wiki.soylentnews.org start reading through this while referring to the displays that you have. Take your time - it won't all make sense, even after a dozen readings, but get a feel for the 2 pages that you will be working with.
[20:41:06] <janrinok> I managed to find a dark blue on white which doesn't hurt too much
[20:40:43] <charon> lol
[20:40:37] <janrinok> the reason is that Buzz has a sick sense of humour
[20:40:17] <charon> OK, that's marginally better. But I assume the colors have strong contrast for a good reason.
[20:37:31] <charon> Good plan.
[20:37:14] <janrinok> I recommend that you have a different colour scheme to your usual SN scheme - it is best to be certain which one you are on
[20:36:22] <janrinok> yep, set up the colour scheme to the least painful settings. I'll give you a minute or two to do that
[20:35:47] <charon> My head hurts already
[20:35:16] <janrinok> assuming you can open multiple tabs in your browser, open Stories in one tab and 47 Submissions in another
[20:34:27] <charon> Yep
[20:34:20] <janrinok> right, off we go then. If you go to the front page, you will see a small toolbar has appeared at the very top, see it?
[20:33:28] <charon> Yes
[20:33:23] <janrinok> so you are successfully logged on to dev?
[20:32:41] <charon> So is this a different email, or are we talking about the one to give me a password to the dev sever? I have the dev account one already.
[20:32:09] <janrinok> You will have loads of questions, just try to go through the wiki bits to get a feel for terminology. We will explain in a more practical way once you have had a look around
[20:31:23] <janrinok> first of all, once you can log on, I can point you to some wiki info which, in conjunction with the new displays you will see, will begin to explain things.
[20:30:39] <charon> So is there a curriculum to follow or is it more like being thrown into the deep end?
[20:30:27] <janrinok> thx for volunteering - I was just chatting to another volunteer on a pm. looks like I'm going to be busy training for a next week or so
[20:29:31] <charon> heh
[20:29:28] <janrinok> thin*
[20:29:21] <janrinok> keep checking, Buzz has sent it but you might be using very thing tubes ...
[20:28:47] <charon> janrinok: account set up, awaiting email
[20:26:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> if the email doesn't come through in a few minutes let me know and i'll see what i can do about that.
[20:26:01] * janrinok or just type my name, my speaker is turned off anyway :)
[20:25:32] <janrinok> charon, give me a ping when you get back here
[20:24:08] <janrinok> thanks TMB
[20:24:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon now has mystical monkey powers on dev
[20:22:46] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: charon has volunteered, edt, currently setting up an account on dev): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[20:22:45] <janrinok> ~eds charon has volunteered, EDT, currently setting up an account on dev
[20:22:10] <janrinok> OK, once you have that I'll get someone to give you the necessary privs on that system
[20:21:51] <charon> EDT
[20:21:43] <charon> I made one a few minutes ago; need to pick up the confirmation email to activate.
[20:21:39] <janrinok> charon, which TZ are you in?
[20:20:59] <janrinok> no problem - first of all, see if you already have an account on dev.soylentnews.org - which is the system that we use for training and testing. If you have, great, if not, create one please.
[20:20:10] <charon> Also, sorry about potential chat delays, I am at work.
[20:19:44] <charon> I would like to volunteer as an editor, if you'll have me
[20:19:26] <charon> how rude
[20:19:12] <SoylentSnow> @charon Your mother is a hamster and your father reeks of elderberries.
[20:19:06] <janrinok> charon, ping
[20:17:57] <janrinok> ah, you want to be abused, well you have come to the right place :)
[20:17:33] <janrinok> charon, how can I help
[20:17:25] <janrinok> #charo
[20:14:40] <charon> Thank you
[20:11:00] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders outside for a smoke
[20:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone'll be along shortly i expect, charon
[20:09:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, CoolHand cmn32480 takyon ping^^
[20:08:18] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[20:08:18] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[20:02:59] <charon> The Mighty Buzzard told me this is the place to ask for abuse.
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[18:26:14] <janrinok> SoylentSnow, I received and replied to your pm
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[16:50:46] <goodie> too bad you were not on last night ;-). j/k it's all good but I'm glad to know there is personalized help if needed!\
[16:47:31] <janrinok> I'm happy to do one-on-one with anybody who wants it - it is the method that I prefer because we can work at a pace that suits the student
[16:47:28] <goodie> no joke
[16:46:25] <janrinok> the best way is for a one-on-one pm so that you can copy/pasta everything that is said and refer back to your notes at a later date. Training on this channel gets filled with all sorts of distractions
[16:45:15] <goodie> I am still going through them but overall that's a good starting point
[16:44:47] <exec> └─ 13#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-14
[16:44:44] <janrinok> Mornings are usually not good - but I will try to be on tomorrow am and see if we can get together then. I'm a full time carer for my wife, so mornings tend to be dedicated to nursing and physio tasks
[16:44:43] <goodie> https://logs.sylnt.us
[16:44:34] <goodie> FP there are logs on IRC with some basic info (with lots of noise from joking around but quite useful)
[16:43:31] <FatPhil> you're a similar time zone to me - how are your mornings? I hate getting up, so laze in bed browsing soylent. May as well be doing something useful in that time tomorrow
[16:42:42] <janrinok> don't blame you. Give me a shout when you have an hour free
[16:42:23] <FatPhil> I'm going to the pube to drink some bares
[16:41:49] <janrinok> I've got to go cook a meal - will you be on here again this evening? I can talk you through it if you wish
[16:41:47] <FatPhil> you don't know where I installed my keyboard!
