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[20:59:56] <NotSanguine> For certain values of "win" I imagine
[20:54:48] * takyon enjoys not winning the cosmological lottery
[20:43:23] * NotSanguine hopes takyon enjoys the story
[19:57:36] <NotSanguine> It addresses a similar theme. With an interesting (although not very scientific) twist at the end.
[19:57:23] <takyon> nope, reading
[19:56:49] <NotSanguine> Quite possibly. Are you familiar with this story? http://www.uni.edu
[19:56:30] <takyon> 120 FPS preferred
[19:56:23] <takyon> If I'm not mistaken, VR manufacturers and Nvidia/AMD are claiming 90 FPS should be the minimum for Oculus et al.
[19:55:29] <takyon> during this argument an alien species was xenocided on the planet SanguineX(B). there were no survivors. the light of the explosion will reach us some day.
[19:55:12] <NotSanguine> But I imagine you knew that already
[19:55:03] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Wiki: Frame rate
[19:55:02] <NotSanguine> Even 30fps is somewhat overkill, as we would still perceive it as fluid motion at 24 or even 18 fps. That said, the eye and brain can process images faster than that. How much is a matter of some debate. http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:51:04] <NotSanguine> I see your point, but "real time" in the vernacular refers to things happening, in timescales we can observe with out senses, at once. That wasn't even close.
[19:49:27] <takyon> I would have been kinder to the real time claim if they had taken more than 2 frames
[19:48:48] <NotSanguine> Unless you're talking about looking at frame 1 and then looking at frame 17029440000 and calling it "real time"
[19:48:38] <takyon> even the events happening in the same room you're in aren't real time due to the speed of light
[19:47:27] <NotSanguine> So, yes. It is *much* different from 30fps video.
[19:46:58] <NotSanguine> Which is why, after reading the BBC article, I relegated it a mention at the end.
[19:46:22] <NotSanguine> It also fails because the observations were not continuous or even contiguous
[19:45:50] <NotSanguine> The situation fails the definiion. It's not real time because what was observed happened 4268 and 4251 years ago.
[19:44:41] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Real time - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[19:44:40] <NotSanguine> http://www.merriam-webster.com
[19:41:50] <takyon> if you watch 30 fps video of something, is that "real time"? Is 18 year gap of a cosmological scale process so different than 30 fps? But then if you look at the photos there's a damn large change between the two images, so that pretty much invalidates the hyperbole
[19:41:39] <NotSanguine> Just hyperbole from the BBC. Which is why I didn't use it as the source
[19:41:12] <NotSanguine> Since the protostar is 4250 LY away and the observations used for comparison were taken 18 years apart, real time? Not so much
[19:40:36] <takyon> well you know I spent a good 3-4 minutes thinking about that
[19:40:07] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Wiki: Protostar
[19:40:07] <takyon> don't fall down the rabbit hole
[19:40:07] <NotSanguine> and the comment is blatantly false too. http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:39:04] <NotSanguine> The same wiki editor added a link to the new page on the page for Protostars too.
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[19:37:05] <takyon> too bad wikipedia culture is toxic
[19:36:45] <janrinok> thx - almost bed time for me
[19:36:34] <NotSanguine> Have a good evening janrinok
[19:36:15] <NotSanguine> he/she seems to be trying to make a name for themselves on wikipedia. Which could explain the creation of the page. They saw the article and noticed that it didn't exist so they created it
[19:36:03] <janrinok> I'll leave it all in your capable hands, lol - cu tomorrow
[19:35:21] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Wiki: User:Pol098
[19:35:21] <NotSanguine> If you read the blurb on the creator of the page http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:34:37] <NotSanguine> I guess that's not too surprising, given that it's new research. In fact, the paper and the BBC article are the only references.
[19:33:27] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Wiki: W75N(B)-VLA2: Revision history
[19:33:26] <takyon> http://en.wikipedia.org(B)-VLA2&action=history
[19:31:08] <NotSanguine> Actually, I didn't notice that. Let me take a look.
[19:30:55] <NotSanguine> I wrote it just for you. :)
[19:30:15] <takyon> NotSanguine: I like how the wikipedia article for the protostar was created after I submitted the story
[19:27:56] <NotSanguine> takyon: nice catch there. Thanks!
[19:26:07] <janrinok> k
[19:25:58] * takyon atomic force microscopy wikipedia link added to malaria article
[19:19:41] <janrinok> good - I like that
[19:18:47] <takyon> condensed URL on Netflix story, added second URL to older Ars story
[19:14:43] <janrinok> damn fingers typing what they want and not what I thought they had been told...!
[19:14:40] <takyon> ok
[19:14:18] <janrinok> it isn't*
[19:13:56] <janrinok> each time the story is 'updated' it will count as a signoff. You can have many signoffs, it is a big deal
[19:13:17] <janrinok> if it is your story you can change it as often as you like
[19:12:37] <janrinok> If you are the second editor to look at a story and press either save or update, it will 2nd ed that story
[19:11:56] <takyon> if I save a change to a story, does that always count as a "signoff"?
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[17:49:18] <janrinok> juggs: ping
[17:49:13] <janrinok> ping juggs
[17:35:23] <CoolHand> yep.. nice
[17:35:12] <NotSanguine> as to playing on the movie title, did you check the dept?
[17:35:12] <CoolHand> janrinok: I see you found out about takyon in #chillax, so I won't answer you here.. otherwise, I would, though.. ;)
[17:34:33] <NotSanguine> Thank you kindly sir.
[17:33:32] <CoolHand> I think it looks good... I'll green it for u
[17:32:55] <CoolHand> ah, didn't think of it playing on the film title that way for caps
[17:32:55] <NotSanguine> Coolhand: I guess I'm done, unless you have any suggestions
[17:31:42] <NotSanguine> coolhand: thanks. Since 'A' is a reference to the films, I thought it appropriate to keep it capitalized. I'll lc 'is'
[17:29:21] <CoolHand> s/lowerce/lowercase
[17:29:12] <CoolHand> although u should lowerce the 'a', 'as', and 'is', I believe..
[17:28:49] <CoolHand> I like the title though, it's cute.. :)
[17:28:34] * CoolHand doesn't normaly find tities snarky
[17:20:39] <NotSanguine> Editors: I'm working on the new star story. I changed the titie -- is it too snarky?
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[14:29:27] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I gotta run off to work, but I sent you an email...
[14:28:59] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: afternoon to you
[14:24:03] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: g'mornin
[14:21:27] <janrinok> hi Azrael
[14:21:06] <janrinok> I notice that takyon is posting to the story queue. Has he joined the editorial team?
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[13:22:39] <CoolHand> cool...
[13:21:45] <janrinok> I'm just beginning to watch rss-bot so that I can sub a few stories
[13:21:09] <janrinok> hi CoolHand
[13:20:03] <CoolHand> hey janrinok
[13:10:42] <janrinok> hi guys
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[06:30:18] <mrcoolbp> g'night
[06:29:57] <takyon> night
[06:28:54] <mrcoolbp> takyon ^
[06:28:48] <mrcoolbp> taokay, I have to email StoneyMahoney (wantkitteh) cause I haven't done that yet, then I'm off to bed. Have a great night!
[06:28:21] <mrcoolbp> no real hard limits but go with 1-1.5hrs all the way to 2-3 hrs
[06:28:01] <takyon> k
[06:27:52] <mrcoolbp> takyon: we do slow down nighttime US, and on the weekends but it depends on what we have for story-fodder
[06:27:16] <takyon> I don't usually see much from midnight to 4am
[06:27:08] <takyon> are there hours where we don't run stories
[06:26:53] <mrcoolbp> = )
[06:26:50] <takyon> ok
[06:26:42] <mrcoolbp> that's what they are used to doing
[06:26:36] <mrcoolbp> takyon: my point was, it's prolly better if you throw it in where it "should" go, so all they have to do is check display
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[06:26:06] <takyon> or just put it in a correct time slot that's one year off, that might be more entertaining
[06:26:02] <mrcoolbp> but you'd be surprised, editors come in and check stuff randomly, even if they aren't in #editorial
[06:25:39] <mrcoolbp> that's fine too
[06:25:28] <takyon> yeah I will be using the 12:00 1-2 days from submit technique unless I have confidence about a time slot
[06:25:19] <Bender> karma - takyon: 1
[06:25:19] <mrcoolbp> takyon++
[06:25:14] <mrcoolbp> and it's green
[06:23:58] * mrcoolbp notes that it makes sense why you did that time to allow other editors to check
[06:23:41] <mrcoolbp> takyon: get in the habit of throwing it in proper place in the queue (even though it may not go out due to non-display)
[06:23:17] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'm going to adjust the time
[06:22:41] * mrcoolbp checks "display" and puts it out
[06:22:13] <takyon> done
[06:21:30] <mrcoolbp> takyon: there's lots of names though, should we just say "According to the article" ?
