#editorial | Logs for 2015-10-13
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[23:51:24] <nick> not community generated submissions, being generous
[23:51:08] <nick> as you seem to have noted, and i said a bit ago, im sure i spotted some similar ones the other day
[23:50:35] <nick> at least to get targeted press releases like that
[23:50:28] <takyon> but maybe we need to apply for that
[23:50:27] <nick> i think we are above the radar now
[23:50:23] <takyon> what I'm really waiting for is the day that SoylentNews appears in Google News
[23:50:03] <takyon> yeah I've noticed that when googling soylent headlines recently
[23:49:17] <nick> they got what they wanted anyway, the submission appears in google for me when searching the headline
[23:48:51] <nick> thanks
[23:47:43] <takyon> I'll execute it myself
[23:47:38] <takyon> fair enough
[23:45:30] <nick> i vote to lose the story on that
[23:44:27] <takyon> good research
[23:44:17] <nick> thats the name the submitter used
[23:44:04] <takyon> why the reddit user link
[23:42:35] <nick> vpn services depending on location etc
[23:42:06] <BotRoss> ^ 03overview for Zia06
[23:42:05] <nick> https://www.reddit.com
[23:41:59] <takyon> or likely
[23:41:51] <takyon> wow I didn't think that was possible
[23:41:36] <nick> i've had the same ipid as other people too
[23:41:03] <nick> but it's still worth noting in the general context i think
[23:40:55] <nick> sure, my ipid changes all the time
[23:40:27] <takyon> and my IPID just changed
[23:40:23] <takyon> first time anon submitters aren't too uncommon
[23:40:03] <nick> the ipid from the stealthchat sub has no other activity on the site
[23:39:39] <takyon> themightybuzzard
[23:39:23] <nick> they should be somewhere
[23:39:15] <nick> not sure about that
[23:39:10] <nick> ive not been here that much, and i noticed a couple recently
[23:39:09] <takyon> since they still technically exist when deleted
[23:38:41] <takyon> is there a list of all submissions or all deleted subs?
[23:38:16] <nick> ive seen some stories go out that i would not have gone with, but this is all subjective
[23:38:16] <takyon> I doubt that we get too much real market spam from companies themselves, but I have encountered it. I think there was something like it a couple of days ago
[23:37:49] <takyon> lately we have tended to publish such stories... as far as I've seen
[23:37:32] <nick> im looking into stealthchat now out of curiosity
[23:37:12] <nick> that story seemed like a great example
[23:37:03] <nick> i've been dealing a lot more with marketing and pr elements recently, thought it needed a discussion in general
[23:37:02] <takyon> the article is also from September 3
[23:36:14] <takyon> too bad jan isn't around
[23:36:01] <takyon> I can see your point
[23:35:27] <nick> my concern is, using this as a standard, there's no reason not to print every press release that mentions security if it comes our way
[23:35:23] <takyon> that's what these apps need to do... handle end-to-end encryption (mandating it) in the way email providers don't for instance
[23:34:32] <takyon> it mentions encrypted VOIP but not if anything else is encrypted
[23:33:44] <takyon> well the comparison that TFA is making is basically to Skype and Snapchat
[23:31:23] <nick> im also talking about tfa
[23:28:35] <takyon> that would require thought and effort on the part of the submitter
[23:27:02] <nick> i get the bait, but there's no hook if you know what i mean - tfa makes no effort to say why it's different from any other 'privacy focused' communication app
[23:25:41] <takyon> the summary doesn't say if it's free
[23:25:34] <takyon> it's the kind of thing that users probably want to know about
[23:24:23] <takyon> well
[23:19:28] <nick> it just stood out to me as reprinting what appears to be a reprinted press release with nothing of note
[23:17:24] <nick> opinions on: is the 'stealthchat' story actually worth putting out there? what is news/interesting about it?
[23:17:11] <takyon> hi
[23:11:14] <nick> ahoy
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[21:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, it doesn't save a note in the db on why it was rejected anyway. it just sends it to the user.
[21:00:20] <cmn32480> and didn't see it
[21:00:08] <cmn32480> I'm surprised. I haven't been in the sub queue all day
[20:59:51] <takyon> not trying to force the issue, just sayin
[20:59:39] <takyon> practically any $100 billion buyout is a worthwhile story, and a lot of us drink beer and/or like to complain about beer
[20:55:38] * cmn32480 feeling grumpy
[20:51:53] <cmn32480> oh wait... nobody made that functionality live yet.(TMB)
[20:51:36] <cmn32480> any note on why it got rejected?
