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[12:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> knod knod
[12:46:10] <Bytram> final version of my comment: https://soylentnews.org
[12:38:27] <Bytram> Sources reveal that the film will not be an origin tale, but a standalone movie focused on Wonka and his early adventures.
[12:38:26] <Bytram> I remember stumbling over the word "origin" when I first processed the story, and then figured it out. Looks like it got changed later... I've reverted that change back to "origin":
[12:36:30] <Bytram> someone changed the quoted text.
[12:36:20] <Bytram> ahhh, now I noticed the comment's subject: "Original/Origin?"
[12:32:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for the feedback / discussion!
[12:32:12] <Bytram> ^^ is what I'm going with
[12:32:03] <Bytram> Further, if the word "reboot" is of concern, it was in quoted text — we don't change quotes.
[12:29:21] <Bytram> <p>I reread the summary (and made some minor formatting changes and added an obit) but am failing to see what else needs to be changed. Nowhere in the summary do I see it saying that it is a "remake". As I understand it, they are using the character of Willy Wonka in a different story. Further, the word "reboot" was in quoted text — we don't change quotes.</p>
[12:29:19] <Bytram> good point
[12:28:01] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> "reboot" was in a quote. We don't change quotes.
[12:27:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/.*/"reboot" was in a quote. We don't change quotes./
[12:26:48] <exec> <Bytram> I reread the summary (and made some minor formatting changes and added an obit) but am failing to see what else needs to be changed. Nowhere in the summary do I see it saying that it is a "remake". As I read it, they are using the character of Willy Wonka in a different story.
[12:26:46] <Bytram> s/understand/read/
[12:26:32] <Bytram> I reread the summary (and made some minor formatting changes and added an obit) but am failing to see what else needs to be changed. Nowhere in the summary do I see it saying that it is a "remake". As I understand it, they are using the character of Willy Wonka in a different story.
[12:26:32] <Bytram> my (tentative) reply:
[12:25:32] <Bytram> nod nod; did not plan to.
[12:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> but we don't need to go changing the quote
[12:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> a better word not a synonym though.
[12:24:39] <Bytram> okay, another word for a reboot might be "prequel"?
[12:24:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 61
[12:24:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:24:24] <Bender> karma - being_right: 1
[12:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> being_right++
[12:24:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 60
[12:24:16] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:24:14] <Bytram> yeah, you are right...
[12:24:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was just telling another story.
[12:23:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, that's not a reboot. nothing was changed really.
[12:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> at this point at least
[12:23:38] <Bytram> better example of a reboot would be the "Star Trek - Enterprise" series
[12:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not meant to change the story but to tell another story.
[12:23:07] <Bytram> reboot == restart at some (earlier) part of the story line
[12:23:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, and this isn't. it's meant to be a prequel not a reboot.
[12:22:54] <Bytram> remake == same story with different actors and interpretations of roles
[12:22:28] <Bytram> not to me. A remake is what was done with Johnny Depp did to the original Oscar Wilde version. A reboot is what Abrams did to star trek
[12:21:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that's on the quoted party not us, though we could clarify.
[12:21:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> "reboot" is essentially the same as a remake. neither are accurate.
[12:21:15] <Bytram> is different, right?
[12:21:07] <Bytram> the TFS says, at most, it is a "reboot"
[12:20:47] <Bytram> the commentor says it is not a "remake"
[12:20:36] <Bytram> Summary needs correcting. It seems that this is not a remake of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" but is original work based on the character of Wonka, in other settings. Before he became a recluse in the factory, and after Charlie wins the competition, he had many other adventures.
[12:20:36] <Bytram> here's the comment:
[12:20:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 59
[12:20:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that's in a quote
[12:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> "If the reboot is a hit, it seems likely that characters like Charlie could be seen in future installments of a possible franchise."
[12:19:14] <Bytram> did Imiss somethin?
[12:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, fair nuff
[12:18:42] <Bytram> and where, in the story, does it say it is a reboot?
[12:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not a reboot, it's an original prequel
[12:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not confusing, the commenter is correct
[12:16:55] <Bytram> cmn32480: I'm confused by this comment; was wondering if you could please take a look? https://soylentnews.org
[12:15:53] <Bytram> cmn32480: good morning!
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[04:37:42] <Bytram> takyon: Did you fall asleep on your keyboard?
[04:20:06] <takyon> fbvvbvbvbbvvbvb
[03:06:31] <NotSanguine> I'd love to say I made it up, but I didn't. Use it frequently. later on.