[06:20:53] <mrcoolbp> perfect, I'll run it
[06:19:53] <mrcoolbp> k
[06:19:48] <takyon> try that
[06:19:10] <mrcoolbp> but I usually edit in html
[06:18:55] <mrcoolbp> http://www.learning-technologist.net
[06:18:40] <mrcoolbp> takyon: there is a WYSIWYG greasemonkey script....
[06:18:19] <mrcoolbp> takyon: great idea!
[06:18:15] <mrcoolbp> BTW I have to go to bed in a few min, but wanted to check in before I disapeared for 15 hours, I go email-only when at work
[06:18:05] <takyon> i'm tempted to make a script that automatically adds newlines between paragraph tags
[06:17:11] * mrcoolbp was going to offer but happily awaits
[06:16:55] <mrcoolbp> sure
[06:16:50] <takyon> here, i'll do it and you tell me what you think
[06:15:31] <mrcoolbp> takyon ^
[06:15:28] <mrcoolbp> but the line is decently written, how about we roll it before the quote, as an introduction?
[06:15:07] <mrcoolbp> takyon: sure, I see that a bit
[06:14:46] <takyon> it was repetition from what was already in the blockquote
[06:13:16] <mrcoolbp> takyon: question though, any reason you removed "Colaprete theorizes that if the same processes are at work in other parts of the solar system, these techniques could provide a way to remotely characterize the surfaces of other celestial bodies." ?
[06:12:15] <mrcoolbp> takyon: approving the other story now
[06:10:03] <mrcoolbp> looks like NS already checked one
[06:09:39] <mrcoolbp> I'll glance before I turn in for the night
[06:05:15] <takyon> i've pushed two stories
[06:05:09] <takyon> yeah it checks out
[06:04:39] <mrcoolbp> Wired, or CNN or whatever, so I think you are right
[06:04:17] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I don't remember what I specifically said about italics, but we should follow conventions in these cases (I refer to conventions in writing, but my background is college writing classes mostly and associated academic manuals of style). Speaking of conventions, we don't tend to italicize
[06:01:47] * mrcoolbp has to go to bed but sees he was pinged
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[05:36:20] <NotSanguine> 'night
[05:36:13] * NotSanguine is way too enamored of the '/me' function
[05:35:56] * NotSanguine slowly fades into the background
[05:35:17] <NotSanguine> Once again, welcome aboard and don't hesitate to ping me if I can help
[05:35:14] <takyon> good night
[05:34:56] <NotSanguine> With that, it's past my bedtime Takyon.
[05:34:43] <NotSanguine> And thank you.
[05:34:31] <NotSanguine> If you think it will benefit the community, go for it. That's (at least in my mind) the best goal for the editors
[05:33:43] <NotSanguine> I screwed up my own home page. Lovely.
[05:33:37] <takyon> I'll give your story the breath of life
[05:33:04] <takyon> #htrtps
[05:33:01] <NotSanguine> Yes?
[05:32:54] <NotSanguine> So go ahead and submit it. I'll take a look at it in the morning.
[05:32:54] <takyon> it looks great already except
[05:32:09] <NotSanguine> YOu could always edit the moon story from my favorite submitter. :)
[05:31:40] <NotSanguine> One of the issues, I think, is that since SN is a smaller community, there are a commensurately smaller group of scientists and those interested in science.
[05:31:06] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Star's birth glimpsed 'in real time' - BBC News
[05:31:04] <takyon> it's time for another space submission: http://www.bbc.com
[05:30:35] <NotSanguine> I submit what interests me. if there's a good discussion, great. If not, those who are also interested have some links to follow. Either way, there's benifit, IMHO
[05:29:27] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03SN comment by [02fliptop (1666)] (02Score:4, Interesting)
[05:29:26] <NotSanguine> https://soylentnews.org
[05:27:53] <takyon> I'd like to see the technology, biology, space, etc. stories get a bit more attention
[05:27:17] * NotSanguine tries to dig it up
[05:27:09] <NotSanguine> That's true. There was actually a discussion about that in an article I submitted a month or so back.
[05:26:42] <takyon> politics/global warming guarantees a nice flamewar. Civil/digital liberty and surveillance gets a lot of discussion (and I specialize in those stories)
[05:26:19] <NotSanguine> Which is, of course, why we all need to lean on each other -- to catch the mistakes we can.
[05:26:04] <takyon> topic wise it seems the science and tech stories are hit and miss on whether they spark a nice discussion
[05:25:47] <NotSanguine> That happens. I can't speak for anyone else, but all we can do is our best. And we will make mistakes. That's part of being people
[05:24:49] <NotSanguine> A good point. I find that looking at other editors' work helps me a lot. Not so much from a style perspective, but from a "what will spark a good discussion" standpoint
[05:24:32] <takyon> Since there's inevitably some cringeworthy mistake or two that slips through
[05:24:17] <takyon> If anything I want to catch a few errors before they hit the front page
[05:23:24] <takyon> Except that I start with a big block of crap and have to mould it like clay
[05:23:10] <takyon> It's not much different from when I was submitting stories
[05:22:53] <NotSanguine> Are you starting to get a feel for this?
[05:22:40] <NotSanguine> Anyway takyon, how is it going for you so far?
[05:21:49] * NotSanguine wonders if that's an offer
[05:21:35] <takyon> I know I do
[05:20:59] <NotSanguine> Then again, as a consultant, I was selling my knowledge and experience, so that sort of made me a sales guy....yuck. I think I need a shower. :)
[05:20:04] <takyon> sure
[05:19:49] <NotSanguine> IF that makes any sense
[05:19:25] <NotSanguine> Which left me free to recommend the *best* solution, not the one my employer was flogging
[05:18:39] <NotSanguine> Which is why, when I was working as a consultant, I liked working for firms that were not beholden to a particular vendor
[05:17:30] <NotSanguine> I want to use the best solution, not the *product* from the best sales person.
[05:16:59] <NotSanguine> Because I'm a solutions person.
[05:16:43] <takyon> how's that
[05:16:28] <NotSanguine> I suppose so. But if you're trying to hype one of those companies, you're barking up the wrong tree friend. :)
[05:15:46] <takyon> of course, a sales guy trying to push ads from inside Soylent would say that
[05:15:33] <NotSanguine> Good.
[05:15:28] <takyon> nah
[05:15:22] <NotSanguine> You're not a sales guy, are you?
[05:15:14] <NotSanguine> And why I hate sales guys.
[05:14:51] <NotSanguine> I know how that goes. I've worked for vendors
[05:14:50] <takyon> or Crossbar
[05:14:32] <takyon> like this other company I'm hyped about, Optalysys
[05:14:21] <takyon> well companies coming out of "stealth mode" like to carefully control the narrative and often have nothing in a form that anybody can test
[05:13:23] <NotSanguine> Reputable folks need to get their hands on the gear and do independent testing
[05:12:52] <takyon> since if it lives up to the hype it is a big deal... undercutting the next next-gen (H.266?) by a few years
[05:12:45] <NotSanguine> That's one of the problems with vendor testing. They make sure to put their best face forward. Even if they tell the truth, it may not be the *whole* truth
[05:12:21] <takyon> which is why I'm waiting for El Reg or somebody to cut through the bullshit on V-Nova
[05:11:21] <takyon> another problem with the V-Nova reporting is that there seems to be an agreement that it is capable of 7-8 Mbps 4K streaming, but then another source one ups that and says 4 Mbps! And there's a mention of how it might enable "4K 60 FPS" for consumers, so you get to wondering if 4 Mbps is for 2160p30 and 7-8 Mbps is for 2160p60
[05:10:58] <NotSanguine> Why do you say lazy?
[05:09:59] <takyon> I just got really lazy on that article
[05:09:56] * NotSanguine is looking at the Studio Daily article
[05:09:53] <takyon> no I like constructive criticism
[05:09:24] <NotSanguine> In any case, I hope I didn't put you off with my suggestions. It's good to have you here.