[20:46:23] <takyon> wow someone rejected the sabmiller buyout story
[20:30:32] <takyon> more like zz_janrinok
[20:30:21] <takyon> janrinok: yup I immediately find problems with my subs. I should just delete them
[20:30:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> close shave there
[20:29:31] <takyon> haha, I updated the razor story 2 seconds after it hit the main page
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[19:31:11] <cmn32480> night
[19:31:01] <janrinok> bye
[19:30:59] <janrinok> will do
[19:30:54] <cmn32480> give S my best
[19:30:50] <cmn32480> Thanks :-)
[19:30:36] <janrinok> I hope so, but if not, have a good time (all 3 of you :))
[19:30:05] <cmn32480> you have a fine sleep, and I'm sure we'll talk in the mornign before I disappear for a few days
[19:29:49] <cmn32480> thanks janrinok
[19:29:35] <janrinok> cmn32480: time for me to go - have a safe drive home, give my best to J, and enjoy your evening
[18:55:46] <cmn32480> only takes 1 to get in an accident and screw over thousands of people
[18:54:53] <janrinok> that's a lot of stupid people to make the journey 3x longer
[18:54:19] <cmn32480> I actually have no idea why. but it could have been far worse
[18:54:02] <cmn32480> stupid people is my guess
[18:51:17] <janrinok> any particular reason for the extra delay
[18:48:39] <cmn32480> took an hour to get here this morning
[18:48:32] <cmn32480> providing there isn't traffic like ;ast night adn this morning
[18:46:51] <janrinok> not too long then, but enough to put it all behind you before you get home
[18:45:57] <cmn32480> generally 20 min
[18:45:53] <cmn32480> work?
[18:45:43] <janrinok> how long is the commute?
[18:45:21] <cmn32480> glad to hear it :-)
[18:44:13] <janrinok> I was waiting for the second count, but 'ish' suffices
[18:44:02] <cmn32480> but who's counting?
[18:43:57] <cmn32480> ish
[18:43:53] <cmn32480> and 17 minutes
[18:43:47] <cmn32480> 2 hours
[18:41:43] <janrinok> today will be nothing more than a cruel memory
[18:40:56] <cmn32480> maybe by the long weekend I can forget some of the stupid and my IQ will start climbing agian
[18:40:17] <janrinok> you've always got the weekend to look forward to
[18:34:38] <cmn32480> ummmmm yeah
[18:33:45] <janrinok> but surely you feel much more enlightened now, you have purpose behind your toil, a reason to strive onwards despite adversities?
[18:32:54] <cmn32480> pretty much
[18:32:21] <janrinok> lol - it is always good when you stop
[18:32:09] <cmn32480> THUNK THUNK THUNK was the sound of my head beationg on the table
[18:31:41] <janrinok> cmn32480: ^
[18:31:22] <janrinok> I bet you enjoyed that - NOT
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[16:23:06] * nick hat tip
[16:23:04] <cmn32480> get some rest nick.
[16:23:03] <nick> take it easy
[16:22:39] <cmn32480> I'll be back about 90 min
[16:21:01] <cmn32480> gettitng real work done
[16:20:56] <cmn32480> I'd rather be here at my desk
[16:20:51] <cmn32480> yeah I agree...
[16:20:46] <nick> :(
[16:20:33] <cmn32480> ahh crap... I ahve a meeting in 10.
[16:20:15] <cmn32480> interesting
[16:19:09] <nick> article is paywall but the point: "Kmart, Office Depot, Safeway and other retailers roll out gift cards that give recipients shares in top companies"
[16:18:32] <BotRoss> ^ 03Are You Ready to Buy Stocks at Your Grocery Store? - WSJ
[16:18:31] <nick> http://www.wsj.com
[16:14:20] <nick> to regular jerk-offs it's: "things are cheaper, you're better off"
[16:13:53] <nick> ie to people who matter it's a: "it's ok, interest rates wont rise for a while yet"
[16:13:04] <nick> and anyone with any sense knows real inflation is quite high, and certainly not in deflation territory, so the change in terminology make sense to people who matter
[16:12:56] <cmn32480> i.e - people are too stupid to understand it, or just don't care.
[16:12:19] <nick> we can't call things what they are anymore, especially when they're not what they are, like inflation rates - inflation has turned negative, it's not called deflation anymore because that would cause irrational loss of confidence
[16:10:31] <nick> i think the term we're going to be using for the coming months is the 'global slowdown' followed by something less pleasant
[16:09:52] <cmn32480> which will require WWIII to get out of.... and the process starts again
[16:09:34] <cmn32480> world wide at this point
[16:09:30] <cmn32480> and it puts a depression into play
[16:09:04] <nick> but that is like the UK housing market, if you let it fail, the whole thing comes crashing down, so it cant be allowed to happen
[16:08:08] <cmn32480> instead of letting those massive companies fail (which is what really should have happened) they got propped up and made bigger
[16:07:42] <cmn32480> yup
[16:07:23] <nick> which is how the 'financial crisis' was treated
[16:06:51] <nick> so it cant be the fault of the company
[16:06:44] <nick> because if they were incompetent, they'd have never made the billions in the first place
[16:06:30] <nick> i think we're approaching a new mindset with that, if a 'TBTF' in in trouble, it's a failure of us (the market/consumer and government overreach) not the company itself
[16:04:11] <cmn32480> like in "Demolition Man" where all the reasaturants are Taco Bell
[16:03:50] <cmn32480> the outright monopolization and consolidation of everythgin
[16:03:07] <cmn32480> "too Big to Fail" is now the norm instead of the oddball
[16:02:51] <cmn32480> ph yes
[16:01:42] <nick> the mergers and acquisitions are already happening. the multinationals are consolidating to maintain their market positions for when the new framework comes into force in the next couple of years
[16:00:27] <nick> where the multinationals we know today are half or less of the scale of what we will see in the future
[15:59:49] <nick> i really think we have started a new phase of business development
[15:58:24] <cmn32480> i woudl agree., sadly
[15:57:03] <nick> well, i think the people repeating history were quite happy with the results from the previous attempts
[15:56:30] <cmn32480> something about "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
[15:53:48] <cmn32480> well... certainly not. Learingin from history is a stupid idea
[15:53:44] <nick> i doubt it's much different there, but i dont think anyone in the UK knows shit about TTIP
[15:52:36] <nick> because that would cloud the debate about our economic future
[15:52:26] <nick> but such a thing has never been tried before, and even if it had, we couldn't talk about the negative consequences of such actions
[15:51:56] <nick> i mean it's not like you could look at say something like a North American Free Trade Agreement and see how these trade deals work for the average person
[15:50:59] <cmn32480> Bend Over Here It Comes Again
[15:50:53] <nick> i figure that all that they're arguing over, if they are at all.