[03:06:02] <Bytram> biab
[03:05:57] * Bytram never heard that one before... I *like* it!
[03:05:38] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:05:34] <NotSanguine> Hasta la pasta, Bytram
[03:05:26] <NotSanguine> Why? knowledge is good regardless of the source.
[03:05:24] <Bytram> and, with that, I'm gonna take a short break.
[03:04:50] <Bytram> I'd hate to admit how many of the ones I collected came from the bottom of pages here and on /. =)
[03:04:16] <NotSanguine> Yes. I know it sounds trite, but the Unix fortune database has oodles of them.
[03:03:48] <Bytram> true that
[03:03:41] <Bytram> have collected hundreds of 'em
[03:03:37] <NotSanguine> And he was pretty old by the time everything hit the fan too.
[03:03:28] <Bytram> I'm big on memorable phrases and reflections.
[03:03:02] <Bytram> I've seen a lot of stuff attributed to Ben, that really wasn't his... I think people remember the gist of thew quote, and then "it was one of those guys back then" and the one they are best able to remember is good ol' Ben
[03:03:02] <NotSanguine> I'm glad I didn't have to explain the reference. That's always painful :)
[03:02:34] <NotSanguine> Honestly, I kind of missed it. It keeps me looking at news and new information. I find editing rather stimulating
[03:01:58] <NotSanguine> I thought it was Ben Franklin, but sure we can say it's that firebrand instead. :)
[03:01:35] <Bytram> Patrick Henry?
[03:01:18] <NotSanguine> While we won't "hang seperately" it helps if we hang together. :)
[03:01:03] <Bytram> and, even more so, so glad to have you back in the saddle!
[03:00:43] <Bytram> a pleasure; I appreciate your receptivity!
[03:00:32] <NotSanguine> Thank you for your comments and your help.
[03:00:29] <Bytram> OTOH, there was a point where things went from active, conscious thought, and then *poof*, seemed like easy-peasie
[03:00:23] <NotSanguine> I remember. I just didn't want to just go off and set things in motion until I got some feedback. It has been a while.
[02:59:51] <Bytram> true
[02:59:46] <Bytram> I agree that this story does not need an extra sentence at the end.
[02:59:39] <NotSanguine> Don't forget, I was doing this for a year or so before I went on my little hiatus
[02:59:14] <Bytram> I remember when I was first editing and how much it seemed there was for me to learn, but it wasn't too long before it became second nature.
[02:59:04] <NotSanguine> Thanks. I'll set it to "display"
[02:58:53] <NotSanguine> As for a question/statement at the end, this type of article doesn't really lend itself to that
[02:58:33] <Bytram> well done!
[02:58:29] <Bytram> so, looks good to me!
[02:58:20] <Bytram> 'zactly
[02:58:12] <NotSanguine> yes. and monetise and all the rest
[02:58:11] <Bytram> if it's a UK source, and they like the 'u' in there, then we keep it.
[02:57:44] <Bytram> also comes about in things like "color" vs "colour" and the like
[02:57:33] <NotSanguine> I agree
[02:57:26] <NotSanguine> I thought about it, but it usually comes out pretty snarky from me. :)
[02:57:24] <Bytram> oh, just htat when quoting what someone else wrote, it's not up to us to fix their conventions
[02:57:00] <Bytram> there's a part of me that would like to see one more conversation-starter sentence after the blockquote, but it's not necessary
[02:56:58] <NotSanguine> Not sure what you mean
[02:56:33] <NotSanguine> I noticed it, and it annoyed me, but I realised (see what I did there?) the difference and left it alone
[02:56:14] <Bytram> when quoting, *quote*
[02:55:56] <Bytram> right!
[02:55:56] <NotSanguine> yup.
[02:55:50] <NotSanguine> I just left it as they did
[02:55:47] <Bytram> for example, BBC has "Esa" and "Nasa" where on this side of the pond, it'd be "EsA" and "NASA"
[02:55:39] <NotSanguine> You mean for ESA?
[02:55:26] <Bytram> the BBC seems to do initial caps where in the US we would tend to do all caps...
[02:55:19] <NotSanguine> Yes?
[02:55:03] <Bytram> oh, one other observation about the story
[02:54:57] <NotSanguine> The "beta" sucked on my browser and Bennett Haselton was the last straw for me.
[02:54:42] <Bytram> agreed.