[05:09:08] <NotSanguine> Do they provide any data? Because it's the data that tells the story
[05:08:52] <takyon> I want a flat declaration that the codec is about 50% better than H.265/HEVC
[05:08:29] <takyon> that sentence kills the article for me
[05:08:19] <takyon> "claiming that testing shows compression gains of two to three times compared to H.264/AVC, H.265/HEVC"
[05:08:04] <takyon> from Studio Daily
[05:07:02] <NotSanguine> The Studio Daily and GTN News articles might be good
[05:06:11] <takyon> everywhere else other than Beeb
[05:05:47] <NotSanguine> So it's likely just a repackaged press release then?
[05:05:16] <NotSanguine> I just get the notification that I need to install Flash. Which I won't
[05:05:11] <takyon> I didn't watch the video but I'm sure it's not technical
[05:04:48] <takyon> it's a short blurb and autoplay video though
[05:04:36] <i_heart_beta> ^✓ 03V-Nova streaming tech produces 4K compression 'worth watching' - BBC News
[05:04:35] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03V-Nova streaming tech produces 4K...
[05:04:35] <NotSanguine> If you consider the BBC a "legit" source http://www.bbc.com
[05:04:34] <takyon> https://news.google.com
[05:03:49] <NotSanguine> Takyon is also now a publishing editor on SN. Congratulations and welcome aboard!
[05:03:31] <takyon> I wonder if a legit news source reported on V-Nova yet
[05:03:19] <takyon> there's all kinds of problems
[05:02:27] * takyon is New Media
[05:02:19] <NotSanguine> Those are the the kinds of things (as well as all the more banal editing tasks) to look out for IMHO
[05:01:41] <NotSanguine> MOre seriously, this story was a bit more complex since the submitter just threw it together without regard for sources.
[05:01:11] * NotSanguine is chuckling
[05:01:02] <takyon> for journalists and bloggers
[05:00:56] <takyon> they're the hot new gift
[05:00:10] <NotSanguine> Did I mention porcupines? :) :) :)
[04:59:50] <takyon> oh all those other links are copied from how Ars did it
[04:59:40] <NotSanguine> But like I said, it's your story. When you change the time, go ahead and check 'display' and I'll be the second sign off
[04:59:03] <NotSanguine> the wikipedia link shows me where you're going. I get it. It does make sense to me too -- for "New analysis" at least
[04:57:49] <takyon> I was greedy with the Ars one but Pew Research Center report is a full subject
[04:57:42] <NotSanguine> At this point, I recommend setting the release time to be after the latest story. Which is currently 04/03 14:55 UTC. We like to keep 1.5-1.75 hours between stories, so how about 16:43?
[04:56:55] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Wiki: Subject (grammar)
[04:56:55] <takyon> https://en.wikipedia.org(grammar)#Forms_of_the_subject
[04:55:31] <NotSanguine> Looks good. If it were me, I'd still trim the text in the links, but it's your story.
[04:54:14] <takyon> heheh refresh
[04:53:44] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[04:52:48] <takyon> okay
[04:52:43] <NotSanguine> Smart quotes, like Edith Keeler, must die!
[04:52:08] <takyon> right
[04:52:03] <takyon> “smartphone-dependent.” -> "smartphone-dependent."
[04:51:55] <NotSanguine> YOu mean smart quotes vs. regular quotation marks?
[04:51:43] <takyon> example:
[04:51:38] <takyon> how about you
[04:51:31] <takyon> I like to nuke any stylized quotes to the most basic ones
[04:51:13] <NotSanguine> Yes sir
[04:51:10] <takyon> one more thing
[04:51:07] <NotSanguine> My suggestions are just that. I'm not going to be offended if you go your own way. That's why you're an editor.
[04:50:15] <NotSanguine> As I said, it's your story. I always do that, but that's me. So do it as you think best
[04:49:29] <takyon> I've only really seen gewg_ bother with the ellipsis use. My past submissions mash things together with no indication that I've skipped paragraphs
[04:49:27] <NotSanguine> That lets folks know there is a break, but isn't as jarring as at the beginning of the paragraph
[04:49:02] <NotSanguine> Why not put it in between the two paragraphs
[04:48:39] <takyon> should I put my [...] at the beginning of a paragraph?
[04:48:31] * NotSanguine still hopes John Brodkin is raped by porcupines
[04:47:55] <takyon> question incoming
[04:47:51] <takyon> i found
[04:47:39] <NotSanguine> And the second quote is from a bullet point below the first chart...with the heading "Those with low household incomes..."
[04:46:09] <NotSanguine> Look at the "Key Themes" box on the first page of the Pew doc
[04:45:52] <takyon> somewhere there is an actual report that is probably 40 pages long
[04:45:31] <takyon> that could be the problem
[04:45:25] <takyon> you know, maybe they quoted from the report and not this summary of the report
[04:45:13] <NotSanguine> I hope John Brodkin is raped by porcupines
[04:45:11] <takyon> i'm ctrl+f 'ing on the Pew report
[04:44:57] <NotSanguine> Really?
[04:44:45] <takyon> the great thing about Ars' direct quotes from Pew is that they don't appear to exist in the form they quoted them
[04:43:45] <NotSanguine> I'm not going to go there, takyon. At least not right now.:)
[04:43:18] <takyon> we're all full of something
[04:42:50] <NotSanguine> So I'm full of it. I knew that already. Now you do too. :)
[04:42:28] <i_heart_beta> ^✓ 03Wiki: Story Style
[04:42:28] <NotSanguine> And is documented to be so at http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:41:21] <NotSanguine> Really? mrcoolbp is the boss man.
[04:40:52] <takyon> we don't italicize publications according to mrcoolbp
[04:40:31] <NotSanguine> And Since Ars Technica is a publication, I'd put the name in italics (<i>Ars Technica</i>)
[04:39:15] <NotSanguine> That's what you have in mind?
[04:39:10] <NotSanguine> Yes, Keep the Pew quotes in the first block (remove the quotation marks) and attribute it to the Pew Report (since we're already linking to it). Include the last sentence of the first block into the second block (attributed to Ars) and make sure to insert the hyperlink toe the CPI analysis.
[04:37:18] <takyon> and keep the latter half as is
[04:37:13] <takyon> "decimate" the first blockquote big time
[04:37:01] <takyon> move the Ars mention to the middle
[04:36:49] <takyon> here's what I want to do
[04:36:46] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[04:36:09] <NotSanguine> And don't worry, NCommander only comes to your house and shoots your dog if you mis-spell things. :)
[04:35:22] <NotSanguine> If you think my suggestions make sense, good. If not, I'm cool.
[04:33:27] <NotSanguine> You're going to be on the byline, so it should be the wy you want it.
[04:33:23] <takyon> I got a big blockquote of text and I'm going to carve it up
[04:32:49] <NotSanguine> and by his, I mean your way
[04:32:34] <takyon> 1sec
[04:32:30] * NotSanguine wants takyon to do it *his* way.
[04:31:53] <NotSanguine> I've only been at it for a few weeks, but it's rare to see submissions that are pretty much ready to go.
[04:30:26] <NotSanguine> I'm not trying to pile on here. Given what the submitter provided, you did a good job. At the same time, it's incumbent on us to make the stories *good* IMHO
[04:29:13] <NotSanguine> I use "Preview" a lot to see how it's going to look
[04:28:57] <NotSanguine> You get used to it. alternatively, you could just copy it out of the browser to a local editor and hack on it there?
[04:28:24] <NotSanguine> Yes. The whitespace thing is *really* annoying
[04:28:10] <NotSanguine> The bit about "Nearly all Americans live..." might also be good if you include the link to the Center for Public integrity as that's certainly relevant to the discussion.
[04:27:28] <takyon> I wish the editor preserved whitespace
[04:27:16] <takyon> i'll see
[04:26:11] <NotSanguine> Or is that too much?
[04:25:46] <NotSanguine> I think that should give everyone an idea of what's being presented (enough for those who barely read the TFS, let alone TFA)
[04:24:55] <NotSanguine> and go through "...40 percent went witout INternet service"
[04:24:29] <NotSanguine> Then quote Ars starting from "Racial breakdowns..."
[04:23:53] <NotSanguine> Perhaps take those two quotes from Pew and attributre them to the Pew report.
[04:23:38] <takyon> do you want me to just kill Ars and go right to the Pew report for this rewrite?
[04:23:17] <takyon> Pew does all the work for you really
[04:23:00] * NotSanguine thinks John Brodkin is a bad writer
[04:22:44] <NotSanguine> Any number less than 13 should be written out. The sentences before each quote are just paraphrases of the quote.