[15:50:40] <nick> as there is some resentment from the populations of continental europe over it, and the UK is a big supporter of it
[15:50:31] <cmn32480> to me, it all means BOHICA
[15:50:14] <nick> to me, thats what it appears these 'negotiations' are about, if anything substantial at all
[15:49:43] <nick> if we stay in the EU, we must have TTIP, if we dont stay in the EU we'll have TTIP anyway.
[15:49:19] <nick> i'm pretty sure the whole 'David Camerons Negotiations with the EU' are actually a UK is in TTIP with or without the rest of the EU
[15:48:51] <nick> eurozone is a little different, but the complexities of the EU and associated institutions are not something i can be bothered to think about :P
[15:48:13] <cmn32480> yeah.. I know.. and I think that treaty is about the worst deal possible for the rest of us
[15:47:50] <nick> coming to a TPP/TTIP near you :)
[15:47:21] <cmn32480> ahhh the down side of the Eurozone
[15:47:03] <nick> but as it's a common market, and they're officially hired in poland, it's legit
[15:46:52] <nick> and then put them on a bus to the UK, so they could then do deliveries
[15:46:29] <nick> they hired the drivers in poland, where minimum wage is 1eur/hr
[15:46:10] <nick> i was aware of a courier firm literally busing the cheap labour in
[15:45:45] <nick> yeah
[15:45:40] <cmn32480> we seem to be too far from anywhere to make that profitable... except for Mexicans
[15:45:29] <nick> the plumbers are polish, cheapest again
[15:45:17] <nick> so you get a saudi investor building in the UK, but the best price for electrician just happens to be an italian firm
[15:45:05] <cmn32480> gotcha
[15:44:44] <nick> here it's foreign (saudi/uae/qatar/china/russia) clients, using external contractors
[15:44:01] <nick> so the supervisors and managers etc are more local
[15:43:45] <cmn32480> ^^ Correct
[15:43:30] <nick> im figuring it's a little different, because the primary contractors in the US, i'd assume, are still american based for the most part
[15:43:29] <cmn32480> I've been on a lot of job sites, adn while there is a high percentage of foreign labor, it ahsn't felt like we are the only english speakers
[15:43:04] <cmn32480> I don't know that it si quite that bad here yet.
[15:42:43] <nick> where you're the token native
[15:42:35] <nick> but only in the last couple of years has it been quite so extreme
[15:42:18] <nick> there's been a mix for a while
[15:41:57] <cmn32480> depending on what city youa re in
[15:41:51] <cmn32480> but it can vary some
[15:41:45] <cmn32480> mostly Mexicans
[15:41:21] <nick> i dont know how varied it is over there, i assume it's mostly mexicans, but here it can be a UN of contractors
[15:40:29] <nick> i really dont care where people are from, but when you have to use sign language to communicate with the primary electrical contractor, things are wrong.
[15:40:15] <cmn32480> that si the norm here
[15:39:56] <nick> few of the most recent projects ive completed, i've been the only person working on-site who can speak english fluently
[15:38:58] <cmn32480> ok I see what you are saying
[15:38:56] <nick> earn $2000 a month, house you want to buy goes up in value by $1500 a month
[15:38:34] <nick> ontop of the pricing movements of the market
[15:38:25] <nick> but will have added $150k to the value of the house
[15:38:20] <nick> i mean that my friend could spend half a year on a project, renovating a regular family home, will make $25k at best
[15:37:45] <nick> but employers can literally bus people in from eastern europe, if you dont want to join the race to the bottom
[15:37:26] <cmn32480> pricing out on purpose? or that si just what your overhead is?
