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[16:21:15] <takyon> ok
[16:21:06] <cmn32480> massiver wall of text so bytram un-merged
[16:20:53] <cmn32480> they were super huge
[16:20:48] <cmn32480> takyon - no
[16:13:20] <takyon> ok I see
[16:13:02] <takyon> is someone not going to merge the NFL stories
[16:03:27] <nick> same, the week started off really good, busy but things going well, devolved into some real shit by today
[16:03:20] <cmn32480> got 2 people (of 5) out sick, a new section of the office that requires some TLC before we can move in, and the tech support stuff form custoemrs keeps rolling in
[16:02:42] <cmn32480> how 'bout you?
[16:02:38] <cmn32480> busy as hell nick
[16:02:08] <nick> hows things, cmn32480 ?
[16:01:28] * nick hat tip in mrc's direction
[15:58:32] <cmn32480> have a good day mrc!
[15:58:14] * cmn32480 passes on the duet idea
[15:57:21] * cmn32480 reads the backscrooll
[15:57:20] <mrcoolbp> Okay, gotta get some stuff done before work, ping me if you guys actually start writing that story
[15:56:43] * mrcoolbp shudders
[15:56:34] <nick> you could do a duet with MDC to make some $
[15:56:19] * mrcoolbp hands cmn32480 a tarp
[15:56:17] * cmn32480 downgrades to a large regrigerator box
[15:56:03] <mrcoolbp> sure
[15:56:02] <cmn32480> well... guess I won't be making payments on the tent this month
[15:55:58] <nick> do we still get our overtime rate?
[15:55:48] <nick> lol
[15:55:47] * mrcoolbp cuts all editor pay by 50%
[15:55:44] <cmn32480> I'm already living under the bridge w/ MDC
[15:55:34] <cmn32480> jsut don't tell mrcoolbp to cut my pay again
[15:55:27] <cmn32480> yes, dad... I'll try harder sir
[15:55:24] <nick> ;)
[15:55:21] <mrcoolbp> says the guy that can't prioritize SN
[15:55:12] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:55:09] <nick> no excuses cmn32480, we're the most important thing going!
[15:55:03] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: no prob man
[15:54:52] <mrcoolbp> when I was doing the most heavy work on the site, it was a blessing when I actually had time to read/comment!
[15:54:51] <cmn32480> sorry. had one of my techs come in with a batch of questions on a wireless survey he did yesterday
[15:54:44] <nick> that's before you're even talking about analysing and deciphering the actual news from tfa/tfs
[15:54:02] <nick> at the moment, it's hard enough to keep up with headlines, like most people i know, do not have the energy or brainpower to read the news after work
[15:52:22] <mrcoolbp> exacktlee
[15:52:12] <nick> i wish i could spend my days writing and editing, but that's sadly not what keeps the lights on.
[15:52:06] <mrcoolbp> says a lot about us that we aren't just a bunch of lazy slobs
[15:51:46] <mrcoolbp> yeah, the type of people that we tend to get as volunteers tend to be quite busy
[15:51:25] <nick> same for others i'm sure, know cmn32480 is a very busy man
[15:51:14] <mrcoolbp> if in the future we can do more, but if not, we basically are accomplishing our goal on a daily basis
[15:51:02] <nick> as much as i'd like to prioritise soylentnews, i can't justify it, nor give the effort it deserves, when i'm self-employed and have a half a dozen job sites active.
[15:50:57] <mrcoolbp> I think what we are doing is fullfilling our original mission, and we are doing great at that right now
[15:49:31] <nick> we don't have the resources to be timely and keep the content running
[15:48:26] <mrcoolbp> eek yah, it's a tough balance
[15:48:13] <nick> be like any other editor working any other news site, grinding content for those page clicks and word/article targets.
[15:47:01] <nick> i'd love to contribute more, and i could, but i want to add value and signal to the site, if editing is a chore, i'm not going to help improve the site quality
[15:46:15] <nick> understood
[15:46:01] <mrcoolbp> I emailed a few of those that just kind of slipped away once or twice, but eventually I just didn't want to bother them anymore
[15:45:39] <mrcoolbp> he moved, had a family, he meant to come back but I think life just got in the way
[15:43:24] <nick> last i recall hearing was medical emergencies with his family? that was a long time ago though
[15:42:57] <nick> what happened to him?