[04:21:54] <NotSanguine> Actually, this is a really crappily written article
[04:21:31] <NotSanguine> and then include the paragraph between the two Pew quotes: "Pew said that 7 percent of Americans..."
[04:21:01] <NotSanguine> I'd include the first sentence of the article "One out of every 10 Americans..."
[04:20:07] <NotSanguine> However,
[04:20:05] <NotSanguine> IF you're not going to quote the article, you might as well just quote it as the Pew Report.
[04:19:33] <NotSanguine> BOth quotes (they're not contiguous and you don't note that with ellipsis either) are actually from the Pew Report and none of the quote is from the actual Ars Article
[04:19:28] <takyon> I see a stylized quote mistake
[04:18:40] <NotSanguine> The other thing is the quotes from the article
[04:18:24] <NotSanguine> So mine sounds bad in it's own special way? That's sweet. :)
[04:18:03] <takyon> there are many ways for that headline to sound bad and I like yours better
[04:17:48] <takyon> yeah
[04:17:16] <NotSanguine> IS that better?
[04:16:47] <NotSanguine> Percent
[04:16:42] <NotSanguine> I'd s[pell out "ten percent" and maybe "Ten Persoence of Americans Have Internet Accdess Only Through Their Smartphones"
[04:16:30] <takyon> does the headline sound awkward to you
[04:15:48] <takyon> what's your take on the headline
[04:15:42] <NotSanguine> as in "ars technica has <a href=...>story> and pew research center <a href=...>report
[04:15:39] <takyon> but there's more pixels for the user to click on (kek)
[04:14:58] <NotSanguine> If it were me, I'd put the Ars Technica link test just "story" and the Pew report link just "report"
[04:13:58] <NotSanguine> A couple of nits
[04:13:36] <takyon> yeah
[04:09:12] * NotSanguine will comment when takyon returns
[04:07:20] <takyon> brb
[04:07:18] <takyon> done
[04:07:14] * NotSanguine is looking at takyon's story
[04:06:04] <NotSanguine> takyon: GO ahead and save it with 'display' unchecked and I'll take a look
[04:05:33] <takyon> I think I'm ready to pull the trigger. It's a very straightforward story
[04:03:18] * NotSanguine waves goodnight
[04:02:57] <cmn32480|sleeping> night kids
[04:02:32] <cmn32480|sleeping> I'll look in the queue in the morning, hoepfully w/ a better connection
[04:02:20] <NotSanguine> And don't forget to uncheck 'display'
[04:02:07] <NotSanguine> takyon: I'll stick around while you work on your story. IF you have questions and/or want me to look it over, just ask.
[04:01:45] <cmn32480|sleeping> and takyon, welcome aboard
[04:01:31] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|sleeping
[04:01:16] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: meow!
[04:01:09] * cmn32480 ducks
[04:01:06] <cmn32480> You scrub my back... I'll scrub yours
[04:00:52] <cmn32480> Anytime.
[04:00:47] <cmn32480> alright then
[04:00:46] <NotSanguine> And thanks.
[04:00:34] <NotSanguine> soap? Never!
[04:00:30] * NotSanguine scoffs
[04:00:16] <cmn32480> you do the same. And for crimon'ys sake... pleae use soap this time
[03:59:38] <NotSanguine> 'night cmn32480. Don't forget to towel off well. ;)
[03:59:21] <NotSanguine> That's a good one too, although the other one was submitted by a much more fabulous guy
[03:59:14] <cmn32480> the connection here is shit tonight. I think I am gonna hit the sack
[03:58:42] <takyon> it's easy because it's full of facts
[03:58:30] <takyon> i'm on the 10% internet story
[03:58:26] <i_heart_beta> ^ 0304SN Submission by NotSanguine: A Tale of Two Tails: The Moon Has Trailing Dust Trails
[03:58:25] <NotSanguine> Perhaps this one? https://soylentnews.org
[03:58:04] <NotSanguine> Takyon: Perhaps you might want to look at something that won't require as much work for your first story?
[03:57:51] <cmn32480> that MB is a sweet looking car
[03:56:54] <NotSanguine> I'm not so convinced that Uber will be a real player, but the various players (Google, Uber, Tesla, Mercedes, etc.) probably merit a mention
[03:55:47] <NotSanguine> Is more about info than eye candy. And more interesting, IMHO
[03:55:26] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03 ( http://www.nytimes.com )
[03:55:25] <NotSanguine> This video http://www.nytimes.com
[03:54:52] <takyon> since a lot of groups are working on the technology now, including Uber
[03:54:40] <takyon> the reason I mention it is because musk has made some predictions of when he wanted to release an autonomous car or how autonomous he wanted it to be (90%) but he may have changed his tune
[03:54:29] <NotSanguine> takyon: IF I could suggest grabbing the first two paragraphs of the Forbes story, then include the quotes from the submitter
[03:53:32] <NotSanguine> Takyon looks like a good link to include
[03:52:08] <cmn32480> obviously Hilton dones't wnat me working on anythgin
[03:52:02] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03My self-driving cars may lead to human driver ban, says Tesla's Musk • The Register
[03:52:01] <takyon> before the tesla update thingy there was this remark: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:51:51] <cmn32480> I relinquish the Tesla story
[03:51:42] -!- mode/#editorial [+v cmn32480] by SkyNet
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[03:50:17] <NotSanguine> takyon: Sounds like we need to make it a hatchet piece then. :)
[03:49:42] <takyon> according to my records I haven't cared about autonomous cars for 10 days, and musk for 3
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[03:48:37] <cmn32480> yes, I agree the tesla storyis pretty bare
[03:48:25] * mrcoolbp is going AFK for a bit
[03:48:24] <cmn32480> stupid hotel connection
[03:48:00] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: the videos are cool, but you gotta find a good video
[03:47:59] <NotSanguine> Am I overwhelming you with this takyon?
[03:47:56] -!- mode/#editorial [+v cmn32480] by SkyNet
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[03:47:40] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03F 015 Luxury in Motion Concept Car | Mercedes-Benz
[03:47:40] <NotSanguine> http://www.mbusa.com
[03:47:29] <mrcoolbp> er bitte
[03:47:03] <mrcoolbp> bite
[03:46:57] <NotSanguine> Danke
[03:46:45] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: search Mercedez F 015
[03:46:26] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: link please
[03:46:03] <mrcoolbp> thing is crazy
[03:45:53] <mrcoolbp> Guys: you might want to drop in something about that new mercedez concept if you are expanding on the future of cars
[03:45:40] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03SN article: Elon Musk Claims Self-Driving Teslas Coming this Summer via an Over-the-Air Update 04(12 comments)
[03:45:39] <NotSanguine> https://soylentnews.org
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[03:44:50] <NotSanguine> Or is that too ambitious?
[03:43:39] <NotSanguine> As to the Tesla story, it seems kind of bare. I think it needs more content from the Forbes piece, as well as some linkage to Tesla's (perhaps our own story about it) announcement of their "self-driving" tech. What do you guys think?
[03:43:24] <cmn32480> you can't say you wern't warned
[03:43:16] <cmn32480> I told you we are a bit twisted
[03:42:59] <takyon> hooboy can't wait for my roast
[03:41:55] <NotSanguine> Check that out takyon...and you'll begin to understand
[03:41:43] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03SN comment by [02NotSanguine (285)] (02Score:5, Funny)
[03:41:42] <NotSanguine> https://soylentnews.org
[03:41:37] <NotSanguine> Sorry cmn32480, I'm going to clue takyon in...
[03:41:37] * cmn32480 read editorial guidelines
[03:41:18] <cmn32480> we're shower buddies
[03:41:13] <cmn32480> and he woudl never lie to me
[03:41:08] <cmn32480> NotSanguine told me so
[03:40:43] <cmn32480> we are just follwoing the rules
[03:40:34] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp... it is in the editor guidelines
[03:40:16] <mrcoolbp> here we go with the shower jokes again...
[03:40:16] * NotSanguine suggests that cmn32480 holds on to *this*
[03:40:04] <mrcoolbp> takyon: we can post a "welcom takyon" article when we get the "2nd check" from janrinok I suppose, though I may forget
[03:39:39] <cmn32480> no leaning on each other in the shower NotSanguine... that is how people slip and fall
[03:39:25] <takyon> yeye
[03:39:16] <mrcoolbp> okay I'll shutup now and let you guys do your thing, ping me if you need me, lean on eachother etc.