[16:41:17] <janrinok> it sounds like you are doing it incorrectly. Most editors type with their fingers FP...
[16:40:05] * FatPhil doesn't know what the frak he's doing, all he knows is that his butt hurts
[16:31:53] <janrinok> but we have checked many many times that it isn't being naughty
[16:31:17] <FatPhil> bletch
[16:31:09] <janrinok> yes, unfortunately
[16:30:58] <FatPhil> does the submission editor page require javascript?
[16:30:10] <goodie> k i'll take a look
[16:20:30] <janrinok> SoylentSnow, goodie cockroach ^
[16:17:27] <janrinok> there are 3 stories near the bottom of the sub list on dev from Arthur - they are from yesterday. One of them has a gotcha - if you find it please don't tell the others what you found but pm me
[16:15:38] <janrinok> if the pilot pushes the stick he wants the ac to respond now, not in a few seconds time
[16:14:52] <janrinok> well, you can apply the same problem to dropping aid to survivors in the sea, making sure that 2 aircraft can refuel each other when only a few metres apart etc
[16:13:48] <janrinok> By the way - all those editing on dev remember that some of the stories are years old - links might no longer work etc
[16:13:41] <goodie> interesting problems to solve, sucky context
[16:12:56] <janrinok> but knowing where a fast moving target would be in a few more milliseconds time wasn't always as easy as you might think
[16:12:26] <goodie> no kidding...
[16:12:07] <janrinok> it had its own problems - firing a weapon a few milliseconds too late tends to be a 'MISS'
[16:12:02] <Bender> karma - notepad: 2
[16:12:02] <goodie> notepad++ is the one thing I always have opened I think. plus now it has that feature where unsaved files are still reopened after you close it, kinda useful when you want to go back to a draft you hadn't saved
[16:11:11] <goodie> real-time software must be sweet but kinda stressful too ;)
[16:09:06] <SoylentSnow> haha, yes, I'm a windoze luser
[16:08:15] <janrinok> CH is a very naughty boy
[16:07:26] * CoolHand watches the editor flamewars erupt in #editorial...
[16:06:49] <janrinok> I suppose SoylentSnow should have said 'editor of your choice' :)
[16:06:06] <Bender> karma - notepad: 1
[16:06:06] <CoolHand> notepad++ ??? who uses windows around here?????? put it in nvim like a real man!! :P
[16:06:05] <janrinok> I never did web programming. I was writing real-time software for mil aircraft. Never needed HTML for that!
[16:05:38] <goodie> Thanks SoylentSnow that was my idea too
[16:05:29] <goodie> I'm ok with it, I did some web programming in my teens.
[16:05:03] <SoylentSnow> goodie: You might find it helpful to copy the contents and paste it into Notepad++ If you select Language --> HTML, it colors things all nicely to help you see if tags are not closed properly and stuff like that. Then when you are done, you can just paste it back.
[16:03:16] <janrinok> I didn't know HTML when I first started, and I found it useful. YMMV
[16:02:21] <janrinok> This isn't just a case of being difficult to newbies - SN only accepts a limited set of HTML for security reasons, and it is the best way of learning what is acceptable and what isn't
[16:01:56] <goodie> ok, cool, I read about that ext but did not that covered it too, thanks. I'm ok doing it the hard way for now
[16:01:26] <janrinok> there is an extension (written by Takyon) which does all of that sort of thing for us, it is used by most of the editors. However, it is useful to do things the long way round for the first few stories.
[16:00:54] <goodie> I was using the Lufthansa story as an example to try things out
[16:00:20] <goodie> In the Intro copy, I wanted to add a quote from an article
[16:00:01] <janrinok> goodie, where are you typing HTML?
[15:59:44] <SoylentSnow> I see the filter section at the top now
[15:59:39] <SoylentSnow> Ahh, okay, thanks for the info.
[15:59:37] <goodie> Quick question for an editor in training: is there a way not to have to manually type HTML when creating a new story? I'm just playing on dev to see how things work
[15:59:30] <janrinok> Back, I've never seen used and cannot think of a time when we would.
[15:59:09] <janrinok> Quik is used very rarely for putting a story out on the front page in very quick fashion. We would use it if a major disaster occurred or something of great significance - military clash between US/Russia in the Med for instance.
[15:58:00] <goodie> ~top of morning
[15:57:50] <janrinok> Hold transfers the sub to another queue, which you can find if you use the filters near the top of the page. It is useful for saving non-time-sensitive stories for a quieter period.
