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[23:59:47] <CoolHand> exactly :)
[23:58:54] <NotSanguine> "You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think" eh?
[23:57:58] <CoolHand> I don't disagree with that.. Just getting people to be exposed to the new ideas with an open mind seems to be a challenge though.. at least here in redneck land
[23:57:54] <NotSanguine> IN the classical sense of conservatism, not what passes for it in the US these days
[23:57:19] <NotSanguine> Which is a fundamentally conservative principle.
[23:57:03] <mrlinkbp> ^ 03Wiki: Marketplace of ideas: The "marketplace of ideas" is a rationale for freedom of expression based on an analogy to the economic concept of a free market. The "marketplace of ideas" belief holds that the truth will emerge from the competition of ideas in free, transparent public discourse. This concept is often applied to discussions of patent law as well as freedom of the press ...
[23:57:03] <NotSanguine> http://en.wikipedia.org
[23:57:01] <NotSanguine> As imagined in the marketplace of ideas
[23:56:32] <NotSanguine> If we were all exposed to a broader range of opinions and ideas, I think we'd all be better off.
[23:55:56] <NotSanguine> I don't know. I think it's more about the echo chamber and less about people being closed-minded.
[23:55:03] <CoolHand> too many far right conservatives in US to get open debate on ideas like that
[23:53:34] <NotSanguine> no. I guess not. I think we'd see a broader range of ideas here in the US if we paid attention, though. But that's a whole other discussion
[23:52:26] <NotSanguine> But then, I guess we all have our crosses to bear. :)
[23:52:18] <CoolHand> not surprising though
[23:52:05] <NotSanguine> It makes me feel a little uncomfortable that my countrymen aren't aware of what's going on in the rest of the world.
[23:51:39] <NotSanguine> Yup. And everyone jumped on the street hookers are nasty, disease-ridden crack/meth heads bandwagon, not realizing that in Germany it's 100% legal with health care, etc., etc.
[23:50:23] <CoolHand> was that in the prostitute tester story?
[23:49:50] <NotSanguine> And no one even commented about "A Pimp Named Slickback" I was a little disappointed
[23:49:01] <CoolHand> lol, I know, right
[23:48:41] <NotSanguine> And even without that, we still got complaints about fake stories
[23:48:38] <mrcoolbp> okay BRB
[23:48:28] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: meh, he trolled me on 4/1, so good for him = )
[23:48:13] <mrcoolbp> fastforwarded
[23:48:11] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: I know. SubSentient took it on himself to do that
[23:48:07] <CoolHand> it was posted out immediately
[23:48:02] <mrcoolbp> xactly
[23:47:58] <CoolHand> I don't think we had a chance to do a 2nd sign-off on it
[23:47:54] <mrcoolbp> so no one DID sign off on it, hence it going out
[23:47:42] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: my point was that we didn't want fake stories = )
[23:47:28] <NotSanguine> Now, if it had Richard Gere in it, I would have signed off in a flash. :)
[23:47:13] <NotSanguine> I guess no one had the cojones to be the second sign off on the gerbil story.
[23:46:58] <mrcoolbp> fooding
[23:46:55] <mrcoolbp> bbl
[23:46:46] <mrcoolbp> forgiven
[23:46:42] <mrcoolbp> aye
[23:46:29] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: sorry. Couldn't help myself. :)
[23:46:10] <mrcoolbp> uhg
[23:45:57] <NotSanguine> SUBMIT NEWSTORY.COM;3 SYS$BATCH
[23:45:52] <mrcoolbp> love that gerbil story is still red....
[23:45:30] <CoolHand> lol
[23:45:27] <mrcoolbp> specially on vt100 = )
[23:45:22] * mrcoolbp breathes releif when he sees the all-green-ness
[23:45:10] <NotSanguine> Danke Schon
[23:44:56] <CoolHand> I green'ed it 4 u
[23:44:48] <NotSanguine> DOne
[23:44:32] <CoolHand> those sound good too
[23:44:05] <NotSanguine> Or "New Research Indicates Black Holes May Not Destroy Information"
[23:43:36] <NotSanguine> How about "New Research Indicates That Black Holes May Not Destroy Information"
[23:42:28] <CoolHand> cool..
[23:42:00] <NotSanguine> I'll fix it.