[03:39:12] <takyon> Musk is one prolific tweeter
[03:39:01] <cmn32480> both of you
[03:38:53] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:38:51] <mrcoolbp> ^with me
[03:38:44] <cmn32480> agreed
[03:38:38] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Elon Musk tweets, Tesla shares leap - MarketWatch
[03:38:37] <takyon> like this: http://www.marketwatch.com
[03:38:34] <takyon> there's really tons of Tesla news to choose from
[03:38:27] <mrcoolbp> what a cool community we have
[03:38:11] * mrcoolbp is so happy to see 3 brand new editors all acting like senior EiCs
[03:37:54] <cmn32480> I was actually looking into adding a line on the 2 April Fools Jokes that Tesla published
[03:37:53] <NotSanguine> no display stories come up in gray on the story queue, just so you know.
[03:37:44] <takyon> I'm feeling a strong sense of ambiguity about this article
[03:37:25] <mrcoolbp> lol
[03:37:15] <cmn32480> Yes dad
[03:37:10] <NotSanguine> Don't forgewt to uncheck "Display" takyon
[03:37:08] <cmn32480> notsanguine, no I have not
[03:36:53] <NotSanguine> takyon, cmn32480: neither of you have saved the story yet I see (that makes it go into the story queue, takyon)
[03:36:50] <takyon> yeah I see you +cmn32480
[03:36:43] <mrcoolbp> and ^
[03:36:38] <cmn32480> if thye are currently in a story, it will show how long they have been in it
[03:36:37] <mrcoolbp> takyon ^
[03:36:21] <cmn32480> you see the list of staff usernames at the bottom?
[03:36:14] <takyon> boy I don't like forbes
[03:35:58] <takyon> phew
[03:35:44] <NotSanguine> Yes. that's the correct way to do it, takyon.
[03:35:41] <cmn32480> for instance, I am currentlyl editing the Tesla story
[03:35:24] <mrcoolbp> ^^^^^
[03:35:17] <cmn32480> takyon - Check the bottom of the screen to see who is already in a story
[03:34:51] <cmn32480> interesting... my pet bird is Remington Steele
[03:34:49] <mrcoolbp> takyon: do you know how to do that?
[03:34:43] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: check in admin interface = )
[03:34:39] <takyon> I'm looking at the tesla factor story
[03:34:30] <NotSanguine> Takyon: What are you working on now?
[03:34:01] <NotSanguine> His name is Barnaby Jones
[03:33:49] <NotSanguine> that's my bird.
[03:33:44] * NotSanguine laughs
[03:33:27] <cmn32480> I don 't like the way you are looking at the gnome's ass...
[03:32:12] <NotSanguine> Not the best one of me, but at least I'm smiling
[03:31:48] <NotSanguine> http://thatisinsane.net
[03:31:46] * NotSanguine shares a photo
[03:31:42] <mrcoolbp> there ya go
[03:31:36] <takyon> I'll break it one story at a time
[03:31:32] <mrcoolbp> prolly
[03:31:26] <cmn32480> bet you find a red swingline after the fire is out!
[03:31:22] <takyon> you haven't seen the full extent of my madness
[03:31:22] <mrcoolbp> takyon: the admin bar can be daunting: try not to break the site, kay?
[03:31:04] <cmn32480> I mean, really, Notsanguine, me and coolhand, we are all a tiny bit twisted
[03:31:02] * mrcoolbp waits for site to burn down
[03:30:50] <mrcoolbp> I know what you guys are capable of
[03:30:24] <cmn32480> If I was mrcoolbp, I'd be more worried that we were helping takyon
[03:30:07] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 3
[03:30:07] <mrcoolbp> teamwork++
[03:30:03] <mrcoolbp> thanks guys
[03:29:56] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: don't worry, we'll help takyon as we can
[03:29:53] <cmn32480> takyon - don't believe a word she says
[03:29:14] <NotSanguine> In fact, NotSanguine's ass has its own zip code -- and not just a zip+4
[03:29:00] <takyon> I wish whitespace was preserved when previewing a story
[03:28:29] * NotSanguine is a 25 year-old brunette chick with 38C boobs and and ass that just won't quit.
[03:28:00] <cmn32480> <shudder>
[03:27:55] <cmn32480> you've never seen NotSanguine...
[03:27:54] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: I know. Just giving you a hard time.
[03:27:41] * mrcoolbp likes boobs so thats a compliment actually
[03:27:25] <cmn32480> bette then him calling you a boob
[03:27:24] * NotSanguine likes to bust mrcoolbp's chops
[03:27:20] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: it's all relative = )
[03:27:12] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:27:06] * NotSanguine is offended that mrcoolbp called him a noob.
[03:27:02] <cmn32480> nah... let him wonder
[03:26:47] <cmn32480> yes Boss
[03:26:31] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine, cmn32480: you guys are noobs but you are doing fine, feel free to give his stories a 2nd-check and re-diplay them
[03:26:24] * NotSanguine wonders if we should we let takyon in on the joke?
[03:26:05] <cmn32480> OH BABY
[03:25:56] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: You're welcome and I'm ready for that shower now. ;)
[03:25:56] <takyon> ok
[03:25:47] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you can first-edit stories as long as they are all non-display until I hear from janrinok
[03:25:16] * NotSanguine is releasing the story now
[03:25:16] <mrcoolbp> takyon: okay, still waiting on janrinok as he's likely asleep BUT...
[03:25:04] * NotSanguine put the period inside the quotation marks where it belongs
[03:24:45] * NotSanguine found a period outside quotation marks at ...sources such as system pointers and mouse movements".
[03:22:37] <takyon> capitalize "the" in "The Register"
[03:21:55] <cmn32480> please and Thank you Notsanguine
[03:20:36] * NotSanguine checking links and proofing the truecrypt story one last time
[03:19:49] <cmn32480> yes
[03:19:46] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: yours is the truecrypt story, yes?
[03:19:42] <cmn32480> now.. I am going to look for some picnic baskets
[03:19:42] * mrcoolbp goes back to his emailin'
[03:19:36] * mrcoolbp is not following this channel and only saw that one thing
[03:19:27] <NotSanguine> Thanks, Yogi
[03:19:22] <NotSanguine> I agree, but that doesn't mean your assistance doesn't merit comment.
[03:19:18] <mrcoolbp> = )
[03:19:15] <cmn32480> all over again
[03:19:11] <mrcoolbp> dejavu
[03:18:55] <cmn32480> we work together and succeed, or fail as individuals
[03:18:42] <cmn32480> no problem
[03:18:36] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: thanks for your help sir. It's much appreciated
[03:17:44] <takyon> 3/24/2015: Bbc.com: LHC restart: Short circuit slows preparations - The rebooted Large Hadron Collider is facing a delay of days or even weeks, after a short circuit was detected in one of its powerful electromagnets.
[03:17:39] <NotSanguine> *that
[03:17:39] <takyon> 3/20/2015: Bbc.com: LHC restart 'not before Wednesday': Run Two of the Large Hadron Collider is set to ramp up next week but beams will not go full circle before Wednesday, according to scientists at Cern.
[03:17:38] <cmn32480> or was this based on the 4/1 joke about it being broken beyond repair?
[03:17:33] <NotSanguine> The way the links go, it looks like a dupe, but it may be the CERN just used the same URL for their update press release
[03:17:28] <takyon> I've got this in my "records"
[03:17:21] <cmn32480> is the new atrticle more of an update?
[03:17:03] <cmn32480> ?? somebody clue me in?
[03:16:51] <NotSanguine> Yeah. the dupe thing is a little strange.
[03:16:29] <NotSanguine> A shower? Hooray!
[03:16:22] <takyon> about the LHC dupe thing, there's been some delays and such this week
[03:16:18] <cmn32480> I'll second yours if you second mine... then I can take a shower
[03:15:58] <cmn32480> Notsanguine - run it.
[03:15:10] <cmn32480> takyon - just for background, I'm traveling a crapton for work this month. my availability is limited, and the internet connection makes me long for home.
[03:14:27] <NotSanguine> reload the story, the link for Docker should be there now
[03:14:14] <takyon> VMware is a more "household" name
[03:14:00] <takyon> I think a lot of people wouldn't know
[03:13:45] <cmn32480> shit this a/c unit is loud in this room
[03:13:20] <cmn32480> and I'm just way out of it?
[03:13:14] <cmn32480> is this common knowledge?
