#editorial | Logs for 2016-02-06
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[21:09:57] <shekel> ^ 03Who wants a quad-core 4.2GHz, 64GB, 5TB SSD RAID 10 … laptop? • The Register
[21:09:56] <Bytram> oh. my. WANT: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[21:08:47] <shekel> ^ 03That's cute, Germany – China shows the world how fusion is done • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[21:08:46] <Bytram> whereto: http://go.theregister.com
[21:08:44] <Bytram> zz_janrinok: sorry I missed ya!
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[15:44:50] <cmn32480> takyon - good call on the edgar mitchell story
[15:21:32] <janrinok|afk> nick, thx will do
[15:21:19] * nick hat tip
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[15:21:15] <nick> take care, and give my regards to S
[15:20:19] <janrinok> nick - got to run for a while, might be back on later. Nice to hear from you. :)
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[15:19:29] * janrinok listens to out-of-tune whistling
[15:19:02] * cmn32480 goes away whistling a happy tune
[15:18:50] <cmn32480> :-)
[15:18:45] <cmn32480> Welcome Home!
[15:18:42] <janrinok> likewise
[15:18:37] <cmn32480> great seeing you again
[15:18:31] <cmn32480> you too sir
[15:18:31] * nick hat tip
[15:18:27] <janrinok> take care - and best wishes to all cmn32480
[15:18:25] <cmn32480> I going wiht ice cream
[15:18:13] <janrinok> ... or is it someone's buttocks? I've never understood these symbols
[15:18:08] <cmn32480> I gotta run janrinok
[15:17:45] <cmn32480> even BETTER!
[15:17:39] <janrinok> with twin scoops
[15:17:30] <cmn32480> OOOOO an ice cream cone!
[15:17:26] <janrinok> hi nick
[15:17:17] <nick> <3 janrinok
[15:16:57] <cmn32480> please give S my best. And thank her for letting you out to play for a bit
[15:16:35] <cmn32480> I know
[15:16:33] * cmn32480 looks at his shoes...
[15:16:21] <janrinok> hopefully, I will get back on here later today. And you know that any attempt to hide will be futile
[15:16:12] <cmn32480> or playing on my PS2
[15:16:06] <cmn32480> curled in the fetal position
[15:15:55] <cmn32480> and the lights out
[15:15:51] <cmn32480> with the door closed
[15:15:46] <cmn32480> in here
[15:15:43] <cmn32480> I'm hoping to hide for most of it
[15:15:33] <cmn32480> women + logic = impossible
[15:15:16] <janrinok> sounds logical - not
[15:15:05] <cmn32480> and I have to vacuum the basment so it can get trashed by the girls
[15:14:53] <cmn32480> she hopped in the shower.
[15:14:49] <cmn32480> me too
[15:14:45] <cmn32480> UK armor - them big metal suits.... she'd push me over and beat me up for scratchign the floor!
[15:14:38] <janrinok> I've got about 5 minutes left before I must go
[15:14:07] <cmn32480> Tanks MIGHT be sufficient
[15:14:05] <janrinok> yeah, I saw that mentioned somewhere the other day
[15:14:00] <cmn32480> for J, I need US Armor.
[15:13:47] <cmn32480> Admin->User messaging is in this upgrade
[15:13:45] <janrinok> ah, US armor is not as good as UK armour
[15:13:36] <cmn32480> TMB has been hard at work
[15:13:31] <cmn32480> so anyway..
[15:13:14] * cmn32480 needs to find armor
[15:13:00] <cmn32480> I know
[15:12:55] <janrinok> still plenty of time for that...
[15:12:41] <cmn32480> she hasn't punched me... yet
[15:12:29] <janrinok> is she at the tearing hair out stage yet, or just mildly stressed by the hectic build up?
[15:12:19] <cmn32480> I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that thigns are getting better
[15:11:53] <cmn32480> I will... once the party is over
[15:11:44] <janrinok> send her my best!