[15:42:52] <nick> the thing about editing is, whilst an individual story may not take much time at all, it takes energy to read and comprehend a dozen submissions and articles to have any degree of quality control
[15:42:08] <mrcoolbp> = (
[15:42:06] <mrcoolbp> I miss mattie_p
[15:41:15] <nick> it's teamwork, we do what we can and we all work together
[15:40:58] <mrcoolbp> I simply don't have the time to edit on a daily basis, but if you guys ever need a hand I hope y'all know to call on me
[15:40:36] <mrcoolbp> y'all are the best
[15:40:26] <nick> it has been an education for me, working on editorial
[15:39:46] <mrcoolbp> dev team is a close second, imagine what they could do with even just one or two more sets of hands/keyboards
[15:39:18] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: sometimes I like to site back and see what we have accomplished, the vast majority of that work goes to the on-going thankless efforts of the Editorial team, so "thanks" guys
[15:38:45] * cmn32480 wonders how many of the original crew woudl contribute to that article
[15:38:30] <nick> lol
[15:38:13] <mrcoolbp> we grilled him and he cooked up quite nicely to a perfect medium rare = )
[15:38:13] <nick> a lot of great people have worked on the site over the last couple years
[15:38:05] <cmn32480> and since then... we have been remarkably stable... all things considered
[15:37:58] <mrcoolbp> Oh man I remember so vividly the first time we spoke with him on IRC, we were....rather unsettled and probably not the nicest bunch
[15:37:23] <mrcoolbp> (he's a great guy)
[15:37:16] <mrcoolbp> which ended up being matt, our gaurdian angel
[15:37:04] <mrcoolbp> that lead to the great $2000 offer to basically sell the site to whomever
[15:36:44] <mrcoolbp> when they went to settle, B wanted to be compensated for a $500 gift he gave NC (spanish learning materials so he could decipher spanish text docs on slashcode)
[15:36:04] <mrcoolbp> The last straw was actually after this bit: "For John's stake in this, I have discussed the matter privately with him, and I will compensate him of his costs once I return to the United States"
[15:35:43] <cmn32480> I woudl wager that there are IRC logs around as well. I remember that in the articles above, some are linked to
[15:35:21] <cmn32480> there is a lot of information available.
[15:33:34] <nick> seems crazy it's been 2 years
[15:33:09] <mrcoolbp> yah
[15:33:04] <cmn32480> crazy times
[15:32:53] <mrcoolbp> all the while keeping us up and running
[15:32:44] <mrcoolbp> then Panama
[15:32:33] <mrcoolbp> then he was working from China
[15:32:19] <nick> i do actually remember that now
[15:31:43] <mrcoolbp> other teams such as dev consulted at all (and as a member of both teams, I at the very least would have liked to been informed)."
[15:31:43] <mrcoolbp> and this is what I'm talking about: "Issues started coming to a head about two weeks ago, due to an internal dispute on the operating system of choice for being run on what would be the final production systems (to date, we're still on the two Linode 2048s I setup at launch), and what the development systems would be. The decision was made without consulting all of the sys team, nor were
[15:30:15] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: State of the Site: 02/23/2014 04(108 comments)
[15:30:12] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:30:05] <mrcoolbp> and B actually asked me to do that = p
[15:30:03] <shekel> ^✓* 03SN article: SoylentNews is One Year Old! 04(92 comments)
[15:30:03] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:29:47] <mrcoolbp> lol: "The only reason we even have staff email addresses is due to mrcoolbp collecting them all independently. "
[15:28:16] <cmn32480> that last link shoudl give all the stories that NC has posted... particularly the ones from the early testing, and the time of the great uheaval in leadership
[15:28:15] <nick> 'x parted ways with the rest of the community to pursue other interests and we wish them well'
[15:27:47] <nick> if we can admit to the drama and the bullshit, that's not a bad thing, rather than glossing it over as 'creative differences' or whatever
[15:27:39] <shekel> ^ 03Search SoylentNews
[15:27:38] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:27:33] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: Unconfirmed Purchase Transaction Reported 04(234 comments)
[15:27:29] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:27:20] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: On John's Departure ... 04(152 comments)
[15:27:17] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:27:09] <nick> mrcoolbp: it is important to not forget about that, we don't want to sanitise the history
[15:26:34] <mrcoolbp> llo
[15:26:19] <cmn32480> and it turned out to be the Turbo button on a 486
[15:26:17] <nick> their perspective of why they were involved, their motivations etc
[15:26:10] <mrcoolbp> I'm hesistent to try to defend him though as I will surely be pitchforked by all those that saw the side of it you are seeing, plus, I don't deny he really screwed us over in the end (in a sort of childish reaction to the arguements)
[15:26:10] <cmn32480> first ther was light
[15:26:03] <nick> to get a little something from the people who were around then
[15:25:55] <nick> so it probably would be good, if we do a story on 'the beginning'
[15:25:46] <cmn32480> there is also plenty of doc on this
[15:25:45] <nick> but this is even more to my point, we all have our own ideas and opinions on the early days
[15:25:28] <nick> sure
[15:25:20] <cmn32480> that is what I remember
[15:25:16] <mrcoolbp> nick: well his actions after all the disagreement suggested that, but like I said I got a different perspective
[15:24:50] <nick> i could be wrong about that, but i was here, on the outside and that's what i got from it.