[15:36:16] <nick> a good friend of mine, and myself, when working on peoples homes, we work to price ourselves out of the market
[15:35:47] <nick> it's a shame the henry ford concept of people being able to buy what they build, has been so lost now
[15:35:08] <cmn32480> so in general, the rich get richer, and the rest of us get our asses handed to us
[15:34:38] <nick> customers who complain about how expensive it costs to get work done, then brag about the 1000% RoI from that 'ludicrous expense'
[15:33:44] <nick> buy for 400k, spend 100k, complain about the 5k you spent on skilled labour, make 150k.
[15:33:19] <nick> yup
[15:33:09] <cmn32480> then selling
[15:32:52] <nick> they get the joys of decorating a whole house a couple times a year, spending days agonising over the light fittings and curtains
[15:32:25] <cmn32480> wow
[15:31:59] <nick> so the husband buys them a house as a project, so they can be a property developer
[15:31:43] <nick> i couldnt believe it, until i saw it so many times, there are fucking legions of middle-class, middle-aged women with apparently nothing to do in this country
[15:31:41] <cmn32480> thoguht it woudl take longer than it did
[15:31:34] <cmn32480> sorry... somebody came in with a question
[15:29:16] <cmn32480> brb
[15:29:10] <cmn32480> but I know a lot of people who do the same thign
[15:29:00] <cmn32480> that's scary
[15:28:52] <nick> and when when you do get the downturns, and things go quite wrong, even when warned about it, "oh they'll pick up again, they always do"
[15:27:57] <nick> i have older members of the family that treat their shares in companies as savings accounts, because they're worth more than they were back in 89, theres no reason to sell them, might as well keep them invested
[15:26:57] <nick> people feel richer on paper, or the people that got richer in the last 20 years, get that as a substitute
[15:26:32] <nick> whats going on in the 'real' economy is irrelevant, aslong as we have financial instruments and mechanisms to keep those elements moving
[15:26:29] <cmn32480> same as here, thought perhaps more so in your case
[15:26:10] <nick> since then our whole economic culture has been built on property prices forever increasing, and the stock market reaching new highs
[15:25:43] <nick> coupled with deregulation and privatisation, encouraging people to invest in stocks and shares
[15:25:20] <nick> in the 80's, people got to buy their houses cheap, to stop them being a 'drain on the state' and encourage entrepreneurial spirit
[15:24:40] <nick> and then preventing the local governments from using the money made, to build more housing
[15:24:28] <nick> well, it goes back to the 80's policy, of selling the social housing
[15:24:12] <cmn32480> sounds quite nice if you were born 30 years previous and had the $$ to make it happen
[15:23:38] <nick> of those who won in the 90's and 80's can leverage their home into a rental property, where they can charge a full months wages in rent, making sure the people renting could never afford to buy
[15:23:00] <nick> and then there's the buy-to-let element
[15:22:49] <nick> because if they didnt, house prices would go down
[15:22:43] <nick> where the gov goes? "cant afford a property? we'll lend you an extra 20% interest free so you can"
[15:22:21] <cmn32480> thankfully ours didn't do that
[15:22:18] <nick> hence 'help to buy' and such nonsense
[15:22:14] <cmn32480> hehe
[15:22:01] <nick> so the government had to go into action to bring them back up
[15:21:52] <nick> house prices dropping by 20%
[15:21:46] <nick> oh, it did pop, but that was the worst thing in the world
[15:21:36] <nick> "Prices in the capital rose by 25.8% between the second quarter of 2013 and the same period this year, Nationwide said, pushing the average to £400,404, the first time it has topped £400,000 and 30% higher than the peak reached in 2007."
[15:21:21] <cmn32480> so the housing bubble just hans't popped yetfor youg uys
[15:21:04] <cmn32480> ok
[15:20:30] <nick> thats the entire british economy
[15:20:26] <nick> but between that, financial services and military exports
[15:20:12] <cmn32480> golly
[15:20:04] <nick> since 1993, house prices in the UK (average) has gone up by 400%
[15:20:03] <cmn32480> or whatever percentage the bank doens't own
[15:19:53] <cmn32480> when you buy it, you own it.
[15:19:38] <cmn32480> yes sir
[15:19:34] <cmn32480> depending on the property owner, it can be for a term of days to many years
[15:19:27] <nick> a typical rental agreement
[15:19:21] <nick> yeah
[15:18:51] <cmn32480> generally monthly
[15:18:46] <cmn32480> see here the lease is actual rent paid to the land/building owner
[15:18:32] <cmn32480> ok
[15:18:23] <nick> because property prices go up so much, constantly
[15:18:15] <nick> in theory yes, in reality no
[15:17:56] <cmn32480> so your property goes down in value each year closer to the end fo the lease.