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[15:56:50] * exec fanatically a diaper full of flapjacks floccinaucinihilipilificates SoylentSnow
[15:56:49] <SoylentSnow> does anyone know what Back/Hold/Quik does? In the wiki, is says (todo: find this out)
[15:56:48] <janrinok> ~gday SoylentSnow ( or good afternoon from here in France )
[15:56:25] <SoylentSnow> 'mornin
[15:53:58] <janrinok> I suppose we could add that
[15:53:34] <FatPhil> tempted to say that "Do:" should include "trim, or expand, the quoted material to a sensible length"
[15:52:42] <janrinok> FatPhil, I'm available for the next hour if I can help in any way
[15:52:41] <FatPhil> reading the wiki now.
[15:48:41] <janrinok> I'm free!
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[15:41:15] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[15:41:13] <CoolHand> ..and look at this: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:40:47] <exec> └─ 13#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-14
[15:40:40] <CoolHand> FatPhil: if janrinok doesn't show up to coach you, you can look at cmn's logs from yesterday starting about 14:30 when he coached sea and cockroach.. https://logs.sylnt.us
[15:40:01] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders back off
[15:39:07] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[15:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> from janrinok earlier: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:38:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be a mess of stories there that can get cleaned up and pushed out
[15:37:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> far as i know, reading guidelines and practicing with the editorial interface on dev.
[15:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> get with him or CoolHand or cmn32480 and ask them. i try not to learn stuff what's Not My Problem.
[15:36:16] <FatPhil> I wanna show off my fit bod in the swimsuit round!
[15:35:49] * TheMightyBuzzard points at janrinok
[15:35:17] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: cheers for the super cow powers. so what's the next step?
[15:19:17] <janrinok> well, if that happens, we can always blame Buzz
[15:18:54] <CoolHand> don't curse it too heavily.. we don't want the site to come crashing down... :)
[15:16:56] * janrinok curses perl
[15:16:41] <janrinok> np - I was just pondering how we can be looking at the same thing but the computer can't measure the similarity any more accurately
[15:16:03] <CoolHand> yah I dunno... the alaska airlines one? I'd gotten distracted and forgot I was in that...
[15:15:14] <janrinok> hi CH, I was editing a story and noticed that you were editing the same one - but the computer said that there was only 14% similarity! I haven't a clue how it calculated that!
[15:14:24] * exec unjustifiably vomits my butt of feministing droppings on janrinok
[15:14:22] <CoolHand> ~gday janrinok
[15:12:48] <cockroach> aye, thanks, I'll let you know when I think I'm ready for the next phase.
[15:11:13] <janrinok> but, for the time being, work at your own pace. We don't know how much time you have available or when
[15:10:35] <janrinok> once you are used to the interface, give me (or cmn32480) a shout and we can talk you through the whole process, including gotchas and pitfalls
[15:08:42] <cockroach> that bastard
[15:08:27] <janrinok> see, it's Bytram|away's fault
[15:08:19] * exec points at Bytram
[15:08:18] <janrinok> ~blame
[15:08:15] <janrinok> that is usually easy
[15:08:05] <cockroach> i'm trying very hard to find a way to blame you, personally.
[15:07:33] <janrinok> lol - I don't think you can blame the site for that
[15:07:30] <cockroach> i.e. "no" :)
[15:07:15] <cockroach> i've had a bit of a situation where I created a mess with my password safe so I failed entirely to log in last night.
[15:04:39] <janrinok> is it beginning to make sense? And, if so, can you explain it to me...?
[15:04:11] <cockroach> hey janrinok
[14:56:41] * exec prematurely tosses a buttload of seven of nine to cockroach
[14:56:39] <janrinok> ~gday cockroach
[14:56:36] * exec proverbially integrates a tremendouns number of skittles with CoolHand
[14:56:34] <janrinok> ~gday CoolHand
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[14:45:23] <CoolHand> alright..
[14:20:36] <cockroach> nothing to complain about :). you?
[13:15:44] <CoolHand> how's it?
[13:10:27] <cockroach> hi!
[13:05:10] * exec clumsily tosses a fat16 volume of mail tiers to cockroach
[13:05:09] <CoolHand> ~gday cockroach
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[12:20:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> doh!
[12:20:09] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard falls broken at cmn32480's feet.
[12:19:05] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:19:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite cmn32480
[12:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, hey, i missed my 6am smoke. must correct that.
[12:08:46] <sea> I feel so loved
[12:08:43] <sea> Aww
[12:07:33] * exec slowly integrates an exabyte of stahhhp! with sea
[12:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday sea
[12:05:20] <sea> I'm up
[11:28:19] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: hehehe well mornin
[11:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> let ya know after the coffee kicks in. currently i'm having to make sure the right end of me hits the chair cushion.
[11:26:37] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: how's it going?
[11:26:21] <Subsentient> hehe
[11:24:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i knew how to add ssh keys to our not-ldap setup, sure
[11:24:05] <Subsentient> So can I get an ssh login? :^3
[11:23:57] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: If you give me access to the SN servers, I'll use them for pointless offtopic bullshit.