[02:54:30] <Bytram> so, when got wind of a fork of /. during the slashcott, I didn't waste any time in tracking it down and signing up, before it was announced. =)
[02:54:07] <NotSanguine> Which is something I like much more about SN. We tend to be (well, at least until the election madness started) much more info dense.
[02:53:51] <Bytram> as it approached 200k, I finally bit the bullet and signed up.
[02:53:28] <Bytram> I had a 2nd chance where their DB exploded and everyone had to signup for nicks, again.
[02:53:06] <Bytram> I sit corrected!
[02:52:57] <NotSanguine> Actually, i'd say "text-dense" rather than information-dense in many cases :)
[02:52:47] <Bytram> my uid there was 6-digit as I was very hesitant to put my info out there in order to sign up for a nick.
[02:52:15] <Bytram> i watched that site go through several re-"skins", but one thing it retained -- information dense display
[02:52:12] <NotSanguine> So, just a youngster in ./ years...barely out of diapers you might say :)
[02:51:47] <NotSanguine> I had a 5 digit uid there.
[02:51:39] * Bytram offers an aspririn
[02:51:28] <NotSanguine> As much as it will pain me :)
[02:51:21] <NotSanguine> Consistency is more important than my personal stylistic peccadilloes.
[02:51:17] * Bytram was reading /. before they had UIDs there.
[02:50:58] <Bytram> there is a bit of a possible confusion as to whether the elided text was from within that particular paragraph or not, but the savings in vertical white-space seem to be worth it to me.
[02:50:26] <NotSanguine> Not in a long time. And as I recall, during the year or so I was editing here, I always put in the whitespace. but I'm open to change
[02:49:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:49:41] <NotSanguine> I see your point. I hadn't noticed the ellipsis on the same line as the text. If that's the way everybody's doing it, I will too.
[02:49:39] <Bytram> were you previously on /. ??
[02:49:13] <Bytram> we each have our unique aspects, but there is still an effort to be somewhat consistent for the site.
[02:48:49] <Bytram> it's not so much I'm the boss, but we strive to have a consistent layout no matter who does the editing...
[02:47:58] <NotSanguine> You're the bossman, so I'll do it your way if it's important to you
[02:47:57] <Bytram> for me, on my computer, that story takes up the better part of my screen's available display area
[02:47:32] <Bytram> I agree there is a tradeoff
[02:47:13] <NotSanguine> The extra break would add a little whitespace, but it balances things out
[02:46:34] <NotSanguine> I get your point about whitespace, but having text, break, ellipsis, break, text makes it more readable IMHO
[02:45:35] <Bytram> I'm open to hearing why.
[02:45:13] <NotSanguine> I really dislike having the ellipsis on the same line as the text
[02:44:39] * Bytram has no idea why preview needs to be invoked on initial load to get the proper layout/indentation.
[02:44:14] <Bytram> okay, load it, then hit preview, then take a look
[02:42:24] <NotSanguine> Yes. I used it a bunch before saving/updating
[02:41:58] <Bytram> btw, for future reference, [Preview] is your friend... it'll balance tags for ya (may not put 'em exactly where you want em, but still)
[02:41:51] <NotSanguine> Yeah, updates every 4-6 weeks suck.
[02:41:16] <Bytram> no, that means I am familiar with that one. (and I approve of the ESR)
[02:41:14] <NotSanguine> Knock yourself out. Let me know and I'll load it up again
[02:40:53] <NotSanguine> Does "nod nod" that mean..oh, that moron uses Firefox, or does that mean add another line break?
[02:40:18] <Bytram> let me make a few changes, then you can reload it in a different tab and see what I did... k?
[02:39:43] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:39:39] <NotSanguine> Firefox ESR
[02:39:31] <Bytram> curious, what browser do you use?
[02:39:26] <NotSanguine> I think an additional line break, no?
[02:38:56] <Bytram> Much better!
[02:38:25] <Bytram> let me reload
[02:37:20] <NotSanguine> Sorry. I updated
[02:37:04] <NotSanguine> I don't know. I think an additional <br> after the ellipsis is in order, no?
[02:35:22] <Bytram> Yep, just ask Moses at the Burning Bush!
[02:35:14] <NotSanguine> I'll see what that looks like
[02:34:54] <Bytram> this is more stylistic, but in the interests of not having gobs of vertical white-space in the story, I prefer to put the ellipsis at the beginning of a paragraph, rather than in a paragraph of its own.
[02:34:39] <NotSanguine> Names should be used correctly.