[15:11:35] <cmn32480> J is in rare form this morning
[15:11:28] * cmn32480 sneaks back to IRD
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[15:09:29] <janrinok> that's what they all say
[15:09:24] <cmn32480> not our fault
[15:09:21] <cmn32480> it was linode
[15:09:07] <janrinok> ah, good to see that we are maintaining our usual high technical standards :))
[15:08:49] <cmn32480> site upgrade this weekend
[15:08:40] <cmn32480> and the other channel gets hosed every time that happens
[15:08:30] <cmn32480> nope... the bloody server got restarted
[15:07:57] <janrinok> I've become PNG in my absence
[15:07:44] <janrinok> nope - still giving me blank looks
[15:07:42] <cmn32480> hmmmmm
[15:07:21] <janrinok> I did
[15:07:17] <cmn32480> use /join <channel>
[15:06:54] <janrinok> I've got the invite by still can't get to the chan
[15:06:39] <cmn32480> you should now have an invite
[15:06:22] <cmn32480> fixed
[15:06:03] <cmn32480> eeeeee yeah
[15:05:47] <janrinok> so, a nice quite pm for you then ;)
[15:05:29] <cmn32480> but my house willbe filled with a bunch of 3,-5 year olds in about an hour
[15:05:13] <janrinok> it took me a while to log in - at first the system wouldn't accept me, and I still can't reach the channel the shall not be named
[15:05:06] <cmn32480> still a baby
[15:05:00] <cmn32480> 4
[15:04:38] <janrinok> so how many years is your daughter celebrating?
[15:04:28] <cmn32480> I will admit to being happily surprised to see you logged in
[15:04:11] <cmn32480> back
[15:02:48] <janrinok> k
[15:02:33] <cmn32480> brb gott put a step ladder back in the basement
[15:02:16] <janrinok> that's what I thought the typo should have said :)
[15:02:15] <cmn32480> so J has me running around doing all kinda stuff
[15:02:02] <exec> <cmn32480> we are prepping for a hello kitty bday party for my daughter
[15:02:01] <cmn32480> s/litty/kitty/
[15:01:50] <cmn32480> we are prepping for a hello litty bday party for my daughter
[15:01:22] <janrinok> S is still making a slow but steady recovery. She is sitting up but cannot hold anything, so I have to help with drinks etc
[15:00:32] <janrinok> how's J and the kids?
[15:00:15] <janrinok> I've got about 30 minutes to myself!
[15:00:06] <cmn32480> How's S?
[15:00:02] <cmn32480> The prodigal son returns!
[14:59:52] <janrinok> cmn!!
[14:59:03] <cmn32480> sorry got a little excited
[14:58:50] <cmn32480> janrinok !!!>>?>>>>??<>NMJEKILHYQ#E$*(TOHQ
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[10:08:18] <Bytram> have a great day everyone!
[10:08:06] <Bytram> okay, I really should be getting back to sleep.
[09:54:48] <shekel> ^ 03Go Away Or I Will Replace You With A Very Small Shell Script - Computer T-Shirt - Geek T-Shirts and Apparel - Office Desk Toys, Geek Swag Cool Gadgets at KlearGear.com
[09:54:47] <Bytram> How long before Wall Street bankers are replaced with a "<a href="http://www.kleargear.com/1474.html">very small shell script</a>?"</p>
[09:54:46] <Bytram> striking a line from the Robo-advisors story:
[09:52:50] <Bytram> :(
[09:52:49] <Bytram> that is just supposition, as I would *like* to think that there are some protections in place "think of the children" but I am cynical enough to imagine that THAT concern may have 'fallen through the cracks'
[09:51:38] <Bytram> MS is just following in well-trod steps here, but with a twist: it's all 'in the cloud' (if I am not mistaken) so they can build up a dossier on all the students before they even get out into 'the real world'
[09:50:48] <Bytram> ditto for free/low-cost Apple II computers as well as NeXT computers, too.
[09:50:11] <Bytram> FYI, ISTR that IBM made a real coup in getting school typing classes to use IBM Selectric typewriters... graduates would get into the work force and balk at having to use manual typewriters... massively increased sales.
[09:48:29] <shekel> ^ 03Error
[09:48:29] <Bytram> cmn32480: re: https://soylentnews.org
[09:22:32] * Bytram continues 2nding stories
[09:20:45] <Bytram> hope you have a great day!
[09:20:37] <Bytram> I *did* try to search for that story, but it's middle-of-the-night here and my search-fu is weak. :/
[09:19:48] <Bytram> the story is not due out until 14:34 UTC, so there's some time to make adjustments, if needed.
[09:18:39] <Bytram> then, again, *this* story is about there being a Kickstarter project for it... so not exactly a dupe.
[09:17:59] <Bytram> I am certain someone had posted a comment saying something to the effect that it should not be saying "yes" because it could inadvertently be agreeing to something and thus entering the callee into a legal agreement.