[23:41:55] <NotSanguine> :)
[23:41:03] <CoolHand> lol
[23:40:52] <NotSanguine> not sure what scientists have to do with black hoes, but sure. :)
[23:40:31] <CoolHand> hoes.. heh my typing tonight is amazing
[23:40:21] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: "Black Holes May Not Destroy Information"
[23:40:10] <CoolHand> i like mrcoolbp's... or if "scientist say black hoes may not..."
[23:39:52] <NotSanguine> I can take it out, NBD
[23:39:51] <mrcoolbp> what about my suggestion above
[23:39:39] <NotSanguine> That's why I put that in
[23:39:34] <NotSanguine> Gotcha. BUt it's not a fact, just a theory proposed.
[23:39:21] <CoolHand> i mean most of our titles are things people say and we don't normall put that in the title..
[23:38:51] <mrcoolbp> how about "Black Holes May Not Destroy Information" ?
[23:38:09] * mrcoolbp looks also
[23:37:55] <CoolHand> hey I was looking at taht black hole story u posted... I'm not overly cracked up about the title.. I think you could just drop the ",scientists say" part and it would be better... thoughts?
[23:37:11] <NotSanguine> coolhand: yes sir?
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[23:36:40] <CoolHand> NotSanguine: ping
[22:37:40] <NotSanguine> Then again, I am easily amused. :)
[22:37:26] <NotSanguine> no worries. you were quite amusing
[22:35:53] <mrcoolbp> hope I wasn't too raunchy
[22:35:47] <mrcoolbp> yeah, sorry bout that = )
[22:35:40] <NotSanguine> sober now?
[22:35:35] <mrcoolbp> np
[22:34:49] <NotSanguine> but thanks for asking
[22:34:40] <NotSanguine> Just need to set up my irc client properly
[22:34:32] <mrcoolbp> = /
[22:34:25] <NotSanguine> No.
[22:34:17] <mrcoolbp> having trouble?
[22:34:11] <mrcoolbp> lol
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[22:33:05] <NotSanguine> Nickserv identify joshua
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[19:28:26] <janrinok> CoolHand: I leave it in your safe hands....
[19:28:14] <janrinok> well, I've got to go
[19:27:34] <janrinok> the stories that are left are not worth much. Might be able to do something with them over the w/e but we will need a lot more yet
[19:26:21] <janrinok> I've emptied the queue in the hope that it will spur people to submit
[19:25:46] <janrinok> yep - but that is not all that unusual for a Thursday/Friday. But, it looks lean for the weekend
[19:06:29] <CoolHand> that submission queue is getting awfully low..
[18:01:01] <janrinok> and back again
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[17:37:29] <CoolHand> yeah, you *just* missed him
[17:36:49] <paulej72> g
[17:36:47] <paulej72> wanted to let him know that we thought a regular column with his puzzels would be a nice think
[17:36:01] <paulej72> crap missed bytram
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[17:19:51] <Bytram> CoolHand: enjoyed the chat! thanks again for your updating the original cypher story, and the help on the new one, too!
[17:19:06] * Bytram is exhausted. I think I'll get me a bite to eat and take a nap.
[17:18:42] <Bytram> compare an atomic operation in a processor on register data, vs garnering data from a disk in some NAS (with intervening hardware drivers, networking, and OS layers)
[17:17:05] <Bytram> s/ability/opportunity/
[17:16:00] <Bytram> I have a theory that, at some level, it's all about keeping the processing and the data 'near' each other to lessen the ability for interception
[17:14:26] <CoolHand> about the only thing we've really had to do so far is segment up our network more into more isolated vlans, but I know more is coming sooner or later
[17:13:51] <Bytram> it's that age-old tradeoff between security and usability
[17:13:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:13:20] <CoolHand> well, the conversion and the overhead mostly, as well as difficulty in recovery, difficulty in maintenance, just an extra layer to everything.
[17:13:15] * Bytram notes that is outside his realm of experience
[17:12:45] * Bytram seems to recall that there are drives that handle that automgically in hardware
[17:12:23] <Bytram> except for the transition process, and maybe some additional overhead, why the 'bleh'?
[17:11:42] <CoolHand> I keep hearing threats that we're going to have to encrypt all data on disk though.... bleh
[17:11:29] <CoolHand> yeah.. I know our security team at work has bitched about the PCI standards, but it hasn't effected my team MUCH yet..