[15:24:43] <mrcoolbp> most of the dissagreement I remember was over how he was managing the staff, and the OS issue was never really resolved, which lead to key programmers dissapearing without a trace, NC all by himself basically (and pj?) which pissed NC off, discussions between NC and B detiriorated until it was no longer amicable
[15:24:26] <nick> there was no ROI to be had with the community as it stood, so he cut his losses on it
[15:23:48] <nick> i'm pretty sure part of that yielding was quitting
[15:23:18] <mrcoolbp> I do recall now that he was leaning towards cashing in on it but I believe he yeilded eventually on that point
[15:22:41] <nick> i'm mostly thinking of his very much 'for-profit' perspective on it, was much more of a commercial enterprise than a news and community forum
[15:21:57] <mrcoolbp> IMO
[15:21:47] <mrcoolbp> his issues came from his management
[15:21:37] <mrcoolbp> nick: he did disagree with the community in some cases, but he wasn't as bad as everyone remembers in that regard IMO
[15:21:21] <nick> so i don't really know how that kind of beginning can be summed up appropriately
[15:21:08] <cmn32480> and only saw what was posted publicly on IRC or the site
[15:21:04] <mrcoolbp> honestly I think a lot of it would be boring (most of the drama was over which OS to use on the servers)
[15:21:00] <nick> Barrabas had a very different vision for the site from pretty much anyone else, but at the start it was his
[15:20:25] <cmn32480> I was on the outside
[15:20:23] <mrcoolbp> I still have some of the old emails
[15:20:17] <mrcoolbp> I was right in the middle of it
[15:20:12] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: in some ways yes, others less so IMO
[15:20:04] <nick> i agree
[15:19:54] <cmn32480> agreed, but if we are going to tell the story of how the site came to be, the politics and disagreements are a part of that, at some points, a very large part
[15:19:50] <mrcoolbp> I think that can be appropriately summed up nick: we exist because of the will of a community
[15:19:35] <nick> beta might have been the final straw, but it's quite a subjective thing really
[15:19:11] <nick> my point is, if the question is why the site exists, everyone is going to have their own nuances and personal reasons
[15:19:01] <shekel> ^ 03Wiki: Archive
[15:19:00] <mrcoolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:18:42] <mrcoolbp> actually a lot of it is
[15:18:38] <mrcoolbp> I didn't necessarily mean the politics, I meant the more crowd-sourced ideas and work that lead to launch, some of which is still on the wiki
[15:18:05] <cmn32480> then there are the rest of us
[15:17:50] <nick> i don't know how valuable the internal politics of the beginning are, they certainly shouldn't be forgotten, but i don't know how relevant it is in the bigger picture
[15:17:24] <cmn32480> ealry editors were vetterd
[15:16:43] <nick> you can only polish a turd so much
[15:16:28] <mrcoolbp> they wanted to keep the quality of editing high = )
[15:16:04] <mrcoolbp> probably could of provided one but ended up being the wiki guru instead
[15:15:48] <mrcoolbp> I seem to remember them asking for a writing sample
[15:15:40] <mrcoolbp> yeah there was a bit of vetting for the early editors
[15:15:20] <nick> i only came on staff because janrinok asked, at the start it felt like a very closed shop
[15:14:42] <cmn32480> I was an early reader, but didn't coem on staff until 2015
[15:14:24] <nick> sure, i didn't come in until after it went live
[15:14:18] <cmn32480> I think for most of the current active staff that is the case.