[09:16:52] <Bytram> It stays on the line and any time it senses a moment of silence in the conversation, the robot [cbsnews.com] voice jumps in and fills the gap with generic responses like "yes" or "right" or "hang on."
[09:16:46] <Bytram> this line set it off:
[09:16:31] <Bytram> and I'm pretty sure we ran a very similar story before.
[09:16:06] <Bytram> "Deliverance From Telemarketers Through Applied Karma"
[09:15:52] <shekel> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[09:15:51] <Bytram> oops, need a space in there: https://soylentnews.org
[09:15:40] <Bytram> cmn32480: I'm looking at this story:https://soylentnews.org/admin.pl?op=edit&sid=16/02/06/0347207
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[09:13:41] <shekel> ^ 03SN journal Stepeping down as leader 04(13 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[09:13:39] <Bytram|away> which refers to: http://soylentnews.org
[09:13:28] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: A Resignation 04(128 comments)
[09:13:25] <Bytram|away> add this to the 'History of SoylentNews': https://soylentnews.org
[08:17:14] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 41
[08:17:14] <Bytram|away> cmn32480++ massive posting binge yesterday! thanks!!
[08:16:28] <Bytram|away> cmn32480: re: HoF. At about 08:02:45 UTC I noticed that the HoF counts had not been updated, and I just now checked and they have been. My take is that there is some daemon that gets launched and, as part of its processing, updates the counts at some indeterminate time after 0800 UTC (0300 EST)
[08:11:48] <Bytram|away> takyon: would appreciate it if you can give me a link to the bug and I might be able to take a look at it.
[08:11:17] <Bytram|away> takyon: I'm reading backscroll; when user has chosen to obfuscate e-mail address in their preferences, and submits a story, current practice is to submit obfuscated email address which you submitted as a bug. Desired behavior is to do what? Not submit e-mail address at all; but do supply link to ~username/ page?
[05:53:31] <takyon> this is the jorunal iu mentioned
[05:53:26] <shekel> ^✓ 03Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[05:53:26] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[05:44:44] <mrcoolbp> darn
[05:44:14] <takyon> I didn't see it in his journal entry
[05:44:03] <mrcoolbp> I'll ping him
[05:43:57] <mrcoolbp> actually I thought he had most of it ironed out, it may be in the next update
[05:43:22] <takyon> some are aware that Stripe functionality is planned
[05:43:21] <mrcoolbp> yeah, it's on his list
[05:43:08] <takyon> but won't because PayPal A SHIT
[05:43:03] <takyon> people want to chuck their hard earned money at us
[05:42:55] <takyon> again
[05:42:51] <takyon> so that should be TMB's #1 priority honestly
[05:42:50] <Deucalion> We seem to be doing OK without it
[05:42:43] <takyon> well I know people are waiting to throw money at us for when we have Stripe functionality
[05:42:20] <mrcoolbp> their little time is spent on trying to keep payments working (which are broken for bitcoin right now) = (
[05:41:58] <mrcoolbp> we just need more devs
[05:41:52] <mrcoolbp> that is the correct practice
[05:41:08] <takyon> what I just do is fill out a bug report, and then forget it
[05:40:58] <takyon> I think you can confirm this if you change your email to display, put obsfucation on, and try to submit
[05:40:46] <mrcoolbp> my kingdom for some more devs (I feel bad pestering them for mundane shit these days)
[05:40:03] <mrcoolbp> damn I thought we coded it to go to the user page by default, that is the behavior we agreed upon a long time ago
[05:39:59] <takyon> you can tell that I've thought about this shit
[05:39:47] <takyon> so whenever I hit the submit page, I don't have to remember to delete my email
[05:39:35] <takyon> I added an optional setting that clears that field
[05:39:27] <takyon> so in my Soylent user extension
[05:39:21] <takyon> which when you have your email set to display, but use obsfucation, leads to a REALLY UGLY hyperlink added to your story
[05:38:58] <takyon> Soylentnews.org prefills that field for you
[05:38:47] <takyon> that's not entirely accurate
[05:38:28] <mrcoolbp> don't need if it if logged-in submitting
[05:37:17] <takyon> I never use that particular field when I submit stories, so it's easy for me to forget
[05:37:04] <mrcoolbp> well he could just be really excited about stack and not want to provide any personal info....yeah I'm stretching here
[05:37:01] <takyon> Where users can contact you" <- they put thestack.com
[05:37:01] <takyon> "Your Email or Homepage
[05:36:26] <takyon> "an Anonymous Coward who includes a link to thestack.com around their username"
[05:36:19] <takyon> this part is key:
[05:36:07] <takyon> you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to see something fishy with an Anonymous Coward who includes a link to thestack.com around their username, writes a story that links only to thestack.com, and does this several times and never any other site
[05:35:52] <mrcoolbp> Deucalion^
[05:35:04] <takyon> the issue is people self-promoting their junk
[05:34:53] <takyon> our bot is our bot
[05:18:48] <mrcoolbp> ah
[05:17:23] <Deucalion> I think it was Janrinoks
[05:16:01] <mrcoolbp> I thought you wrote it actually Deucalion
[05:15:53] <mrcoolbp> I honestly have no idea who wrote that and how it works
[05:15:27] <mrcoolbp> true
[05:14:14] <Deucalion> Wouldn't it be kinda hypocritical to nix bot subs when our own editor had Knackerbracket (sic) subbing stuff? Just putting it out there for consideration.... can't say I am a fan of some other site auto-subbing all their shit to us, but we need to be consistent in policy here.