[02:34:20] <NotSanguine> words have meaning, and names have power. :)
[02:33:57] <NotSanguine> Yes, I see that. Updated.
[02:33:54] <Bytram> nice
[02:33:49] <Bytram> ^^^ me is sensitive to that for some reason; I don't know why.
[02:33:46] <NotSanguine> I agree. I thought I'd included enough <br>s to take care of the spacing, but not so. <p></p> will work fine.
[02:32:50] <Bytram> and, yes, the word "The" is part of the name of that publication
[02:32:29] <Bytram> so, for example, <em>The New York Times</em>
[02:32:12] <Bytram> even if it was not like that in the original, I'll add 'em in to make the material more understandable to the reader
[02:31:45] <Bytram> 2.) italicize names of publications like journals and newspapers
[02:31:40] <NotSanguine> of course. that's standard editing practice.
[02:31:24] <Bytram> 1.) to add [sic] after a typo
[02:31:16] <NotSanguine> I'm with you.
[02:31:14] <Bytram> My exceptions are:
[02:30:59] <Bytram> there are rare occasions when I'll take liberties with that, but the reader should expect that a quote is, well, an actual quote.
[02:30:22] <NotSanguine> I'll make it so.
[02:30:21] <Bytram> Is why I don't like BBC's one sentence paragraphs... but it is, what it is, so just go with it.
[02:30:18] <NotSanguine> You point WRT to matching the source's formatting is well taken
[02:29:56] <NotSanguine> Yes, I know.
[02:29:51] <NotSanguine> Okay. I can do that. Although using <p></p> too much annoys me
[02:29:38] <Bytram> the <p> tag denotes it is a paragraph and contains semantic meaning about the contents, whereas a <br> (break) tag denotes strictly layout.
[02:28:45] <Bytram> </p>
[02:28:45] <Bytram> <p>For the moment, all Esa has to work with is the relatively large volume of engineering data Schiaparelli managed to transmit back to the "mothership" that dropped it off at Mars - the Trace Gas Orbiter.
[02:28:36] <Bytram> with:
[02:28:34] <Bytram> <br>
[02:28:33] <Bytram> For the moment, all Esa has to work with is the relatively large volume of engineering data Schiaparelli managed to transmit back to the "mothership" that dropped it off at Mars - the Trace Gas Orbiter.
[02:28:31] <Bytram> replace:
[02:28:17] <Bytram> better:
[02:28:10] <Bytram> hold on
[02:28:04] <Bytram> which means each line they submitted is terminated with a "<br>"
[02:28:03] <NotSanguine> I believe I did. I see it. I added <br>s but I'll add some more
[02:27:46] <Bytram> looks like they submitted the story as "Plain Text"
[02:27:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:27:18] <Bytram> BBC is [in]famous for one-sentence paragraphs
[02:27:11] <NotSanguine> the original submission was really minimal with the quotes, so I added a bunch from the BBC article. But left out great chunks
[02:27:04] <Bytram> when I have quoted text from other sources I strive to maintain their layout.
[02:26:13] <Bytram> great!
[02:26:06] <NotSanguine> Now will read "...and is working as expected."
[02:25:40] <NotSanguine> Yes. It will be remedied.
[02:25:39] <Bytram> "into the proper orbit and it working as expected."
[02:25:21] <Bytram> I think a word out
[02:25:12] <Bytram> re-read the last sentence
[02:25:04] <Bytram> the opening paragraph...
[02:24:49] <Bytram> k
[02:24:46] <NotSanguine> Okay, I'm there
[02:24:44] <Bytram> ;)
[02:24:42] <Bytram> time's up!
[02:24:32] <NotSanguine> No worries. yes, please do. one second
[02:24:10] <Bytram> NotSanguine: just a couple of things... I'll talk you through 'em if you'd like?
[02:21:20] <Bytram> NotSanguine: appreciate your chipping in with the stories!
[02:18:51] <Bytram> np!
[02:18:44] <NotSanguine> Bytram: Thanks! Your feedback (if any is necessary) would be appreciated.
[02:18:04] <Bytram> in a bit
[02:18:01] <Bytram> NotSanguine: k
[02:17:54] * Bytram points at TheMightyBuzzard
[02:17:37] * TheMightyBuzzard points at Bytram
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[02:15:42] <NotSanguine> Hi guys. I just finished editing the Mars lander article. I set it to non-display, as I was hoping someone would take a look and make sure I didn't scre anything up.
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