[15:13:48] <mrcoolbp> If we were to write that story, we should ping some of the long lost members to see if they would contribute? I don't know the whole story myself, by the time I was accepted into the ranks, the site was about to go live. I have a few stories, sure, but the genesis piece is missing a bunch from my perspective
[15:13:17] <cmn32480> If we tell the story.. put it all out there, complete with links to the old transcripts
[15:09:50] <nick> it's not a clean cut 'slashdot fucked up, some people in the community decided to take a non-commercial approach using old slashcode'
[15:09:05] <nick> that is my point
[15:08:39] <mrcoolbp> ignoring Barrabas's input is a bastardazation of the story, not defending him but he had a lot to do with it
[15:07:30] <nick> 'what lead to the creation' could be seen as a complex issue, unless we'd ignore the original 'owner' or whatever
[14:11:55] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[14:04:06] <Bytram> I have cataloged some milestones, but I missed the very initial stages of the site.
[14:02:57] <Bytram> to wit: "Can we have a separate story... ...on what led up to the creation of SN in the first place?"
[14:02:07] <shekel> ^ 03SN comment by [02unitron (70)] (02Score:2)
[14:02:06] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[14:02:04] <Bytram> and saw this comment:
[14:02:03] <shekel> ^ 03SN article: SoylentNews is One Year Old! 04(92 comments)
[14:02:00] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[14:01:53] <Bytram> btw, I was looking back at our first year anniversary story:
[14:01:19] <Bytram> as for the NFL story, I tried merging 'em at first, but ended up with a MUCH too long story; decided to run separately, instead.
[14:00:48] <Bender> karma - takyon: 19
[14:00:48] <Bytram> takyon++ thanks for updating moxie story
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[10:03:51] <takyon> moxie marlinspike story
[10:03:41] <takyon> I added the note to the story, but considering what was already changed in the story, what else could be wrong?
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[09:54:16] <takyon> i will put note on moxie story
[09:53:56] <takyon> and there are two NFL stories that should be merged
[09:53:40] <takyon> there are tweets from December 2015, which goes against what the story says
[09:53:24] <takyon> Moxie Marlinspike story has a problem
[04:01:41] * Bytram waits for PM to load 41 tabs
[04:01:07] * Bytram smiles
[04:00:56] <Bytram> btw, that lappy is still going strong!
[04:00:43] <Bytram> will do
[04:00:38] <cmn32480> have fun
[04:00:32] <Bytram> time to try it out
[04:00:27] <Bytram> just D/L latest pale moon
[04:00:22] <Bytram> yeah, I will
[04:00:19] <cmn32480> night
[04:00:17] <Bytram> ;)
[04:00:15] <cmn32480> well... get some rest
[04:00:13] <Bytram> meaow?
[04:00:09] <cmn32480> woof
[04:00:03] <Bytram> tmrrw I work the late shift someting like 1pm-9;15pm
[03:59:41] <Bytram> only 4hrs on sat
[03:59:32] <Bytram> oh, ya, 9 and 10
[03:59:31] <cmn32480> yick
[03:59:26] <cmn32480> so 10 days in a row
[03:59:26] <Bytram> days 8 and 9
[03:59:15] <Bytram> nope, work fri and sat
[03:59:04] <cmn32480> I hope youa re off tomorrow
[03:59:00] <cmn32480> you too my friend
[03:58:13] <Bytram> cmn32480: sleep well, my friend....sweet dreams!
[03:57:51] * exec dexterously tosses a blagoblag of beer to bytram
[03:57:49] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[03:57:15] <cmn32480> time for bed
[03:57:11] <cmn32480> I'm done for the night
[03:08:44] <Bytram> nah, I knew it had its warts, but I keep finding NEW ones. :P
[03:08:06] <cmn32480> just figured that out?
[03:07:58] <Bytram> UI is less than entirely user-friendly
[03:07:30] <Bytram> is fine
[03:07:28] <cmn32480> precisely
[03:07:23] <Bytram> no-see-um, eh?
[03:07:03] <cmn32480> until saved, YOU are the only one that sees the story in the list at that point in time
[03:06:08] <cmn32480> it is NOT in the list until saved
[03:05:58] <Bytram> I'd not saved it, but it IS in the list
[03:05:47] <Bytram> it's story 2 of the two merged stories.