[11:23:08] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks
[11:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, you have privs on prod again
[11:22:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, you have super powers on dev now
[09:30:59] <FatPhil> Which reminds me, it's time for a rewatch of /Brass Eye/.
[09:27:09] <FatPhil> What the captain means is that the reason your contribution hadn't been noted is because you're wrong and a grotesquely ugly freak!
[09:19:14] <janrinok_afk> The reason your contribution hadn't been noted - although we are grateful for it - was that it wasn't relieving the overstretch on the editorial team. The cry for more volunteers was because we have a few people who are now beginning to have serious issues resulting from the effort that they are putting into the site. Spreading that load will make a huge difference to us all.
[09:16:13] <Subsentient> janrinok_afk: Yes please.
[09:16:05] <FatPhil> Hmmm, what's wrong with "/away"?
[09:15:07] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[09:14:58] <janrinok> Subsentient, if you want your privs back let me know
[09:04:45] <janrinok> we were pretty vulnerable to certain attacks if someone had privs on the system and wasn't using them. It was applied over all teams, not just editorial
[09:03:50] <janrinok> it was done by looking down the list of Authors for stories over a period of several months. If your name didn't appear then the privs were removed. Others had the same problem and had them reinstated.
[09:02:13] <Subsentient> janrinok: I'd like to help when I can. Was the determination of a significant time automated or judged by humans? I had occasionally been fixing typos, titles, formatting etc.
[09:01:13] <janrinok> Subsentient, the privs were purged for security reasons. Anyone who hadn't edited for a significant period of time had their privs removed. If you want to rejoin us it is simple to have them reinstituted.
[08:43:26] <Subsentient> The irony in the request for editors is I would've probably helped if someone hadn't removed my privileges... :^|
[08:42:18] <janrinok> ~tell Fnord666 - we have received some volunteers but there is always room for more if you are interested?
[08:05:19] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: fatphil has volunteered to join us): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[08:05:18] <janrinok> ~eds FatPhil has volunteered to join us
[08:03:37] <janrinok> but thanks for volunteering. We certainly need more Europeans, or at least people who live in our tz
[08:02:58] <janrinok> ~tell TheMightyBuzzard Can you give FatPhil editorial privs on dev please
[08:02:54] <FatPhil> I'm just about to wake up and go to work, so there's no huge rush
[08:02:20] <janrinok> great - I'll message one of the team to give you editorial privs on that system. Might take an hour or two as most of them are still asleep
[08:01:34] <FatPhil> yup, FatPhil
[08:01:22] <janrinok> Have you created an account on dev . soylentnews . org ?
[08:01:16] <FatPhil> problems shared are problems halved!
[08:00:21] <janrinok> FatPhil, we'd be glad to have you join us.
[07:59:51] <FatPhil> "Hi, please abuse me"
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[05:34:49] <Fnord666> So how are you all doing in the search for additional editors?
[05:33:20] -!- Fnord666 [Fnord666!~Fnord666@94-25-920-68.ubr4.dyn.lebanon-oh.fuse.net] has joined #editorial
[04:43:51] -!- SoyCow7775 [SoyCow7775!~46398302@65-11-890-9.albq.qwest.net] has parted #editorial
[04:43:38] <SoyCow7775> This IRC stuff is weird. How does anyone live without emoticons and embedded videos?
[04:07:29] <SoyCow7775> Did the editorial ranks fill to the required number of volunteers? If not, I'm sure I could be of use at least in fixing submissions and queuing stories.
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[04:06:09] * exec faithfully rubs a safespace of includes on y'all
[04:06:07] <goodie> ~gnight y'all I'll be dreaming of pink ponies tonight apparently ;)
[04:00:30] * exec provocatively imagines Santa's bag of terr'ists with goodie
[04:00:28] <cmn32480> ~gnight goodie
[04:00:21] * exec sardonically coalesces a pipe of nuts with cmn32480
[04:00:20] <goodie> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:57:53] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok, Bytram|away - the others in the comments were caffeine, mrpg and Gaaark
[03:57:22] <cmn32480> welcome all ye newcomers
[03:57:13] * exec metrosexually farts a pint of speed at #editorial
[03:57:11] <cmn32480> ~gnight #editorial
[03:56:57] <cmn32480> time for bed... gotta be up early tomorrow
[03:56:48] * cmn32480 squeals "No Mas"
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[03:47:00] <cmn32480> lol
[03:46:42] <goodie> well that floppy donkey dick of his has got to take some space...
[03:45:46] <cmn32480> my fear woudl be that he needs the lube before he goes to sleep
[03:45:22] <goodie> that'll put right to sleep!
[03:45:17] <goodie> sure does
[03:45:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> bacon grease still wins
[03:44:58] * exec dexterously reverse-engineers a quart of vindication from goodie
[03:44:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight goodie
[03:44:55] <goodie> I knew it
[03:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm, bacon grease
[03:44:43] * exec explicitly deallocates an old shoe full of bacon grease from TheMightBuzzard
[03:44:41] <cmn32480> no question
[03:44:41] <goodie> ~gnight TheMightBuzzard
[03:44:37] <goodie> `~gnight TheMightBuzzard
[03:44:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i definitely won that one
[03:44:27] * exec prematurely irritates a big floppy donkey dick of spitwads with cmn32480
[03:44:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:44:20] * exec disturbingly gives a tablespoonful of supernintendo chalmers to TheMightyBuzzard
[03:44:17] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[03:44:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sleep now
[03:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, crap. yall been entertaining me and kept me up nearly an hour past bedtime.