[17:10:27] <Bytram> oof the top of my head, one approach I'd consider would be to contact the payment processing company and get *their* input on the situation
[17:10:05] <CoolHand> thats what I thought too...
[17:09:41] <Bytram> looks like a winner, to me!
[17:09:35] <Bytram> I think the story is very well written. Clearly explains the situation to those who may not be entirely up on the situation, and clearly outlines a question for the SN community.
[17:07:48] * Bytram ponders
[17:07:44] <Bytram> hmmm, interesting...
[17:05:31] * Bytram goes to take a look
[17:05:08] <CoolHand> what do u think of "Crazy credit card SAQ process for small shops " submission? someone put it was more of a rant than story, but I think it's a "Ask SN" type... I kind of like the question..
[17:04:07] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation!
[17:04:01] <Bytram> did some trial-and-error guessing as to what I could trim and what I needed to leave in
[17:03:43] <Bytram> I tried changing my comment selection filter, but it came out with a URL with a half-dozen parts that didn't look 'right'
[17:03:19] <Bytram> nice!
[17:00:48] <CoolHand> seems to work for me
[16:34:48] <Bytram> I tried something 'iffy' with a link to the original story where I tried to suppress the display of any comments; could you please verify that link works for you?
[16:34:11] <Bytram> CoolHand: okee dokee, updated!
[16:22:53] <Bytram> brb
[16:22:51] <Bytram> =)
[16:22:49] <Bytram> muchos gracias, mein herr!
[16:22:27] <CoolHand> Bytram: ok.. in queue. i left dept blank for you to fill in
[16:19:46] <Bytram> if you put the story in the queue, I'd be happy to paste them in!
[16:18:39] <CoolHand> that's what I'd do
[16:17:53] <Bytram> what are your thoughts? Maybe include them "after the break" in the Extended Copy area?
[16:17:33] <Bytram> I'm thinking I should probably have included a copy of the puzzles in my new submission
[16:17:07] <Bytram> back
[16:14:57] <CoolHand> Bytram: cool, sounds good! glad I could help
[16:11:56] <Bytram> afk biab
[16:10:01] <Bytram> FYI, I just submitted a follow-up story on it... this one inviting people to reply with their [efforts at] translation.
[16:09:17] <Bytram> thanks a bunch for updating the cypher story and adding in the extra puzzle!
[16:08:57] <Bytram> CoolHand: Hi!
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[15:51:02] <CoolHand> deleted.. :)
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[15:50:22] <janrinok> feel free to delete it
[15:48:57] <CoolHand> yes I did
[15:42:59] <janrinok> did you make that comment next to gewg_'s submission about systemd? - I agree with it!
[15:42:17] <janrinok> np
[15:42:08] <CoolHand> it's alright... I just didn't think about it "advertising" so kind of freaked myself out a bit on it when I thought of it... thanks for checking :)
[15:41:10] <janrinok> CoolHand: no, that's fine, weve covered this topic before - in our early days, I think, but it is fine. The title is good too, but if you want to change it you can.
[15:40:36] <CoolHand> "Airlander 10 Hybrid Airship Looking to Get off the Ground" rather..
[15:39:09] <janrinok> looking
[15:38:49] <CoolHand> maybe "Hybrid 10 Airship Looking to Get off the Ground" or something?
[15:37:35] <CoolHand> maybe I should change title so it doesn't sound like we're pushing people to invest?
[15:37:17] <CoolHand> janrinok: i just queued up story for airship... you don't think that'd be viewed as 'slashvertisement' do you? i don't really view it as advertisign for it, but moreso just itneresting that theres a push for airships..
[15:28:47] <janrinok> CoolHand: thanks for that - I guessed as much
[15:25:22] <CoolHand> ompletely different directions which is taking a lot of time and energy
[15:25:19] <CoolHand> n1>| thanks a lot. i will be back when things settle down but i'm in the process of expanding my business in two c
[15:24:43] <CoolHand> janrinok: n1 stopped in here yesterday and told us how he was swamped with work and stuff.. wanted us to pass on to you that he was still alive but swamped..
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[04:03:03] <NotSanguine> Hey folks. I'm working on the "Crashlands" story. I put it together, but I don't really like it. I'd appreciate some feedback and suggestions if anyone has time.
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