[03:05:37] <Bytram> I'm seeing it in the 'story admin' sidebox
[03:05:09] <cmn32480> and there still isn't... even after a refresh
[03:05:02] <cmn32480> no
[03:04:42] <Bytram> nope, I already had one up for 1849
[03:04:15] <cmn32480> saved quantum computeing at 1846
[03:01:29] <Bytram> that is MUCH better than amateur-lific
[03:01:27] <cmn32480> I don't know why
[03:01:19] <cmn32480> I read prolific as profalactic
[03:01:04] <Bytram> and, he's prolific
[03:01:00] <Bytram> you got THAT right!
[03:00:03] <cmn32480> he IS pretty talented
[02:59:49] <Bytram> he figured out how to submit a story while sleeping? Yowza!
[02:59:09] <cmn32480> hey! we got a submission from zz_janrinok
[02:54:54] <cmn32480> yep
[02:54:47] <Bytram> yea, I'm using the 'orignial Submission 1' and 'org sub 2' links to start off and then going from there
[02:54:13] <cmn32480> BUT you ahve to accept the individual subs from the merge to do it
[02:54:00] <cmn32480> you can still un-merge them
[02:53:44] * Bytram is rethinkning the wisdom of merging two stories
[02:53:37] <cmn32480> boat I think you may be on to something
[02:53:20] <Bytram> kneether gnor
[02:53:18] <cmn32480> nah.. that'll cause a row
[02:52:59] <Bytram> ether oar?
[02:52:35] <cmn32480> I commend the to the ether....
[02:52:18] <Bytram> be my guest
[02:52:07] <cmn32480> bytram - think we ought to bin the forbes meta story?
[01:47:58] <shekel> ^ 03Horse photobombs prize-winning selfie; beast's owner seethes - CNET
[01:47:58] <Bytram> Mr Ed, redux? http://www.cnet.com
[01:42:56] <shekel> ^ 03GPS spelling mistake sends American the wrong way, and onto TV - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[01:42:54] <Bytram> whereto: http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, aware of this. currently pondering making them clickable for next release. will discuss it with folks when i'm not all stuffed up with dinner and ready for a nap.
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[01:22:27] <Bytram> time to do the dishes... biab
[01:22:12] <shekel> ^ 03Gut microbes trigger fat loss in response to cold temperatures | EurekAlert! Science News
[01:22:12] <Bytram> http://www.eurekalert.org
[01:22:05] <shekel> ^ 03Bears' seasonal hibernation linked to changes in gut microbes | EurekAlert! Science News
[01:22:05] <Bytram> http://www.eurekalert.org
[01:04:38] * Bytram hums rubber ducky, you're the one...
[01:02:46] <cmn32480> biab.. gotta go give the girl a bath
[01:02:36] <cmn32480> yeah
[01:02:03] <takyon> the dark ages
[01:02:01] <takyon> i know right
[01:01:38] <cmn32480> so this is what the site looks like logged out....
[01:00:37] <takyon> all these submission links are already available on the user pages of the submitters - they are just inconvenient to access
[01:00:03] <cmn32480> view access I mean
[00:59:56] <cmn32480> taking info out woudl be a problem, and we SHOULD give them access to the queue.
[00:59:40] <cmn32480> and I agree w/ takyon
[00:59:35] <cmn32480> I'm tired
[00:56:12] <Bytram> how ya be?
[00:56:05] <cmn32480> heya bytram !!
[00:55:51] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[00:45:07] <Bytram> of late, we have been placing any editorial additions 'below the line' (i.e. following the <hr> tag)
[00:34:29] <Bytram> it was intended to be a feature so that the story could be issued in a neutral way, and any editorializing could be added *separately*
[00:33:33] <takyon> i've tried to do that. I'd love to (since it would allow me to comment and then go to sleep), but I understand how that would be an abuse on our part
[00:32:53] <Bytram> which reminds me, there was a time when editors were able to post comments to a story before it went live. Or so I recall. I have been unable to do that for the longest while.
[00:31:53] <takyon> mostly that's for time's sake, so I don't have to rush around doing research
[00:31:30] <takyon> if anybody's guilty of pre-composing, it's moi. I'm sure that I composed a lengthy comment for an unreleased story at least twice
[00:30:57] <takyon> I'm not sure "issues with people seeing the posting time, pre-composing 'slanted' replies, and racing to first-post it and garner mind-share" is a valid or pressing scenario that needs to be addressed by removing info from pending stories
[00:29:58] <Bytram> on second thought, what if we removed the scheduled posting date/time, AND linkify the story title?