[03:12:56] <cmn32480> the tech thingie was the confusing part
[03:12:55] <NotSanguine> Just kidding. Docker is a "containerization" technology which are essentially mini-VMs
[03:12:43] <cmn32480> i knew about the clothing thing
[03:12:26] <takyon> a clothing brand and some tech thing
[03:12:24] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: found a few minor typos fixing. I'll include a link to "The Gap" for Dockers
[03:11:59] <cmn32480> WTF are Dockers?
[03:11:36] <cmn32480> Notsanguine - 2 things - fix the release time
[03:10:26] <cmn32480> Notsanguine - lemme look at it
[03:09:57] <cmn32480> the Phase II link shoudl make that pretty clear
[03:09:39] <cmn32480> stupid crappy hotel internet connection
[03:09:32] <cmn32480> I can't get inot the pdf
[03:09:28] <NotSanguine> takyon: I'd have to check, but IIRC yes it was just the Windows version
[03:08:56] <takyon> about the truecrypt article, is it true that the audit was only for the Windows version? I missed that detail
[03:08:51] <NotSanguine> Anyway, I cleaned it up as much as I could. Saving it now. If you think it's still to biased, I'll kill it.
[03:08:51] * mrcoolbp goes to write email
[03:08:45] <mrcoolbp> thx
[03:08:41] <mrcoolbp> cool
[03:08:38] <takyon> ye
[03:08:24] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'll send you an email tomorrow, is it okay if I use your email that you registered on SN with?
[03:08:20] <cmn32480> I'm open to suggestion
[03:08:13] <cmn32480> takyon - take a look in the stories queue at the truecrypt story
[03:07:44] <cmn32480> good choice
[03:07:38] <takyon> I'm not doing anything on prod unless you tell me to
[03:06:57] <NotSanguine> The link in the submission is to jimprofit@gmail.com, which isn't the email he used to register.
[03:06:49] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'll write that email to janrinok now though
[03:06:44] <cmn32480> anybody got a quarter?
[03:06:21] <NotSanguine> Yeah. But since he actually is a registered user, not someone trying to appear to be a user but not I geuss we can give him the benefit of the doubt?
[03:06:17] <cmn32480> possibly pull the link from the username?
[03:06:07] <mrcoolbp> i think
[03:06:04] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: that's around a month or 2
[03:05:31] <cmn32480> pretty recent
[03:05:29] <mrcoolbp> takyon: so I'm going to ammend my previous decision: no 1st editing until we get you approved, is that kosher?
[03:05:18] <NotSanguine> uid 4860
[03:05:17] <takyon> I've got the special bar
[03:05:16] <NotSanguine> Interestingly, the email he used doesn't match the email he registered this
[03:05:06] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5188, owned by void
[03:05:05] <cmn32480> !uid
[03:04:58] <NotSanguine> he appears to be a fairly new user and this is his first submission.
[03:04:49] <takyon> do you need proofreading...?
[03:04:44] <mrcoolbp> takyon: reload prod
[03:04:32] <cmn32480> but takyon did much improve my Disney summary
[03:04:15] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you can help them with this stuff though
[03:04:07] <cmn32480> Correct
[03:04:02] <mrcoolbp> takyon: so I recommend not doing any 1st edits until we can get janrinok's approval and get a dev to rebuild the cache
[03:03:57] <NotSanguine> However, www.soylentnews.org/~jim+profit does
[03:03:48] <cmn32480> somebody please second the truecrypt story in the queue
[03:03:43] <NotSanguine> which doesn't exist.
[03:03:39] <NotSanguine> I checked before but used www.soylentnews.org/~jimprofit
[03:03:30] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I can give you privs BUT, 2nd editors will have to post as their own until we can rebuild the authors_cache
[03:03:19] <NotSanguine> Jim Profit is the name of an unpleasant meme
[03:02:58] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:02:55] <NotSanguine> I lied. He does exist
[03:02:55] * mrcoolbp is doing 230,498,234 things at once again
[03:02:37] <mrcoolbp> pls
[03:02:34] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: explain the issue once more for me real quick?
[03:02:17] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: nope the user doesn't exist
[03:02:16] <mrcoolbp> good point takyon, but he's kind of an exception, we can track his IPID
[03:01:58] <mrcoolbp> hm
[03:01:51] <takyon> * thinking back to impersonating gewg_
[03:01:48] <mrcoolbp> we don't
[03:01:46] <mrcoolbp> no
[03:01:26] <takyon> do we not let AC users submit as a name they make up or something
[03:01:01] <cmn32480> NotSanguine - the sub was NOT from an AC
[03:00:38] <cmn32480> I meant to type it inot a browser and forgot to change windows
[03:00:23] <mrcoolbp> takyon: sec
[03:00:21] <cmn32480> notsanguine - he actually exists
[03:00:20] * mrcoolbp tries to figure out whats going on
[03:00:01] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Jim Profit - SoylentNews User
[03:00:01] <cmn32480> http://soylentnews.org
[03:00:00] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480 ^
[02:59:46] <mrcoolbp> no use + as in The+Mighty+Buzzard
[02:59:41] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[02:59:41] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[02:59:33] <cmn32480> with a %20 if there is a space in it?
[02:59:08] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Username - SoylentNews User
[02:59:07] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[02:59:06] <cmn32480> for you... perhaps
[02:58:56] <mrcoolbp> easy
[02:58:50] <mrcoolbp> oh
[02:58:45] <mrcoolbp> ya
[02:58:39] <cmn32480> if a user name exists on the site
[02:58:31] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: gotta read, havne't been following secv
[02:58:16] <cmn32480> better question: mrcoolbp, how do we check?
[02:58:15] <mrcoolbp> lol
[02:58:12] <takyon> nope
[02:58:03] <mrcoolbp> takyon: remember what I was saying about the authors_cache?
[02:57:58] <cmn32480> Notsanguine - Does Jim Profit actually exist as a user on the site?
[02:57:33] <mrcoolbp> sec
[02:57:28] <NotSanguine> But as far as the submitter goes, how do you think I should deal with that?
[02:57:25] <takyon> i wnot abused it
[02:57:24] <mrcoolbp> takyon: okay there's one catch
[02:57:19] <cmn32480> where your work will be judged not only by your peers, but those smarter than you, dumber than you, and anonymous cowards who just want to make you squirm
[02:57:04] <takyon> yes give me ultimate power
[02:57:03] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: Okay. I'm going to clean it up some more and make it less hagiographic (is that a word? It is now!)
[02:56:34] <cmn32480> the live site
[02:56:30] <cmn32480> production
[02:56:21] <takyon> what's prod, a form of bdsm?
[02:56:07] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[02:56:01] <i_heart_beta> ^* 03Death Grips - Takyon (Death Yon) - YouTube
[02:56:01] <takyon> soothing music for editing: https://www.youtube.com
[02:55:58] <mrcoolbp> takyon: what do you say, want privs on prod? you can help them with their current task!
[02:55:02] <cmn32480> interesting topic
[02:55:00] <mrcoolbp> these guys that we are talking around just learned this stuff days ago and are already collaborating communicating and asking when they have questions, you guys will all make a great teanm
[02:54:53] <cmn32480> notsanguine: roll the dice and post it
[02:54:20] <mrcoolbp> counts as a 2nd check
[02:54:19] <cmn32480> posting to the story queue si the first vote
[02:54:12] <mrcoolbp> takyon: meh, any other editor can decide to display them
[02:53:52] <cmn32480> I'm rereading., w/ links
[02:53:47] <takyon> if you un-display your story do you not count as 1 of the 2 votes
[02:53:44] <cmn32480> dmanit... stupoid fingers
[02:53:37] <cmn32480> notsanguine
[02:53:24] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: I can also gin it up a little better to be more skeptical of the claims
[02:53:18] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'm considering giving you editor privs if you un-display all your stories
[02:52:59] <takyon> and clarification on the FCC bit
[02:52:52] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: I think it might spark an interesting discussion of virtualization/containerization technologies. Or not
[02:52:39] <mrcoolbp> takyon: actually
[02:52:32] <takyon> AtDisneyAgain.com -> AtDisneyAgain. "dissection... to get a look at the components" -> "teardown". Wikipedia agrees that "teardown" is a word.
[02:52:31] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'm going to send to janrinok for review, but I personally would make you and editor based on that
[02:52:10] * cmn32480 is thinking
[02:52:09] <mrcoolbp> yeah I might have been trickey on that one, I was much more cogniscent that day then I am right now
[02:51:58] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: or do you disagree?