[03:43:47] <goodie> I'll poke around dev tonight and tomorrow when I have some free time and will let you know if I got questions
[03:43:12] <cmn32480> and we get a pm next time we open outr big fat yaps
[03:42:59] <goodie> lol
[03:42:52] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[03:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #tell cmn32480 duh
[03:42:42] <cmn32480> ~tell TheMightyBuzzard You, sir, are an asshole!
[03:42:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> or #tell from MrPlow
[03:42:19] <cmn32480> you can also use the ~tell commadn from exec
[03:41:50] <cmn32480> we all show as being here on IRC, but we are on the staff bouncer which keeps us logged in for messages all the time
[03:41:16] <cmn32480> goodie - take a poke at it and let us know what you think
[03:41:11] * TheMightyBuzzard breaks into the homemade wine instead tonight
[03:40:49] <cmn32480> lol
[03:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, you can stay.
[03:40:32] <goodie> ok. beer time.
[03:40:12] <cmn32480> you can poke them
[03:40:06] <cmn32480> there are a couple MRPLow subs in there
[03:39:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i switch him to debug mode he pushes them to dev but normally we want them going to prod.
[03:39:27] <goodie> ok sorry I thought it was to show me something
[03:39:26] <cmn32480> anythign subbed from IRD is currenlty to prod
[03:39:13] <cmn32480> yes
[03:39:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep.
[03:38:45] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[03:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt drifting along in the tumbleweeds
[03:38:42] <goodie> just to understand, that sub is for prod no?
[03:38:08] <cmn32480> butbetter that than tumbleweeds
[03:37:59] <cmn32480> basically
[03:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, MrPlow, exec, and x you gotta fill out. arthur you gotta cut out.
[03:37:42] <cmn32480> some days, this job is a "work wiht what you got" scenario
[03:37:23] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[03:37:20] <goodie> noice
[03:37:05] <cmn32480> give you an entire story complete w/ links, etc.
[03:36:57] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[03:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.nbcnews.com
[03:36:53] <cmn32480> stuff From Arthur T Knackerbracket is alos script driven
[03:36:34] <cmn32480> a LOT of editing
[03:36:25] <goodie> I might be poking around those as they require editing
[03:36:20] <cmn32480> x, exec, and mrplow are all IRC bot submissions
[03:36:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i always pity you lot when i sub something through MrPlow
[03:36:11] <cmn32480> I'm looking at the list
[03:36:03] <goodie> quite a few x from what I see
[03:35:17] <cmn32480> and MrPlow
[03:35:10] <cmn32480> x and exec all have some too
[03:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought it was all bewbs and talk about my butt
[03:34:41] <cmn32480> there was
[03:34:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, good.
[03:34:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there?
[03:34:31] <cmn32480> buncha stiuff frm Arthur]
[03:33:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> goodie, i'll be semi-amazed if you can find something worth turning into an actual story in that mess of a subs queue on dev. i'd cheat and go sub your own.
[03:33:41] <goodie> I kinda like that, miss the old usenet days back when people would complain because noise would get them to download unnecessary contents on their 56k modem :)
[03:32:08] <cmn32480> huh? wut?
[03:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, feel free to ignore us. we do.
[03:30:46] <cmn32480> and it gets easier with practice
[03:30:37] <cmn32480> goodie - it is somethign that you get used to.
[03:30:14] <cmn32480> I've been editing on prod to put stuff in the story queu for tomorrow while we have been yammering
[03:29:58] <cmn32480> welcome to real life!
[03:29:44] <goodie> It's hard to concentrate on what to do as you guys were throwing jokes at one another lol
[03:28:59] * cmn32480 has been here almost 2 years and still has no idea what they say
[03:28:27] <cmn32480> at least pretend to read them
[03:28:11] <cmn32480> there are links in there to the wiki and the editorial guidelines
[03:28:01] <cmn32480> familiariazation wiht the interface
[03:27:54] <cmn32480> the log you are working throuhg is step one
[03:27:45] <cmn32480> total hazing ritual
[03:27:41] <cmn32480> no
[03:27:40] <cmn32480> oh
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[03:26:57] <goodie> Sounds good. I'll let you guys know when I think I'm ready for prod or is there some sort of hazing ritual going on ;) ?
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[03:26:19] <cmn32480> that works too
[03:26:06] <cmn32480> and only TMB will pull out what remains of his hair
[03:26:01] * exec points at Bytram
[03:26:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[03:25:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> right. break dev all you like and we have an easy fix.
[03:25:55] <cmn32480> break the everlovin' crap out of it
[03:25:46] <cmn32480> correct
[03:25:35] <goodie> so, just to make sure I get it right (been reading up the log while going around dev), for now I can only play on dev and not effectively do any harm on prod correct?