[00:28:56] <Bytram> understood.
[00:28:53] <takyon> I have to submit 2 more stories
[00:28:48] <takyon> well w/e, i've laid the case out there
[00:28:32] <takyon> we'll see what users think about a feature regression rather than enhancement O_O
[00:27:59] <Bytram> well, you saw what I wrote earlier... I'd vote to remove the pending story list altogether.
[00:27:29] <takyon> yes
[00:27:27] <takyon> this is even possible with mergers, because merges create a new submission
[00:27:24] <Bytram> and not to the edited story that is pending to go out?
[00:27:01] <takyon> i'm saying we link pending stories to original submissions
[00:26:21] <Bytram> afk brb
[00:25:19] <Bytram> when did we start publishing pending stories? That is news to me!
[00:24:40] <takyon> k
[00:24:36] <Bytram> okay... give me a minute to load a new browser and load the page.
[00:24:25] <takyon> this is the combined story list/submissions list for normal or not logged in users
[00:24:06] <takyon> which is what the Anonymous Coward was complaining about on that journal
[00:23:54] <takyon> to see what normal users get to see
[00:23:47] <takyon> make sure to view it while logged out
[00:23:45] <Bytram> clicky
[00:23:35] <shekel> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:23:34] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[00:23:23] <Bytram> takyon: link for that page?
[00:22:23] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[00:21:56] <takyon> TheMightyBuzzard... inviting you to see my beautiful screenshot
[00:16:47] <Bytram> k
[00:16:43] <takyon> i'm making it in screenshot form
[00:15:08] <Bytram> ok, do bear in mind I've worked 7 days straight, so I may be missing something obvious. :/
[00:14:38] <takyon> not what im talking about
[00:14:05] <Bytram> but we post the submissions list regularly when the nag screen pops up (less than 20 stories in the sub queue)
[00:13:40] <takyon> you[re killing me bytram
[00:13:35] <Bytram> you may need to remember the URL
[00:13:32] <takyon> in some cases its impossible/improbable because of a merged story
[00:13:26] <Bytram> submissions list is always visible.
[00:13:20] <takyon> *technically possible
[00:13:11] <takyon> WHICH IS POSSIBLE, because you can see it on user pages
[00:13:00] <takyon> we're not talking about making the story visible, just the submissions
[00:12:42] <takyon> we're talking about Submission links. these are visible when they are submissions, but then are gone when they become stories
[00:12:25] <Bytram> takyon: t a k y o n
[00:12:14] <takyon> b y t r a m
[00:12:05] <Bytram> even when I sense they are somewhat time-sensitive or of high interest.
[00:12:03] <takyon> "I'm not so sure we want to make the pending story queue visible."
[00:11:57] <takyon> bytram
[00:11:41] <Bytram> I know I fall prey to the temptation to leave stories where they are.
[00:11:32] <Bytram> what seems to me to be really needed is a better sense of what stories may need to be moved up in the story queue.
[00:11:03] <Bytram> otoh
[00:11:00] <Bytram> --
[00:10:58] <Bytram> so, my vote is to keep the story queue reserved for editors and other staff.
[00:10:27] <Bytram> you can kinda guess when a new story is due out, but we randomize things a bit so it is NOT *always* exactly 90 minutes apart (or 100 minutes, or whatever)
[00:09:33] <Bytram> occasionally are rewarded with seeing a newly-posted story.
[00:09:15] <Bytram> hitting refresh on the main page to see if there is a new story falls into that category.
[00:08:53] <Bytram> but, sometimes you do.
[00:08:47] <Bytram> there is a well-known effect that happens when you try to do something and DO NOT always succeed.
[00:08:17] <Bytram> (though speeeled better!)
[00:08:07] <Bytram> part of what we have working for us is humannature.
[00:07:53] <Bytram> also,
[00:07:49] <Bytram> for one, there is are possible issues with people seeing the posting time, pre-composing 'slanted' replies, and racing to first-post it and garner mind-share.
[00:07:39] <Bytram> I'm not so sure we want to make the pending story queue visible.
[00:06:40] <Bytram> hi everyone!
[00:03:27] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram