#editorial | Logs for 2015-10-01
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[23:08:44] <takyon> nope, looks like they did
[23:08:27] <Schwifty> ^ 03Microsoft, Google agree to dismiss all pending patent infringement lawsuits - MarketWatch
[23:08:26] <takyon> http://www.marketwatch.com
[23:08:25] <takyon> surprisd nobody got to this one
[22:54:26] <nick> brutal
[22:52:40] <takyon> i'm going to sub some stories while my finger bleeds
[22:52:28] <takyon> check in
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[21:06:11] <cmn32480> take it easy!
[21:05:31] <nick> lol
[21:05:25] <cmn32480> :-)
[21:05:23] <cmn32480> get unpacked, would you? this place is a pig sty!
[21:05:14] <cmn32480> gonna try
[21:05:10] <nick> take care, enjoy your evening :)
[21:04:48] <cmn32480> little luck, I'll catch you later
[21:04:38] <cmn32480> i am shutting down for the evening so I cna head home
[21:03:32] <cmn32480> but the wife and kids still love me, so it coudl be worse
[21:03:20] <cmn32480> been doing OK. spending too much time on the road, as per usual
[21:02:35] <nick> my mum has been well behaved during here visit so im not complaining
[21:01:56] <nick> how have you been keeping?
[21:01:25] <nick> relocation wasnt too bad, i dont have much stuff
[21:01:12] <nick> new projects starting next week
[21:01:11] <cmn32480> so does family some times
[21:01:06] <cmn32480> relocation sucks...
[21:00:54] <nick> busy with family and relocation, hopefully through the worst of it now
[21:00:15] <cmn32480> how ytou been sir?
[21:00:08] <nick> usually
[20:59:58] <cmn32480> it's always his fault
[20:59:52] <cmn32480> assign blame to Bytram|away
[20:59:36] <nick> cmn32480 !!
[20:59:27] <nick> good news gentlemen, i finally have another laptop so will be here to assign blame for things being broken
[20:56:08] <cmn32480> nick !!
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[19:14:18] <janrinok> gtg - see you tomorrow guys
[18:55:25] <janrinok> anyone available to do any 2nds pse?
[18:37:12] <janrinok> enjoy
[18:37:06] <janrinok> k
[18:35:46] <cmn32480> back ijn a bit. gotta get to a meeting.
[18:23:49] <cmn32480> sweet dreams!
[18:23:43] <Bytram|away> on that note, ta ta for now.
[18:23:37] <Bytram|away> No problem, little buddy!
[18:23:26] <Bytram|away> 'Thanks, Gilligan!"
[18:23:25] <cmn32480> lol
[18:23:21] <cmn32480> yeah that's it!
[18:23:20] <Bytram|away> =)
[18:23:16] <Bytram|away> more similar in age.
[18:23:09] <cmn32480> younger
[18:23:09] <Bytram|away> bedtime stories and pre-made s'mores.
[18:23:03] <cmn32480> yeah.... but a sweet idea of they were older
[18:22:50] <Bytram|away> whoops.
[18:22:44] <cmn32480> my daughter is 3.
[18:22:43] <Bytram|away> major age difference.
[18:22:38] <Bytram|away> ahh, got it.
[18:22:26] <cmn32480> thank you for the kindness, it is appreciated.
[18:22:22] <Bytram|away> k
[18:22:18] <cmn32480> I have your number Bytram.
[18:22:10] <janrinok> you know, you are always thinking about others, that is special
[18:22:07] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[18:22:05] <cmn32480> his daughters are all higschool and college age.
[18:21:58] <Bytram> and feel free to call me at *any* time... I'll ping you with my tel no.
[18:21:55] <cmn32480> there is a 10+ year age difference
[18:21:37] <Bytram> anyway, just thinking out loud.
[18:21:31] <Bytram> 'remember back when we had the hurricane' "Yeah! we played monopoly all night long!" kind of things.
[18:21:30] <Bytram> I'm just tossing this out there as the thought came to me, but your neighbor's kids -- all daughters? and you have a daughter, too? Maybe a sleepover would be good for all concerned? Like I said, I don't know, but just putting it out there for your thoughts/consideration. Then again taking care of your *own* family is top priority and a weighty responsibility. So, hope you can make light of it for the kids and make it one of those
[18:18:57] <janrinok> too*
[18:18:55] <janrinok> and you take care to
[18:18:52] <cmn32480> same to you. stay dry!
[18:18:49] <Bytram> np
[18:18:46] <cmn32480> thanks Bytram
[18:18:37] <Bytram> cmn32480: best of luck to you and the upcoming storm... and I'll keep you, your family, and your neighbors in my thoughts and prayers.
[18:18:25] <cmn32480> zzzzzzzzz say s bytram
[18:18:01] <janrinok> have a good kip!
[18:17:55] <Bytram> will catch you all later...
[18:17:49] <Bytram> anyway, just finished my lunch and am ready for a nap...
[18:16:35] <Bytram> Also, I'm reminded of: Edgar Allen Poe's 'The Telltale Heart'
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[18:15:31] <Bytram> I know I am not that good to be that bad.
[18:15:25] <Bytram> not from experience, thankfully.
[18:15:03] <janrinok> wasn't*
[18:14:54] <janrinok> I hope it was learned by experience
[18:14:47] <Bytram> so, I took the next best route and went into QA!
[18:14:33] <Bytram> sage advice, indeed.
[18:14:26] <Bytram> had a wise manager many years ago who told me that if I was going to steal anything, then I'd better steal enough so that I could live the rest of my life on the proceeds, because if I failed, I'd have a record for the rest of my life.
[18:13:45] <Bytram> j/k
[18:13:42] <Bytram> would? ;)
[18:13:27] <Bytram> aye carumba!
[18:13:26] * janrinok is beginning to think that Bytram would have been a major criminal in another life
[18:13:20] <Bytram> or newscaster.
[18:13:13] <Bytram> any politician who has had a speech recorded.
[18:12:57] <Bytram> or, simply take a sample from YouTube.
[18:12:41] <Bytram> now think of how many voice samples are held by: Apple (Siri), Google, and Microsoft.
[18:12:18] <Schwifty> ^ 03UAB - UAB News - UAB research finds automated voice imitation can fool humans and machines
[18:12:16] <Bytram> http://www.uab.edu
[18:12:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:12:00] <Bytram> works well enough that there are concerns that it would bypass voice security
[18:11:35] <cmn32480> that takes too much concentration
[18:11:34] <Bytram> apparently with a few minutes' of voice samples, software can discern those aspects of one's voice that make it 'unique' and then apply those to someone else's input and make it sound like you.
[18:11:16] <cmn32480> rehtien me
[18:11:05] <janrinok> none of me has heard of it
[18:10:54] <janrinok> nope
[18:10:43] <Bytram> aka 'voice imitation software'
[18:10:36] <Bytram> btw, have any of you ever heard about 'voice morphing software'
[18:10:09] <Bytram> that *would* be an improvement, aisle add mitt
[18:09:50] <janrinok> Bytram: I doubt that you are back to 'normal', but you are probably better than you were :-)
[18:09:46] <Bytram> no kidding!
[18:09:36] <Bytram> whew!
[18:09:35] <cmn32480> pan a sdeen martyb
[18:09:25] <Bytram> I just unplugged the PS2 adapters and reconnected them and now I am back to normnal
[18:09:08] <Bytram> YAY@!
[18:09:04] <janrinok> are you using linux? Use the 'rev' command
[18:08:57] <cmn32480> or your fingers
[18:08:35] <Bytram> kniht I ,CP ym toober ot deen I
[18:08:07] <Bytram> esrever ni srettel eht gnipyt yb gnihtyreve epytot tluciffid yrev s'ti ,yllaere
[18:07:42] <Bytram> I am typing it now
[18:07:23] <Bytram> thats hard
[18:07:20] <cmn32480> how long did you ahv that in the buffer waiting?
[18:07:12] <Bytram> rebooting
[18:07:11] <janrinok> still laughing!
[18:06:54] <Bytram> sry
[18:06:27] <janrinok> lol
[18:06:09] <Bytram> .sdrawkcab gnipyt won si gnihtyreve ,dbk potpal ni-tliub eht esu I nehw won dna esool ewmac elbac dbk ym
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[17:01:13] * cmn32480 wishes he had bought crackers too
[16:40:41] <cmn32480> okie
[16:40:16] <Bytram> okay, time for food. back in a bit.
[16:40:09] <Bytram> ;)
[16:40:07] <cmn32480> unless you have already speel'd it out earlie in the summary, then it is ok
[16:40:01] * Bytram continues to practice his misspeeeling
[16:39:42] <Bytram> NYT? Feh! Speel. It. Out!
[16:39:27] <Bytram> and, personal preference, set off the names of publications: <em>The New York Times</em>
[16:39:12] <cmn32480> I try, but sometime there sin't a good spot
[16:39:03] <cmn32480> yup
[16:38:51] <Bytram> main thing I find I need to do for those stories is insert a couple paragraph tags
[16:38:30] <Bytram> true
[16:38:09] <Bytram> still too early to tell, from what I've heard. depends on how much a high pressure cell subsides in the north atlantic
[16:38:04] <cmn32480> he writes an actual summary
[16:37:42] <cmn32480> absolutely
[16:37:31] <Bytram> say what you will, but pappa's fritos does a good job of merging info from multiple sites.
[16:37:11] <cmn32480> damn... looks like NYC and Boston are gonna get pounded....
[16:36:44] <Bytram> stepping back and looking at the site with a 1000' (333 meter?) view -- I most enjoy the stories that have more than just copy/paste -- so it's beholden to me to submit the same.
[16:35:37] <cmn32480> agreed
[16:35:29] <Bytram> nodnod, but I prefer, if at all possible, to provide a summary / abstraction instead of just copy/pasty
[16:34:47] <cmn32480> me too... but many of them are an easy cut/paste of the first few paragraphs and off we go
[16:34:22] <Bytram> well, if I see a story submission that consists of just a link, I'll look at something else unless I have some spare time or find the topic expecially interesting.
[16:33:34] <cmn32480> i must admit that I find it hilarious that people post all tehse interesting links into IRC, but never submit them as stories, even though exec has the function to do so
[16:32:42] <Schwifty> ^ 03( https://secure.jbs.elsevierhealth.com )
[16:32:41] <Bytram> http://www.cell.com
[16:32:24] <Schwifty> ^ 03Why beauty is in the eye of the beholder | Science/AAAS | News
[16:32:23] <Bytram> http://news.sciencemag.org
[16:32:05] * Bytram hasn't been to one in I don't know how long; not even sure if there is one around.
[16:30:39] <cmn32480> Costco generally has a good reputation when it comes to that kind of thing
[16:29:55] * Bytram is impressed with the honesty!
[16:28:21] <cmn32480> they are very up front about it. they roast x number for the chicken salad, and striaght up tell you that tehy will use the leftovers from today as well so that they don't get tossed in the trash.
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[16:25:10] <Bytram> lol, truth.
[16:25:03] <cmn32480> made from yesterday's unsold rotisserie chickens
[16:25:01] * Bytram is reminded he has not eaten yet... bbs
[16:24:35] <Bytram> chicken salad? Yum!
[16:24:23] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03A billion Android phones are vulnerable to new Stagefright bugs | Ars Technica
[16:24:23] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[16:24:21] <cmn32480> upside.. I got a big old plate of chicken salad for lunch while I was in costco
[16:24:16] <Schwifty> ^* 03Every Android device is vulnerable to newly discovered bugs - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[16:24:16] <Bytram> http://www.cnet.com
[16:24:15] <Bytram> btw, looks like the Android platform just can't catch a break -- StageFright 2.0:
[16:23:55] * cmn32480 sonorously intones "The measure of a man's genius is how much he agrees with you."
[16:23:01] <Bytram> ninjad
[16:22:59] <Bytram> isn't that a river in Egypt?
[16:22:44] <cmn32480> it is in DeEgypt
[16:22:37] <Bytram> PERFECT!
[16:22:29] <cmn32480> denial
[16:22:15] * Bytram forgot what state you are in? (besides preparation)
[16:22:04] <cmn32480> zackl;y
[16:21:58] <Bytram> =)
[16:21:55] <Bytram> we've got moah practise
[16:21:45] <cmn32480> we can misspell anthign and everythign
[16:21:36] <cmn32480> we are editors\
[16:21:18] <Bytram> and speeling, too. :/
[16:21:13] <cmn32480> stupid 24 hour news cycle
[16:21:12] <Bytram> jsut the facts, ma'am.
[16:21:02] <cmn32480> rofl
[16:20:48] <Bytram> Everything. Is. **SO** Important. Every. Single. *****WORD*****!!!!!
[16:20:40] <cmn32480> from what I heard we are supposed to get hit tonight into tomorrow
[16:20:26] <Bytram> so... strident!
[16:20:20] <cmn32480> heh
[16:20:11] <Bytram> now I remember why I haven't watched TV in so long.
[16:20:00] <Bytram> thanks to your warning, I just turned on the TV 20 minutes ago to catch up on Jpaquin and yesterday's flooding.
[16:19:46] <cmn32480> can't wait until Costco starts taking somethign else after the first of the year
[16:19:26] <Bytram> good that you could be there for her.
[16:19:26] <cmn32480> yup
[16:18:53] <Bytram> oops.
[16:18:47] <cmn32480> had to run to Costco around the corner... J forgot her Amex
[16:18:33] <cmn32480> back.
[15:54:07] <Schwifty> ^ 03A billion Android phones are vulnerable to new Stagefright bugs | Ars Technica
[15:54:06] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[15:53:59] <Schwifty> ^ 03Every Android device is vulnerable to newly discovered bugs - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[15:53:57] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[15:38:01] <Bytram> afk
[15:36:44] <Bytram> well! that explains a few things... we had nearly 6 inches of rain yesterday! No wonder there was so much flooding!
[15:33:22] <Bytram> k
[15:33:19] <Bytram> btw, thanks for the headsup about joaquin -- I don't generally follow the media and didn't yet know that it had blossomed and might head in my direction.
[15:33:18] <cmn32480> I gotta run. back in a bit.
[15:32:12] <Bytram> never hurts to have some extra on-hand. if their pumps go out... let's just say that I have experience a few water main breaks and life without water is a bit tricky and, umm, fragrant.
[15:30:29] <cmn32480> city water... so that shoudln't be an issue
[15:29:37] <Bytram> oh, and fill the tub with water
[15:29:26] <Bytram> if you have a large cooler, put the most-frequently-needed stuff in that and thus keep the fridge door closed for the most part.
[15:28:34] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:28:22] <cmn32480> the fridge in the kitchen... different ball game
[15:28:11] <cmn32480> the freezer in the basement will keep for about 3 days, as long as we don't open the door.
[15:27:48] <Bytram> power-free way to extend life of freezer/fridge: drape blankets over them to increase the insulation and keep more of the cold in
[15:27:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:26:55] <cmn32480> once the generator is running, extension cords will be pre-placed to allow me to keep my internet, fridge, and freezers running
[15:25:31] <Bytram> batteries and LED flashlights, radio, phone chargers, candles, fire extinguishers ;)
[15:25:06] <Bytram> nod nod
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[15:25:01] <cmn32480> everything important will be off
[15:24:56] <janrinok> gtg - need to order pizza and then go and collect it
[15:24:40] <cmn32480> not too worried about the UPS's at the house
[15:24:26] <Bytram> make sure the UPS's are in good shape, too.
[15:24:18] <Bytram> excellent point!
[15:24:17] <cmn32480> a valid thought
[15:24:06] <Bytram> that makes sense! for some reason I thought you might have meant to have it up and running ahead of losing power and I could not make any sense of that... hence my quesiton.
[15:24:03] <cmn32480> far easier to disassemble the carbeurator with the lights on than AFTER the power goes out
[15:23:27] <cmn32480> to make sure the sucker still works!
[15:20:12] <Bytram> I'm not familiar, but is there a need to fire up the generator before the power goes out? Or is that just a test start/run to make sure it is still in good shape?
[15:19:10] <cmn32480> make sure I got fresh gas...
[15:18:51] <cmn32480> yeah... gotta fire up the generator when I get home
[15:16:25] <janrinok> oh, I thought you meant the singer of that song - I was about to say that I think you were wrong
[15:15:54] <Schwifty> ^ 03Hurricane Joaquin poised to hit Bahamas - CNN.com
[15:15:53] <Bytram> http://www.cnn.com
[15:15:20] <Bytram> Joaquin
[15:15:09] <cmn32480> I believe it is Jaquime(sp?)
[15:13:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:12:56] <cmn32480> I was about 5 years old
[15:12:50] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:12:40] * janrinok is singing 'Gloria - G L O R I A' ...
[15:12:36] <Bytram> yowza!
[15:12:29] <cmn32480> I was in New Jersey... we got hit face first
[15:12:26] <Bytram> cmn32480: which hurricane is coming your way?
[15:12:11] <Bytram> I was living in massachusetts when Gloria hit. We were so fortunate that the storm had subsided before it hit us. I cannot imagine what things would have been like if it had hit with full force!
[15:11:28] <cmn32480> I wish I had boring weather
[15:10:46] <janrinok> I'm rather glad that we have boring weather here in Fr
[15:10:44] <Bender> karma - monopoly: 1
[15:10:44] <Bytram> monopoly++
[15:10:05] <cmn32480> and I distinctly remember playing monopoly around the dining room table by candle light
[15:09:44] * Bytram hums Blondie's 'Call Me'
[15:09:36] <cmn32480> and I remember hurrican Gloria.... I was a kid
[15:09:24] <cmn32480> sorry guys. am stuck on a call
[15:08:00] <Bytram> if the shoe fits?
[15:07:45] <janrinok> I can relate to that!
[15:07:27] <Bytram> ROFL!
[15:06:17] <janrinok> just had to share this: http://i.imgur.com
[15:05:18] <janrinok> lol
[15:03:54] <Bytram> or, you could just wait for 'em to float up to your door and just board the gangway
[15:03:20] * Bytram looks for a source of inexpensive flippers with same-day delivery and free shipping.
[15:01:23] <janrinok> well, presumably, someone is already on the ark - so I guess I'll just have to push S on there and start swimming
[15:00:16] <Bytram> or, if you read a different passage, IIRC, eight by eight!
[14:59:59] <Bytram> just watch out for animals gathering two-by-two!
[14:59:24] <janrinok> we live on a slight hillside - if it floods here I'll be out looking the the 2nd ark which will be turning up anytime soon
[14:57:02] <Bytram> had extremely heavy rains yesterday and a LOT of flooding in the area. Most things are back to normal, today, thank goodness!
[14:56:35] <Bytram> a bit of rain is one thing -- downpours like THAT are another thing, all together!
[14:53:53] <janrinok> but I don't mind if it rains a bit
[14:53:28] <Bytram> Please accept my fervent wish that all will pass okay for you!
[14:52:45] <Bytram> that was the worst, but I've been few a few other lesser storms.
[14:52:27] <Bytram> I saw two-hundred year old trees toppled like just so much kindling.
[14:52:07] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Hurricane Gloria
[14:52:06] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:51:41] <Bytram> trees down *everywhere*
[14:51:29] <Bytram> *week
[14:51:27] <Bytram> one took out power in the area for over a wek
[14:51:19] <Bytram> I've been a few of those, too.
[14:51:10] <janrinok> we're one hell of a team
[14:51:07] <Bytram> and, hurricane? YIKES!
[14:50:51] <Bytram> if there is *anything* I can do, I've got two ears -- I'm here for you buddy!
[14:50:44] <janrinok> and it was taken as such
[14:50:27] <Bytram> cmn32480: that was a long-winded attempt to share with you about my personal loss in hopes that it might provide some conolation for yours.
[14:50:10] <janrinok> ?
[14:50:01] * Bytram pulls his head out of his butt
[14:49:19] <janrinok> even bigger lol
[14:49:05] * cmn32480 thinks about the beating he would receive for getting one of those for J
[14:48:20] <janrinok> lol
[14:47:13] <cmn32480> agreed... back to looking for bytram in the french maid uniform with a feather duster
[14:46:37] <janrinok> I think that is enough feels for one afternoon though.
[14:46:03] <Bytram> shhhhhhh!
[14:45:57] <Bytram> afk
[14:45:57] <janrinok> now, haven't you got chores to do?
[14:45:49] <Bytram> ciao for now
[14:45:47] <Bytram> hardly possible!
[14:45:35] <Bytram> merci mon ami
[14:45:29] <janrinok> and to you and yours Bytram
[14:45:29] <cmn32480> don't relax too hard
[14:45:28] <Bytram> thanks
[14:45:25] <cmn32480> you as well bytram
[14:45:18] <Bytram> best to you all and your fmailies!
[14:45:14] * cmn32480 hears janrinok intone "cmn32480, I am your father"
[14:45:11] <Bytram> okay, time for me to get going about my day....
[14:44:56] <Bytram> lol
[14:44:49] <Bytram> as the saying goes, I'm always the last toknow!
[14:44:39] <Bytram> thanks! I appreciate your candid assessment.
[14:44:33] <janrinok> I still do - I think my homework is a bit late
[14:44:17] * Bytram used to tremble at the thought of writing a two-page essay for school.
[14:44:03] <janrinok> not for RD, but for IRC it said it very well indeed
[14:43:56] <cmn32480> yes. and quite touching
[14:43:40] <Bytram> but seriously, I'm curious... do you think what I just posted was *that* well written?
[14:43:30] <janrinok> but you don't know who I _really_ am, do you?
[14:42:58] <janrinok> probably
[14:42:50] <cmn32480> janrinok - I think you are old enough to be one of my parents
[14:42:23] <Bytram> was founded in 1922
[14:42:15] <Bytram> looks like it is still around.
[14:42:08] <Schwifty> ^ 03Wiki: Reader's Digest
[14:42:07] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:42:03] <Schwifty> ^ 03Reader’s Digest: Official Site to Subscribe Find Great Reads
[14:42:02] <Bytram> http://www.rd.com
[14:41:35] <janrinok> so do I - and I've never met your parents ...
[14:41:19] <Bytram> ;)
[14:41:15] * cmn32480 remembers my parents having a subscription as a kid
[14:41:08] <Bytram> no-eyed deer.
[14:40:58] <janrinok> dunno
[14:40:50] <cmn32480> is that magazine still around?
[14:40:48] <Bytram> yikes, if that's the *digest* -- what more could I write?
[14:40:27] <janrinok> you could submit that to Reader's Digest!
[14:40:24] <Bytram> I am able to reach out to others and to do the same.
[14:40:17] <Bytram> and how, though in an entirely different career path than I ever intended,
[14:40:04] <Bytram> the wealth of friends she had and how many lives she has touched,
[14:39:52] <Bytram> thankfully, the pain has mostly passed and I remember the tender moments...
[14:39:05] <Bytram> and how to share what I am feeling in a way that others can understand.
[14:38:53] <Bytram> =)
[14:38:51] <Bytram> the dramatic pause
[14:38:44] <Bytram> about
[14:38:43] <Bytram> I hope I've learned a few things
[14:38:38] <Bytram> and in being active in an organization that I regularly attend meetings where people share from the heart, and I have done so regularly as well, well
[14:38:24] <janrinok> that was brilliant to read, moving , thought provoking
[14:38:08] <Bytram> it is a story I've shared many times, and thanks to the practice I've gained editing stories here
[14:37:37] <Bytram> thank you.
[14:37:24] <cmn32480> you have quite the gift for words bytram.
[14:37:18] <Bytram> ^^ something like that.
[14:37:05] <Bytram> so live your life that when you pass, even the undertaker is saddened for your passing.
[14:36:49] <Bytram> I'm reminded of a quote that I think came from Mark Twain?
[14:36:43] * cmn32480 thinks bytram might consider becoming a poet as his next career
[14:36:27] <Bytram> well, I cannot find words -- but if you are following this to this point, they are not necessary.
[14:36:09] <Bytram> to see the light in my friend's eyes as she told me of it
[14:35:56] <Bytram> and, sure enogh a couple years later -- a friend of hers lost HER mom, and she was able to be there for her firend.
[14:35:32] <Bytram> like me, it took her many months to get over her loss
[14:35:17] <Bytram> assured her that, some day, her suffering would allow her to, in turn, help someone else
[14:35:00] <Bytram> I told her of my experience
[14:34:52] <Bytram> because I had shared with her about my mom's passing, she *knew* when she came to me about her loss, that I would understand
[14:34:29] <Bytram> oh, and about 2-3 years after my mom passed, another co-worker lost her mom.
[14:34:11] <Bytram> validate *their* loss and give them hope, too.
[14:34:01] <Bytram> that I can reach out to them for support, and in so doing
[14:33:49] <Bytram> others have prolly been through this before,
[14:33:39] <Bytram> it does not remove the pain, but it validates that there just may be a value to it someday, so just hold on, take comfort that
[14:33:10] <Bytram> to try and take the view, that somewhere, someday, that this might somehow be used for good.
[14:32:51] <Bytram> so, I *try* whenever something goes wrong, if I can step back for a bit,
[14:32:26] <janrinok> yep - and more onions
[14:32:19] <Bytram> it's only *because* we *both* had such tremendous losses, that we became such good friends.
[14:32:05] <cmn32480> you are a good man, Charlie Brown.
[14:31:53] <Bytram> she gives me a great big hug and we are great friends!
[14:31:42] <Bytram> whenever they are in the store, theymake it a point to come over to my department
[14:31:27] <Bytram> fast forward to today.
[14:31:20] <Bytram> I could tell she was still numb, but I sensed I had touched her in some way.
[14:31:03] <Bytram> and I shared with her how much I grieved my mom's passing
[14:30:49] <Bytram> I reached out to help her select a dress to wear to the funeral
[14:30:28] <Bytram> this was the child's grandmother.
[14:30:19] <Bytram> and, sadly, drowned.
[14:30:11] <Bytram> while they were playing in a pool
[14:30:01] <Bytram> a young child got away from the staff
[14:29:46] <Bytram> there was a report in the morning paper about a tragedy at a day care
[14:29:26] <Bytram> her husband took her by the hand and just guided her along
[14:29:11] <Bytram> she was just a shell of a person
[14:29:05] <Bytram> an older couple came in
[14:29:01] <Bytram> several months later, I was in a position at work selling Lady's Suits and Dresses
[14:28:35] <Bytram> yet, having it made it through that experience, I am so much better able to reach out to others who are grieving
[14:28:17] <Bytram> sometimes, though, fortune doesn't always feel good.
[14:27:56] <Bytram> I am a very fortunate man, indeed.
[14:27:49] <Bytram> It would not hurt were she not so special.
[14:27:33] <Bytram> and yet, I now have the comfort that the ONLY reason there is a loss, is that I was so blessed to have her in my life!
[14:27:28] <janrinok> we are here, bud
[14:27:10] <Bytram> Even now, many years later, there are times when I get all choked up thinking about her...
[14:26:49] <Bytram> to let others carry me when I was unable to make it alone.
[14:26:36] <Bytram> to GET it out
[14:26:33] <Bytram> to let it out
[14:26:31] <Bytram> I knew it was okay to *feel* not okay, and this was a time to do it.
[14:26:13] <Bytram> I was able to experience the loving, gentle, tender kindness of people who knew me
[14:25:56] <Bytram> but seeing what I had just a couple weeks prior
[14:25:49] <Bytram> at the funeral, I was an absolute mess.
[14:25:38] <Bytram> we got the family together and made the decision to let her go.
[14:25:22] <Bytram> finally, they got her stabilized, performed surgery, and she did not recover.
[14:25:05] <Bytram> spent two weeks going between the ICU and the CCU (Intensive/Critical Care Units)
[14:24:42] <Bytram> that Saturday, my mom was rushed to the hospital
[14:24:27] <Bytram> I saw that my attending may have been for the dead, but I was able to help the living, too.
[14:23:53] <Bytram> accept my grief relatively quickly and then was able toreach out to her in a way that she KNEW I understood how she felt.
[14:23:26] <Bytram> ummm
[14:23:26] <Bytram> I, having not been quite as close, was able to ...
[14:23:14] <janrinok> now, wakes, that something I will raise a glass to
[14:23:07] <Bytram> her partner was busted up all out of shape... nearly inconsolable
[14:22:50] <Bytram> went to the wake the next day, and then the funeral the day after.
[14:22:34] <Bytram> we were not very close, but we saw the world pretty much the exact same way -- a kindred spirit,if you will.
[14:22:05] <Bytram> was on vacation, caught pneumonia, and that took her life the same day.
[14:21:47] <Bytram> She had been diagnosed with AIDS and given one year to live -- 13 years prior.
[14:21:22] <Bytram> years ago, I got a message on my answering machine about an acquaintance who had taken sick and passed away the same day.
[14:21:19] <janrinok> sry
[14:21:04] <janrinok> it's Thursday - and that makes it Pizza Day! and a beer!
[14:20:47] <Bytram> and, if I may, another vignette...
[14:20:32] <Bytram> aye!
[14:20:31] <janrinok> yep
[14:20:26] <Bytram> it's what happens to the eyes, right?
[14:20:20] <janrinok> lol
[14:20:16] <Bytram> so sorry, next time I'll bring leeks
[14:20:01] <janrinok> Bytram: did you have to bring the onions in here?
[14:19:55] <Bytram> even now, it chokes me up a bit to think about it.
[14:19:27] <Bytram> I knew, then, that there is more out there than I am aware of -- that just because I don't see it, does not necessarily mean it is not there.
[14:18:39] <Bytram> When my grandma passed, many many years ago, I was surprised to see a neighbor from right next door to my parents attend the funeral. Nobody had told her about it. She apparently saw the listing in the obituaries and just showed up. I cannot even begin to tell you how much that touched me.
[14:17:52] <cmn32480> <cmn32480> so that other people will go to yours
[14:17:44] <cmn32480> cmn32480> you know why you go to other people's funerals, right?
[14:17:06] <Bytram> That was a mighty fine thing you did showing up at the funeral.
[14:16:30] <Bytram> {{{ cmn32480 }}}
[14:16:25] * Bytram just caught up on backscroll
[14:16:23] <janrinok> Bytram: lo again
[14:16:17] <Bytram> greetings fellow editors
[14:16:15] <cmn32480> ok. blame has been laid at your feet
[14:14:16] <janrinok> not very well told on IRC but blame me for that...
[14:13:33] <janrinok> His buddy replies - you're ok mate, it's over there pointing to the distance
[14:13:08] <janrinok> one of my favourites - I guy on the battlefield stands on a mine and begins screaming - I've lost my leg, my leg, its gone.
[14:12:31] <cmn32480> probably... either laugh or cry. you choose
[14:12:14] <janrinok> same in the military. lots of very dark humour there, probably to stop oneself descending into despair
[14:12:07] <cmn32480> exactly
[14:11:39] <janrinok> I had lived in this village for a couple of years, but it wasn't until I attended a local funeral that I became part of the community
[14:11:33] <cmn32480> THAT was a day of really black humor
[14:11:24] <cmn32480> we were doing a job for a coroners office
[14:11:17] <cmn32480> depoends on the settign
[14:10:32] <janrinok> good black humour - something I like
[14:10:14] <cmn32480> hows that for morbid?
[14:10:08] <cmn32480> so that other people will go to yours
[14:09:53] <janrinok> do tell...
[14:09:42] <cmn32480> you know why you go to other people's funerals, right?
[14:09:13] <cmn32480> thanks much
[14:09:01] <janrinok> queues good for another 12 hours
[14:08:27] <janrinok> and what pleasures face you at work today
[14:08:11] <janrinok> good for you
[14:07:52] <janrinok> although their memories will fade more quickly that those of his daughters
[14:07:37] <cmn32480> I let her know that if she needed anything that I coudl help wiht to please let us know... home repairs, etc. that Mark used to do
[14:07:20] <janrinok> well, that is also nice to see. The young ones will also provide their own support to the daughters
[14:06:52] <cmn32480> lots of kids (friedns of the 3 daughters
[14:06:38] <cmn32480> the church was pretty full
[14:06:29] <cmn32480> I hope that she will reach out as needed
[14:06:29] <janrinok> Nice of you to attend though, that will have provided some comfort
[14:06:11] <cmn32480> unknown
[14:05:53] <janrinok> there is also the question of what can anyone do to help
[14:05:50] <cmn32480> so enough of being a sad sack
[14:05:20] <janrinok> yep - wiki explains it all
[14:05:13] <cmn32480> 2nd year at university
[14:05:09] <cmn32480> sorry
[14:04:56] <janrinok> I had to look up sophomore in wiki, and it says that 'Sophomore is not used in British English... A Brit will not usually know what this term means
[14:04:54] <cmn32480> so after the funeral I went home and just hugged on the one kid that was around
[14:03:44] <cmn32480> mine too
[14:03:40] <cmn32480> yeah... makes you think
[14:03:38] <janrinok> my thoughts are with his family
[14:02:28] <cmn32480> 3 daughters... oldest is a sophomore in college
[14:02:23] <janrinok> at least that is quick
[14:02:11] <cmn32480> very
[14:02:04] <cmn32480> they think it was a heart attack or an anyeurism(sp?)
[14:01:59] <janrinok> very sad, he probably thought that he was only half way through his life
[14:01:32] <cmn32480> neighbor
[14:01:29] <cmn32480> really depressing to go to a funeral for a guy who was 48 years old
[14:01:23] <janrinok> was it just an acquaintance or family?
[14:01:10] <cmn32480> I know... but still
[14:00:54] <janrinok> not surprised. You are pulling your weight and then some, so apologies not expected nor required
[14:00:24] <cmn32480> sorry for slacking last night... after the funeral I dind't feel like doing much
[13:59:51] <cmn32480> yup
[13:59:35] <janrinok> I guess gewg_'s latest marijuana story is looking like Sunday fodder...
[13:57:07] <janrinok> well, sometimes I miss ....
[13:56:57] <cmn32480> aim low and you will never be disappointed!
[13:56:12] <janrinok> I feel I should have an aim in life
[13:55:51] <cmn32480> well said!
[13:55:33] <janrinok> only the best in mediocrity is good enough!
[13:55:00] <cmn32480> so you produce quality mediocrity is what you are saying?
[13:54:39] <janrinok> but at least I am good at producing mediocrity
[13:54:20] <cmn32480> welcome to the club!
[13:54:04] <janrinok> no - quality is the aim, mediocrity is what I often produce
[13:52:07] <cmn32480> so I have it backerds? quantity over quality, right?
[13:50:39] <janrinok> preferably ;)
[13:49:20] <cmn32480> but onl;y good ones, right?
[13:49:00] * janrinok needs to keep cmn posting stories - no matter what the weather
[13:48:38] <janrinok> good idea
[13:48:31] <cmn32480> yeah.. I gotta get the generator set up, jic
[13:48:23] <cmn32480> hehehe
[13:48:11] <janrinok> the sort of spice we can do without, thankyou very much
[13:47:55] <cmn32480> awww... it jsut adds a little spice to life!
[13:45:51] <janrinok> we don't get that sort of weather here - ever!
[13:45:17] <cmn32480> if it was, that';d be one HELLUVA big storm!
[13:45:07] <cmn32480> I expect it won't hit there if it is going to hit here.
[13:44:41] <janrinok> not heard the hurricane news here
[13:44:34] <cmn32480> it is either that or pounding my head on the desk :-)
[13:44:26] <janrinok> but good to hear the fam are ok
[13:44:19] <cmn32480> glad I am home mostly with the hurricane coming
[13:44:15] <janrinok> that what work is about, unfortunately
[13:44:07] <cmn32480> family is good
[13:44:02] <cmn32480> sorry.. i keep getting puleld in 15 directions
[13:37:40] <janrinok> how's the family?
[13:37:21] <cmn32480> bottom
[13:26:48] <janrinok> top
[13:26:43] <cmn32480> side
[13:24:32] <janrinok> front
[13:15:29] <cmn32480> back
[13:12:55] <Bytram> away
[13:12:42] <Bytram> back soon, I hope.
[13:12:35] <Bytram> i've gtg; phone call coming.
[13:11:35] <janrinok> ah, k
[13:10:44] <Bytram> those were some links I had in browser tabs... posting them here before closing the tab, in case others found them interesting
[13:10:05] <Bytram> nope
[13:09:58] <janrinok> Bytram: have you written your own version of Arthur?
[13:09:35] <Schwifty> ^ 03Vulnerability Note VU#804060 - Cookies set via HTTP requests may be used to bypass HTTPS and reveal private information
[13:09:34] <Bytram> http://www.kb.cert.org
[13:09:23] <Schwifty> ^ 03Cookies Render HTTPS Sessions Vulnerable to Data Leaks | SecurityWeek.Com
[13:09:23] <Bytram> http://www.securityweek.com
[13:08:49] <Schwifty> ^ 03Mechanism of explosions and plasma jets associated with sunspot formation revealed -- ScienceDaily
[13:08:48] <Bytram> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[13:06:16] <janrinok> lol
[13:05:59] * Bytram has something like 50 tabs open -- looks like my housekeeping needs to start on-line
[13:05:05] <janrinok> no, interesting link
[13:05:02] * Bytram is a big fan of janrinok =)
[13:04:46] <Bytram> whew! thought I might have broken schwifty for a moment, there.
[13:04:30] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[13:04:30] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[13:04:13] <Bytram> http://www.nytimes.com
[13:04:00] <Schwifty> ^ 03( http://www.nytimes.com )
[13:03:59] <Bytram> http://www.nytimes.com
[13:03:58] * janrinok goes to look for a really big fan
[13:03:13] <Bytram> j/k
[13:01:50] <Bytram> would be easier to use a really big fan to blow off the dust... maybe feed power *into* one of those wind turbines? ;)
[13:01:04] <Bytram> lol!
[12:54:59] * janrinok can't abide all those dusty feathers. Knocking birds out of the sky with a tennis racquet in order to dust them all
[12:54:23] <janrinok> yes, both texture and keeping it risen during the bake :)
[12:54:17] <Bytram> =)
[12:54:15] * Bytram wonders why anyone would want to dust a feather?
[12:53:52] * janrinok pictures Bytram in an apron with a feather duster, or perhaps like the Queen video
[12:53:50] <Bytram> brb
[12:53:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 30
[12:53:45] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:53:43] <Bytram> that makes*
[12:53:30] <Bytram> that's make getting the texture right quite a bit more difficult, if I understand correctly?
[12:53:14] <Bytram> nice!
[12:53:06] <janrinok> this one is gluten free which is a little trickier to make successfully, but I've been doing it now for several years so I think I have it hacked
[12:53:04] <Bytram> I worked late last night but have today and the morrow off; plan to take a nap (or two!) and try to catch up on some long-neglected housecleaning.
[12:52:21] <janrinok> 2nd loaf of the day goes in shortly
[12:51:54] <janrinok> exactly
[12:51:31] <Bytram> put a little fresh preserves on it and nirvana
[12:51:08] <Bytram> yeasty smells wafting through your home -- sounds absolutely delightful!
[12:50:48] <Bytram> fresh bread? Yummy!!
[12:50:35] <janrinok> too*
[12:50:30] <janrinok> good here to, finished my daily chores (apart from baking some bread) and sat in front of my computers
[12:50:00] <Bytram> janrinok: things are good, all in all for me, how are you doing?
[12:48:20] <cmn32480> brb
[12:47:12] <janrinok> don't sweat it - I 2nd'ed it and didn't see the problem
[12:46:44] <cmn32480> came back to bite me in the ass.
[12:46:28] <janrinok> My quote from 48 hrs ago - "We all release bad stories from time to time...."
[12:46:10] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[12:45:58] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[12:45:51] * janrinok get cloth to clean sword with
[12:45:37] * cmn32480 falls on his sword
[12:45:10] <janrinok> takyon: good work in fixing that Mars story.
[12:44:29] <janrinok> hi guys
[12:43:28] zz_janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[12:41:49] <cmn32480> my screw up
[12:29:54] <Bytram> takyon: /me reads original submission on mars story... Oh. That's what the comments were about! Humor on the internet can be indistinguishable from trolling.
[12:28:53] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
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[03:17:03] <takyon> submitted
[03:05:06] <takyon> submitting fossil story
[03:04:59] <takyon> checking story list, looks good
[03:04:32] <takyon> there was some grade A butthurt on the Mars story. see comments or original submission for more details
[03:03:59] <takyon> who's around