[03:23:55] <cmn32480> he was one of the volunteers this morning
[03:23:41] <cmn32480> everybody has asked good questions
[03:23:30] <cmn32480> so far, I'm pretty impressed with the folk who have volunteered.
[03:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> even better
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[03:22:07] <cmn32480> interesting.. a bunch of the guys that volunteered in the comments are subbing stories
[03:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, looks like i commented it out
[03:18:57] <cmn32480> I dont' know whare to look
[03:18:50] <cmn32480> unknown
[03:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> is that still active on dev?
[03:18:16] <cmn32480> ahhhh yeah.. the rick roll!
[03:16:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> <audio autoplay><source src="never gonna give you up.mp3" type="audio/mpeg"></audio>
[03:14:08] <cmn32480> long as it ain't an unclosed html tag
[03:14:01] <cmn32480> whatever
[03:13:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm leaving it until someone notices
[03:13:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> unclosed bracket
[03:13:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, in the story
[03:12:52] <cmn32480> in the comments?
[03:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! nobody noticed my typo yet
[03:11:51] <cmn32480> and we thank the gods
[03:11:35] <cmn32480> and he subs good stuff
[03:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> some days he just comes along and is like "here, have twenty ready to push submissions"
[03:11:18] <cmn32480> our by far most prolific submitter
[03:11:02] <Bender> karma - phoenix666: 8
[03:11:02] <cmn32480> phoenix666++
[03:10:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> phoenix666 will become your most favorite user very quickly
[03:10:26] <cmn32480> but thanks just the same
[03:10:12] <cmn32480> trust me.. we know
[03:10:01] <cmn32480> flip side.. when we are flush with subs, we get more picky
[03:10:01] <goodie> Honestly, between work, family, life (haha yeah right!) and so on it's no easy feat!
[03:09:33] <cmn32480> just push the next one out 90 minutes or so
[03:09:19] <cmn32480> nope
[03:09:05] <goodie> ok. I was just wondering because if there is a lot of stuff then it may "dilute" some of the info I guess
[03:09:02] <cmn32480> Y
[03:09:01] <cmn32480> Z
[03:09:00] <cmn32480> A
[03:08:59] <cmn32480> L
[03:08:48] <cmn32480> around Halloween I think
[03:08:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, for some reason they don't wanna edit when they actually have the time to
[03:08:39] <cmn32480> last year, we busted out 3 days worrth of stories and all took the weekend off
[03:08:18] <cmn32480> more on a holiday weekend
[03:08:12] <cmn32480> story is 12-24 hours
[03:08:01] <cmn32480> submission is 20+
[03:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> story or submission?
[03:07:51] <cmn32480> see what all i'm busting my ass for.. troll some people
[03:07:42] <goodie> what's the queue size target you guys like to have?
[03:07:41] <goodie> don't waste your time that site is rubbish!
[03:07:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> why would you wanna go and do a thing like that?
[03:07:04] <cmn32480> hell free time! I might actually read the site!
[03:06:49] <cmn32480> unless we get on and jsut start pumping out p666 stories
[03:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, probably
[03:06:03] <cmn32480> no more full days of one editor
[03:05:53] <cmn32480> makes 8
[03:05:51] <cmn32480> we were talking to 4 this morning, goodie, and 3 additinal
[03:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> eight at least
[03:05:23] <cmn32480> that makes like 7? people who said they at least wanted a look see at that job
[03:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> that more than doubles the editorial staff. yall might even get a day off once in a while.
[03:04:52] <cmn32480> 3 additionals in the commetns that haven't already contacted us buzzard
[03:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're always late with the news so folks got time to ponder on it and get a good comment or two queued up in their brain
[03:03:23] <cmn32480> nah.. dead voters had more of an impact
[03:03:06] <cmn32480> your first edits will be carefully controlled nad checked
[03:03:01] <goodie> so you mean to say that the outcome of the election was influenced by your mistake?
[03:02:46] <goodie> see this is why my first edit will take a loooong time probablu
[03:02:39] <cmn32480> after there were 150 comments on it
[03:02:21] <cmn32480> I hit refresh and overwrote it with the original one line of copy...
[03:02:19] <goodie> ...and then blame some screw up from the service provider or something ;) j/k
[03:02:09] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
[03:01:54] <cmn32480> like the Election story
[03:01:45] <cmn32480> and gracefully un-f**k whatever the person did
[03:00:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then we all laugh and mock whoever did it
[03:00:03] <cmn32480> but it does happen
[02:59:59] <cmn32480> we are pretty careful
[02:59:04] <goodie> but it's good to have it for training I am sure. I can imagine there are funny stories about things being pushed in prod and someone going uh-oh a few minutes/seconds later :)
[02:55:45] <cmn32480> mostly we don't hang out on dev... so that helps
[02:55:41] <goodie> I picked a different theme no worries
[02:54:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig black icicle myself but i use default on dev so the favicon is different on my bookmarks bar
[02:54:31] <cmn32480> just make sure it is different from your prod theme
[02:53:39] <goodie> okay that's taken care of... (tried the April 1 and my eyes just hurt too much already from staring at a screen all day, I found something more... ahem toned down)
[02:53:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm evil like that
[02:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes i did intentionally set everyone's theme to omg pwnies on dev
[02:52:01] <cmn32480> brb
[02:52:00] * cmn32480 is gonna go put somethign in the toaster oven for dinner
[02:51:03] * MrPlow smakes OMG PWNIES! upside the head with lesbian gas
[02:51:03] <cmn32480> #smake OMG PWNIES!