[15:17:34] <nick> aye
[15:17:33] <nick> so live there for 10 years, sell the 70 years remaining
[15:17:25] <cmn32480> for the remainder of the term
[15:17:17] <nick> well, you can sell the lease
[15:17:16] <cmn32480> wow
[15:17:11] <nick> yup
[15:17:08] <nick> but you may well be responsible for all the property maintenance etc
[15:17:00] <cmn32480> but you can't sell it, becasue you don't "own" it
[15:16:40] <nick> the threat of eviction isnt there, is my understanding
[15:16:32] <cmn32480> or at least that is what it sounds like
[15:16:00] <cmn32480> so you are renting it, with a massive upfront payment
[15:14:41] <nick> you buy it, the duke of westminster still owns it
[15:14:09] <nick> is how most commercial property is sold in this country, i believe
[15:13:45] <nick> thats the possibility
[15:13:34] <cmn32480> adn when the lease runs out? it goes abck to the guy who owns the property?
[15:13:10] <nick> it was leasehold not freehold, so you 'buy' it for 80 years
[15:13:04] <cmn32480> I think the term might mean somethign different for yhou than me
[15:12:54] <cmn32480> lease?
[15:12:40] <cmn32480> that'd get you a decent 3 bedroom townhouse near me
[15:12:21] <nick> on a long term lease
[15:12:16] <nick> it was a single room apartment, above an industrial lock-up/workshop
[15:11:58] <nick> i looked a while ago, in my part of suburbia, the cheapest property was $250,000
[15:11:27] <cmn32480> this si why I live in suburbia
[15:11:19] <cmn32480> screw that
[15:11:09] <nick> in central london it wouldnt get that
[15:10:43] <nick> and it's not the cheapest frozen pizza available
[15:10:36] <nick> frozen*
[15:10:34] <cmn32480> and I bet that $700k gets you a 2 bedroom flat
[15:10:31] <nick> like this forzen pizza is about $2
[15:10:08] <nick> but what we do have, is cheaper processed and poor quality food
[15:09:48] <nick> not according to the statistics
[15:09:23] <cmn32480> y'all must make a lot more money than we do
[15:09:22] <nick> somehow ended up this 'cap' is only slightly below the average house price nationwide anyway
[15:09:07] <nick> interestingly, the governments idea for capping house prices to enable people to buy starter homes
[15:09:04] <cmn32480> for the moment
[15:08:41] <nick> and global trade being in dollars, blah blah blah
[15:08:35] <nick> used to going between eur/usd/gbp
[15:08:19] <nick> i convert most of the time
[15:08:14] <nick> dollars
[15:08:10] <cmn32480> is that dollars or pounds?
[15:07:55] <cmn32480> jebus
[15:07:37] <nick> that price cap being just under $700,000 in london, for 'starter homes'
[15:07:22] <nick> to beat a dead horse, the place where the government has now decided to help out with a plan for building affordable housing, with a price cap...
[15:06:50] <cmn32480> I can have the same issue in NY or Washington DC, if it makes you feel any less alone
[15:06:25] <nick> aye
[15:06:23] <cmn32480> in London I assume?
[15:06:03] <nick> but at the same time, it could take me 2 hours to drive 10 miles :p
[15:05:49] <cmn32480> so the distance is a relative thing
[15:05:44] <cmn32480> exactly
[15:05:38] <nick> 13hours i could be somewhere interesting in asia
[15:05:13] <nick> doesnt even take that long, flight times wise i can get to the caribbean in about 9hours
[15:04:16] <cmn32480> I can fly to Hawaii
[15:04:12] <cmn32480> think of it, in 13 hours, you can fly to the west coast of the US.
[15:03:48] * nick finds this whole 'great british bake off' show quite awful
[15:02:51] <cmn32480> relative to here, yes, it does!
[15:02:38] <nick> all seems so close when planning stuff like that doesnt it?
[15:01:33] <cmn32480> maybe some time in London. And if I can swing it, I'd like to get across the channel to N. France. Partiularly Normandy
[15:00:53] <cmn32480> that is basically it
[15:00:49] <cmn32480> yes
[15:00:44] <nick> ;)
[15:00:41] <nick> want to see the land of the unionised socialist scroungers of Britain
[14:58:43] <cmn32480> I'm not sure if she is more in love with the idea, or with actually wanting to go
[14:58:08] <cmn32480> that si where the wife wants to go :-)
[14:57:57] <nick> what specific reason?
[14:57:53] <nick> oh yeah?
[14:57:37] <cmn32480> our next big trip will be Scotland
[14:57:19] <nick> some of the places in spain were crazy, you'd have batches of bars and the like all together, all with various versions of british flags flying
[14:56:46] <cmn32480> though if I ever went back to Hawaii, I have a buddy that lives out there again
[14:56:08] <cmn32480> yeah.. makes no real sense
[14:55:51] <nick> but it's like british people going to spain, and spending all their time in english themed bars
[14:54:49] <cmn32480> basically that is the truth
[14:54:30] <nick> the tropical island getaway, but it's ok, we're still in the same country, McDonalds and NFL are never too far away.
[14:54:28] <cmn32480> I odn't feel the need to go back soon.
[14:54:12] <cmn32480> once on our honeymoon, once on a babymoon before we had the second kid
[14:53:51] <cmn32480> the wife and I ahve been to Hawaii a twice
[14:53:32] <cmn32480> for me, exotic would be more toward your neck of the woods
[14:53:27] <nick> i just find it amusing :)
[14:53:06] <cmn32480> for many, I woudl agree.