[02:51:49] <mrcoolbp> takyon:= )
[02:51:37] <takyon> I expanded the quote to give it more context. I guess you retyped the quote because I just copied and pasted from the Wired article to fix the punctuation/etc. changes in it
[02:51:00] <mrcoolbp> and noticed LOTS of re-wording
[02:50:49] <mrcoolbp> and noticed the in-line link changes
[02:50:40] <NotSanguine> And could be a welcome technical respite from a lot of the political stories
[02:50:38] <mrcoolbp> yeah I noticed the camelcase
[02:50:36] <takyon> it's what I perceive as correct
[02:50:30] <takyon> "all the guest has to do" integrated into the sentence. list of things to do with it sentence fixed.
[02:50:21] <mrcoolbp> takyon: is "$1 billion" correct? (seems better than the orignal)
[02:49:53] <NotSanguine> Under other circumstances I would agree with you cmn32480, but merging Docker, Solaris zones, ZFS and KVM is pretty cool.
[02:49:21] <takyon> $1 Billion dollars -> $1 billion. All instances of Magicband -> MagicBand. awkward rolling out sentence changed. "Based on the an RFID" -> "Containing an RFID". "gHz" -> "GHz".
[02:49:12] <mrcoolbp> that was a fail
[02:49:08] <mrcoolbp> er uh...
[02:48:56] <NotSanguine> But the question I had is that since it's really an AC, should we allow the submitter to pretend to be a tired meme?
[02:48:53] <mrcoolbp> tatakyon: I'll look again
[02:48:03] <cmn32480> I think w dump it as a slahshvertisment
[02:47:38] <takyon> "An article blah blah" instead of "Wired"
[02:47:30] <NotSanguine> biased
[02:47:28] <takyon> month -> month's. linked to
[02:47:25] <NotSanguine> I made it less so. It was much more biaed before
[02:47:12] <cmn32480> everybody stop talking about him/her
[02:47:05] <takyon> yo
[02:47:03] <cmn32480> Takyon is here
[02:47:01] <NotSanguine> Welcom Takyon
[02:46:57] <cmn32480> definetly reads like a slashvertisement
[02:46:54] <mrcoolbp> hey
[02:46:51] -!- takyon [takyon!~48d82d7d@bi31-970-11-641.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #editorial
[02:46:50] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: rofl
[02:46:44] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: take a look and ping me if you have questions or whatever
[02:46:41] <NotSanguine> Enable your time stabilizers, everyone!
[02:46:19] <mrcoolbp> incoming takyon
[02:46:11] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Jim Profit | Know Your Meme
[02:46:10] <NotSanguine> http://knowyourmeme.com
[02:45:59] <NotSanguine> I cleaned it up quite a bit, but the submitter is "Jim Profit" and AFAICT is not an SN user
[02:45:26] <NotSanguine> Or at least a Joyent fanboi
[02:45:18] <cmn32480> can he spell better than the rest of us?
[02:45:16] <NotSanguine> The submission is pretty clearly a PR bit from JOyent
[02:44:53] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:44:50] <mrcoolbp> he's like you guys, he catches on quik
[02:44:33] <mrcoolbp> k
[02:44:30] <NotSanguine> I'm working the "Datacenter as Docker Host" story.
[02:44:29] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: still here, takyon will be great on this team
[02:44:16] <cmn32480> whoat's on your mind NotSanguine?
[02:44:03] <cmn32480> yup
[02:43:54] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp, cmn32480: you guys still around?
[02:20:56] <mrcoolbp> night CoolHand!
[02:19:30] <cmn32480> night Coolhand
[02:19:24] <CoolHand> well, I'm off to bed guys... good luck
[02:19:04] <mrcoolbp> aye
[02:19:03] <cmn32480> poor bastard
[02:18:53] <cmn32480> ahhh.... suckering in some more, huh?
[02:18:43] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: he's our next recruit
[02:18:40] <cmn32480> will do
[02:18:27] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah nix the caution though: here's a link [PDF]
[02:18:24] <cmn32480> the summary from takyon is the best written
[02:17:57] <mrcoolbp> line
[02:17:55] <mrcoolbp> anyway, so you could write a sentence that has all links in linke
[02:17:54] <cmn32480> I prefer the [CAUTION PDF]
[02:17:39] <mrcoolbp> maybe if it's something short etc.
[02:17:38] <cmn32480> agreed.
[02:17:30] <mrcoolbp> like when it's the link to us.gov/some pdf
[02:17:09] <mrcoolbp> only in specific cases ^
[02:17:01] * mrcoolbp hates full url links for some reason
[02:16:54] <mrcoolbp> maybe in a sentence
[02:16:48] <mrcoolbp> then include the links
[02:16:42] <mrcoolbp> my idea would be firstling: 3 submitters wrote in about truecrypt
[02:16:24] <cmn32480> agreed
[02:16:16] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I would only add the links in once
[02:16:04] <cmn32480> does that matter, or can we just let it roll mostly as is?
[02:16:02] <mrcoolbp> that's okay, we can come up with a way to handle that
[02:15:48] <cmn32480> these three all have the same links
[02:15:32] <mrcoolbp> just gotta format/proofread etc.
[02:15:20] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah, it can be a little more work, BUT I find that you can let the submitters stand on their own more
[02:13:28] <cmn32480> editing 3 stories into 1 is a little different.
[02:13:23] <NotSanguine> I'm working the "Docker" story, btw
[02:12:59] <cmn32480> I'm working on it
[02:12:52] <cmn32480> still in submission queue
[02:12:41] <mrcoolbp> that makes sense then = )
[02:12:35] * mrcoolbp didn't find anything in Stories
[02:12:28] <mrcoolbp> oh
[02:12:21] <cmn32480> for the HTML in the editor, I mean
[02:12:06] * mrcoolbp looks
[02:12:03] <mrcoolbp> cool
[02:12:00] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: preserves my <CR> between PARs for organization
[02:11:58] <cmn32480> the merged story just has a big wall of text
[02:11:40] <cmn32480> oh... well then
[02:11:34] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: s'waht I do
[02:11:21] * mrcoolbp doesn't know how to do it, but it's mostly css I think
[02:11:17] <cmn32480> is it acceptable practice to copy all the html out to a text editor do my thign and paste it back?
[02:11:10] <mrcoolbp> we should make a guide to making a theme
[02:11:02] <mrcoolbp> I'm hoping future themes are created by users
[02:10:57] NotSanguine|pingme is now known as NotSanguine
[02:10:26] <cmn32480> if he stays happy, maybe he won't make any more pwnies type themes
[02:09:52] <cmn32480> I bet TMB is pleased
[02:09:07] <cmn32480> OOOOOO
[02:07:27] <mrcoolbp> for TMB
[02:07:22] * mrcoolbp made SN letterhead today
[02:07:01] <mrcoolbp> s'how this place works
[02:06:28] <cmn32480> we either work as a team and survive. OR don't and fail as individuals
[01:59:13] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 2
[01:59:13] <mrcoolbp> teamwork++
[01:59:06] <mrcoolbp> cool
[01:58:50] <cmn32480> I have merged in prod, and will put up for checking when I get done editing.
[01:57:50] <mrcoolbp> I said the same thing, no prob bro
[01:57:46] <cmn32480> Thank you mrcoolbp.
[01:57:44] <mrcoolbp> right?
[01:55:38] <cmn32480> given everythign else wihit slash, that was a lot easier then expected
[01:55:15] <cmn32480> and then display
[01:55:07] <cmn32480> so fix the stories first, merge them
[01:54:56] <cmn32480> TADA!
[01:54:51] <mrcoolbp> and now you know how to merge
[01:54:39] <mrcoolbp> yes, as expected we both got credit
[01:54:29] <cmn32480> what about you?
[01:54:23] <cmn32480> under my login, I see it as an accepted submission when I got o submit another story
[01:53:39] <cmn32480> it shows in the story queue
[01:53:38] <mrcoolbp> okay
[01:53:34] <cmn32480> done
[01:53:01] <mrcoolbp> as is
[01:52:58] <mrcoolbp> now just run it
[01:52:56] <cmn32480> I get one story at the bottom
[01:52:51] <cmn32480> did it
[01:52:40] <mrcoolbp> click 'Merge'
[01:52:37] <cmn32480> dnone
[01:52:27] <cmn32480> my wife was a little less kind about it
[01:52:20] <cmn32480> no kidding
[01:52:00] <mrcoolbp> eek
[01:51:56] <cmn32480> I'm on the road 19 days this month
[01:51:56] <mrcoolbp> select the checkbox next to each story (left of title)
[01:51:50] <mrcoolbp> okay back to merging...