[05:13:58] <takyon> except now
[05:13:52] <takyon> i'm too literate
[05:09:17] <mrcoolbp> we had to work to get to the level we are at!
[05:09:07] <mrcoolbp> not everyone is as gifted as you takyon = )
[05:08:52] <takyon> I guess I don't know what you did
[05:08:33] <takyon> maybe he just dropped his spaghetti when it came to posting and making common sense changes in the summary?
[05:08:13] <takyon> that's too bad, it isn't that hard
[05:07:54] <mrcoolbp> = (
[05:07:52] <mrcoolbp> he was going to be an editor but I think I was too hard on him
[05:07:36] <mrcoolbp> I mean he's like what, half our content?
[05:07:24] <mrcoolbp> he just subs everything, we run most of them
[05:07:14] <mrcoolbp> phoenix stories wouldn't fit that bill though
[05:07:03] <mrcoolbp> so I can see it used for that
[05:06:57] <mrcoolbp> that would be pj
[05:06:41] <takyon> i dunno who X is
[05:06:35] <takyon> also to get potentially malicious or definitive spam posts out of the way so X person can look at them and add to spam filter
[05:06:15] <takyon> it's to get it out of sight out of mind, and to lower the amount of subs users see
[05:05:52] <mrcoolbp> personally I don't understand the use of the hold feature, either post or reject is my motto
[05:05:30] <takyon> one story is from 2013
[05:05:26] <takyon> being old or weird
[05:05:23] <mrcoolbp> I'm just trying to figure out the thinking and exploring whys
[05:05:21] <takyon> the other Phoenix666 stories are in the hold for the usual reasons
[05:05:08] <takyon> if you want to run one of them you can
[05:04:53] <takyon> I can't grok it. that's why I'm bringing it to yall
[05:04:51] <mrcoolbp> well if the volume is low, and some of the stories are interesting and relatively decently written, what's the issue?
[05:04:36] <takyon> was it because of the slashdot sale, we got a little extra attention?
[05:04:25] <takyon> but I don't get the thought process that suddenly leads this thestack.com (employee?) person to start submitting to us
[05:04:04] <takyon> someone could have copy and pasted it
[05:03:53] <takyon> it's not like it was submitted 2 seconds within each other
[05:03:51] <mrcoolbp> just a thought
[05:02:35] <mrcoolbp> by users, not bots
[05:02:31] <mrcoolbp> we want curated subs
[05:02:24] <mrcoolbp> well I think we should have a policy against auto-subbing
[05:02:15] <takyon> decision time
[05:02:11] <takyon> the facts are out there
[05:02:06] <takyon> you now know everything I have to say about why I put thestack.com submissions in the hold
[05:01:41] <takyon> all I'm saying is
[05:01:34] <mrcoolbp> the sub I meant
[05:01:23] <takyon> a couple looked interesting
[05:01:17] <takyon> the stories themselves aren't much special
[05:01:11] <mrcoolbp> takyon: is it just a copypasta of the first paragraph? that would spell bot
[05:01:10] <takyon> we have deleted personal blog links for that, I find this no different
[05:00:55] <takyon> that reads to me like self-promotion
[05:00:49] <takyon> and then the link in the story is always thestack.com, nothing else
[05:00:36] <shekel> ^ 03The Stack - Security, IoT, Cloud, and the latest tech news
[05:00:35] <takyon> https://thestack.com
[05:00:35] <takyon> Anonymous Coward
[05:00:34] <takyon> when you see:
[05:00:13] <takyon> i'm not crazy right
[05:00:10] <takyon> i mean
[04:59:57] <takyon> yes thanks
[04:59:49] <shekel> ^ 03Facebook Introduces Emojis, Live Video - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[04:59:47] <mrcoolbp> that one^
[04:59:43] <mrcoolbp> http://tech.slashdot.org
[04:59:21] <takyon> i think that's jsut normal /. conspiracy
[04:59:10] <takyon> they implied that they get run because they pay slashdot but I can't vouch for that
[04:58:54] <takyon> I linked a slashdot.com discussion about thestack.com earlier in this channel
[04:58:54] <mrcoolbp> what are the subs, just first paragraph copy?