[14:52:52] <nick> i would have said somewhere more exotic, but from what i understand, hawaii is the go to for 'exotic locations' as far as americans are concerned...
[14:52:52] <cmn32480> sadly they are taking me to Charleston, South Carolina
[14:51:25] <cmn32480> I wish!
[14:51:17] <nick> hawaii this time?
[14:51:12] <cmn32480> everybody is healthy. wife and kids still remember who I am
[14:50:59] <cmn32480> all in all.. things aren't bad
[14:49:34] <cmn32480> <sigh>
[14:48:13] <cmn32480> I jsut scheduled yet another plane flight
[14:48:04] <cmn32480> :-)
[14:48:01] <cmn32480> coudl be worse answers
[14:47:56] <nick> how goes for you?
[14:47:49] <nick> right now, hoping this frozen pizza i have in the oven isnt terrible
[14:47:33] <nick> cmn32480 !!
[14:47:12] <cmn32480> how goes it good sir?
[14:47:05] <cmn32480> nick !!
[14:46:53] <janrinok> not bad here, weather much cooler and wetter
[14:40:09] <nick> how about for you?
[14:40:05] <nick> things are ok, hopefully finally having a meeting this evening thats kept being postponed
[14:39:03] <janrinok> how's things at your end?
[14:38:50] <janrinok> lol
[14:37:46] <nick> so i figured it probably wasn't magic, it was you working away
[14:37:27] <nick> wouldnt have said anything but another story mysteriously appeared in the queue when i signed-off on the pig story
[14:36:45] <janrinok> sorry, editing a few stories and took my eye of IRC
[14:36:31] <janrinok> nick!!
[14:33:42] <nick> hey janrinok
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[13:35:34] <cmn32480> sittong still in cold damp weather just makes you... well cold and damp!
[13:35:33] <janrinok> probably because I grumble too much ...
[13:35:20] <cmn32480> geee I can't imagine why....
[13:35:08] <janrinok> she sits outside in warm sunny weather, but gets no pleasure when it is cold and damp
[13:34:38] <cmn32480> ahhh
[13:34:31] <janrinok> no, but I keep checking on her every 15 minutes or so
[13:34:13] <cmn32480> I take it she is there keeping you company enjoying the fresh air?
[13:33:50] <janrinok> and it keeps me close to S, so she can relax too
[13:33:30] <cmn32480> good manual labor does the body good
[13:33:24] <cmn32480> agreed
[13:33:13] <janrinok> well, I have to exercise, so I might has well do something that I enjoy and gives me some benefits. A walk seems like a waste of an hour
[13:33:04] <cmn32480> musta been cooler ther than here today
[13:32:40] <janrinok> I moved some shrubs, weeded a large patch of flowerbed, and dug over another to prepare it for winter
[13:32:24] <cmn32480> not becasue you enjoy the garden?
[13:31:53] <cmn32480> digging holes for fresh plantings a different story
[13:31:51] <janrinok> I only work for exercise purposes in my garden
[13:31:37] <cmn32480> strolling around is one thing.
[13:31:32] <cmn32480> i suppose it depends what you are doing in the garden...
[13:31:06] <janrinok> I was out in the garden this morning - needed a fleece most of the time
[13:31:05] <cmn32480> thanks.. now the phone will ring for the first time today... great job
[13:30:49] <cmn32480> cool enough to be pleasant, but not need a jacket quite yet
[13:30:43] <janrinok> fighting with the people on the end of the phone again?
[13:30:37] <cmn32480> little overcast, but no rain
[13:30:27] <cmn32480> not too bad
[13:30:24] <janrinok> how's things
[13:30:20] <janrinok> just a thought...
[13:30:17] <cmn32480> we shoudl put that to him
[13:30:11] <cmn32480> interesting idea
[13:29:52] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 33
[13:29:51] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[13:29:50] <janrinok> maybe. I would copy the original into a new sub, add the changes, and resub it. Then delete the original. He has got ed privs so he could do that
[13:29:28] <cmn32480> no differnt than what you did earlier in the day
[13:29:03] <cmn32480> and as such, he then tosses the changes to the rest of us.
[13:28:43] <cmn32480> i think he subs, then rereads them, and decides he wants to make changes, btu can't amke changes without oputting it in the story queue
[13:28:24] <janrinok> that was a mammoth posting session you did there
[13:27:51] <janrinok> I note that takyon is giving us advice on how to edit and format his stories. :) I wonder why he doesn't submit them ready to go?
[13:27:45] <cmn32480> it's a smal smal world!
[13:27:40] <cmn32480> it's a small world after all
[13:27:31] <cmn32480> it's asmall world after all
[13:27:29] <cmn32480> it's asmall world after all
[13:27:20] <cmn32480> and oddly enough.. I just said good night to crutchy
[13:26:52] <janrinok> afternoon cmn32480 !!
[13:25:53] <cmn32480> \ !!