[02:50:56] <cmn32480> but it is still like a smake in the face
[02:50:35] <cmn32480> I was on here earlier.. hence the logs you are reading
[02:50:21] <cmn32480> click the "Homepage" tab at the top
[02:49:47] <goodie> told ya
[02:49:40] <cmn32480> ye gads the pink is overwhelmiong
[02:49:27] <cmn32480> logging into dev
[02:49:23] <cmn32480> one sec
[02:48:59] <exec> └─ 13Log In
[02:48:57] <goodie> ok time to look stupid already... under Preferences in the left main tab I don't see anywhere where I can set a theme. It should be here? https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:45:22] <cmn32480> it is there... select your theme... under user prefs
[02:45:02] <goodie> I kinda miss that... probably just the nostalgy talking
[02:43:08] <cmn32480> don't go there.. think early 90's Geocities
[02:42:55] <cmn32480> better that then April 1
[02:42:46] <cmn32480> yeah
[02:42:44] <cmn32480> lol
[02:42:33] <goodie> I had not even noticed the admin bar after having my eyes ripped by the theme, haha
[02:39:36] <cmn32480> keeps tMB earnigh his salary
[02:39:23] <cmn32480> bbreak the everlovin' hell out of dev. that is what it is for
[02:39:08] <cmn32480> but don't tell my boss
[02:39:05] <cmn32480> yes it is
[02:39:02] <cmn32480> yes
[02:38:42] <goodie> Is that more frequent than the checking for customer calls ;) ?
[02:38:28] <goodie> will do thanks. I will probably freeze after I read everything and try to actually do something
[02:38:13] <cmn32480> my phone checks that account about every 15-30 min
[02:37:47] <cmn32480> feel free to email any questions. cmn32480 at soylentnews dot org
[02:37:30] <cmn32480> welcome
[02:37:08] <cmn32480> that is a Nexus
[02:36:58] <goodie> sounds good I'll check out the logs, dev and disregard the bewbs topics ;)
[02:36:34] <cmn32480> no problem!
[02:36:24] <cmn32480> I will be back on tomorrow night
[02:36:21] <goodie> lol. over the next few days I will be around on and off in the evenings, probably sometimes during the day too depending on my availability
[02:36:10] <cmn32480> but take a poke at that log, see what you think. I'm at a customer site tomorrow, but janrinok is usually on during the day. So is CoolHand
[02:35:31] * TheMightyBuzzard whistles innocently
[02:35:30] * cmn32480 looks at TMB
[02:35:17] <cmn32480> but there are a few of tus that are rather... opinionated
[02:35:08] <cmn32480> it is a pretty easy group to get along with.
[02:35:01] <goodie> it's more or less expected in dev from my experience
[02:34:50] <goodie> but that's ok though, as long as people can understand each other's points
[02:34:33] <cmn32480> that was a heated technical discussion between people who know a lot
[02:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. hasn't been a cross word aside from some heated debates about the best firewall rules to put in place and the like.
[02:34:10] <cmn32480> what's your availability over the next few days on IRC?
[02:33:39] <cmn32480> truth: it's a good group here.
[02:33:25] <cmn32480> I do a little of it when I break stuff
[02:33:13] <goodie> figured...
[02:33:05] <cmn32480> try not to break it... that QA gig is a pain in the ass
[02:32:57] <cmn32480> yeah
[02:32:47] <cmn32480> I am thoroughly tickled that we have this many people interested.
[02:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free to poke around on the edity interface of dev too. if you break it we just recruit you for QA as well.
[02:32:06] <cmn32480> ther are 4 or 5, and I haven't contacted the volunteers form the commetns yet
[02:31:55] <goodie> it's all good i'll read up the logs at my pace no worries
[02:31:44] <cmn32480> makes having a conversation easy
[02:31:39] <cmn32480> that puts a whole bunch of us on the east coast
[02:31:28] <goodie> i think like others around here
[02:31:21] <cmn32480> sweel;
[02:31:17] <goodie> eastern
[02:31:11] <cmn32480> timezone
[02:31:06] <cmn32480> what's your TZ?
[02:31:00] <cmn32480> I'm literally jsut sitting down after a hella long day
[02:30:48] <cmn32480> if you follow along to what I typed, it will give a basic overview
[02:30:13] <goodie> yes i saw the link to the log
[02:30:01] <cmn32480> is the thems
[02:29:58] <cmn32480> OMG PWNIES!
[02:29:40] <goodie> yep pink on dev
[02:29:31] <cmn32480> your pink?