[01:51:45] <mrcoolbp> nah, no prob that;s awesome
[01:51:42] <cmn32480> got a littel excited there
[01:51:42] <CoolHand> sweet! congrats man
[01:51:36] <cmn32480> sorry...
[01:51:28] <mrcoolbp> yay
[01:51:25] <cmn32480> maybe I can get my ass home for a few days
[01:51:20] <mrcoolbp> no more travely travely for cmn
[01:51:17] <cmn32480> Thank god
[01:51:14] <mrcoolbp> sweet!
[01:51:08] <cmn32480> The guy I extended an ofer too took it
[01:51:07] <mrcoolbp> ?
[01:51:01] <cmn32480> WOOHOOO!!!!!!
[01:50:59] <mrcoolbp> select the checkbox next to each story (left of title)
[01:50:48] <mrcoolbp> go to sub queue on dev
[01:50:44] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: okay I see it
[01:50:39] <CoolHand> the "Matthew Green of Johns Hopkins " link
[01:50:19] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Truecrypt report
[01:50:19] <CoolHand> this is the article with the nice TL;DR: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com it's in the AC's submission
[01:49:27] * mrcoolbp does too
[01:49:22] <mrcoolbp> submit "blah" to dev right meow
[01:49:09] <mrcoolbp> pretty sure merging gives credit to all 3, we can test on dev if ya want
[01:49:07] <cmn32480> *merge
[01:48:58] <cmn32480> that only happens if we mere them?
[01:48:49] <mrcoolbp> right
[01:48:46] <cmn32480> that does NOT show in their submitted stories, correct?
[01:48:43] <mrcoolbp> no
[01:48:34] <cmn32480> if we take story 1, and drop a line at the begninning or end, saying x, y, and z also submitted this
[01:48:27] <mrcoolbp> does *what* show in their submitted stories
[01:48:12] <mrcoolbp> didn't get specific inquiry
[01:48:04] <mrcoolbp> ask the first question again
[01:47:52] <cmn32480> or is that only if we merge them?
[01:47:43] <cmn32480> i know it is splitting hairs.. but does that show in their submitted stories list?
[01:47:38] <mrcoolbp> so wording on the credit matters
[01:47:29] <mrcoolbp> or say "X Y and Z all wrote in with a link" but then you are not giving credit to the guy/gal that wrote the tl;dr
[01:46:55] <mrcoolbp> aye, so you might credit them at the end by saying "X and Y also submitted [whatever]"
[01:46:53] <cmn32480> better to encourage continued submission, in my eyes
[01:46:01] <cmn32480> vs deleting one or two and people then see the story get run
[01:45:43] <cmn32480> if we merge all three, keep the good bits and encourages continued submission
[01:45:34] <mrcoolbp> and you can probably figure out the answer too = )
[01:45:23] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I think I know what you are going to ask...
[01:45:05] <mrcoolbp> yes that's true
[01:44:53] <cmn32480> *subbmitter
[01:44:45] <cmn32480> the deletion means the sub doesn't get credit for it.
[01:44:41] <mrcoolbp> shoot
[01:44:37] <mrcoolbp> k
[01:44:21] <cmn32480> protocol question
[01:42:33] <mrcoolbp> okay, well delete the ones you aren't going to run for sure, and we'll merge the rest (or all 3)
[01:41:58] <cmn32480> and I agree w/ your assessment of the tl:dr coolhand
[01:41:28] <cmn32480> order of submission is the most to least complete
[01:38:42] <mrcoolbp> is*
[01:38:35] <mrcoolbp> merging stories as fun
[01:37:53] <CoolHand> in the 1st sub there was three links at the end... the middle one had a nice tldr of the actual review that I thought would be nice to include..
[01:37:18] <mrcoolbp> k thanks
[01:37:15] <cmn32480> will do, sir
[01:37:14] <mrcoolbp> I was going to
[01:37:11] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah
[01:37:04] <mrcoolbp> take 5 min and decide if any/all/some are worth publishing and ping me
[01:37:02] <cmn32480> woudl this be where you teach us how to mind meld the stories?
[01:36:31] <cmn32480> I was perusing the queue to see what interested me, and noticed 3 with the same subject
[01:36:28] <mrcoolbp> well that would depend on how we handle them = )
[01:36:10] <cmn32480> i haven't read all three yet, to be completely honest.
[01:35:56] <mrcoolbp> do you want to run a story with all 3 ?
[01:35:48] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480:
[01:34:37] <cmn32480> understood
[01:34:29] <mrcoolbp> sec, finishing my unpublising
[01:34:18] <cmn32480> ok mrcoolbp, hwo do we handle the 3 subs in the queue for the TrueCrypt story?
[01:32:37] * cmn32480 is releaved
[01:32:21] * mrcoolbp is not the person to ask but I think it does
[01:32:11] <mrcoolbp> heh, still I have a lot of respect for that practice
[01:32:07] <cmn32480> does that still count?
[01:31:57] <cmn32480> I gave up beer. Switched to vodka
[01:31:44] <cmn32480> obviously I dind't make it all the way through
[01:31:26] <mrcoolbp> yeah, but you still "practice" lent I see
[01:31:02] <cmn32480> Non-Practicing Catholic
[01:30:42] <cmn32480> you know NPC, right?
[01:30:37] <cmn32480> np
[01:30:22] <mrcoolbp> yeah 3/26 sry
[01:30:14] <cmn32480> 3/26
[01:30:11] <cmn32480> That was it
[01:30:04] <i_heart_beta> ^* 03SN article: Large Hadron Collider Back to Full Power 04(21 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[01:30:04] <mrcoolbp> from 4/26 https://soylentnews.org
[01:29:59] NotSanguine is now known as NotSanguine|pingme
[01:29:41] <mrcoolbp> yeah I linked the other story above
[01:29:27] <cmn32480> I think we saw something on it last weekend?
[01:28:21] <mrcoolbp> I'm going to un-display the story and throw a note in for janrinok
[01:28:00] <mrcoolbp> cept for lent = )
[01:27:52] <cmn32480> I am NPC
[01:27:34] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: not many catholic SNers around here
[01:26:58] <cmn32480> at the beginning is usually the best place
[01:26:47] <mrcoolbp> where do I start...
[01:26:45] <cmn32480> just had my first beer in almost 6 weeks
[01:26:29] <cmn32480> wtf is wrong with this channel???
[01:26:16] <cmn32480> beer had neutral karma....
[01:26:07] <Bender> karma - beer: 1
[01:26:07] <cmn32480> beer++
[01:26:00] <mrcoolbp> thx guys
[01:26:00] <cmn32480> as a side note, I missed beer
[01:25:46] <cmn32480> checking
[01:25:37] <mrcoolbp> which is in 2.5 hrs no?
[01:25:08] <mrcoolbp> there's still time, it's set for 2015-04-03 03:05:00 UTC
[01:24:19] <NotSanguine> IT looks like a dupe
[01:23:31] <mrcoolbp> sorry, here's the FIRST link in non-edit mode: http://soylentnews.org
[01:22:59] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03SN article: Large Hadron Collider Back to Full Power 04(21 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[01:22:58] <mrcoolbp> from 4/26 https://soylentnews.org
[01:22:42] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[01:22:41] <mrcoolbp> mn32480, CoolHand, NotSanguine: is this a dupe? http://soylentnews.org
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[00:43:59] <NotSanguine> Coolhand: sorry, got disracted. I concur.
[00:17:23] <CoolHand> we're not too far apart, so not much chance of it getting ugly.. ;)
[00:16:51] <CoolHand> it's all good man
[00:10:23] <NotSanguine> Coolhand: sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a political discussion.
[00:06:41] <NotSanguine> As far as keeping government out of our private (whether that be personal or commercial) lives is a good thing, except to make sure that there is a level playing field for commercial transactions
[00:06:35] <CoolHand> yeah.. I'm not hardline on that.. I could go along to a *limited* extent... most especially in emgcy situations
[00:05:36] <NotSanguine> I'm with you except in one important respect: I believe that helping those who are less fortunate is a legitimate role for government.
[00:04:39] <CoolHand> I'm a Libertarian, but ready for any 3rd (and 4th) party to get some influence.. this 2 party system is for the birds
[00:03:54] <CoolHand> I agree wholeheartedly...
[00:01:35] <NotSanguine> I think that just having the additional voices would make a difference, even if they aren't "mainstream"
[00:01:06] <NotSanguine> Actually, that's one of the reasons I wouldn't mind having a Parliamentary system for our national government.