[13:25:52] <cmn32480> morning janrinok
[13:25:29] <janrinok> hi guys
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[03:05:52] <cmn32480> night takyon
[03:05:30] <takyon> night
[03:03:06] <cmn32480> i'm off to bed.
[02:59:54] <cmn32480> I'll dump some more tomrorow
[02:59:44] <cmn32480> the queue is out 24hours
[02:59:35] <cmn32480> ok
[02:58:01] <cmn32480> sweet dreams
[02:57:54] <Bytram|away> cioa for now.
[02:57:36] <Bytram|away> nod nod
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[02:57:27] <cmn32480> try to keep the lights on for me :-)
[02:57:20] <cmn32480> I'm sure we'll have fun
[02:57:20] <Bytram> =)
[02:57:10] <cmn32480> thanks Bytram
[02:57:03] <Bytram> cmn32480: if I don't see ya before then, best of luck and fun on your vacation!
[02:56:41] <takyon> man nobody is commenting on the Dell article
[02:56:39] <cmn32480> get some rest... tomorrow is another big day
[02:56:39] <Bytram> cmn32480: same to you!
[02:56:32] <takyon> night
[02:56:28] <cmn32480> night Bytram
[02:56:21] <Bytram> off to bed for me, now.
[02:56:17] <Bytram> okay,it's taking about all that Ive got left to stay awake.
[02:55:17] <Bytram> conversely, you could flatten a fat model, too, (cf: a steam roller) but I suspect the results would not be deemed desirable even though you'd be the thinnest person around.
[02:54:28] <cmn32480> have a cheeseburger
[02:53:50] <takyon> just make a few lard sandwiches
[02:53:41] <takyon> it's easier to fatten a model than thin one
[02:53:16] <Bytram> yeck. take a look at the graphic "THE TECHNOLOGY" and the arms on the 'model' - twigs for arms.
[02:52:50] <takyon> popular at the next Deepwater Horizon
[02:52:39] <cmn32480> at leat as a bikini
[02:52:30] <cmn32480> I'm thinking not gonna be a popular product
[02:52:20] <takyon> they need a better name than "Sponge"
[02:52:14] <takyon> collect em all
[02:52:01] <Bytram> I'm thinking, let's wear something that gathers all the pollutants around me and gathers them to my chest.
[02:51:46] <cmn32480> but it seems to expand
[02:51:30] <chromas> ^ 3D-printed eco-bikini cleans the ocean as you swim - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[02:51:29] <cmn32480> we can hope
[02:51:22] <takyon> does it biodegrade as it is worn
[02:50:33] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[02:47:21] <cmn32480> good catch
[02:47:18] <cmn32480> yes takyon
[02:47:09] <takyon> to ""Skarp" Laser Razor Suspended by Kickstarter"
[02:46:52] <Bytram> oh? crutchy has super wiki powers?
[02:46:50] <takyon> from "Laser Razor, Skarp Suspended by Kickstarter"
[02:46:47] <takyon> changing headline on razer story
[02:46:24] * chromas points at crutchy, who also bins the spam
[02:46:14] <chromas> you're welcome :)
[02:45:56] <Bytram> so, thanks!
[02:45:49] <Bytram> but it all looks calm on the surface.
[02:45:33] <Bytram> just wanted to say thanks for your work keeping out the trolls, and all. I don't think it has ever given me a problem, which usually means some pour duck has been, occasionally, spinning his legs just as fast as he possibly can!
[02:45:17] <chromas> I've got the time, if you need something done on nit
[02:45:09] * chromas sharpens
[02:44:58] <cmn32480> you use a pointy stick?
[02:44:41] <chromas> nah, I just poke it sometimes
[02:44:21] <Bytram> chromas: IIRC, you are our local wiki wrangler?
[02:43:20] <chromas> the dept-of-much-ado-about-nothing-much dept
[02:42:54] <Bytram> =)
[02:42:49] <Bytram> ha!
[02:42:43] <cmn32480> sold
[02:42:41] <cmn32480> I like the last one
[02:42:32] <Bytram> come again? does that mean you DO, or DO NOT like the last one
[02:42:09] <cmn32480> not I like the last one
[02:42:04] <Bytram> ?
[02:42:01] <Bytram> much-ado-about-nothing-much
[02:41:51] <Bytram> hmmm
[02:41:38] <Bytram> big-boys-making-a-big-deal-out-of-very-little-things
[02:40:40] <takyon> anything you could say about XPoint applies here. Except HP and SanDisk are involved
[02:40:28] <sedctl> <Bytram> cheaper-than-ram-and-faster-than-flash
[02:40:28] <Bytram> s/ /-/g
[02:40:25] <Bytram> cheaper than ram and faster than flash
[02:40:20] <sedctl> <Bytram> s-/-/g
[02:40:20] <Bytram> s/ /-/g
[02:40:14] <Bytram> s /-/g
[02:39:59] <Bytram> cheaper than ram and faster than flash
[02:39:08] <cmn32480> from the more-vaporware-from-the-big-boys dept.
[02:39:07] <Bytram> I forget.