[04:58:40] <takyon> I'm just very suspicious of it
[04:58:32] <takyon> it's nothing like a barrage
[04:58:29] <mrcoolbp> that
[04:58:26] <takyon> like 1-2 a day
[04:58:14] <takyon> volume?
[04:58:11] <Deucalion> hola mrcoolbp o/ , long time since paths crossed
[04:57:36] <mrcoolbp> also Hi Deucalion!
[04:57:28] <mrcoolbp> hmm, what's the volume like takyon?
[04:57:04] <Deucalion> sounds automated bottage
[04:56:53] <mrcoolbp> like an auto-sub thing?
[04:56:42] <takyon> which makes me think it is spam-esque
[04:56:34] <takyon> thestack.com is the link that is in their email/url field, and then the story is always form stack.com
[04:56:10] <takyon> thestack.com anonymous coward
[04:55:08] <mrcoolbp> what posts to our site and /. ?
[04:53:35] <takyon> I wanted to have a discussion about it so I didn't just delete them
[04:53:23] <takyon> It posts to our site just recently but slashdot in the past, and it strikes me as self-promotion
[04:53:02] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480 ^
[04:52:57] <takyon> i don't like them
[04:52:53] <takyon> i put them there
[04:52:19] <mrcoolbp> no idea buddy
[04:18:47] <cmn32480> what's the deal w/ all the AC thestack.com subs in the hold queue? anybody ever figure this one out
[01:53:26] * cmn32480 digs around for music
[01:53:15] <cmn32480> i'm gonna try to get in the mood to edit us into tomorrow
[01:52:58] <cmn32480> ok
[01:52:52] <takyon> I'm going to take a break but I'll have at least 2 more submissions written later
[01:52:37] <cmn32480> no doi listed in the page source
[01:52:16] <cmn32480> the topic is funny... and well presented
[01:51:53] <takyon> *MFW
[01:51:43] <takyon> TFW RBF gets in a real journal
[01:51:11] <takyon> looks non peer reviewed but nicely presented
[01:51:04] <cmn32480> in there now
[01:51:00] <shekel> ^ 03Throwing Shade: The Science of Resting Bitch Face
[01:50:59] <takyon> from: http://info.noldus.com
[01:50:53] <takyon> doesn't look like it
[01:50:17] <cmn32480> looking inot that too
[01:50:12] <cmn32480> It is a well done summarty
[01:50:11] <takyon> is there a DOI involved?
[01:50:04] <takyon> cool yeah I like the summary too
[01:49:58] <takyon> wow
[01:49:47] <cmn32480> it is hilarious just because of the topic
[01:49:35] <cmn32480> RBF aka: Resting Bitch Face
[01:49:23] <takyon> i have no clue what that is
[01:48:13] <cmn32480> I am gonna push the RBF article.
[01:47:11] <takyon> bin with extreme prejudice
[01:47:07] <cmn32480> say ~gnight gracie
[01:46:49] <takyon> or maybe that was just my brain running it through my brain
[01:46:39] <takyon> although I think we ran something on that Kardashian story
[01:46:35] <cmn32480> bin?
[01:46:29] <takyon> yeah not needed
[01:46:07] <takyon> give me 60 seconds to look at it
[01:46:05] <shekel> ^ 03SN Submission by Phoenix666: At Last! a Taylor Swift Video Game
[01:46:04] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org!+a+Taylor+Swift+Video+Game
[01:45:55] <cmn32480> it's garbage.
[01:45:48] <takyon> I haven't loooked at it much
[01:45:42] <takyon> why's that
[01:45:30] <cmn32480> takyon - I'm going to bin the Taylor Swift video game story