[02:29:22] <cmn32480> that'd be the point!
[02:29:13] <cmn32480> you saw that link above, to the logs?
[02:29:08] <goodie> boy, there's no way i'll get confused between dev and prod with those colors :D
[02:29:00] <cmn32480> goodie: sorry it's been a long day
[02:28:52] Bytramm is now known as Bytram|away
[02:28:48] <cmn32480> I won
[02:28:47] <cmn32480> night
[02:28:42] <Bytramm> laters
[02:28:25] <Bytramm> I'm not sure, but I think you might have won that one
[02:27:56] * exec half-heartedly kipes a 5¼" floppy disk of litter box tootsie rolls from Bytramm
[02:27:54] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytramm
[02:27:54] * exec analiciously hallucinates a set of maturity juice with cmn32480
[02:27:52] <Bytramm> ~gnight cmn32480
[02:27:39] <Bytramm> Donald's Republican Bushwacker
[02:27:29] <cmn32480> ~gngiht bytram
[02:27:26] <cmn32480> lol
[02:27:09] <Bytramm> Damn Right, Bucko!
[02:26:53] <cmn32480> Dirty Rotten Booger?
[02:26:35] <Bytramm> oh, sorry.
[02:26:28] <cmn32480> Dirty Rat Bastard
[02:26:22] <cmn32480> we might even be able to take a day off sometime soon
[02:26:14] <Bytramm> umm dare I ask? DRB?
[02:26:11] <cmn32480> sure looks like it
[02:26:05] <Bytramm> so glad the call for editors was fruitful!
[02:25:56] <cmn32480> you are a DRB Bytramm
[02:25:43] <cmn32480> excellent
[02:25:41] <Bytramm> on second thought, I'm gonna call it an early night... have been running on empty for too many nights in a row.
[02:25:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone over uid 4055 needs to create a new account on dev. everyone else should be golden.
[02:24:45] <goodie> ok thanks
[02:24:34] <Bytramm> afk biab
[02:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> dev uses an old db from live. your account was already there so i promoted you already.
[02:24:14] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[02:24:11] <cmn32480> get yourself an account created on https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:23:57] <cmn32480> ok
[02:23:57] <goodie> lol
[02:23:54] <Bytramm> lol
[02:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what you think
[02:23:41] <goodie> nope, nothing yet, just a regular user
[02:23:17] <cmn32480> goodie: do you have an account on dev?
[02:23:16] <Bytramm> that's when sea' first chimed in that s/he was interested in being an editor.
[02:23:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> goodie's set up on dev
[02:22:57] <exec> └─ 13#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-14
[02:22:55] <Bytramm> here's a linky: https://logs.sylnt.us
[02:21:52] <cmn32480> started around 10am eastern
[02:21:47] <cmn32480> yep
[02:21:41] * cmn32480 jsut sat down and is apparently on a bytram like schedule for dinner
[02:21:34] <Bytramm> your "training session" was in this channel, right?
[02:21:14] <cmn32480> I had Cub Scouts adn work and other more personal things to do
[02:21:01] <cmn32480> working on it
[02:20:58] <Bytramm> zounds about rite
[02:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, more than that if you lot send out emails to the ones who volunteered in comments
[02:20:52] <cmn32480> goodie: welcome
[02:20:42] <cmn32480> i think that gets janrinok promoted to Director level or VP or some such
[02:20:24] <cmn32480> the dept. just doubled
[02:20:16] <cmn32480> goodie makes 5 bytram
[02:20:02] <cmn32480> !Woop!
[02:19:43] <Bytramm> just a moment
[02:19:36] <Bytramm> sorry, couldn't resist.
[02:19:17] <Bytramm> goodie: goody!
[02:19:02] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a brick in a sock
[02:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[02:18:45] <goodie> hi there, coming late to the party but if there's still help needed for editorial duties, I'd be happy to give a hand (constant throughput not guaranteed :p )
[02:17:49] -!- goodie [goodie!~c0dec36c@qopzs-420.550.973.936.electronicbox.net] has joined #editorial
[02:07:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> eds: updated the call to arms story with some destructions on what to expect/do.
[01:35:31] <Bytramm> biab laundry
[01:35:10] <Bytramm> yeah, saw him volunteer in the comments -- saw he'd posted his reall email addy -- many thanks for clearing that up!
[01:34:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian. he's not on dev yet though
[01:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> um, i forget.
[01:33:00] <Bytramm> I saw the 2 in the story's comments.
[01:32:36] <Bytramm> nod nod; who was the 4th?
[01:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> so far we have snow, sea, and cockroach hooked up
[01:30:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> four that i know of and at least 2-3 more in the comments that need contacted
[01:23:02] <Bytramm> did I see that there were 3 or 4 volunteers?
[01:22:49] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 74
[01:22:48] <Bytramm> cmn32480++ fine job helping the new eds get started!
[01:15:44] Bytram|hiding is now known as Bytramm
[01:07:42] Bytram is now known as Bytram|hiding
[01:07:26] Bytram|hiding is now known as Bytram