[02:38:52] <Bytram> or is that a different streisand effect?
[02:38:41] <Bytram> memories... nothing more than memmmmories!
[02:38:17] <takyon> I'm opening it for nostalgia reasons
[02:37:51] <Bytram> cmn32480: /me clicks link
[02:37:24] <takyon> no it was actually cmn threatening you
[02:37:12] <BotRoss> ^ 03SN Submission by takyon: SanDisk and HP Announce Potential Competitor to XPoint Memory
[02:37:11] <Bytram> not yet... that was just a heads-up
[02:37:09] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[02:36:59] <cmn32480> sweet dreams bytram
[02:36:53] <Bytram> cmn32480: linky
[02:36:46] <Bytram> and, sadly, not much time for any other kind of baggery... I'll be heading to bed in the next 10-15 minutes
[02:36:40] <takyon> or memristors
[02:36:37] <takyon> maybe something related to vaporware
[02:36:30] <cmn32480> I'm fresh out of ideas
[02:36:22] <cmn32480> takyon - got a dept line idea for the HP/Sandisk story?
[02:35:59] <takyon> we should add SVG support to SoylentNews
[02:35:56] <cmn32480> at least not in the submission queue
[02:35:53] <Bytram> ISTR that HR clears all pending tags?
[02:35:49] <cmn32480> no time for deuchebaggery!
[02:35:37] <cmn32480> <delete>
[02:35:26] <takyon> interesting</p><hr></p>
[02:35:08] <Bytram> so, just have <p>stuff1 <em>important <b>stuff</em> that</b> could be interesting</p>
[02:34:24] <takyon> if that is what I think it is
[02:34:21] <takyon> balance_tags is terrible
[02:34:11] <Bytram> I've seen many outbursts about balance_tags being a piece of work.
[02:33:47] <Bytram> takyon: that would prolly get PJ in a tizzy, instead.
[02:33:37] <cmn32480> I'll click delete
[02:33:24] <takyon> I'll submit a story that contains 1 billion opening paragraph tags
[02:33:24] <Bytram> cmn32480: I knoew I could count on you!
[02:33:15] <Bytram> some OT, yes. some years they are more 'generous' than others. we'll see how this year goes.
[02:33:03] <cmn32480> I'll break stuff in your absence. I'm sure TMB will appreciate it
[02:32:39] <Bytram> =)
[02:32:32] <Bytram> so, if there's anything that needs breaking, better get your dibs in early!
[02:32:19] <cmn32480> I hope you are getting alittle overtime pay for it
[02:32:00] <cmn32480> hmmmmm I wonder why.....
[02:31:46] <sedctl> <Bytram> speaking of which, come turkey day, I'm gonaa be a lot less visible around here, prolly through mid/late january.
[02:31:46] <Bytram> s/min/mid/
[02:31:36] <Bytram> speaking of which, come turkey day, I'm gonaa be a lot less visible around here, prolly through min/late january.
[02:31:32] <takyon> doomsday prepping
[02:30:56] <Bytram> just prepping for the 'holiday season'
[02:30:37] <cmn32480> that is always fun
[02:30:33] <cmn32480> awesome!
[02:30:20] <Bytram> on a positive note, I have thurs & fri off... just in time for my bosses' bosses' boss to come in and make a huge floor move so that when I come back to work on sat, I'll know exactly where things used to be!
[02:30:12] <cmn32480> hehe
[02:29:48] <BotRoss> ^ 03Error
[02:29:47] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[02:29:46] <takyon> keep that up and you'll get a good character score, bytram
[02:28:27] <Bytram> wed is the 6th day in a row.
[02:28:08] <sedctl> <Bytram> and wed is 1215-2115
[02:28:07] <Bytram> s/sat/wed/
[02:28:03] <cmn32480> only
[02:28:01] <Bytram> and sat is 1215-2115
[02:27:47] <Bytram> tomorrow is only 0945-1800
[02:27:37] <cmn32480> I hope youa re getting overtime
[02:27:32] <cmn32480> geesh
[02:27:27] <Bytram> thanks; it's okay... I worked 0900-2015 on sunday.
[02:27:19] <cmn32480> heya takyon
[02:27:19] <takyon> yes it is
[02:26:59] <Bytram> takyon: g'day!
[02:26:59] <cmn32480> that is a helluva day bytram
[02:26:46] <cmn32480> triple yick
[02:26:45] <takyon> i'm back
[02:26:45] <Bytram> 0945-2130
[02:26:39] <Bytram> we had a call-out so i was asked to stay late.
[02:26:25] <cmn32480> double yick
[02:26:19] <Bytram> *got
[02:26:18] <cmn32480> yick
[02:26:11] * Bytram just go home from work 1/2 hr ago.
[02:25:53] <Bytram> yo!
[02:25:49] <cmn32480> heya bytram !!
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[02:18:32] <cmn32480|away> that soudl put me over 600 stories posted
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[00:24:43] <takyon> two previous Soylent stories which are relevant
[00:24:32] <takyon> I added some notes to the data retention in Australia story I just subbed
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